Episode 114: ALGS Champion Hiarka + ALGS Open Location Announcement & Roster Lock

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone, Welcome back to another edition of the
Apex the Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, we are here, the
boys are ready to go, and we have a banger
Banger interview for you guys here today.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Formerly Go Next.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hiarca hops on the pod talks a little bit about
the championship run back there in Supporo. Is a very
fun time talking to Hiarca, so fantastic interview with him.
Before we get into the interview, though, we're gonna talk
about some of the announcements that have been launched because
there are a lot We got a lot of stuff
to get to. We also have some teams that are
locked in. Actually all the teams are locked in. So let's,

(00:51):
without further ado, get straight into it, ladies and gentlemen.
ALGs is headed to the great state of Louisiana. New
Orleans is where the ALGs open is gonna be. And
my biggest question here because we've got a lot to
get to when it gets to this event, but my
biggest question is are we going to get an Enoch appearance?

(01:13):
Enoch hasn't been to a land yet. Are we going
to get an Enoch appearance? I want to see if
we can get one e.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
There's a potential for a Championship Sunday appearance. Okay, Okay,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna promise anything, but is
not too bad, I mean, uh, New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, New Orleans isn't too bad at all.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I would love to see it because I mean,
I've I've met up with the boys, I've met I
met up with jump I've met up with Finn. I
have not gotten to meet up with Enoch yet. That's
that's the final the final puzzle piece in the Apex,
the podcast puzzle, that is the last one. I haven't
gotten to do it yet, but I just wanted to
see if you're going to make it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
That'd be really sick.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
If we get a championship Sunday appearance, that'd be awesome
that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, I'd be sick. I'd be sick.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Now, as far as the rest of the boys, I'm
I'm pretty sure I'm going.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm not sure about Jumpo. You think you're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Like eighty five percent right now?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Maybe five percent?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, I'm waiting on some details.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I bought tickets today, so I should be going.
I should be going. It'll be a good time.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
So if you guys want to head on out, if
any of any of our listeners are headed out there,
we should be out there.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
For the most part, I know we're all the boys
out there. So that's why I'm like ninety percent because
even if like I'll say, what fall Look, I don't
know if something falls through, like I don't I have
no updates on anything about like if I'm meaning so
I'll just say that yeah, but like, if any of
that falls through, I'm gonna try to go out there
because how am I gonna miss when all the boys
are there? We got no you can't. Like thirteen of
us I've heard at this time is the count. At

(02:42):
this point, I was like, I'm gonna set on this.
There's no way.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, we've got a ton of boys.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
GMB boys as well are going to be heading out there,
so all of us should be out there, So come
say what's up. If you guys see us, it's gonna
be an exciting time and it's also going to be
a little bit different of an event here.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
The ale just ALGs opened.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Obviously one hundred and sixty teams and lots of differ
and stuff that go into that, so that event coming
up soon. We do have roster locks, so there are
a lot of different rosters coming into this one, and
there's going to be some names that you don't know.
There's gonna be names that I definitely don't know coming
from all these different regions.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But Job, you had something I was.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Just gonna say before we hop into talking about the teams,
I do want to talk about this Land. I know
we talked about like like we talked about it a
little bit like gay people, like the updates what this
Land is gonna be I I believe on a previous episode.
But two things I think are really crazy. First of all,
I know, we had like four months off from like
Land or longer. It felt like we had a really

(03:36):
long break between Germany and all the way to Japan
after having two back to back lands with EWC in Germany.
So that kind of sucked. But like, I can't believe
that Japan was like literally the end of January, like
beginning of February, We're already talking about Land. We got
this shit coming up at the beginning of May here,
Like that's that's crazy to me. I love that we

(03:57):
have this turnaround happening so fast. I haven't even made
a video about Japan yet. So that's why I'm saying that, like,
I love it. I love it that we're going back.
And then the other thing is is like, so it's
double elimination bracket, right, I actually still haven't even properly
understood how the rounds work. But like if you're trying

(04:17):
to like understand this, if you watch bogs or if
you guys remember the old like online tournaments and stuff
like that, the way that would work single elimination bracket.
So it would literally be you have like one hundred
and sixty teams, and right now, what would happen in
BLGs for example, what happened is is every round you play,
the top ten would go through. The next round, the
bottom ten are eliminated. Now there is like top ten

(04:39):
go to winners bracket one, bottom ten go to losers
bracket and then they have to wait for no, no, sorry,
they get paired up with another loser's bracket from the
first round and they play, and then that bottom ten
go out and the next top ten go to losers
bracket round two and they get the losers from who
come out of the top bottom ten of Losers round
one basically means that if you go into losers round one,

(05:04):
I don't know the exact number, but it's something like
you could play like sixteen rounds of apex for group
stages over the fucking weekend, Whereas like, if you go
through winners like you might, you might play you would
if you got through all the winners brackets, which someone will,
you will play like half the games of what someone
who went through the losers bracket begin. I don't know.
That's gonna be crazy, if I think the craziest thing

(05:25):
will be is if anyone does make it all the
way through loser's bracket a start to finish loser's bracket run.
It's the most Apex anyone would have played in any
giving weekend since this game's history, because even back when
they had Poland with eighty teams, it was a similar format,
but the games were also only three game sets, which
is brutal, Like everyone fucking didn't qualify because you could

(05:47):
get kicked out in two games. So yeah, that's gonna
be a wild, gaunt little apex. I don't know how
it's gonna play out. It's gonna be a shit show.
I don't even know how we're gonna be able to
watch everything because they're gonna need like four stages. From
what I understand, it's gonna be pretty sick.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, it's it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
This is going to bring up the Agel debate res
versus rust, and I think from when we went to EWC,
we found that, you know, rest definitely needs to be
prioritized by some teams, but some teams aren't.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Going to have that available to them. They're gonna have
to just grind it out.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, they're gonna have to find any means necessary
to keep themselves awake and keep their brains locked to
go through that much apex. I will say, if there
is a team that starts to develop on that storyline
or they're just consistently playing in losers all the way through,
you're gonna have to pull for that team. I mean,
how can you not like that's that's a team you
have to set aside some of your rooting power.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
No one say we get through like five rounds, Like
my eyes are like can they do it? And they
do it right?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
But you gotta watch it.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I wonder too, though, because usually the double elimination bracket
tournaments with other games, right, like I don't know Rocket
League one that comes to mind, just as one like
so double elimination bracket usually what happens when you get
to the finals the loser bracket team, this is like,
this is standard. Lose a bracket team has to win
two sets to win the championship, whereas the winning bracket
winners bracket team has to win one set. So my

(07:08):
thing is like, how do you now reward the ten
teams that went through the winners bracket run? And like, obviously,
like the rest is your huge advantage, Like I said,
there's gonna they're gonna be playing half the games of
those other people. But there's also the POI draft seeding.
And my thing is like, is that enough? Is that
enough of an advantage? Because like again in other games,
it's like that winners bracket team only has to win

(07:30):
one set, like in Rocket League it's a best of seven.
They have to win one best of seven, whereas if
they were the loser's bracket team, they have to win
two sets of best of seven because it's only fair,
Like if you went to loser's bracket, you've already lost
a game of seven, like It shouldn't be that if
you're now this winner's bracket team, you lose one game
to seven in the entire tournament and you lose the championship.

(07:51):
It has to be that you lose too. So I
don't know how they're gonna do that. I'm sure they
got some sort of idea. Uh, but it could just
be the rest and and the POI. But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's gonna be weird too.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I was just gonna say, like, low key, I don't know, like,
if you go entirely through winners and you play such
less games, are you somewhat at a disadvantage of not
having those extra games to like to like really like practice,
Because as we've talked about a lot, the only real

(08:26):
practice that you get for a land is by playing
at that land itself. And so the players who have
more reps and like a better understanding of being able
to like play the lobbies might have low key an
advantage over the teams that say, like you're like at

(08:47):
like you're a more like average level team, but you
just happen to have really good rounds, and then those
rounds then prevent you from getting practice to help you
against like those more final lobbies.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Maybe the reason why I've even bring this up because like, realistically,
like most of those teams that are going to that final,
they're not. It's the only way it's gonna be that,
like someone plays double the games is if they go
in the first losers and somehow make that gauntlet all
the way through. You have to think there's gonna be
a lot of people which would be that. It'd be crazy,
you see. That's why I'm like, that's the team that's
gonna get my focus. But like the like, for the

(09:22):
most part, there might be teams that like drop out
in the second last winners bracket and maybe they have
to play an extra two rounds compared to the winners
bracket or something like that, right, so they might not
even get that much reps or that much rest compared
to the Winter bracket team. I think we'll see a
lot more of those teams make finals again, because like
imagine like Falcons or something like that, in like the
second last round finally like drop down to like bottom ten,

(09:45):
but then they make it through the next two Like
are you really like like are you really gonna discount
that they could do that? Probably not? So yeah, So
that's that's my thing, Like, I don't I'd imagine like
you're not gonna have that. That's why I was thinking, like,
do they bring back advanced starting points? But I know
they definitely don't want to do that. I don't think
they want to do that at all. I can't even
remember if we talked about that was Shaheen on our

(10:06):
last podcast, but I just I know a couple of
times he's tweeted out in the past where you know
they really like the idea that like the POI draft
is what gives you your advantage and not you're not
the seating.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I think overall it plays a lot better and
it feels a lot better. And I do think that,
at least from a viewer's perspective, the advanced starting points,
I'd much rather have the I'd much rather have the
POI draft position see where people want to land.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think it just overall makes for a better watch.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think it's funny how much advanced starting points I
think have helped teams make more money in the final standings,
but it's never helped them win like match points.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I don't even think it's that. I think it's
just more fun to see where teams decide to go.
Because I yeah, like I said, oh, you still have
to have.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Both, like you like for the finals. I'm saying you'd
have both, you have the seating plus the poll. But
like that might be crazy because imagine, yes, POI plus
a ten points advantage.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, to go back to what you were saying, I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I feel like maybe it's not even the amount of
games they have to play. Maybe it's the amount of
time they have to wait between playing those games, because
it can be tough to wait like an extended amount
of time while other people are staying warm.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You know you're gonna get cold.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Ye didn't we ask hackus about that? I know I
interviewed Hack separately. I don't know if we talked about
that with hackis where I had asked him. I remember about, like,
what did you feel like going through for EWC, they
went through the winners bracket, they won, and they went
straight to final. So the only thing is they only
had like a day off, whereas like the teams in
the first group, we never got probably a chance to

(11:36):
ask some of those guys who went through the top
nine of first group, they had two days off where
they didn't play at EWC and then they went to
that thirteen game fucking final. I wonder maybe from their perspective, like, yeah,
you took two days off, do you have like all
this adrenaline, Like does that affect you like on the
final day or or no, I don't, I don't know.
Hackers said, like they enjoyed it. I remember that, like

(11:57):
they like the rest Essentially.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I think it's just gonna depend team to team,
but also it when you're going through all I mean,
this is the first time we've ever experienced this, So
I think we're gonna see a lot of things that
we're not thinking about right now that are gonna come
into play as the game starts to go on. And
then you know, there if there is a team that
goes all the way through the gauntlet at the bottom
of that bracket comes to the top at that point,

(12:22):
if you end up winning the whole damn thing, you
just can call everybody else's Mickey Mouse because you just
you went through so many more games.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, I guess, I guess it really does. Like the
advantages in but that's why I was saying, like it's
like that's that's so unlikely. I'm thinking with that people
who maybe only play an extra two rounds. I'm like,
is there a big enough advantage for these winners bracket teams?
Like if like you never go through losers, you never
fell into the bottom ten, and then all of a sudden,
like you maybe your worst day is finals and then

(12:49):
after it's like is that fair to that team to
lose out? But that's the only interesting about it. But like,
at the end of the day, I don't think it
really matters regardless, it's gonna be fucking sick. I was
trying to scroll through Temple's Twitter to see if you
ever did it. Someone did post a little draw up
of how many rounds you would have to Oh yeah,
is this ITWC explain, No, that's not it, but they're

(13:12):
like yeah, Like I was just really hoping someone had
like an explanation of how many rounds you'd have to play.
I don't know someone who knows the math comb below,
because I'm not gonna go.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Not a math guy.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I'm probably a math g. I'm just not interested in
trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, the other things obviously, if you guys haven't listened
to the show for a long time, where you haven't
been keeping up with ALGs for a little bit. The
other things that have been added to this specific land
are going to be broken Moon added into the mat pool,
and then obviously the legend ban and protect No I
said protect band system where the most picked legend from
each game will then be banned for the next game.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
So those are being added.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
It would be crazy. Imagine like you banned, but then
you could also protect. I'd probably be too convoluted.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I might have accidentally stumbled upon something. Yeah, it would.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
It would be a little crazy crazy, But overall that
are those are all the major changes heading into the
ALGs Open, and I think there are obviously the prize.
I think there's the million dollar grand prize. There's going
to be Champs points that you can gain from this,
and I think also five teams are going to lock
in for the mid season land.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Obviously that is not run after Pro League.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Huh, yeah, I said, is that right? Yeah, I didn't
know that.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I'm on the website right now. It says that
let me see, I lost the place. It says the
completion will utilize a double elimination bracket format with a
match point final. The event will award a million dollars
in prizes and championship qualification points. Additionally, five teams from
the ALGs Open will qualify for the mid season playoff.

