Episode 113: Sweet Retires + Legend Bans & Rostermania

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to another edition of the Apex, the podcast
Ladies and gents. Who's just the boys here today, me
E and Jumba. We've got a lot of news to
catch up with in the ALGs so far. We have
qualifiers that are getting done. It's still technically the offseason,
but a lot of these teams are starting to fill
in and fill out for the upcoming ALGs open. That's

(00:38):
what people are trying to get into right now. So
on top of that, we got some crazy retirements as
well as some crazy streams, some rumors, all the good stuff,
even some rosters that have settled in. So let's get
to all of that. But before we do, let's check
in with the fellows. Jumba, how are you feeling, brother, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Geez.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Should have throw him for the loop every once in
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, you have to, You have to, you got
to do it. How are you feeling doing well?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Nothing to complain about?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah? Has okay? Has the season gotten a little bit
better for you? Has there been I figured it out?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I sling shot it out. It was always a sling shot.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
That boy effect though once he's in the off season,
that guy effected.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah, if that man, if that man does not have
pro league, pro league to worry about, and he wants it,
he's a tough He's a tough one to take it from.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I saw, I saw, like he posted that he hit
one hundred k RP and someone just responded and said,
how do you always? Yeah, Viols says, how do you
do it again?

Speaker 6 (01:42):
And again?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Like when you got like players at that caliber, like
like puzzled about how this guy just pulls that way
that far in ranked.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
You just know there's something special about.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Him because it's like putting in that much.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
It's like performing at such a high rate for such
a prolonged period of time, because it's like like he's gaining,
Like he just plays and he just gains.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
When you were grinding for number one that season and
you were kind of like against him, how do you remember,
like how much RP was he putting up? Like so
like say, like he played like a two hour session,
what would that.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Session he wouldn't?

Speaker 6 (02:19):
What would you play he would?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, like you just I mean I wasn't keeping
track of him because at the beginning of mine, like
I had a rough start, and so I wasn't really
keeping track of like where everybody was at. But I
mean Effect, he like actually like I owe a decent
amount of like my number one because like Effect was
so much like was putting up like gapping everybody else

(02:45):
that I think the majority of the other people who
were going for rank one just were like mentally just defeated.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
By how much?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah no, he like literally just mentally just like because
he just pulled.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So much, so far ahead.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
And then it wasn't until like he had to really
lock in and focus up for like the last like
two weeks of Pro league or so.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
That he stopped.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
He just stopped playing ranked entirely just so he was
like fully focused and then like I believe like either
came in first and second in both of those like
last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Was like that's what he was.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Doing, and like that's why I was able to like
just so I beat every single other person and then
thankfully Effects stop playing.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, I guess my question was more so it's like
how many hours did you have to play to get
like to the RP of an effect session.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Like like we were around like sixteen good god, well,
I mean because I mean, like no, dude, when it
was just crazy, like the thing with effect is that
like I was like consistently winning right, and like you
would get like three like consistently two hundred three hundred
point games like and then like occasionally four hundred like effects,

(04:00):
I was just dropping bombs, like he just run like
he would literally just run around the map and just
kill everybody.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I just can't even imagine having like playing sixteen straight hours.
Like I love the game, it's awesome, it's great, But
playing sixteen straight hours, even if it wasn't in like
a competition against somebody, I still think I would have
trouble doing. I don't think I can do any one
thing for sixteen hours straight except maybe binge watch Love
is Blind with the fellows inside the.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
You got it genuinely really like I mean I genuinely,
like very much enjoy playing Fps's right, Like this is
something that like I've always enjoyed doing. And then like
when you're when you're doing the number one grind and
you're like a lot of different numbers are all going
in a very positive direction, and it's like I would

(04:51):
say that that makes it easy, Like I would say,
like the number one grind is was like easier for
me mentally, Then like putting up like consistent twelve hour
days right now, because like when you're on like the
number one grind, like you're really playing for something, and
then when you're just seeing all the numbers go up

(05:13):
is like motivating because you're like I have to like
because like you know, like you know that the numbers
are there because of the ridiculous amount of time you're
putting in and so like you can always get it back.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But the sacrifice is like all like it.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Was like sixteen hours a day for like six day,
well for five days a week, and then I'd have
a twenty four hour because I would always have my
twenty four hour. I would always have my twenty four
hours off from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, and then
I would do like a twenty four hour starting at
some point on Saturday night pretty much every week.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Why would you say that you play the same game
of Apex as effect, Uh, I that's not the same
game where you're playing.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, that's a good point. I'm glad
you brought that up. I was just a speaking person.
I was just saying more not that it was more
about the sixteen hours of just doing one thing.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
I know, I wasn't even talking about that. I was
literally speaking separate question. Aside from the fact that it's like, I.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Feel like you and I when we load up APEX
and we start playing, that's not the same. It doesn't
feel like I feel like the experience is very different,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, it is. It is.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's why he's able to do it. Like he's in
the trenches every single day, each and every.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Seas he's having a blast. We get.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, it's like in the I guess the trenches would
just be the time that just the time you're sinking in.
That's basically it. Because everything else he can do with ease,
and he's done it.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
With ease for years.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
So it's it's crazy to watch he's consistently just always I've.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Never heard of a person talk about effect and like
it's played with effect in a rank game, but like
that they can keep with him.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
That's what I've always heard.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's yeah, I mean, it's insane. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, boys, let's get into some of the news here
and let's kick it off with the biggest story I
would say throughout the entire ALGs whatever you want to
call it, the universe the algsu over the weekend, and
that was that Sweet Dreams, at least for now, is
stepping away from Apex Legends.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think he's still gonna be playing.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
In fact, I'm pretty sure he's gonna be playing very soon,
like streams are going to be coming back up. I
just think competitively, he's taking a little bit of a break.
He said, he wants to reevaluate some things, take a
step back, see where ALGs moves forward going into year
five and year six potentially, so he wants to just
see how that is going. And then he ripped a
stream where he ended it with I think it was

(07:45):
like four stacks of fifty thousand dollars in his hands
and said, yeah, this is kind of why. And I
think that that makes sense. I think that that is
that Yeah, I get it, I got you. But yeah,
I guess I'll throw it on down to E first,
I mean suite. As long as we've done this show,
and even before, he's been a pillar of Apex Legends

(08:05):
competitive he's always been in conversations as one of the best,
if not the best igls. He's always a name that
you want to bring up. You always want to see
how he's doing in all the tournaments, but him stepping
away for a little bit, how do you feel about
overall the Sweet Dreams experience that we've had for the
last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I mean, I think he'll definitely go down as one
of the best to do it. He didn't quite walk
away with that championship trophy, but outside of that, I'm
sure he's very proud of, as he definitely should be,
of all of what he's accomplished and done in his
time in Apex, not only from a competitive standpoint, but

(08:45):
also what he's done as a content creator in terms
of the different YouTube and then Twitch content that he's provided.
He's definitely one of the best to do it when
it comes to the Ranked one grind and then as
well as just being an entertaining guy. Watch definitely has
been one of the best to do it from both

(09:07):
at content and competitive perspective and being able to make
both of those work at the same time. Definitely not
from the perspective of streaming scrims or doing anything that
like that. House definitely on top when it comes to that.
But it's been it's been a fun time watching sweets
Journey and I'm excited, like the fact that he can

