Episode 111: ALGS Sapporo Champs Preview: Group D....Group of Contenders

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
What Stop.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Everyone, Welcome back to another edition of the Apex the Podcast,
Ladies and Gentlemen, the final episode of our Champs minisod
series where we're going through every single group, talking about
every single team and what they need to do to
win a land and their strengths and weaknesses heading into Supporo.

(00:35):
Thank you guys for tuning in to this entire series.
It's been a fun time. It's been great having the
special guests that we've had on. It's been a good time.
But now we are into the final final group, and
I think that this is the only other group in
my opinion, my humble opinion, that could contend with Group A,
the Group of Death that we have named. This group

(00:55):
is pretty damn good as well. And we're going to
go through every single team here, and I feel like
you got to start off with one of the best,
and that's going to be Alliance. We've got Hackers effect
unlucky Alliance. Now, Donnie, you've already talked about this team
in the very first episode of this minisod series and
you said in your opinion that this was the team

(01:18):
to beat. This was one of the I think you
named two two teams to beat an Alliance was one
of them. What is so great about this Alliance squad?
And why are you so confident in Alliance heading into Suppora.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean I think you just look at this
year that they've had and it's arguably one of the
best years. You know, a team that could a team
could have. You know, obviously a TSM in year three
had the first second first, so kind of hard to
argue with with that one being the best probably, but
Alliance this year has been an incredible team to watch.

(01:54):
They've made some adjustments with how they kind of play
and how they structure some of their fights to really
put effect and Unlucky in the spotlight of Damn, these
two guys can just absolutely frag I mean, it's been
it's been a lot of fun to watch. It's been
a roster that, again, I think Hawks before he won

(02:15):
the East fourths World Cup, was on that short list
of the igls that were like, it's just a matter
of time before he wins because again, the roster that
they had when Yuki was there, Mandy filling in, I mean,
they they've always just been a roster that's been neared
about one of the better teams in the World especially
when they got past the allegations of just being a
group stage team. But yeah, it's just it's been a

(02:38):
lot of fun to watch. The biggest thing that I
noticed that Hawk has hasn't even talked about, is that
he kind of switched up his positioning in fights. Where
he used to kind of be one of the two
people that was more out front and they played with
a traditional anchor, whereas he's kind of igling and anchoring
at the same time, and a lot of a lot
of the time he was using like a pathfinder to
where if he needed to swing in with a fight,

(02:59):
he had the mobile of the path finer to get in.
But I mean, he's honestly just basically total Effect and
Unlucky Hate is take angles in these fights, get these
opening picks, and we'll be able to wipe anybody possible.
I mean, I think everybody remembers the clip from winning
the Sports World Cup that last game where Effect is
just swinging with the havoc and is absolutely nuking everybody.
I'm Lucky doing the same thing, and I mean they

(03:20):
were already celebrating before the game is even over, and
it Tacacas tell them to shut the fuck up and
shoot their gun. So like it's a team that, when
they're playing well, is extremely confident, can fight anybody, has
a very smart IGL. They can put them in spots
to win games. Honestly had a chance, if not for
a zip line Bug, to potentially win Split two playoffs
as well. So it's just a team up and down.

(03:43):
There's really not a hole in this roster. Igl great fragging, potential,
great rotates, decision making. It's just they've got everything you'd
want in a roster. And yeah, I think them, along
with Moist, Slash, Shopify Rebellion, are probably the two teams
that maybe just a little bit out in front of
about four or five other teams behind them.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Now you know, talking about Alliance here, this is a
team that, if there wasn't a Pathfinder, zip line Bug
Glitch maybe even wins Split two playoffs and go back
to back from Esports World Cup to Split two.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Just one little play kind of ruins it for them.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
But like Donnie has said, they are in top form
heading into this land. What do you think needs to
go right for them to once again hoist that trophy?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I mean it already happened. Affect out his visa and so.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
That is such a good point.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I mean, the visas are in, like, well, there's nothing
else to say, Like, it's a guaranteed top five, no question.
I would say, like, out of all of the teams
out there, this team is without a doubt guarantee top five,
come come finals, without question. I would tell you, without question,

(05:06):
top three.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, And it just goes to show the form that
they're in right now where it just seems like everybody's
talking about them. But going back to what you alluded
to earlier, don I think perfectly sums up hackis where
everybody's excited, they're about to celebrate, and he's saying, shut
the fuck up and shoot your gun. I think that's
the type of guy you need to lead in the team.
You know, that clip is hilarious. That's one of my
favorite clips of all time. It's just great. But as

(05:29):
far as what could go wrong for Alliance now once again,
they did hold the title for a very long time.
Of the group stage team and Donnie, we talked a
lot about how good this team can be and like
the likelihood of them once again having a great performance.
But if things were to fall off, if there was
a issue if there was a problem, a lingering issue

(05:50):
that maybe people aren't looking at with this team, what
do you think it would be.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, I think there's one smaller problem that we saw,
and then just one kind of general problem with teams
that are that good that they could maybe run into.
The smaller one being is that can they flex their
power on Stormpoint to own both North Pad and tried it.
We've seen most of the time they generally get that
those two pois to themselves. But there is one group

(06:19):
where I believe it's n r G is the team
that did take North Pad while Alliance has tried it,
and we saw with Fanatic when they did that at
the I believe it was split two playoffs that definitely
threw a wrench in their game. And as we know,
momentum is such a big thing in APEX and just
really any Battle Royale in general. So if they run

(06:41):
into that same issue where that kind of slowed them
down and caused them some issues. Obviously we saw them
go on and play well and end up being close
to winning. But those are just extra factors that you
have to factor in when you're already talking about your
map rotates, ring knowledge, your fight knowledge, you know what
teams are surrounding you. It's just that one extra variable

(07:02):
that it's great if you don't have to deal with it.
So we'll see if that ends up being a problem.
My guess is that probably won't because they probably learned
their lessons from the first time. But I think the
only other problem would be kind of what moist Shopify's
problem would be is do they overcook. Do they get
in a situation where they overextend just that little bit

(07:24):
because they know they can. You know, when you're that
good of a team, there's really not too many fights
that you're uncomfortable taking. And it really is just up
to Hakkas as the very seasoned ideal that he is,
to really just make sure that they're in the right
position at the right time. And I think credit to
even Affect and Unlucky too, is that I don't think
what's something that's not talked about as much is that
their position is just as good. You know, obviously they

