Episode 107: Liquid Alienware's Kurev Talks BLGS America's Win + BLGS breakdown with Jhawk & Donny

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone, Welcome back to another edition of the
Apex the Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, we have an awesome
interview with Karev from Liquid alien Ware. I always figure
you got to add the Alienware at the end of that,
but they have just won the BLGs for the Americas.
We have Karev on for the first time. We've wanted

(00:35):
Liquid on for a while. There's a language barrier, but
with Karev there is not, so we were able to
speak to Karev. It was a great time with him.
We'll get to that in a second. Also, Enoch is
a part of the interview there. But for the first section,
we gotta talk BLGs. We gotta talk finals. We gotta
talk what happened and went down in the finals for
the Americas. And we're gonna kick it off here with

(00:56):
Jayhawk and Donnie both are here with me right now. Boys.
How are we feeling? How are we doing? We still
got about a month before Champs, so there's gonna be
some lulls, some downtimes. But how'd you guys feel about
BLGs overall? Kick it off with you, j.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think it was a w I mean the fact
that they had moved Champs back so far. Like literally,
I saw so many people during the kind of run
of it having these different complaints this and that, and
it's like, well, you could just be sitting here playing
rank the whole time. So the fact that we actually
had a tournament running, I think is really cool from
the people at EA to put up four hundred thousand

(01:33):
dollars just to have something because there was going to
be nothing, and in previous years we've had nothing, So
I think BLGs was a really big win. I also
like the fact that it was open bracket, so so
many people got to compete for the first time, like Jumba.
I mean, me and Donnie were coaching that team for
the last weekend and we're stressed out of our minds
just trying to keep them on the right track. So

(01:53):
I'm sure a lot of other friends had that opportunity
to play, and yeah, I think it was a fun time.
So I liked that they did it. I also liked
that they experimented with you know, some of the other
maps actually got to see a lot more competitive play
on those, So I think BLGs was an absolutely massive dub.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Donnie, you feel the same.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I think that, like Jay was kind of mentioning, No,
it's it's great to have something to break up the
loll that we've had in the past of not having
competitive play for so long. And I think, again, it's
obviously great when we kind of have, you know, the
feel of ALGs. I obviously everybody loves the ALGs competition as
it is, but I think the nice thing about having

(02:34):
the BLGs is that it was kind of a little
bit different, so it didn't necessarily feel like a carbon
copy of the same thing that we already see with
the pros, and it kind of just connected a little
bit more with the community. I mean, even the way
they were broadcasting the finals, just you know, with a
different arc they had up on the broadcast and just
kind of the way they were broadcasting the games. It
was kind of a nice difference and contrast a little

(02:56):
bit from the LGS, which I thought was an interesting
way to go about it. So I definitely think it
was a ten out of ten huge job too.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it was. It reminded me of like kind of
like a Savannah Bananas situation, which, if you're not familiar
the Minor League baseball, they have the team the Savannah bananas,
and they will do fun stuff, and they will go
out there and they'll dance on the mound and then
throw a strike. They do weird stuff all the time.
And what it does is for minor league. If you're

(03:24):
going to a minor league baseball game, you're not really
there to watch the game, you know what I'm saying.
You're not there to enjoy like a professional baseball environment.
It's more you're just trying to take somebody out have
some fun. That's kind of what the bl just felt like. Now,
there was a lot of money on the line, so
for the players it felt the exact same. Probably they

(03:44):
still have that same competitive spirit. But for us, like
you guys mentioned the art, all that other kind of stuff,
all the graphics, I felt like it fit perfectly with
the vibe we were trying to go for. And a
lot of people forget the entire vibe is based around
Wig and Greek and what they built with the b Stream.
So I think everything meshed together really well, and we
had ourselves a very good little filler in between before

(04:09):
we get to Champs, which is in Japan in just
a few weeks. So let's get to the actual force.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I want I wanted to mention too, like so many
people have complained about a lack of third party tournaments
and all this kind of stuff that's happening in the
apex scene. So and and we don't do this often,
but I really do think they need to give a
lot of credit to the people at EA who made
this happen, Like shaheen. I know you guys had them
on a couple episodes ago who were like, actually made
this happen because you know, they did not have to

(04:36):
do this. They they already put a bunch of money
into the ALGs and now they come up with the
BLGs just to like give the community something to watch,
the pro players something to play, and they put up
four hundred grand for it, Like that's that's a pretty
big investment in terms of like all that they have
to pay, all the talent that showed up for the
finals day, for that broadcast, the observers, the people who

(04:57):
are running the lobbies, Like there's all lot of investment
that they didn't have to do, and they did because
they recognized like, yeah, there isn't a lot of third
party tournaments, so we're gonna put one on ourselves. So
shout out all the people that made that happen.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So with all of that said, let's get into what
actually went down here. Let's start off with the winning team,
which was Team Liquid. They come away with the victory.
A lot of the stuff that's going to come from
corev kind of goes into how they formulated the team.
But you guys have been watching for a while, you
kind of know how everything went down. Donnie'll start with
you from your perspective watching Team Liquid and how they

(05:31):
were able to come away with this win. Where did
you picture them amongst all the other teams as the
tournament was going on. Did you see this coming or
was it more like kind of out of left field?
They kind of snagged it at the end.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well, I think if we go back to kind of
the beginning parts of like the BLGs after split tooth Land,
it happened. You know, they're getting ready to get into
BLGs and kind of this middle part of the competitives
or the last kind of third before chance, they didn't
necessarily look the greatest.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
They the new meta came out with.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
The Newcastle Gibbe the support meta, and you know, adding
Karev into the team with Yannia leaving it just didn't
necessarily seem to really fit them very well to start with.
I know, I believe Karev was igling to start with
when he came over. And then they made some changes.
I believe it was after the first BLGs because I
believe they got like third rounded in that first one.

(06:27):
They didn't even like make it to even that Sunday.
I believe I remember that correctly. They really they started
making some changes with how they played. They changed with
the IGL. I know new Ziel started taking over. I
think Aguais ended up being the IGL here for finals,
but you could definitely tell it shifted after that first
BLGs and they I would say that if you asked me,

(06:48):
did I expect it after the first BLGs?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Not a chance.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I think after the way they've played recently, I
think you'd be dumb not to consider them a favorite,
And I think they're gonna be a Favorite're gonna be
looking at forms as well, because they have looked really
good at Scrims, which you can say whatever about scrims,
but I think, if anything, any take away from scrims
is how teams form habits and kind of the ways
that they're playing. And I think they've developed some really

(07:13):
good chemistry, some really good habits and scrims, and I
think you've seen that over the last couple BLGs qualifiers
and in finals that they're just a completely new team
and they're definitely a force to be reckoned with moving forward.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And Jay, there was a weird chift with this team
where Karev is playing Igl steps down from the role.
They kind of bounce around a little bit with it.
We saw this with TSM not that long ago, where
they kind of had a similar situation go down and
then they finally settle on who's going to be making
the calls. It's just kind of an interesting dynamic to

(07:49):
watch players switch these roles around like this but then
still manage to have these results. And maybe it's just
because I'm from the outside looking in, but from your perspective,
how is that even possible?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't think it's surprising because I think with the
old iteration of this roster with Yanya, it felt like
people almost sort of like ignored haguarasen Nya Zuol because
of how big of a star Yanya was, Like he
it felt like everybody knew about Yanya and gave him
so much credit, and maybe it's partially because like he

(08:25):
spoke a lot more English on his streams, and he
was the one doing interviews for the team, and he
was like the star fragger who was also given the
IGL role, even though technically their team didn't really truly
ever play in a way that they needed like one
true IGL. So I think that like people didn't really
realize how good the other two were. And also, I
mean this is something that I harped on a lot

(08:45):
back in the day when Yanya was on the team,
so many people would take any opportunity that when they
saw that team struggle, they immediately were like, yeah, they're
probably done for I remember that happened to like I
think split one of this year, where it was, yeah,
in the preseason, they weren't looking very good and then
all of a sudden they come into the season. And
I remember I went on this like little rant on

(09:06):
one of my streams one day, and then I put
out a couple of tweets because I was like, everybody
counts out this team because during preseason when they're experimenting,
they try a bunch of new stuff, they try a
bunch of random things, and then when it comes to
game day, they show up and so sure, same thing happened.
Like Donnie said, Ku Rev comes in. They're trying a
lot of stuff. They're experimenting. They got to kind of

(09:28):
figure out what the roles are. But when they figure
it out, they're still elite. Like they've always been one
of the best teams in the world. They've been one
of the best fighting teams in the world. And I
think with the igelling things specifically because of the way
they play, they don't really have like they don't have
to make a lot of like hard decisions like you know,
a zero or a suite or somebody like that has

