Episode 112: ALGS Champion Uxako + Champs Breakdown & Rostermania

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to another edition of the Apex the Podcast.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are back and we are excited.
We've got a lot of stuff to talk about here. Obviously,
Champs from Sapporo is in the books and where we
have a very special guest on to talk a little
bit about that. We also have a brand new season,

(00:37):
Season twenty four, and of course roster Mania, so we're
gonna break down all of that now. We're not gonna
go as in depth on the land and everything like
that because we have a series that me and Donnie
on the back end, we're gonna go through each individual
team and talk a little bit about each team's performance
leading up into the brand new year five of ALGs.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we're gonna have that in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
But we will talk a little bit about Champs and
break down some of the big, bigger storylines here. I
guess first, I think we got to say what's up
to everybody, because it's been a little bit e How
are you been?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
My man, it's been a doozy of a season. But
other than that, dude, outside of Apex life is amazing. Yeah,
Inside of Apex, Dark Days, Dark Days we'll get through them.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We'll get that well, we'll get to that too as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I want to let you have some time to vent
with with what's been going on in season twenty four. Jumba,
me and you just got back from Japan. It was
an experience. You're wearing the lemon sours hat. That's if
I could go back right now, that would be the
thing I would go do is drink some lemon sours
with the boy.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
But yeah, how are you everyone? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
How is how is Japan? From your perspective?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I could not have had a better time, not just
like traveling and touring Japan, but like even the land,
like everything. When like we could do a whole episode
just about my experience, me playing on stage.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
We could just talk about me this.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Whole episode, which I will say to the viewers, you know,
I'm back. I'm back, by the way, I know some
of you seemed concerned, not as many of you as
I thought. Though I was reading the comments for every
single episode, I wasn't here and there wasn't enough Where's Jumbas.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I was a little bit upset about that one. Not enough.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
I was expecting a lot more Where's Jumpas there's only
like one or two and uh and then a couple
of people.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I had a couple of people come to my thing
and say when you coming back to the pod and
I was like, okay, okay, I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
No, it was Japan was an experience being there with Jumba,
Jay shout out Burke as well.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Burke was basically me and Kyle's tour guide.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
He was our tour guide. No, he was our tour
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Think I would have seen half the ship I needed
to see in Japan if not for Burke the nerd.
So I think you changed his name to Burke Apex right.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
It's it's yeah, just Burke, like its actually it's just Burke.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, check out Burke Burke break down.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
He does very like similar videos to like Jay and
Jumba on Competitive Apex, So go check him out.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
He was a dog.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
He was a legends to train to the last day
because like I just let it be on him the
last day.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, this literally as we're going to the airport, let
me look look how you're doing this.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He was very impressive as well, with like he never
pulled out his phone really for directions that I saw anyway,
if he did, he was. It was subtle on my end,
but yeah, so land in Supporo, it was incredible. Japan
is an amazing country and I really enjoyed Japan.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It was great. It was also great to be there
with the boys.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Uh. One of my favorite moments though, was probably not
a whole lot of people saw it. I think on
like the broadcast, but within within the arena. Jumba goes
on the stage for the challenge like the Solos Challenge
and the Big Team Deathmatch challenge, and he wins the
first game. I'm gonna put that video right here that
I took. It was me, my boy, Kyle, and Burke.

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We were all standing there. Jumbo was in the final five.
I start recording and then he wins and I explode.
Uh And I run straight down to the bottom of
the stage and I'm just screaming. I got a little
dizzy on the walk back up because of how loud
I was screaming.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Man that count, man that got there, that gown. Oh said,
holy s.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Jumpa from your side of everything, Like, what did that
feel like to be on the stage and win like
a match?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
It's it's It might sound funny, but it's actually always
been a dream to like play on a land stage,
like I've look, I watch like so much Apex, Like
I sometimes I'm like I sit there, I'm like, damn,
Like imagine I was good enough to be up there,
And like if I ever won on a land stage,
I'd just lose it.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
I'd go crazy.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
And I know it's not like the same stakes the
same level as like these pro players compete in, but
like it was just a hell of a time.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
It was so freaking fun.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
And I went into that with like no expectations of
being able to win, but they stuck me, Like I
will say, and if you ask my boys and I
played Apex with like you know, since the game came out,
you know, I'd still say that I'm like somewhat decent
at the game. But my prime was when the game
came out, Like my prime were those eras like season
one to like season six, Like that's my prime of Apex.

(05:39):
So when they put us in King's Canyon and then
they went back to the og game mode, like we
got the og guns, the olgie, like I had og
Raith with the freaking instcues over Like I was like, oh,
they kind of put me in my element, and yeah,
I could talk about it.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
All day, but like basically what I said you and
you pulled it out.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I pulled it out like when I freaking got the
drop and I saw that MASSTI if I was like okay,
maybe because like I fucking first of all, I had
white shields and I'm like, I can't do anything with
these white shields. But then that mastiff, I kind of
got a big ego. It was like I could once
shot everyone in.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
This lobby now.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
And apparently, as I talked to some of the other
people who were playing, they did not know the mastiff
was that strong.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
No one knew that.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
So people were shooting me and they were being really
aggressive and pushing me because they did not know that
I had a gun that could do two oh three
to the head.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
So yeah, so yeah, I definitely did get heard by it.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
But guess what had some haters out there shout out Jayhawk,
yeah shit talking me the entire time, and I let
the gameplay show, let the gameplay Yeah, I think boys
in the stand.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think I'm gonna throw the clips of Yeah, I
think I'm gonna throw in some clips of Jay Shit
talking to you. As well, because those were top notch
and I didn't hear them at the time because I
was in the arena, But afterwards I was laughing my
ass off because that was just funny. It was a
great time. But yeah, so Japan was great. The entire
event was great. The crowd anytime Fanatic did anything was

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louder than I've ever heard fun it was.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
And then the crowd when Fanatic was just about to
get on match point and we kept getting one more
game by teams shutting it down so Fanatic had a chance.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
That was the best.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Those are some of the loudest moments of like a
sports event I've ever been to. And then like all
four of us, like five of us because Kyle's there two,
but all five of us jumping up and just going crazy,
like the time allions got shut down, back to back,
and like, so fucking good.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
It was so fun.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
It was fantastic. Thirteen, It was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
So moving on from you know, our experience and moving
into the actual experience itself, which was Champs in c
Or in year four of ALGs our winner. Congratulations, big
round of applause to the boys from Go Next congratulations
to those boys. It was I'm not gonna lie to like,

(07:51):
I'm not gonna lie when it first when Go Next
pops up on the screen, immediately.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm like, ah, because you have LG He got sweet
right there, and I was like, man.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
But then when you go back and you look at
this tournament, and there's been some chatter on Twitter about
the legitimacy of the win at this point, when you
go back and look, you realize that they just had
a fantastic tournament from start to finish.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
They were always in some sort of running.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Really.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
The only time they look like they slowed down a
little bit was in the finals Lobby. They they had
a slower start and then they were able to bounce
back and come through.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
So it was it was well deserved. I'm gonna say
it was well deserved.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
And interestingly enough, the two teams that decided to run
catalyst in the in the finals Lobby Go one and two,
with the Lions being the second team, and they were
both running the catalyst. So in that final game, that
catwall basically ends it. But Jumba, your thoughts on on
the Go Next win, Well, I talk.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
About it later, Like right at the end of our interview,
and you'll see that, like I do, kind of go
through the fact that they had the second most wins.
There's there's a few things like you know, their top
ten in groups, a few things that, like, you know,
they played good throughout the entire tournament, good enough to
like I would say they deserve it. But like what
I want to almost just quickly touch upon it is
that like in sports in general, right, we always have

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teams that can go on like a legendary run and
they might not be the team that you're expecting to win,
but they win, and no one's sitting here saying they
don't deserve it. Like you know, in the NHL, as
a you know, fan of hockey, there's times where an
eight seed team goes on a run and makes it
to the Stanley Cup finals, and if that team wins,

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we're not sitting here going well, throughout the entire regular season,
this team was not good. They sucked, so they don't
deserve it. We say that was freaking crazy that they
were able to pull that out. And that is what
match point, in my opinion, has been able is supposed
to capture. It's supposed to capture that anyone can win
at any point, and if you hit that fifty point threshold,
I mean you do what like the most important thing

(09:56):
of a br is and that's win a game, then
you deserve the win.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
And so that's what they did, right, like they were
up there.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Like some people like talked about the fact that like, yes,
I think if you look at it other than when
Dark zero won their second championship, which was in rally,
this is like the lowest point total for a championship team.
So like you know, like where it's like every other
time the team has been either first or second that wins.
So this is there is that like the people I

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think are trying to almost like look at but I
don't really care. Like, like my point is that like
they did what they need to do. They got fifty points,
and then two games later they closed it out and
they won. Like there was I think eleven teams on
match point or something like that, So that means that
eleven teams had the chance to do the same they didn't.
Uh you know, I don't want to like I don't

(10:42):
want like not because of what happened on Twitter or
anything like that, But I basically I'm just gonna go.
Aside from that, I'm just gonna say, for example, LG
was the second team in that final game with Go
Next and LG one. I don't think we have this
conversation that like did they deserve it? Because Sweet is
a bigger brand name. Pykes is someone who's performed really
well at Land, So I don't think people have that conversation.
But realistically, if you look at the performance of LG

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vers Go Next to this Land, Go Next was a
lot more consistent, So why would that against Maybe I
don't know, maybe the conversation would still happen, but if
it didn't, why is it. The people probably wouldn't question
LG winning, but the question Go Next, and it's just
because of like I think the history where it's like
they had a better tournament, right they did, So that's
all I was gonna throw up, because they were the
last two teams in that final game is Go Next,

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LG VP, who was not a match point? So that's
why I'm bringing LG up specifically Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, are you kind of in the same boat with it?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah? I mean if like, if LG wins, the story
is like Sweet finally gets his trophy. Yeah, that's that's
all anyone would talk about. They wouldn't be like, oh,
like there wouldn't there wouldn't even be into a debate
or anything. And like u Zacho touches on it as
on like they haven't had the best Land performances like finals,

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because I feel like they've like as we talk about,
like they can say certainly have made finals like for
as long as I can remember, and this is like
the Land that they finally put it together and figured
it out. And simply because they don't have well, like
a history of like placing top ten or top five,

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they're just not viewed as well as other players, I'm assuming,
And so I did think it was a little wild
how people were like, oh, they're letting anybody win a Land,
and it's like, you do realize that, like they had
to win match point format, which is as difficult if
you're the best team in the lobby compared to us,

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like the worst team in the lobby, you you earn
respect through winning it. And so the fact that they
they've won it and they should have that respect earned
and instead their respect is like questioned is a little
silly to me. But at the end of the day,
people are just gonna be people, and.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
I almost would like to, like ask people's opinions on it,
but I think it will just get muddled up in
like the stuff that happened with like psychs over the
last little bit on Twitter, which I don't even want
to get into, but like my point is basically, like
LG came thirty fifth in groups thirty fifth, that's five
from the bottom they came.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
They had to go through losers one, losers two.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
In losers two, they get tenth and they make it
in with one point because which one hundred thieves almost
stole from them, So they make it in with one
point difference between tenth to eleventh. They go on to finals,
they get seventh overall, so they don't even do like insane.
But like in that moment, like you said, I think

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if they won, it would have been the story of
Sweet finally on his trophy, not Sweet didn't have a
good land and he didn't deserve to win, right, Like
I think the conversation would have been like, holy shit,
Sweet didn't scrim leading up to champs and still won.
Scrims don't mean anything, versus hit them being like, oh Sweet,
should have been scrimming up to land and he got lucky.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
So it's like, and this isn't trying to put shade
on LG in general. I'm just using them again as
the example because they were the team that could have
won it in that ninth game, right like that that tournament,
that game looks pretty much over. VP had a really
big uphill battle to win there. So it was between
Go Next or LG at that point. And guess what
if LG does it, I'm gonna sit here and say that, like,
I think that they still deserve it because a match

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point they did it.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
They closed it out. You know other teams didn't.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
My point is, though, is like I don't think as
many people would be saying they didn't deserve it as
they are for Go Next.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And so to that, I say, I think Go Next
deserves it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yes, So congratulation to the Go Next boys when you
go back and look throughout their history, Like he said,
they've made a ton of finals lobbies. They never necessarily
performed the greatest in those finals lobbies. But when we
talked to Uzako, he talks a lot about the mental
and how it kind of transformed over the years.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
So congratulations to the Go Next boys. It was a
well deserved win.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Now, I do want to talk about some of the
other storylines here, at least for me, one that stands
out is yes, Go Next was the winner. I feel
like overall though, throughout this entire year of Apex Legends,
I feel like Alliance has to be talked about with
how great they played. And there were moments in this
tournament where I really thought they were going to come
away with it. And honestly, some of those moments they

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completely fabricated on their own because they should not have
been in the positions to win those games. I don't
know how they created it. It's just because of the
run of form they are on is incredible to watch.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Alliance.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I still think at this moment is the best Apex
team in the world right now, and I don't think
it's necessarily that close. If you go back through and
look at it, they get third and split two playoffs,
they get second in the championship, and they obviously win
Esports World Cup.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Like we talked to Hawkas and like he explained, like
he explains how at split one playoffs he was you know,
they were kind of like trying to dodge the I
think the DSG contest or like with like designing them.
He's still doing that same thing happened in Champs like
the year before, so it's like, you know, just dealing
with all those contests and everything.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
But once that was removed from the game and they
just got to play their game. Like you know, they've been.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Literally the best team like first in first as you said,
you know, you see second most points overall, but third
overall for Germany and then most points overall for this
tournament here by far the best team, and they dominated everything,
even the LGS like in like they had by far
the most points even though they didn't win match point there,
just all around since the second half of this year,