(07:46):
can frag out, they can absolutely nuke anybody in a
one v one, but I also think they set themselves
up very well in fights to take the angles they
need to get the opening damage they need. But it's
just about, Okay, you get that first squad wipe, can
you reset and make sure you don't overextend into another
fight that you don't need to take as long as
they're doing that, which, again, if I'm betting my money,

(08:07):
I bet that they would probably be able to make
that decision right most of the time. But that is
just again with teams that are that good that it
ultimately is gonna be the question is can you make
sure you don't overcook at the wrong time?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah? Yeah, So that is alliance.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
For any new listeners who haven't stopped by and checked
out our show before. We do have an interview with hackas,
which I believe to be one of my favorite, not
favorite interviews, one of our best interviews as far as
just learning information. Hackis was very serious, just like he
was and the joke we made earlier in that game
where he's like, just shut the fuck up, we got
to focus here. He was very He didn't tell us

(08:39):
to shut the fuck up in the interview, but when
you ask him questions about the technical side of the game,
he was very open to answering those and actually had
a very interesting idea of how they should run scrims
in the future. So if you're new here, go stop by,
go check out that interview. I would highly suggest that one.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I'll say too real, very good one. I'll say too
real quick for those who don't know the story. They
had won one of the BLGs days, and so with
BLGs you automatically qualified the regional finals, so it didn't
matter what else they were doing. If you want to
talk about a team that's informed, I'll just say so
they They probably wouldn't get in trouble if I said
what they actually were doing. But let's just say they

(09:17):
add a lot of juice and their BLGs Day three
to where they had to turn off their Twitch streams
because they were so juiced. But they were also still
winning the BLGs day. So hawkas very much can chill
out and have a good time. Four house serious of
a player. He does treat it because he does. It's

(09:38):
just he treats it like it's his job, which I
think more people probably should do in the scene, and
I think he does a very good job of professionally
approaching the game to set his teams up for success.
And I think that's why we see the guy. You know,
he's nine for nine in terms of making it to
land and being successful in lands. So it's just, yeah,
it's a guy that just ultimately, through and through is

(10:00):
one of the most professional players out there.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
No, and yeah, and I didn't mean to make him
sound like he's an asshole or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I hope that's not how that came across.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
But if you have ever like if you're working a job,
there's always a guy at work who's very serious, but
if you ever run into an issue, you know you
can ask that person for help. That there always seems
to be that person there, and that that's what Hackers
reminds me of. He also has a military background as well,
and if you listen to that interview, he talks a
little bit about how that helps him regiment his time

(10:28):
and do all that kind of stuff. And like Donnie said,
he does treat it like it like it's a job.
And there are a lot of people in the scene
who don't and don't take it very seriously and honestly
don't respect it, you know, as much as they should.
And Hackis is definitely not one of those guys. And
it shows up in the performances and the earnings at
the end of the day. So big shout out to Alliance,
big shout out to hackis go check out that interview. Now,

(10:51):
moving off from Alliance, we're going to go into Crazy
Raccoons here, and I feel like that a lot of
people are forgetting about this team.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
They did win Split one playoffs in Los Angeles. They
had a weird turnaround where they obviously don't make Split
two playoffs, and there was a lot of people wondering why.
It was very close it was at the end, but
the entire season they were kind of struggling and then
they go ahead and they win their BLGs region. So, Donnie,
this team is confusing as shit. Where do you stand

(11:23):
with Crazy Raccoon?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean we obviously saw the performance they put
in at Split one playoffs kind of was the team
that finally broke the mold of TSM or Dark Zero
being the only Land winners that we had ever had,
So you figured after that they would probably be able
to roll and be one of those teams that we
kind of put in that same category. But like you said,

(11:49):
they end up struggling during Split two. They end up
making a roster change, they end up making an org change.
One of the few trades I've ever seen happen in Apex.
For those who don't know, they are traded front Reject
Winnity to Crazy Raccoon, basically just swap two players for
two players. Seemed to be there was kind of some
I don't want to say issues, but just kind of

(12:10):
miscommunication between Obili in Saint June and their old third
who is Carampu. So I think that's why ultimately maybe
held them back during Split two playoffs. Unfortunately, they play
at some crazy times, so I don't really get to
see Pro League too much for Apac North, But you
want to talk about a team that bounced back and

(12:30):
played has played much better lately. Like you mentioned, they
won BLGs for the APAC North region, which again is
a very tough and chaotic region, so definitely on the upside.
And again when you mention guys winning lands, especially within
you know the past year, you have to factor they're
you have to factor that team in, especially when they're

(12:53):
going to be in their own region for this land.
They're gonna have a lot of backing at this land
and it'll be very interesting to see how they do
because I kind of put them in that next group
of about five teams that should definitely be considered a
land contender just because based off of you just you
have to accommodate for OPI and Saint June having that prior.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Experience Obie with one of the coldest looks into the
camera after winning a land just cold, just absolutely cold,
just unpromptedly cold. And so they also get the logo
buff by the way, quickly, logo Buff or Crazy Raccoon.
I'll also throw this their way, name Buff. I mean,
that's an interesting name. You know a lot of times
in gaming you just kind of get like crazy adjectives

(13:36):
for the names we have crazy, but then you add
in the raccoon, you get both sides of it. So
name Buff, logo Buff. They've already won before, lots to
love about this Crazy Raccoon squad. Now, don if things
were to hold them back, and I'm sure we can
really just look back to the split two run during
you know, during Pro league. What would be the thing
that holds them back and prevents them from, you know,

(13:58):
eventually having a good Land.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Before I get into that, I'll say real quick too,
shout out to the org Crazy Raccoon as well, because
they are hosting some of the NA teams right now
for some of their boot camps. So shout out to
them for just being a part of the scene and
doing that for some of these teams to come over
to make the adjustment because they obviously don't have to
do that, you know, but they offer their facilities and
made that workout. So definitely shout out to c R

(14:22):
for that. But to answer the question with what could
hold them back, honestly, just think it's probably Jusna. I
think that him having to come into this team and
kind of figure out where he's at when it comes
to playing with these guys on a land at the
big stage. How does he look? You know, how does

(14:44):
that go? I think they've made the adjustment to the
meta very well, so I think ultimately it'll come down
to how he plays. Can he keep pace? Can he
help them have success with this land, because I think
the ingredients already there. They showed it. They play zone
very well, They take very smart thirty v threes and

(15:04):
position themselves very well. I mean, we saw just from
Jay's video about how they got to that game winning
spot being kind of that third or fourth team to
get to the game winning spot. And then ultimately holding
out excuse me, disguised to win that last fight in
order to get them to win. That's play one, playoff.
So the ingredients are there, it's just how do they