(09:48):
to make because they play a very fundamentally different type
of play style where all three of the players are
like heavily involved in calls because they play on the edge.
They fight a lot of teams. That's what they do. Like,
it's not like a lot of hard decisions. It's kind
of a very cookie cutter like this is how we're
gonna play, and we're gonna beat people because they're better
at them better than them at doing that. And so sure,

(10:10):
Yanya was the IGL, but even like every pro if
you ever ask them, who are the top igls right
with Yanya, there was always kind of like an asterisk
because that team doesn't play in a way that they
really need one, and so I feel like, sure Kurev
comes in, he's the IGL at first, but then doesn't
really work out. Now they kind of swap things around.
Haguaras does the macro and Niazle does the micro. But

(10:30):
it still just comes back to the thing of like
the way they fundamentally play the game doesn't truly need
one because their their play style entirely relies on them
being able to win fights, and when you're fighting, iglling
kind of goes out the window. Everybody has to be
involved in fighting calls, you know what I mean, So

(10:50):
obviously you still have some macro. But that's where Haguah
like steps in. He's been They've been playing this play
style for years, so it's not like it's a shocker
that him and Theyazl would both have an understanding of
how their macro worked. So anyway, I don't think it's
crazy surprising, and I love to see those boys are
succeeding once again.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, so they can add this feather to their cap
and we're gonna get once again. Talk to Krev here
in a moment, and there's a lot of confidence coming
out of the Liquid Alien where camp right now, a
lot of confidence, a ton of confidence. You spoke a
lot about Yanya, and I wanted to kind of move
over to the Loan Sharks, who did get second here.
That's Yanya dropped knocked Head coached by Raven. I wanted

(11:31):
to go through and kind of your entire thought process
around the Loan Shark, the fact that they're not signed
right now, and also the performance they have and what
went down with them with BLGs.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I think they'll get signed before Champs. I think it's
gonna be SSG. I mean, I posted that on Reddit.
I have no insider knowledge of that being the case,
but it just makes too much sense SSG. When they
dropped their previous team right after they won, their CEO
made a tweet about it and at the end he said,
we're not done with Apex, so they're looking for a squad.
This is one of the top teams in North America,

(12:03):
one of the top teams in the world. They're playing
good thy'ugh. BLGs dropped has previous experience, having played for
the ORG a couple of years ago. Like It just
makes so much sense that they would pick up that roster.
So I think they'll get picked up by SSG. If
they don't get picked up by that ORG, it'll be
another one. Like they're too good of an ORG to
be going or too good of a team to go
into Champs unsigned, and some ORG is gonna want that

(12:25):
sort of attention because you know, that's a team that's
probably going to be playing for the potential trophy in
the end, and you don't want to, you know, miss
an opportunity where a team that good you don't get
the exposure and all the stuff that comes with, you know,
having your name attached to them. So I think they'll
get signed. In terms of performance, I'm not at all
surprised that they're doing so good. I mean, like the

(12:45):
Newcastle meta was kind of started by people like Raven
and like Gaming Gladiators coach Leuk over an EU, So
what a surprise that like they're really good in this
meta and also like knocked and dropped as a duo
performerly with Skittles, Like we almost saw them win Champs
last year. I just talked about how good Liquid always
was with Yanya. They were always one of the best teams,

(13:07):
So like, what what a shocker that they add Yanya
and they're still really damn good, you know what I mean?
And honestly, I think the more that team plays together,
the better they're going to get, because I still think
there's some like growing pains they have with Yanya that
it's only going to get better as time goes on.
So uh, yeah, I mean that teams that teams. Honestly,
they're an elite team and I think they're definitely in
the consideration. It's like one of the top contenders going

(13:28):
into Champs.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now, Donnie, you have been our TSM guy, and uh,
you know, but yeah, it does sound bad. It shouldn't
sound bad, but that's just the the connotation that gets
put on TSM fans because of the past. Right, and
then also every single every time you're watching, Yeah, it's
like now it's it's it's flipped.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
But like you go into your TSM things, Yeah, after
how left, you're still here.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
We're still It's different now. And it's also funny because
anytime you watch ALGs or BLGs or whatever and you
go into the chat, it's like, is TSM playing used
to be a meme? Now it's like, oh, is TSM
playing It actually is a legitimate question at this point.
You're our TSM guy, and we know that with you,
it's not a negative connotation, right. They get third here,

(14:19):
and this is crazy because remember when this whole thing
went down. Obviously after LA things change, obviously how leaves
and there was this weird period where TSM had a
good week followed by bad week. Now a good week
followed by a bad week. Then you're like, where are
they at? I feel like at this point we can

(14:39):
firmly say that this is still an elite squad, very good,
and they have figured out what they needed to figure out.
They get third once again heading into Champs. Where do
you stand with TSM And what did you see from
them here in the in the BLGs final?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean, in terms of the BLGs, I think
they were by far the most consistent team. I think
the other got first or they were potentially second in
points I can't remember if Tripods ended up overtaking them
for overall accumulated points over the four qualifiers and they
were right now, Yeah, So I think that speaks for
itself that I think they were the most consistent team
in the Americas. Which again I think a lot of

(15:16):
people would agree is the toughest region still in the
world right now, at least the deepest anyway. So I
think that definitely speaks to how the how good the
quality is with TSM. And I mean I think that
the fighting potential they have is unquestioned. You know, Zap
and for Holes are just a dynamic duo when it
comes to any fights. You know, they are confident to

(15:36):
swing anything that they want to swing, and they do
usually do pretty good job of cleaning up quickly. The
big thing that I've obviously we've questioned is like, how's
igling situation going to look? You know, how is how
is it going to develop over time? And I think
what's been so impressive is that we've had Zap that
a lot of people have questions about how is he
going to fit? How is that going to go with

(15:56):
Evan and Reps, you know, where they going to have
In my gel was going.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
To be more Evan or Refs doing it.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
And I think it's been pretty cool to see the
dynamic that they've built because at the end of the day,
Zapp is the IGL. Having FOD reviewed them a little bit,
it is obvious that when decision needs to get made,
he is the one saying we are doing this, follow
me now. But they really do a great job of collaborating,
and I think in those moments where they might just
be holding a spot or they're trying to figure out

(16:23):
what their next move is, they do a really good
job of having active comms, which is I think sometimes
what teams can struggle with. They kind of get in
the lull of like not saying much or saying information
that's not very useful, and then all of a sudden
they get third partied or it's time to make their
move and they don't know what they're doing yet. So
I think it's really cool to see how TSM has
developed over time, and I think it would be dumb

(16:44):
if anybody disregard them as a non favorite. I think
they are easily a favorite going into Champs.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I mean, you just want.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
To talk about just clutch factor if you want to
talk about one thing. I mean, Evan Varhols has come
up with some clips in these endgames that are just
absolutely discuss So I think their biggest thing is just
if they can make those final decisions in those final
circles instead of getting those kind of fourth and fifth,
they can get those consistent first and seconds and really
close out a match point kind of format. I think

(17:13):
it's easily that they're one of the top two or
three teams had into those champs.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I love to hear it. I love to hear it,
and I think that it's just crazy to see how
you look at the top three teams here, and two
of those top three have been one of those weird
situations where you didn't know exactly what the IGL situation
was going into it, and I think that just shows
that over time, like we knew what was going to

(17:40):
happen with Apex, is that the game is evolving to
where if you can find three guys with a similar
level of where you want to go, Like Jay mentioned earlier,
if you're fighting a lot of times, that IGL goes
out the door and it's just all of you have
to be involved. You all got to figure out a
way to step up. And with the way the Ta
SEM and Team Lick would have been set up, all

(18:02):
of them can fight like they can all get in there.
And that's not to say any of these other teams can't,
but it's just kind of showing the shift that we've
seen in the competitive scene. There was always this there
was always this idea like you had to have the
igl and now you're seeing a lot of guys step
into that role and come away some cash. So that's
where we're at right now. That is where we're at now.