(09:30):
be arguably one of the most successful people in Apex
and that he's walking away because he has better opportunities
and the other stuff that he has going on. You
just got absolutely love to see it and to be
in that position at like the age he's at.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
It's gonna be cool to see where he goes.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
And and once again, I think a lot of people
misinterpreted his discord message that he originally released, saying that
they think he said something along the lines of I'm
paraphrasing Apex legends esports just isn't viable for me, as
you know, to continue making money off of this or whatever,
and a lot of people took that as he wasn't

(10:11):
making enough.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It's like, no, he's made more than enough.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's just why sink that time in when you have
other hobbies, other interests, other things you want to go do,
and you know it's to be a professional in the algest,
you got to sink in a ton of time. He
obviously has things he wants to do outside of it,
and I think people kind of misconstrued that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
That's not what he was saying. He just he has
what he needs.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
And I think, going back to your point, it's also
huge that our esport has allowed somebody to make a
considerable amount of money to the point where they can
retire comfortably at a very young age and do what
they need to do and kind of chase after the
things they want to chase after in life just because
of this game.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And that's where you want your esport to be.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think overall, you want to have it to where
there is these types of opportunities so that moving forward
it more of an attractive esport for younger, newer players
and it continues to grow throughout you know what, we
hope to be a very long and fruitful esport. Jump
at your thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, just like the wording was he said, the
unfortunate reality said in that Apex is no longer financially
viable for me. And I will say, like, that does
make it sound like Holy Sweets not making enough money
playing Apex. But the thing is like it's more so
like you guys have already both said Sweet's making so
like from what he said on his stream, so much

(11:35):
money and like other opportunities. It just and I saw
Hal talk about it too, that like he makes so
much money other areas that it's almost like it's tough
to stay motivated with Apex. At that point, I will say,
like he I think he, like when I watched like
part of the stream, like he handled it like actually
as respectful as like he possibly could. Like there's like

(11:57):
some valid criticisms about algists or just a competitive Apex
in general that I think he had some things. I
think he was a little bit crazy about with what
he was saying. He'll be honest, but like he tried
to approach it. I think from a sense of just
explaining from his perspective that like for the whole scene
it's maybe not sort of like this red light emergency,

(12:19):
we're we're losing out here. So anyways, yeah, you know,
kind of like the same sentiments, the fact that he's
you know, done so well with Apex and everything like
that and streaming and competing and everything like that, that
he's able to kind of take that some boys pretty cool.
And I just hope that like when time goes on

(12:41):
and like we have these situations, that the players just
at least remember what did it for them. I'm not
saying sweet didn't, just that they that they remember to like,
you know, if they ever want to step away and
everything like that, that they're like, yeah, APEX.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Is what got me here, right, Like they don't kind.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Of like take that for granted and shit on the
game because I've seen that before have in the past,
and I don't like that.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
But like he not saying that he did that.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
That's why I'm saying, like, you know, he did try
to like, you know, operate as respectful the possible. Also too,
I kind of like that, you know what the very
least he said, it's it's a hiatus. He doesn't know
if he'll come back. He didn't say I'm quitting him,
retiring and then we'll see him next week or like
in two weeks or like six weeks, you know whatever
it is when they always come back with the very
least he said, like I might be back, just gonna
like take some time to figure it out. Yeah, So

(13:26):
that's my point.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, Actually to that point, he did at a certain
moment in that stream, takes some time and say, Hey,
the fact that I did this all because of the
video game is not lost on me. And he went
through it and explained exactly what you were saying, Like
he knew for a fa like he's very He sounded
very grateful to the game and what it gave to him.
And I think, like sometimes you read tweets and and

(13:47):
you hear comments on on streams and different stuff like that,
where you think maybe they're not fully appreciative of the
position that they've put themselves in with just this game.
But you can definitely tell he understood it. And I
think sometimes you have to take a step away from
something to realize how much it actually gave to you.
And having this stream and being able to have this stream,

(14:08):
and he's got four stacks of fifty thous wiles sitting
right next to him, I think you take a moment
you're like, Wow, that's you know what.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I like this game did a lot for me.
So I think that's what he did.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I think another thing too, that not only people
in APEX but other esports as well can look at
when it comes to Sweet Dreams is that sweet is
exactly what you want to be when it comes to
being a professional player. It's not just being a professional
that gets you the money. It's having the stream, it's
having the sponsorships, it's having the personality and the wherewithal

(14:41):
to have you like try to continue to grow both
things at the same time. You want to be the
best player you can competitively, but you also want to
make sure that you're growing things outside of that, and
that's exactly what Sweet did. And he did kind of
go into very specific numbers on sponsorship deals, stream numbers, innings,
all that kind of stuff. He any and he kind

(15:03):
of explained how being multifaceted really helped him out and
was able to get him to be one of the
most you know, rich players from this esports or from
this specific esport. So yeah, it was, it was. It
was definitely eye opening. It was cool to watch, and
as somebody who just enjoyed watching him play, I just
enjoyed his style of of igling, where you're basically there's

(15:27):
no moment where he's not speaking. I always found that
super impressive. So it was cool to see and it's
gonna suck to not see him there for now, but
once again, he did say that there's a chance he
comes back.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
So I was actually just looking and funny enough, he
actually did stream three hundred hours in November and then
two hundred hours in October. Because other than that, like
you were saying, like, oh, like like in the last
year he is streaming like hours, like definitely dead but
like actually maybe who knows, maybe now that he's not
competing anymore, he finds a love for it or dead
fully but yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, I know he did mention that he would definitely
have some knotty rank sessions.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, yeah, he did say that on the stream as well.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
He did say, I mean three hundred hours, like just
quickly looking here is the most he's ever streamed on
what happened in November, Like.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Oh, he was on a he was doing his Rank
one grind.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, and he just got the full passion. Just I
knew he was doing the Rank one grind, but three
hundred hours is crazy.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
I mean I think he barely streamed the months leading
up to it and was like, Okay, it's it's silly
for him to not take advantage of like where he
was at and everything he had going because I mean
that man turns on the stream and that's like an
instant two k minimum and that that like two k
adrav on twitch is not.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Not bad at all.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
He'll scoff at don't know anything about it.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, so I guess the moving off from a suite,
even though this kind of relates him a little bit. Uh,
there was a comment he made about year six of
ALGs being canceled, and he clarified that a little bit.
I feel like you have more specifics on what exactly
he said, because I don't have the comment in front
of me right now, But essentially he said that the

(17:07):
rumor that year six is canceled and then put in
parentheses it's it is not a rumor or something like that.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, I everything I've heard that's not true. So I
don't I don't know the specifics of it.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
But yeah, so he said, here, sadly this news coupled
with the rumor not a rumor, that ALGs year six
is canceled.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
The funny thing is is like.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
He didn't say He's like, oh, this was supposed to
be a post for our community. Like I was not
expecting it to get out.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
How would you say.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Something like that in a post for the community and
not expect someone to screenshot that I'm throwing on the
reddit and then on Twitter. But like, yeah, he basically
said that, we like he's like ALGs. He said, Look,
people have to realize now, is ALGs is a smaller
part of Competitive Apex, and that while ALGs You're Sick

