Episode 124: The CEO ImperialHal Talks Open Win + The Open Analysis & Stories

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to another edition of the Apex the Podcast.
Ladies and Gentlemen, The boys have made it home safely
from New Orleans. The tournament is up, the Open is
in the books, and there's a ton to get to here.
We've got a lot of talk about here, obviously, the
tournament itself, the format, all the different teams, the surprises,

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some of the bus all of that, and then just
us meeting up together, having a fun time out there
in New Orleans, meeting some of the listeners. Awesome stuff
all the way around. But first, boys, I feel like
we got to kick it off. Falcons, the super team
has finally fulfilled the prophecy. Falcons are your champions for
the ALGs Open. It was a hell of a run

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and it looked like for a second there that it
was about to be catastrophic, but they found a way
to fight back.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Falcons are your winners. How is your MVP?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
And I think a lot of people, maybe when Falcons
had first formed, would think that this was gonna be
a regular occurrence. There was a lot of trials and
tribulations with this Falcons squad, even leading up to this
specific event. There was a lot of things that were
going on. But Falcons were finally able to hoist the trophy, which,
by the way, that new trophy badass. I love that

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concept where all three can hold it up. Really wish
Phony would have had that opportunity back a few splits ago.
But Falcons are your champions.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I actually heard that they consort of shore people and
that's why the trophy appreciate them.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I really appreciate them for that. Shout out to them
for that. But ladies and gents, that those are your winners.
Falcons are the champions. Jump all throw it on down
to you first, Like what was impressive from your perspective
with this win? And would you like most from from
their win here?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
What was impressive? What I like most? I think the
thing is is that like it was just like pure
and utter domination from Alliance and then Falcons, Like that's
all the lobby was. It was six games, and like
it was domination in somewhat of the most boring fashion,
Like they just ran their lobbies like like I they
things just worked. So like, yeah, I can't say much

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was impressive because it's like these are two teams we
knew were really good and oh shit, they showed up
and they were really good, and like, I think that
the style. I think the open overall was amazing for
showing off that like lower skill talent that there was
maybe that that unknown talent. But I think because of that,
the Finals lobby was lower quality, which allowed those two
teams to farm, and that last game was kind of free,

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as Zero said like seven times himself.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So yeah, yeah, By the way, I just have to say,
like championship celebrations might be dead because that was the
worst celebration of all time. Listen, I loved the win.
Congress celebration, terrible celebration.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I thought. The thing is, I was so surprised by
Zero just doing that. I was like, oh, did he
literally just like know that that was such a win that,
like I was curious about what his coms are gonna be.
Was You're like, oh my god, we're gonna we fucking won,
and then like he just like hits the But then
the funny thing is is he actually is like in
his colms, squealing the way he does like like with
his his when his voice gets all high pitched. It

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was so like I like, I was I first second
thought it was Waltzy. I don't think Walsey would ever
squeal like that though. No. Yeah, for a second I
thought it was Waltzy because I was like, there's no
way you're screaming like that and then just.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Go yeah, so yeah, yeah. I feel like when you're
like locked in. Uh, I was just gonna say I was.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Gonna no, Like again, I'm not talking like he was
streaming calms. He was like brace your ears everyone, I
will try to do my best expression. But he's just
like he was about to win as they were killing
the last guy.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean, I feel like the way that you're like
in the moment obviously, like like when a journal is
on the line because like they don't know whether or
not they're actually gonna be able to win that game
and bring it home, and like there there's a moment
we're on that right part of where Zero and how
are like both like they live with like basically both
one shot, but they're both making back through the portal,
so like that very easily could have ended up not

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being the win, but like once they have it and
they're just like walking out, it's like the classic like
zero confidence of everybody else fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Everybody should have known that we were gonna win this.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's just if you watch when he wins games, even
when they won game five, he's the type of guy
to jump up and pop off. Yeah, and I just
found it wanting to go from screaming like that to
not even getting out of his chair. But like that
actually might be and we'll get into this might be
because they went on their whole losers run thirty six
games in two days. They actually might have just been
out of energy.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
He might could have been right, that could have been it.
Maybe it's actually maybe this celebration is actually cold, low key.
We'll have to get to it.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
That is that there is two ways of looking at it,
like just kind of like kidding, a kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I wanted to throw it on down to E because
this was the first time you were actually at a
land event in person, and at one point I remember
you looking over at me. You're like, yeah, this is sick,
Like this is sick from your perspective watching the Falcons
win and just being in the environment with the crowd
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
How'd you feel seeing that final moment?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Dude, I mean, match point finals is without a doubt,
Like I haven't been to any other like video game
event tournament type deal. But I just can't imagine that
anything hits like a match point finals, because like when
you're watching it at home, you're like, oh, man, like
this is great, like more games, more fun. But when
you're like, I traveled all the way out here, I