(14:44):
Regional performance at the Open will also impact the number
of teams from each region competing at the mid season playoff,
which is kind of interesting as well. So region is
going to want to perform. You want to root for
your region as well if you want more spots.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Which is the next playoff I'm assuming goes back to
the format that we know.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, the format that we're used to, the format that
we know and love. I think that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, do we love it?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I love it is that it is.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
I actually I enjoy it. I do.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I do. You don't love it?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
No, well, I enjoy it, But like we've had it
so often, like so I think it's like really standardized
where I think it works great for what we get
from APEX, So like I wouldn't really want to change
it for the purpose that Like I think it just
gets the best competition of it. But that's because I
haven't experienced maybe too much else. LIKEFC had like a
great uh a great final and like was exciting, but
I think the competitive integrity of it lacked a little bit.

(15:39):
I think it was just fun to watch, but so
that so from competitive integrity standpoint, I think it's the
best that we've seen. But uh, I'm excited for this, uh,
this open Land because I think for the first time
we're getting to see something more.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
So I was just teasing saying that we love it.
I definitely do.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, you love it, but
there's you know, things are against right now. I might
have to spice things up. That's that's kind of where
you're at. That's what this open is all about, exactly open.
It's open. It is the open.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's what I'm referred to it as for the rest
of history. The Open.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
That's it's it's that's what it's called, the.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
The open, Open, the Open.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Uh yeah, So, ladies and gents, that should just about
do it for everything that goes into the open, the
rules of formats, all that kind of stuff. We did
also have Roster Locke where all the teams were locked in.
Now there are a bunch of teams. To be quite exact,
there's one hundred and sixty and we cannot go through
every single one of those, at least not right now.
We're not going to anyway. Maybe that's something for a
future episode. But I did want to go through and

(16:39):
kind of look through some of these rosters and kind
of pick your guys' brains on a roster that stood
out to you as far as something that you looked
at and you said, wow, I did not know this
because there have just looking through here, there were some
some players and some rosters that I didn't even realize
had completely consolidated. So I guess I'll start off with you, Jumba.
Is there a roster that you're kind of looking at?

(17:00):
And maybe it's not a newer roster. Maybe they stayed
together and they didn't really go through any of the
the changes that a lot of teams went through this offseason.
But is there a roster you're kind of excited to
look at or a newer one that you want to
see what happens?

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Obviously we talked about a hundred thieves already of the league.
It was right. It was cool to see that S
nine got picked up by LG like seeing that team
stick together. Who knows. I think that maybe because they're
one of the few teams that stuck together, had that
chemistry behind them could make them do better. Even now
I'm looking here Huss Team Huss, Duplex, Gent and the

(17:35):
reunite between Duplex and Skittle Cakes. Skittle Cakes really didn't
get to see last year. I know that Dupe had
a little bit of like a dip. There hasn't been
at like the peak as he was when he was
with Optic and seen as like the best team of
the world in year two. You know, now he's back
with Skittles and then Jen. I don't want to like

(17:56):
dog on the guys that Gent was playing with, but
I feel like, maybeybe he was like that team was
held back a little bit in the past, and you know,
seeing him with like two guys who have like been
up the top before, maybe maybe it's like this, like
getting that like fresh start again for Gent could be
almost like the revival for him. So yeah, I'm excited
to see how that team does. And it's gonna be
the first time I think we see Gent back at

(18:17):
Land since that year two. I don't I'm trying to
think about year three. I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't think so, because like, yeah, maybe it's a sub.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Maybe like Split one playoff. So I can't remember when
G two broke apart because I feel like after G
two broke apart, that's when he teamed up with Tripods
and then we haven't seen Gent back. So it could
be really cool and I don't think I could click
on it here. I don't think Gent's performance with G
two at Land was amazing at all. Uh yeah, last
time was Oh wait, he played at the twenty twenty

(18:47):
four Split two playoffs, so we have seen Land recently.
I forgot about that. Germany is a little bit of
a blur because I miss most that Land. But anyways,
they got thirty second there, but like before that, like
we didn't see him since the Split two playoffs in Sweden.
That's crazy. So and he got thirty fifth theres So yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
That's why we forgot about that, because that was one
of those teams that we expected to do a lot
better did not.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
That was tough. That was a tough one. Did you
have something? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I am excited to see how A hundred Thieves plays out.
I think that that's going to be the team that
I'm most excited to see, like if they're able to
live up to the expectation that I believe everybody is
holding because like when you look at it on paper,
you're like, Okay, you have an igl who seems to

(19:36):
be able to find success with anybody who was playing
with Like that's like one of the main things we
focused on with Phony was that when he was on
his come up, he had like different teammates all along
the way, and he was able to get it done.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
And then now you've given.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That guy arguably two of like two top five players
in the game to be his teammates and to be
the people that he's going to be able to like
put in the right spots.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It could be really really good or it could end
up being.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Kind of men.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
But I think it's gonna be a top ten team
and I would be shocked if they end up not
doing that.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, So remember Eve, when when Falcons first got together,
there was like this there was like this super team
aura that kind of just resonated off the squad, And
obviously they had some really good times, they also had
some some pretty bad ones. And I think the most
interesting part about a lot of these big name players
coming together is the fact that, like you said, it

(20:47):
does sound like you're playing both sides by saying like
it could go great, it could not. But that's kind
of It's weird how they play out because you just
never know what the chemistry is going to be.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Like, I'm not trying to play both sides.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm very confident that this team is going to a
ball out. Yeah, but there is the chance that ends
up not being so great. But I think the fact
that Jen Burden had that experience and has already felt
and had the weight of the super team expectation that
I think is having gone through that once already, he's

(21:21):
learned from that and he's gonna be able to help.
I mean, and Evans has been in a similar spot.
I mean, TSM was viewed as like the super team
before Falcons was a thing.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So Evan's dealt with it, Jen's dealt with it, and.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Bony kind of has too. There was a lot of
pressure on Phony being called like like SSG. It was
known as like somewhat of a coins.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
They were known as like the number two. They were
thought it was without question and the number two to Falcons.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
They so some people call them the super another super team.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
So this is a super team who all has experience
being on different super teams. Already, and so I think
this is gonna be the first time that we've seen
a roster that has that background come together, and I'm
fairly confident that they'll be.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I'll even change it. I'll say they the top five,
they'll go top five. I'll go top top five with it.
Why not?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, Well, they're obviously they have the talent, they have
the skill, they have the accolades behind them, they have
the history. So we'll see how it goes. I think
it's going to be an interesting squad. And I think
that's the squad I think most people are looking at
heading into this open because of obviously the shock value
of you know, Verhost leaving the TSM and and and

(22:33):
then joining.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Together with these two players.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It makes for a very good story and I think
a lot of eyeballs are on it. But once again,
you make a great point. They've already had the eyeballs
eyeballs on them before, so anything that you think, all
the pressure that can go on them, they've had it,
They've dealt with it, and you know, they've come out
on the other side of it.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So I'm very excited to see it too.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I got to show it to another one Thuggets. It's
the first time they're at land Trevstax and I just
want to make sure I don't make yeah, Damntic just
didn't want to make sure. And then January, who's new
to I believe the PL scene in general, like is competed,
but I don't think he's ever been in PL. No
has been in PL once with EC but like nonetheless,

(23:17):
the reason when I actually really shout them out. I'm
sure we've talked about him before on the show is Burke,
who was traveling with us in Japan, was our tour
god and everything like that, but very knowledgable runs in
YouTube general like that is their coach. So to have
our boy Burke, a buddy of ours, be a PL
coach now, like you guys don't know this, but like
we were, he's talking with me and Jay in Japan.

(23:38):
He's like, man, I want to be like a pro
league coach, like you guys know, like how we I
can get involved, and like Jay had a little bit
of experience with people like hitting them up. So like
Jay was giving some advice, I was giving him some
thoughts of like what I thought can help him, and
he's like, you know what or like you just gotta
put yourself out there, just try it. And so he
had like us like connection to them, hit him up
and like Burke's doing some pretty crazy shit for them.
That is it's it's looking good. And you know, like

(24:00):
he's kind of even told us like since he's been
there to change some things up and he's super confident.
He's like bought in. So love it for the guy
Burke gonna be rooting for that team so hard. There
can't believe we've got a friend who like a core friend,
like not something like obviously I'm a lot of the
guys in the scene now are friends of ours and
everything like that, but I'm talking to someone that we
knew before wasn't a row now pro league coach, a

(24:21):
Land coach. I would be so happy if they go
the distance there. So super stoked for Burke and Thuggets
and gotta give them a shout out on that. Also
note I did find how many sets you would play
if you went through all of Loser's bracket. I did
also want to say that, Wow, I must've sound stupid
when I said that you would play two times the
amount of games, because you don't. You don't play that manymore.

(24:43):
If you go all the way through losers and you
make it the finals, you play seven sets, And if
you went all the way through winners and made the finals,
you'd play five sets. So it's only an extra two sets,
which is still a lot. That's an extra twelve games,
like you know, but it is still kind of actually
the same that if you just dropped into losers from groups,
you're just playing an extra two sets than the winners teams. Yeah,

(25:05):
but like so that's just it's funny to say that.
The reason I said something like two times, and I
think I even ripped the number twenty is because I
remember seeing this Reddit post I'm looking at right now.
There's gonna be a total of twenty nine sets played
at the Open with the one hundred and sixty teams.
That's pretty crazy. There was only nine sets at Champs,
not including the match point finals, so thirty total sets

(25:25):
at at the Open versus ten. So we're a lot
of effects. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, that's how
many games are being played at once.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Good god, Okay, Yeah, I also want to shout out
Burke for that too, because Burke, I mean, we barely
met him in La, like that wasn't that long ago,
and all of a sudden he's had this rise and he's,
you know, like he's coaching this year.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I chually with Burke every day in LA, like me
and Burt Burke like a funny story. Oh this is
a terrible story, but we laugh back at it now.
So like Burke was the Savings, so like they we
wanted to get front row seats, like Dead wrote front
row seats. And so Burke was saving the chair for us,
uh for uh during like the Creator game for Matchpoint finals, right,

(26:09):
and he's saving like six seats for us, and and
I was sitting with him, but I was on off.
I had to bounce around do a bunch of things.
And so at one point I walked away and I
see like Hodsick and Jay and they go, hey, man,
we're going out for lunch real quick. Want to come
grab some food with us. I'm like sure. I thought
we're going like next door to get pizza. So I
walk outside with him to go grab pizza and they're like, yo,

(26:30):
Jumba Uber's here. It's like oh shit. I was like, okay,
maybe we're going just like down the street. Got in
like a twenty minute uber rack, and I was like,
oh god, I left Burke and Burke's now texting me.
He's like, bro, I don't know how long I could
hold these seats for. I was like, I gave away
all your seats.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Why.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I'm like, give away the three for why? Just saving
for me and Jay. If someone complains, tell him Jayhawks there.
I was like pulling, pull the name, pull the name,
it's Jayhawks seat. Tell them like it was just on stage,
that's literally over there. We're like, tell tell them security
cards is Jayhawk? Like I'm hour and a half goes by.
Burke's like, are you coming back? I gotta go to
the bathroom. If I leave, They're gonna take these seats.