(18:23):
I'd like to open up the Florida either of you
guys about a team you'd like to talk about. I
do think it would be weird if we didn't talk
about Team Falcons. I think we got to talk about
Team Falcons a little bit. I didn't see a whole
lot from Falcons, but from your guys perspective, Jail, throw
it on down to you first, what did you see?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean, they won the first game, they had a
ten kill win, so like they started off really hot.
But I think right now Falcons is just kind of
struggling to find consistency. Obviously, everybody kind of knows about
their struggles with the current meta. It dated back pretty
much this entire year. It's felt like it's been a
struggle for them. Of like the crypto Newcastle stuff is

(19:03):
just the polar opposite of what historically these player strengths
have been. Like when you think about how you think
about Horizon, you think about Wraith, like you think about
the Prime Dark zero era. Sure, like there was the
Ghibbie meta, but you know, whenever they eventually picked up Zainu,
like they're way more aggressive, the bang the Seer, like

(19:24):
all that kind of stuff, and so it really feels like,
you know, that's how you get the most out of
these players. And then now you add Waltzy also kind
of known for like Bangalore, Horizon Valkyrie, these very aggressive
characters in the past, and so they just don't really
have anyone that feels like a true anchor. But at
the same time, they're also in like a really weird
position because like that's just kind of how APEX is,

(19:47):
Like you don't pick up a person based on the meta.
You pick up who you think is the best available player.
And in terms of the players they have, now like
you have literally three of the best players in the world,
and so sure, they're kind of struggling in this meta,
But what happens if all of a sudden we go
into the next split of you know, Split one a
year five, and we have Horizon Bang Seer or something

(20:07):
like super aggressive back in the meta, They're gonna dominate everybody,
So I think it's just a matter of time. They
clearly need to figure out who's gonna play Newcastle. They've swapped.
I've seen throughout scrims and different stuff. All three of
them have tried the Newcastle. They're they're very committed, it
seems like to this Newcastle Gibbee Catalyst comp. I'd be

(20:28):
interested to see if maybe they would ever try to
commit to something a little more aggressive, like maybe what
Alliance plays where you mix the Pathfinder in there. They
don't seem to want to do that, which does make
sense because historically Zero and how have also been very
like you play the best way to win, which is
to get into the middle of zone, and that's a
comp that can really thrive in the middle of zone.

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So I don't know, I'm I think this was an
encouraging performance from them, considering how they've looked throughout BLGs
like it hasn't been great. They've had days where they
haven't even made it to the bl GS finals. So
the fact that they were able to win the first
game they finished seventh overall. Honestly, the only thing that
they need to build upon at this point going into
Champs is making sure they stay consistent throughout the games,

(21:12):
because they have that big twenty two point game, but
then like seventh with three, twelve with one, four with six,
really good game. But then we go tenth with one KP,
sixteenth with zero, sixteenth with two just too many games
where that floor is way too low. And so I
don't know. I think they're still a work in progress,
and ultimately I don't know if they'll ever find the

(21:34):
answer to who should be Newcastle. But if they do
find that answer and one of them can truly commit
and embrace that role and have to, it's going to
be a big flex because none of those three have
ever played in that sort of role historically. But if
they can do it, then they could be back.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Donnie, did you have anything to add?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, I was just gonna say it's interesting that you
mentioned the Pathfinder because today, actually, and I think potential
even yesterday too, Hal is actually on Newcastle and Zero
is playing Pathfinder and Walt was playing Gibbie. So I
still think, like you said, they are kind of trying
to figure out how exactly that's going to look. Because
again you're you're talking about adding Walt, who is a

(22:17):
fragging igl very aggressive character picks in the past, who
then asked to completely change how he plays to the Newcastle,
which is the anchor, the person that cannot go down first.
That was even a reason for why they had switched
hal Off originally, is because how have a tendency sometimes
to overcompete, because he's such a good opener for damage

(22:37):
that you know, he can get a crack or put
down up a bunch of damage. But when you lose
the Newcastle first, it just puts you so behind in fights.
So they switch it to wall t He's still trying
to figure some things out, you know, things like wall
placement and stacking the mobile shield with the bubbles and
things like that, and that's just stuff that takes time,
you know, And unfortunately, you know, they had didn't have
zero for I believe the first was the first just one,

(23:00):
or was it the first two potentially b LGS days,
so I mean it might have just been the first one.
But even then, you know they're screaming with him on
crazy ping differences and all this different stuff. So like
they were a little bit delayed with comparative to other teams.
So it really is just it's gonna take time. You know,

(23:21):
do they have enough time to figure it out before Champs.
That's gonna be the ultimate question. Do they just completely
run it this next month with how on the Newcastle
and see if that ends up working for them? That's
really just gonna be their biggest question. But I think
Jay hit it on the head. It's like they're gonna
have I feel like that one pop off game at least,
because they're just too good not to. But it's can

(23:43):
they equate these other games to those fifth places, those
sixth places at a minimum, to where we're used to seeing,
you know, their teams of old. You know, the reason
why they're so good in these matchpoint finals because they
don't have these terrible bad games more often than not.
You know, the only time we really saw them have
a bad time with TSM, and they even pop off
three games at a row, Togo still win the damn thing.

(24:04):
So like it's there, you know, they're too good not
to be a factor. But it's just again, I think
it ultimatelys just to come down to are they gonna
have enough time to make the adjustments and can they
find some level of consistency to where their skill level
and their knowledge of the game can push them over
the top.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And to add on to that too, I do think
that one underrated aspect as to their current struggles is
both Hal and Zero were always so good at being
able to identify openings for their team to either third
party or like take fights, and just whenever they found
that opening, boom, they win it. They're like in a

(24:41):
way better spot there, They're you know, moving further into
the game, they're getting big KP games. This current meta,
it's just so much harder to do that because the
Newcastle can just reset things that shouldn't be able to
be reset, Like sometimes, it's just a little harder to
be able to predict that kind of stuff, And I
think that's it's just something that every team has to

(25:01):
kind of grasp like that. That was one of their
biggest strengths as Igl's in the past, was seeing those
openings and taking advantage of them, and because they were
always typically the superior fighting team in those instances, they
were winning those engagements all the time. But now with
Newcastle being able to reset, that's just not always how
things works. So it's just something once again, like Donnie said,

(25:21):
it just takes time. They got to figure out who
plays the Newcastle. They got to like kind of find,
you know, how to properly identify those openings, because sometimes
when I tune in and watch them, they will be like,
man like, if this one tiny thing goes differently, we
win this, and it's like yeah, And in the past
that was always what was happening, but unfortunately in the
current meta, it's just different, you know. And one thing

(25:43):
too I wanted to add is that I think what
we've seen too is that, especially adding the district as
a map, some of these endgames we're seeing is fifteen
sixteen teams in the tiniest of spaces.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
In these situations, you can have the best Mac know
all the ins and outs of this game, but when
there's about forty to fifty players in an eight by
eight inch box, there's really not a whole lot you're
to be able to do. It's so much about who
honestly just gets lucky that one team doesn't decide to
push you to more than five other teams collapse on

(26:17):
top of you. There's been so many situations I felt
like they've run into that and some other favorites to
have run into those on E District to where some
of these district games, you just don't know who's gonna
win because it's really just whoever can just be the
last man standing. The number of times we are seeing
EBAC tower plays now in the end zones just to
see like which guy could be the last one up
the zip to survive, Like so much of that is

(26:39):
just random luck at this point too, and that's just
what brs are going to be like sometimes, you know,
And I think with this meta like Jay was getting at,
it's like so much of this isn't like old Apex
to where gathering the info always is going to put
you in the right spot to win. Sometimes it's just
the sustainability of so many more teams being able to
stay alive just make things so much different from than

(27:01):
what we've seen in the past.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And I think because of how many teams are alive
in those e district games, it also makes it so
like the impact of a team holding quote unquote godspot
is a lot less impactful because, like you said, when
there's more teams alive, that's just more people that might
do something stupid. They can screw you over. Like as
dumb as that sounds like that that legitimatey can happen
because when there's fifteen teams Ring six, of large portion

(27:27):
of that lobby is going to realize they do not
have an avenue to win, which means they need to
fight somebody and get as many points as they can't
through kills, like that's legitimately their only path forward. Otherwise
they're just gonna die. And so when that's your mentality,
you're gonna do some things that you maybe wouldn't normally do,
and that's going to affect other teams in a different way.
And so yeah, I mean, E just is just fun

(27:49):
to watch because of that, but also I imagine from
maybe a pro like perspective, they might be a little
more frustrated because I feel like on E District there's
I feel there's a lot less predictable endgames, where like
sometimes on Stormpoint or World's Edge, it can very much
be like yep, like by Ring four, we know who's
probably gonna win based on the positioning where the circles pulling,
but the district there doesn't feel like as clear of

(28:11):
of like that's godspot, this team has it, they're gonna win.
And if you know anything about dz tsm's like peak,
they were the best team at identifying god spot and
getting it and with the current meta with the district,
with some of these differences, it's just not as powerful
of a play style.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
The final team I want to talk about here before
we get into this great interview is Team Peebe and Jay.
And that was That was Connor, that was Jumba, that
was Burke, and then head coach I think it was
Jayhawk and and Donnie. You know, obviously they don't have
their best performance and I just kind of wanted to

(28:49):
throw it down to you guys, like what went wrong
with Team Peb and Jay? Like what was the problem
with Peter, Peanut, Butter and Jelly.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, here's the thing, you know, Donnie and I as
the coaching staff, Like I would consider myself the coach,
Donnie the analyst, unless Donnie you would disagree with that,
and then you could be the coach and I can
be the end.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I think that works.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
We had some opinions on the team, and I think
that just unfortunately we ran into sort of the things
that a lot of pro teams run into, where there
was some big changes that we wanted to implement and
there just wasn't enough time. They very much loved and
wanted to embrace the Edge play style, and we just
didn't think that was the best play style for the team.