(18:00):
may be canceled, that doesn't mean Competitive Apex isn't canceled.
It just may look different next year. I don't know
what to think about that. I don't know, like, like
even the not a rumor does not sell it for
me respectfully from what I've like. I don't know sweet
personally or anything like that, but I have heard like
he's not the best for spreading like a correct information.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
So I don't know what to make of it.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I'm not gonna like lead into it at all, but
like if he is just saying like, okay, it might
be like under something different that's not ALGs at the
very least, Like it just sounds like Competitive Apex isn't
going anywhere because it's uncertain for him, because it's not
that ALGs format. He just wants to take them some
time to evaluate his options, like, rather than just go
into something that seems uncertain.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
That's basically what he was getting at.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, So, as as far as I know, and I
mean I'm not even near the top of any food
chain ladder or anything like that, But as far as
I know, that's that's kind of just not really the
full story right there, so we'll leave it at that.
I think there's a lot of things going on in
the works, and I'm really excited ut for the upcoming
year five and then you know, we'll see what happens

(19:09):
from there. But that's what that's kind of the that
was the big story. That was the one that really
kind of grasped everybody's attention after the initial shockwave war
off that, like Sweep was sweet, was stepping back for
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Now moving on into.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Some other news here, we have some rosters that have
finally been locked in, really just two of them at
least in NA. I think there's some around the other
parts and other regions, but the two that we have
here so far, Stallions is going to be alber Lelly
Crook an Enemy. And then we have the first team
that was announced was Sykes Zap and dropped. And when

(19:46):
that one dropped, no pun intended, that was a big
day on Twitter because that team looks insane.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Sykes app been dropped.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I remember seeing how one too, and I was like, wait,
that's actually ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
That's a especially like having Zap drop back to.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
More of a frag type role or just like I say,
frag type role just like not Iglling, as say, because
like those roles and such of like fragger like anchor,
I feel like are also even kind of like changing
at this point, right, But nonetheless, just having him step
back from I Gelling, I think that I Jelling experience.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Was probably invaluable to him. It's gonna help him so much,
like in whatever.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Position he plays with that in that team, but back
when he was with E eight, he was unreal in
that position, just given to like focus on getting kills,
teaming up with Psykes, who other than the most which
actually no, he actually a pretty good a champs in
the end, but other than what's it called seventh that champs,
but like yeah, other than that, Like historically Psykes finishes

(20:49):
top five at like Lance, he either doesn't make finals
or finish the top five, so psychs him dropped.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Great, igl it's gonna be a force to reckon with.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I also think they in the original tweet, didn't they
also have Talmage as a coach.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, Zap and Talmage, those guys are like a package
deal at this point, Like someone even said that, and
it's just like you know, they kind of had their
little come up together, and you know, they make sure
they take care of each other. Which Talmage is a
great coach. That dude speaks so eloquently and just super
nice dude. Every time I see him at Land, we
have a quick little chat say hi to each other,
and he's awesome.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
So like, yeah, I look forward to seeing what they do.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, we'll have to bring him back on front of
the program Talmage. Now with the new squad here, and
when you look at the entire roster in itself, what
were you gonna say.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
Well, look, convene that roster. We said two rosters, but
is furious roster locked in?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
So that's the.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, that one, that one's interesting. I'll bring that one
up in a second. I was gonna My last thought
on the on the dropped team was when you think
about all the roles that involve a professional squad, you
think of anchor, you think of igl, you think fragger,
and then you think of a coach. I feel like
all four of those they fit in pretty damn, pretty

(22:02):
damn well with every every role that you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, yes and no, because the thing is like also too,
Like when I was talking to some of the Alliance
guys right, like they see it like more in a
different way of like like hot hackis is not the
frager that team, Like he's the IGL, but like he's
not gonna be the one who's like when you got
Unlucky in effect, He's not gonna be the one in
the mix fighting there. So Hack is the IGL and

(22:26):
kind of the anchor. And then you have Effects who's
like a fragger, and then Unlucky calls himself like a
refrag role where it's like he's not meant to like
be the primary aggressor.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
He can be.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
He did that like in Germany when they had Tyler there,
but like like he's meant to like Effect goes in
for big damage and Unlucky follows in as the refrag.
So it's like that's why I'm saying, like these roles
are kind of like changing, because like when I look
at that team, I feel like they fit in the
same thing. You have Zap, maybe frag, you have you

(22:58):
have Sykes and so this refrag role and then you
have Dropped play like a little bit more of that
lower like played back while he lets those two guys
just go crazy. Anchor as you would say, but he's
igl so like is he technically anchoring because at the
same time he's got to be out there for information.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
So it's like they're actually is what I'm feeling, like almost.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Like more of like a fluid type role that's out
there now that's building with these teams.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
And with this squad at the very least, it's it's
the first one that's been announced so far. So I
think usually after we see one squad get announced, that's
when all the dominoes start to fall around the rest
of NA and we'll see how that goes. So we
talked about a little bit a little bit about it
last week with Furia and all the weird stuff that

(23:42):
was going down. Obviously the tweets were deleted. I don't
know exactly what happened behind the scenes. Nobody really does.
I don't think at this point at least on this
show of how they all kind of smoothed everything over.
But as far as with the Furior roster is looking
like right now, it is still madness. It is still
key on and they have been playing with k Not
with Jamo obviously being the coach watch those scrims today

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and it feels like it seems like this is the
direction that they're going to go moving forward. Obviously, nothing
official at this time, but I'll throw it onto e
with this roster Knocked, Madness and Keon, do you think
that this is an upgrade from Vaxlon or do you
feel like they're kind of still in that same exact spot,

(24:23):
like a team that can make a match point but
maybe not fully win, you know, a land or a playoff.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean, I Vaxine, I would say. I mean, it's
hard to.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Say upgrade when I think like the way that Knock
plays versus like Vaxlon is not exactly the same. I
think that Knocked is an upgrade to the squad overall
because I believe he does have experience playing with does
it Is this a squad that we previously saw at
one point?

Speaker 6 (25:02):
No, But like somebody else, I.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Want to say, like I can't remember what I want
to say, that Knocked had a very very brief stint
with Madness, like a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Very brief.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, not nearly as long as like Vaxelon actually had
like experience with Madness. But I'm trying to think about
if it was even within that period of time when
not no, because he kind of went immediately to say
to play with duplex and skittle. I'm gonna say, like
when you got dropped a C nine, there's somewhere in there.
I know that Knock played with Madness, and I don't

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remember when. I just I know it happened.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
But okay, we're both on the same page.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, but like because I could not tell you
when it was, but I remember.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah, But like I think that it did definitely happen,
but it was it was a long time ago. It
doesn't mean that like there isn't still something there, like,
and I do agree with you in the sense that
I'm pretty sure, like I wouldn't say that any squad
that picks up Knocked is ever a downgrade like that team.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
No disrespect to Vaxeln, right, because he's an incredibly talented player,
and I believe he's already on a different roster. And
I don't even know if it was Vaxlne making the
decision that he wanted to leave or them saying like,
oh you should go.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I don't know if you guys have been filling that.
But like I think that.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I mean, Knock is an incredible player, and I think
the way that they've been playing in scrims I've seen
I haven't watched too much, but I saw a like
a game or two and they won, and just like
the way that they are already able to play off
of each other, so well, it's going to be very
interesting to see how they're doing. Like I believe they've