(27:05):
Like please, man, hurry up. I'm like I'm trying. We're
in the roll the way back brom So.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Burke was playing defense on these seats and like he
was getting harassed.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
They were getting pretty upset get back. I felt guilty.
Burke's like, can you just please bring me back a
red Bull? And at that time I wasn't as like
cool with like a lot of the castles. I didn't
know any of them, but like I kind of go
into the green room and they had free red bull
there and I was like, well, guys, I'm stealing some
of your red bull I need to go for And
the funny thing is they're just like, yeah, we don't

(27:37):
fucking care. They fill that red bull up when we
don't even notice. YEA like uh yeah, So shout out Burke.
Burke's the goat, Burke.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
How many seats were you having? This guy saved, bro,
he was saving so many.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
At first, he saved the entire front row pretty much.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
He saved the best seats. One guy, guy, No, one guy.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
It was me and Burke. And then I left by
the well because I I did. I didn't think I
was gonna I thought I was gonna be gone for
literally twenty minutes, and I thought I was gonna be back,
and instead I left for like an.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Hour and a half or two almost.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I was like, yeah, Burke.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Was playing just prevent.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
I mean, he was getting it would be and J
and then it would have been I think I was
saving him for you, Chris, and yeah, no, because then
it would have been Donnie and Connor. Fuck. How many
seas do we have?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I think I don't even know. But we had a
lot of seats, and then I felt bad. And then
I mean we the night before, I know we were late.
I don't know what we were doing.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Probably guys. You guys were drinking all night.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Line, Yeah, morning, but we were.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I had to record the podcast. We had to re
record the podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, that that podcast.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Me, Finn and Donnie recorded a full episode like an
hour and a half long, and then I looked down.
I didn't click the record, but so I go, oh fuck,
and then Finn goes, rip it, rip it, don't even
think about it.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Hit the button. Let's go. Hit the button.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Let's go, And then we redid the whole episode. So
we were up till like four am, but we got right.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
He completely like like Burke's like, hey, they're harassing me.
I can't save these seats. There's like get rid of
all of them except for mind jayhawks. That's all of
them except for mine jayhawks.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
To be fair, though, like it shouldn't have been the problem,
Like guess what. In Japan, we saved a lot more
seats and no one bothered us, no one cared. There
was just a couple of like crabby fans like there
that were like getting annoyed. And then This is a
funny part of the funny story too. When the guy
saw me and Jayhawk as the ones that were they
were saving the seats for, his tone totally changed. Next thing,

(29:38):
you know, he's wanted to get in like pictures and
photos and this and that with us, and his tone
completely changed and he was like just being an because
like I understand like where it's like, okay, hey, it's
not fair if you're saving a lot of seats, but
we gave away all the seats. But he was still
harassing Burke about the last two seats. And this guy
had a seat. He's still harassing him about them. And
I'm telling you, his tone completely switched up when he
saw me and jay walk there. And I didn't think

(29:59):
I was a big deal, but still he did, he did,
he did.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, it was shout out Burke. Shout out Burke. He
actually was an absolute legend.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I would not have figured out Japan whatsoever without Burke.
It was shout out Burke, big time. Shout out Tuggets.
We're gonna be watching them from Afar and UH and
checking in on their progress as well. I want to
go through some of the teams I was talking about
here or thinking about here.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
No, you're good. You're good.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
So everybody who's listening to the show for a long
time knows that I usually pick my teams based on
interviews that I really really liked. I don't really pick
it off of you know, just you know how how
normal people picked teams. So I just go based off
of the the guys that I liked interviewing. And so
I'm gonna do two of those where it was obvious

(30:41):
that it's about an interview that I liked, and then
I'm going to do one that actually excites me, just
purely for the ALGs aspect of it, just the apex
aspect of it. So I'll start off with those two teams.
I want to talk about complexity here. Going through with Complexity,
my team that I picked on the finals day for Champs.
They bring in Funk, who I really really liked watching

(31:01):
back when he was on Luminosity was sweet. So when
I was going through and we were doing the prize
pick stuff, and every single time I would watch anything,
it was always Funk. Like Funk, I think he has
that killer instinct that this team desperately needs, and I'm
really excited to see how he can play with Monsoon
and Kimchi On, like with this squad, I feel like

(31:24):
they could really produce something big here because I felt
like sometimes what held Complexity back was the lack of
kills that they would have, and I think bringing on
a guy like Funk can really help that out. So
that's one that I'm really looking forward to. And then
moving over to Team Furia. Now, I love Keon. I
love having him on the show. He's one of my
favorite interviews of all time as well. The thing I'm
worried about with Furia is everybody knows about the drama.

(31:46):
Everybody knows that that was the thing. You can't just
pretend like it didn't happen. I'm excited to see how
they bounce back and see if it affects them whatsoever
going into the open, because that's a big deal. Those
types of situations that get out there like that and
they're very public, they're very messy. You don't really know
how people are gonna take to it. And obviously a

(32:08):
lot of the tweets got deleted. Was that an ORG
thing telling them, hey you have to delete these? Was
that like, hey, we've made up, we don't need to
have these back out there anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I really don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I'm sure some people on the inside have some have
some you know, intel on that situation. I personally don't,
so I'm thinking this is my my thought on it.
I think the ORG was like, hey, you guys are signed,
you guys are under contract. You guys got to work
it out and figure it out. And I don't know
how well that's gonna go over now. Madness did say
at one point that they were like he considered key

(32:38):
On one of his best friends. So maybe at some
point he takes a step back and he's like, Okay,
this is where I went wrong.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I apologize for that. Maybe Key maybe to go back
and forth and figure it out.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I don't know, but I am like interested to see
how that whole situation plays out. I just don't really
know what's gonna happen. And I want to keep a
close eye on Furia because before this all went down,
I was really excited with this roster. They do addkncked
and and they move on from backslaon, so I think
that that's an interesting upgrade as well, So we'll see

(33:08):
how that plays into it. Maybe it adds a different
fold to make it easier for the team to kind
of get along.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Maybe it makes it harder. We don't really know.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
We'll just have to see, But I'm keeping an eye
on Furia and and I hope, I desperately hope that
they do better for it, and I think that and
and I hope that it brings them together a little
bit more as a team, and they can you know,
they can move on from it, because they were a
team that were gradually going upwards throughout all of ALGs
here four.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So let's hope that they can do that.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
And then my team that I'm looking at, just purely
based off of Apex and excitement to see what they
can do. I'm looking at Team Envy here. You got dropped,
you got Psychs, and you got Zap with Talmage as
a coach.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
If you guys haven't checked out.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Our interview with Talmadge that it wasn't It doesn't feel
like that long ago, but I guess it was. Team
env is very interesting to me because I feel like
every single role of a traditional APEX team that we
had been seeing over the last few years, I feel
like it gets filled in perfectly with every single player
you've got dropped who can be the igl that you need.
You've got the anchor and Sykes, You've got the fragger

(34:10):
and Zapp, and then you have the coach and talent,
and so with all of that coming together, I really
want to see how this team performs and I'm excited
to see what they can do at the open. Those
are all the teams that I'm kind of keeping an
eye on closely. Uh, anything else, Boys, any other teams,
any other thoughts, any other any other players or teams
you're looking at.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
The Funk pickup is crazy, Like I think that's really
good for that team. I think exactly exactly what you said.
It's kind of like what feels like has maybe been
missing from KUMBUXI for a while now, is just like
having that crazy firepower. And Funk is like low key
one of like my favorite players for watching APEX. Like
when it comes to Pro League. What I remember when
like it was Sweet LG Sykes or Sweet LG Sykes.

(34:52):
When it was LG picking up Sweet Funk and Sykes,
I was like, Oh, this is gonna be a crazy squad,
knowing like what Sykes's cave done, the I that he
was and Funk, while I think people knew his value.
I like, I sometimes felt like they maybe they didn't
see it as much because like when he was with
uh Tech, it's him Tech and Zinu and Zionu and

(35:12):
Funk would go crazy and the kills Tech was they
were running like a crazy comperence like Crypto uh I
want to say, Maggie and then Raid. I can't remember
what the third one was, but they would Basically they
would crypto ALT and at the same time their crypto alting,
Zaiinu is poureding in with Raith so that he can't
get Stunn from the cryptol drops the port and like
he's Stunn a full team, and then they take the

(35:32):
port and they jump with them, and Funk and Ziinu
just go crazy. And Zaiinu led the league in the
Pro League and kills that year, and that's why he
gets picked up by Dark Zero at that point, and
they go in with Land but like Funk was their
other option because they were unsigned, but like Funk was
their other option. I think Funk was pretty close and
kills and I know Zero was final and told me
like if if Zero, if Funk was leading Kills, I
think he would have taken Funk it stead. So anyways,

(35:53):
like those guys are both two great players, and we
look at Ziinu was like this insane player, like you
someone like Jayhawk. His said a couple of times now
that like he thinks he's like the best player in
the game right now. And I think Funk can be
up there too, like, like I think he could be
amongst those names. But you don't hear it thrown around
that lot. So yeah, pretty pretty pretty cool to see
him there. I think he add a lot of firepower
to the complexity. And they just had their best Land

(36:14):
performance ever. And then on the point of envy, Yeah,
I mean we've talked about them a bunch. I think
that's a crazy team. I do actually think that they
kind of like fit very much the same. They seem
very similar to former LG as mean, because Zap and
Funk I think are very similar players. Just now he's
got the experience of igling siches there and then dropped
in Sweet are just two vetted igls, right who have

(36:36):
even teamed together, right, so they probably even look at
the game in very similar ways. So that's a team
that could be like that. And that former LG squad,
you know, almost won the last Land top three at
EEL at e w C. Didn't do so hot in Germany,
but who knows. Who knows what that Envy team can
do now? So yeah, two good squads you brought up there.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Did we did we talk about energy at all?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
He did not talk about energy. That's one why we
should talk about energy.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
We should talk about NRG. Yeah. Did you guys expect this?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I heard people talking about it. Uh, I didn't expect
the Yanya, but honestly, like Yanya not being with Envy anymore,
I guess like it was a place that could have
made sense for him. But Guild and Timmy reuniting together absolutely,
like the Moist was the best team at that that
Germany land. Like they had a bad day in finals,
but like they were great and uh and Guild and

(37:26):
Timmy worked well together, and so seeing them come back together,
it was very clear. I think that would happen.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, I just I that one kind of surprised me,
kind of came out of nowhere. But I was very
surprised about that, and it was It's an interesting roster.
I wonder how that one's gonna work that. That's another
one I think. I'm I don't know if I'm gonna
be like keeping an eye on it at all times,
but I will be interested to see how how everything
goes with NRG.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You know, I'm just interested. I believe me it'll be
pleasantly surprised. Hmmm hmm, because like I, yeah, I also
was a little bit surprised. And it's like.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
On like looking at it on paper, it should be
really good, but you never know how to come like
come game day. But I'm definitely excited to see what
this team does, especially seeing Timmy and Guild back together again.
And then Yanya should be able to be like if

(38:23):
they've been able to be successful in the past, because
I believe it was with Waltsey. I'm sure that Yanya
will be able to like fill fill like that role
for the team.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah, exactly, Like you know, Liquid with Yanyo was looked
at as like top five team going into like several
lands like many times we just talked about like Guild
Guild has one of the best resumes for for like
land history in general, Like there's no player that has
finished top five, Like there's I didn't say no player,
but there's very few players that finished top five at

(38:55):
multiple lands, and I don't think there's any players that
have done it with like different teams every single time,
like gild has he has two second place finishes with
two separate squads, so you know, gil Guild can absolutely
be up there. I think it hinges very much upon
I believe Timmy's egelling and like he's a little bit
new to it. He has like like Timmy has a
little bit of a very aggressive style of eye gelling,

(39:19):
which I think sometimes can get him a little bit
tunnel visioned on like going for like the kills and
the damage, which might like take away from maybe what
the overall big picture is. But that comes with experience
in practice. And you know, this guy, like the fact
that he's still sticking around when he could go do
other things, that means he's he's luck. He wants to

(39:39):
he wants to win, Like that's his goal, right because
Timmy has all the options of the world of what
he could do. The dude set for life. He can
go play any other game, probably gonna play more Marvel
Rivals and average more viewers or something like that. Right,
say's choosing to compete in Apex, and that means like
he fucking wants it, And I you know Timmy's always
I bet got a chip on his shoulder because of
the fact that he was that content creator before and
especially with the Last Land, where like he was I

(40:01):
gelling and everything like that. I think some people almost
have put some blame, like saying like, oh, one hundred
thieves can't do good because team Team's eyes yelling, not
saying I disagree with that or not. I've just seen
those comments. So I think he's got a chip on
his shoulders, like really prove people wrong. So I think
it would be an exciting team to watch, and I
agree with the Enox saying I think it will surprise.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
The I'm I'm looking through all these I'm just on
NA right now and I'm just looking at all these teams.
And we had mentioned earlier like a team that just
somehow runs the Gauntlet and and ends up, you know,
being at the very end of it. I see VP
pull pop up Vertus pro. I could see VP just
having a terrible, like terrible first set and then just

(40:42):
all the way through to the end, I could see
it happen. They're just those Zach Mazer teams are so
fun to watch, man, because one moment you're like what's
going on? And then the next moment there they got
fifth like they ended.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I feel like the chance like the quietest fifth ever.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, because they were.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Place that like nobody is talking about, like they did
so good.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Because they weren't on match point till after that game.
You gotta think nine games like so like like you know,
they weren't in that running like right like they were.
They made a huge climb up in that game. I
just watched their coms from it for game nine and
they're actually great. Like when Zach's combs are on, I like,
I'm like, this dude is like the smartest guy in
the world. I don't know, seriously, I truly mean that.