(29:33):
We thought they should have, you know, dropped the pathfind
or pick up the catalyst, land center map, try to
go for zone, pick up a lot of placement points. Unfortunately,
it just felt like it was a little too late
from their side to make that shift and try and
completely change everything that they were doing towards that. So
we didn't end up doing that because also that requires
your macro to be a lot more like on you know,

(29:55):
because there's a lot more timing, it's a lot more
execution when it comes to gaining certain spots or edge.
It's a little more free flowing during the early game,
and you kind of are a little more reactionary. So anyway,
so we couldn't make some of those changes and that
led into the match day where I was I was
telling them many times as like, boys, if you when

(30:16):
you see the first ring pop, I want you to
talk about where you think it might pull, because if
you think it's going to come to you, then I
know you're playing a Pathfinder, and I know you're playing Edge,
but I think maybe you should take the ring console
instead of the survey beach.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Just pick the damn ring console, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And then if you thought it was coming to you,
it confirms it's coming to you. You can try to
play a power position and just rack up easy placement
points because in these BLGs lobbies, like this is round two,
round three, the cutoff's not very high, Like you need
about fifteen to twenty points. If you have one top
three game, that's a guaranteed seven points. Just off a

(30:57):
third alone with no kills, that's, you know, in a
f fifteen point cutoff, that's you're halfway there off a
one game, right, and then you add some kills on
top of it. Boom, You're you're right there. And they
just didn't listen to me. They literally watch they literally
had one game. I reminded them of this point on
E District. They're landing at stadium. They talk about it,

(31:19):
and they immediately go, boys, I think it might be
Pulling stadium. And I'm like me and Donnie, we're in
a call.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
We're hyped.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
We're like, yes, they think they're listening their time about
rezone's gonna go. They think it's Pulling stadium. They can
get ring consoleed. They just hit blues like do it,
and then they go no, let's actually hit survey beacon.
And then Connor audibly goes sorry, Jay, like he knew
that I was pissed off, even though I can't talk
to them in the game, and so he apologizes to me.

(31:46):
They hit survey beacon instead. The ring is slightly to
the north of stadium. They end up negative rotating south.
They try to fight this team for this EVO cash.
They end up dying. Jumbas last alive. He has to
like just evac all the way to what is a
draft point, Like he goes so far from where zone is.
They basically end up rotating from draft point into like

(32:07):
the middle of the map all the way to the
north to like Galleria. I think they reset in like
Lotus or something like. They basically rotated all the way
a full circle around the map and ended up dying
in like thirteenth to Falcons. Like that's who kills them
because they were in Falcons Lobby the whole day, and
you know so, I think the the ultimate thing that

(32:29):
went wrong with them is they just refused to get
easy placement points.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Quite honestly, they were just allergic to playing zone apparently. Yeah,
And the crazy part is that set they actually did
end up qualifying for the next round, but they three
of the four games basically got gifted zone. We had
a pylon pull and they landed at pylon. That game
we had that poll just north of stadium, they landed
at Stadium, And I can't remember the other one.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think it was a World's Edge game, but yeah, yeah,
it was Tree. Yeah, the game and then the clutch
game at the end where they literally contested a tree
and won their off drop contests and then proceeded to
panic and leave and go to thermal station and then
die and have to craft over at staging and then
come back in from the north side of Tree. So
they literally got gifted three zones and they didn't capitalize

(33:18):
on almost any of the Tree qualified.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So the Tree one was hilarious because they left then
came all the way back and it was the game
that they absolutely had to get third place, and they
ended up getting third place off of one of the
weirdest engagements I've ever seen. But yeah, I mean, you know,
shout out Jumba, shout out Connor, shout out Burke of
Team PB and j you know, obviously didn't go the

(33:42):
way they wanted it to, but they had fun and
that's all that matters. That's what BLGs is all about,
ladies and gents. That's here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
That final day, that final weekend, the goal was to
get round three. That was honestly the ultimate goal. And
they got round three, so anything after that was just
a cherry on top. Unfortunately, the next set they got
their shit stopped and I think they got like two
total points or something, so absolute they got they got
three total points. But the goal was to get to

(34:12):
pass the second round, which is where they kept getting
eliminated prior. So they accomplished that goal. So even though
it wasn't pretty and Donnie and I were losing our
minds because they refused to take ring console the whole
time and just could not play ring correctly, they got passed,
they got passed around they wanted to.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
So that's all that matters at the end of the day.
And BLGs was a great time and I hope they
bring it back, especially if we're gonna have a ULL
this long. I think it fit its role perfectly. It
is what the community needed, and especially when the games
at a down point. As far as just you know,
I would say general vibes are going and we talk

(34:51):
about that a little bit with Korev in the interview
as well. It's just nice to have something to look
forward to, and it's nice to have something that everybody
can participate in as well, So ladies and gens. That's
just about wrap it up for our BLGs stuff. We
do have some previews coming up here with Dawn and
I think Jay, you said you would you were going
to be a part of it as well. We want

(35:11):
to break down everything before Champs starts, going through all
of the different groups and talking about how the teams
will be most successful, how they will be the least successful,
what we'll make these teams go. That's our plan for
the next few weeks before we get into Champs. And
I think I think I will be there. I don't

(35:32):
want to put the title I will be there. I
think I will be there. This has been in the
works for a few weeks. Jay was gracious enough to
help me out to get over there. I think we're
gonna have to I will be Oh, I have to
cut that.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
I haven't announced. I don't know, and I don't allowed
to announce it.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
So, yeah, you'll have to cut that.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Okay, I'll cut that all right, never mind, I'll just
go like this all right, three two one. But yeah,
So that's the best part of about BLGs. It's been
fun for everybody involved. It's been a good time, ladies
and gents. Without further ado, let's send it on down
to the winner of the America region of the BLGs,
and that was Karev from Liquid Alien where it was

(36:12):
a great interview with him. We're gonna send it on
down to Karev right now. Let's get it all right,
ladies and gents, we are welcomed by a very special guest,
first time ever on the show. We've got Liquid Alien
Wear's very own Karev hopping on the pod for the
first time right after winning the very first BLGs. You

(36:35):
guys won your region in the Americas in the BLGs. Man,
it's probably been a crazy few weeks, crazy few days.
But how are you feeling since the.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
W oh fetty?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Great to like if the team has been like nothing
but good overall, Like we've been performing, We've been training
a lot, so I mean like we're feeling really comforted
for Japancho.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
So everything's good that around here. I'm not gonna lie h.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I love it. I love to see it now. The
only downside to this is we still have such a
long time before we get to Japan. And I was
talking to you a little bit before we started recording,
like it's gotta feel like you just want to get
it going right now. You you just want to get
right back into.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
It, bruh.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Like if it was for me, like I said, I
will play tomorrow, Like I'm so excited to play, to
go to travel to Japan, gonna be We're gonna be
in Tokyo. We're gonna do some content for like three
days then boot camp and everything. It's gonna go great,
Like I'm really excited to do it.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Are Yeah, It's gonna be a crazy time and I
can't wait for it. So it's uh, we still got
a long ways to go. But let's go back to
the BLGs and talk a little bit about that, because
it's one of the first times we've ever had something
like that. There was a lot of different aspects to
the BLGs than we've had in ALGs in the past.

(37:55):
Like obviously E District comes in as a map and
then there's you know, there's different things that you're having
to figure out going into this tournament. How overall did
you rate the Bogs in your opinion?

Speaker 5 (38:07):
I think from a skill from one to ten, I
would like do like an eight point five just because
like everything is like so there's no balance, you know,
like you could be like one match you could be
against Valancles and one match you could be against Pepito one, two, three,
you know, like it, So it doesn't make sense for me.

(38:28):
So for the first like four rounds, you don't know
how to play because you know, if you will have
to play serious because there's like a good lobby, or
if you're gonna have to play just like roaming around
killing people because if you go to a Goldsport early
just gonna get inted by red armands later, you know.
So I think it from that part is like kind

(38:50):
of balanced, and that's the part that I personally don't
like a part of course from the like there's no draft,
you know, so like a lot of the ESA teams
or people that played with a lot of being like
they're just like dec needed to go Gaates or some
underdog PI basically and just played with such a disadvantage.