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they've been ridiculous. Even split two Pro League, they were
insane for.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Their for their league.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, I just feel like Alliance right now has to
be talked about as as the best team in the
world currently just with this run of form there on
is is absolutely incredible. Was there any other storylines you
wanted to mention, jump, but before we move into like
some Rostermania stuff on.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
The Alliance point, it was more so like I it'd
be great to like ask Jay about this whenever we
get them on again, if we remember. But I remember
the day, like you, he announced he was retiring, and again,
I think you was a great player, but like the
day he announced he was tiring. I can't remember if
I was on stream talking to Jay or I was
just watching his stream, But as soon as he saw that,
he literally goes, I think they're picking up Unlucky and

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he gave like all these reasons why he thought they
were picking up Unlucky.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
And I wasn't even too familiar with un Lucky at
the time, and I was like, I'm.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Sold, I'm sold, And you know, I got to give
him some props for the fact that like I remember
him calling that, and like, yeah, they just they've been
so good since, Like Unlucky and Effect I think are
the best duo in the world for like fraggers, and
the two of them are so flexible, like you know,
like the Effect is that primary Fragger, but then Unlucky
could do it too, like they had to play with

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Tyler throughout Germany. So yeah, he's just been huge, huge
addition to that team. I'm excited to see them this year,
like because you know, we'll get into roster mania and
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
No one's safe.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
But if there's one team I'm confident in being safe,
and that's Alliance that they are once, So you know
that's gonna even give him a leg up too, because
the gonna be one of the only teams that have
played together for you know, an excited period of time.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I want to talk about my boys at Complexity.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Now, before this Land had started, I was still kind
of figuring out who I was, who I was trying
to root for on this land, and I think the
interviews right before we left for Japan was kind of
what nailed it in for me. I obviously had been
heavy with Cloud nine for most of the season.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
You were cheering for Calud nine the entire time we
were sitting together.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, but I still had that.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I feel like you didn't talk about Complexity till the
last day.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't think that's true.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I don't think you were two days too, which is
the funny thing.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I think it was messed up that I didn't get
to meet the Complexity boys. That that was the toughest
part about it. But when it came to Complexity that
final day, I just I don't know what it was,
but that first game was incredible, like that, that entire
first game and their their their story. I think I
think for me has been one of the coolest parts,

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especially with Kim. We had Kim on you know, with
with the la Land, things don't go their way. Obviously,
they don't make finals. Then they go into Split two
and things go a lot better for them, and then
coming into this one, it was it was awesome. It
was awesome to see that moment Monsoon gets up on
the table. It was fun to watch with complexity, and

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I'm gonna throw in some videos right here. I was
rooting heavy for them, and I got into some of
my like I don't even know what you'd call it,
but when I watched sports, I'm very superstitious, and I
had a hat and he thirty six had I had
on my left kneecap, and then after game one, I
moved it to my right kneecap and I think I
messed up the juju for the rest. For the rest

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of the time, because they had some chances to get
on match point, I ended up coming up with a
new superstition where after each game I ran up the
stairs and then I would walk in a circle. There
was a taped off not a circle, a square, It
was a taped off square, and would walk in a
circle over and over and over again until the game started,
and I had to wait until I heard the first

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gun shot, and then I would run back down the stairs,
and then I would think that that would help them out,
didn't I mean, I guess you could say it kind
of did. Like they finished sixth, which is pretty good.
You know, that's not a bad performance, I don't think
so good for good.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
For Enoch and the viewers.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
The amount of fucking stairs there were to run up
was ginormous. It was often crazy and Wyatt random every
single game he ran up and then down.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
It was dude, did leg work out that day? For real?
Like I'm not kidding.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
There might have been like a hundred and one hundred
and two hundred stairs you had to go up and felt.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Like yeah, and then I you know, I did the
best network, I did the best I could for the squad.
I did the best I could for the squad. It
didn't end up pulling through, but that's all we.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Did that mon soon, Know, we did that monsoon know.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, And I think he said, I helped, which is
all I needed.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
He thinks he didn't just say you helped. He actually said,
you're the reason they did so good. I said, he said,
that's absolutely why we did so good today.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Like he didn't even question that it was that they
played better that like the you know, something clicked that
they were good columns. He just said, Wow, that's the
reason that we did so good today. He said, I
need to find him.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I need to see him. But unfortunately, you know, there's
so much chaos at the end of that.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Next time, I still need it. I still want to
meet the boys. I want to meet Kim, I want
to meet monsoon. I want to I want to say
what's up. And so yeah, that was that was another
one some of the other teams that didn't do as
well that maybe some people were expecting Team Liquid down
there at seventeenth. You had Exoclan down there at sixteenth, Envy,
the team that we've always said at least they're going

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to get six or seventh. They had a real bad
day because they didn't even make top ten. They were
sitting down there at fourteenth TSM at thirteenth Surprizingly Guild
down there in the bottom ten as well at twelfth,
Aurora at eleventh, and then we had some If you
want to go just through the teams who were able
to reach match point, you would obviously have go next Alliance,
but we also had Falcons who had a very big

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couple of games there. Falcons, I think really solidified themselves.
Solidified themselves and I didn't think they really needed to,
but I think a lot of people put a lot
of pressure on that squad to do well, and I
think they showed out pretty decently well in that Land.
Obviously they don't come away with a win, but it
was a good performance from them. Shopify Rebellion. They also

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they get into the match point complexity LG comes in
late their Furia VKG and Fanatic. You could also say
vertis Pro gets there, but they got there I think
on the final game, So technically I guess they don't
they don't get the match point little star on Liquipedia.
But those were the results, and that was the results

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from Land. Now, like I said, we're gonna do a
little bit more in depth deep dive in the off
season between each team with me and Donnie, and I
think we're gonna try to have like a video series
as well, so we're gonna go through each team's performances,
so we'll have more breakdowns on the YouTube. If you
guys want to go check out our YouTube. If you're
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those videos and putting that in the podcast. So that's
just about do it for the land and how everything
went with Finals. Now it's time for roster Mania, and
the roster has been Mania. There's a lot of things
already going on. Twitter is on fire like it always is.
You can always expect the Bluebird to go kind of
nuts when it comes to roster Mania here, but I

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guess i'll throw it on down to E first E.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
There's been a lot of moves being made so far.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
We don't have anything locked in yet, but was there
any move that really surprised you from the early days
of roster Mania.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, I'm I'm fairly still like out of the loop
and I have no idea what's going on on, but
I will say I was surprised to see Kean be
caught up in the mix of it. Apparently the tweets
have been deleted and so it'll be interesting to see
what happens. But dude, I feel like there's just I

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think it's gonna be one of the more exciting roster
manis we've had, And I felt like the last one
was crazy, and I feel like this one is gonna
be a little bit crazier. But we do there is
a roster. What is the roster lock date that's coming up?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I actually have settled. I can't. I saw someone tweet
about it like it's something it's in March.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's because I saw Walls tweeting that the lock day
was too close and that they weren't gonna Yeah, I
think its won't be doing nothing.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
I think it was wrong because I think people thought
it was honestly, it was tomorrow. I saw someone say
that something with the fourteenth. But now I think they
have they have at least a month. The Walls tweeted
wo roster media.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, because a lot of people were saying it was
supposed to be Valentine's Day, that that it was supposed
to be like locked. But I think there's a discrepancy
or something where it was more for pro league invited
teams or something like that.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Okay, so yeah, he just sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt,
but Walt, he said, rock too short for Reese to
get rid of me means I'm not jobless or homeless
in your five Uh. I wonder if that's the actual
reason or if he's just making a joke, Like I
don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Like definitely definitely making a joke along with it, because like,
obviously I don't think he'd be tweeting like that if
there was actually like a chance, if they were literally like,
hey man, so like the only reason we're keeping is
because that roster Lock, and we just haven't like that
just doesn't seem like, No.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
That's in exactly what I mean. Mind you, last time
they dropped the part of his.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Howe's response to that was, no, we're waiting for roster
locked to fuck you over because of the stuff with Tim.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Burton, which he actually does that he was so little fun.
I mean that means that house on his villain arch,
we see Walt get dropped.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Now, Donnie did send me all of the free agents
at least in the NA region, along with some other
ones here, and some of these are still subject to
be fully thought out and investigated because there's been some
deleted tweets and stuff, but I'll tell you what I know. Okay,
So he has Verholst, Funk Deeds, Phony Brutus, he's got

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Keon fun, fps On, MoU, guild zaying with a question mark.
He's got zap Designful, Baxelon, Alberlelli, and skittle Cakes. And
then he's got Pikes, gent Knocked and Panders. That's what
he has so far.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I mean, I guess that doesn't like my input doesn't
add very much other than no one's safe. There's literally
no one like like like I think pretty much every
team is up for change, uh like Eve, and it's interesting,
like it's cool to see falcons are seeing saying that
they're staying together because even that I'm pretty sure was

(27:07):
up in the air for a little bit. Excuse me,
but yeah, so like basically, yeah, the only team that
like and I know more for Ana, like I'm pretty
sure like every team was like just changing. It felt
like which as we see in the list that you
just said, that is almost every team changing right there alone,
Like like there's a player from almost one team there.

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The only ones again, like VP was one. I think
it was kind of like staying together is what they said.
Furia was a little bit of from what I was hearing,
they were a little bit of a shocking one in
the sense.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
That like it finally came out.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
But if they stayed together, I would have been like, Okay,
that's one I would have thought would have stayed together.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
But if they didn't, it wasn't shocking.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Does that make sense what I'm saying there, It's like,
if you staying together, I would have been like, okay, yeah, Furia,
I from what I understood, like they were probably staying together,
but if they did change up things, I was also like,
not to surprise anyway. So yeah, so but yeah, that's
just that's how crazy this roster media is gonna be
is at this time, I don't think anyone's safe. I
don't think anyone is. I think every team's changing. And
that's like not from anyone telling me something too straight

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up or concrete.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
That's just I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
I was at the Red Bull party and overheard just
like a few things here and there, and I was like,
oh yeah, I was basically like.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Confirmed, but like, no one's fucking sticking together, which.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
I mean, again, I don't even think is that big
of a shock considering how many LFTs we've already seen.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
So yeah, yeah, lots of LFTs. It's LFT season. It's also, uh,
you know, I'm I'm the passion is Back season. There's
lots of passion is Back tweets coming out that we're
seeing right now for for year five, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right, Like it's the cycle.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
It's everyone.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I don't think people realize how much ALGs does for
the game. They talk about how like, oh, there's so
many casual players compared to how many people care about
comp and I disagree When ALGs is not on, all
anyone does is call the game dead, terrible bad. And
then like, I get this season has had like somewhat
of a good start, right, but like I think there
are some controversial things.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
He's not liking it, as we talked.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
About before, but like still it doesn't matter, like fucking
Champs ends new season, Everyone's apex is back, I'm back,
passion reinvigorated.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Everyone just hates off seas.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
I hate them too, but like people who fucking have
such big reactions and like, oh, I don't know, I've
stayed relatively quiet about my opinions on everyone calling Apex
dead twenty or seven.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't think Apex is dead, yeah, and it's uh
I guess that.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Going back to the roster Mania part of everything too,
the Furia win actually does surprise me a lot, and
it kind of is the one thing that I hate
about where esports is at right now. And you can't
really blame guys too much because when you get a
good opportunity in this field, you almost have to take it,
no matter how much success you're having at the time
with whatever team you're with. Sometimes you just have to

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take that opportunity and it plays into a lot of
guys decisions decision making.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
But I also hate it so.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Much because when you have a team like Furia, who
from La all the way to Japan throughout the entire year,
consistently improved and each each time they played they got better.
It sucks to watch a team like that walk away
from or try to walk away from a player that
I felt like just did not deserve it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's super shitty. It sucks, and it makes it hard.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Sometimes to stay engaged and stay locked with specific teams,
and that's kind of why sometimes it's harder to follow
certain teams past a certain point because you liked that
roster for the three players and potentially the coach that
were on that roster, and even when one gets replaced
and gets moved and stuff like that, sometimes it just
makes it makes it hard, like it's just not as

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fun to watch. And I felt like this Fiuria roster
had a lot more time left under its belt. I
felt like, you know, there's definitely some limitations with it,
and this time, you know, they they finally do get
to the match point, but you would probably still say
you were expecting a little bit more from them and
they just didn't pull through where you needed them to.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
But you also, this is what happens. And when we
talk to Yusako about exactly this, he's.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Been teaming with the same guy for four years and
now finally they go and they win that land. I
think that's what esports is lacking at at certain times,
is just that consistency and teams staying together. Once again,
it's not all on the teammates, because you know, if
there's an opportunity, you got to take it to make
sure you can, you know, feed your family and different

(31:26):
stuff like that. I just hope esports gets to a
place where we don't see this overhauling change every single time.
You know, it's nice to have the big trades, it's
in sports and stuff like that. It's nice to have
those every once in a while. But there is a
weird lack of inconsistency or consistency that I wish we
would see in esports. And it sucks to see Furia,

(31:47):
one of my favorite teams to watch in NA fall
victim to that.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So like with Furia in particular, Yeah, with Furia in particular.
Let me add on why.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I said, like they were a team that I thought
would stay together, but like if they didn't, I wouldn't
be that surprised. The reason why is because so like
Madness has had, like for the last two three years,
has had so much troubles with being able to lock.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Down a consistent roster and a consistent org. He has
like bounced around.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
He was on wild Card, He's on Ghost at one point,
like he was on I think was he ever on Renegades.
I don't know if he was ever on Renegade or
he was teaming not Rogue. But like, just because I
know the player by so his vax has vaxx on
and power power on is right, Okay, So anyways, like
they just they like he's had such a hard time
like locking down a consistent roster and teams back up

(32:37):
with vax He used to play with vax on CLG.
He gets onto Furia because of key On, and you know,
they make lands this year. They do well, like you said,
like they keep improving constantly, and so like you think
that like you almost like just want to keep that stability, like, hey,
we did good. You know, we have a good like org,

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you know, he said, Like even in his tweet that
he's now deleted, he said, Keon was like his best
friend throughout the year. So it's just like you feel
like you see that stability and like compared to what
you had going on before, like year three, where you
didn't make a single land and you had troubles locking
people down and everyone, and like people were being poached
for him. He had should be poached for or attempted
to be poached for him, and I think eventually he was.