(41:24):
I was thinking this the whole time. I was like, Wow,
fucking Zach is really smart. And the way that he
was calling me that game movie positions, and that they
were just dropping kills like Liquid drops him at one point,
and like they just it looked like it was like
a fucking pub game of how fast they killed the squad.
It's like what, uh yeah, And to get them into
the position they did. Like the funny thing that is
that that they die is because the zone and because

(41:45):
Go Next had cat or else or else VP sends
that game to like another another game. I shit you not,
they played it so well?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
How much are you how much of their comms did
you watch? Did you did you watch.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
The entire video for or the entire game for game nine?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I watched Its just just that one game.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I always wondered, like what gets them in the situations
that they're getting themselves into at at points, because like
at Champs, it was like the camera would just pan
over and they'd be in the worst spot in the
world for no reason.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
You're like, what happened?

Speaker 4 (42:14):
That's what I mean? Why when I say, like when
like when they're on like they're really good, Like I'm like, Zachly, look,
I don't understand how like you're not winning these lands
all the time because like he yes, I'm like, like
everything you're saying is happening right now. I remember watching
like even back in LA playoffs, like there is so
much where I like I I have always had this,
like one of my biggest APEX what ifs is if

(42:34):
E eight didn't take that contest against Naski's team oh seven,
Like I can't imagine the what if for that tournament
because like the one game. They freaking didn't take that contest.
They dropped thirty points, and it was yeah, the final game,
the final game, Zach makes the fucking godspot call, literally
without even getting zoned to information. He goes, we go

(42:57):
here right now, And the only reason they died is
because so many other people realized it, and like they
had to fight like three teams at once, where then
Reject comes out on top and wins from the spot
Zach calls. So that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I
never know the what if. I'm like, what if Zach
didn't do that fucking stupid contestant thing? Zero points five
games in a row.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I think that that eighteen would have been like a
team that could have could have won that land, Like
I even I'd argue probably did win the land. I
don't know. They really played so well that entire time.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And yeah, it was what was it was Zap, Shooby
and Zach and then they had Talmadge.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
As a coach.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Talmadge as a coach, Like, that's a roster. That's a roster.
And I was sleeping on them going to Highlanta and
I'm doing a stream of Jayhawk and I was talking
about Funk and I was like, Funk's a shooter and
Zach's and the Zack one. Yeah, yeah, because Zap's not.
And I was like, bro, Funk, he's like top five
in kills right now, Like that's why I'm saying that.
And then like, honestly, I'm not gonna lie. He put
me on the wave of zapdo. I was like, okay, no,

(43:52):
I get his take. The tap went.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Crazy, so yeah, no, I definitely. I'm just scrolling through
and I look at that team. I'm like, that would
be one where like how the hell did they get
down here? And then they're just running through lobbies getting
all the way back to the final.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I would love that also did very good ATWC.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
We don't have their comms, but like for the first
six or seven games, they were top five ATWC. They
end up finishing off in twelve. But I mean those
those standings got put into a blender in the last
three games. Yeah, I mean yeah, like LG went from
like thirteenth to third or something, so like you know,
like the yeah, the standings just really got put into
a blender and it very much was a test of endurance.

(44:29):
But if it ended in like the typical seven games,
I believe they would have been a top five team.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, and that's what we're gonna have to see, is
endurance going into the open. Well, ladies and gents, we're
gonna throw it on down to the interview with Hiarca,
talk about Champs and all the things that went down
for his team, the old Go Next squad from his perspective,
and all the different stuff that went down during that
championship run. We're gonna throw it on down to Hiarca

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right now. Let's hit a quick ad and get into
it all right, ladies and gents, being on for the
very very first time, a very special guest, Hiarca, champion
of ALGs Sapporo.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
He is the champion the I g L Hiarca. How
are you doing, my man?

Speaker 5 (45:14):
I'm doing good. I'll watch you guys.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
We're doing great, doing great.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Now that we've now that we're all here together, getting
ready to talk APEX, I'm feeling great. So it was
it's obviously been like a crazy journey the last couple
of months. Obviously, you guys win Champs, you guys win
win the entire event. Probably the biggest one that we've
ever had. I just I guess I'll start with this,
How has life changed ever since Sapporo?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
How?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
How have things been different since the since the championship victory.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
I think my personal life didn't change much. I can
do exactly the same now regarding like professional life, it
obviously changed. There is more higher standards or now we
want to play the game and stuff, and now we
should present ourselves. It's not only like how can I
say any more? Only fun and maybe focus and now

(46:05):
we are one hundred percent focus because we want to
secure the We're want to keep our title or at
least fight for it.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Ye, yeah, I was kind of I was just gonna
say I was kind of gonna get that into that
a little bit later. But after winning, do you feel
like any extra pressure now, like when it comes back
to probably coming back around and even future lends, do
you feel like there's some more pressure to now perform?

Speaker 5 (46:27):
I don't think there's any impression because even though we won,
I think people will still see as us underdogs. They
don't think we deserved it, so they will always see us,
I mean, as they want. But in my opinion, they think,
oh they are inferior or something. So we're just gonna
keep our own team and we're gonna prove them wrong
once again, and if we manage to win twice, then

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there's nothing they can say, no for.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Real, can't say anything at that point. And that's something
that we talked about with Usako about two weeks ago
now and we'll dive into it. But it was really interesting,
like the discourse after about like, you know, whether you
guys deserved it or not. I think the thing about
match point is that that's the whole purpose that anyone
could win, even if you were seen as an underdog
going in, and you guys won the most or second

(47:11):
most games throughout the tournament, So it was pretty awesome
to watch and see you guys come on top there.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
It was, I guess going through and talking about some
of that discourse as well. The interesting part was afterwards
there were a lot of comments made about the legitimacy
of the win and for you guys to have this win,
to go through and have the run that you guys
had and then to hear that immediately after. Was that
was that frustrating or was it just like whatever, it's

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not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know, at the end of the day, we're the winners.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
It was not frustrating. I think each one should have
their opinion, right, I think each one is like entitled
to think whatever they want. Obviously, we were all playing
the same metal, so I think when they say it
was easier meta, they should have done themselves because everyone
played the same man that we didn't have any advantage.
Maybe we have a better coach in that case, because

(48:05):
our coach told us to play Catalyst. Apart from the
there was nothing different. And I just think anything they
say is like, it just doesn't matter we want any ways, Right,
they can just say we are better or not we want,
so it doesn't change anything.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah, I want to dive it, especially deep into the
Catalyst stuff, because I thought that was the coolest thing.
Is like, you guys an Alliance were the only ones
really playing cat and and then succeeded the most in
that tournament there. But why don't we go actually all
the way back. I want to get like the scope
of your story, your history playing Apex. I know you
started back at the end of twenty nineteen, so nearly

(48:44):
even competing the entire game this game came out. What
got you into Apex. What got you into wanting to
become a pro with Apex? I guess you could even
talk about maybe some of your game career beforehand too.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Yeah, beforehand, I only used to play for fun, Hanble six,
Contra Strike and stuff. What got me to Apex was
actually my brother. We were just playing for fun, and
then I started in twenty nineteen. We played our first tournament,
like a dual tournament. We got second place, and then
I just kind of gave up on APEX and I
just came back around twenty twenty end of the year,

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and then I just stick to it since then. Then
I met Usaco after the two ALGs tournaments, and since
then we have been playing together. Basically. I think that
was pretty much shit.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah, literally, like since twenty twenty. I know you guys
had like a little brief break in between there, but
like if you took that out, you're one of the
longest standing duos at that point. What was it like
when you guys like first met each other, you realize like, hey,
like we click, Like let's just keep moving through all
the years together that it's been so long.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
I think it's start. We were more like I was
playing competitive if I had like my team and stuff,
I just invited Usako and then we were like, I mean,
we liked the way we were playing. We had a
lot of fun as well, playing hundkuts together. Just kind
of stick to each other this whole time, and then
we split it. I think was when I got to
offer from Scars. I went to Scars and then we

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kind of split it. But after those that probably we
came back and since then we haven't split.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
It's weird to see a duo or a trio really,
anybody in Apex teaming for so long together. It's super
rare to see and it seems like a lot of
teams kind of abandon the team dynamic for whatever it
may be. But you guys have managed, other than that
one small stint, to kind of stay together this whole time.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Do you think that with around.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
The rest of the league that players would benefit more
from trying to find and sticking with somebody for a
longer period of time.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I think sticking together for a long time is good.
I just think that also comes with issues, right is
from the outside view. Sometimes we can think we have
the best three players together, right, but they might not
match like the vibes or the way they play the
game as well. So I think that's what as well
made me and the Soko swap so many turds, was

(51:07):
because we were not matching in game, or I think
vibes was always not an issue. We were fine with everyone,
we're still friends with them, but I think definitely in
the game was not matching. That's that's why I think
a lot of people like swap thirds and stuff. I
think sometimes it's needed, or even just swap a full
of rousters needed, But teams who can get along together

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for many years, those teams are strong and we can
see them. For example, Alliance, I think they're like together
for one year, two years almost and we can see them.
They were the best team in the world this year,
so I think it benefits.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah. I mean, if you look at all the landwiners
at this point in the past, like dar zero, were
players a team together the whole time, like TSM, Alliance,
you guys. The only outlier really is actually is SSG,
who at least had like a good set of months
of the team together. But they the only team that
was kind of newly formed, I guess you could say
when they brought in Koi after dropping Frek, So the

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longevity really does matter there. But even like similar, like
you guys had played with Isidon before bringing him back
for Champs right like w C, I don't think was
with you guys, Is that right?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
No?

Speaker 5 (52:17):
No, we we basically wanted to bring him to WC,
but he decided to stick with his team, so we
bring the instead j j W And.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Then that's right.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
We just stayed with JAV to the DC. After w
we decided that we needed something new and we wanted
to stick with Zidane and the timings matched with it
was free. We were looking for one and we said
let's actually give it a try now since we wanted
to do it before, and we did and it worked.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Usako talked about him a bunch. He said he was
so excited when he came on board to play with
you guys. What was kind of like your viewpoint about
that when you guys got him to come join for
Champs after.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
And new zidone is is very good and he is
very good. I think the only thing that he was
missing was maybe like an igl and established duo. In
my opinion, I think he in his previous teams, he
knows that he was trying IGL and it was actually
very good for him because he saw actually what it
takes and the pressure that it makes. And I feel

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like once he coul joined established to with the NIGL
and another guy, he just could focus on this game
and he was playing very well.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, he came in played cat and like the cat. Yeah,
was so clutch there for you guys, obviously, like I said,
we'll get there soon. I had one more question, bro brother.
I'll let you guys jump in, but I want to say,
like you know, this is my favorite question to ask
pretty much every pro And since we're still talking about
some of your earlier parts of your career, is that,
like you know, you mentioned that tournament you played that
duos with your brother. I saw that up even on Wikipedia.