(39:14):
But apart from that, like everything has been great, like
the BLGs, the casters, the organization, everything has been like perfect,
Like I don't think this has been any problems something now.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Yeah, so what those early days, especially like those early rounds,
there have been some pro teams that have not called
through like these early ones. Were you guys ever in
that situation or were you guys like fed on the gas?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
No question, no, no, we were.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
We were there, trust me, we were like the two
first weeks like we were well quarter finals, we didn't
qualiti finals. I mean, and I knew then that we
had to make a change because everything that was not
working now properly. So we then decided to swap I
jealing from me to Jaguars, and I think from now,

(40:07):
from then it has been like a very performing team
basically because decisions that make Jaguars makes in these matter
are so good, like everything is like picture perfect. Basically
you just go micro rotations, micro rotations, just go into
a spot deeper every single time, and if you have

(40:27):
to take a fight, we like never lost it. But
like we don't lose bubble fights or fights with you
and a not so yeah, like I feel like the
best change has been that ever since. And then we
quota finals on the third week. We want it, we
had to win it. If we didn't want that, the

(40:49):
bilch is three, Uh, we don't wouldn't make finals and
basically we wouldn't win.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
You know, So everything like has a destiny, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It was so crazy, Yeah, and it's uh, it's I
think I wanted to go back to the to the
iglling thing because I think on almost every team before this,
you had always kind of been in that in that role,
and when you started with Liquid, that's where you were at.
And then you had to make that decision to be like,
I don't think we're doing the best that we can

(41:17):
be with me in this spot. It's very rare. I
feel like for an igl, especially somebody who's been doing
it for a long time, to kind of come down
and make that decision to remove themselves from that role.
How difficult was that for you and transitioning into a
different spot? Uh, how much was there like an adjustment
period or did you kind of just fall into it

(41:39):
and learn pretty quickly?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I mean, like suffering from igling to fragging.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
I know, it's like way easier, like fragging and doing
stuff like that is so easy for me now And
the only thing that I couldn't change, like from day
want to they chew is like, uh, I still try
to do getting the scene Like how do I say that?
Like a game changing decisions basically. Yeah, so that was

(42:10):
my biggest mistake as going from igl to fragging bad
Like from playing like everything felt like way more comfortable,
Like I was playing like way better for me individually
and where as a team, we were playing like much
better because I feel like my style of igling is
like sort of some sort of zero and I don't

(42:31):
feel like there's much organization in that stile of igaling,
like just follow me and we just do this, you know,
and there's not like much guidance through that, and I
feel like the team needed like to just basically chill
a bit, like playing more slower, you know. So I
was thinking about it, was it would be better for

(42:52):
me to fit into the team instead of just coming
and trying to make changes in a in a region
that I don't know, you know mm hm.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
So so yeah, I talked to the coach.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
The coach agreed, We talked to NISU and everyone agreed.
We talked to Jaguaris and he said he would like
to give it a shot, you know, and of course
me andso every single time that he made like a
rookie mistake, we wouldn't go hard on him or anything
like that because that wasn't good for any of us basically,

(43:25):
you know.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
So like it took him.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Like four days, but after the four days period, like
he was insane, like straight up like he was you know.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, he wasn't natural.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Basically you can see like the experience that he has
from previous lands on his cons basically, like every single
time he's just chilling, Like he not making like pressure
CONTs and anything like that. He just like chills through everything,
you know, even after we die.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
It's like crazy. So yeah, I think like.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
That was like the major change, but that was good
for us.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
And so you said that you guys made that change
more so because you're like idrielling wasn't fitting well with
the current meta. Do you think that if, like say
like a couple of seasons from now, we're in a
different meta, do you think the conversation opens up you
taking back that id overspot at all, or you guys
just gonna like obviously like who are is He's got

(44:18):
it on lock, it's not broken.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Don't fix the type of vibe.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Like for me, I would never change something that is working,
you know, like if we're getting first place after first
place after first places, like I won't say, okay, guys,
we had to switch characters that're going like I might
gonna switch to like an anchor or something like that.
Like No, for me, it's like, if this is working,
we're literally the best team in an a. Now I

(44:45):
feel like there's not a single change to be done,
you know, just keep on perfecting what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (44:50):
When the diamond comes.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
That we're performing bad, we will have to talk basically,
you know, But I would like I would I wouldn't
be like worry to like take the responsibility back of
being angel, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, it's more just about it's more just about the
team success rather.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Than Yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Now, when he
first stepped into that role, was there any tips or
pointers that you gave him to kind of help him out?

Speaker 5 (45:20):
So like I felt like some stuff, of course was wrong,
But as time passed on, I feel like he didn't
need my taps, you know, because it wasn't like he
was doing stuff wrong, but it was a different place basically,
you know. So what I used to do is like, okay,

(45:41):
just do everything fast. Wrote it fast, we take the
points fast. And you know, he's more a type of
guy like just take away thing, chill, loot where we
need we need.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
We wrote it late, we go into a spot late.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
We don't need to like rush things, and it just
eliminates like a lot of risk, you know, like we
plan everything out before doing it. There's nothing like a
Russia decision, you know. So I feel like that's a
very good thing. Plus in is madea you can do
that because you have Gibbie bubble, you have a Newcastle cue,

(46:14):
you have Newcastle risk, you have Newcastle wall. Like you're
just basically chilling all the time, you know, So I
think that's the best way you're playing it right now.
Like a lot of stuff that wasn't like really comfortable
with is like the time that he takes to rotate
or stuff like that. Like you can see Sony is

(46:35):
like next to us, like this gospel right there, and
he says, oh yes, just look you know, like it's
all good guys, and then we just wrote it and
everything works out, so I mean it's fine, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
So I kind of wanted to go back and ask
about how you got into gaming, Apex, whatever it may be,
but just kind of go back to how this all
started for you, because everybody has a has a different
way that they got into gaming, and especially getting into
competitive gaming. Where did it all start for you? Personally?

Speaker 5 (47:07):
It all started basically when I was three years old
and my brother had a compeer, so every single time
he would go out, I just turn it on, put
gta mineca for something like that, and just keep playing
for a bit, you know. And ever since, I just
like keep more getting more enthusias about it, you know,

(47:27):
like I wanted to play more.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
I want to get back from school and play.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
So yeah, and then I after two weeks of the
release of APEX, I came into play, played for a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
I liked it, but not too much.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
I left it for like two to three months, came
back to play, tried it once more, and now we're
a new graphics card I have I've had I think
it was a one fifty DEI or something like that.
Like it was very good that at that time, you know,
and I really liked the game. So I was every
single then grinding, playing ranked and stuff like that. And

(48:04):
one day I go into a Randoms game with a
gun Shoe. He was an essay guy from them, and
he said, oh, you play well, you wanna try out,
you wanna check if we can play competitive a bit,
and you know, and yeah, for sure, I said, you know.
So the first time we played it was a p LQ.
Basically my first ever competitive setting was PILQ, and I

(48:28):
was I yelling, you know, so, I think we got
like eighth place. And after the tournament they finished, I think,
oh yeah, the first and second goes to the championship
and win three k U see, I said, what, Like,
there's no way, right, I just played in that I
got date, you know. So ever since, like I got
hooked up gut into Pro League, played with them. I

(48:51):
think we got like eighth and fifth and some stuff
like that, and like every single time I played I
elected more basically, so oh yeah, now we're here.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Basically now.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
When it comes to other titles, other games, were you
always kind of in the upper echelon of players, like
the better skilled players, and all the other games and
titles you would mess around with or was APEX kind
of the one that just made the most sense to
you and it just clicked with you.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
I mean I think no, I wasn't of course from
my friends from school, yeah, you know, but every single
time I will just get stuck in like Platinum Diamond
and stuff like that, and was like sixteen years old,
and it wasn't that Tracy, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
It was ntil like two years later.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
I think it was eighteen nineteen that I started like, Okay,
I want to do this more. I want to get better,
you know, and stuff like that. So try to get better.
Teammates played every single day, try to get better and
keep branding ever since, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
And it wasn't like some talent that.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
It had basically, like there was never oh, I'm just
crazy at games like lid Fretzen bro you know, like
lid fretz and is crazy and she has he's eleven years.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Older, brot. Yeah that guy.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I just countered human ranked her and he choo pumps
in like easy, you know. So yeah, yeah, I think
it was like pure just grind basically there was no
talent involved basically, and.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
So you took that grind and you you so you
you first were playing an essay pro League and then
you make the switch to liquid and then you switch
over to NA. How was that of a change for
you and how long did it take you to really
get acclimated.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
So previously I got invited by a team to go
play in Europe. So I played one split of pro
League in Europe and I got to we get like
twenty fifth, So it was really bad, you know, but
I took a lot of things from that. I learned
a lot, Like a lot of the stuff that you

(51:03):
don't mess around too much with is like the confidence
that you have, like, Okay, I'm going into Europe.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
This is a new region.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
There's alliance and a lot of stuff that they're really
good teams, you know. And I think that was like
our major problem, Like we weren't confident in doing decisions
that okay, just take this three or three and whatever
happens happens, you know, because this comes a time on
a match that you probably have to do that because
there's no other choice, you know.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
And we didn't have to confidence. So we were pretty
much victims all the time, you know. And I wasn't
igl there.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
I had a teammate Igling and at that time, I
was taking that like really harsh on myself because I
felt like I didn't take the responsibility. You know, Okay,
what we're doing bad and I should have took the
igl position and I didn't do it because I was
scared of something and shit like that.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
So when I came into Liquid, I tried to apply
everything that happened to me Europe. And it wasn't like
a swift change. Don't get me growing Like the first
one a half weeks, like it was so bad. We're
doing like twelve, fifteen, thirteen and stuff like that, and