(26:44):
been ripping valkal lot and Kean is definitely one of
the best in the game to do it on that character,
and that's a character that's pick rate is very low,
and so it's a character that they'll be able to utilize.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Many rounds into these games.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The way that I heard their comms with JMO in
between games was they were basically saying, do we want
to run valk comps or do we want to run
Maggie comps. They were kind of deciding between the two,
and they would I think more times than not they
sided with the valky They did Maggie a few times.
I think they did Maggie on World's Edge because I

(27:23):
remember a specific game they were playing in Skyhook, but
it looked like they were leaning a lot more towards
the Valkyrie composition in more times than not, and then
even Madness had even said at one point he might
want to replace the valk I believe with Crypto at
certain points.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
So it just depends on how it's going to go.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But they What I found interesting about this whole thing
is obviously with the new band system, the way that
they're looking at it is they're picking like one character
that kind of you build around that isn't going to
be voted out more often than not, which they did
with the Valc and Maggie I think is closer to
getting voted out or being banned. But they kind of

(28:04):
just picked that anchor character and built comps around those,
and then they decided before games are we going to
go with this one or that one, which I found
interesting because moving forward, I think we're going to be
seeing a lot more interesting ways that coaches and analysts
come up with ways that their teams play these different comps.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
So just a couple things, like I was gonna even
go back to with some of the things that Enoch
was saying, like I do feel like they play so
different that it's weird to almost say like if they
got better or worse, I think it's like it feels
like a lateral move until like I see them play.
I need to see them play. Going on to the
point of like did they play together. It was in
between when he got dropped from C nine over to

(28:45):
before he went to ESA. He was playing with Madness benchwarmers.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
That great track record.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
That team was in the first split of Pro League
when we got Pro League, like that year two format,
the format we know now, they played together there didn't finish.
They split up before the end of the year, one
of two teams to split up before the end of
the year, so that that season had forty teams instead
of thirty teams in Pro League and uh and the

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season finished off with thirty eight teams because they didn't
make it all the way.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, so anyway, so hopefully they can have a better
spin this time round.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah. I think this one's more permanent. I feel like
this one will be.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
The funny thing is I remember that like they just
that when that era, when they disbanded, they just jumped
off like so quick. It's just I don't know what
goes on behind the scenes and everything like that, but
it was like two or three days went bad and
They're just like, yeah, we're gonna be splitting up, guys,
we're not playing together. So everyone's like wait, what, Like
you're actually on the verge of qualification, Like why would
you not just keep riding it out here?

Speaker 6 (29:53):
So yeah, uh interesting stuff, but yeah, it's three years
or four years almost.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, which is nuts nuts to think about. Other than that,
some other notes on teams and what they might be doing.
Obviously Cloud nine was one of the teams that was
saying we will stay together, but we are going to
be looking at other offers as it goes on. It
looks like they still appear to be playing together. That's Saucer,
Shuby and Naughty. Seems like they're still playing together at

(30:20):
this point. Another team that's kind of come out of
I don't want to say come out of nowhere, but
they've been around and they've been doing really well in
scrims is Duplex Deeds and Fun fps dn O the
old DNO squad coming back. So that's another one right there.
And then I've seen I think Funk has tried with complexity,

(30:41):
and then also vaxel On I think also tried with complexity,
which obviously they get they lose enemy on that enemy
goes over to the Stallions roster that I mentioned earlier,
so complexity trialing out some people coming up here for
that first ALGs open. So as far as teams go,
that's what I'm seeing so far. Did you guys have
anything else you wanted to say before he moved into

(31:02):
some of the roster stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I just I was gonna say, like, when you hear
guys say like they're still keeping their options open, I think,
and like you guys get like I have known nothing
behind the scenes.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
I have not heard anything.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
But you guys correct me if I'm wrong or if
like just run your opinions. I'm pretty sure everyone's keeping
their options open because they're waiting to see what happens
with like Verrhols and Phoni.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
I think like.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Once you hear wherever those guys are, then like everyone
will just kind of like be solidified. But like they're
keeping their options open because like you get a call
from either of those guys, And like even Sweet was
probably in the mix of the time too, until he
decided to like say he's taking the hiatus. But yeah,
you're waiting for like those kind of three guys to
like make an announcement or like make a decision where

(31:42):
they want to go, and once they do, I think
everything's gonna fall into place.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Those are the dominoes you're waiting for.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, I feel like Verhost definitely has to be that
top five player in anipax that Swee was mentioning that
he had wanted to work with and you felt like
it would have been gone really well. I feel like
those two on a team would have been absolutely Like,
I feel like that team would communicate exceptionally well together.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, it's it's I want like it's interesting because like
I wonder if like Verolst is a little bit more.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Vocal than someone like Guild.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
But like Guild, like the only thing with Sweet is
like we obviously like when it comes to like micro Macro,
we've always said, like Sweet is like undeniably one of
the greatest in the world, right it was just more
so I find people kind of can't deal with like
that passive aggressiveness he has a little bit every sort
of igl has some level of whether it's passive aggressiveness

(32:34):
or like they're just aggressive straight up like a hal
or or something like that, or zero even I just
I wonder I actually wonder if it'd be something that
Verhols would work well with.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
I don't know, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I don't know, Like like the Dynamics, I feel like you,
every sort of igel is gonna have a little bit
of an edge to them, and just like you, like
the players just gotta somehow fight through that, right. I
will say I did Dick the talk to psychs at
a land a little bit and he says that like
even sweet Rep sometimes he gets like on like the
freaking Reddit and everything like that is so overinflated, and
he said that sweet was like the from his perspective,

(33:10):
was one of the best players he's been able to
like work with. He was very understanding and really good
to them, like in their time playing together.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
So that was pretty cool to hear about him.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, I mean we had when we had Slayer on.
If there was anybody who could have said anything about
and Slayer said only nice things. He's like, it was awesome,
it was the best, Like he made me so much
better And yeah, like Slayer could have had a legitimate
gripe and he didn't say anything negative whatsoever. So yeah,
by the way, I saw Slayer when I was leaving Japan,

(33:40):
inside the airport and I walked up and I said,
what's up? And Uh, he's a dude. He's an absolute dude.
Shout out Slayer. We'll have to get him back on. Actually, yeah,
that that should be when we look at moving forward
because top five, right, he got fifth fifth?