(15:26):
play with Tusta and can they ultimately just repeat the
success they've already had?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Perfect? Perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Now we move on from Crazy Raccoon back into a
North American team in Team Envy. We've got Dropped Knocked Yanya,
coached by Raven and e.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'll throw it to you first.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
This time we have a roster that earlier in some
other episodes we talked about if you're just looking at
names on a sheet and you have it all laid
out in front of you. This has to be one
of those where you look at and you kind of
raise your eye brows a little bit. You might want
to circle that one because these are some high profile names.
This is a high profile team, and maybe it seemed

(16:07):
that a lot of people aren't talking about heading into
this land. So for you looking at a team MV,
what's your expectation for how well this squad can perform
at at this land.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I think it'll be interesting to see how Dropped is
going to be able to take this team, and they
kind of swapped out their support player for someone who's
like much more aggressive, and so it'll be interesting to
see how this all fits income game day and how
they'll really be able to perform and pop off. They
definitely have a ton of skill and success and I

(16:45):
think that Yanya is an excellent pickup for them. And
Dropped is another one of those igls who's in a
very similar position as Sweet, who's known as just an
incredibly talented player but still has yet to bring home
a land And so could this be the land win
four Dropped Picky with Yanya and Knocked, I definitely think

(17:06):
that there's a strong chance that this will be one
of the better performances that they'll have as a team
to date. I mean, obviously like talking about Dropped and
Knocked together, and so they definitely got they were they
they knocked on the door as optic, and so they
have the experience, they have the will to win, and

(17:29):
it'll just come down to if they can really just
put it together and make the right plays in the
right moments.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, so going over to you down, they did drop
shueby who right now, a lot of the hype and
buzz around Shoeby is how good he is at Newcastle.
Do you think that the I don't even want to
call it a drop off because I feel like that'd
be disrespectful to Yanya. But do you feel like the
different roles in how they've swapped around can affect this

(17:56):
team in a negative way going into Sapporo?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think anytime that you make a change,
it can it opens the door for, you know, either
side of the coin to happen. You know, whether they
end up getting better, whether they you know, potentially not
play as well together. I think what we've seen with
them on the good side of things is that Yanio's
fit in very well, because obviously people were to wonder
how he would make that adjustment to not playing with

(18:22):
his longtime teammates for so long, And I think him
and Dropt have actually developed a really good chemistry to
almost co igl together, which I thought Yanio would come
in and more just focus on fragging. But I think
it's been really cool to see for his experience of
NIGL has dropped is I mean, again, he's another guy
that has seven top tens in a land and I

(18:42):
think again is on that short list of guys that
like is due for a land win, like he had
mentioned with Optic Knocked on the door there, it's really
cool to see that he's made that adjustment to working
with Yanya really incorporating his skill set, because I think
ultimate at the end of the day, you have Yanna
and Shue Beard is two very different players, and I
think that what Yanya brings is more of an aggressive

(19:07):
Kohi Gelling type style. It's where the Knocked kind of
slides over to more of a pure anchor role and
does his thing where he's been an anchor for so
many good quality teams for so long. I think it's
a guy that maybe doesn't play the Newcastle as well
as Shoeby, but we all know Knocked he's a player

(19:27):
that's been around for so long a lot of teams
have wanted him to be their anchor. I mean, I
know Zach Maser mentioned that there was a possibility of
playing with him when the EA situation had happened, So
ultimately I think it's just Yanya brings something different. Yeah,
then maybe a little lose a little bit on the
Newcastle side of things, but what Yanni can bring with

(19:48):
the igl part of it and the fragging part of
it it I think will definitely only help in this situation.
So time will tell. You know, if it's a Newcastle
play that it comes down to do they wish they
had should be at this point? I don't think so,
just because I think they've made that adjustment well enough.
But yeah, we'll just have to see how they play

(20:09):
at a land together. That ultimately is the question, you know, right,
is how they How do they look at a land?
You can look as goosy wan and SCRAMs and BLGs,
but ultimately the land's gonna tell.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I guess The biggest question for me with Team NV
is does their ceiling move from six or seventh in
a finals lobby to maybe a third or fourth, maybe
even a first, because when they were playing as Bleed,
I swear they either got sixth or seventh. Every single
time I watched them play, it was like clockwork. Every
single time it was like sixth or seventh the ceiling.

(20:42):
It has to be a win. It has to be
a win. I mean, this is one of those teams
you put on the short list where you would not
be surprised whatsoever if they walked away with some hardware, right,
non yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
And I mean, and like I mentioned before, I think
there's about five teams or so that are kind of
in that group that's right behind the top two, and
I think they definitely can be one of those teams.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
They got all the ingredients to be a very successful team,
a team that makes it the match point. And like
you said, you know, Dropped had the run with Optic
where they got the match point in four games and
if it wasn't for a crazy try and play of
Energy barely beating them to the game winning spot, you know,
he might be a land winner already. So the ingredients
are definitely there. They're a team that would not shock

(21:27):
I think most people if they won again. It just
ultimately comes down to can they just make that final
game winning play that has just been missing for so long.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Some would say that they that they'd be shocked if
they didn't place at least six. Yeah, maybe they would
say that if you needed a team to place fifth
or sixth, if your life depended on it, that there's
one team that you call and that would be Envy.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
It'd be that as a quote from my man, why.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean there's you'd say, like their ceiling is first,
their floor is sixth, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Which I mean, that's your ceiling. I mean I would
take that in an absolute artb Yeah, yeah, you're.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
If your floor is making a finals lobby and getting seventh,
that's a good floor to have, Like, that's a great
floor to have. A lot of teams would want that floor.
So that's where we're at with Team Envy. Now moving
on to the connection of the next team. This is
Team Liquid and obviously Yanya has moved on from Team Liquid.
They were a long standing team for a very long time.