(52:14):
then it started to click more, you know, like it
say it like I started to get in more sense
of the region basically, you know that that's when we
started doing better. Like it wasn't like a base mouth change,
but it worked out in the enda.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And going to Europe was kind of a big deal
because for people who don't know, obviously you're from South America,
which the region was taken away. There used to be
spots for South America, they took it away. So you
go to Europe to kind of keep this thing going.
You go to Europe to keep playing. What was that
process like and what kind of went into your decision

(52:54):
to be like I gotta I'm going to move across
the world so that I can keep playing Apex and
trying to make this thing reality.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
It was harsh. It was like a really really.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I think I was eighteen, nineteen years old, I don't remember,
Thank god. I was with a teammate from Brazil and
he is like an adult basically. He took care of
me all the time basically, but yeah, there was not
too much money to go there, so we were pretty
much like eating rice and chicken every single day.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
It was so crazy, like for three months straight. You know. Yeah,
it was like a.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Very good, like decision, I feel like, but I took
so much experience from that that I wouldn't like I'm
not repainting from that decision, you know, like the experience
that I learned at nineteen years old from moving to
an our country and just playing eight to ten hours
a day of the same game and being around the

(53:56):
same people. You know, like there was a lot of
thing TBD involved, like mentally, but when I came back,
like everything makes more sense, you know, like I'll learned
that a lot from that.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
And so you mentioned like playing for like the game
for like eight to twelve hours or whatever. You said,
what does your like schedule look like so you can
prepare for like these like BLGSS Like obviously like you
scram but like what does your preparation look like in total?

Speaker 5 (54:30):
So, like what I would do every single day, I
just like wake up, take a shower, go eat something
so I don't have to go like eat in between
Screams and stuff like that, play Screams. Then after that
I just take a little break of like thirty minutes
one hour, eat, and then just play until I sleep again.
Basically that that's every single day in repetition, you know,

(54:55):
So is that just.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Mostly ranked or what do you what do you got
going on?

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (55:01):
To warm up like I do or five stuff like that,
play screams then all days is like ranked or after
the day, like I just watch an hour or two
of like a serious or something to chill out a bit.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
But yeah, usually just APEX straight up. There's nothing else.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Grind now now right now, there's a lot of negativity
surrounding Apex and what's been going on. But we've actually
talked to some other people like Monsoon, for instance, who
think this the state of the game right now, as
far as the meta incompetitive is one of the best
metas that he's enjoyed personally. For you, where do you

(55:40):
stand with this meta? Do you enjoy it? Do you
wish it was something different? Where are you at with it?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
No? I completely agree with Monsoon on this one.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Like this, there has not been a single meta that's
been buried at this one.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
I feel like because.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
There's so many mechanics involved that you cannot lose because
they had better weapons, you know, or stuff like that.
You're going into a bubble. It's just all mechanics stuff
like that. You there's not like, Okay, I'm gonna kill
you for a five five hundred meters like there was
a season with the charge rifle, you know, there's.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Not unbalanced stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
But yeah, like it just feels great to play ranked
or screens oever, because you don't feel like there's like
a huge gap in between teams because of the like
let's imagine the BI. You know, like usually the BI
has been like a big thing in like later seasons
because of the Oh, there's more probaities of a programmer

(56:37):
stuff like that. On this BI, you can craft, you
can there's very beacon chance, you know, and when they
removed it, it's like it helped a lot for say.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
For example, you know, because there was.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
So much erring gy involved on the bois and stuff
like that. So where I like that about the meta
is like this way to balance, you know, like the's
not a if a team is getting bathed basically for
a minute, it's because they're better with it. It's not
a team that is like, Okay, they're playing some weird
stuff so they're getting better results, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So then we move into I wanted to kind of
talk a little bit about going away from South America,
and then when you do go away from South America,
you kind of well, at this point, I don't think
you had left yet, but you you play at EWC
with eacholo's laser, and you guys call in the first round.

(57:36):
You guys are able to make finals at EWC, and
that go I went back and watched that entire tournament
and was trying to get like a good site on
what exactly happened there, because you guys made it by
two points in the final game, and I think the
only time you were ever within the number was after
game one. The entire rest of the tournament. Yeah, yeah,

(57:57):
you really.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Had like eleven twelve like we were just switching at
you know.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Yeah, Like I I don't know what to say, Like
the performance there wasn't great, but it was what we needed,
you know, because I mean there was some problems in
the team and there was like a lot of synergy issues.
I wasn't experienced enough, like there was. That was my
first Final Sloby ever. Like I feel like that event

(58:25):
like changed my whole life basically, because that's where so
basically in essay, you cannot get practice, you know that.
So the practice that you got for an event is
the event itself, you know, So getting into a Final
Sloby having so much practice it was like thirteen matches

(58:45):
like this, Like I learned so much from that event,
like after doing the Bold Rebus and everything, like just
know what's wrong, what's good? You know the team if
they're doing well, they're doing not what changes need to
be made for you to next time get there?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Basically.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
So yeah, that that event was like was so crazy
for us, like it helps it was in your careers basically,
Like it was insane, insane.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I liked it And for people who don't understand when
you say you can't really get practice in South America,
can you kind of elaborate what the reasoning is and
why it's so so much more difficult to kind of
get that proper practice from that region.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Yeah, So the problem, the main problem with they say
is like there's not enough people to play with. There's
not like an A You okay, a team leaves, so
just invite an hour one Like, it doesn't work that way.
So there's like twenty teams that play. Five teams are good,
the other fifteen are trash. You know, there's not a

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real practice on it.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Basically.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
You know, it's like a monkey face every single time
you go into an I say match.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
So the only practice that you.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Get you to get it was early in the morning
at like seven am. You gotta go into EU screams
and then later into like in the evening. You just
play the two blocks of NA CC basically if they
let you in. You know, you don't have prior basically
because the CC teams usually have prior and plus. In EUS,

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you play with three hundred pin. If you play with
n A, you play with two hundred ping. You get
contested every single time, So you don't get the quality
practice as a in an a you know, that's usually
the main difference. So when you get into a land,
it's not about the excitement on land, but you're getting
into invited into like quality screams. You know, you can

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practice for like two weeks of screams with the very
teams in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
The world, you know. So, yeah, that's my reasoning behind
the basically.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
And so you you mentioned that EWC, like given just
how long of a finals round that was that just
that there's just so many like high like the highest
level you can really just get and there's reps on
reps on reps, and so I can definitely see how
that would have been like an immense like bonus to

(01:01:15):
you as a player, And it's really cool to see
how you're able to take that experience and then now
you're seeing like you're a players who's able to get
the practice that they needed, and then you've been able
to like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Capitalize that and have been your recent success.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Yeah. Yeah, so we didn't really do really well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I think we got like sixteenth, but from that tournament,
like I started.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Really getting in too, like the more.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Complicated concepts of the game that in essay you don't
have them, you just go around killing people they did.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Doesn't make sense, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
So I got money into like so on algorithms, micro rotations,
micro rotations like micro decisions and stuff like that that
you just say, Okay, I didn't get into much one
just because of this, you know. But there was a
lot of like problems that you have and if you
like writing down and see for yourself in each world

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of view.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
About what did it go wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
What the decisions should be being better, like, just get
a lot of like improvement for there from there, you know,
not only for playing basically, So.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
If I'm not mistaken, was there not a second South
American team in the ewc UH tournament too?