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Yeah with VP. I didn't even think about it when
I was looking at.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Iteah, yeah, we got to get Slayer back.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, so that does it for all of the rostermania
stuff going on right now. Verholst obviously the the key cogs.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Okay, hold up real quick. I thought that there was
a thing, did you gut? I heard that apparently Evan leaked.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
We didn't we talk about that last week?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah? Yeah, yes, he did leak the roster. Uh, let
me see if I can find it.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I don't remember he leaked the full roster or just yeah,
I think Donnie sent it to me, but I gotta
find it real quick.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
How did he leak the full roster after leaking the
discord thing? Like, because I did, I did see that
he leaked. They're like that he leaked one hundred t
discord stuff and like apparently you see Jen Burton's profile
picture and then I think the second profile picture was Bronzie.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
That's what someone told me once.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
The thing is about that is like it probably does
leak exactly where he's going at the same time there is.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
So if there's a team, you're telling me we got
a phony verholes.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Well, I didn't hear phony. I didn't hear phony, but like.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I heard, I thought it was I thought it was Phonny.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
I just haven't heard. It could be. It could be.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I just haven't heard. I didn't know who that third
person was.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
I just sent Donnie a rogue text hopefully still like
he should be because we're supposed to watch Love Is Blind.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Would Donnie not be awake? Donnie's awake right now.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
He has to be. He has to be, all right.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I just muted and talked to Donnie midstry mid broadcast.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
He said phony, he said.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Phony verls And that's what he's said that league.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
That's a crazy roster. That's a crazy roster.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, there we go. Yeah, I mean that's insane. It's
hard to talk about it now, but you know, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Like if that is a roster, can I just like
I want to go back to like these are rosters
where like I don't know. I feel like you like
maybe this has always been a thing in APEX and
maybe I'm doing an Alliance video right now, so maybe
I'm so focused into like the build of Alliance. It's
like Hawks can put out damage, don't get me wrong,
Like once upon a time he was like the soul
aggressor on his team when he was playing with guys
like Yuki and Vifes, and then he picks up Effect

(36:08):
and he was able to take a step back, and
he picks up on Lucky.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
He's able to step back.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
But like, I feel like a lot of teams are
really being built around like just get two insane fraggers
to like go out there and do their thing, and
your IGL almost works as your anchor now and then
like but they still have to find a way to
be able to also get that information because a team
like Phony Vertls Jen Burton, that's what you got there,

(36:31):
Verls kind of fits a little bit of that anchor
role sometimes, but still like they can fry those two
guys right, same with like we talked about like dropped
Psych's zap. Two guys Becauld just absolutely go crazy and
then like and it feels like teams are building around
that as opposed to like what you would almost say
like Dark zero always was, where you had Zero opening

(36:52):
up every single fight, right, or like TSM last year
where you had hal opening up every single fight. Your
IGL is not needing to put out as much damage anymore.
Is is kind of what it feels like these teams
are being built around.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
So you're saying like the structure of team building has
kind of started to alter a little bit and change
into that style a little.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Bit, like a yeah, like I'm not going to deny that,
like that other style like doesn't still work, right, but
it's just like it feels like, yeah, like that's kind
of what I don't know, Like Alliance like in the
last three Lands of a Year went crazy, and even
in like the one land where they had Tyler, Tyler
still fit the bill of like he took on Lucky's
role as like this refrag as they explained it to me,

(37:33):
and then Unlucky was the fragger at that event, right,
and so hawk Is still didn't like have to be
the one like opening up those fights and everything, especially
because he was playing Crypto. So it's just like, yeah,
from a perspective of the fact that I'm saying like yeah,
maybe like a little bit, maybe like if we see
these teams really good, maybe the structure of where like
your IGL almost doubles as like your anchor in a way,

(37:55):
but like I almost don't want to say anchor because
like those igls need to be moving around to scout.
So it's just like you're less rest of players, your
i g L, and then you like focus on letting
your two fraggers like get out there and fight. Yeah,
your frag your refrag rather than this sort of like
fragger anchor I g L rule.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, maybe maybe I'm like getting to like fucking theory
craft o here.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
That's just what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I don't think you want I mean, if they're if
they're trying to adopt a a like an alliance you know, uh,
you know formula that's probably the formula you want to follow,
like that, I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
They're like thinking about this, right, Like if your phony
and like Jen Burton and Virhols are like yeah, I'll
team with you, you're not saying no, right, So it's
like so it's like I don't think phony's being like,
ah well, I need to make sure that this is
what we're building. Like it's Phony, it's Vials and jem Burton, right,
but like that's three land winners right there, Like like
that's a crazy team.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, absolutely, insane team. An insane team. Again.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
The Zion Ukoi, the Zaiinukoi phony roster was like very
much like that too, but speak and move ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, I wanted to.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, it's like the same
sort of build. You had those guys and then you
had Phony like like not and again Phony can put
up some damage, but he doesn't need to m exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So those are kind of that. That's kind of the
roster mania we've got going on right now. Once again,
there there's a few players that need to sign somewhere
before we start to see everything kind of settle and
we finally get like that that lock going into the
AOGS open. The last thing I wanted to talk about here,
just because I think it's interesting and it's brand new
to the entire sport is the band system, the Legend

(39:37):
band system. And I've been watching some scrims here and
there trying to get more in depth with figuring this out.
And what I love about this the most is the
fact that going into the broadcast now for these for
these lands, it's going to be really fun to watch
people break down legend bands and compositions and stuff like that,
because I think for the last few years, I mean,
you might have one team that tries something different, or

(40:00):
or maybe on one map they swap out one legend,
but a lot of times these compositions stay the same.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I want to see if that happens.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Again, even with the band system in place, because I'm
gonna be paying attention the next few days just to
see exactly how it goes down. But as far as
I've seen so far, a lot of times this is
how the bands go as follow Ash Bang cat Castle
and then Gibraltar I think fits in in that final spot.
So what ends up if this ends up happening to

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where that's those are the legends that just get banned
at the end of every you know game, and it
just follows that same pattern. We might just end right
back up in the same spot that we were before.
But you will at the very least be seeing new
legends come into play, you know legends, and and they're
moving around a little bit. There are still going to
be nuances to it where teams are exploiting, you know,

(40:52):
a team's lack of having a good analyst or coach
where they might have one and they have this ability
to move things around. But as far as it stands
right now, ash Bang cat Castle, Gibb seems to be
the pattern that has been following so far with the
legend bands.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
It makes it that like it could be like, Okay,
game one, this is the metal we play. Game two,
this is the metal we play. Game three, this is
the metal we play. The only I wonder almost like
interesting thing is if like that pattern really really does
play it out. There's an opportunity for like one or
two teams to kind of like find something that can
make it play for all six games and gamify. I

(41:29):
don't know if we'd actually end up seeing that, because
I wonder if like it does start getting random where
its instead of like the ash Bang, Like holy shit,
what if Newcastle gets banned second game? Now? Suddenly like
you better adapt real fast, right, everything's changing. But yeah,
it's just it's it's it's pretty cool or not pretty cool.
It's actually I should actually even say unexpected to meet