(22:33):
They had been together, and it just never felt like
they were able to have that finals performance that they
ever wanted.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
So everything changes.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
They move forward with Karev, which, by the way, for
anybody listening for the very first time of the show,
I highly suggest listening to the interview that and Me
and Enoch had with Karev just a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
It was awesome. It was a great time.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Going into it, me and eden't really know what to
expect because you know, it's just we had really talked
about him that much on the show previously. He hops
on and it was awesome. It was a great time.
So go check that out to Karev great players, is
going to be awesome to see him at Lynn. Now,
Donnie going into Team Liquid here, you still have Nizl

(23:15):
and Yeguadas. Now you adding Karev to this squad. Where
do you see them moving forward in Champs?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
So I think if you take the teams of recent
that probably gained the most from BLGs, I think it
was this team. I think, no questions asked. I think
that them coming out and winning the America's Regional was
a big deal for them because not only does that
put them obviously on the map for everybody else, but

(23:44):
that kind of just gives them that boost right away. Right,
Like you make a change, obviously Gania leaves the roster,
longtime trio that was together. You had Karev, who has
been around but hasn't quite been on a team that's
been of this caliber. Right it's his first big org
for the who don't know. He's the Man's played in Amya,
he's played in South America, he's now playing in an A,

(24:07):
and it's just he's been a guy that we've now
see what his potential is and it's been incredible to
see his come up but also kind of see Mayziel
and Aguais get the respect that they deserve as players
now because I think a lot of people really focus
just on Yanya at times, which rightfully so you know,

(24:28):
Yanya was a very good player and still is. But
I think they also are owed a lot of respect
as well, because you know, they were the team, all
three of them, that set the kill record at at
Land for the longest time. I mean, it was like
a twenty three twenty four kill game, I believe, which
is one of the most insane games I've ever seen
anybody have. They're a team that always is in the conversation.

(24:50):
They've only only had like one or two lands where
they kind of struggled at times, but typically you're used
to seeing this trio in the top ten. And so
them get Karev, a player that definitely is on the
come up, and now that they figure out the IGL
situation with Hakuaraz being the one that's taken over, the
sky's the limit with this team. Again, my personal opinion

(25:13):
is that this might slightly be a little bit more
Group of Death, but again, I think you're splitting the
hairs between Group A and Group D. And the fun
thing for us is that depending on how things shake out.
Avers D is the last group stage. So if there's
any of these teams in these two groups that are
struggling for points, you're it's gonna be a very big
effort to have to qualify if you have to do

(25:35):
it in this group. So the best thing for these
teams is just get your points out of the way
before we have to go to the absolute shit show
that's gonna be this lobby because there's just so many
good teams. But yeah, Laquid, Again, I think in that
group of five or six teams that definitely have a
chance to win, you'd be dumb not to include these guys.
And again, if you're talking about a team that has

(25:57):
potentially the best form of anybody right now, maybe outside
of Alliance, it's probably liquid.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, And I love the point that you brought up
about that because a lot of times with these squads,
either they've played with each other before or they've been
on the team together in previous times and so they BLGs.
It really didn't do a whole lot for a lot
of teams. Some teams didn't even get to play with
each other because of certain problems or whatever it may be.

(26:22):
With this team they needed to play together because you
go from a long time trio, now you're adding in
a new face to the fold, and they end up
winning the whole damn thing. And especially with Krev going
back and talking about that interview that we had, I mean,
the guy's dedication is off the charts. He's gone to
three different regions, which is not easy to do. I'll

(26:43):
leave a little bit up to listening to the interview
to hear how stressful and tough that was for him
at that time. But it's just incredibly awesome to see
a player of his caliber be able to jump onto
a squad learn a lot from playing in that BLGs.
And this is where I think the BLGs is going

(27:03):
to be so crucial in years coming up. Is this
exact situation where there are there's a very dedicated group
of players who desperately need a little bit of extra
time to figure out everybody's role. A major part of
this whole team and why they needed to play this
was because they didn't understand who was going to play IGL.
For a long time, Carevi had played IGL on a

(27:26):
lot of the teams that he had been on. He
had to take a step back, they kind of figure
out who's going to be better in that role, and
because of the extra time from the BLGs, they're able
to figure it out. This is where it's going to
be crucial in the future, and I really really hope
that we continue to have the BLGs so that we
can see situations like this play out like they have

(27:47):
and obviously we haven't seen how this is all going
to shake out. I mean, Liquid could miss the finals Lobby,
but I would be very, very surprised if that were
the case. And I think the BLGs allows things like
this to happen, which is why I'm so happy that
it came through. And at the beginning of this podcast,
Kok we had talked about how we needed a little
bit more opportunity for like a smaller tournament with you know,

(28:11):
players who may not be able to make that big roster,
yet be able to play and figure out where they
fit in this role. BLGs allowed that, so I hope
that it comes back in the future and we get
to see more success stories like a guy like Krrev.
So that is Team Liquid, ladies and gents. Let's move

(28:31):
on into dream Fire here, don dream Fire feels like
a name I've heard for a very long time. It
seems like there's always a dream Fire roster heading into
the playoffs. So let's talk a little bit about DF.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, you're definitely right on that point. There a team
A and a ORG that we've known to be around
and we typically see at times perform very well at lands.
At times they maybe fall off, but typically you hear
that name and you I believe pretty decent travel fans

(29:10):
wise as well from what I've heard. So definitely a
team that there's potential there. We've seen them play well.
They finished seventh a year three champs for those that remember,
they've made some adjustments with I ate the world is
the guy's name. Shout out to that name. By the way,
that's a crazy name to have in video games. But uh,

(29:33):
you know, if you watch him play though, and watch
how these guys play, they just feed him everything. He
is very nasty as a fragger. I mean I've literally
watched some of their VODs and anytime they picked up
like a Nemesis or the best shotgun, they literally would
drop the gun. They had pay it so he could
come pick it up if he didn't have it already.
So like they know how they need to play. It

(29:55):
is hey, I ate the world, lead us and kill
everything you can. But I mean again, three MZ is
igl and he's had again that prior success at lands
I hate the world. Has worked his way now with
being at Split two playoffs, so he's got that prior experience.
So they're definitely a team that could make a finals run.

(30:16):
I definitely think that is their potential ceiling there. I'm
not sure really about a top ten or anything like
that unless they have kind of the right day, but
they definitely have some firepower. Again, I think they'll be
in that team that fall that falls in like that
seventeenth to like twenty fifth, like somewhere in that area
more than likely. But again, they play very hybrid style,

(30:37):
can play zone, can fight on edge, which usually bodes
well for tournaments like this. Kind of struggled in BLGs.
They got fifteenth in their region. By I know a
Pac South also has some of the craziest regional finals
I've ever seen, so it could have just been one
of those days where chaos just ensued. So I do

(30:57):
expect some good things from them. Is there's a top ten,
probably not, but I do think they're a team that
like we mentioned, you'll hear them at least a couple
times throughout this land, so we'll we'll see where they
end up. But I think there could be some good
things for these.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Guys now if they were to struggle, don Like, if
something was to hold them back. You mentioned how good
I hate the world can be. It's just so funny
to say that, like it it really it really does
make sense too that he's the fragger, because I mean,
your hatred for the world would fuel, you know, your
ability to go out there and kill, So it does

