7/4/25 - Tom MacDonald

Tom MacDonald joins The Anchormen

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Jets
and Dan Ball.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey everybody, Happy Friday to you. It's the fourth of July.
And just for full disclosure, yeah, we recorded this the
day before because it's the fourth and world hanging out
and having a good time in celebrating our nation's independence.
And I would say a heck of a lot of
big wins over the last few months. I think we
have a lot, my friend Riley Lewis, to celebrate as

(00:37):
Americans this Fourth of July, because I would say we're
not only celebrating two hundred and forty nine years of
our independence, but I would say that this year especially,
we could celebrate our independence from insanity, from woke, radical
left wing ideology, from people not having freaking common sense.

(00:58):
I'd say We've got a lot of victories to say,
elebrate this Independence Day, how about you? Randy Lewis agreed,
feeling very good, very grateful to be an American.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
This is an incredible country and it's something I think
we'll talk about later with Tom or with our guests.
But I just wish that there were more Americans who
it's this divide. It's not just left right anymore. It's
those who love America and appreciate it those who hate
it and want to radically transform it. So I'm just
grateful to be an American. It's a special thing, and
I'm just leaning into that and this whole you, this

(01:27):
whole common sense revolution, getting back to our roots.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's really refreshing. Well, and let's be real, America is
under a tech I mean, look at the clown that
New York Democrats voted in as their primary winning candidate
to be their mayor of the biggest, safest city in America,
which it's not anymore. They used to use that phrase
back in the day when Rudy was in charge. It
was because Rudy cleaned it up. But you know, after

(01:52):
a handful of independent and then Democrat mayors, they've screwed
the pooch in that city and now they've literally not,
in my opinion, a anti American radical communist. He describes
himself as a Democrat socialist. Yes, listen to the words
coming out of his mouth. He's a communist. So when

(02:13):
I see a place like New York City putting a
guy like that, elevating a man like that to possibly
their highest office to run that city that worries the
hell out of me. But then I see win after
win on the mega agenda that President Trump's putting into place,
thanks to the millions of patriotic Americans who voted him
into office, and I go, yeah, we're winning. We still

(02:37):
got a chance. This is still America. We're going to
win this overall war. We might lose some battles. I mean,
think about all the battles we lost for four straight
years rightly under Jojo and Cacklin Kamala. It was a
lot of battles, Yes, and a lot of people thought,
oh gosh, oh goodness, we'll never get this part of
Americana back. This is going to go away forever. And

(02:57):
then we shocked the world and we got rid of
their butts and we put Trump back in. And I think,
when you look at the economy, the border, the trade deals,
the peace in the Middle East, the stuff he's been
able to accomplish in five months and it's not even
six full months yet, is it. No, Look at what
he's done. I mean, I think, and if you're a Christian,

(03:21):
you believe in God's works and God's plans. Yes, if
Donald Trump would have been declared the president in twenty
twenty winn he won. I don't think we would have
got the change that's happening today because I think the
country needed four years of a gut punch on the
woke radical ideology to make them go, oh crap, this

(03:42):
is taking America down the wrong path. Maybe we shouldn't
do this well.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
And I think because we're almost on the one year
anniversary of the assassination attempt on Trump's life, right that's
on Butler, Pennsylvania. And I've been thinking about that a
lot because I was watching that live when it happened.
I think he came one inch away from being killed,
oh that day, less than bro fractions of an inch.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, just one head. Get it down to centimeters. Yes,
look look at the It only clipped, and you see
he's barely got a scar. It clipped here, and yet
only turned to the right to look at the thing.
But then he had to tilt. If he only would
have turned, it still would have blown the back of
his head off. He turned and then he tilted, and

(04:25):
that tilt left it just nick the ear again. No,
but you have to ear and believe it or not.
You and I are I believe somebody was pushing his
head that way in this way.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
That's what I'm saying. Just think about it. It's either
a one in a billion event or it's divine intervention.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm gonna go with the ladder because I think God
knew there's work to be done.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you're not gonna go with the radical left's opinion
that Donald Trump staged at all and they paid that
kid to shoot at him and then the Trumpster turned
at the last second to avoid being killed by the
guy they paid. You know, that's a real conspiracy theory
by the left out there, right, I do.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
And I remember when they first came out and said
maybe it was a s from the prompter or something
or from that was.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
The media right off the bat, Remember that, Yeah, the
media didn't you want to give him credit? That the
man took a bullet and then stood up and said fight,
fight fight. It was where we're not great. I mean, Jesus,
you know what kills me. You were talking at the
beginning about these this portion, and I think it's a
very small portion. Just the media and social media makes

(05:22):
it appear bigger, this portion of anti American Americans, isn't
it pathetic when you meet a legal immigrant, right, a
foreigner from another nation who came here for a better life,
that loves this nation, that speaks so highly about this
nation more than like a natural born silverspoon ivy league

(05:47):
lefty right, somebody that grew up in Massachusetts or the
Hamptons and then went to Harvard and thinks that America
was never great. It's a horrible experiment gone wrong, built
on the back of slaves. This country's horrible two hundred
and forty nine years of horrid life. I'm so sick
of hearing that crap. That's why I'm excited about our

(06:08):
guest tonight, because this is who I was just speaking of,
somebody that literally immigrated here from another country, Canada, and
sounds more like an American patriot than half the whack
jobs you and I interact with every day living here
in Comifornia. Like, seriously, right, we got what's thirty nine

(06:29):
million residents in California. There are a lot of conservatives here,
but there's a whole heck of a lot of Waco liberals.
And you hear people all the time talking about this
is America is horrible now? And Trump's ruining this country,
and we're doing this that way. And then I hear
songs and I see interviews from our guest tonight or

(06:49):
he comes on our shows here on Oan and I
go that, right there proves that the American dream is
alive and well and that young people and old people
alike are still coming here and wanting to uphold our values,
our principles, our morals, our ethics, and our patriotism. And

(07:10):
that's why I'm excited to have this guy on tonight.
I know you are, because he's a musician, and that's
that's your second love.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Right absolutely, it is, and he and to bring those
two things together. That's this is what he sings about
this country. It's infotainment sort of like the way that
we do infotainment.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
You're using my word and you're using my twenty eight
year old Wait. I started using that word in nineteen
ninety three. It got me in trouble in the military
because I was a journalist the military, and I would
tell my commanders that that got you in trouble. Oh yeah,
why old school commanders of the military didn't like that.
When I was on TV and radio for the Armforce
Reo of Television Service, I would crack jokes at officers expense. There,

(07:47):
I'd make fun of certain hierarchy in the military or
or political officials, maybe like airmen, ball shut your mouth,
just broadcast, play the music, tell the story, don't add
lib don't add stuff in. And I'm like, you got
to entertain the troops while you're in form you know,
sarge or a lieutenant or captain. And they'd be like,
shut your mouth, you just throw it down. I'm like, no,
it's called infotainment. And man, I used to get my

(08:08):
handslapped all the time in the military. Really, yeah, didn't
like that in the early nineties. You didn't say that,
God forbid you try to entertain the service. Then all right, well,
our guest tonight, without further ado, let's get him on
here for the next hour and just talk about being
patriotic and the music that he's written and the dedication
he has to discussing the hard issues that are dividing

(08:31):
this nation these days. And I would say he was
one of the first, if not the first, guy to
actually break out as a rapper and start doing patriotic
American rap songs. And now there's a bunch of guys
and gals out there doing it now. But this is
somebody who was mainstream and said a big hmm to