(41:51):
that that already played out like it's obvious when we
see it happen. Now, Okay, the best characters that they
want to use are gonna get banned every single time
in a pattern.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
But for some reason I heard it and I was.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Like, oh my god, Like we're gonna get Bantage banned
on game three, Like that was never gonna happen, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I mean at the end of the day, though, no
matter what happens, like I'm saying, it could just follow
a very specific pattern. I think with the amount of
maps that they've thrown in here now, I still think
even with a pattern on bands, you're still gonna see
a massive amount and different range of legends being picked,
just purely based on the map you end up going to.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Like so watching teams play Broken Moon, they hate it.
I mean they fucking hate they despise Broken Moon. It
is so funny. Everybody hates it like it, they don't
like it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
They don't like it, and you know what that's you know,
it is what it is. Uh. I mean, it's gonna
be exciting to watch either way.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's it's gonna be I was going back through e
w C again recently, uh, and it was kind of
interesting the casters talking about EWC when we when Broken
Moon got played, we were as viewers and spectators are like,
oh my god, Broken Moon.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
This is fun.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Like we're all excited and like like because it felt
like something about like Broken Moon getting voted in, like
not even the other maps, but Broken Moon specifically felt
like it was almost like an exhibition map.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
But then on set's like.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Remember though, like, although we're finding this really fun, every
point in this game is the same waiting as every
other point, so it's not an exhibition match. And these
bros are taking it very serious too, And like you said,
I bet they're all sitting there going I can't believe
we have to fucking play this.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Map, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I mean, like I said, I was watching Furia and
they were talking to Jamo after one of the games
they were landing Solar Array I think it's called uh
and they're landing there.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Jamo goes into the.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Call after they die and he's like, I had this
ranked fourteenth on my list of pois that you want
on this map. I'm moving it down to twentieth. Like
they they despised, they hated it, and they just did not.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Lift side and has Matt tunnel. Solar ray sucks, like
there's not a lot could do. You have to wait
for other people to rotate, but they could rotate right
on top of you right away. It is like, yeah,
it makes it that like you don't have a lot
of options.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
You have to move really fast.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Not great loot you get console, you do get beacon,
like they both spawn there. But I don't know, what
do you think about like Broken Moon entering the mix,
like you've played it like a lot on a rank
or perspective, Like what do you think about it though,
Like if you're to call it like a ranked map
comp map, what do you think.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
There are some I mean for ranked map, it's not
bad when you only have to play it like once
a like one day, and then you don't have to
see it for a couple Like it's not nearly as
bad as like that one seventy day ranks PLT.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Like that just made it. I think that put it
just like.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Everybody hate the map, and that's Promenade still existed.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
That's stupid, fucking bittle.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
They just they literally just made everybody hate the map.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
And so I think everybody who like bitches about Broken
Moon's simply because they just still have I have like
resentment built up for it from that long, long, long
split all on Broken Moon. But when it comes to
like a combat, there are a lot of chokes in
a lot of areas where it's like very hard for
teams to navigate through. If there's gonna be like teams

(45:15):
already there, I mean, like, it'll be interesting to see
how it plays out. I do think that there are
a couple spots on that map where it's going to
be a really interesting endgame, But I'm I think it'll
be good overall just to see how different it does
play out, and if everybody's going to complain and talk

(45:36):
about how bad of a map it is. It'll be
interesting to see what that looks like come game day
and how that plays out differently from the maps that
we've been accustomed to, and whether there's gonna be like
a noticeable change in something that is considered a bad
map versus what is established as good maps.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
So what I am excited to try and get a
pros perspective on next time we get them on here
is actually about like even the competitive integrity, about the
fact like if they do six games, like how are
they splitting this up, Like I have no idea, like
are they doing two one, one two with four maps
or are.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
They doing two two two?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
So three twos and then like just one map isn't
played for the day. So maybe one day you get
storm Point broken moon E District, another day you get
storm Point Broken moon World's Edge, another day you get
World's Edge Broken moon E District. Right like, and then
the thing kind of becomes like where's the competitive integrity

(46:36):
at that point?

Speaker 6 (46:36):
And like how do you feel about that?

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Like do you feel like that's balance that you're getting
like a proper proleague split?

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Because okay, let's give it an example.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Like Falcons they fucking farm when it comes to Stormpoint,
Like I actually could even get the numbers here, but
like they go crazy on they actually were going crazy on.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Every map like right before.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Before before this land, but like historically zero has performed
really really good on Stormpoint, Like in Pro League last
year's second split Falcons. The Jayhawks puts a chart up
for their average points per day, and Falcons were so
far up on the storm Point chart that he actually
had to move them down just so they would fit

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on the same graph. And they post the twit picture
on Twitter, right, because like they were averaging like fifteen
points per game when everyone was averaging like seven, right
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
That's s baller.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeah, So like imagine like Falcons gets some sort of split,
Like if there's a way that they are with the
balance it out, then everything I'm saying is a moot point.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
But like imagine Falcons.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Get some sort of split where they are on storm
Point more often than other maps, and like compared to
a team, like maybe you have a team like Furia
who also was like maybe number two on Stormpoint, not
like the Falcons fifteen thing, but maybe they average nine points.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
And then all of a sudden, like Furia gets e District,
which is their worst map because it's the newest map,
they get it freaking less most often, and so they
struggled like is there is there competitive integrity there or
am I just like whatever?

Speaker 6 (48:06):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
They just play whatever, It's the same game forget about
the maps. Figure it out or don't, Like, do you
guys get what I'm saying? Like is that fair to.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
The teams or not?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I definitely I don't know if I can speak on
whether or not it's fair because at the end of
the day, like the format is still the same. But
I will say it is kind of crazy to go
from two maps and then instantly jump up to four.
I felt like just introducing E District, I think everybody
was pretty happy with that map, and it seems like
a lot of teams just really enjoyed that map.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Overall.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Every person we've talked to about it that's been on
the show seems to have liked it, and they always
speak glowingly of it. And I think that left us
with three maps that all pros for the most part
and the vast majority agreed were good comp maps. You
had Stormpoint World's at G District, and then it just
seems like you kind of threw in Broken Moon off

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of a whim, which doesn't I don't know that makes
a whole lot of sense. I mean, we went so
long with just the two maps, you finally get the
third one in that makes sense to be in there,
and then you just kind of throw in this one late.
That part doesn't really make sense to me.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
I don't mind it, because like we did, like the
other option is they take out World Touch. That is
another option which is really funny because World Edge has
been played for a very long time.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
It fe like, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I've had a cuugh, I'm tired of this map. Stormpoint
is also like Stormpoint has been played for nearly three
years at this point, Like it's been in the mix
for a really long time too.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Just please don't take it.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
I love Stormpoints still, so I would hate to go
to E District, just broke e District, broken Moon, imagine that.
But like there is a world really take out, like
World's Edge, but which.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Would be really I think that's such a bad idea.
I'm with you, Like, I don't care how long like
worlds that you play on World's Edge. Yeah, Like World's
Edge is like, in my opinion, a map that just
needs to be there, regardless of the other ones that
you have, because it's just like it's the map that
was creative, that was created for Competitive Apex. It's been

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changed and adapted like over the years, and it would
just feel wrong. And I'm surprised by the amount of
pros who do have the opinion that they think it
should be taken out simply because of how much has
been played.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
I think I.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Think it's just the popular thing to say, because there
are so many pros that complain about it. But then
after like you get some end games, like even nice Wig,
he complains about it a lot, but like I've watched
nice Wig also then be like that was a sick
end game.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Oh, like whether it's like Skyhook or there's that.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
He like he's always talking about how happy he is
on the end games on World's Edge sometimes, and I
I could be wrong, but like I remember you got
some point saying like like oh, like the World's Edge
games were like the more intense ones today, like it
tends to happen, like you know, you have a lot
more tight quarters. They know how that the problem is
like they guess they play out always the same. You
know where a team's gonna always be and everything like that.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
It doesn't change.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
There's not much variety anymore because has been played so much.
But like you just you get a lot of like
really intensity still on the map because it is so
much more close quarters than Stormpoint and E District for example,
E District's close quarters, but it's a bigger map, is
what I mean, or even Broken Moon, so you get
a lot of that. And then the other thing is
is that That's really funny is we were talking about
this actually before we hopped on the call, but every

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land this year ended on World's Edge. So you know,
in the past, before Year four, every land ended on Stormpoint,
and then this year just so happened to be that
every single land EWC split one ST two and Champs
and ended on World's Edge.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Does that mean the pros are suddenly so good at
World's Edge that's the one where they can close out
their match point games?