(31:31):
make a lot of sense. But if there was something
that was holding them back in where they performed outside
of where you expected them to, what would that be.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I think it's their overall macro. They definitely have times,
which is kind of a tendency of some of these
teams that play the way they do is they will float,
which basically that means that they don't seem to really
have like a plan to like go in a very
particular direction to get to a spot in zone. They
kind of float between what do we want to go
fight this thing that we hear over here, or do

(32:02):
we want to go take a spot in zone that
we just scan for and we know it's open. So
if they can avoid floating in zone and floating outside
of zone and can really just focus on either we're
gonna go take this fight or we're gonna go find
a good spot in zone. I think that will be
their ultimate question really is just kind of coming down
to having the good rotates, having the quick, smart decisions

(32:24):
you need to have at Lands because again, it Lands,
everything is sped up more, the lights are brighter. You
have to make these decisions a lot faster than you
do in a pro league type situation. So can they
make those decisions better? Can they have better overall macro? Again,
that's really good to decide. What they're ceiling is. If
they do well is because they rotated well make good decisions.
If they did that, it's because they are floating around

(32:46):
the zone and had a hard time making the right
decision at the right time.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
There we go. That is dream fire.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Now we're back to NA and we're back to our
final five squads of Group D. Enoch, I'm gonna start
with you here because this is a team we know
relatively well.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Furio.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yes Sports Now, we've had keon on a good amount
of times and every time Keon has been on, it's
been a great time. We love having Keon on and
talking about everything under the sun with that man. I
also have the most hilarious picture ever taken with me
and Keon. It looked like Shaq and Kevin Hart. Obviously
I am Kevin's situation, you know, so it's a It's

(33:27):
a top five picture of all time. Now, the issue
here Enoch is Split one playoffs, they don't make the finals,
Lobby Split two playoffs, they make the finals, but they
get nineteenth. The only team who did worse than them
was obviously Falcons. It seems like with this team they
struggle with consistency. If they are going to be their
best going into this Champs run, what do they need

(33:51):
to have go for them?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I would say it's really gonna come down to madnessssibility
to like really take an control and put them in
the spots that they need to be. I would say
that Keon is easily one of the best controller players
in the game. Then you look at Vaxlon and like,
people talk about how good Shoeby is on Newcastle, but

(34:16):
Shoeby is not as clean as that man Vacxxlin on
the Castle Vaxlan. I mean it's obviously because he's MMK
where Shoeby's on roller, but like, Vaxlan moves different on castle,
and so you have one, and so like if we're
going to say that Shoeby's like number one castle, I
would say Vaxlan is easily top five without question, and

(34:39):
has a substantial amount of experience on the character and
has been playing with a Newcastle easily longer than anybody
else given his experience with one hundred thieves. While he
wasn't the Newcastle at that time, he still has that
added comfortability around the play style that you have as
a team with a newcastle is as a competitive advantage

(35:01):
over everybody else. And so your support character locked in dialed,
your fragger locked in dialed. The only way that this
doesn't go right is if the IGL is going to
come up short and speaking to short, I mean, Mattress
isn't the tallest guy.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
As soon as you said that, man, I was like, God,
you actually went there, bro.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
But I do think that this is a team that
has a strong chance to really get the job done,
and I would not be surprised if we saw a
for a win.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Now Donnie throwing it on over to you. I don't
know about you, but I'm in the same boat that
you were with Vertus Pro, and it is such a
wild card.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It is such a toss up.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You don't know what you're going to get with those
two squads, because you could have a team that looks
like a world beater and then you get to the
finals lobby and they're non existent. You know that you
just can't find where they are. Does this meta though,
play a little bit more into their hands?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
See?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I think at times it does, but it just it
seems like they get stuck between wanting to play zone
and wanting to take more fights. I think that Madness's
way that he played with CLG, if I remember, was
a little bit more zone oriented, and I think that
is his default at times. But I think when you

(36:29):
have guys like Keon and Vaxlon, who both are very
good in their own right with being in fights and
doing very well. I mean, if a lot of people
may or may not remember Vaxlan one be one how
obviously at a land and was one of the better
clips we saw from that land. So there's a lot
of fighting potential on that team, and obviously Madness is
no slouch with that either, But I know their specialty

(36:52):
is SMG's and I mean everybody knows Madness's R nine
was one of the better ones when R nine was popular.
I think their ultimate question is going to be is
can they finally live up to that potential. I think
a lot of people think they have. We saw they
were one of the better teams during Split two Pro League,
if I remember correctly, for the longest time, and then

(37:15):
once it got closer to land and we got to land,
it just didn't quite click. And it was kind of
the same story and Split one, pretty good feeling about
them going into Split one and they don't even make finals,
and then this Split two playoffs to get like eighteenth
or seventeenth. So it just seems to be can they
get over that mental hurle of playing the way that

(37:37):
they know how to play? Because again, I think you
talk about three guys individually in their own roles are
all very very capable players. You guys have already mentioned
Keon and vax Line, But again, I think Madness, for
whatever you may want to say about things outside the game,
is a very capable player that's been around for a
long time and knows what he needs to do get

(37:58):
the job done. So I think, ultimately, can they get
out of their own way mentally and make the plays
that they know how to make, And I think if
they do that, we'll finally see the potential that I
think they have and I think other people should think
that they have because I think a lot of people
like to talk down on this roster. But if they're
playing right and they are on top of their game,

(38:19):
taking smart fights, rotating very well, they are a very
scary team. Not a lot of people wanted to fight
them at their top when they were playing very well
during NA pro leagues. So time will tell if they
can get consistent, because that, ultimately, again is one of
the biggest factors of these lands is can you be
consistent over four days? That is just always going to
be the question mark with them is their consistency and

(38:42):
if they can finally figure that out Here in Japan,
their ceiling is very high, but it's also equally as low,
and that is the.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Question, and that's where I'm kind of They remind me
and I remember last Split even I think Split one
as well. You know, me and Jayhawk were talking a
little bit about this roster and I asked him. I
was like, why don't people talk more about Fury and
he basically had told me point blank it was about

(39:10):
the consistency, like you mentioned, like this team has the
ability to be one of the best teams, but they
just haven't shown it yet. And I was like, nah,
there's no way, Like, look how good they're playing in
Pro League. And then it goes to show like Split
one they don't make they don't make finals, and then
split two they do, and I'm like, Okay, that's what
I'm talking about. Then we get to the finals and
we watch and they're just not there. You know, they're