(33:20):
But like all this stuff happens, do you think that
you would stick with it? So that's why I thought
those teams would stay together now the original they said.
I wasn't surprised if they didn't is because at the
same time, I feel like earlier in the year, this
isn't anything I heard now. I feel like earlier in
the year or just like right before Champs, we kind
of saw some frustrations within the team, some like kind
of disagreements and arguments, and you know, like even though

(33:42):
they did really good here, it's like I wouldn't be
surprised if one of the teammates said, like, hey, this
isn't working out.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I think we gotta mix things up.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
I will say that, yes, Like that thing that was
most surprising is that like we were hearing that Keon
was the one being dropped.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Like that's what was like the most confusing thing there.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Now, those tweets like had a lot of information that
seemed like weird, like you know, like madness. It almost
seemed like he was claiming that they weren't saying it
was Keon that was out the door. Keon was finding
out from other players who like who knows if they
have like the actual information that he was the one
out the door. So I don't know, just like like
regardless long story shirt, there's like there's so much like
we maybe don't know because we can see those tweets,

(34:23):
But like, as of right now, we're under the impression
that it was ke On getting to boot and yeah,
that's weird. That's weird as fucking Not only was it
his work that like he brought them to I think
he's the last guy that should have been dropped from
the team, like absolutely, So, yeah, that's what I would
say is more shocking.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
But I wasn't shocked that they'd split up.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
If they did, I don't think they should have, But
I was shocked that it was Keon there if that,
Yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It's it's the one byproduct of E sports, where like
as a traditional sports fan, it's the one thing it's
still hard for me to wrap my head around because
I just wish it wasn't as vulnerable as it is.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
But to be fair, there's three teams as opposed to
like every year a hockey team goes through changes, but
they probably move out like five guys, six guys and
bring it new guys. But like you have a team
of twenty four players as opposed to like three players.
One roster move sometimes seems like ginormous, right, Like two
players as a whole new team, So it does look

(35:20):
a little bit volatile like that. The thing is sometimes
about like how quick they do it. It feels like,
I know they got roster lock to think of, but
like you just are coming off like your best land
and like you play with these guys for a year,
Like is it easy to make that decision like a
week after or is it that there have been like
chemistry issues for such a long time that you just

(35:43):
can't get there. Look, I know I didn't play like
any crazy competitive apex and everything like that, and I
love moreover, but I realized really quick that competitively we
do not jive. And I couldn't do that for more
than a month, right, So, like I would have just
quit the olgs because I didn't want to like get
into fights like over like like just different ashes and
personality and how we play, and so like I wonder

(36:03):
what it's like when you got real stuff on the line,
Like you know, you got six hundred thousand dolls first
place prize on the line, Like can you like fight
through that that.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Incompatibility exactly exactly? So that is roster mania as it stands.
Right now.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
We're gonna see what happens in the next coming weeks,
but it should be a fun time in Rostermania.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
The Bluebird is always on fire with roster Mania.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Now, let's moving to the last topic before we get
to Uzaco, and that is season twenty four. Enoch, I'm
gonna I'm gonna throw this one on down to you.
It's been a tough couple of days. But where are
you at with Apex Legends in season twenty four?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
So I I'm a gratitude extremist still am struggled to
be the best two days. I'm not gonna lie to
you in my honest opinion, like not to be like
hateful towards Apex or nothing, but I genuinely just thinking
this is just from my personal experience that this is

(37:04):
the worst Apex Legends that I personally have played. The
time to kill is just way too fast. The fact
that there's no helmets is a major buff to cheaters
because they just I died in four shots of a
rampage because I got head shotted with three of them.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
The audience to the head, like right now because I
heard people.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I don't know how much thirty thirty to the body, Okay, wow,
whatever that multiplayers more than it should.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Plus the plus I saw fucking the L Star to
forty five to the body or something like that, like.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
What the L Star does twenty twenty four through a
rampart shield and yeah, I don't know what the head shotted,
but yeah, it's so like that. I mean L Stars
superbusted rampage with the thermite superbusted the so like, I
do like that all that for the most part, Like
all weapons are pretty usable, and I think that the

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gun things that spawn out the p O Y S
is not half bad. But the combination of you shooting
one guy and then your entire team basically getting wallhacks
on it or like that's what it feels like then
where it used to be like if you shot the guy,
like okay, you get the health overlay. Now I shoot

(38:24):
the guy. Now everybody on my team knows exactly where
he is and how much, why, why? And so they
did that, then they made the time to kill worse.
And somehow when they did all of that, the footstep
audio has literally never been as bad I thought.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
I thought they lowered teammate footstep audio. That's what I heard.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
They were everybody's dude, it's just I mean, I am
gonna I've the decided that it's the least enjoyable I've
ever played, But even with that being the case, I'm
using it as an opportunity to simply just enjoy what's
in front of me, which I had the intention of
going on a number one grind and when I got

(39:15):
off at the end of the first day, I was
like fourth place on the race to pread. Last time
I checked, I think I'm sitting about seventy nine, which
is just not like it isn't too crazy bad, but
it's just simply not the pace that I should be
hidden with the goals that I'm setting and so and

(39:35):
then like that combined with just all of the just
different other things is like a little frustrating. And so
I'm definitely not the biggest fan. I think that they've
done a lot to make the skill gap less. And
it feels like if I'm fighting, like if I'm pulling

(39:55):
up on a fight and somebody sees me before I
see them, I'm either going to be out of the
fight for spending my entire time healing after getting hit
to one HB or I'm just incident.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
And so.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
It's a little frustrating. It feels way too much like
Cod than it should. But the R nine's back, so
that's exciting, and it's just an opportunity to make the
most out of a situation where most people aren't enjoying it,
because I would say overall sentiment from what I've seen
is that it's just not that great. I have seen

(40:32):
some people say see like positive things like apparently snipe
down is enjoying his time with the new meta, and
so I'm glad that people are able to enjoy it
and that for some people it's like a good change.
I just I haven't hit that adapt yet, and so

(40:53):
instead of just crying about it, I just need to
adapt and figure it out and stop sucking.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
When people are claiming that this is feeling like COD,
they're talking like not like war Zone.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
They're talking like Cod pubs, because I feel like war.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Zone pups, there's a decent amount of like ttk in
It's still like like I feel like when I played
Warzone a bit like I would have to fucking dumb
clips in the guys sometimes because if they had maxed
don't arm.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, war Zone probably has a higher time to kill
than Apex at the moment because I would say Apex
had a higher time to kill than war Zone.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Oh absolutely, but.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Now it's probably switched, which is crazy. Like Apex's identity
was that it was a high time to kill shooter
that allowed you to have really good outplayability. Yeah, where
now it's like you get cracked. You got either like
a Loba who's queuing at you, you got you got

(41:49):
an ash chp who's just on your head, doesn't even
need the TP, they can just dash on your ass.
Like I will say, Ash is the most fun legend
that they've come out with, and almost so much fun
that it makes playing any other character in the game
just not just just miserable because they're just not playing Ash.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
You gotta wonder, like when Ash like gets sick abilities
like that and movement, it's like, what the fuck did
Octane and Pathfinder do?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Like is vile that Pathfinder has a thirty second grapple
cool down and Ash off rip. I'm I'm not one
hundred percent sure, but it has to be like a
five second time or five seconds.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah, it's five seconds, but it feels.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
So that one hundred percent is gonna get nerved.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
It's five without dashes.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Without a question that that that cool down will be increased,
but it is just sell Brown.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I will see if they put that cool like ASH movement,
if they allowed you to put that on a different
keybind though, rather than the standard jump ash like, she
already gets fun were talking about, she's a litt one.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
It would be so sick.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
I was so excited to see the movement capabilities you
could do it with ASH, and I feel like there's
still a lot, but you're limited because of the fact
that it's on jump Like. If it was on a
different keybind, oh, like, you would never be able to
shoot an ASH like that.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I've heard a lot of people say there needs to
be like, dude, MMK, movement players are going to be free.
I mean that's already annoying to fight them. But when
they're tapstrafing off of the momentum of their dash thing,
Oh dude.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
The back dashes are crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
When they're staring at you shooting and still back dash
off that and then get behind covers and they can just.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Part like they can be perfectly aiming you and then
just side dash. Yeah, you just it's just not to
it's fun. It's fun to use.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, I would just like to say too with the
lower TTK, Wraith is filling out a McDonald's application with
that tactical she's got.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Like the fact that they left that the.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Same in a lower TTK where it's taking you five
years to start your twal up.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
That's tough. It's a tough look for Raith. It's a
tough look for somebody. What a fall from grace that
has been.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
But I just I would like to say with all
of the changes they made, everything would feel fantastic if
it had not been for the TTK change. Like, think
about all the things they added that were so cool.
The arsenal thing where you drop you have guns there
and you get an upgrade immediately off rip as long
as you I mean, you can't die from it. But

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like if you're hitting the upgrade you get a cool upgrade.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
They introduce one of the funnest legends I think in
a long time with Ash with the dashes, the movement ability.
What this game has always been about, which was the movement.
You get guns that are now back to being good
after having a pretty long time of shotguns being drastically
in the meta, and you have all of these different
things going on, but it's just the TTK just kind

(44:53):
of overbearingly changes the entire perception of it because you
can't really play the game that you've grown up playing,
because it's you're playing Call of Duty pubs. It's like
everything without that one small TTK issue, without the red
armors and without the helmets. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate because

(45:15):
I feel like it'd be extremely fun to play had
it not been for that.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
The interesting thing is, I feel like I was dying
really fast, but like I was, like even when I
was on like blue armor, right, or like like I
felt like I was still dying really fast. And I
feel like it was just because like maybe sometimes it
wasn't was getting headshot and I was like, what the fuck?
I just got like my entire HP taken out by
one wingman shot.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
But like.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
My my my thing is so more so it's just
like the reason why the t TA also feels so
fast is because of like the gun buff, right, But
like I don't mind the gun buff Let's keep that.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
It's just the helmets and the red shields. It felt
like all at once it was just too much. But
that's the way Apex seems to like to.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Do things like they always do everything big changes, yeah,
rather than like gradual build to it. At least That's
what I've kind of felt, because.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Like it would have been interesting definitely recently.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, Like imagine like they left the helmets, left the
red shields, and then people were like, Okay, this is great,
Like maybe they don't even make this change anymore. It
just feels so weird now that, like, you know, because
you know waalso two, like they're gonna let it play
out for a few months before they change it back, right,
Like they're not changing this anytime soon in my opinion. See,
I know you said they reverted it fast in the past,

(46:29):
but that was a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
I don't know if they will.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
They're gonna wan And yeah, I kind of agree with
you on that. I guess.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I guess the thing that they changed and I think,
I mean, since the last time they made this change,
probably all the devs have have swapped over to a
different game or a different project or whatever, and we
have a whole new set of devs doing this right now.
But when they first changed it, it definitely to me
at that time felt a lot worse than it does.

(46:54):
Right now because at least I get to use different
weapons and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
That's cool. I love that, and and and that's all great,
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I just I feel like they thought, Okay, last meta,
the fights were taking way too long, and so it
has to be the TTK, when it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
It was just the fact that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
You basically had a gold shield because everybody was running supports,
and the reset ability was so easy with the Newcastle,
a Lifeline and Gibraltar, it was just very easy to reset.
So that's why the fights were taking forever, is because
supports are healing double and they're resing extremely fast. I

(47:34):
just think they changed the wrong thing. I mean, once
you got rid of the support ability to take on
two cell or have the ability to use one cell
and have it fill up the two slots when you
go back to it, that's kind of the reason why
it was the way that it was. And instead now
you have an assault character who can crack, you can

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reload faster as a weapon that reloads from being stowed,
and you are highlighted for four seconds for the entire
enemy team. It's just like even with even if you
just did the TTK changes but didn't allow that to happen.
I feel like it feel at least a little bit better.
But the fact that everybody's running a soult, I get

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cracked and the whole team knows, and I'm highlighted for
four seconds, it makes it all something that's already infinitely easy,
way easier.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And that's where we're at right now. So it's unfortunate.
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I hope they revert something within the next couple of weeks.
I don't think they will. I would like to see
something change, though, because I just feel like it's a
little overbearing at this point. You do got to play
positioning a little bit better. But he was talking about
it earlier, like, if you're on a ranked grind and
you got to swap to EU servers and you're trying
to outlast cheaters and also very good players, that's gonna

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be tough.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
That's gonna be tough.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I understood a door opened on me and I was
too tapped by an EVA before I even I think
I shot one nine.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Bullet could be a skill is shoe? Could be a
skill is shoe?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I do look at the look at the Is that
what you said? Yeah? Watch that watch that clip. I'm
tweeting it tomorrow. That's my going live tweet tomorrow. Is
that clip?

Speaker 6 (49:14):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
We might have to throw it in the pod so people.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Keep are you guys clost to me.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Almost second?