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Is it just random?

Speaker 4 (51:39):
I don't know, but it's like, you know, World's Edge
is still getting like some some excitement in there.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah. Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I to go back and answer your question, I would
be more comfortable with it just being the three E
district Stormpoint in World's Edge, I would be comfortable with that.
And I like Broken Moon, like I actually really like
the map. It's it's one of my favorites to play.
I really really play casually though, so you know that's
why I.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Hated Broken Moon. When Promenade was in there, I was
just yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Probably destroying the biggest glow up of all time.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
And then the only other issue now though, is like
quarantine Zone is like like quarantine zone is good, but
like I think it's bad for calm because it's get
it's crazy big yeah, whoever gets that?

Speaker 6 (52:23):
It's crazy?

Speaker 4 (52:23):
And like there's only is there only twenty pois on
Broken Moon two. I know E District only has twenty.
I don't know what Broken Moon has. But like even
across maps, like it's crazy that quarantine zone can be
a POI for someone to drop at. And then there
is a POI on on E District which is right
in front of stadium called Slumps and like it is

(52:46):
literally like five buildings and that's it. No respawn, no beacon,
no console, nothing. How can those be two eagle drop spots?

Speaker 6 (52:53):
It's wild?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah, Like, and I'm bringing that up across maps because
like imagine a draft. Imagine a draft where someone gets
oarnging zone and then someone gets Slumps.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
That guy's just like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, I don't know. Do you feel like they should
split quarantines zone into two?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I do, but they're they're getting they don't want to
split pois and they just they don't want to. So
like they got rid of all the split pois on
World's Edge, for example, So the only one I think
that still exists in the game is Barometer.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
I don't even know if I'm right on that.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
They might have got rid of the Barometer one too.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
It might just be one.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Quarantine down is stupid.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
I right.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Though, you literally you have the most in the game
of any p o I and you were literally center
map have basically just.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Like the best road anywhere.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, everybody would have to go through you for the
most part, like most most session of p p o I.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, I don't know. We'll We'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
We'll have to see, because I know even on that
stream I was watching today, they there still is like, uh,
they're getting feedback. I think the pros were saying there's
like a discord where they can give feedback to the
ALGs ops about Broken Moon, and uh, from what I
heard in some of the messages, there was a lot
of thumbs downs.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
There's a lot of thumbs downs, so well, just.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Mean it's gonna get removed, and I'm all, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I don't think they're going to remove it just based
off that. But as far as just what what people
are thinking about right.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Happened this year is EWC was a good kind of
like testing ground for some stuff, right, And they basically
saw that when they threw those random maps into EWC
that like they're like the pro players will if they
have to. If they're told they have to play it,
they will, even if like they can play it, but
they will. And then b LGS was a good testing
ground where they played it out and everything like that,

(54:51):
and it's the same thing. It was like, if they
have to play on it, they will. So it's like
if EEA or APEX like whoever is in charge wants
to get like the other maps to be seen for
variety and like for a viewer experience, probably players just
gonna have to play on it, right competitive integrity or not,
They're gonna have to just play with it and they're
gonna have to make do and I mean, like to

(55:13):
be fair. When you think about other esports, how many
other esports do you watch where like.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
They play on one to two maps.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Again, I know it's on a smaller scale, but imagine
counter strike only being played on two maps ever, probably
get kind of boring to see like they would play
out Like counter Trick has been played for twenty years
and some of those maps have been around for like
that long that time, like over.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Twenty I mean as casual.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
But whenever I see like dust, whenever I see dust too,
I don't want to watch.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I feel like I've watched more than enough Dust too.
And that's why I watched so much.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Is in the competitive rotation, like because it was it's
been there since like the nineties, right, or like like
there was a version of Dust and like the Dust
two came out, but like the other one is Mirage,
Like Mirage has been played for so long, right, so
it's like the way Mirage plays out every single game,
even if you're at like you play counters, like they
play out the same way all the time, right, because

(56:04):
it's just like it's been so perfected almost right. Yeah,
So imagine like they don't mix out change the maps
with the competitive rotation.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
But that is the update so far on everything with
the brand new rules and the brand new maps and
also the legend band system and figuring out what teams
are going to be doing moving forward, Ladies and gents,
That should just about do it for all of the
news updates with the ALGs so far as we're still
in the off season, but we've got things going on

(56:33):
down in the qualifiers. Actually, the team that qualified U
we should actually say some of the teams qualified here.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
VSM, that was Big Lovin Vain and was it.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
So those three are moving on into the ALGs open
from the NA region. So shout out to those guys.
I think Vain's been on the pod before. We had
Vain on, right, Yeah, that was before Jumps. That was
before Jumps, So shout out, shout outs to them.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I haven't had the chance to talk to Vane too
in death, but he's a cool guy.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
From what I see.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
And uh, you know, I get that freaking sick run
getting third at Land.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Hope he gets the opportunity to make his way back.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, we'd love to see it. We would love to
see it.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna hit a quick
add and on the other side we're gonna round out
the show, do the heart to heart and then send
you guys on the rest of your weeks. Let's get
it all right, ladies and gents, let's round this bad
boy out.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Thank you guys for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
As always, it's the off season, but we still love
being here anyway. It's always nice to talk some ALGs
with the fellows. Who wants to go first? You know,
it's you.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Reliable.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
The funny thing is, I was sitting here is like, shit,
they're gonna call me to go first, and I don't
know what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Do you want me to no?

Speaker 6 (57:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (57:55):
No, no, wait wait I got it because open up Twitter
and as I see Twitter, Unfortunately, he's getting frustrated because
they just lost by see Connor McDavid Connor David as
they lose to the Florida Panthers, which sucks. He's having
a little bit of a rough stint right now. But

(58:17):
the reason he's having a rough stint, he admit to it,
is he is having a tough time adapting back to
the NHL after scoring the game winning goal at the
Four Nations to take.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Gold and send us a home.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
So my heart to heart is just some good old
Canadian pride winning at the game we do the best
in and yeah, that's about it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Right behind, we're so close to you and you can
feel it. You can feel the heat, you feel the
us when you skip winning.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I don't deny it, like if we need better goal
that Bennington pulled through. But Bennington had me nearly with
a heart. I was holding my chest the entire game,
no word of alive, holding my just the entire game.
And that's because of Bennington leaving his net to go
behind the net when the US is dumping pucks in
at mock fucking fifty nine and I'm like, you're not
gonna get that book, stay in your fucking net. And