(39:32):
just not there at all. And I think that for
a lot of people can get tiring because you're like, Okay,
I want to see this team at their best, but
for whatever reason, when it comes down to the moment
to have your best, they don't show up. It reminds
me a lot of like the Minnesota Vikings from this
year or something like that, Like a team that loses
two games all year, and then in their first off game,

(39:57):
it's like, before you even know it, they're already loose.
Like before the second quarter ends, you're like, all right,
they're done. Like season's over, you know, and that's what
we want to avoid with this roster. I think if
they can just make a finals and get to like
a top ten and show flashes, I think heading into
the next year of ALGs, there's gonna be a lot
more of a positive sentiment surrounding the Furia roster, especially

(40:20):
if they decide to stick together. But we're gonna have
to see that, and this is gonna be the hardest
time to do it. And so I'm excited to see
what happens with Furia. I want to see it happen.
They've always been one of the teams I've talked about personally,
you know, you talk about teams I mentioned a lot
Cloud nine complexity. Furia is definitely up there. I want
to see it. Like I love talking to these guys,

(40:41):
I love seeing their team have success, but I just
need to see that success in the big moments, and
that's just where we haven't had it quite yet. So
that is Furia. Moving on into our final four teams.
Let's kick it off with Go Next, e Sports, Donnie,
Let's talk a little bit about Go Next.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
So this is the roster they were known as two
R one C, which was two rats one controller LA.
For those who don't know, they got signed to go
next here more recently, before be Able just had started
replacing a Cachera's team that you'd had. This team likes
to fight. There's a very funny clip of How rewatching

(41:22):
some of the fights in LA and they were over
inclimatizer and out of nowhere to r one Seed just
jumped on How and try to fight, and they lose
the fight, and then How gets wipes because of it.
So ultimately their question is going to be can they
pick smarter fights in this meta, because again I think

(41:42):
this meta where fights are a little bit more extended
at times and you're not able to wipe as quickly,
you just have to be a little bit smarter about
what fight you're taking, you know. Can they kind of
have more of a patience to get to the right
spots and zone or take the right three three at
the right time. I haven't seen much evidence that that
is the case most of the time, because I know

(42:04):
they did struggle and BLGs regional finals, finishing outside the
top ten. But again, there's a lot of experience at
Lands with this roster, not necessarily a ton of hyphe placement.
They had gotten thirty first at Year four Split two
playoffs for more recent experience as a team, So time

(42:24):
will tell, you know, if they get the right day
and they win a lot of fights, maybe there's some
potential there. But again, I think it's gonna be a
team that might struggle just based on kind of how
they play and how they go about things.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, so based off that description, sounds like the ceiling
might be like a Losers two a situation where maybe
they're fighting for that final spot near the end, but
getting into your idea of talking about them fighting and
they love to get into the fights. Does this meta
support what they are trying to run at this current moment, I.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Don't think so. I mean again, I think the way
that they liked play is a little more free flowing
and a little more attacking apex versus where this meta,
like I said, just with the Newcastle wall, with the
mobile shield, with you know, if you're playing Cat, where
you can lock down buildings to where if you're playing
ramp part you got Rampart walls, you have Gibbie bubbles.
There's just so many things that help teams sustain spots

(43:19):
longer or shield themselves thereing to rotate that. I don't
think it quite fits the way that they want to
play because when they're in Split two playoffs, you know
they are trying to use the crypto aggressively a lot
of the time, Whereas when everybody's playing crypto, everybody knows
where you're at, So that aggressive play style doesn't necessarily

(43:40):
work because even if you you know crypto to the team,
they get a crypto to you back. Or if you
try to make a push, well there's twenty drones in
the air that let you know that, oh hey, by
the team, by the way this team's pushing, so you
already know what's happening before it is even happening. So
this particular meta, like I said, just with it being
a lot more sustaining teams stay up for longer, there's

(44:00):
a lot more teams that make final zones, you know,
or even Ring five, Ring four, I just don't quite
think it fits them. If we were more like the
Blood Bang meta, I think that fits them more because
that's a little bit more aggressive to where you have
to use util a little bit differently, whereas this meta,
it's a lot more about using your util for placement

(44:21):
in spot and zones or rotates versus fighting.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
That is go next E Sports and we're getting down
to the final three here, let's get into Enter Force
thirty six don E Force thirty six. Now, they're an
interesting squad as far as where you feel like their
ceiling can be. Let's start with that and then we
can kind of break down and talk about some of
the positive Where is their ceiling at heading into Supporo.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
So we saw them make finals in Germany, so there's
potential there. You know, they've shown that they've been able
to manage a land to where they can make a finals.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Again.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I think they're one of these teams where during Split
two playoffs they were playing at Bang Watson Crypto, which
at the time when there's teams you know, playing Newcastle
or the Pathfinder, they were playing things a little bit
differently and that tends to be how they play, just
kind of having that one more off pick versus anybody else. Again,

(45:23):
they're kind of a team that struggle with decision making
when they're in the higher tier lobbies. Unfortunately, they're kind
of infamous for the Fall from the Heavens diving on
TSM in Germany for people that don't remember that, they
fall sense onto TSM, who was basically in game winning spot,
but there was no reason for them to dive off
the height and skyhook. So ultimately, again another one of

(45:46):
those teams that has to kind of shure up their
decision making in order to really be effective at all.
But again I just don't think the potential with three
B three's it's necessarily there for this squad because they're
they can kind of get away with get any more
kills and stuff during Apac North like Pro League. But
when you get to these these levels again, where you
got all the firepower that NA has, that Alliance has,

(46:08):
you know that Crazy Raccoon has, It's it's a lot
tougher for them to get away with the firepower that
they have. So I think that again it might be
one of those teams that struggles could potentially creep into
a finals, but I think again a lot more losers
Round two potentially early exit territory.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
One of the all time crazy moments in ALGs just
that that decision alone had people questioning things for days,
like you were seeing you were seeing tweets days later
about why they decided to do that and uh, really
one of the to me that was funny, Like, I
just thought that was a funny moment. I know that

(46:44):
that swung the tournament for some teams. That was hilarious. Like,
I mean, it just made no sense. It was a
decision I would have made, and that's no disrespect. That's
just something I would have done. You know.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's just it's one of those moments you're just like, that's.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
It reminds me of that Aurora one we were talking about,
I think on the episode it was group C. Just
one of those where you like, why did that just happen?
But it reminds you that a br is unforgiving and
even one slight mistake it changes everything. Just really one
of the craziest decisions.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
And it was just crazy because obviously with you know,
when how left TSM, the noise on Twitter kind of
it didn't completely go away because I know Evan obviously
this has been busy on Twitter as well, but the TSM
fans weren't necessarily as loud until I think that play
happened and you saw everybody that was a TSM fan
having a comment about that situation. Yeah, So yeah, things

(47:35):
definitely got spicy. I will probably admit that I might
have yelled or through a thing or two after that happened.
Definitely not wearing a TSM jersey right now. Yeah, but no,
it was definitely an interesting decision to make. But uh yeah, again,
it just that play kind of shows who they are
at this level. It's just not necessarily the best decision making.