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Know you absolutely have this.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
No, that's my going killed you. I got in in
that time frame. Yeah, I got hit by dude. When
that happened, I literally thought, I instant when that dude
apparently I got hit by two dirty thirty head shots.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Yeah, you get you.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Two flat line bullets.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Yeah, like you're.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
First shots like ninety five, second shots ninety five, and
I don't know when you get hit by the third shots, dude.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I just third shots and then two flatline bullets and
I literally just I peaked. I shot one sky shot
and I was dead, dude, and they shouldn't have known
I was there.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
And the other thing is two thirty thirty shots in
that time Like that's so fast.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
No, I'm pretty sure. I'm not not even gonna lie
to you. I'm ninety five percent sure of the kid
who had the thirties cheating. Yeah, yeah, no, like you,
but Steallic, that just it highlights for me, like what
it feels like to peak in season twenty four.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
By the way, the thirty thirty body shots are fifty
eight head shots ninety three, which is like a crazy
jump because like the triple take body shots sixty six
head shots seventy like definitely not nearly.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
The jump right there.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
That is so bad comparison.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, and then like the G seven thirty five body
fifty sex but like is that the max it did
used to have the scall piercer.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah, huh would you say, I think they're adjusting to
the fact that there's no scall piercer for the thirty, Yeah,
which is why the headshot disparity is so high, and
so that you have like a reason to use it,
because like if you don't have something like that, like
the scout's just better and then the triple takes just better.
But like if that if the thirty is something like
that on the head shots and you have a reason

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to use it over the.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Other two we were talking about the rampage earlier. Thirty
to the body, thirty eight to.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
The head yeah, yeah, is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
So there's there's there's lots of things that need to
uh to change moving forward, But this is where we
are at. We haven't seen any scrims yet, so I
don't know how this is going to look competitively, But
the second we get to see it, we will update
you guys and uh and talk about it.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
It's just saying I heard like something I don't remembe
it was, but that the goal of this was to
reduce third parties, and I don't think it reduces third
parties because the fact, like if you have a fight
with any noise, as soon as it's done, you get
third party and killed so easy. Like they're saying like
they want to reduce third parties by like having fights
and fast, but like I guess in theory, like that
does make sense, Like you know, if you and the

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fight fast, people don't have time to get to you.
But the problem is if you take any damage yourself,
you can't reset in time by the time another team
pushes you.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
By the time that team pushes you, you're dead. You
could be healing, you're.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Dead still and they're running an Ash By the way, Yeah,
they did this with right.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
They did this in mind, like knowing that they were
going to buff Ash to the moon and give her
two ultimates. You're able to have two ultimates that are
now built in longer than they were.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, range is crazy, brow the amount of distance that
you can You can probably cover a three hundred meters
and two seconds with a little port of portal.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
We should like to do like a long distance race
between Ash, Pathfinder and Octane and see no alts, just
the dash.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
See who gets furthest.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
I'm sure those other guys would probably get the furthest
because I think Aucting was doing I think I think
Auctane wins Ash close second. I think Pathfinders nowhere close
to be one of the fastest characters in the path
just running.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
You would have to have Loba is a better pick there.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Actually, you're right, So she gets she got the double bracelet.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Pathfinder one grapple thirty seconds. Loba throws throw, has two tacticles,
throws one gets a speed boost and it heals her.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
They hes to people, just throw the throw one of
them just to heels and not always cells and ship
like that.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
That's what they do.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah, dude, Like if you're like challeling somebody, I've literally
had Lobos just cue their feet right in front of me,
so they start getting like the little houth It's just
like who whoever was in charge of like the Pathfinder
had to not be in charge of the Loba because
they literally.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Murdered different Like people play different characters, and Pathfinders always
such a high pick crate, and so I guess they're afraid,
Like if they don't nerve Pathfinder and then like buff
the crap out of these other characters, then no one's
gonna like ever want to play other characters because like,
he has fun. He has fun, He's got crazy cool
skilled expression and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
But it sucks. You know, we all love our boy pathy,
and he feels like he doesn't get the love.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, it feels like he goes like seasons upon seasons
of just negative aura and then they give him like
one season in the sun and they're like, all right, Grandpa,
get back in side.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Even still kind of sucked. His grapple still kind of sucked.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
It's like the only reason he got played was because
his his alt was like really good and like you
got it so often, but even that, like you can't
get it as often anymore because you don't get the
same amount of all charge from scanning packages anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
So like, yeah, so that is where we are at
right now currently with season twenty four, Ladies and gents,
leaving the comments, which you guys think and what is
the problem with you or if you like it, because
there are people who I've seen who have liked it,
so that is a possibility. I don't think it's nearly
as bad as season six was, but I still feel
like we're playing a little bit of a little bit

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of call of duty and be nice to have our
apex back. But just ladies and gents. Yeah, it's gonna
be weird. Ladies and gents, We're gonna throw it on
down to the champion. Usaco hops on the pod, talks
to us about his championship run with Go Next, as
well as some of the future changes coming in ALGs
and what's going to happen with the team moving forward. So,

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without further ado, ladies and gents, let's hit a quick
ad and send it on down to our champion Usaco.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are here with a
very very very special guest for the first time on
the show. Usaco had that corrected before we started the show.
Usaco on the show for the first time, obviously, the

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winner from Go Next in their Champs run Usako.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
How are you doing, my man? How are you feeling?

Speaker 6 (56:02):
I'm done good and feeling kind of answers to start
already the Proleague and stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Perfect already back, ready to get back in it. Oh,
like we just finished. It's been a week.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
Yeah, you know, rack Cat is not it?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I think that's actually you know what, We've got so
much time to talk about all the Champs runs and
everything like that. I kind of want to start with
the brand new season and what has just changed. A
lot has changed, and I just kind of want to
hear your thoughts on it. TTK is a lot lower
and legends have been changed. It's a different meta, it's
a different weapon met everything's changed. How what are your

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thoughts early on on season twenty four?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Right now, I would say like.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Then took his way too fast compared to the old
meta and the fact that all the weapons are But
I think it's good. You can basically use any weapon
on the game, but all the sweps together, it makes
no sense. It is not feeling apex so in this
like fast a game like Code or something like that.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, it definitely has like a different feel to it,
and they've messed with this before, and I do get
that call of duty vibe at times, and it kind
of sucks because I think what makes Apex unique is
that time to kill and that ability to have a
little bit more time and make plays and do different
stuff like that. If you were to fix it right now,
where do you think what changes would you make to

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kind of get it back to where it needs to be.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
I will just give helmets back, keep the ams maybe
and the weapness as well, and in that never feel like,
maybe touch something about the stor as well. It feels
like you get ultimates all the time. So it's I mean,
it's Apex the game.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
But yeah, so you're not even worried about that they
removed red armors, because I will say the red armor
thing was kind of interesting. I'd always felt like edge
teams would get like such a massive advantage over zone
teams because like they could just not even do damage
and get reds. So you don't even mind, like if
they just kept their purples and blues. You just think

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that the best thing to bring back would be would
be the helmets.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
Yeah, I mean, obviously it favors a bit too a
some team because yeah, the elemental advantage will not be
a thing, but now you have at least like better
attachments of such team, So then like it would make
you to play easier and not just because of fifty

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health players when you in the five.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Yeah, also do with how strong the weapons are. A
team coming in with red armor versus a zone team
with blue armor would feel even crazier in this current
I couldn't imagine watching that.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, I don't think you would even compare it would
It would be And this is something we haven't even
gotten to see yet. But with this new change and
the TTK stuff, like we haven't even seen a change competitively,
there haven't really been scrims or anything like that at
this point. This would probably be something where it's like
I feel like we would lose a lot of value
from watching the competitive with some of the plays we

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get to make you kind of believe in that as well.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Yeah, I mean you will not say more like clutches
at all. You will just see fast wipes and a
lot of their parties as well. I mean it will
really depends off legend dance as well. Hold the gameplay
will be but they are basically like everyone will most
likely just with its own play defensive.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Well, this was a question, honestly for all three of you.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
I think all of you guys have more experience with
me with the new season than me at this point,
because I mean Jet lagged on in my mind. But
did they even tweak Newcastle and Gibe outside of a
few those support nerves?

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Are we expecting to see teams move away from the
double support meta that we just saw because it was
the most dominant metal we had at any Land with
those two characters being poked picked almost one hundred percent
of the time. So do we think that those two
characters are gonna be removed or are people still gonna
be running that? But like we're gonna see like Ash
or other assault characters coming to the mix replacing the third.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Do you guys know I would be I think that'd
be more for for Ian and Yusako.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Yeah, what do you guys think when it comes to
like meta? I know it's really early on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I think in comp I mean, I feel like Zaka
is definitely gonna have the best mind for this, But
I would say in COP I would be surprised if
they switch away from them. I mean, obviously we I
don't think we've seen any scrims or anything take place
really yet at like the highest level. But I think
Newcastle will definitely keep his spot. Shotguns aren't as good

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and like SMG's are kind of bad, so I don't know.
I could see it be getting swapped out and then
it being Ash Newcastle and then we'll find out who
takes that third spot. But that's the way I could
see it playing out. But uh, yeah, dude, the EVA
is nuts, the like the R nine is back, The

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R nine feels really nice. The lsar is absolutely just
downright just diabolically op and so like the Mastiff and
like not with the p K in the in the pack.
It's just I don't think we'll see nearly as much
Bubble Flash Newcastle like them being as dominant, But uh,

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I think Newcastle will definitely keep a spot.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Yeah, I kinda feel the same. It's like I mentioned before,
it really depends on first bounce. Like with make, if
people is actually running Meggie, I don't think there will
be neither give new guzzles. But if that is not Megas,
I think you because it will for sort of stay
on the meta at least. And Gibbie it depends you

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can make a play style around them. At the end
of the day, people is not going to run sultans
all fight s m D against Sultan, you should win
the fight. So it depends. I think that there will
be like a really different place styles over the over
the lobbies.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Yeah, I'm interested to see how it plays out, especially
because if you Okay, if I didn't realize the shotguns,
I guess the shotguns are still strong. They're just with
every other gun being viable now, it's not like they're
the best anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
So that probably puts us value there. That's pretty cool.
I like the mix up. I enjoyed the metal, but
I think we need a mix up from like what
we just witnessed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and and mix up makes sense, But to go
back to that meta and to go back to everything
that just went down, you guys, just win Champs, go next.
It was awesome to watch. You guys had a fantastic
tournament from start to finish. It was very interesting to watch,
a very interesting to see how everything shook out at
the end. But I guess my first question when it

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comes to winning and Champs and especially that final game,
was was there a moment where you realized, holy shit,
we're gonna win this. We are we're about to win champs.
Did that moment ever take place in your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
When we were on the truck and we saw the
team on the house rotating towards the heel, we were like, okay,
stop five. We know the other drum part team Dennis
on the cart, the one on the open field, and
the two two teams fighting on the hill. We had
like we have three third party and then we have
God spot because it pulls right in front of it.

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So as soon as they start fighting we saw Knox,
We're like, we won it, like weas need to stay alive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And when that when that happens, like when you're on
the stage and that moment finally comes up, the you
are the champion screen pops up, like what was that moment?
Like was there? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
What was what was the celebration? I guess what?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Did you have any thought in your mind or do
you did you kind of just black out when that
whole thing went down.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
I kind of luck out because it felt unreal right
after a long fucking rind of I don't know how
long has been apix out, four or five years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
With six.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Yeah, yeah, like basically from season one. I've been playing
the game and like my dream was winn Alan and yeah,
like I was in socker bit. I was happy. At
the same time, I wanted to cry because emotions and
it sounds really good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
I mean you've played a little lot of lands now too, right,
Like all the way back at Sweden, you guys have
qualified for almost every single land and it felt like
you guys should make finals quite often too, and just
just couldn't like figured out on the last day.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
But this time it seemed like you guys played a
lot better. We'll go through some of the games.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Because I thought your performance was really really strong and
finals was amazing to watch, and then you you get
to match point this time and you close it out.
Was there something that felt different about this tournament when
you guys came in, and something that felt different about
this final day? Like what do you think kind of
click that made it work out this time?

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
I mean I think in general, like we were so
confident in the squad because we know Sedan is like
by far, like one of the best rollers, like top
three rollers, and you is like alliance boys and a name,
so we were confident on our fighting and also to
a Jel, there was a lot of pre war behind

(01:05:31):
for him. Two callsons and hope people rotate on prios
and I would say just confidence and experience as well.
First lance like kick Lands with Land we were not
even fuller squad Carolina Ka got COVID and finals it

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was a sid so and then yeah, we just got
that experience on the by the way, because we could
fist them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Yeah, I mean on that and we'll talk, like I said,
I really want to talk about especially the two games
that you guys won, and we'll go through grite some
questions specifically about those two games. But you in Hierarcha
have been playing together for like a really long time.
The earliest I was able to see when I was
trying to like figure it out when you guys started
was I believe December of twenty twenty. Let me know

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if it was longer than that, But like, how did
you guys meet, how did you guys start competing, and
like how did you guys like be able to like
the team for over four years now?

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I don't remember xactly at the time, but sul be
around that it was like season one, I didn't speaking
list at all, so I played with the Spanish people.
Didn't like Reach much. Next season, I hate Thread, but
kept playing with them and started competing, and I felt
like I was getting get kept, get keep, So I

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was like, I'm going to open myself. I'm gonna speak
with other people speakers, and I just started a grand
didn't drunk so much. I was like sitting on everyone
back then, and he gave the opportunity to like to
start at screaming and stuff and says, then, yeah till now,

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and that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
You guys just teamed up one day and stuck together
ever since.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Son, Yeah, we split trunkets. I carried him and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Yeah, team up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It's so rare to see in in esports right now too,
where where two guys or you know, I mean, you'll
see two guys for for a long time. But I
don't e think I don't think it's been you know,
this long where you see two guys just stick together
for for the long haul. And I think through all
of the you know, failed lands and the times you

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made the finals but it didn't go your guys's way,
and all the bullshit that happened along the way, was
there ever a time where you guys thought about maybe
splitting up or was it always like no, it's me
and you you, and we're going to find somebody else
who can you know, compliment our place down soil, we
win the damp thing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
I mean, we were always like confident of each other, right,
what like what we could do? We wanted to win
a lot together. And at some point we split. It
was like so many things going on with the organ issues.
Tried a third with a match Acacotta would offer, So

(01:08:28):
I just took it like that team was like broken
or very like everything was going so bad, so we split.
That was the only split we did for one prodigue
he went with the scars and he's just standing for
heroes and we were like when we finished that, we
both got pissed on and we were like, this is

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running back. We know we're good together. We have so
much synergy. We saw it to for let's just roll it,
let's just click with the third player and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
And go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
And so, uh, how did you guys decide on ending
up to like have that third player? B is it done? Like?
What about it? I mean, obviously you've talked about how
it was just like the best, like the top three
control player. You did you guys have that view even
before you guys picked him up or how did that develop? Mmm?

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
I mean we can just so him playing really good
when he started competing, probably first time he was playing
like I don't remember his Steam to be fair, but
spainings players and he was like popping off with the
Raizon meta and and yeah, we saw him busy on
everyone on rankets we face him. He was busy on us.