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But like in that first two years you competing, like
the biggest prize bool you had won was like seven
hundred and fifty dollars from one of the early algs's
and all the way now, like about four or five
years later, you guys take home six hundred K as
a team. Do you ever kind of look back at
your career and like see that journey and just like
what does it feel like when you look back at that,
what does that make you think? To see how far

(54:06):
you've come and how much you've been able to accomplish
in that time.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Yeah, I think what like gives me is like I
feel so happy. But also this is a thing that's
I I always did it because I love Apex. I
actually really like the game is not something I'm here
forced to do. I play Apex every day. For example,
the Steam thingy when after a year I had opened
Apex of three hundred and sixty five days, I opened

(54:32):
three hundred days in a row Apex, So it's kind
of crazy. I literally just all my life is Apex.
So basically what I did was as you mentioned, when
I did seven hundred and fifteen two years was my max.
I just kept grinding. I knew at some point it
would click and I would succeed it just believed to
be honest.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Yeah, it's always inspiring to see that, like to stick
through with it and see what you know comes of it,
even like all the hard work what accumulates to eventually day.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
And so obviously this was your guys's first I believe,
first land with Zadan other than his presence, Azure third
what would you say was like one of the biggest
things you guys changed between you and Newzaka that allowed
you guys to have such a like substantially better plan performance.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
I think we performed better at long because we got
a new coach, right, he kind of helped he kind
of know he helped me a lot on the situation
of the other way I when igl basically when I
bring him into the team, I explained it to him
what I wanted him to do, and he did it perfectly.
We had all the zones and stuff regarding Oxako, Like

(55:51):
I think we moved him back into a superort role.
But it's kind of weird because the past meta was
kind of everyone played together, so was not really much
a rager. But we moved him into the support role
and we kind of let's just it done like shine
because we knew he was pretty good, so we were
like his main catalysts. I think it would work, and

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that's why our coach decided us as well to play
catalysts because it was mainly because of the roles. But
he always said, oh, guys, that is the everyone's humpared
if we have catalysts, we'll win every bubble. Fight, and
it's pretty much what happened that long. We won every
bubble fight most likely, and against Alliance we had some
some that we I think we won in finals the

(56:34):
ones I remember, but it was more than even fights
was against them because that cat.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Yeah, and so that that kind of goes into it
a little bit. What was like the big reason that
you guys use Catalyst? Was it just for the bubble
fights or how important was her ultimate in like the
decision to use her versus rampart when everyone like he's
using rampart, like I think, like I think it was
like seventy percent of teams we're using rampart throughout the tournament.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
So basically a catalyst fits as well because the way
we plays, we knew all the zones, so every time
we knew the zone, Catalyst can be played zone right.
But let's say I don't know the zone or a
zone is way too far. We play for third beckons.
So catalyst helps us a lot because we can just
do a litter rotation. We can do more crazy rotations

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as I like to do. For example, everyone is sitting
in the house and I just call a catwall and
we just run into the building. And we split buildings.
Catalyst helps us a lot, even though Rumpart can counter
with the shield at the doors and stuff. I think
Catalyst is way better, not only as you said, because
of the bubbles, but in general everything you can make
micro rotations, you can play more free because I feel

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like with Humpart we were getting way too stuck. We
were like dependent. If I eight a zone, we do
good games. If I don't, we have problems leaving the house.
Everyone shoots at us, and we knew in screams what's happening,
And I said, and even our coach. So guys at
Lane will be twenty squads. Everyone will be scared as
not as we If we don't have catalysts, we will

(58:02):
leave the building and just die. Because Scout was met
and nemazies was impossible to do rotation without cat.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah, in like hindsight, it almost feels like it's obvious,
like when you see that and you talk about that,
But did you have any insight why maybe so many
teams were playing rampart. I would lie like before Land started,
I wasn't able to watch scrims as much as I
wanted to, but I knew that there was a mixture
between a lot of catalysts and a lot of ramparts,
and then when I got to Land, I was like,
this is a lot more rampart than I was expecting.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I think my only only explanation is people is way
too scared, and the teams who weren't scared, they started
this humpart stuff right, and then it's kind of like,
let's say the big teams do it. Then the teams
who are not that good, Oh, they are doing so
it means it's good, so they follow up. And I
think it's just about each one do his own thing.
I think a lot of teams would have performed way

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better if they had catalysts, because especially NA teams, they
have the best ketalyst in the game.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
The a lot of controller players that are so good
on catalysts. I don't know why they put controllers on humppart.
I don't think that's a good idea. We tried ourselves
with Ze done. He was trying to move, the shield
was not happening. He couldn't tame with the shield, so
we said it's impossible, right, So I think, yeah, it's

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everyone had their own idea. But I think as on
the Lions, had the different view of what was good,
and we kind of saw what happened. Not long we
had very good games because of catalysts and games especially
z done. I think out of six games, no, five
games we won it clutched three with.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Catalysts both both games and final. Yeah, you guys won
by dividing the entire zone off and like you just chilled.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, and going into that final game, I mean, the
the catalyst essentially wins you the game with that wall
at the end there, it splits off the two teams,
It forces them to fight together, they converge, and then
you come in there and you guys clean it up.
I asked Uzako this same question, and I'm curious to
hear your answer on this because you're the igl, You're
the you're the one kind of making the calls here.

(01:00:08):
When was the moment that you knew for sure that
you're like, okay, we're going to fucking win, like we
were about to become the champions here. Where when was
that moment for you?

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
When we were in the truck top six, I knew it.
So basically I watched all the teams around, I saw
the team on our truck was rumpart. The team far
away was rumpart. So I said, these two teams will
not move because VP and LS you will love each other.
I literally said on the comps, they will not move.
We just with the ice guys to fight. We go
trippy and we win, and the this basically what happened.

(01:00:40):
We used the cutwell, then we used the rest of
the nemesis and it just happened.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
And I'm pretty sure if a spike didn't kill someone,
it didn't enough damage that that's why they died his
own Yeah, yeah from.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
The Yeah, and Zidan through a very good night as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Usako said he knew on one of the Earth Like
Zone polls when he when when when you guys were rotating.
I think you guys had to rotate through guyser if
I'm not mistaken, And he said he knew at that point,
and so I just was curious to see, like when
when exactly you guys were both kind of thinking it now,
when you're in that moment and you know that there
is something gifted to you right now and there's a

(01:01:17):
very good chance you're gonna win this thing, was there
any sort of nerves or was it just complete? I'm
locked in. I can't there's there's nothing going on in
my head right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
But finishing this thing off.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
I think that ane of us were there. Obviously I
was not really none of us, but they were there,
right we knew we could win. It's a big moment,
but I feel like we all kept it calm and
we actually managed to finish it. But then we're definitely there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
You attribute a lot to your coach, though I would
butcher his name? Is it is Steves or is it
Stev's okay? Like with also do like White's mentioning God
through you guys? Are you guys had big mod and
then and no one dropped geyser did any What did
he add like in terms of like the POI drafting
too about like where to go? How did you that?

(01:02:07):
Because that was like a big thing with this turnam,
especially with three maps, and it felt like that was
just so valuable for you guys, having essentially two poys
on World's edge.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Yeah, our coach everything's planned on the sense of pois,
so we knew where everything was landing. So he always
told us, oh, yeah, we're gonna pryor stormpoint And then
we're gonna pryor the other maps. So basically with Big Mode,
we were kind of lucky because Evil Genius I think, yeah, no,

(01:02:38):
it was not Evil Genius. Sorry Envious and yeah, envious,
where's the last peak? And they decided to go Epic Center,
So we basically got two poys. But these two combinations
kind of lucky at the end, but all of our
other pois were kind of studied. We were priving Stormpoint
and Brooke and what is it called? It is the

(01:02:58):
second Luck. Yeah, we were praying those two maps, and
then the world said we were just going for a
Big Mode because we didn't mind playing big Motor guys
every time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, everyone being afraid the guys are there,
like you guys get both that zone poll and everything
like that was so clutch. When I was watching that,
I was just so surprised that no one was guys
or at all.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Now, something we love to talk about on this show
is because obviously we love the players, you know, we
love talking and hearing all the stories about what's going
on behind the scenes. But some of our favorite things
are really dumb, and one of those is championship celebrations.
I'm a big celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I love watching a good celebration, and I don't think
there's a celebration that I can remember recently that was
anywhere close to the one that you put on. I
rewatched it before you hopped in here, and there was
about seven different instances where I don't know, let's walk
through you see go next has one?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Your name is there? Did you just black out because
you were all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Indeed, I even when I fell on the ground, I
was just losing my my sense, you know, I was.
I was out of my mind. When I went above
the table. My blood pressures just went all gone and
I was I was completely lost. That was literally what
I felt in the moment to do, and I was,
I was just going crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah, it was. It was insane.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
There was the moment where the camera cuts to you
because it was on the crowd for a little bit.
It cuts you and you're just on the ground. Well,
I laugh out loud moment for me because just a
few moments before you were on the table standing up,
you're pointing at the badge.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
You had the badge point going.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
That's why I asked you if you watched sports before
we were watching I was like, he has to watch soccer,
slash football, whatever you want to call it. He has
to watch it because you had the bad you had everything.
Was there any sort of after that, after that goes
down and it kind of settles down a little bit,
did you take in a moment to kind of just
look out at the crowd and kind of take this

(01:04:55):
whole situation and this is the biggest land we've ever
had in this game, and you you just want it,
like there has to be some moments of reflection there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
I watched the crowd at the start, I kind of
saw nobody was really like, how can I say? Everyone
was shocked in my opinion, And then I think when
I really like I really watched the crowd was the
moment after I came back from the ground, after I
was laying there, I just watched the crowd and I
just saw so many people and I was like, oh

(01:05:24):
my god, we just in front of so many people.
Is it's just crazy. That was the moment I really
watched the crowd till then I was completely focused on
the game and even on the celebration. I was just
I was completely shocked as well. It was an incredible moment.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I also loved what you said after, like your speech
when you were talking about like, you know, just coming
in like as an underdog and like no one you know,
really expecting you guys to come here and let you guys.
You guys showed up, you put up and like you
proved everyone wrong. It was just cool. It was cool
to watch that, especially like for the championship, not just
any other lay in the championship. They kind of got
to talk to you shit a little bit, like they're right,

(01:06:04):
like in a positive way too. It was like it
was like like you guys were gassing yourselves up, but
it felt like very motivating for other people too that
like you know again back to that anyone could win
here at this event.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Yeah, I feel like when I did the speech, I
was It's what I felt, and I really believe in it.
I'm I'm a guy who believes a lot in God right,
and we all have like our our proposes. It's gonna
happen no matter what if you just believe in it.
And as for us, I feel I felt like Deadline

(01:06:38):
was just a blessing. We played so good our group stage,
we ne bracket. We have we had the worst day possible.
We had that land and we still managed to made
it through winners, which is great as well. And then
we went to finals. We started the bed and then
we won. So I'll have to stay just just believe.
And if you believe, it will just happen. And even

(01:06:59):
if it didn't happen, next one would happen maybe, And
that's just about It's just about believing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
So you guys were formerly Go Next, and that's who
you guys want to ask? Is that more than just
a team name for you guys?