(47:56):
Whether that's just because this level is a little bit
you know, obviously, again it's faster, it's tougher to make
the right decision at the right time, whether that's the
case or that's just you know, the way that they
play is that they're just going to be overly aggressive
first anything else. So we'll see how they do. But again,
if they make finals, wouldn't be too big of a
surprise since they just did it. But again, it could
be one of those teams that also benefited from from

(48:18):
Crypto because that's usually kind of a character that's a
little more synonymous with Apac North. So with that character
being out of the meta, they could fall into one
of those teams like you mentioned in the last episode
that kind of kind of fall out to to Crypta
no longer be in the meadow.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Okay, now, Moving off of E four thirty six, we
move into Stallions and E I'm gonna throw this one
to you first, because I think this is one of
the coolest storylines that we have going here.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Alber Lelly back at a land.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Not only is he back at a land, but he's
at the biggest land that we've ever had. And I
feel like it's only fitting for Alb to be back
at a land that big, just from your perspective of
kind of watching and seeing his career go as it's gone.
There's been ups, there's been some definite downs. But to
see him back there, and we talked to him right
after it happened, How cool is it to see a

(49:05):
legend of the game like Alb back back at land.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
It's definitely cool to see and I'm super excited And
just like the way that it went about, like this
man has like he basically was collecting the infinity Stones
of orgs. I mean, I don't I mean, if there
was like in any organ apex, if you were like, oh,
I want to be on that org, Alb's probably been
on it, and which is like something that very very

(49:32):
very few players can say. And so to see him
like make the comeback that he has and the fact
that he did it on M and K after he's
like had the whole deal of like, oh, he's going
to switch a roller. He was doing that, then he
was like a little back and forth, and then he
was like full roller and then the man's roller breaks,

(49:53):
he ends up deciding to play on him in K.
It's a full MMK team and they make it happen.
The team that I mean, I don't think anybody would
have really expected to see this team make it the champs,
but they've gotten it done and they've been like I
don't know how they've been performing over all Instagrams, but
I know that they've certainly had their moments where they've

(50:14):
shown everybody just how good this team can be. And
so I think, given the current meta that we're in,
this is the best time for this team to be
on the stage that they're at, and it is if
they win, will go down as like one of the

(50:36):
greatest stories of redemption in esports history, going from like
the peak of the Mountains, as like the TSM third
to then just being shuffled around every which way possible
to then looking like it's like he's done with the game,
and then to him coming back and being on the

(50:58):
biggest stage that we've seen yet. It's gonna be It's
gonna be cool to see it.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Truly is one of those stories like if that were
to happen, and I think the likelihood of it happening
at this point is pretty low, but if it were
to happen, just think about all the things that alber
Lelly has been through in this entire run of APEX Legends,
Like there's been multiple like I think I need to
I think I need to hang it up. There has
been hey, I'm having medical issues. I think I gotta

(51:24):
switch inputs. There's been the swapping of inputs. There's been
the swapping of rosters. There's been the questioning of how
good he can be. There's there's been all of this
thrown together into this giant shit storm that he is
weathered through and and for a lot of people watching
him go through it, I feel like not a lot
of grace has been giving given to how young he

(51:45):
has been going through all of this, Like he's not
like these This is a crazy, crazy experience to go through,
and esports is a very new thing. If you think
about like the NFL NBA, NHL, MLB. You've got young
players who make questionable decisions, but what they have in
their corner. They've got agents, they've got coaches, they've got

(52:06):
all these different things to kind of prevent them from
doing the absolute worst things possible. Sometimes it still happens,
but they have all these resources to help them out.
There's players safety programs, there's you know, substance programs, there's
all these things to help players out in esports.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
You don't have that.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You don't have like this group of people around you
being like, hey, don't do this, Hey don't do that.
You've got a bunch of other young kids trying to
figure it out just the same as you. Because right
now esports is a young man's game, like it's it's
very much catered to like younger players, and we're seeing
it expand further than we've ever seen with like Will Fredson.
I mean, this kid's gross. Enoch's playing with him a

(52:46):
bunch of times. Dudes absolutely insane. I can't even imagine
what he's going to get into when he hopefully Apex
is still around at that point where he can play professionally,
because I would love to see it. But he never
had all this, so you're watching all this go down
and he's basically having to figure all of this out
on his own with really not a whole lot of help,
and there's no real guidance at this point. It's a

(53:09):
new esport, it's new so to watch all this happen
and to see him get to this point, to me
is super inspirational, and I think it was one of
the coolest things to talk to him right after it happened,
because you can really tell and you can really feel
how much it meant to him. The other thing, too,
is we've interviewed him two times. The first time was
when he was kind of still in one of those

(53:29):
lulls and it was me, finn Enoch talking to him,
and at that time you can kind of hear a
little bit of a regret. You can also hear a
little bit of the sadness, and you can also hear
a little bit of the I just want to get
back to a place I know I can be and
he's gotten there now. So if you listen to those
two interviews back to back, you definitely hear the growth,

(53:50):
You definitely hear the gratitude, the appreciation, and it's a
great story. No matter what happens, it's a great story.
Don I'm gonna throw it on to you for Styll.
What you think they can do if they can make
any noise in your opinion going into Suppora.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Well, yeah, And I think to add on to that
real quick too about alb is that one of the
best but also worst things that can happen to you
as just an athlete of anything in general is having
success early in your career. Because yeah, it's great, you know,
it's an amazing thing to be able to come and
achieve something, but then it also just sets your expectations
to have to be consistently so high that it's almost unreachable.