(01:09:47):
It was like, this guy is so good. And yeah
we we we played drunkards together, we biped and we're like,
let's just do it. We can do it. We have synergyes.
We play some tourneys, we won them. But then yeah,
after that time, we finally loop up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I would like to give you some flowers as a
short king myself. When I saw the trophy like Ceremony
come out, I was very happy to see you guys.
Let he hierarchy go to the middle so that he
wasn't on the end and not touching the trophy, because
unfortunately our man phony he got a bad he got
a bad he got a bad look last land, and

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so I was very happy to see you guys let
him get in the middle, right there, short king, the
short king. I just want to say thank you for
the other short kings out there for making for making
him look good there, because that would have been a
tough picture if he was on one of the sides.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
So shout out to you. Thank you for that. I
appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Yeah, yes, yes, oh yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
You guys talked about it beforehand.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
No, I mean it was like, I got me the
guys in no way I went to the side. I
wouldn't have tritch just you have to you just.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Have to let him grab it first. A lot of
people were talking about it. I just I know I
was on the sidelines. I was away from why at
this point, and I heard people going, Oh, are they
gonna put him in the middle?

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Is he like?

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
It was?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
It was a concern people think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, it was the first thing I thought of. I
was like, I hope to god he gets to the middle.
I just I need him to get to the middle.
If he's on the outside, it's gonna be a tough look.
I'm happy he got that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I do have to ding him for something.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
When they were talking to everybody on the on the stage,
he kind of dominated the mic. Did you want to
did you want to take a moment to kind of
say something? Because he just talked the whole time. He
didn't let anybody get some shy I.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
Mean, yes, I'm not, like I was so nervous, and
I also like in front of so many people. Yeah,
and the yeah, I mean yeah I would. I could
kind of regreate of not saying some words, but like
I could have asked for it, you know, I just
didn't do it because I was nervous. I was just
smiling all the time. I couldn't really speak to you fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
How heavy is the Was it a heavy trophy?

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
And then I also actually heard that that podium was
like not really stable, like like Greek basically told me.
He goes, as he's walking out, the guy goes, okay,
you gotta put it on the podium. Trophy is really heavy.
He goes that podium also is not stable whatsoever. And
Greek's like, why are you telling me this? As I'm
I want to go out there and play. So were
you guys worried about dropping it at all?

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
Yeah? Be careful because spend the week.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
Yeah, let's not it's a podium like like I don't know,
like I want to say, it's like seven by seven
wide and like like you just knock it over with ease.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Yeah, anyways, that's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
But so yeah, I kind of wanted to get right
into those games though, because like two things I want
to talk about first. Actually I have a bunch of things,
don't know, I said too, I want to first talk
about So overall for the tournament, you guys were tied
for second most wins, but if you really look at it,
you guys played less games than both Knocked Them and Fanatic,
So realistically, like you guys had the second most wins

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per game played right one right behind Aurora. What was
it that you guys were doing because I noticed, like
you said, you mentioned your zone team. I saw lots
of times you guys always had like that spot just
pretty much right out at the end zone in those
games that you won. What was it that was happening
in this tournament that you think was helping you be
so consistent with closing out games, not just getting points,
but actually closing about.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
I think, like, look kind of what I mentioned before,
like they had so much pre work made for the
song so we kind of knew where all the songs
were pulling. I don't think he actually missed one song,
maybe one or two. But anyways, we were like in
a disoness book to play the game, and Catalyst as
well helped a lot to be consistent because if it
was a pullback or it's pulling a bit more far

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than we thought, we can actually retate. People is just
stacked in the fucking bubble New Casque and Drumpard's balls.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
So I think the telepallot, Yeah, that's like in the
two finals games, like both zones where you guys win.
Arka is very confidently saying I know this one, trust me,
Like I know this one, and then he would see
the zone pull one way and he goes, this is
a pullback, and like he was getting like really good
calls with it. But then that kind of leads into

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the next thing I really want to talk about was
the catalyst. So when I was looking at the numbers,
Rampart was picked like sixty five percent of the time
and Cat was picked like sixteen percent of the time.
So Cat like out of the compositions like the Newcastle
Gibbie Cat was the second most, but like the sixty
five percent of the sixteen was still a pretty big jump,
which was surprising to me because I thought going into

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the tournament, I thought a lot more people would play cat.
I was shocked to see how many ramparts showed up.
But you guys played Catalyst Alliance and the many other
teams that did really good weren't running the rampart. They
were running other characters, most often the Catalysts and Stuch
like that. And then like you said, like I think
it really contributed to like those wins when we get
into like the the two finals games, like huge value

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came from Catalysts in both those games. So what was
it from you guys that, like you decided to stick
on the cat and knock o the rampart like most
other teams were.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
I mean, I'd love to play rampart with her.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I would have it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
I played Lake before everything like very lgs, and I
wanted to keep it up. But it came like our
coach cook, like yes, like everyone is playing rampart. They
have not rotations we have like it makes like the
actually adult like you mentioned on the two games we won.

(01:15:37):
The first game we won on the finals that cut
Waal just gave us half of the ring just for us,
because nobody's going to cross it. Nobody's gonna edgify. It
gives way too much space, And yeah, it's on him,
he's literally NYM. Also two field roles on the team
because as I said, like I could play rampart, but

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having a sit down that is a natural will be
a troll obviously, like is one of the best gibies
so and alside yelling, I think's it helps a lot
being that character and beta. So yeah, like see down comfort,
pink comfort Peak is a catalyst and fra characters, So

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I yes, adapt myself when that is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
That's pretty cool then too, because like, yeah, the role
fit is something that I've learned this year is like
so important. Once upon a time I was like every
pro player should be able to just learn and and
like be able to be the best on a character.
But like, I think that role fit actually is a
lot more important than people realize. But yeah, like again,
if we talk about that game seven in general, that
was a pretty wild game.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
So ARCA goes down twice.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
You're doing everything you can to keep your team alive,
and then you guys run out of bats and sells
completely in both you and who are are correct in
those moments? What are you thinking about, like how are
we gonna win this game? Or how are we gonna
even maximized points for this game? When you're just in
a position that feels like that fucked honestly.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
Yeah, I mean your first thought is like we are doomed,
like we have nothing, we have no mets, we have
literally see ourselves when we arrive the spot near the bridge,
and yeah, pretty much when you're in the situation, you
just need to wait enemies to to troll and get
an opportunity. If you engage something, you most likely willia

(01:17:28):
just die. I'm more even more on those stack games.
We just hold it. We waited for the white third
party perfect time in Cudwall wipe, we get loot did
Now you can play the game. Now you can take
the decisions, but until then you need to be passin.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Yeah, yeah, how do you keep that composure though?

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Like or do you ever like I don't know how
to word this because I don't want to imply anyone
ever gives up? Like do you ever feel like, okay,
this one is just like we no pun intended go
next year? Or like how do you keep the composure
like to you know, stay focused in those games when
you're when you're in a situation like.

Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
That, I mean, I guess you get it by like experience, right,
even though I'm like probably the most gritty guy on
the team and the guy who was always picking and
loose mets, But like when you're focused and you know
you need to do it, otherwise you're no option to
keep playing the game. And we're like in Alan, we
need to win it. I guess like you mentalize yourself

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of I'm not picking this, I'm playing safe. I'm just
first picking andy info come in and just follow whatever
that Idel says.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Yeah, just building, just building the iron mental And then
like you said, like oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Why no, I was just gonna I didn't know if
you were still on the content because I was going
to bring it back to something he Arcis said, which
was in the in the postgame pressure. Obviously, you guys
come through and you had some of those moments that
Jumbo was talking about where it's you know, it looks
like everything's dire and then somehow you guys are able
to get it back. It seems like your guys' zone

(01:19:01):
calls were spot on the entire time. When Hiarka was
talking in the post game, he was talking about how
they you guys kind of embraced the the underdog role
and that was something you guys actually appreciated and enjoyed
when it came to that, How do you embrace something
like that? How did you did you guys talk about
it beforehand? And when was that moment where you realized,

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like we are no longer the underdogs. We are actually
in a prime position to probably get in that money
at the very least and maybe even win this thing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Hmm. I mean, like we always believed on ourselves was
like we wouldn't be like spending so much time grinding
on We'll just do something else. So going there, we
had so much confidence on the team. PLDs didn't go
bl finals didn't go go with us, we thought, but

(01:19:56):
we keep the mental on it. We keep that we
were the best. We we could fight anyone. We saw
it on the Sclam's kind of any tributary, legit tributary
will win them, even though we have been and yeah,
it's confident on us pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
And I think the interesting part with you guys and
you and Hierarcha being teammates for so long, because we
typically don't get to see teams stay together this long.
And I've always wondered when it comes to that first
Land that you guys made a finals lobby in versus
now was there? How much growth was there within the mental?

(01:20:37):
And also, like Jumba was talking about that, you have
the game where you're out of meds, you have nothing,
do you think you would have reacted differently in that
first Land and kind of just been like, ah, you know,
we probably don't got a chance at this versus now
where you end up winning the whole game. So what
was the How much growth have you seen in the
mental between that First Land finals and this one?

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Like in every aspect, even like the mental of like
you lose, like we started really bad these finals, We like, yeah,
we were doing some points and stuff. And I forgot
to mention the last question, Like after game five is
when we saw like I think it was game five,
the Barameter game, we saw like we can win this.
We played so good we could have actually closed that game,

(01:21:22):
but we did a micro mistake. And it's just about
keeping the mental of after losing enough game or two
or three or whatever, it's not over, you know, like
if you win. If you win, they cannot close the game,
even the you'r last space.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
So it's.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
It actually like also is little experience of holding the
mental don't get tilted, don't let the feelings go over
you just focus on yourself, focus on gaming, and it will.
It will eventually happen.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
And then the funny thing is is like when we're
talking about that game, so yeah, you guys like similarly
were saying, you guys, get that cat all down, separate
the whole zone, force the other teams to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
You guys go into that final three v three it's alliance.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
I mean, I was listening to your comms obviously, like
there's a lot of chaos going all that boy bubbles down.
Did you guys have any idea that, like, if Zidan
doesn't win that one v one, that the tournament's over
right there and that you kept the tournament going. Did
you guys have any idea that in the moment or
did you find that out after.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
We found out when we move up to the tree,
And I don't remember if they noticed. I think they didn't.
I'm not sure to be fair, but I think they
didn't because I remember we spoke about it, but I
saw a Catalyst on on the roof of the head
and I was like, that's Alliance Falcons. We saw they die,
they went on the side, they dropped, and yeah, I

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mean it was a tribute tree.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
And now that I think about it, just focus on it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
Yeah, focused on the tributary and the kind of ignore
who the fuck was it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
You just need to win it, so of course, no
matter what, you just gotta win the game right there, right, Yeah,
But I forgot that they were probably the only CAT
team on match point at that time, right because there
was probably like four or five teams there, so that
was spot.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
I think only both of us played Catalyst on finals.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, I was gonna say. I was like, yeah, you
guys might have been the only two.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Okay, I couldn't remember off the top of my head.
With the entire lobby and als status was actually alas
Status had you guys playing Valkyrie for the entire finals,
which I knew you guys played one game on Valk,
but you played the entire thing on CAT.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
So I was like, the stats were just wrong. I
couldn't keep the track of that who was playing what
that day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yeah, so in that last match, did you guys know
that it was LG and that it was like a
similar situe that it was like, all right, the winner
is going to be whoever walked out of this.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
No, we, I mean we were trying to track as well,
like who was dying and and stuff when you like
most of the teams were dead and that most likely
one of the teams there or even both of them
were much fun. Yeah, we couldn't like identify because everyone
was dismitting the comps.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Yeah, and then like why I got to try out
those headphones.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
I don't know if you like, if there's bigger crowd cheering,
you guys can hear you can tell me soccer, but
like they can't hear anything. So at least when I
tried those headphones and I was playing with them, I
couldn't hear shit. So I was I've always wondered, like
if people who are like playing can hear the crowd
like starting to roar when there's only like three match
point teams left and you know the term is gonna end.
But I don't think you can, Like, I don't think

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you could ever figure that out because of the fact
that you can't hear ship through.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Those before you actually cooled a bit, like listen everything right,
but you could look at feel the noise, the background noise.
But now but that they added like the white noise noise,
you can hit anyth then it's way too load. Yeah,
it's way too load, like it's it's kind of disgusting.

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Note you can sometimes well during game out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
I didn't know that they I didn't know they added
white noise.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Now that's wild, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
That's actually I hate those headphones in general. They were
killing my ears. But you guys use earbuds underneath them, right, yeah, yeah,
that's like earbuds with those on top and white noise.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
I don't even know how you guys played with you I.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Think I think that is the top of the head. Yeah,
like all the night with head with the head tucked.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
In that last game, similar thing happens though, like at
the beginning of the game, Arca sees the zone like
and you guys, as soon as you scan it, he's
like this just overlook it's pulling back, which a lot
of people running obviously ran part so like they would
have had console. But any team that didn't have console
might have thought that that was a climber zone and
like been a little bit confused about it. You guys
not only know that, but then you're landing at Big

(01:26:01):
Mod and guys was free, which was like did you
guys see guys are free and just they like, holy shit,
our worlds are just gonna be like so like good
for us, like because you have that whole pio wide yourselves.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
Yeah, I kind of because we probably we probably the
s B and Idy because normally like Landslide and Big
Mouth are open or Gezer and we already played all
the all those boys. Maybe Lancelot was the last one.
And yeah, like when we saw actually gaze it open,

(01:26:35):
we were like, that's actually so good. It's actually really good.
Because sometimes gayser team bothers because so slow slow they
decided to get keep or this way it's time. And
I think like MB didn't want to go geys it
because Drop knows how we play. Oh no, big Mouth,

(01:26:57):
we we just push. We just pussed geyser whoever is
in geyser if you taken too longer than a poose.
So I think he decided to go because of that.
But I couldn't say, well.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
I know that because he's a guy who's always played
from big mud stacks, like when he was with Optic
and everything like that, and he knows how teams play
out of guyser from understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
He hates guys, like I've heard him talk about it before.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
But yeah, like so then like the zone pulls overlook
and like, do you guys just like like again, like
I mean here Arca starts shouting it, but like, are
you guys thinking, Okay, this could be the one where
we close out for sure, because you guys just had
such great prior and so much looke after at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
Yeah, the only issue we saw like we had no iback.
We could have like actually ebac after the tunnel into
the god Spot house, but we had no eback, so
we lost the prior to it. I don't know if
Abul looked him was holding that, I cannot remember. So
we just decided to like hold back. We played with
that a back three. We just got there more points,

(01:27:55):
not like we were he knew, he knew the song
was there. We need to week on our fourth Veacon
isn't wanted the Evo cars and got a bit more
lute and maybe maybe find an ebac and says we
saw the sun is actually pulling that hundred percent. There
is no doubt. We called evakin, but we had no

(01:28:16):
luck on it, so we just need to use catalyst
to rotate there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Were you aware? I have to double check this too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
I only saw this on Twitter, but I'm pretty sure
Furia was trying to evac and slam on your position,
and I think madness or someone gets shot at the
sky which stops them from slamming. Are you guys and
you guys just like are able to hold your position
for free? I'd have to double check on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
I didn't look back at that. But were you guys
aware that something like that was about to go down?