(08:52):
use my old Sicilian, to the recording industry, to the media,
to probably to the chagrin of some of his fans
even that went what he's a conservative guy. He's rapping
about being pro American. Yeah, he is. Would you like
to since you're the you're the music guru and I'm not,
would you like to entro our guest tonight? Oh? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
A songwriter, a singer, an incredible artist, a true artist,
which is rare in these times. Mister none other than
Tom McDonald joins us. Now, Tommy, thank you there, he
is there, big Tom. Hi, you been brother?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
What's up? Guys? Thanks for having me back. Man.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
You know Tom's been appearing Is he didne your show
by the way, your talk show?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Not yet? Okay, well I'm sure tonight we'll arrange that.
But Tom's been appearing on on OYN on my talk
show for at least geez, how long, Tom, I've been
on five years this August or September.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, it's gotta be. Since it's got to be since
the record I did with John Rich. I think that
might have been the first time I came on, and
then I've come back on, you know, probably a dozen
times since then.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah. Yeah, well that's because you just keep cranking out
amazing song, songs that make you think, that make you
feel patriotic, which makes you question certain things. I mean,
you talk about so much in your music, and I'm
gonna let Riley get deeper on that because this is
our in house music guru. It away and I can't play,

(10:16):
I don't write, I can't sing, as my wife tells
me not to. Riley can do most of that. I
don't know if you're up to Tom's level, but I've
heard you play, I've heard you sing, and I know
you're working on some original works, and you know, for
a novice, you're pretty good Riley. So maybe with Tom
on here tonight, we can hook something up with some coaching. Yes,
please get into his mind about how he does this stuff.

(10:38):
So Tom, first and foremost, you heard me bragging you
up that you're a Kanuk, but I would never know
that you're a Canadian originally because I thought, I mean,
you talk to Tom, you listen to Tom, you see
his songs, you see his posts, and I go, oh,
that's an American and he probably served. Like I think,
this is a badass veteran who was born and raised
and he's got red, white and blue running through his veins.

(10:59):
And then you look and you go, oh, no, w
it's a Canadian rapper who moved here. But he's more
patriotic than some damn Americans. So Tom, give us this
background and tell us your story on how all this
Tom McDonald world came to be from the little boy
in Canada to this bad boy rapper. Uh talking about
being a patriotic American, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So yeah, it's been a pretty wild ride, man, Like that,
uh that that that little boy in Canada. Like, I mean,
I did a lot of things along the.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Way, dude, Dude, Like I was a.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Pro wrestler like WWF stuff for a while, and a
construction work and worked on oil rigs and did all
this different types of stuff, and I was wrestling full time.
And then I and sort of like while I had
been pro wrestling, I had been writing like poetry and rock.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Songs and and and.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Just writing music and wasn't really able to, you know,
do anything with it. Was unsure of like how to
even break into the music industry. Or the scene, and
so I was just doing the wrestling thing and then
ended up crushing all the cartilage in both my knees
and getting this repeatedly hurt. And you know, the more

(12:19):
injuries I got, the more time I had off, the
more energy I focused on music, and the more desire
I had to make the music thing work.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
So you know, I was out of wrestling for an
extended period of time.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I needed an outlet for my creativity, so I bought
a microphone and got a computer and started making music.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And what year was you? Now, I was so long
ago did you get into the game, Because I mean
you from me looking at your career, you like skyrocketed
in the last five six years, but you've been writing
and singing before you got controversial with political rap songs.
You were out there for a while. So go back
and tell us what year that was, and then let's
continue on, because I feel like this started a long

(13:01):
time ago. But I feel like a lot of people
in the mega movement have maybe just discovered you in
the last let's say five years.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, sure, So I know I was like sixteen or
seventeen at that point in time when I got the microphone,
so you know, we're talking like a long time ago.
So I got like way too long ago, so like

(13:30):
twenty years ago. So I started. I got the microphone
and I got the computer, and you know, I was
like a kid, man. I was like sixteen or seventeen
years old, so I had like very little life experience.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
I was like still in high school and.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Wasn't really sure what I should be making music about. Really,
I was a kid, and I didn't maybe not that
I didn't have a story of my own, but like
I I wasn't. I didn't think my own story was
very interesting at that time. So I ended up doing

(14:08):
what a lot of people do when they get into music,
and that's like emulate their favorite artists of the time,
because that's that's really that's their inspiration, and that's that's
you know, that's really what they're like. You know, I
love what this guy is doing, and I want to
be where that guy is, so I'm going to do
what he's doing, so that that you know, at the time,

(14:29):
I'm listening to like a lot of like eminem and fifty.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Cent and.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yah yeah exactly, and and Diplomats and g Unit and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
A lot of gangster rep.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
So that's what I started making as like a sixteen
seventeen year old kid, and like, you know, not only
did that music not really represent or like resonate me
or resonate with me, but it didn't really resonate with
the people that the music was reaching, probably because it
was like disingenuous and like inauthentic and didn't come from

(15:02):
the heart and didn't come.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
From the soul.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And it's like, you know, in a world that's like
so full of you know, just like manufactured, fabricated, like
fake celebrities and stuff like that, you find yourself like
repeating those same patterns because that's what you're emulating, when
really all you have to do is be honest and
be genuine and be authentic and you'll cut through all
that noise. But I was a kid, so I didn't

(15:26):
understand that at the time. So I was making making
the type of music that I was making, and it
was sort of like she listened to mainstream hip hop man,
and like there's a lot of things that get glorified
and romanticized and promoted that are suit like can have
a super negative effect on like, especially like a young

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kid's life.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So you know, like I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Hearing these guys like talking about drinking and partying and
drugs and selling drugs.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
And mose this and drugs that that's all that the
majority of it's about. Let's be real.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like pretty much just like
glorifies or encourages like poor moral standard, which is like
pretty fucked up.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But looks like we lost time there. Signal. I mean,
I know he lives very rural southern California. He never
tells where he's at. Obviously I don't either because we
both have lots of haters that might come for you.
So I know he's rural, and I know when he
first started, even tonight, he was telling me he was
having some signal issues getting in and this happens when

(16:34):
he comes on the talk shows too sometimes because he
likes being out there. And I agree, I like being
away from people, well, especially if you live in California.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Completely because everyone's packed in like sardines, so you get
out just even a little bit out of the city
and it's just quiet.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think he's way out of the city though, and
that's why we lost him. So, guys, when you see
the signal, when he's back in. Just let us know.
Do we have him yet? Is he good to go? Okay,
I think he's back. I think he's I think he's
moved location on the ranch and we've now, Yeah, there
he is. He's outside. The signal looks better, but we
can hear him. We can see him, Tom, we got you. Okay, perfect.