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want to see I want to see some Apex legends.
Alliance better not bring it home, and for you are
the biggest alliance, Like I like allions. I think Aki's
a great guy, like Unlucky Sturdy Effect Apparently I fun
fact when I met effected and I like hung out
like and got it like like see him in person.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Apparently I was the first person he played with on PC.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Hmm, which shit, I mean yeah, which I mean that
was like something that was super cool for me. But dude,
I wanted them to lose so badly in Games four five,
Like I just I be cause I didn't want it
to end. And then obviously, like at some point you're like, okay,
like when when more teams get to match point, you're like, okay,
I wouldn't I wouldn't mind an alliance w here. Yeah,

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it's just but you want the show to go on
and that it just like I thought that matchpoint finals
was great watching it from home every time, but seeing
it in person is just a completely different like ball game.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And I don't want to end it a little bit early.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, yeah, because in all the other lands we've had,
it's gone way deeper. And I specifically remember La where
Dark Zero dies on that hill on World's Edge and
the pop off inside that arena. Like I said, like
it sounded like I was in an actual like NFL
NHL arena during the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well, usually usually when that one team is like on
match point, you see that first guy go down, you
just hear like and then like everyone do you see
the second knock and like the third knock happens, everybody
freaks the fuck out, like yeah, like it's crazy. But
we didn't get that this time, Like it only happened
like once. It was crazy.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
I do remember real quick, Jubba, when that zone poll
to where Falcons was at. You look, you just like
started looking around like boys, they have the godspot.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
This is bad. This is really bad.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I actually didn't say this is bad. I looked at
all you guys, I'm like, oh, okay, it's done. Yeah, we
looked at each other, We're like, yeah, this is done.
Like this is like I've never looked at a game
and been so confident like it's ending here. Like I
wasn't there for that Energy game and everything like that
in Birmingham because I think a lot of the people
thought the same thing when they saw the zone poll
and what Optic could have had, Cause that's the I'm

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trying to think of any other ones where it's like
that team clearly got is gonna have godspot. But this
is one where I looked at it. I was like,
And the funny thing is I didn't say it was
done for Alliance. Everyone was like, oh, I'm like Alliance
historically when they play Skyhook and get sky Hook zones,
they don't play good. I'm like, it's done because look,
Falcons has already taking that spot. But like I was
just gonna say, like you're talking about match point like

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upsets and like us singing in person, I don't know
how you're not referring to literally Japan and the two
games Alliance lost back to back with Unlucky being a solo.
Those were the craziest ones for us where the crowd
went berserk. I like, I don't think anything will match,
especially the first one because I think it was the
first one, and then fanatic it's match point and that
crowd going insane and we were jumping up and down

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and I I was not telling anyone, but I want
a Falcons or not Falcons. I want an Alliance to
win the Japan tournament. I was trying to keep it
low key. No Jinx is there coming from me. That
was the team was pulling for. And I'm up there
jumping as they just lost on match point, you know,
in a three B three, I'm freaking out.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
On the second one, I legit jumped out, and the second.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
One I actually thought they won. The second one, I
thought they won, So I was at first I started
jumping because like, fucking a Lion just won this, and
then I was then I could do more apex.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, no, it was that's the only sucky thing.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And I felt bad because like Enoch was there and
I was like, we did get two moments where we
got to see the Lions die, and it was it
was exciting because you're like, yay, more Apex, but we
should I wish we would have had a little bit more.
I'm just very thankful didn't end on game four because
there was a chance there I thought it was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So, yeah, dude, I thought.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
There was a decent chance it was in on game
four and I was like, there ain't no way. I
just drove seven and a half hours through the night
for a Lions to win in four and and so
like being a like and then when like as jumpo,
like when you see like when they put up on
the screen like the map and like the the next
zone and you just see Falcons already back there, You're

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just like, well they won, and I and I looked
over to why and I was like, I was like, honestly,
I wouldn't even be that upset of Falcons.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Won right here.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, And because it's like there they were due right,
like it was only a matter of time. And so
to be able to say, like, oh, my first Land
was like the first time I showed up was when
they finally were able to like bring it home.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
It was cool.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, And I loved it for Waltz, like him getting
his first land. They don't really I think show Yeah,
I guess you do see it on the broadcast when
he does this interview, but It's pretty cool the whole
crowd sheering for him when he had his moment. I
was annoyed that, like they so right before the trophy lift,
we all screamed to zero and he like looks over
at us, and they not only cut away from it

(10:32):
in that moment, they actually cut the crowd audio so
like you can't hear us, like, which is bullshit. Yeah,
I don't want to hear us on the broadcast, like
I'm Matt Vain. Yes, no, it was.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
It was great all the way around.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Now, even though it did pull back to them, there
still was a chance in that final game where it
looked like things might not go Falcons way. I'm gonna
throw up the clip right now so everybody can go
relive that final fight and see Falcons is winning their
first trophy together as a team.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Let me pop it in here right quick. No no no.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
No, no, no, no, they're just deep enough. I have another I
just don't right side.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I don't know yourselves.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Plug in seven. We can't crow flight though. Let me
say that nobody.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
There was one guy just shut off thart it. I'm
telling Falcons now have to make the move elsewhere. It
seems that the lobby is taking care of each other.
Twisted Minds are taken out bob Over. They stayed healthy enough.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
As we are down to three falcons, the only team
here who can win it.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
All County are taking a look at Falcons and traping Flame.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
We'll back zero back into that bottle, sending them back
to the hardy hold up north. Twisted Minds, they're getting
votes strafing Flame. It is on his back, but can
they get the rest? Imperial how it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Get through that pool? He avoids defense as well.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
A frisky play.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
He has to go back to the pole with just
about man of chick. He's trying to encour wh is
the fight.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
He wants Twisted Minds to force it onto Alcadzia so
then there will be a simple third party for them.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Is this genius from.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
Imperial Howard Falcons?