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
I mean, we get in the slub too. Definitely not.
We were watching the bag, we were watching the tunnel side.
There was a team holding there. But I don't think
anybody was expected somebody flying on our sailoves because it's
just so risk it's so risky.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Yeah. I don't think they even got popped the evac.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
He got they they were calling for it and they
got shot off the evac, but they they were gonna
try someone someone was going to I know that I
can't remember what team it was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
I thought of his Furia, but they never got the
e back off. They got slept out of the air.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
So yeah, I was just I wonder like how that
would have, Like I don't know if they even win
the fight, like you said, because it's too risky, you
guys probably just clean it up. But still unless and
then after I mean why it had already asked, like,
you know, you guys see that winning moment, but do
you guys drop that cat wall separate the two teams
VP and LG to fight, and then it like it
is just a cluster fucking that final circle closing, and

(01:29:34):
I think it's you or Zidon literally just survives like
in that final zone. So like, however, you guys basically
just trying to do in that situation. Literally as it's closing,
all three teams just try not to die.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
Oh yeah, we wouldn't time with the cutwall, so they
used utility and maybe maybe they fight each other. Mm,
we just hold it good utility. And then I think was, yeah,
what was we p Yeah, what was we? Who slammed
us out?

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Yeah, I don't know where i ERCA went. I went
straight to the bottom inside the zone bottom. Yeah, I
don't think the LG saw me. So I managed to
get back. So then killed the Newcastle who slammed us.
And it's a good wag Q and play behind the
que they were fighting each other and see then just

(01:30:24):
dive Byson. I was like half a twee steel and
I just tried to kill the guy by die by zone.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
So I know you wan, sorry, I'll let you go up.
Do you guys know you won or did you only
know you won what you saw? You were the champion?

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
I mean like my mother was a trumpeter reddy, you know,
but they're like when I saw it, fluss and I
was like unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
I I was just thinking about you know, we've had
so many people come on the show and talk about
like how important I gLing is and and you know
how how important the macro, the micro you put it
all together, it makes something great. But there are the
moments where I just feel like Apex just becomes man
on man, like I just I'm just trying to survive here.
And I felt like that final Zone was one of

(01:31:11):
those moments where there's no amount of iglling, there's no
amount of micro macro you can do You're just trying
to survive and watching you go down into the bottom
and just try.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
To like hole up there see what I can do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
I feel like that at the end of the day
is like that separation of Yes, you do need to
have a good IGL, you do need to have good
micro and macro. But there comes a point where it's
like the game, there's so many bodies. There's the zones
on your back, there's things stabbing you, there's things shocking you.
You've got like all these things all around you. And
I feel like at that moment it was just like

(01:31:43):
I'm just gonna just shoot and see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Yeah, it's pretty much like IGL will get you to endgame.
Your microlacism will not interfere on the micro calls, and
when you get to the end, like toe step in game,
everyone is I mean you I am. I watched RE
watched it, and from my pobum face it I could

(01:32:09):
see like four guys knocked and the other two guys
is playing the knock. Like in that moment, you don't
see that much info, Like you see all of them
on the floor do you don't know what to do
at all? You just sliding when you the sun is
touching your grass and try to kill them before you
die or get blocked out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Yeah, and that's.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
No, I just say, that's what I mean. Like it was,
like it's so funny to watch. And that's why I
even said, like, did you even know you won? Because
I don't think we knew who was gonna win.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
After I had no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
I'm I don't remember. I thought I was the only
person standing at that point. I was standing the entire
final fight, probably blocking the view sites of everyone behind
me because we were dead center, front row, and then
like we we the only way we found out is
by the title screen saying go next to your champions.
I had I don't even know who they were expectating
on the main feed, like we could not tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
It was just a cluster, and I'm sure it was
even even crazier for you, but it was. It was
one of those moments where after afterwards, did you did
you take a moment to kind of stand there and
take it all in like you had just won at
Champs on the biggest land that there had ever been.
There's thousands upon thousands of people in the crowd. Did
you ever take a moment to just kind of stare

(01:33:25):
in the crowd, take it all in, or where you're
too a little too nervous, too many eyeballs.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Yeah, I think every every single credidit instead of them
like it was insane. The crowd was amazing, like never
felt like that before and any land, So there's no
word was playing it. Do you look at them? Do
you know like that all watching what you like to do,

(01:33:53):
competing that on Championship on Japan, That's crazy, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
And you guys those sick ass jackets too, those jackets
were sick.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I wanted to go back to something you had mentioned earlier,
which was you you talked about the two maps that
you guys were prioritizing, and this was the first ever
land where we had three maps in rotation. I actually
don't know that for sure, but I'm pretty sure it's
the only map or only one where we had three
maps in rotation, and if not, it was the only
one where there was a draft with three maps in rotation.

(01:34:27):
How much do you think that affected not only your
guys' games, but also other teams games, because I do
think that there was some really good teams out there
that just weren't prepared for a three map draft to
kind of put themselves behind the eight ball because of
their picks on particular maps. Do you feel kind of the.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Same, Yeah, I mean I think the other having a
good analyst or culture whatever you want to call it,
anker that actually started a lot to union Screams and
make the cookach difference on the po draft. Otherwise, like
you will end up with one maybe good PI another

(01:35:06):
will there will be awful or not awful, but you're
you're not gonna get used to to play them because
we we tested all all the pos we played. We
tested on Screams, stepped Barameter, but we played it back
in time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
So do you feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Why did you pick the two maps that you guys
were prioritizing personally? Like what what was the reasoning behind
picking those two maps when when you guys were going
through your draft?

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Mmm?

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
I mean SB, I think it was our best map
in general. Ed was Descent and is what I said before,
we can get like since we had a good draft,
we had the number seven pretty sure, uh, we could
get like two good pois and just play Landes Gase

(01:36:00):
big Mouth because we played it already and if yeah,
if you have a song like we had, you just
close it. If not, you can you can't cook. You
can make some different tactics. Yeah, it's all about free work,
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
And and you brought up the analyst and different stuff
like that when you guys are getting ready for the draft,
because this was also kind of the first time I
got to see like a draft in person where they're
they're doing it like on the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
How much of that is your guys' input? How much
of that is analysts?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Like is it almost like ninety ten analysts is basically
picking the spot or you guys kind of collaborating and
trying to figure out the spots together.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
M mainly like Malely and our coach did it together
because like, yeah, he needs to be comfortable on the
PI to igl. But the coach just studied everything. He like,
I think was the key on that. On the drops,
it was the key just literally studied everything. On the screams,

(01:37:04):
we even picked pis. We didn't want on screams to
see what people will pryor so we had like kind
of advanced list of other teams. I guess they need
the same many others.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
And this was also the first land with E District
on it, and I kind of wanted to get your
thoughts on the map overall, because I feel like a
lot of the pros really liked the district.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
But what were your thoughts with with ED.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
I think it feels refreshing, things different map. I think
it's a good map. Maybe I don't know. I don't
really I don't really think there's anything but the map
more than maybe the big walls that you cannot evac
through and you need a bark, but you have a

(01:37:50):
lot of chokes as well. Do you have a lot
of possibilities. So I don't think it's a big deal.
I think it's really nice, probably the best map with SB.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Yeah, I have been really happy of it joining and
then Broken Moon is entering now to like leading in
the next year. Is on the topic of maps, you know,
do you seem happy about that? I can't tell what
that reaction is that I could just tell.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
Now we actually played it on w C and yeah
we've got top three and the only game they played
on that map Violent Things are good map. I think
like it's it's ready for competitive I.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Mean, what do you need to get there?

Speaker 6 (01:38:37):
The puis. I don't know the puis. I don't think
that balance at all. And there is chokes, so many chokes,
that's fair. I know there's some songs so hard to
get in the eats.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
What would you put itish like your top three pois
that are like two op mm.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
Hmm, I don't even know the name, to be fair.
The one then is so so big a middle of
them up in the middle. Yeah, that one is like
you can sit there for five years, cut everyone rotation
and just play like a random game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Mhm.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
And also you do you have like if I don't
remember wrong, you have like two consoles kind of because
of the tunnel beside it, and I don't know watch
pos as well. Oppo is something that is much but
they're not compensated. Do you have like the one near

(01:39:40):
I don't know the name, something about it, the one
on the north.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Near not dry Gold cheese. It's I know which one
he's talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:39:52):
I just need to it's like a no name. It's
just a no name, but it's actually a poi. It
does like four houses and tony beans.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Oh then maybe I'm not I don't know which one
we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
The one that has ziplane towards the asthma is called
something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
Yeat not not hasmat for a cliff side, like like
that one ray cliff Side stasis. Those are like central though,
Like there's Alpha base which is like far north. And
then one of the ones that a lot of people
like is break your Wharf, but that's actually a named poy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
The one that's like more of like a no name.
It is named though, but that's cliff Side.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, those pis makes no sense
at all. You have no loot on those.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
With poy draft it's interesting because like I know, they're
trying to avoid dividing up, like like with most poys
that had two drops got rid of them, like a
lava siphon doesn't have it anymore, climate doesn't have it anymore.
But I feel like you can't have quarantine zone with
just one like that needs to be split by two
because if not, like you said, like, people are just
gonna sit there way too long. They get way too

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many much loot. It's juiced and they could rotate whenever
because they have access to the zip line. So the
it's gonna be interesting once we find out what the
POY draft looks like, because that's that's the one thing
I'm not sure of right now. When we saw it
at both EWC and even in BLGs, like it wasn't
POY draft, so people would you know, you have contests,

(01:41:28):
you have people not going certain pos because they don't
want to contest the team there, So it plays out
so much different than like what we'll see once a
POI draft is there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
So I think that's gonna be like the big thing.

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
I want to say it, but I don't think is that.
I don't think the map is not much ready.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Yeah, I in the middle is crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
Yeah, Quarantan is crazy. I have them up now. Cliff said,
this ship, as much as sh solar pots is probably
the worst one. I think it's like an extra PI
for foundry. There's so much upon a space below ist
this is a ray and the Terra format between that,
there's so much space for nothing. Yeah, they're not under

(01:42:09):
the pass. Yeah, I don't think there is anyone else.
It is like maybe playable pis for thirteen, pis fourteen,
pis the Alpha.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be weird to see
to see that map enter the rotation, but that wasn't
the only change that's coming to ALGs in year five.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Apparently looks like there's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Going to be some sort of legend band system that
they mentioned on the broadcast on finals. I don't know
the full details of that at this point. I think
they're still working out and then they're trying to like
hone it in or maybe they already have it and
they just haven't released the full thing yet. But as
far as in your opinion, do you think that that's
going to be healthy for ALGs moving forward or do
you think it's kind of better to have the system

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that we've had over the last number of years.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
I think it's gonna be good. Maybe kind of a fiesta.
People will make many different things. Maybe loveies get less stacked.
But I think we'll bring more fun to the to
the v words because you will not just see eighteen
Gibe's Newcastle ramparts on the lobby. You will see actually

(01:43:16):
a fuse aulting you, then Maggie pussy like crazy. I
think it's gonna be good. It will be It will
just give more how to say, oh diversity, yeah to
the game things is good.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
I'm just making sure. Okay, so it is announced how
it will work. Yeah, So it's just like I just
want to make sure because like I thought I knew
how it worked. I'm like, I don't want to leak anything,
but like, yeah, certain. Now, so like they're just gonna
ban basically whoever the most used legend is per game,
and then after if a legend from an entire class

(01:43:57):
category like so of every single support like and gets banned,
the first one that was banned comes.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Back up available.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
Oh but yeah, so like still, but it's like, yeah,
whoever the most used characters. So if Gibbie is used
ninety nine percent of the time in the first game,
Gibbie's out the next game, and that's gonna really mix
it up. That's what I thought was interesting, because it's
like other games do legend bands were, like the teams
pick who they want to ban. But like the reason
I I'm assuming and I'm pretty confident that they're doing

(01:44:24):
this is because realistically, the roster is so big, like
the teams could just band together and be like, okay,
let's all just ban fucking Ballistic because they know no
one's gonna play Ballistic, right, Whereas like, now this is
going to like force teams to be a little bit creative,
at little bit creative because like, imagine we had a
what this was a nine game Matchboy Final?