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
Yeah, obviously I feel like they Go Next. They we
had a lot of fun with them. Obviously was like
a short term. We had like four months. I think
with them. We were able to meet the CEO, the
co founders, I guess, and these friends, which is because
Go Next to like is only one one guy and

(01:07:36):
these friends goes like the org. And then yeah, I
really liked to represent especially Go Next because there he
always told me when we joined, all our previous rosters
never were able to make finals. We made finals and
we won was kind of crazy, like we broke the
curse of them. So it kind of felt good to

(01:07:57):
Go Next in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Did you guys also probably had a once again, we
talked about some dumb things on the show. You guys
had a top five jersey in the entire tournament. The
jersey went. Watching back that celebration, I was like, holy shit,
this is a really good jersey. Do you think that
the jersey added any sort of any sort of a
little bit of luck going into the finals potentially helped

(01:08:22):
out the squad a little bit, like a look good,
feel good situation.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Yeah, I feel like the justice was pretty good. I
really liked it. Now we fit out luck, I'm not shoot.
We were looking good, that's for sure, But the luck part,
I maybe it did. But yeah, the Justin were pretty good.
I really liked them. They were awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Actually, if we want to go really with luck. So,
I guess whatever the day of the show match was,
I think it was a day or two. It was
the third day of land. But yeah, So I was
in booth three and I won one of the solo games,
and then one of the graceful was all So in
booth three next to me, and he won one of
the solo games. We played four games, and our booth

(01:09:04):
won three of those four games. So could be that
you won land because you're in our booth, like you
were in booth three, and I noticed that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
And to be funny, that booth three in finals it
had a broken table. My table was broken in the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I sat on the right. That was that's all dunk.
I will blame that on No, wait, graceful was in
the middle. It's all graceful.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
It does maybe the lucky booth, Actually.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Yeah, I think it is. I think luck did play.
Like listen, it's not taking away from the wins. Sometimes
things just happened and it just goes in your favor.
And that was a lucky booth. Jumpa got lucky from
it and go next they get the championship. Not to
mention they're sick jerseys. It's all there. It's all there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Today it's always Apex. I feel like Apex is one
of those Apex PBG. Every battle Royal. You can be
the best, but Lucky is always involved because the little royal.
It doesn't matter all good you are. If you have
a beat off Lucky, you'll be able to do this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Realistically though, that's most sports, like you know, a big
fan of like hockey and everything like that, and like
the saying always goes like you've got a bad bounce
or you've got a good bounce, because of the fact
that it's just like there's gonna be luck, there's gonna
be something involved, and it's just more so about like
how you show up in those moments when when the
luck happens, when the opportunity arises, like are you prepared

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to seize it? Right? Which is is like the most
important thing now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
I was just gonna ask another really dumb question, but
I'll just throw it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
How heavy is the trophy?

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
It's uh, it's pretty heavy. Yeah, I mean the hard
problem carrying it because also it was almost my size,
so it was like seems like I was carrying myself.
So it's kind of a tough one. There's even moments
if I mean, if people can read the leaps, I
said to the coach, please get up it. He's gonna fall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Him that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Uh, I guess that that leads into another question, because yeah,
I gotta I gotta ask about the trophy lift.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I'm I am a short guy myself, and you know,
I felt the pains of being short my entire life
and watching Phony n S.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
SG Win in Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
There was a tough moment where Phony, the shortest guy
on the team, is on the outside and he's trying
to grab the trophy but he's just not tall enough
to get there. Was there a conversation to have you
in the middle so that you could hold it up
and also have like the the other two on the
other side so it doesn't it's not a Was there
a conversation about that was.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Like, it was like the day before. I said, guys,
if we win, yeah, I'm grabbing it first. Then we
lifted Yeah, anything, if anything, I'm going with the trophy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
He just basically that. But yeah, that was definitely a
talk and there was would be no way we are
winning my first. I mean, and I'm like, hey guys,
and hey guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, it was a tough look for Phony, and I'm
glad that you guys had the conversation. I think this
is going to lead more for the short kings in
the future to be able to be right there in
the middle so you don't have to worry about that.
I loved seeing it. It was my favorite part of
the entire celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
It was great. I'm glad, I'm I'm glad you guys
had a conversation. It's great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
It is true that I did not think about the
fact that, like, if you guys won like playoffs, for example,
that's a small trophy. But I am looking at the
picture right now, and this trophy does go from like
the bottom of your turso all the way up to
your head. It's a big trophy. Like you can't really
tell that's but mind you, it's actually that big compared
to everyone. When I'm looking at it, that's a huge

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like wow from afar. It doesn't look like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
It didn't look as big until I saw everybody like
trying to carry it around. I was like, okay, this
actually people are struggling here. This thing's big.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
And then the only other sick things that I keep
bringing up because I don't know if enough people got
to see them, because they didn't give you guys these
to laugh. But the jackets, the Varsity Jiant, like if
anyone wants, like, if you look right up behind his
head and the picture next to the gibb, you're wearing
the jacket, and it's a sick jacket. I saw them
on the first day someone sent us like a picture,
and then I'm pretty sure I was supposed to keep
it quiet. And the first thing I did is I

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told h nice wing when I saw him, but stand
next to him. He's looking at this jacket and a window.
He's like, that's a sick jacket, like that's where the
windows of land. And I'm like, don't tell anyone. I
don't think I was supposed to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Like, yeah, yeah, I do think like a trophy is cool,
you know, like having the medallion is awesome, a ring,
like all these different things that that games or sports
do for trophies, it's awesome. But those ALGs jackets, if
they make that a thing going forward where just the
winner gets the sickest jacket you've ever seen, I think
that would be good for the sport because watching, like

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seeing you guys, all all of you guys in the
jacket was sick. It made like I think, I think
the jacket might have inspired one or two teams to
try and go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, it might be a crazy. Take the jacket is
that cool?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Not the not the not, the not the money, not
the years trying to win the land, the jacket.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
That's racket.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
That's a jacket and golf like, right, if you win
a master's you get jacket, a master's jacket, so like
it's the apex version of that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's actually funny. Started when we went to
have diner with the CEO and stuff. That was a
guy who wanted to buy the jacket off z it
done for three k Oh my god. He literally said, means,
don't say I'm not selling.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Chees, Like did you just see how much I want?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Three k is just not going to kind of maybe Likenny,
maybe thirty three k Ain't no way, I'm I'm saucing
my jacket away the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Hell.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
No, Well, I don't know if you got any more of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Your No, that was all my celebration. Those are all
my celebration questions.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Honestly. What I was gonna ask you is, though, so
like over your career, like you had like a lot
of like upper down moments. You've talked so much about
like loving the game, being motivated from like the competitive side,
Like where does your competitiveness come from that? Like, you know,
when you have a lot of these ups and downs,
you you never waivered. You just stuck through and kept competing.
This whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
M I think I think it's literally just a passion
for the game and also seeing other people win, right,
I always had. I always looked up for the Imperial
out right since the start was like always the best,
and I still think it's the best no matter what.
So I always looked up to him and I was like,
it must be cool. And then I saw him lifting two, three, four,

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and it's it just crazy like and once I did it,
I was just I really realized how we've ow. I
could imagine how he feels for one time, you know,
like lifting the the just it's just an amazing moment.
But I just stick to it because it was basically
it just I got inspired by other people to keep

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going right as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I think too, when you look back at your guys'
placements throughout all of the different algs's in the past,
there was a lot of times that you guys made
finals lobbies but didn't necessarily have the best day. And
I think I threw this to Uzako as well when
we talked with him. How much of a difference was

(01:16:27):
Do you think as a team that you guys felt
when you started off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Slowly in this tournament?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Do you think that the past self like got you
guys in the past would have had a tougher time
bouncing back than you did now. And how much have
you guys learned from those failures in the past to
be able to catapult yourself your guys selves forward to
be able to win this one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
I think one hundred percent. I think back in the days,
we would not be able to win this because I
think ornamentality improved a lot. I would gameplay me as
an igl right as well, because I learned from my mistakes.
So I think we all did as players, We all improved,
and I think as well our workactic for this loan.
I did so much background to work with the coach

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because I only told the boys. I was like, guys,
you just play the game. You just be good on
shooting me and the Stevens will sort everything else out.
Men Steavens, we knew how everything played, the lobby. We
knew all those zones. He had them up full of zones.
So I think the work, together with the experience that
I gained in previous runs when I it didn't went
as well, I think it definitely will. It was the

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game changer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
It's cool to see too, because you just it's it's
one of those teams. And I think, like you said,
when you looked in the crowd, you saw a lot
of shock of people not really knowing what just happened.
And I think a lot of that too was probably
people unfamiliar with your guys' game. But if you look
at and take a look in the past, you guys
have made a lot of finals lobbies and they were

(01:17:56):
just there, just hadn't been that, you know, that stamp
where you guys really made like a big name, like
a splash in those lobbies. But this time you guys
find a way to do it. You guys break through
and have that big moment. Now, I guess moving forward
into what's going to happen with ALGs Now and the
open and the changes to the meta and stuff like that,

(01:18:19):
how have you guys been adjusting to all of the
newer changes going into season twenty four.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
So basically, we are now in a moment of trying comps, right,
We are trying to see how the bands work. Our
coats are already taking notes, so we should take we are
it's our first week screaming, so we are like seeing
what each one can do better and stuff. So I
think basically what we're gonna do is just once we

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have everything settled, we will just stick to some comps
after each one right adopt, and then we will just
go go go into the Proleague and basically do everything
that we did for the Chumps, we want to do
for every tournament, because yeah, we want chumps, but I
think we want to win now the problegue as well,

(01:19:09):
since we never won online, but I feel like online
is also harder. For some reason, people just better online,
so it's just different. But yeah, our objective is just
keep working hard and and and nothing much different than
we did that Chuance. To be honest, do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
You think people are cheating on online?

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Yeah, that one hundred percent. I think so because if
you see Apex is one of the few games that
Probaeague players hardly get bunned, and there's no way everyone's legit, right,
and then you have people to do top too on
pro League, and then they go to London they get
top forty. There's just no way they do that five
times in a row, respectfully. But I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
I feel the error.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
If there's a specific there's a specific team is true, right,
I don't think a lot of people are shooting in you.
I think we have a lot of good players, in
my opinion, and I think out of the eight teams
who make LUNG, I think seven, and then that is
one team.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Yeah, we actually have one of our one of our
fellows here is quite a big fan of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
One squad.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
I just know everybody was hating on them, and I
said they would make the finals, and they had a
great group stage day, and I may have popped champagne
a little early, and then yeah, they didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I basically celebrated like you celebrated.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Winning the Land on group stage day, and then they
didn't even make the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
So I think, I think I know which team you're
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
I don't even say it in the bad way. It's
just the best way possible because in my opinion, right,
I feel like we saw with each team would the finals. Right,
let's take a look at Noctum. Noctum did first Probableague.
They did great coming from CC, they went to Long,
they do top fifteen, first Land. They are very good players, right,

(01:21:11):
they were a very good team together. I feel like
a team is one of the best ils in the region.
In my opinion, But then you have other players who
do so good online and then they do three, four times,
five times top forty to thirty. There is something going on,
you know. I don't know what it is, and plus
I don't really care, but there's something definitely going on

(01:21:32):
that It's not possible because we can take example, as
any other vision, top one, top two in the region
always makes great that long in every other vision, so
it should not change to EU, right, and the U
is not a bad vision. We are very good.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
I feel like, Yeah, it doesn't even have to be
like hacking in game or something like that. It could
just be like having extra information on the side that
you don't have when you have one monitor. I don't know,
it could be something as simple all the sad right,
yeah what it is. But yeah, but like you know,
like why I said, though you guys have made like
finals consistently, it's been pretty cool to see. I thought.

(01:22:08):
At the same time, though, something is pretty funny that
I talked to you Soka about, and also want to
get your opinion on EWC. In that thirteen game final,
you guys finally in the last game were like in
that top five and we're the team that had the
chance to continue it on We're Were you guys wanting
that tournament to continue, or were since you guys were

(01:22:29):
because that tournament before you were at the bottom of
that leaderboard, were you just kind of like, Ah, We're
done with this, Like let's just let it go. We're
thirteen games and seven hours deep of this tournament at
this point.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
I be honest, for a second, I was like, oh, yeah,
maybe you can do it. But then watching the vote back,
watching the way effect swing and one click one clip
two of us, I was like, yeah, guys, would not
happen all. Literally I remember literally swing and one click
J kills me seventy flash and I was like, well,

(01:23:02):
we just.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Die that effect one clippers. Guys, he's literally he has
the havoc and he's be hopping on control. Remember this,
He's be hopping while like spraying full spraying, moving full
speed on an age the bullet. He literally doesn't miss
a single.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
One click on here, he transferred to me, he didn't
miss a bullet he kills us.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
That Yeah, it was crazy, Yeah, but I was I
always thought that because I was like, I wonder, like
what the mindset is when you're thirteen games D. But
like the funny thing is, if you guys won that game,
you probably would have got up to a batch point, right,
like you had about like thirty four points, so who knows,
like you know, I guess it was sixty there, but
he would have got really close, and then we would
have just had like sixteen teams on match point going

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into the game.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Fourteen wouldn't I think we bring the front for another game,
but I felt like that one we never match really
with a metal, so we were not playing that good, right.
I think we made finals. We played well groups, but
also the the what kind of helped as a bit right,
and the metal was just not our meta, to be honest.