(17:09):
Let me try and remember here you were mid sentence
about when you were that young dumb kid idolizing stupid
gangster rappers that only rap about well, let's be real,
B words, N words, hose, drugs and booze, and so
let's take it from there. And when did that that
young dumb kid Tom McDonald decide I'm not going to
be that young dumb kid rapping that way, getting into

(17:31):
the drugs and stuff. I know you had some some
bad years too where addictions took over. So kind of
take us from there and let's spring forward.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I wish, you know, I wish that kid was smart
enough at that time to sort of make those decisions
for himself. But what ended up happening was like, not
only is it was I emulating the music that my
favorite rappers were making. I started emulating the lifestyle Uh,
my favorite rappers were conveying in their music. So I

(18:01):
started drinking really heavy and partying a lot, and in
a way, it was sort of just like strange self
fulfilling prophecy where I started like making music about this stuff,
and then I started living the songs that I was
writing and the songs that I was emulating, which you know,

(18:22):
led me down this just really really dark path. And
it essentially like culminated when I was like, I don't know,
I must have been twenty twenty one, around around twenty
or twenty one, and you know, like it was pretty
ugly man Like I when I went to sleep at night,

(18:44):
like I'd go go to bed like three or four
in the morning, I put a six pack of beer
next to my bed. I'd wake up the next day
and the first thing I'd do is just like reach
over and grab a beer, and I'd drink a couple
of beers, and I get out of bed, go eat
breakfast like whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
And then get back at it.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And you know, I was friends with a lot of
the bartenders in town and stuff, So I go to
the bar for lunch. There was a place that had
like a five dollars menu. You get a get burger
or pasta or whatever you wanted for five bucks. So
I used to go there with five bucks and I
knew the bartender, so she poured me some shots and
get me some beers.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I'd eat some food.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
By the time I'm out of lunch, I'm on the
phone with my buddies. What's going on tonight. Let's let's
let's rock. So you know, i'd go out and this cycle.
I didn't even realize that that that I thought I
was just having a really good time. I didn't like,
I didn't realize that this cycle had become like an addiction.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, where was this time? By the way, was this
up in Canada or when you'd moved down this was?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
This was in Canada.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
This was in Vancouver in British Columbia, so it's sort
of like one of the more metropolitan areas in Canada.
So that had been going on for like years and
years and years, and you know, and I'm making music, dude.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I I used to.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'd get home and I was super functioning, like I'd
go to work and do my thing, and so there
is nights i'd record.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Music when I got home from the bar or whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'd wake up the next day and pop on my
headphones and hit space bar and see what I recorded
last night, and I like literally couldn't understand anything I
was saying, like I was just totally just gone. And
then one night, man, it was pretty much like out
of a movie.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
I was.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was laying in bed and it was after the
bar and probably about three or four in the morning,
and I kicked my feet over the edge of my
bed because I was going to get up and grab
a beer or have a cigarette or something, and I
just remember like I got up and sort of leaned
over and like the whole room like moved with me,

(20:47):
and it was like it was beyond like drunk spins.
This was like some sort of like adverse reaction to
like maybe some pills I was taking combined with like
alcohol or sleep deprivation or I'm not exactly sure what
happened that night, but it scared the shit out of me.
And I remember standing up and thinking, like, what is

(21:10):
going on right now? And my heart is pounding and
I can hear my heart my ears.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Boom boom boom, boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna die, I'm
gonna have a heart attack, Like what's what's what's going on?
So I b lined for the bathroom. And I've heard
people say this before. I never really fully grasp what
they're saying. But sometimes, like when you're in the grips
of like addiction and a downward spiral or maybe in
this case, like some sort of psychosis fueled by addiction,

(21:38):
sometimes you like look at yourself in the mirror and
you have this like sort of like out of body
experience where you like literally do not you do not
recognize yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I've heard that from friends that dealt with some of
the similar stuff Tom. They said the same thing. It's
literally an out of body experience. You're looking at yourself
and you're going, that's not me, am I here right now?
Is this real? Like exact get it. I've heard that
from people that have been whether it's drugs, alcohol, sometimes
just stress, just having you know, a lot of mental stress,
and they have that out of body experience. You add

(22:10):
the addiction on top of it.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I got I got goosebumps just by you saying that.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I've told people this story many times over the past
ten years, and I've never had anybody say I've heard
that before. I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
That's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I've told them for a body say, it hasn't happened
to me, brother, But I've had friends and family literally
say the exact same phrase you said. And I'll bet
you right now, And thank you for opening up on
this podcast, because let me tell you what. Somebody watches this,
and my hope is a young person or whatever age,
but a young person that's impressiable, especially somebody trying to
get maybe into the recording or entertainment industry, that's falling
onto the same things that Tom did. Maybe this is

(22:48):
that wake up call for you folks. If you're watching,
did you hear what Tom just said? If you're having
those issues, if you know you're in the grips of
an addiction and you're having those out of body experience, like,
where the hell am I? What the hell this happens
to other people? Get help now? All right, Tom, I
don't want to capitalize on your time. Get us then,
from that distraught kid who had an out of body experience,

(23:11):
who was hooked on booze, who was living in Canada,
how do you come down to America? And become one
of the biggest badass Patriot rappers for America. That's what
I want to know. This has to be a great story.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well, you know, man, from that day on, things took
a huge.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Turn in my life. I didn't I haven't drank a beer,
you know since that day wow, or smoke or smoked
or partied or anything like that. Essentially, I had this
like massive sort of mental unraveling and.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
I called my mom that night.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I ended up laying on the floor that night, and
I had a note on my chest that I scribbled
out with my name, my parents' phone number, and their address,
because I thought I thought I was gonna and I
wanted I wanted people to know who I was.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
I want them to be able to contact my folks.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
So I just put all my information there and I
put it on my chest, and I had nine to
one to one dialed on my phone, and I was
just ready to like the second my heart stopped or something.
I was hoping I could just press that button real
quick and they'd come find me.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
So it was pretty grim. And then you know, I
lived in I lived in.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
This dark, dark hole for a couple of weeks. I
wasn't eating, I wasn't sleeping, I wasn't anything. I'd lay
in bed with my laptop on some late night show.
I'd have a phone next to my head on the pillow,
playing a podcast I needed. I could not deal with silence.
I was totally out of it. I ended up calling
my mom. She didn't answer. This is weeks after the

(24:43):
mental breakdown. I left a real scary message on her
phone that was just pretty much like, I don't know
if I'm gonna be here by the time you get
this message. But you know, so I ended up going
home living with my mom at twenty one years old,
after you know, moving out at sixteen. Back at home,
and uh wasn't talking to friends, wasn't doing anything. I

(25:05):
started exercising, I started eating super clean, I started, you know,
And there's a whole other chapter here where doctors put
me on uh cyprolex and Sarah quill and at a
van and like all of these crazy, crazy medications, and
they were all the wrong choices that made things exponentially worse.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like there's terrible, awful stories just onio. That's what they do,
just exactly. Probably you've got an addiction here, Let's give
you pills here your addiction.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
How about talk to a band aid on a bullet wound.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Go talk to your family, Go talk to a preacher. Well,
go talk to some friends and loved ones, get some counseling,
do some yoga, workout, eat right like the stuff you
were doing. But it's always let's write a script. Let's
write a scripts. We do exact.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
So the reader's digest is I end up at home,
after all the pills, after all the doctors visits, after
all these failed attempts at rehabbing myself. So I just
go back to home. I start reading, researching this stuff,
hanging out with my mom, and you know, ten months
goes by and I'm sleeping in the bedroom that I

(26:10):
grew up in as a child, which was strange. And
then my you know, at the beginning, prior to this
whole mental breakdown and stuff, I had applied for my
visa to come down to the States.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
My girlfriend was here.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
She was signed to deaf Jam and she was like,
you know, she was just my best friend at the time.
We weren't dating, and she was like, yeah, you should,
you should come out to LA and try and make
something yourself and da da da da da. So I had,
you know, forked out the seventeen twenty grand for the
visa and say, there was every penny I had I
spent on this visa, went and lived with my mom
for like nine ten months, no drinking, no smoking, no

(26:49):
talking to friends, no going out in public, nothing, barely speaking,
like just a complete hermit. And then my lawyer calls,
like ten months deep into this thing.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
And at this point I had sort.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Of started to regain a little bit of my sense
of self and started to accept that maybe I could
go out in public and go to a movie again,
or maybe I could go hang out with my friends again,
or maybe I could make music again, because I haven't
done anything for almost a year. So lawyer calls and says,
your visas approved. You can head to America whenever you want.