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Yeah? It was Dragons? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Later from that tournament, like so we swap teammates. We
basically invited at the guy from Dragons and the coach
that now is our coach Stressaalo bro Like that coach
is like next level, Like you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Will learn so much from here is Strasio from Brazil.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Like the difference that you have from like I had
like multiple coaches in my career, you know, but the
difference between like some random coach through a so solla
that you feel like he's the fourth player every single time.
You know, you feel like, okay, if you did make
a growing decision, he takes the responsibility too. You know,

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it's not like it is why it is, you know,
guys like that makes a lot of difference in my
career too, because I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Ever since I moved from the WC tournament, I started.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Learning so much, so many concepts with them, so many
like the stuff from my teammates too, Like it was
so helpful from every single standpoint, you know, And then
we might get a panic from dragons that he's I
think he literally is like top one from South America now,

(01:03:56):
like there's not a single guy that could be even
close to him. But you know it's a say, you know,
you can't do anything from there. It's so sad, or
it's so sad.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
So do you think that that will always be the
case for Essay and APEX or do you see a
potential future where Essay really picks itself up as a
region and then can elevate itself to compete with these
other regions around the world. And what exactly do you
think is preventing that from happening.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
So I feel like Essay has no future now, like
it is good that already was ever since they took
broadly off because.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
You don't have incentive.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
I don't know how to say it, Like you can
don't get like anything from playing. Basically you want to
grind your ass if you're not getting paid for anything,
you know, So I feel like, as there's another opportunity
now to like grind and get the bear at the
game and just get money from it so you can
sustain yourself. Is like it's there's no one that's gonna

(01:05:07):
like rand more than three hours a day basically from
essay now doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It's unfortunate to see the region kind of get to
that point, But like you mentioned, there are a lot
of players coaches that are coming out from the region
to kind of represent it in a way, and hopefully
in the future, maybe it won't always be the way
it is right now, Like hopefully at some point there
can be a little bit more support over and over
an essay and potentially bring that region back to where

(01:05:36):
it should be. But I wanted to go back to
the coach that you had mentioned and talk a little
bit more about him and what he brings to the table,
because you said You've had a lot of coaches before,
but this one makes a difference. And what is it
about this particular coach that that changes things for you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Oh, it's everything, Like he just puts in the time,
you know, like everything that he's doing now, everything every
success that we have is like part of because of him,
you know, like he deserves everything that's happened to him now.
So to get him more into more details, like he

(01:06:14):
actually gets frustrated with himself when we do wrong. You know,
he doesn't get frustrated with us, but with himself. That
that's something crazy to feel like. And there's somebody concerts
that you think like, Okay, he's a say, like he
doesn't have anything crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
He doesn't like killing English, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
But for now, I literally think he's top three coach
of the entire world.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
There's not a coach that is close to him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
You know, I don't even know like the work from
other coaches, but I just feel like he has such
quality work that you cannot measure it when he results,
you know. So he helps alults with the micro and
micro of course every coach does that. But he also

(01:07:04):
doesn't speak things just because you know, like he speacked
stuff that he thinks it will affect us in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
He won't talk about a specific situation in a game
that won't happen every again in like I don't know,
twenty matches, but he will think about the future and say, Okay,
if this happens again, it will probably be next match,
you know, so he should fixit it now. So he's
after the game, he just tolds you, Okay, this is

(01:07:34):
probably gonna happen again, try and get into get your
mind to not do it again if it happens, trying
but trying to not do it again, you know. Also,
apart from things from the game, he also helps you
a lot with my personal issues, with your relationship issues,
anything you just can't talk, like if he's a one

(01:07:56):
for more. And also when you're having problems with your
inmates or anything like that you need to get your
stuff out of your chest.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Basically that I feel like usually that doesn't happen often
in apexagence or.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Like, instead of doing like this, they just do it
like now, they just throw everything, you know, like it
just everything just blotes, and that's usually when teams fall apart. Basically,
you know, So I feel like He helps a lot
with that too, so he's a very complete coach overall.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
The only thing, of.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Course, is he doesn't speak English, so you couldn't get
to know his personality a bit more, you know, but
I think he literally could get poached anytime if he's
speaking English.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Literally.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, it's it's crazy. You're You're the first member from
Liquid that we've got on the show, and we've wanted
to have players from Liquid on the show, but unfortunately
there's a little bit of a gap there, a language
barrier that we haven't been Yeah. Yeah, luckily we have
you though. Luckily you have you. So now I just
wanted to kind of talk more about the essay aspect

(01:09:07):
of everything and moving forward in the future. If you
had the possibility or the ability, if you were in
the driver's seat of Apex Legends, you're the CEO, you're
the boss, you're the owner, how would you make it
to where that region is a little bit more accessible
to competitive?

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
So the problem now is like there isn't enough players
to like, they know, competitive, So what I will lose
is like try and get more involved in the scene.
Of course, you cannot just throw money because it doesn't
work that way you just cannot say, Okay, guys, this
is one hundred K tournament for I say, this doesn't happen,

(01:09:49):
you know, not even five k. So what do we
do is like do a challenge of circuit for free,
try to get people involved, try to get new players in.
Do something that helps to get more people involved, not
only because they could you could get it generate players
from there, but also because you can generate.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Some enthusiasts from there.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
You know, you can also generate more community, be a
more competitive region overall because you have more players to
do stuff around, and of course it will increase viewership
and stuff like that that it didn't happen and essay
like it happened about a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Now it is just cooked basically.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Sorry, I was muted. Yeah, I think that's that's one
of those one of those things. And I think as
gaming and competitive gaming gets bigger, we're gonna start seeing
more and more of that to where it makes it
to where they're not just I also think another one
would would maybe be holding a land somewhere in South America.
I think that would help out too, because you get
more eyeballs on the sport. Oh yeah, I didn't forgot that. Yeah,

(01:10:58):
it might inspire somebody out the crowd to be like,
oh man, I want to try and see if I
could do that, and you never know what could happen,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Yeah, the only problem that you could be you couldn't
be like any guys such as being what you're wall.
It's like hanging around you. Yeah, it will be cool
like in Bracil or stuff like that. It will be
like a crack land, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
I think in CS they do a lot of the
majors in Bracil and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Like that's some crazy part of stuff for it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
So, moving off from from South America's stuff, I did
want to get to the way you play in your
play style, especially when it comes to Newcastle and right now,
obviously Newcastle is one of those characters that needs to
be played if you're playing in a competence or whatever
it may be. And I think what players who aren't

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pro struggle with is when and how to play the
character when it comes to being aggressive, because you still
have to be a part of the team, but you
also have to make sure that you don't go down,
because if you can go down, basically everything is over.
So for you personally, how have you been able to
balance making sure you play aggressive but also making sure

(01:12:04):
you don't go over the top and get yourself in
a bad spot.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
So basically I was like I was a fragger, I
yelling like So swapping from like Bangler and stuff like
that to Newcastle was a really like had.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Transition.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
So basically the first like three days, I will be
a mourn you know, I will throw myself and die
basically every single time. But as I get it like
to play more, I started grinding a lot, you know,
with the Newcastle, I started getting more comfortable with the
character and most of the piers now the main reason
that they don't do well. I feel like it's like

(01:12:43):
literally the Newcastle feel like, okay, you cannot die, bro,
just don't do anything, just stay behind us, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
But it doesn't work that way.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
You know, if you get one player out of the equation,
in the aggravation, it just everything changes, you know. So
so being too able to balance your aggression and when
to play it safe, it's like it will make a
huge difference. That's why every single tech, every single time,
I'll talk about timings. If you have a really good

(01:13:15):
timing in your team, like the synergy is there, you're
all three pushing like it doesn't matter if you're aggressive
or not. Just gonna steamroll a team for free, you know,
and even if your Newcastle dies, just gonna get rest
by your Gibee or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
You know, it's not that hard.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
So yeah, just gonna get really comfortable with the character
and then not caring too much about Okay, I we
have a lot of weight on my shoulders.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I shouldn't die.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Of course you shouldn't die, But it doesn't mean that
you cannot do an entry sometimes, you know. Of course,
sometimes you're gonna fact up everything that happens, like you're
not gonna play perfect, but just try to get one
percent better each day, know or selo point one percent?
Just don't do like random staff. Just think about it.

(01:14:05):
If you think he makes sense, do it. If you
don't think it makes sense, don't do it. You know,
just gotta find that Madge every single time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
And so did.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
You do you feel like you were forced onto Newcastle
because you play him in kay?

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
I feel like, I mean no, like I think I
would have been playing Gibbie. But I don't know why Jack,
Why is this weird world. So he's been playing Gibbe
for three years, so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
He's explaining it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
But I don't think it was a bad fit too
for me to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Play Newcastle leader. You know. I feel like a Roller
could play it. It's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
So Shulby is playing it from C nine and he's
like a fucking king. You cannot kill that guy. He's
a boss brother, you know, he's I think he's literally
top one like Newcastle right now.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
He's so good with.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
It, So I don't feel like it's like a very
character for MNK or Roller.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
I think he's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
I just think you're gonna play put a very aggressive
guy on it, you know, like you could play it.
But he's gonna have to change a lot of his
games plays out. And I wanted to talk about that
about that to Jaguarres, but he was so good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I give it that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
It didn't make sense, you know. So I think we
stay this way. Everything is working out. Just keep playing
this way and see how we do in regionals, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
And everything was fine.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
So I feel I don't feel like the the MK
and m Kay's catching is like now it's really balanced.
You don't have to be emy kare or something to
play it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I like that we finally reached a point where we
don't have to have this debate every five Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
No, I feel like we're really bads around Like it's decent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, we don't have to worry about it anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
If SMG madea though comes back, we're cooked.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
But it is right, if we're going to McDonald's, it
is it is like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yeah, uh so we haven't talked about the move to
Liquid yet and the opportunity you got with Liquid, and
I think, you know, unless somebody was paying attention real
deep to everything that was going on, there was probably
a large portion of the fan base who didn't really
know your name before coming to Liquid. And now you

(01:16:16):
come in here, you step into this team, you step
into this roster, and all of a sudden things are
massively different and you're growing, the team's growing. Obviously you
just win the BLGs. It's such a big moment. How
big has the move to Liquid been for you? And
just as an org, how much do you appreciate them
for giving you that chance to hop on?