(01:24:06):
We had a very rough finals. We didn't even play
the game, to be honest. We did thirty points in
thirteen games. That was very embarrassing, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
I think EWC was one of the weirdest metas that
we've ever seen n APEX, Like, honestly, fuse was being
used as a scanning character right, like that was just
I don't know, I think it was, Yeah, it was
just a weird, Like I don't even know if it
was that entertaining. I can't say I guess it was aggressive,
so it was kind of fun, but like, I just
never was able to make full sense of THATWC meta.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Yeah, I don't know me personally, the metal was not
like the best. But obviously I think it's good for
the game to have all these different metas and stuff,
because if it was always the same would be bodding.
But I really didn't like it. But yeah, it was fine.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
I think I know you wanted it, But were you
a fan of the double support meta or do you
think that like you, even though you won, you didn't
weren't too happy with that metal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
I was one hundred percent fun of the support metal
because I'm a Gibbie man myself right since day one,
so having GBPK m m K, what could I ask more? Right, Obviously,
I feel like even though we won, I even said,
it's one time or two think in other interview I said,
I think the support meta is not good, Like in

(01:25:27):
the case of it was kind of boring to even
play because if every time you do a fight, you
castle just comes in grabs and then you're just doing
infinite fights and it's just so weird. I really didn't.
I mean, I liked it obviously also because I won,
I really liked it, but I think there's there is

(01:25:49):
way better matters. I think this with this bund as
soon as people learn and we all learn not to
play with the bands, I think would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
This system then you So I don't want to talk
about the band system a little bit too, because I've
been watching and paying attention to na Scrims a little
bit to see how it's all kind of shaking out
and how it's going to go moving forward. And I
guess with how I've been seeing it shake out, it
usually follows the same pattern where I think it goes
ash first, then you get Bang Newcastle Gibbie like it

(01:26:20):
kind of follows that same pattern. And so in a
weird way, even though the meta is technically not set
every single time with the same three characters, there is
still sort of a meta kind of generating and showing
itself as it goes through. Obviously, when the games get
later and later into the rounds and if we have
like another thirteen game match point final, that's going to

(01:26:42):
be a little bit wild.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
But from your perspective, do you like this change?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Do you see this being positive for the future of
apex comp and where are you kind of standing with
it at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
I think it's positive the bonds. I think it's a
very good improvement. It's kind of the same with the
POI draft implemented it. I really liked it. I always
like things that change the game and improve the game
in a competitive side. And I think for viewers will
be fun as well. They want to be the as
some people said, the bodying always the same, met the

(01:27:14):
same characters. I think it would be fun. And then
we will also see players playing different characters. You will
see teams doing better with some comps doing work with others.
So I think the next one will definitely be interesting
to watch in my opinion, because it's going to be
I think it's going to be random. Obviously it's going
to end up, that's my guess.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
We get Game thirteen advantage being banned.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
We have we have vantage Mirage Crypto crypt would have
got banned already. Ye vantage Mirage and uh the Revenant
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
There you go. I like that. I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Now. The other question I have from all this too
is how important it's going to be having a good
animal listen to good coach moving forward. You spoke earlier
about how important it was to have the coach on
your side before Champs going into Sapporo, and I think
adding a whole new layer, not only with the legend
band system, but with another map that they're throwing in
with Broken Moon. I mean, how much more important is

(01:28:16):
it going to be for an igl and a coach
and an analyst to kind of all be on the
same page And what are you expecting more from that side?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Going into year five?

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
I think would be way more important. I think will
be way more work to do right because it will
be another mop, another map that we need to study,
rotations of other teams, see how people play. Also with
the meta changes, we need to study way more so.
I think the good coach or a good ND at
least not even both. Some teams have both. I think

(01:28:49):
will be very important coming into the into any team
in Apex right now. It's the most important thing. I
feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
For a long time, it seemed like in Apex not
a lot of teams are running coaches. Now it seems
like most teams are running coaches, and if you're not,
you're kind of in a way throwing a little bit.
I think the coach as we move forward, is going
to start becoming like that pivotal role same as an IGL.
Do you kind of agree or do you think that
there's still players out there who can kind of carry
the load on their own with just their own you know,

(01:29:21):
in game sense and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
I feel like it depends a lot. But in my opinion,
I think I have a coach. I really like the
fact that we have a different opinion from an outside person.
Sometimes it makes us see something we are not seeing
while we are playing, especially at Lund when there is
no vote right in at home, we dial show and
we show each other. Right Atland, we don't have that,

(01:29:45):
So the coach saves some discussions and also can point
something out that we did wrong in the moment that
he was watching from the teammate POV or from my
POV that I didn't see. So I think coach will
definitely take importance hole moving forward, the netflix even more
important obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Yeah, no, I think so as well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
And I think even earlier when we started this show,
coaches were really not a thing for too many teams,
and I'm kind of liking seeing this change move forward
as the sport begins to evolve, and we already talked
about the Legend band system. We talked about the POI draft,
We talked about all of the new things that are
changing going into year five. I guess the one last

(01:30:31):
thing I'm kind of wondering about is Broken Moon itself,
because I haven't heard too many positive things, but maybe
i'll hear my first one from you. How do you
feel about Broken Moon as it currently stands? Jumping into
the map rotation.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
I feel like Broken Moon I played that, we played
it at TWC right. I feel like if you're a
zone team, it's good because the zones are kind of okay.
I say, the pattern is kind of obvious to know
where the zone's going to pull. So I think you're
a fast If you're a fast hotel team, it's kind
of enjoyable because you just get everyone running into you.

(01:31:07):
I think as an edge team there's a lot of
three people potential because of the zip lines and almost
every eva can go above every mountain. Some people is
running Volcary because as an edge team is hard because
there's too many chokes, right, So if you're not running Volcary,
you will have a hard time playing Edge. But then
comes the funny part once vulkis band and we have

(01:31:30):
to play Broken one. If it's reached in the same
timing right, it would be an issue. So yeah, it's
basically that. As a zone team, I think it's fun.
As an edge team, I don't think it is because
in need of applet zone I had fun, I had
twice and games, so you cannot complain. Try to play
age on screams. It's kind of hard because you do

(01:31:50):
a fight to get that party or you get held
in the chokes, so it's it's basically dough.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
I didn't even consider how much legend bands can also
affect maps like like the like like if you start
off with Broken Moon versus if you start off with
World's Edge, how could like flip that around? Like I
never thought about that. I also find it interesting you
say like edge team, Like I do know what you mean, Like, yeah,
the chokes and everything like that for edge teams makes
it way harder. But I also feel like the poys

(01:32:15):
that would be more of like a zone POI just
suck Unbroken. I think all the boys in the middle
with the maybe the I guess Terror former would be
considered one just suck. Like I don't know only the Yeah,
edgebois are pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
Basically, the middle pois are way too big to be
considered zone. Right. I feel like what people need to
do in Broken Moon is skip loot in my opinion,
So yeah, get a decent POI and skip loot and
get pos where you can have quick access to the
zip lines. And I think it should be fine to
rotate right we at the moment, we tried Utmost and

(01:32:48):
Cultivation and it was not bad because Utmost you don't
have anyone around, so you can rotate each side, and
Cultivation you have a zip line right on your side
you have to you can go into the middle parties.
I don't remember the name or the right side zip
so it's it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Cultivation was the one that I was thinking of that
would be pretty good because it's like cultivations on the
south side of the map, right.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
Yeah, cultivais is like on the borderm close to Utmost
on the left of it on the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Yeah, I see it there, and I feel like that's
one that like maybe a ton of teams aren't or
like I might be sleeping on right now. I know
a lot more people go for things like divide obviously
quarantine zones like the number one POI that they're gonna
go after, because we've talked about that several times on
this podcast that I can't even believe that's just considered
one POY.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
But yeah, nonetheless, yeah, crazy crazy. Well, so outside of APEX,
do you have any other like sports esports that you
enjoy watching and kind of participating in.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
I basically just watch esports. I don't watch sports as much.
Sometimes football when like the national team plays Portugal, and
that's basically and then I just watched sports. I like
to watch Frambo six sometimes see US basically contrastruct that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
So obviously Messi is the number one player in the world.
Who's number two?

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
I don't know. I think that is two number ones,
Messi and Ronaldo, and I think I think number two.
I mean, I'm not a fan of football, so I
really don't know number Okay, because I saw him playing
on the World Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Here you Yeah, I just I just saw that, you know, Portugal,
I'm thinking Ronaldo fan.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
I just had to throw that out, Yeah, which I
want to see if I could a little bit. Great
interview one of.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
The for the d I got one of the few
people from Portugal who's like not that big of a
fan of football.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
I got the one guy real.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
Question that we have to ask right now. And I
feel like I know your answer is at land, when
you're on stage, top bunk or bottom bunk, what are
you taking?

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
I feel like bottom is not that bove, but the
top you feel like I feel like bottom. You're like
more seems like you're playing at home because in that stadium,
the bottom was like this, and where people were standing
was like a hier right, so we couldn't really see
anyone apart from the thing. If you're playing at top,

(01:35:17):
you can see the crowd. So if you're like a
type of distracted people, maybe sometimes you take a peek
and you see many people. But I really liked Bottom more,
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Yeah, from there, and you also want from it. That's
that's a sense. That would be a big reason why
I would like it as well. Can you when when
the final game was happening, could you hear anything at all?
I know they try their best to make it where
you can't hear too much, but could you hear any
of the crowd?

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
No? And and that's why on game seven. I went
crazy as well. When we stopped Alliance and Falcons from winning.
I went crazy because you don't hear anything. The noise
is so loud that they put on the adsets. Plus
we have the earbots, these yearbots. We don't hear anything.
So when I took it, everyone obviously was celebrating because
I think Fanatic cut match points, so everyone was screaming,

(01:36:06):
and I was like, oh my god, it's going crazy
because it was so loved. When I took that sets off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
We were jumping for that one too. We were pretty
excited because and it was just a crazy upset Like
Alliance in that game, they had no business being in
the top two, and then they were somehow there and
were like what or no, I'm thinking of the wrong game,
Like the they they actually made some good place to
get the top two in the game that you guys won.
The game before that, they had no business being there

(01:36:32):
and they somehow managed to get into top two. Both
those games are crazy, but yeah, and the crowd is
going wild.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Well I'm I'm just about good e. You want to
hit you want to hit them with it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I got it all right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
So the question that we ask everybody who's on the pod,
because everybody who's on the pod is performing in the
top one percent of the field that they're pursuing, and
you certainly fit the bill for that. What is one
thing that you've learned on your journey to get to
where you're at that somebody, regardless of the field that
they're pursuing, can apply and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Help enable them to achieve that goal.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
I think in APEX specific for me, it's understand people
and see how you can work with people. I feel
like if you understand your teammates and sometimes don't do
it only as a business. I'm a guy who's to
play with someone, they need to be my friends as well,
so I try to understand them. I tell them when

(01:37:29):
I think they're wrong and stuff. So I think if
you if you manage to put friendship and the job
site together, I think that's the best thing because you
will have fun because you're playing with your friends. Plus
you will have fun because you're doing what you like.
So if you're passionate and you can put both together,
for me, it's what I like the most. Because Stevens

(01:37:52):
is my friend. I know him for four years and
look sucker. I play with him four five. So when
I put both of them together, it's great. And and
I met Sid on the bit towether we even took
lications after a lan So I think now we are
just all very good friends. At least for me, they're
very good friends. And yeah, I think that that's the
best for me. I'm playing with my friends and having fun.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
It's beautiful, it's perfect, it's great, and we love to
hear it. And we really appreciate you hopping on and
giving your side of the story of how Sapporo went down.
Once again, congratulations on the victory. It was awesome to watch,
it was awesome to witness. And usually I end out
every interview by saying, hopefully next time we see you,
you're lifting the trophy. You've already got one. We got
to add a second one of that trophy case. We

(01:38:35):
got to get We gotta get number two. That's what
we're looking for the best. There you go, there you go.
Once again, Thank you, Hiarka, thanks for hopping on the show.
We appreciate you man, Thank you guys, Thank you so much.
All Right, ladies and gents, that was Hierarcha. Once again,
shout out to Hiarca for hopping on the show. It
was a pleasure having him on. It was a great

(01:38:55):
time having a Hierarcha on the show. When he called
out a specific player, that was a laugh out loud
moment because all of us were just staring at each
other because every everyone, everybody's staring at me, just seeing
what would actually was.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
I thought you guys were to stare at me because
I was the one who made similar.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
I thought I was locked.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
I will never forget why and the absolute just the
like first five minutes of the first quarter, just celebrating
the championship.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Yeah, yeah, I was hard. All I was doing was
staring at why, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
That's so funny. I almost I know we talked to
him a bit a little bit after, but I almost
wonder what Hierarca's reaction was, like why are these guys all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Yeah right now?