(59:17):
like the guy was never in his net. He was
constantly skinning around. I've never seen a goalie want to
be a player so bad. But anyways, he pulled through.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
He loves that building. He loves that building. So he
won a Stanley Cup in that building.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
Actually hates that building like that guy.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah that building. Yeah, So that was tough.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The Four Nations Cup was awesome and it was great
to see so many people talking about hockey.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
So that was sick.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
But watching the US lose, I haven't felt a pain
like that in a tournament that's literally brand new. I
didn't know I could feel so much pain from a
tournament that's literally never existed before.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
But yeah, but again, USA thing right, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
The Canada, US, But we also haven't seen Best on
Best in Canada, VERUS US in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Canners US in a long time. But nine years that
we had Best on Best, I don't know. Did they
both make the finals like at the World Cup. I
don't think they did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I don't think no, I don't think they played.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
But I don't think they made the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Like it was the the last memory I have was
I think, what was it, twenty fourteen golden.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Goal, No, golden gull was twenty ten, twenty ten?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
That was the last time. That was the last time.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
So they played in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
That was a year where Canada was just fucking unreal
and yeah, like just wipe the tournament clean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, twenty fourteen. I remember, wasn't it Jonathan Tabs and
Patrick Kane walked by in the in the lived and
it was Patrick kan just crying.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
He was in China bro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
So I didn't watch the final game, like I was
a given that Canada was gonna win, and they did.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
It was a seven am my time. I didn't watched that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Like, yeah, it was uh yeah, But anyway, hockey's back.
I guess that's the good thing about it. But also
watching the US lose to Canada again.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
You have to understand though, like I am a Leaf fan.
I am a Leaf fan, right, and so because of
that and then like you know, even my fucking Apex teams, bro,
even my Apex teams, I don't get to see anyone
win ever. Ever, so like this wasn't just the fact
that like this just wasn't the fact that Canada wins,
and like Canada Ranger, I finally got to cheer for

(01:01:14):
a team that fucking won something. Obviously I did.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
But the last time I did, I was eleven. I
was eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I was I'm sitting on the floor like watching the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Who is the m v P of Canada?

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Mitch Marter?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
No, no, no, no, who was the the guy that gave
the trophy to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Yeah, it was all just politics? Was Mitch Marter?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
But like the guy like like does he get that
he's Canadian? He's Canadian? What are you trying to say? Yeah,
with Colorado and their.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Ship this year, I'm just I was just asking who
was m v P.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
We're gonna like we're gonna prove, we're gonna just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Keep you know, me and me and Jumpa got we
got into reaming match for fifteen minutes about that game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
We're mid mid mid mid watching Love is Blind, Buddy
jumps in a jump. But how you're feeling about Canada
set me off, set me up. We weren't even We
weren't even fighting Canada US. We were fighting at the
fact we shouldn't get into this.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
We shouldn't get into it. Like getting read, I'm getting red.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
He were fighting with the fact that, like Wyatt, wants
to blame Austin Matthews, captain of the US, captain of
the Toronto May beliefs that he fucking let the team down.
Austin Matthews two primary sort rather the two primary assists.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
The rest of the team couldn't fucking do anything best defensive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Literally wrapper around that went off. There was a rapp
around that went off the stick, he lost control of it,
goes slot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
It doesn't matter if he doesn't take the puck and
drive it to the debt.

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
They don't fucking score twice in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Isn't looking for the plane.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
He was trying to score a goal and it caused
a goal. What does it matter?

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
They don't ask how, They ask how many and guess
how many. Everyone else on the team had fucking zero zero,
and then he was the best defensive four on that team.
Give me a break, Adam Fox fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, honestly, I will agree with you on that. If
I see a New York Ranger on the twenty twenty
six roster, I will riot because all three of them
were terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
They were all the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Worst, had the most players from their team in the tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And they all suck.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
They were all They fucking came back to their team
and lost seven to one to fucking Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah. It just the worst, the worst.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Anyway, we'll kill the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Well, yeah, we'll kill the vibe. Uh, Edie, you have
one or you want me to go?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Okay? Uh, I'm gonna follow up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
So, like, there was definitely some arguments in the in
the boys discord with me and Jumps, but there was
also a lot of camaraderie. Yeah, and it's and it's
one thing that's brought us together, and it is the
television show Love Is Blind. Now for people who've listened
to the Apex for a long time. Back in the day,
me and Finn used to talk about it a lot too.
Here's the thing I got all of the boys. I

(01:03:58):
got all of them to start watching. At one point,
there was nine of us watching. At one point. We're
all discussing love and which couples are gonna make it,
which ones won't. It turned into because right now season
eight is dropped, but the final episodes haven't aired yet,
so we just started watching season two. We watched it
in its entirety, and last night the boys up at

(01:04:20):
two am watching the reunion episode where we're just discussed.
We're we're vob reviewing Love is Blind, like we're we're
going back and we're watching and we're and we're taking notes.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
And was the guy's name?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
That one guy had like some crazy game like who
what was his name?

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
He's with the girl? Isn't the girl's name Lauren?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
Why am I?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Why am I forgetting his name? They're fighting all the
time because he doesn't like that she hooked up with
the guy before the show. Yea, his name is Dave,
Dave Dave. But like, the one thing is they've had
they've had an opening line in those pods, and that
opening line just slapped with every girl like you would.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Walk in he would be like, so what's wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
And I was just like, yeah, I was just like
writing some notes, what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
But yeah, So all the boys have been watching, and
the one that I really thought would never watch, the
one that I thought I could not get, was Jayhawk.
And when I told him that we watched the reunion
without him, I could feel the hurt in his voice.
So he was, are you serious, dude? Are you are
you serious? You didn't text me we watched the reunion

(01:05:29):
with he was?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
He was hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
So after this show, I gotta go, I'm gonna rewatch
the reunion. It's gonna be tough to watch because that
reunion is hard. That one is difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
There's one character in that season that's just an absolute number.
But yeah, people, bro it was he would not stop
talking the entire reunion.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
It was insane. So yeah, never thought.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I mean, me and Jay are just discussing the intricacies
of love after each and every episode, and all the boys,
all the boys are out there, were just throwing out
our takes and it feels good. Every single night the
boys are in there just cracking open a new episode.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
So it's great. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Love is blind bringing people together. That is my heart
to heart this week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
E I'm gonna just keep it something. I'm trying to
go with that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
I think that's great that each day we have an
opportunity to strengthen ourselves and get better. And I want
to make it to the gym more times than I don't.
And I did that today. Thankful I did that. And
I just want to keep getting stronger, I think, because
I think when the world needs stronger.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
People out there. So would you find that in the
gym is not a bad way?

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Would you define that as gratitude at all?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
No, I didn't say anything about gratitude.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
I'm just trying to see if I can just steer
it slightly there. Maybe maybe he's grateful for being strong.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Maybe he's grateful for being stronger. Shit, we're missing out
on it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Grateful for the opportunity to do all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, hell yeah, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
There was a gratitude extremis There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Ladies and jets.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
That's just about do it for this week's episode of
the Apex the Podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Thank you guys for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
As always, once again, we've got plenty of things coming
up here in the future. This offseason should be a
lot shorter than that time in between Split two and Champs.
I think it's gonna be much shorter, so we'll have
a lot more time to talk news, to talk strategy,
and also with all the new rule changes, much more
different discussions that can be had as the ALGs continues

(01:07:34):
to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
So thank you guys for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
As always, we'll catch you guys next week for another
episode of the Apex the podcast Say Y'all,