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
We had ten in Germany and thirteen at EWC.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Imagine like that many legends being banned going deep into
matchmoy five.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Can become Yeah, yeah they what was EWC thirteen thirteen thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
A matt that I can't even that's gonna be the
team cops are going to be crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Actually, I dude, when I saw that, I was like,
that is better than I ever thought it was going
to be. Yeah, when you think about it, they've kind
of been like s tier like for all, I'm very
disappointed with the current APEX season, but in terms of
like the the like developments that they've had to competitive,

(01:45:23):
like the POI draft Fire. Now we get the band
system Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
I just it's it's it's cool, yeah, And I think.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
It's gonna make analysts and and and coaches a lot
more valuable as well, because now it adds a whole
new role that they have to kind of fill and
try to figure out. And I think it's going to
make for I mean, we've already seen how it's added
to the broadcast where you have you know, guys like
JA breaking down the POI draft and stuff like that.

(01:45:53):
You can add this into a whole nother discussion topic
in the off season stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
So that's got to be exciting. I would assume if
you're if you're a pro player.

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
Well I I and maybe you could even attest to this.
I think some pro players are buried though, because they
like being There's some pros that like they obviously are
comfortable in certain metas and they're comfortable on certain you know,
like like just three characters running that and they have
comfort picks or not even just comfort picks, they what
would there would be like almost like a comfort comp

(01:46:24):
and like once that moves away and they have to
be flexible, I think it's gonna expose a lot of
pro players that can't make those changes, like and teams
that can't make those changes. Like there's some teams that
run specific comps even outside of the meta, and now
they're going to be forced not to potentially.

Speaker 6 (01:46:42):
Yeah, I mean people will need to start being flexible.
I think that will help a lot to the team.
And yeah, I mean it's so it will be it
shouldn't be like, oh, it's played two characters, but always
one of them will be a meta. So I'm fine
that's will be like I just would be able to
play maybe not all of them, but most of them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
M hm yeah. Yeah. So we just got a few
more questions here.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
We really appreciate your time and and it's been awesome
and it's great to have you on.

Speaker 6 (01:47:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
The one question that we ask everybody is which bunk
is your favorite? And I think you're gonna have a
little bit of a jaded answer here, but when you're
on the main stage, there's the top and there's the bottom.
I'm pretty sure you guys won from the bottom, so
I'm assuming that would be your answer.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
But you like top or bottom?

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
I said, you shouldn't even have told him where he
was sitting.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
We need to know first to be fair.

Speaker 6 (01:47:35):
I wanted to see the top. Okay, yeah, because we
did top and what's actually good huh yeah, to stay
on bottom so we were closer to the bathroom and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
There was not like much pry of what you guys
were in that third that third bunk from the right,
like it went one, two, three, right, you're in the
third one interesting. I mean, I do need to let
you know that I did play in the show match,
and I did win a game from that bunk literally
two days before you guys won finals.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
So I don't know. It might have been because I
played from there.

Speaker 5 (01:48:11):
It might have been because I played from there not
only won a game, I came second, and like I
had no business coming second in that fucking show match.
But so could be that could be that in fact,
actually our bunk we were technical team, but like we
there are the guys, the three guys that were in
that bunk. We won three out of four games. So yeah,
I think it was just booth three. I think you
need to always get boot three.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
I think you need to focus on Booth three in
the future. That's that's what we're getting to.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Yeah, notice that, honestly right now.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
I noticed that because as we were talking about Kiarka
post game and everything like that, you guys had like
fire celebration. We talked about championship celebrations on this and uh,
I've never seen three guys so happy. I feel like
for winning a land I don't know, and I love
freaking Yarka getting up on the desk before the actual
final game.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
Love that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
So he was gonna have a heart attack. He is
jumping all over the last you did collapse.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
You just laid on the floor after all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Yeah, it was beautiful to watch. I called that championship
celebrations right there. That's that's what I like to see.
I love to see it. But I guess I kind
of just have one final question before I'll throw it
on down to E, and that is I don't know.
I've never asked. I feel like I've had plenty of
opportunities to ask. When you win, do you do you

(01:49:27):
get your own trophy? Do you get your own individual trophy?

Speaker 6 (01:49:31):
M no, I mean I think they only get trophy
on the online championship. Okay, cod Now you get just
the medal.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Okay, Okay, I was just I was wondering. I was
just wondering.

Speaker 6 (01:49:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I think you only get the
medal and.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
The sick jacket.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
Jacket and the jacket.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I actually think the jacket is a cool idea because
like a lot of sports, they try to do something,
the jacket is pretty sick, you know, It's it's very
golf asked in the chairs, when you guys get your chairs.

Speaker 6 (01:50:06):
I don't know. I must give myself to say yeah,
but it's like it's so good though. Those chairs are
so nice. And I came back home sitting on this one.
I'm like, please film me.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
Back exclusive, the exclusive Herman Miller's with the soccer flowers
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
That's what I was talking about with Don. We're like
those fucking chairs, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
It was like you want to hit him with it? Yeah? So, Zach,
are my last question and the question that we ask
everybody who comes on, because everybody who comes on is
performing in the top one percent of the field that
they've chosen, and you certainly fit the bill for that.
What is one thing that you've learned along the journey

(01:50:56):
from from like where you started out to where you
are now that somebody could take, regardless of the field
that they're pursuing, and apply to help them reach that
top one percent.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
I would just say for you to focus on yourself,
ignore all the haters, and if you really want it,
grind it. Be have about the criticism or whatever it's
called to say. It's just I mean, it's whether you

(01:51:32):
do you keep up after trying, then don't even try it.
You will have to torn on your chessel, your life.
So this is God for it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
You have nothing to lose, all right, So follow up
to blocking out the haters, I'm assuming is that what
you in Hierarcha have done post your win, because like apparently,
if you're not Alliance or if you're not Alliance or Falcons.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
It's basically if you don't if you don't have a
big name name.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
What yeah, what has your guys reaction been to just
the apparently, like the debate on there out on Twitter
about whether or not you guys are good enough to
deserve to win or not?

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
I mean you can you can speak about our other
performance at Land, Yeah, you can do it. Can you
speak about this one? I don't think so. I think
we played pretty solid from the start, so this is
deserve it? Like, yeah, you can say it's a meta.
Everyone is playing the meta. You could have win as

(01:52:39):
well if you were it right, that's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:52:46):
If you want me to know the numbers like I
Like I said, you guys won the second most games
at the Land. People want to say it's the meta.
Anyone could have won. You clearly showed consistency on the
Land actually closing it out. Top ten in groups. You
guys went through winners. You didn't go through losers, you know,
and then like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
You had what was it second most points overall or
how much points overall? Was it fifth?

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
Actually, regardless of the fact you guys are top five there,
I don't think that that's anyone should be saying that's
not deserving of a match point win.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
That's the format and you guys did it, so.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Yeah, if that's the past.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
And the funny thing is, like, I know, like there
was recent stuff on Twitter that went down, but it
wasn't even just Twitter.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
It was like it was all over the place. People
were saying it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
And yeah, I think it's just I think it's people
just being loud and not paying attention to, like what
the actual results are. If you if you go back
and you pay attention to the tournament, now it's a
deserving winning.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
Congrats, you guys deserved it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
And the last thing too, is I when I went
back and looked and did all the research, the amount
of finals lobbies you guys have made it to is
actually pretty on par with a lot of the bigger
names in APEX. You know, there wasn't the the you know,
top tens or whatever. But you made finals consistently over
a number of years, so you guys were always consistently there,

(01:54:02):
and then when the time came, you guys were able
to hop on and finally, like you mentioned earlier in
the interview, learn from the past mistakes, get a little
bit stronger of a mental and now you're hoisting the trophy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
That's what you can really say.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
I do have one funny question though, possibly e w C.

Speaker 5 (01:54:18):
Unfortunately WC I think was one of like your guys's
weaker performs. You guys been just like the second last
or last. But in that thirteenth game, you guys were
the last non match point team alive in like five teams.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Did you guys know that? And were you like, let's
keep going one more or were you kind of ready.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
To end it?

Speaker 6 (01:54:36):
We could have actually win that game.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
You guys were in a pretty good spot.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
We could have actually win that game. If it was
I think it was Jay, if J have Peak, well
mio Erca was ill in, Yeah, Alliance would have pulled
that easy. And I mean it will be to be
tree right and they win anyways, but we could have
we'll have the chance to win that one hundred and
se a little lessons.

Speaker 5 (01:55:01):
It all came down to that fight between you and Alliance, right,
they just swung before you guys were ready.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
Essentially exactly. Yeah, Like that was because I.

Speaker 5 (01:55:09):
Remember someone made a joke they tweeted online because you
guys were the Blacklist at that time of like Blacklist,
it's your time to save this one, and then you
guys were literally the team to save it at that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
I thought that would have been funny. Fourteen games. I
was tired. I wanted to go home that day, but.

Speaker 6 (01:55:25):
Imagine us.

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
Yeah, no, I was just watching to like as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Well, Zako, it's been awesome having you back on the show,
and once again, congratulations for winning Champs. It was an
awesome tournament. It was a great time. Japan was amazing.
I'm sure you had a great time there. And normally
I end the show by saying, next time we see you,
hopefully you're hoisting the trophy, but you're already hoisting it,
so congratulations once again, thanks for hopping on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
I appreciate you, man, thank you, tell you all that's
a pleasor.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that was Usako shout out to
Usako for hopping on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
What an absolute legend.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
UH did not know this when we started recording, but
it was like three am his time, So for him
to spare that time for the boys very much appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Shout out Yusako, boys and girls.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
We're gonna round it out with the heart to heart
here and I think I think we got to throw
it on down to jumpa first JUMPA you're up?

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
How'd you know that? I was ready to go first.
I just I mean, heart to heart, just grateful for
that Japan Land and Japan trip. That was a ton
of fun. I put out a tweet about it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
I won't go super sappy, but it was crazy the
amount of like shit I got the opportunity to do.
I don't know how I got the responsibility and the
opportunity to do this. I don't know like what I
did to deserve it, but it's pretty cool. Like me
and Jay got to do a video honoring a pack
North and like we're in Japan and they made us

(01:57:06):
to the Apac and North piece like you know, they
they like I want to take on a lot of
pieces and they have a lot of content they do
and like they're like, hey, we need one that they
literally called honoring Apac and North they wanted to cover
their story and they give that to me and Jayhawk,
and so like that's pretty fucking cool, like with like
the crowd there, like you know, ten thousand people in
the crowd that day were watching that one because they
also did it before Winters Bracket, which is like such

(01:57:26):
a primetime slot for like viewership and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
So again, like the fact that we had that video
being like prime time position was just crazy. I got
to go on the desk, which for the first time,
that was awesome, such a good experience, you know, Like
I love the whole talent team.

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
All of them are amazing people, great friends that like
I've been able to build over this past year. And
I wasn't like really nervous going on the desk, but
like I kind of like stumbled over my words the
first little bit with some of the points I was making,
and I was getting like really in my head about it.
But like everyone like the j Glitter Zephyr and people

(01:58:04):
in the back, like we're all kind of like helping
reassure me, like it happens, don't work, Like it all happens.
You're good, and no one's probably gonna notice. And let
me tell you, when I started asking around, no one noticed.
So I was just getting my own head. So it
was cool look to do that. Playing in the show match.
The so match was such an accident. I was not
supposed to be in that, but to play in that
and then come second, and I'm gonna sit.

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
Here, and this is how where my competitive competitiveness comes in.
I want a game.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
I came second. Overall, you think I'm gonna sit here
and be super happy. I was still, get me wrong,
I was fucking ecstatic. But no one explained to me
the format or the rules. And if I knew, I
was that close to I was three kills in the
solo games. All I had to do is kill three
people in a solo game and I would have taken first.
And I really wanted that black hoodie, which kept selling

(01:58:49):
out every single day, and I really wanted that black
hoodie and I would have won.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
Now, granted shut out. My boy Luke that worked at
the event, gave me his hoodie, so I got one.
I got one regardless. But yeah, so there was that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:59:02):
And then the coolest thing was we wrote the script
for the opening ceremony for the finals. So if anyone
like saw that whole thing was narrated by the Japanese
voice actors.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
For the Apex Legends characters.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
Uh and like it was like this whole script like
we really did it like very much, like about like
like in like almost like medieval speak, like if you guys,
I don't know if you guys have seen it the
English translation, but like if you read it, we don't
mention Apex, and we don't mention a team name, not once.
Technically we do we make a red night pun and
we make an alliance pun, but still nonetheless like the
way me and Ja wrote that script, we thought it

(01:59:37):
came out really really good. We thought it was really creative,
the way we did it where it did not really
say anything about Apex but completely describe the history of
Apex at the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:59:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
And again to get the opportunity, like there's a lot
of money spent on this event, and they have this
yasakoid dance like this like Japanese dance team, like he's
gonna do this big hole performance on finals, but they
wanted to incorporate some Apex stuff with it. And like again,
Primetime position right before match point final starts and they
ask us to write the script. That what once the

(02:00:10):
script was written, that's how they were able to drive
the visuals and like the pacing of like the dance
and everything like that that they asked us to do
that again, I don't know what I did deserve that,
but that was super freaking cool. So shout out everyone there,
shout at Shaheen because like, honestly, none of that would
have been possible without Shaheen. Before we had him on
the podcast, I talked to him and like pitched him

(02:00:30):
an idea and like he pulled the freaking strings where
our idea didn't come to fruition, but he got me
out there.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
So yeah, it was a ton of fun. I can't
be more fucking grateful for that.

Speaker 5 (02:00:38):
And then obviously like hang out with the boys the
Lemons hours, like unlimited Lemons hours at what was it
Japanese barbecue, and then just exploring Japan one an amazing country.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
It was.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
I wish I got to do more of it.

Speaker 5 (02:00:50):
I was so exhausted that second week that I feel
like I didn't need it to appreciate as much as
I want, but yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (02:00:56):
It was a great experience. I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:00:58):
I could go on all day talking about all stopped.
But yeah, really grateful for the two weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Yeah I'm gonna follow suit with that. But my heartthart
this week was handling being a giant loser. And that's
because on the final day of Japan, Uh, you know,
we Burke had told us about these types of bars
they have in Japan. They're they're just beer pong bars,
and they give you a referee and you play beer

(02:01:25):
pong at this bar, and it's you just get like
a you get a whole experience, right, So we try
to find one we can. We go to one, it's
absolutely packed. We happened to just stumble upon a second
one that has nobody in it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
So we go inside.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
It's you know, me, Jay, Jumba and Uh and Kyle
and Burke. So there's you know, you can do two
on twos. We go inside. We played seven games. I
played in six of the seven games, and I lost
six out of six. I lost every single game.