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
Why are they all giggling and just looking at each other,
because like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I was like trying to hide behind my mic
and not like not smile because I was just like
I know exactly what's going down. Yeah, shout out Hierarcha.
It was a great interview with him. Uh, let's do
the heart to heart jump.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
I got you now, Yeah, I got it heart to
hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
So you know what, I'll go with the friends we
made along the way, truly, I mean that, like honestly,
like uh, we've had I've a little bit like I
think we talk about this all the time because I
feel like it just all connects. But like recently, uh,
like I've as I work on videos, like sometimes I struggle,
just pop in the discord the boys are there, start

(01:40:26):
bouncing some ideas off, and like, honestly, for my two
videos that are upcoming, there's like certain parts where I
was like absolutely stuck. I didn't know what to do,
and then I get in the chord with the guys
and like they help me out, and I'm like, you know,
this is so cool, Like I've I never knew I
was gonna have like, uh like lezors of people to
go to that we could just nerd out and talk

(01:40:48):
about YouTube and figure out how do we make this
video as best as possible? And like that's all I've
ever wanted. So it's pretty cool. I appreciate all the
friends we've made along the way with uh, with this
journey so far, and that's why I knew Orleans. I'm
gonna try to be out. They're uh tenfold because like
I at first, I was like, I probably won't go
to this one, but then I heard everyone's going, and
I was like, well, now I can't fucking miss it.

(01:41:09):
Now I have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Well, it's in na Land. We gotta go, Yeah, we
gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
It's the flights are funny enough. The flights for me
were No. I guess Japan would have been cheaper, but
the flights for me were cheaper to go to la
which is crazy like that, they're pretty expensive to go
to New Orleans. For me, I'm gonna drive to Buffalo
and fly out of there. It's cheaper.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Yeah, you might as well. Now ours are Ours? Aren't
too crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
You're like you're from a freaking thing. Like you're not
a long flight actually not a long flight for me,
because I'm flying from Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
I was gonna say, I feel like you're closer.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
It's just because I fly from Canada. No, I'm not closer,
but it's because I fight from Canada, Oh, Okay to
New Orleans. So it's like that's at west. I'm east.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
No, New Orleans is sound, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Like cent it's south, but it's like Central. Still, I
guess maybe, like if you're how north are you in?
I don't know how North Fresno is of like California
to be here, to be fair.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Yeah, but Bason like so, but I'm thinking because you
guys are in the same time zone.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Though, no we're not. No, no, no, it's Central.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
It's Central time. I thought it was okay, never mind,
I thought it was the same time zone. That's what
somebody told me earlier today. No, I did not look
it up. I just did not look it up at all.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
But to New Orleans, Well, it doesn't help that everything
has a connecting. I guess let's go La, even though
I know that's far from you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
It's like three hours.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe it's about the same.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Yeah. Interesting, I definitely thought it was closer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
But whatever. Yeah, I like that. I like that the
friends we've made along the way. My heart's heart this week.
It's not even really a heart to heart. I just
every single time a land comes, my truck just blows up.
Every single time it happens. Every time there's like, oh, yeah,
are you going to this land? Yeah, for sure, I've

(01:42:57):
already bought the tickets. And then my truck just blows
up and then I got to take it to a
shop and it's it's there now, and so I'm just hoping.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
I haven't heard back yet. I'm hoping it's not too crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
I don't think anything would be that nuts to where
I couldn't go though, fingers crossed, knocking on wood. But yeah,
every single time I'm gonna ride, I'm gonna drive this
truck till it is absolutely just demollig. I mean, the
amount of times that I've been late for a show
for truck related problems has been insane throughout the show's history.

(01:43:30):
It's it's actually impressive at this point. So shout out
to my truck. I've been going strong with it for
like six seven years now, and we're gonna keep it going.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
We're gonna keep it going.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
That's my heart to heart this week is every single
time a land gets announced, I better just be ready
for a check engine like to pop up, because that's
that's what I'm on right now. That's the that is
the process that has happened every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I'm blessed to have a truck.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Shout out to have a vehicle that moves sometimes because
I could have a vehicle that moves no times or
not have a vehicle whatsoever. So shout out to my
truck for being a trooper and uh hopefully I get
her back soon.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
That's my heart's heart this week. Uh, Enoch, you want
to round it out? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Before I round it out, though, I'm gonna include a
team that I that I forgot to mention, uh, that
we're gonna be like in terms of like keeping an
eye out for land and that is going to be
team nice guys.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
And that is a team that is comprised of a
team that does not scrim at all and is triple mmk.
So they have a whole lot going against them. But
you got Sag the number one ballistic player, Cody, I
think one of the more mechanically gifted players like he
for some reason, people talk shit about Cody and like

(01:44:49):
his his comp like experience, like that man is a baller,
Like that man is actually just And then you have
r k in as the I g L And so
you got to like mechanically like gifted studs and then
like I mean, like not to talk shit about r
k M, but like he's just not on Cody and

(01:45:10):
same level. But I mean, he puts him in the
right spots, right, and so it's gonna be it's gonna
be a fun team to see.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
How they do.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
And I think that if you're looking for like an
underdog story, you got you got one right there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Cody the first time ever? Was he your first seconds?

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Repeat?

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Yeah, the firstep, our first three p Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
If if we like, if we're like, oh shoot, we
don't have anybody, Cody, it's like, you know who you call,
and now we have a reason to bring him on
for the fourth time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
Jayhawk became your like guy we need to call when
we go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I don't consider I don't consider him a guest, like.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
He's just he's the unofficial, unofficial fourth man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Yeah, sixth man of the year. Yeah, shout out Cody.
I'm so glad he's back because I remember Bro, like
we you wasn't he a complexity for a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Yeah, he was a complexity for a bit with.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Him, Cody originated with Monsoon and Luda and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Then yeah, because he also played with Luda under a
I want to land they won that four game saying
that four game final, regional final.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
And then yeah, that's gonna be a fun team. To watch, yeah,
or is that your heart to heart?

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
That was?

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
That was we were talking about like all like the
big name, big name guys, and I forgot to throw
throw the underdog story out there, But for my heart's heart,
I am gonna go with I really, like I looked
up there's like twitch apex tracker, and for a little
bit I was convinced that I had the number one

(01:47:15):
hours streamed for Twitch with thirteen thousand, three hundred probably
like two like three hundred and like sixty probably and
I think like two hundred dish or probably of like
me being offline and just having like a vit up
while I'm sleeping or like doing some other stuff like
going to the gymmer spend time with family. But a

(01:47:36):
prize has fifteen thousand, five hundred, which is like mind
blowing to me that he has two thousand more than
me with how much time that I've put in over
the like the last five years, which is like props
to him, that's insane. But when I was just like
thirteen thousand hours is like that's a lot of time.
And when I like first was getting into this, I

(01:47:56):
took the approach of like, oh, if I'm gonna, like
I'm doing my best become a full time streamer. We'll
put in the work and I'm gonna be like a
full time streamer. So like from the get go, I
was ripping like twelve hours a day, and so obviously
there are probably like better ways that I could have
spent my time in terms of like growth and everything

(01:48:16):
than putting as much hours I did on live. But
like looking back, like I've always been much more of
like a live interaction. Like I think of it as
like my job is to get on and do my
best to have a positive impact on people, and and
I feel like that's a lot easier to do in
a like a live setting. And it's been it's been

(01:48:39):
a cool journey, Like thirteen thousand hours. I started doing
this when I was like just graduating from school, and
now I'm like married and I have a son, and
I get on and I get to play video games
as a as a large part of like what I do,
and I can just get interact people every day, and

(01:49:01):
so and like that thirteen thousand hours, Like obviously, like
there's a lot of things and a lot of stuff
that I potentially you could consider like I missed out
on because like it's a lot of hours to put
into something, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Like I get to do what I like, you got to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Do what I do every day, and I have like
an amazing life that I've built. I'm just incredibly thankful
that I found something that I enjoyed doing enough that
I could put thirteen thousand hours into something. True, thirteen
thousand hours of doing like one thing is probably more

(01:49:39):
than the majority of people out Like that's like playing
an instrument as like a professional for like a lot
of years to get like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
A many hours. Yeah, And so it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
That is true, And if you haven't felt out of
love with it at this point, it's pretty sick that
you were able to find something. Like It's actually funny
because like before like I ever hopped on the show,
like we hadn't like really or anything like that. And
I remember I was actually trying to like start like
my social journey on TikTok, and I had known like
of you, like through streaming. I'd seen like some of

(01:50:11):
the other guys, like I was a big fan of
nice Wag. I knew you streamed and played with the
nice weeg all the time back in the day. But
when I started doing the tiktoks. Your TikTok was farming, dude,
it was like is popping off.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
I remember there was a golden now there was like
a golden era of my TikTok.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
It felt like there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
It's been a while since we've been in that golden era,
but man, that golden era it was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
It was a time.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
It felt like there was a period of time where
it's like if you were doing apex TikTok, everyone's like, well,
it's gotta be like ease, Like you gotta like try
to get your TikTok to be like Enox or something
like that. Yeah, that's what I remember that, And because
like I was doing it, I was like, well, okay,
let me study what's Enoch doing. And I don't know,
I always think about this one one you posted, which
like and to you, I don't even remember it, but
you're like doing like a watch party, and I just

(01:50:51):
remember like the top comment. I don't know why this
always stuck out. Someone's like, why are we screaming? And
like you were doing a watch party. Though like some
hype thing happened in like thermal stations you were I
didn't hype for it, so it was like why are
we screaming? And I can't remember your proment with something
a lot because that's the passion, Like why not? I
don't know. So, yeah, those are some things I remember
about if you could even think I was one of
the viewers, I was one of the viewers.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Yeah, it was cool. It was.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
It was always cool too, because I remember when we
first started doing the show. That's how I kind of
like had been introduced to what Enoch was doing as well,
and it was always like a video where some guy
was just trying to be negative and then he would
just respond and just be positive, and it was just
I was like, this guy is getting views doing the
opposite of what people try to do on social media.

(01:51:36):
And that was the part that I always took away
from it. Is like a lot of times people try
to get views and clicks by just being negative on
something or just being an asshole, and it was like
you were doing the opposite, like somebody's trying to be
an asshole, and you were just like, you don't have
to be an asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
As that was the part that I always took away
from it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
So you know, you never really you don't really know
people at first, But you truly are one of the
the the positivity people out there that like truthfully brings
people to that because there's been some times throughout this
show's history where like I wanted to be negative, but
you were just like why are you doing this? And
it's it's helped out. So you've helped out in a
very good way. And to put thirteen hours into it,

(01:52:12):
and you know you had your slip shower were thirteen
thousand sorry, where you've had your hours where you're like, yeah,
I had a bad week. You know I did this,
you know I lost it this time. But for the
most part, you've kept it pretty on par with what
you're trying to strive for, So that's always good for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, it's been a good journey and I genuinely feel
like I'm not just getting started. Yeah, but in terms
of like like I don't know if like I'll always
be like doing APEX, but as like in terms of
like creating content, it's something that I will be doing
for like the rest of my life without question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Oh yeah, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, ladies and gents,
that should just about do it. For this week's episode
of the Apex the podcast once again shout out to
Hierarcha for hopping on the show and giving us that
great interview. Ladies and gents, we got just a few
more weeks before we head on into the open. It's
gonna be a great time. Like I said, if you
guys are heading out there, don't forget to say what's

(01:53:11):
up if you see us out there, It'll be a
great time. Super excited for it. We got a few
more weeks before we get into it. We're gonna try
to break it down with some more analysis and teams,
all the other stuff. We do want to go through
some other regions as well, so we're gonna go through
some regions. Maybe bring on Donnie because he's been watching
every single Donnie watches every single second.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Yeah, he's working on a crazy fucking documentary. He's gonna
be Donnie spinking something about all one hundred and sixty teams.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Yep, Yep, that's Donnie. I do that, that's Donnie Wild. Yeah,
he's doing all of it. So we're gonna bring him
on talk a little bit about some of these other
teams as well. But until then, we will catch you
guys next time for another episode.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
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