(54:28):
And obviously, when he ends up splitting with TSM, that's
just a huge wrench in his life. That's, okay, what
can I do to get back to like what that was?
And obviously it took a long time for him to
even get a remote sense of that. He obviously had
that one appearance with Cloud nine and one of the
online playoffs where they got second, but really outside of that,
he hasn't really had that level of success that we

(54:50):
know he's capable of as a player, and that just
wears on you so much mentally to where you know
you're not making the best decisions at the right time,
or you're going to t Twitter to kind of get
your feelings out. So I think, like you mentioned, like,
I think it's a player that needs to be given
some grace and it's just great to see him have
some success now and get back to Land, where he
definitely deserves. But in terms of them as a whole,

(55:13):
it'll definitely still take a lot for them to really
make a big time impact, like a top ten or
fifteen or something like that. I think that's definitely shooting
for the stars for this roster, but there's pieces that
are there that on the right day, they could definitely
make some things happen. We've already talked about alb you know,
if we're going to Scurvy or Crook. I mean, obviously

(55:35):
scurry literally was with the one hundred TH's roster. They
got thirdy of Land, a year two champ, so he's
been there before and has had that success. And I
think Crook's been a guy that's been around long enough.
Obviously he's only been to Land once, but again he's
at least been to a land he kind of knows
how that's like. And plus he's with two guys that
have basically been there, done that when it comes to

(55:56):
plan on land stages, So we'll definitely see there's outside
of alb there definitely is a lack of firepower when
it comes to fights. He kind of is the one
that has to carry it, and he ultimately will kind
of lead them in the direction that they go, whether
they have success or they may fail along with Crook's

(56:16):
igling because again it's you know, you have the one
appearance for a year three split one, but that's the
only land appearance that he has, so what you know,
being away for so long from land, how does he feel?
How does he igl? Does he feel uncomfortable? Is he confident?
That's gonna be the ultimate question with these guys is
how well is Albarelli fighting and how well can Crook

(56:37):
igl these guys. Because we saw a lcq's when they're
fighting and they're confident and they're igl and they're calming,
they are very very good team. But now you've got
to take that next step and prove it at a
land So time will tell again a team that I
think can be in the mix ultimately again, what that
ceiling is maybe making finals, but again with albeit on

(57:00):
the team, with the guys in their past pedigree, I
think it'd be dumb to completely discount them. I think
we'll see some moments from them. It's just how far
can they go? You know, only their eyegling and stuff
will tell us.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah, so that's Stallions for you. One of the best
stories heading into this land. And now our final team,
the Apex South Last Chance Qualifier team. We've got super
Nova and all of these players this is their first
time ever being at a land. I also want to
highlight that one of the players' names is walking l
which doesn't instill a lot of confidence I don't think

(57:36):
in your squad.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
But you got to run with it. You gotta run
with it.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah it Uh. It was a very interesting watching because
I actually got the chance to watch their regional final
or their LCQ final. They were definitely not the team
that I think anybody expected to win that LTQ. They
were the team that won a match, but they finished
with sixty four points. There was six teams that had

(58:05):
more points than they did. All said, was all said
and done, so yeah, definitely was very unexpected. They kind
of just found themselves in the right spot at the
right time when it came to that final zone closing.
I'm pretty sure they also went into the last game
with exactly fifty points, so they had barely just made
match point and then they won. So it's a very

(58:25):
underdog story that they even got here because teams like
Source Gaming, where it was in that regional final that
had a chance to win Kill Double Heroes SWQ, these
are all very well known teams in that region that
have had a little more experience going to land. So
I think they just will probably be happy that they're here. Unfortunately,

(58:46):
ceiling is probably not very high. But you always got
to give these new teams credit. It's always great to
see new players, you know, reach that threshold of making
a land and you know, you definitely wish them luck.
You know, hopefully they can find something that sparks them
to help them have some success. But again, it wouldn't
be too big of a surprise if we do see
them go out early.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, and that's you know, the cool thing about teams
like this, where there's not a whole lot of expectation.
In fact, a lot of people would probably completely write
them off. The cool thing is a lot of times
with those teams in the future there's like that cool
little nugget where one of the players or a couple
of the players end up on a different roster that's
actually doing really well, and you're like, actually, they were

(59:28):
in a land before under Team Supernova, and you know,
they didn't do too well at it, but they showed
flashes the fact that they got here, and then it
turns into that snowball effect of like, wow, they built
up a history for themselves even before they became who
they became. So it is interesting and that could be
something that happens in the future with this team. I
don't know a whole lot about them. I doubt Enoch

(59:49):
knows a whole lot about him. It's like you said,
if they only had sixty four points going in, that's tough.
It's actually more impressive that they won with only sixty
four points.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
To be honest with you, I'm telling you watching that
last end zone if I remember correctly, again, it's been
a few months, but it was like eight or nine
teams in a very small zone and it was one
of those where like the fight's going on so fast,
they came and changed the camrangle enough to where you
know which teams even the bov it is, and then
you just see the champion thing pop up and it's like,
who the hell just even won? And they were known

(01:00:20):
as Havoc at the time, so it says Havoc's a
champion and you're like, who the hell is that? Like, respectfully,
like you know, he had other teams like I said,
X and Y had eighty two points, Vegas Inferno again,
Kill Double Heroes, all teams that are very popular that
are usually around making lands or at least in the conversation,
and they kind of came out of know where a
little bit. But again, respect to them, they got the

(01:00:41):
job done. They're the one team that won that match
point and yeah, just hopefully they go enjoy themselves here
and again, who knows brs are nuts. You know, we
could easily see them find their way to losers round two.
And if you can at least make it to that,
you know, I got to be as one of the
best ten best teams that day and you find yourself
in a final, so you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
There we go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, that should just about do it
for Group D and that should just about do it
for our series. On all the teams heading into Suppora.
Once again, this is your first time stopping by and
witnessing the show. You can go check out all the
other groups heading into the land. But also we have
a bunch of interview with interviews with the highest profile
players and content creators in Apex Legends, guys like Imperial

(01:01:25):
How We've had Correv, We've had Monsoon, I'm just talking
recently here. Just lots of big, big names, going back
all the way to our early early days. Our first
episode was Fucking His Watson. So if you're new to
the show, you can go check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
For people who are new, we do have audio only
episodes with some of the earlier interviews back in the day,
but you get to hear about some of these players
early stories and stuff like that. So that is it
for our series. But I will be at location in Japan.
It's gonna be a good time. I cannot wait. I'm

(01:02:02):
gonna try to record some episodes if I can out there.
I'm gonna bring the equipment. I'm not gonna lie to
you though. I've never left the country, so I'm gonna
try to enjoy that to the best of my ability.
So that's where that's where we're gonna be at. But
we also will have some content out there going for y'all.
Thank you guys for sticking with us. Big shout out
to Donnie for hopping on and bringing the heat. Big

(01:02:22):
shout out to Jayhawk for hopping on and bringing the heat.
As well as far as analysis goes, those are our dudes,
Those are our guys. Thank you guys for tuning in.
As always, we will see you very soon in Supporo, Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
See y'all.