(27:23):
And this is like ten eleven years ago, and so
I said, well, fuck it. You know I'm not I'm
not well, but Canada is not doing anything for.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Me works Canada.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Canada has like a socialist healthcare system, and if I
wanted to talk to a therapist in Canada, my weight
to talk to a therapist in the grips of suicidal ideology, addiction,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
My weight to talk to a therapist was like nine months.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wow, And I was like, socialistic works so well, Tom anyway.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
But it's free.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It was free. Though, it's free, but you gotta wait
nine months. You might be dead, but just wait nine months.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
So the visa comes through and I'm like, Okay, I'm going,
I'm going to I'm going to the States. And man,
I had toured Europe many times. Canada never felt like
home for me. I didn't like it. I didn't have
a ton of friends. I didn't enjoy so many people.
They live in the mountains, or they live by the ocean,
or they live wherever they were born, and they say,

(28:25):
you know, it feels like home here. It just feels
like home. It just feels like home. And it never
felt like home for me. And I went on all
these tours through Europe, and I thought I was going
to find a place that felt like home. I thought
it might be London or Paris or Amsterdam or you know.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Just whatever, all these different Berlin like.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
We toured all over the place in Europe, and I
thought I was going to find a place that felt
like home and I didn't, and I ended up back
in Canada get this visa.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
My dad drives me to the airport.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I spent every penny I had getting this work visa
to come to the States, so I have nothing. I'm
literally flying into America with nothing. And my dad drives
from into the airport and we're standing outside and he
takes this wallet out of his back pocket and it
was my grandfather's wallet, and there was seven hundred bucks

(29:15):
in it. And he handed it to me and said,
you got one job when you get to America. That's
to live up to your potential. The American dream is
still alive. You just got to be willing to work
for it. And I hugged him and got on the plane.
And that was eleven years ago. Wow Wow, And came
here and came here man, And that's just like, you know,
that's why I make the music that I make.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Like I can't fucking stand it when I.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Turn on the news and I see people burning flags
and looting stores and.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Trash talking America.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Because, as somebody that came here with absolutely nothing but
a dream and work ethic, this country and the people
in this country have embraced me and allowed me to
chase and realize the dream that I've been wanting to
accomplish since I was a child. And I don't think
that there's anywhere else on the planet that that would

(30:06):
be possible. I'm getting like misty eyed even talking about it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Now, did you get me missy eyed? Over here? What
are you talking about? I got goosebumps, I got I
got glassy eyes. Now, this is see what I tell you,
This is why I thought having Tom on. And there
was several people I was looking at for a Fourth
of July show, but I thought, how about someone that
isn't American born, that isn't a military veteran, that isn't

(30:31):
a me a big mouth American patriot, But somebody that
came from another country to find that American dream found
it crushed, it is crushing it still and is still
so appreciative and will not trash talk this amazing nation.
We all know that it ain't perfect. We all know
we've got a jaded past. So what overall, go find

(30:54):
me another place that somebody with seven hundred bucks in
a dream can then become a multi recording millionaire artist
that people now go, holy crap, and we're gonna play
some of these songs because I got about five or
six that I really want to show off of Tom's
because I literally listen to his music, my buddy Aaron Lewis,

(31:14):
John Rich, these guys that write songs about being patriotic,
about being an American that really just get the juices flowing.
And Tom does that with his songs'crest. It's just incredible. Brother.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I just by the way I know you've opened up,
I just want to say, God bless you truly. I
can't imagine that was easy. It sounds like you've been
through hell and back quite honestly, So just God bless
you for that. And I think, to Dan's point, a
lot of people who grow up here just don't understand
how precious and special it is.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
They take it for granted. Yeah, and sometimes it is.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
A lot of times it's the people who've been other
places around the world, whether it's South Africa, Latin America, China,
whatever it is, they see in America what it truly is,
and people, maybe the people who grow up here are
just too close to it to recognize it.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Nation Canada it's like the third world country. Nice. It's
a nice Canadian neighbors from up north a total I
mean right right if everybody goes, oh man, you're living
in you know El Salvador, No, you're looking for Canada.
But even he got that the American dream, and it's
a place where you can't accomplish anything you want. If
you put your mind to it and you got some

(32:17):
damn good work ethic, you can get there, all right.
So ten eleven years ago, you get here and you
go for it. Did you go mainstream at first and
then broke away from record labels when you realize it
was so corrupt and full of bs? Or how did
you get to become the guy you are today? Where
let's be real, Tom, the songs you're making like and
I'm gonna throw a few of the names out. We're
gonna play some of these videos, like I said, because

(32:38):
I love and again I love so much in your catalog,
but American Flags, Heroes, God Mode, Your America, American Snowflakes
in God we Trust. These are just a handful of
titles Tom's crank out in the last three to five years,
and there's so much more in his catalog, So get
us up to date to the the America First Tom

(32:59):
McDonald music gotcha.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, you know, after coming here and being afforded the
opportunity to do what I'm doing on such a high level,
Like every day I wake up and ask myself, you know,
how can I make myself useful? How can I how
can I give back to the place that's given me
so much? And uh, the songs that I'm making and

(33:24):
have been making with my skill set, I feel like
that's the best way that I can give back is
make music that speaks for the people and give music
that and and and make music that glorifies the country
and the dream uh and the way and the way
of life here. So you know, it's it's it's really

(33:46):
bizarre that sometimes these terrible awful things happen to you,
whether it be a car accident or getting sick or
in my case, having this like big mental breakdown and
fight with addiction. It's crazy how those really terrible awful
things that can be like the dark moments of your
life end up being some of the best things that
ever happened to you.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Because the I made.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
A mess of my life, and you know, there's still
areas that I have to clean up all the time
because of this this mess I've made, But it gave
me a lot of clarity, and I was like, you
know what, Like, do I want to make music about
drugs and guns and girls and clothes and cars and
houses and delinquency. Do I want to make the same

(34:29):
type of music that the rap that I emulated that
essentially ruined my life.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
For a period of time?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Do I want to be making that same music and
having kids look at me and be like, oh, well,
I like Tom McDonald, he's cool, and like, look at
all these things that he's talking about. I'm going to
do those things and then they're going to end up
in the same situations that I ended up in from
emulating the same narrative.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
So I was like, you know what, Like, I.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Don't want to make music to tear people down.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I want to make.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Music to build people up. I want to make I
want to make music that empowers people. I want to
make I want to make music that inspires conversations and
discussions and you encourage people to stand up for themselves
and for their country and for and and you know.
So it gave me this clarity and I was like,
that's what I want to do, and that's what I

(35:18):
want to talk about, and I want to say the
things that people typically only say privately in their living
rooms with their best friends. And I was like, you
know what, Like why limit it to the living room,
Why why limit it to your friend's coach? Like, why
not just put it out on the internet. Like I've
already been through it, bro, Like I almost literally died