Speaker 6 (02:01:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
It was a tear terrible experience. I went in there
pretty so cold, sober.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
I don't remember the drive home, and it wasn't because
I was trying to is because I lost six games
in a row.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
It was absolutely diabolical.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
I just remember being in the uber just eating my
case about how it wasn't my fault we lost all
the six games. Uh. My first game with Jay, he
will tell you this, he kind of screwed up that
first game. I was hot in game one, I was
doing well. In game one, I was doing all right,
and then he just he made his first cup and

(02:02:34):
he never made another cup.

Speaker 5 (02:02:37):
And we have to understand, we were playing just with
ten cups. We're playing with fourteen, Like, what is it? No, sorry,
six instead of six, we're playing with ten.

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
Yeah, So it was it was tough. And then and
then we had another game with my friend Kyle, who
we were dominating. We were doing great, and and Jumba
said something to Jay. We were playing jump in Jay.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Sae, we gotta do we gotta do a Kyle do it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
And my friend took that to heart and was like, oh,
you think I can't make it for back here, So
he starts lobbing shots from way in the back.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Doesn't make anything.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
We were in we were in the driver's seat, we
were cruising, and then all of a sudden, it just
all fell apart and I lost. I lost every single game,
So handling being a loser is my heart, heart to
heart this week. Uh just I had a postgame press
conference after losing all six games, got into a screaming
match with Jay and Kyle inside the uber on the

(02:03:31):
way back because I was trying to be like it
wasn't me, it was YouTube in those two games.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Ultimately I was on all the teams. I lost all
the games.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
So don't fail to mention it he bounce back.

Speaker 5 (02:03:43):
Don't fail to mention that in Wyatt losing every game,
I played in six of the seven games.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
And I won.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
I won every game.

Speaker 4 (02:03:51):
I won every single game.

Speaker 5 (02:03:53):
But I still left that place feeling a bit like
a loser because we split the bills and you have
to pay for the giant funnel a beer that you
played the beer pong with every single time, and so
we all played equal. But by me winning every game,
I didn't drink shit. I fucking took like some shots
of beer here in there, and I didn't drink shit.
Why why I paid for why to drink six fucking

(02:04:14):
beers like bullshit?

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
And I guarantee you I had more than my fair share.
I hadn't.

Speaker 5 (02:04:22):
He walked out of the place and he looks at
He looks at me. I know how drunk you were
at this point. But he looks at me and he's like.

Speaker 4 (02:04:29):
Man, I came here. I said, I wasn't gonna get hammered.
I'm fucking hammered. What the hell, man, I'm fucking hammered.

Speaker 5 (02:04:36):
And he's like, yeah, I was so tired. I was
so exhausted that I got on the Uber. There's a
picture of it. I just immediately passed out. I was
so like, again, not drunk, just tired. So I fell asleep.
So I missed the screaming match that happened, but I
told about it extensively, that he was really hurt about
his pride and that like, yeah, he lost this match.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
That Uber will ever pick up Americans ever again?

Speaker 6 (02:05:02):
That bad.

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
How would I sleep through all this? I slept the
entire time.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Jay told me afterwards he was like, yeah, like at
first I thought it was funny, and then he was like,
you were just getting progressively louder and you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Were that bad, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
I even really remember.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
I remember I woke up and I was like, I
was upset last night. I feel I could feel it.
I was like, I was upset at a certain point
last night. But yeah, that's what happens when you go
for six, you know, you go for sex. Things things
don't go well. But Japan was a great experience. It
was awesome to see the boys, and I can't wait
to do it again. I think this season is gonna

(02:05:40):
come a lot faster than we had on the last season.
I'm pretty sure we're gonna have a pretty quick turnaround here,
and I don't know how we manage that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Yeah, well, don't they start off with the Land.

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
Actually, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:05:56):
You might be right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
Well, I thought the way it was going is one
hundred and sixty team Land Pro League, Land Pro League Champs.

Speaker 5 (02:06:06):
Well, and see, the thing is is like I was told, well,
I don't know because I was told that. I was
told that, like the from un understood, it is like
one hundred and twenty of those teams that of the
one hundred and sixty are gonna be pro league teams.
So like they're they're they're inviting the forty teams from
every single pro league region. But how are they gonna
do that if they in last year's But like now

(02:06:27):
that I think about it, like everyone has been saying,
I still have the land spot that people have already
been tweeting that out, So I guess there is a
way that people are holding on these land spots even
though fucking roster Mania is going crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
Yeah, exactly. We'll figure all that out, but that is
my heart to heart Enoch round it out.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
I'm gonna have to go with all reliable and I'm
gonna I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to just
go with gratitude. Yeah, because like I'm just gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
I had.

Speaker 3 (02:06:59):
Like I was pretty mister poopy pants today, but I
was substantially better than I was yesterday. Yesterday was without
a doubt, the worst I think I've personally acted. And
like I was out here, just I was full tilt.

(02:07:20):
I even changed my title in my stream to full
tilt so people knew what they were walking into and
that way they're like, you know, fair warning, and just
I was just in such a bad mood. And like
the fact that a video game, like obviously it's like
more than just a video game, because like you set
goals and then you got things you want to work
towards and then you got a bunch of people that

(02:07:42):
you're trying to entertain, and then when you're just getting
when you're just going through the ringer, it can be
difficult at times, but regardless of how much I go
through the ringer, I should never allow it to control
my emotional state the way I did yesterday. And so, oh,
I just got to take and even when, like, while

(02:08:03):
I'm going through it, take that zoomed out perspective of like,
I have so many things in my life that I could,
like have just endless amounts of gratitude for that. It's
silly that I put my gratitude for everything I have
in my life down so I can get pissed off
at a video game. And I have throughout my years,

(02:08:28):
I've done a very good job of like not raging
at games minus yesterday, and so it was a nice
little reminder of how bad I can be and that
I still got a lot of work to be done,
and I'm going to do my best to enjoy the
rest of the season regardless of what happens, and just
have a good time, even if it's the worst version

(02:08:51):
of Apex I've played in quite some time. I can
still find a way to have fun on it and
still be a place where like joy is found. Joy
was not found anywhere around me yesterday and it was
it was a fight scratching claw today and so we'll
see how tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:09:11):
Guys, Can I ask you something real quick now that
this his Watson gurms come out?

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
We haven't talked since that his Watson video.

Speaker 5 (02:09:20):
We did that together, I think, And the only reason
I want to bring it up is because your pov
of If you guys have not seen this video, now,
I'm gonna spoil it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
Enoch decides not to cute like.

Speaker 5 (02:09:30):
So we played Geo Guesser and we had to find
out where a spot was and in the first round,
I'm not gonna lie that the picture was crazy and
I didn't know where it was. And Enoch decides, I'm
not gonna queue into a game until I know where
this is. And because they're gonna give out zoomed o
pictures by the.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
Time you cut it, because I didn't want to get
into a map. And then it takes the time, and then.

Speaker 5 (02:09:50):
A hardmart idea of me in theory, it was a
smart idea because it takes so long to like load
into a game, and like because of they they ended
up changing the rule like three rounds later where they're like,
we're gonna give you enough time to get into a
game and look around and so that this way, if

(02:10:10):
you want to tap out and go to a different map,
you have that time, like right, So like they did
did they ended up changing it because enoch strategy actually
was smart. It was better let me wait for the
second picture. See where this is the problem is the
second picture screwed you and you still didn't know where
it was.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
And then I went to the wrong and then the
wrong map I would have had it and I was
just pa shit. But bro, the amount of time between
the first and second picture was like literally my shoulders,
the amount of time between the second and third picture
was that I'm pretty sure Watson waited until I loaded.

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
In and then then said I don't I can't remember.
But the other thing is is why was your camera
so small?

Speaker 5 (02:10:55):
Like I thought you literally didn't even have a camera
on screen and then like literally in the tiniest pixel
of the.

Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
It was so small, bro, Like dude, because when I okay,
so the way that so the reason that it's that
is that, uh, Dalton will give props to where props
is do Dalton? That boy doll touche like probably at
this point, like a year or two ago, was like,
you know, check out this face cam. And then I
pulled it up and he had the mini cam, and

(02:11:26):
so like if you if you line it up perfectly,
which I have, which I have, when I have mini
caam on instead of like the character face on like
your the bottom left of your screen, it's my face
on on like the character thing. So instead of like
Lifeline's face on my health bar.

Speaker 4 (02:11:47):
It'd be me.

Speaker 3 (02:11:50):
Is you game, I'll say that it's too big of
a face cam. Well, some people can't handle how big.

Speaker 4 (02:11:56):
It is the thing.

Speaker 5 (02:11:57):
So I've heard you never loaded into a game, so
we actually never got to see the face get on
the characters, get onto the character's model. So when I'm
seeing this, like through the YouTube video, just like, why
is enox camera so damn small? It was so funny,
we could have at least seen why it happened. Yeah,
that's so good, that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (02:12:19):
Uh yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 5 (02:12:21):
I just I told myself, I just didn't want to
be last in that challenge. And then I fucking laughed
so hard when like you didn't even know it into
the game.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
I was like, what dude, I was I was on
my way before it was too Like do.

Speaker 4 (02:12:34):
You know how many people right after that?

Speaker 5 (02:12:36):
So many people were sitting there going, wait, that was
a really smart idea. There's a really smart idea. And
then I think a lot of people tried it for
the second game, and I'm not gonna lie. I was
kind of like, why are so many people trying this?

Speaker 6 (02:12:47):
He lost?

Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
See it was. It was a good idea, exceptionally poorly
implemented by me.

Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
Yes, and because the first round was like a test round.

Speaker 5 (02:12:58):
Like I'm telling you, if if we had the rules
that we went into like round four, round five with
and you played that strategy, I think you could have
made it work because they started giving us enough time.

Speaker 3 (02:13:08):
Yeah, dude, I had no clue when on that first picture.
I had literally zero idea, No, I not even a
remote chance.

Speaker 5 (02:13:15):
So I am like, I didn't want to go out first.
I wanted to get my screen time, so I kind
of swemed out when I heard I was doing Geo guesser,
I went and I watched a bunch of Geo guesser
videos like Apex geo guesser videos of people doing the
same challenge and uh, and then I had like that one.
I didn't see in any of them. But basically, when
I'd seen titan Fall, the only thing I could have

(02:13:36):
thought of was either monument because like titan Fall would
be in monument for some reason, or you know, in
Big Mod, like because like there's some of the bulletin boards,
and the bulletin boards in Big Mod have pictures on them.
I was like, maybe it's a picture on a bulletin
board in Big Mod.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
Like.

Speaker 5 (02:13:49):
If those two hypotheses didn't work out, I was fucked.
I had no idea where I was going till the
final one. I got pretty I clutched out. It was like, shit,
this big Mod hip going for it. I will say
I we were sitting with a couple of coaches at Land.
It was like Leuke, I believe col Gin. I never
probably introduced myself to him unfortunately, so I'm just gonna

(02:14:10):
say it was col Gin, Luke Coljin Privacy. Uh, there's
one other person that Raven came like halfway through, and
it was Jayhawk. And then like I basically they were
talking about Apex GEO Guesser and Leuke who's the coach
for Gig, was basically saying like I'm the best, no
one would ever beat me. I'm so good at it.
And I was like, well, let me pull up these
pictures and show you guys and see if you guys

(02:14:30):
can guess where they are.

Speaker 4 (02:14:31):
And it was so funny. They're like, I have no
fucking idea where any of these are. These hardest things
I've ever seen in my life. Were like, right, they
were pretty fucking They.

Speaker 3 (02:14:40):
Did a good job. Yeah, yeah, my my mind. I honestly,
I was low key stoked get out first, because I
was like, if you're not, like you either want to win,
but like who watches all the way to the end
of like a long long YouTube video, not the majority
of people who are watching it. But so I was like,

(02:15:00):
going out first, I got maximum output for the minimal input,
and I was making sure that I was like trying
to be as entertaining as possible, because like, if somebody
is only going to watch like five to ten minutes
of that video, I should have been the most stand

(02:15:22):
out and because like you're not, you didn't even remember
hold on the game and You're also gonna remember who
lost you remember who went.

Speaker 5 (02:15:29):
First and who didn't even try joining a game like
trust you had Like one of the funniest things you
go is you go, I think you said, I think
you said something along the lines of someone knows what
this is immediately they're a nerd, and it cuts to Moreover.

Speaker 4 (02:15:44):
Going, oh, this is monument.

Speaker 5 (02:15:51):
I said something similar too, but the way they cut
it for like you too, Moreover was perfect, Like that's.

Speaker 3 (02:15:57):
Fire, that's fire.

Speaker 2 (02:15:59):
That's far well, lay and gents, It's good to be
back in the pocket with the boys. It feels great.
It's been such a long time. I'm happy we're back
in the pocket, and we have a lot more content
coming throughout the rest of this offseason heading into year
five of ALGs, I think I have a championship celebration
video in the works right now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
Me and Donnie are working about that behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
I better make it there.

Speaker 2 (02:16:21):
Yeah, honestly, it's We've already broken down the first celebration,
which was the Complexity win, and I'm feeling really confident.
I'm feeling really confident. I'm feeling really excited. So we've
got some stuff coming out here in the future. Ladies
and gents, Thank you guys for go ahead.

Speaker 4 (02:16:38):
Top bunk, bottom bunk, bottom bunk, taking bottom bunk. I've
played and I got bottom bunk, bottom bunk, and I
think I think my celebration was pretty good. Jay, that's
the one thing you gave me problems for.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
Yeah, there we go there, Sorry, go ahead, No, you're
all good, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
Thank you guys for tuning in. As always, We'll catch
you guys next week for another edition of the APEC
the Podcast. Will see you guys soon, See y'all,

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