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Bro?

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
It literally changed my life, like not joking, like in
these two months, like it's like for me, it's not
like an org, but it's like more of a family.
They're always trying to help you, Like they always thinking
about long term. They're always thinking about like helping you
out to perform, Like they don't they're ok I feel

(01:16:58):
like they're okay with not having results immediately, but as
it is such a good organ and they provide a
lot to the table, so they just think about the
long term and they just want you to improve, you know,
team best. A lot of in the team, they put
in the time. They just needed to help you with
any necessity.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
That you need.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Plus they give to a lot of shit, you know.
So yeah it helps a lot. Like plus I don't
think this trip wouldn't be posted without them either, Like
they helped with everything in from their part. So yeah,
being part of a team Liquid, is this like a
game changer for it would be our game children for

(01:17:41):
every single prod you know. So yeah, I'm really appreciative
of their the opportunity to me basically.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
And so you like obviously eyes are on Tokyo and
then you're just focused on that, but when if you
if we zoom out a little bit and we look
at Apex as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
How do you feel about it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
As a like professional player and where do you feel
like Apex is in terms of like you stay of
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
So, of course I don't feel like a DA professional,
but I don't need to put in the work as
Adora professional. So I think I'm really comfortable now. I
feel like eight hours a day is enough. I don't
feel like it's like I, Okay, I'm set for life,

(01:18:32):
you know, as some other birds from other games. You know,
I'm not really that comfortable with it, but I feel
like there's a little a lot of room for improvement
from them, not apart from the e sports scene, but
for the casual scene too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
So I don't think it's like, Okay, this game is cooked.
You know. There's a lot of stuff to do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
Like, there's a lot of opportunities to take, there's a
lot of changes to do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
I don't really know why they're not doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
I think like they said something about the operas or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
I'm just playing, you know, I don't care about that's fu. So, yeah,
i feel I'm like I'm good right now. I'm not
uncomfortable with the situation, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
Yeah, I would definitely say, like, I feel like it's
it's probably like the one of the worst I've seen it,
but even like now, I like genuinely think that like
they're like the best days of Apex have yet to
be played, and that like out of scourt, it still
has so many good things that it can do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Yeah, i't there with you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Of course you're gonna say, like every single time, Okay,
that last land's crazy, this one it's not that good,
But it always happens, you know. Everyone sometimes looks at
the best and says, Okay that those times were the
golden times, you know, But I feel like we're in
the golden times right now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Like I feel like.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Apex is in the best day that he's it's ever been,
but not for the benefit of players, Like it's only
for the benefit of EA, you know. I feel like
they're just I don't know, there's just milk and epis
at this point, Like they're just not doing a lot
of improvements at the game. They're doing a lot of changes,

(01:20:13):
but they're not like getting the full potential that they
could get.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Yeah, I think another thing that correlates with it is
how long it's been since our last Land, and I
really truly believe that competitive fuels this game. It fuels
the passion for players to want to play because even
though a lot of those players will never get to
that point, having the ability to watch the best in
the world go at it is awesome. And this has

(01:20:38):
been the biggest break that I can remember since we
started to show, like the most amount of time since
we've had another Land. So I think that ties in
with people's feelings of the game because what happens after
every single Land, it's always you see a bunch of
tweets like I'm gonna lock in. You know, this is
why you see it every single time. Passion all time high,

(01:20:59):
every time, every single So I think that ties into
a little bit. Also, I do think that EA and
Respond kind of saved some of their advertising dollars because
they knew a Call of Duty was coming out when
the new season dropped, So that's always going to take
a lot and there were some other titles that have
come out right now, but you can already see and

(01:21:20):
this happens every year a big game comes out and
then immediately something happens. We already have Call of Duty
players saying Warzone is dead because the anti cheat is
so bad that, yeah, no want to play. So it's
one of those things. It's the ebb and flow of
the gaming community. I also think that with pro sometimes
when you're sinking forty to fifty hours into a game,
it's basically becoming your full time job. It is your

(01:21:43):
full time job. And I've never really met somebody who
just absolutely is like, my full time job is the
greatest of all time. They're like, they might believe that,
but there's times where you feel shitty, Like there's times
where you're like, damn, I really don't want to do
this right now. So I think that's kind of where
we're at. It's just a lot of people are a
little bit burnt out because you're spending a lot of

(01:22:03):
time on the game. And there's also hasn't been Champs yet,
but I think when Champs comes back around, things are
going to turn around.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be like that way too.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Like, of course the game has its ups and downs,
like every single Dame has, But after Champs, I feel like,
as you said, the habit is gonna revive. Basically, everyone
is gonna be like, Okay, this team one like this
is crazy, you know, stuff like that, the idea, I
completely agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
And at the point, yeah, so now let's get into
champs and Japan. Where's your confidence level at with the team?
Because obviously you played in the Americas and you guys
were the number one team coming out of there, and
it really I mean you guys, I think at two
second places to wins. So you guys were really cruising
through most of that tournament. But now you've got some

(01:22:53):
other big name teams out there, some other big name regions.
Where where's your confidence level at going into this?

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
I feel like for now, as the meta it is
right now, I feel like we're the best, if not
the best. We're podium three at least team in the world,
so I'm feeling really comfortable with it. I feel like
there could be some changes for next season, so we
will be looking at that base two. I don't think

(01:23:22):
they're going to do like too many meta changes before
a championship with two weeks of practice, but yeah, I
feel like if the meta doesn't stop around too much,
I feel like we're at least of three in the land,
like not even a question about it. So America's is
like basically the twenty best teams in NA, and I
feel like the best teams in NA is the joenty

(01:23:44):
best teams in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
So going to a land, I.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Don't think it will be easier, but I think it's
going to be like around the same. We're a little
bit harder, not that much.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
So this is by far, like the most confident you
felt going into any land.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Yeah, not only because yeah, yeah, not only because of
the results, but because of the back end, the like
work that we put in, you know, like there's no
way for us to do bad if we just put
in the work that is needed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
You know, I like it. I like it. That would
be funny though if they changed the entire meta too.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
Like like that, Like I would feel bad for all
of you guys, obviously, but as somebody who runs the
pot on this, I would just be laughing a little
bit because it'd just be like, why why would you
do that?

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Yeah, that wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Crazy move, But you know we've seen crazier in Apex.
I mean we've seen some crazy stuff. We've seen some
crazy stuff. Do you have anything else for him? Before
we before we round this one out?

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
I got the good old question.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Okay, you want to hit them with good question.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
Yeah, So the question that I ask everybody who comes on,
because everybody who comes on is performing in the top
one percent of the field that they're pursuing, and you
most certainly fit the bill for that. Okay, So the
question is what is the most important thing that you've
learned that's allowed you to get to this point that somebody,
regardless of the field that they were pursuing, could take

(01:25:18):
and apply and help on their journey of being in
the top one percent.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
So for me, it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Motivation is something you shouldn't pursue basically, Like motivation is
going to come around when you win, and that's something
that will happen probably, but you're not going to win
in competitive every single time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
That just doesn't happen, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
So for me, it's like this alway light I always
light at the end of the tunnel. So no matter
what is happening now, you should just keep being disciplined,
going to focus on energy objective, trying to improve every
single day. Joe, just don't like when you have a
really shitty day, just don't go Okay, I just don't

(01:26:04):
want to do this there now, like you can take
a day off, but just don't take it like a
week off, you know, just try and stay at it,
you know, even if you're down, you know, pursue your dreams. Basically,
that's it. That's everything that I want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Beautiful. I love it. Well, Corev. It's been awesome having
you on. You're the first time we've ever had somebody
from Liquid on here, so it's it's nice to finally
be able to bridge that gap and and have the
team on here. So we really appreciate your insight. And
hopefully next time we talk to you you have that
trophy from Japan.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Yeah, I will have it, no problem. Yeah, yeah, it's
all good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
There you go. I love it, man, I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
I just wanted to say thank you for the opportunity
for you at and ninok. Like, it's been really fun
to do this podcast. And I don't feel like my
English is quite there yet, but it's like getting there,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
So amazing, absolutely, just it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Once again, man, thank you so much. Thank you for
your time, and we'll be watching you. We'll be rooting
for you from over.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Here, all right. I see, Yes, I love you. Man,
thank you for the works of anything. Hey

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