(35:40):
at my own hands. There's nothing that you can do
to me that's going to hurt me worse than I've
already hurt myself. So I'll take those private conversations and
I'll put them on the internet.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
What's the worst. What's the worst that can happen?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I get a million strangers that mean absolutely zero to
me saying that I'm an asshole or and they're and
they're gonna or they're going to cancel me, Like what
are you going to cancel?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Like I own the cameras, I owned the lights, I
owned the recording software. You literally can't stop me. I'm
not beholden to a record label. There's no sponsorship that's
going to drop me.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
There's no enforcement. So you never in this ten eleven
years of your rise here in the States, you never
went mainstream using the LA idiots, meaning getting the publicist,
the manager, the agent, and the record label. These four
or five things everybody's got to have and pay if
you want to make it big in the industry.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
You never did that, not a single time. Bro, And
all of those people, they will tell you, I've been
in the rooms. I've gone to the record labels and
took them and took the meetings and met with managers,
and I've done all that shit.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
And I went just out of pure curiosity.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I wanted to know what do these people have to
offer and what do I have to give them to
get to where I want to go. And after meeting
with these people, every single one of them tells you
it takes a village, Tom, It takes a village. You
can't do this on your own. It takes a village
to get to where you want to go. And I
was just like, you know what, man like, I got
nothing but fucking time. I got a second lease on life.

(37:11):
I'll put twenty I'll put twenty hours a day in.
I don't care, I'll put twenty hours a day in.
And that's what I did. I put twenty hours a
day in and I worked my butt off and then
this is this is the moment everything changed. I'm living
in Crenshaw in California, in south Central I'm living in
an old rundown shack.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
There's spray paint all over the walls. There's rats in
the house.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm opening the cupboard and there's cockroaches scurrying across our plates.
There's leaks in the ceiling and they're pouring through in
the kitchen onto the table. Like we are just in poverty,
Like we're living by literal flashlight for weeks at a
time because we can't pay the power bill. And I
got my fridge plugged into an extension cord, run out
my back window into my neighbor's garage, plugged into his

(37:57):
house so my food doesn't spoil the food that I
got from the now nine cent store, because that's all
we could fucking afford.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Like we couldn't pay rent and do groceries in a month.
It was grim.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
And one day I'm sitting in the house and I'm
listening to the radio and some big mainstream rapper comes
on the radio.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
I don't know if it's Gazy or Drake or somebody.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
In that vein, and they're singing this song it's sort
of just like, whoe is me complaining about fame, complaining
about money, talking about how difficult it is to be
in the public guy, and how difficult it.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Is to be famous, And it struck a chord with me.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I was fucking offended that I'm like sitting here in
this house, months removed from, you know, a near death experience,
coming off addiction, putting my psyche back together after this breakdown,
and I just want to be an artist, and I
just want to talk to people. And here's this guy
on the radio who's got everything and he's complaining about it,

(38:54):
and it was it struck a chord man. And I
remember standing up from that chair in the house and
I smoked cigarettes at a time at the time, and
I couldn't afford to get a new pack of cigarettes.
And I opened my pack of cigarettes and there's half
a cigarette left.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
And I was like, I used to only write when
I was smoking.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
So when I got like half of a cigarette, I'm like, well,
whatever I write right now, I better write it fucking
quat fast because I only got half a cigarette. So
I walk out onto the front porch, sit down onto
the front porch, light that cigarette and The first thing
I wrote down was Deer Rappers, and I started writing
this open letter to mainstream hip hop, criticizing the status

(39:38):
quo of the genre and sort of pointing fingers at
some of the big mainstream artists that are that are
wasting and degrading a dream that I would have been
given anything to attain. And the craziest thing is, by
the time I was done smoking that half a sig,

(40:00):
which was probably like five.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Minutes, that song had been written. And I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Remember stopping to think, what rhymes with this word? Where
is this line going, what comes after this? What's the
chorus going to be? Is there a bridge?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I didn't think about anything. It was I've had a
very on off relationship early.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
In my life with God and struggled with my faith,
especially during the years when I was drinking and being
a total loser, and up until that point still a
little skeptical and still was kind of having in an
on off relationship.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
And that moment when I wrote that song.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Was literally like God reached down and spoke through me
with that song. He was like looking down on me
and saw everything that I'd been through and was just like,
you know what.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Kid, this is your this is your time go.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And I don't remember writing a single word. That entire
song poured out of me. I run into the house.
Nova's on her computer. I opened the door to her
studio and I'm like, Nova, I just wrote the song
that's going to change our life. Grab the camera. We
need to shoot this music video. And she's like and
she was like, well, you haven't even recorded it yet.
I was like, I'm I was like, I'm going to

(41:22):
record it while you.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Set up the camera.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
So, while Nova's setting up the camera, pulling down the backdrop.
We got one twenty dollars light from Amazon with a
piece of red plastic over it. She sets that up.
I record the song, step in front of the backdrop.
Shot this video in like thirty minutes. Called my mom,
called my sister, called my best friend, called a couple

(41:45):
other homies. I borrowed two hundred dollars from everyone. I
had eleven hundred and fifty dollars to my name because
I had no money. I told these people, if you
let me two hundred dollars, I just wrote the song
that's going to change my life. I need to put
an ad on it on Facebook so I can reach
some people, Wow.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, it's amazed cash and yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
And after making music for the length of time that
I'd made music, and my parents hearing this exact thing
from me many times before, and then witnessing me go
through addiction and stuff, they're probably thinking, what is he
going to go buy beer or something like, what is
this and against their better judgment, lent me the two
hundred bucks. So I ended up with eleven hundred bucks.
The next morning, I put that video on Facebook. I

(42:28):
put that eleven hundred bucks on the Boost, put the
video on YouTube the same day, and the next day
I woke up and it had over a million views
in our entire life.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Check you viral and now he Oh, he's viral everything
he puts out. He has millions of subscribers on his
YouTube page, millions of followers on social media. Every time
he independently puts out a new song, millions of people
share it, download it, and spread it. And he doesn't
have to use anybody in the recording industry. This is
another reason, besides the music, which we got to get

(42:58):
to for a lount of time. I want to play
some of these I have to.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I have to ask, though, Tom, were you surprised by
that that it just blew up that quickly.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
When I was sitting on that front porch, man like
I said, it was literally like God like looked down
and like spoke through me that day. And when I
got up off that front porch, I knew, I knew
it was the one.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
That happened to me.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, I sent an email on my I have an
email on my computer right now from twenty sixteen. I
sent the song to my best friend when I recorded it.
In the subject line of the email, just said, this
song will change my life.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
And I sent you like I.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Just I just knew it was like the first time,
like and that was when my faith was restored.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
After how many top ten hits have you had on iTunes,
Apple Music, whatever the downloads, because I know you've been
in the top ten so many times I probably can't
even count how many In the last.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Five years, I got about sixty number ones on.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Billboard sixty did you say sixty?

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah? Six zero sixty.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Zero in nine years from a guy who ten years
ago almost died, didn't know what he was doing in life.
How about that? The American Dream is alive and Tom
McDonald is one of the prime examples. And by the way,
you don't need the woke entertainment industry to get there
in this day and age. You can do it by yourself.

(44:21):
Obviously he had his girlfriend and help behind the scenes,
But I'm just saying, you don't need that machine, that
evil machine out in La or New York that tells
you if you're trying to get on Broadway or on
the little screen, the big screen, or record to be
an artist, whatever it may be, they always tell you
gotta sell out, you gotta have us. No you don't.
You don't need them. They're evil. They want you to

(44:43):
What's the one in Aaron's Country Boy right that he
had a couple of old timers sing with him talking about,
you know, you gotta get rid of that wife, get
rid of them friends, you gotta lose a few pounds,
you gotta do what you gotta do if you want
to make it big. No you don't.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Well that's what I imagine, tom As that you go
to them, all these you know, big wigs, and they
tell you it takes a village. They try to sell
you on this ultimately because they want to control you
and your visionally, So to think how liberating. Must it
have been for you to think you're doing this on
your own, on your own two feet?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
God willing? That's what was the next big hit after
that one? And then I'm going to play some of
these hits that I love. What was the next big
one after your little your little note to the Rappers?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well, I did Deer Rappers. And then sort of the
narrative was because I was criticizing the status quo of
hip hop like a lot of people, like I wasn't
even really hip to like the woke shit at the time.
I was just doing my thing and it just was
what it was, and you know, I just wasn't really
thinking about it. And then like a whole bunch of

(45:47):
people after that video blew up were saying, like, oh,
this guy's a racist because he's attacked he's attacking black rappers,
and like, my whole thing was like I wasn't attacking rappers.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Of any particular color.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I was attacking rappers of a particular content, yea, And
if that makes me like a racist, then I mean,
I guess it is what it is. So my follow up,
so I had this call in response with the audience
where I released Dear rappers and they're like, you're a racist,
and I'm like, okay, here's white boy. And they're like, oh,
this guy's like doing all of this, this guy's doing

(46:21):
all of this terrible stuff and he's not allowed to
say it. And I'm like, okay, here's politically INCORRECTEP. And
then you know, they're like, this guy's corny and I'm like, okay,
here's a song called I'm Corny. So it was this
big conversation in real time which was like me versus
the Internet, and that went on for it's still going
on today.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Hey, yeah, when did that? So when did that happen?
We're back nine years now, we're up let's say eight
or seven. Trump comes on the scene in fifteen sixteen.
When did Tom McDonald go from being the Hey, I'm
the anti establishment rapper and I'm ripping on the industry
and the crap they're singing about, and I'm just as good.

(46:59):
I don't have to say the crap they say to
Now I'm doing songs again, and let's play one like
American Flags, like Heroes, like god Mode, like Your America,
like Snowflakes. Where you were now getting politically charged in
your music. What year did that happen? And then I'm
playing one of these dang.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
It, sure, I mean I guess it was around like.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Really from the jump, like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I
felt like there was this growing movement in America that
felt like.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
The America First Movement.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Right, well, first, you know what I'm actually talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
There was this growing movement in America that was very
anti American, oh right, which.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Is why the America First Movement really spawned. Because we
were seeing these crazy radical lefties, liberals, woke people, as
you call them in your music, being woke, being anti American,
being anti family, anti Christian, anti everything that made this
country great. They seem to forget.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
And I had relatively recently just become successful from my music,
and at the same time, I'm noticing that there's all
of these people that are just like totally shitting on
America and everything that America stands for. And as somebody
that has only in the position that he was in
at the time because of America and because of the people,

(48:21):
and because of the opportunity and because of the American dream,
I was just like, hold the fuck up, Like, what
is this like whole thing over here like these people,
you know, like trying to tear America down and burning flags,
and like.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Okay, you were political at all, and you wouldn't even
I remember talking to you when you first came on
years ago. You weren't even and didn't consider yourself a
conservative or political whatsoever. Correct, you didn't really cater to
a party left or right. And in you're Canadians, so
I mean Canadians usually, let's be real, you guys aren't
as strong voiced up there about being diehard left or

(48:55):
right like in America.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
And so I honestly think I I maintained like a
really it's weird man, because I'm just like a lot
of the things that I'm saying, a lot of the
things that I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
To me, it's just this is just like common sense.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
This is just regular, This is just regular thought type stuff, right,
and it just and it just so happens that the
conservative side of the spectrum or the Republican side of
the aisle, uh, they aligned with just like regular common sense.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
So you know, so I sort of like.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Fell into that lane a little bit, not really because
I was subscribing to anybody else's belief system, but just
because the belief system that they had established all of
a sudden seemed like it really aligned with my own,
and that that.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Shit crazy that you couldn't help but go, wait a minute,
this side, because you say it a bunch of your songs,
You're like, I, I didn't even know what the WOKELFT was.
And then I looked and you know, you're you're rapping
about it, going, hey, I wasn't even conservative, I wasn't
any of this, But then this side is so crazy
that you pushed me over this way.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, it's like I just want to push myself away
from that, and then I just ended up, you know,
over here.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
And then when when Homeboy there got up on top
of the storage container and shot Trump, that's when I
was just like, yo, fuck these people, that's my guy,
like less ride.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, and then you missed and that was a badass
on that one hit hard?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yea, you missed.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
All right, Let's play one of these quick American flags?
Which one you like? That one? Okay, Well, it's the
fourth of July. Let's start with American flags and we'll
get down the lister and see what we can play.
A few more we'll do maybe I don't know thirty
seconds a minute of each of these. I just want
folks that don't know Tom's music to hear a little bit,
to see a little bit who this Canadian turn American
patriot is, because I want him and his story to

(50:39):
not only resonate with millions of patriotic Americans, but maybe
some of the folks out there that are on the
fence about being vocal about being a patriot, or immigrants
who've come here about being vocal about their love of
this nation. Look what this country did for this guy,
it can happen to you too. Just be a patriot
and believe in the American dream. All right, roll American flags, guys.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
My people love this country. And I say cancels for speaking.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
If you.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And every time we pull up a.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
Man, raak inside, I'm mad, raak inside, I'm mad inside.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
And every time we pull up are you, I'm madreaking.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
I ain't never gonna pretend that I give a damn
anybody who's a fan that can get it we throwing hands.
Anybody not trying to make America great a gang, You'll
paint you a clown. I don't know where I'm saying.
I'm a white boy with the middle.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Fingers in the air.

Speaker 9 (51:36):
Dog.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
We don't give a buck. I'm no white boy's gonna.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Hold me down anywhere.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Dog.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
He thinks that you saw my patriots, the crazy he
is staying afraid of break and fish and faces. If
you really want to taste the discal safety tiff the
same mistik and is pray to clip.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I pray you miss us.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
If you don't, they gonna go wago. I don't matter
gun smoke, black tobacco. Never hit a lady, but it's
pretty hard to tell if you're a girl, right they damn,
there's these dagoes.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I ain't never gonna take a knee.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
For the anthem. Smack them.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I don't give a damn.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
Can't stand some gang for the randoms fan with a
hands on one up but your mansion leave it on
the band. And I was raised to be brave to
the brave United States. We love the country that they've
been corrupting. Go woking, go broker if you ain't await My.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
People love this country.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
And let's say they ban us, they cancel.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
Us for speaking of if you man enough saying with.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Us the USA, and every time we pull up, are
you gonna.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
See a man rekia Aki. Oh yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Hard? Or what now again? Look at the images, listen
to the writing, by the way, the talent you got
that time. We all know you can wrap. But just
really think about that, right. Not a native born, not
a veteran, a guy who moved here, loves what America
did for him, rapping and not using any in words,

(52:57):
B words, talking about slinging drugs, talking about and hoes. No,
how about love of country and yeah, throw a little
shade on the woke censorship mafia that's out in this
country these days. But great one there, Let's do another one.
How about that? In the last ten minutes we got
with Tom, you pick what's the next one? I know,
we've got a list. You what do you want to hear? Oh?
I kind of want to go with In God we trust. Okay,

(53:18):
let's do that one, and then we'll have Tom pick
out the out of the list we've got. Let's do
in God we trust. Next, guys in the back.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
They separate us from our neighbors, and they call it
social distancing. It's actually a bigger plan. It's called social conditioning.
They took away our privacy. There's always someone listening the elections,
planning riots for the citizens. The government has always lied
its history, repeating. But the problem is the schools come
you down so you believe them if you.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Try to speak the truth inside of tweet.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
And they deleted whole administration Satanists who claim they praised
in Jesus. Every year there's a new name for enemies
that were facing its cada than Isis and New American
patriots who would have thought those who love the Conji
the most would be hated on by folks who.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Call them Averica Home.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
Both political parties are equally just as evil. They've been
working for themselves. Don't give a damn about the people. Black, white, yellow, brown.
Humanity needs you. Because united, we stand divided, they will
defeat you.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
The man on the news says.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
The problem miss me.

Speaker 10 (54:12):
I'm just a small town boy with big American dreams.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
The world's all ain't graze.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
The lions of us don't know hud good and.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Godlyos y'all missing what was written in them pages That
was history they wrote.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Now you want to change it? You racist? You hate this?

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Why you want us all to be locked up in cages?
I can't stand the left. Everything they say is depressing.
Ship them to the Middle East. They conern oppression. Believe me,
I mean this quite literal. I love liberty, but I
liberals wear a mask, stay home, complain and moan. Talk
about privilege on your phone and your range robe, Starbucks, man,
go food, food, whatever the cloth imb cut from can

(55:00):
handle any weather you just pay for in the rain,
we ain't the same.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Stand for the flag only nil.

Speaker 8 (55:05):
When I pray, yes, I just pray we go back
to the old days, Land.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Of the free, home of the prey.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
The man on the.

Speaker 9 (55:12):
News says, the problem miss me.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
I'm just a small town boy with big American dreams.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Love that one, all right, it's Tom's choice. Now, let
me tell you a couple of ones I picked, and
then you pick which one. So American flags and God
we trust. I know that we have five more cueued up,
but we're gonna run at a time. We have America,
we have heroes, we have God, mode your America and snowflakes. Tom,
which one do you early want to show to our
audience here at OWAYN.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I mean, just in the spirit of fourth of July, like,
let's do your America.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Okay, guys, this is your America by Tom McDonald roll it.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
They're screaming that they hate America and where the reci
if you don't feel safe to stop defunding the policemen.
You're calling us extremists because their words have hurt your feelings,
and we're sorry. We can't hear you over the sound
of our freedom. Been filling up our classrooms or drag
queens for kids. We think it's not appropriate. You tell
us that it is the complexities of gender and children
won't ever mix when they're school shootings by women. Those

(56:09):
pronouns are him his. I'm not Republicans, but keeping it
a hundred, they make it sense. The most destructive ideologies
are coming from the left. I think black lives matter,
they think white lives matter less and LGBTHU turned into
WTF Dear Democrats. I don't have nothing against the liberal
but the people representing you are communists and criminals. They've
been starting World War III, we ship and missiles. Still

(56:31):
they don't want to meh with co great. They want
it miserable.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
You can try to burn down the city, scream at
the top of your lungs, tagger dizzy.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
You can cancel everything and everybody in it, but.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
It's not your mayor.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
You can earn the flag and aggressive.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
You can wear a mask and pretend you're progressive.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
I got my first Amendment, don't forget I got the second.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's not your Mary God words I've never heard in life.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Kids go to school to learn, never make it back home.
They get murdered, Like who's concerned?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Not the left or the right.

Speaker 8 (57:04):
Hope you ready for the fight coming to your front
door to night. The former president got arrested, the current
one lost, but I guess he got elected. Kids get molested,
pedophiles all get protected. And you could kill a baby
anytime if you pregnant. People so weak feel free to
take a knee, and you.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Can't even speak.

Speaker 8 (57:23):
God forbid you disagree. I don't even know what virtual
signaling means. Young Men used to fight wars. Now they
make memes divide us up.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
I'm pretty sure that's the plan.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Got a gun in my.

Speaker 8 (57:34):
Hand for when shit hits the fan and hid the
woman of the Year is a man. I'm pretty sure
I never really understand.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
You can try to burn down the city stream at the.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Top of your lungs, Toga dizzy. You can cancel everything
and everybody.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Wow. Men used to fight wars. Now they make mes memes.
Tom Wow, the right line, the writing yeah again, Wow,
I go back to does that sound like any of
the mainstream rap you hear today or you've heard for them?
And I grew up obviously I'm fifty one, so I'm
older than both you guys. I remember when gangster rap started.

(58:12):
Okay Nwa. I listened to him back when I was
a teenager. Sh you know, your parents like we had
to hide and get our cassette of Nwa and play it.
Oh my god, you know what's with attitude? I mean?
And back then it was rapping about you know, cops
and drugs and hoes and whatever. Not much has changed
in twenty thirty years, but Tom is changed in the game.

(58:32):
This stuff makes you think, it does the irony. It's
not just mindless crap. I think the.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
First album I ever heard rap was The eminem Show.
And looking back on it, until I collapse and stuff
without me, And it's like you can tell these keys
trying to land punches and go hard and paint, but
it just feels a little.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Didn't you give Slim a little shady In one of
the songs. What was the one where you gave him
a little shade you through shade on side.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
I've done it a bunch of times, did.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Because we had one dedicated to him in the albums.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I swear yeah, well yeah, like to me, like it's
weird because because like my first rap album I ever
heard was like Tupac All Eyes on Me, Yeah and yeah,
and like I only bought it. My dad gave me
five bucks. We were in a pawn shop. You give
me five bucks. You said you could buy anything you
want in here. There's this box full of CDs. So

(59:22):
I was flipping through them. There five bucks, apiece, I
found Tupac All Eyes on Me. It was a two
CD set, and I was just thinking economically. I was like, oh,
I got two CDs for five bucks. I'll take this.
So I listened to Tupac for on repeat for years,
and I loved it.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
I fell in love with hip hop.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
But like there's a disconnect between like a little white
kid that lives in the suburbs and like this black
gangster rapper that's, you know, thirty five years old.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
So there was like a disconnect there.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
And then eminem came out and I was like, hold up,
he looks like he got blonde hair like me, got
blue eyes like me. He looks like me, and he's
doing that, so maybe I could do that. So Eminem
was what first inspired me to like start rapping.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
It's really unfortunate, like what's happened.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
To him, Yes, incredible, he has become.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, incredible, incredible musician, mega disgustingly talented, perhaps
like probably the greatest rapper of all time, but politically
like him and I like we definitely don't see eye
to eye seeing him stand up on stage with Kamala,
like like as somebody that like fought the system, who's

(01:00:36):
become the system?

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Now that shit rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
And then to me, like the NFT and the crypto
craze happened a few years ago, and Eminem did this,
like this NFT release, and if you got the Eminem NFT,
there's only one of them. You got like a pair
of shoes and an autographed album and like all this shit,
and but along with those things, you got a beat

(01:01:00):
produced by Eminem.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
And I was like and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna do it, and
I'm gonna wrap on that beat. So I got into
the auction and I'm in a bit I'm in a
bidding war with all of these people, and at the
end of the day, I won. I spent one hundred
racks on that thing, and yeah, so one hundred grand,
but I got a beat made by Eminem.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
And then I wrote this song, Dear Slim, that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Was like sort yeah, and it was like and it
was like sort of mocking, like who he used to
be when I was like a fan. And the song
was made in the style of the Eminem that I
enjoyed when I was a kid, and and you know,
and then I put that out, and you know, I've
taken several digs at him over the years, and like,

(01:01:47):
to me, it's just, you know, I have all the
respect in the world for the musician. Unfortunately, like I
don't have that same respect for the man and I
don't know him personally, so it's difficult to say that.
But from what I see as a spectator, I can't
I can't get down with that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah, well, just how about the messaging I think on
his so your song and God we trust, amazing message,
uplifting for people, really transformative. I think his last record
had three songs. One was just Satan, the other was Judas,
another was evil. This is really sad because I used
to look up to Eminem and I still do it in
a lot of ways musically, but just in terms of
the messaging alone, that really rubs me the wrong way personally.

(01:02:29):
I think that's a negative for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, Tom, as we get ready to wrap things up,
it's been a little over an hour. We will give
you the final word here. No no, no, no, no, no.
I just they're in my ear going, Okay, guys, it's
an hour. I'm like, I know, but we have more
songs and Tom has more story to We need another hour, man. Yeah,
I told you they need to. Let's do two hours
on these podcasts. You need to have him on your
talk show, do an extended interview on the talk show,
and we can get more tunes in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
We'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I would love to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
We'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Tom. Let's wrap things up this way. One. I want
you to tell folks how to find your music. Because
he's independent and he does all this him his girlfriend.
I think his sisters fam like these guys produce and
put everything out. They have no team. The team is
family and Tom and so tell us what we can
find everything. Number one and then number two. I want
Tom McDonald, the Canadian turned American patriot rapper, to give

(01:03:17):
that Fourth of July message to people on why in
the hell at two hundred and forty nine years this
year and especially next year and we celebrate a big one,
we should all be celebrating being American. So first, where
do we find the tunes? Brother? Fill us in?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, man, So I'm on YouTube to search Tom McDonald, Spotify,
Tom McDonald, Apple Music, iTunes, all that stuff, thomc donald, Instagram,
Hangover Gang. I think you can search Tom McDonald on
there and it pops right up. X. I am Tom McDonald,
So you know, just search my name. I don't have
like some crazy rap name with numbers and explanation marks,

(01:03:54):
and it's just my real name. It's just Tom McDonald.
You can search me on any platform and you'll find
me there. And like, you know, as far as the
Fourth of July goes, there's gonna be a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I think when you grow up in America, your conditions
to a certain extent to just say America is the
greatest country in the world, and you might not really
have any reference point or any proof or any experience
outside of America that allows you to, you know, actually

(01:04:32):
say that with context. And there's nothing wrong with that.
If you live here, you should love here, and you
should think it's the greatest country in the world. That's
as part of you know, you don't you get a
bedroom in your parents' house, you keep it clean?

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
You don't. You don't. You don't want to. You don't
want to dirty your room up and and and and make.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
It a pig style like these you know, the woke
mob is doing to our cities and our neighborhoods and
stuff like that. But I'm not just somebody that grew
up here and was conditioned to say America is the
greatest country on earth. I'm somebody that came here eleven
years ago, and I had real life experience elsewhere, and

(01:05:15):
not only in Canada, but traveling through Europe twice and
spent months overseas, And as somebody that came from elsewhere
and has a lot of experience elsewhere and has seen
a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
And experienced a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
If you don't believe the people that have been conditioned
to tell you this is the greatest country on Earth.
You can believe me when I say as an outsider,
as a guest, and as somebody that's going to spend
the rest of his life here, raise his family here,
and continue to do everything that I can to make
this a better place than it was when I got here.

(01:05:52):
This is the greatest country on Earth. There's nothing else
even close. As a addict, alcoholic person that's had very
acute mental.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Problems over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
For someone like me to be able to come here
and chase down this dream and realize it and be
embraced by this place, the way that I have is
just you know, it's the old saying.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
If I can do it, anybody can do it. I
think a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Picture the American dream is some disheveled family floating up
to the shores of America on some wooden raft that
they built somewhere in a you know, a third world nation.
It's not always that's not always it. Sometimes the American
dream is coming to America hot off of addiction, with

(01:06:44):
mental health issues and seven hundred dollars in your wallet
and not being afraid of hard work, and the American
dream is alive and well. As somebody that's experienced life elsewhere.
I can tell you I was not taught to say it.
I was not told to say it. It's not something
that I adopted from my parents, for my teachers or

(01:07:05):
somebody on the news. This is real life experience. This
is the greatest country on earth. Treat this country as such.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Tom before Bill, Tom McDonald, rapper, patriot American. That's what
I'm gonna call him. And I think a great way
to end and say thank you to Tom, who's a
hero of mine in the music industry, is let's go
out on his song Heroes, where he pays tribute to
the heroes of America, cops, firefighters, military first responders, because

(01:07:33):
we wouldn't have this nation two hundred and forty nine
years running if you didn't have patriotic heroes who put
uniforms on and kept your neighborhoods, your communities, your states,
and this nation free. So Tom will sign off with
you and we're going to roll Heroes. God bless you, brother.
Have a wonderful Fourth of July, and thank you for
sharing your story. Man. We love you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Happy fourth guys. God bless yeah, God bless you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Wow. Riley any final parting words before we roll heroes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I just want to say thank you for everything, and
I'm just that was that was really incredible, very inspiring.
And it's nice to get some perspective because I was
born and raised here and m hm, I do truly
feel this is the greatest country on earth. But it's
nice to hear it from someone who's been elsewhere because
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
So this is why I picked Tom. I told you
I brought well. We could have got a four star general,
we could have got a Navy seal totally, you know,
Medal of Honor recipient or something. But I thought, how
about somebody who understands and the whole thing of us
getting independence from that King Len forty nine years ago,
and to keep from socialism and commuism creeping in, you
need people that are either born or come here that

(01:08:38):
realize it is the best nation. It is an experiment,
and if we don't have brave patriots willing to keep
fighting for it, we could lose this experiment.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So well, and that's the thing is if we're not
willing to fight for it, we can and we'll lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
And this country we're fighting with our microphones. He's fighting
with his microphone fit in a different way. Amen. Yep,
God bless you Tom, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. We
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(01:09:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
And we don't have a guest yet picked out for
next week's episode. So if you have ideas, we want
to hear it, so please again let us know. And
if you have questions, comments, whatever, just let us know.
We totally this is a community. We're all in this together. Yes,
as American, so please let us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Know, and we leave you with Tom McDonald's heroes. Folks
have a wonderful Fourth of July holiday weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
There's too many songs about diamond teeth and gold chains,
too many rappers who still glorified gangs, any rhymes about
codeine and women we'd like to bang.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
I just wanted to make a song to say thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Thank you to the cops who really trying to make
the world a better place, risking their lives to keep
a man they never even met safe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
They ain't trying to kill your.

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
Kids or lock their father away. They got families who
need food on their plates.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
And thank you to the firefighters.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
Whenever I hear sirens, I pray it takes a special
kind of man to run toward all the flames.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
When we see smoking, we need help.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
The fire can't be contained.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
They're running in while everybody runs away.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
And thank you to the soldiers fighting forest, flying way overseas.
They never met you, but I love you because you're
dying for me. I'm enjoying my freedom, and I know
freedom ain't free. When the anthem plays, I don't take
a knee