Speaker 8 (12:08):
It doesn't look like Twisted Minds are taking the bait.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
Twisted Minds are sitting south.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
If they've been paying.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Attention to the kill feed, they will know full well
falcons are still alive here.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
Falcons walking is very very difficult. Twisted Minds have the
height of that building. Remember to the right hand side
of the pov we see from wantsea, So walking out
from this bridge is going to be so tough. The
smokes from zero and how they are placed could be
influential as to if Falcons could win this.

Speaker 8 (12:35):
Game worth though he twisted minds have Falcadzia. They've moved
towards them.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
They're buying each other.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
That the door, it's open.

Speaker 8 (12:44):
Enemies trying to hold off to twist it from Falcons.
Players down on either side, Falcons up on.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
The high ground.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
Is this the moment that this squad was put together?
Four zero no bango downs on the slide. Falcons just
throw micing shull that pipe shit mic and Scholl they thought.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Make any even stikes.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
How broad at l how cuts it down? Falcons rising
Fucon shot pans for the most inside Elimina ship Procket bron.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
I ain't seen games through the Ilimini shop.

Speaker 8 (13:24):
Brocket Falcons making buck How will be crowned?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
You aogs open chip?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:29):
No it was.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
It was a hell of a run for Falcons. Obviously
they go through losers round. They played the most amount
of games that you could possibly play. I believe they
played forty eight games. The only other there was no
other team in the finals, lobby that played that many games,
they played forty eight. They ran through losers. They had basically,

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they had forty nine thousand more damage than the second
place team in total damage. They had one hundred and
fifty two thousand damage the second place team had. I think,
whatever the math works out, I'm not a math guy,
I'm not going to say it, but they had exponentially
more damage, exponentially more kills.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
How is absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
If you look at the kills and the statistics on there,
it's just overall incredible performance by Falcons. Really early on
people were saying, what's going to happen here? We don't
know if this is going to, you know, work out
their way. They were able to battle through it, and
there was some weird circumstances that you had to play
in in this specific land that we'll get to here
in a little bit, but crazy crazy from Falcons.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Congrats to them, they are the winners. Boys. Did you
have anything else on Falcons?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Don Did you have anything you wanted to add in
before we move on into the rest of the tournament.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Yeah, I mean, like you mentioned, they had a crazy
run through losers. I really only think there was like
maybe one of those rounds where they weren't like top
two or three, and most of the time they were
winning those those lobbies that they were in, which you know,
you expect a team to do that. But again, when
you get knocked to losers so early, you just never
know how a team's going to react on a certain day,
and obviously they reacted like the champions that they are.

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But yeah, I think the only other note is just
like Hal's just performance throughout this entire land. Like just
I mean, if anybody had any questions about who the
goat was coming into this, like, I don't think you
really have any questions anymore. I mean, the guy got
first and kills got twenty five more than second place,
which was his teammate zero, and then after that it's
like a forty kill gap to the third place and

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then even damage I think it's like fifteen thousand to
the next person, which is panic, and it just, yeah,
it just goes to show like when those guys are
locked in and they're putting on the performances that they can,
it's just there's no question that they're the three best
players in this game right now, and it's a yeah,
just overall an amazing performance to watch, and big shout

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out to how shout out the hell.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, big shout outs to the boys at Falcons, they
were your winners. Congratulations to Falcons, and we'll see what
happens as the future moves along here, as we move
into Pro League, rest of Pro League, and then furthermore
into Split number two Boys. There was a lot of
other things though, that took place at this tournament. The
ALGs opened. There was one hundred and sixty teams, thousands

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of lobbies, hundreds of different games, so many different things
to go through and talk about, and I kind of
just wanted to have like an open floor conversation about it.
And I think the best way to start is to
just talk about the overall tournament and so itself, because
I do think there were some really cool concepts, and
I think there's some concepts that if they decide to
do this again, could be improved upon so that in

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the future it's like a better overall viewing experience for
the people who are there and also for the people
at home. Because the one thing that stood out to
me that I really loved was the pit. Now, don
you spent a lot of damn time in the pit
team omit, oh shit, omit. That was Don Is coaching
that team, and they were in the pit for a
while there. Luckily right on the edge, so Don was

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able to kind of sit there and watch how the
team was playing. My biggest problem with the pit though,
was that there was no way for anybody watching in
that pit area to be able to see what was
going on in those games. Now, it's gonna be really
hard to do because obviously you can't have those people
in the pit also seeing what's happening in those games.
But I just wish from like as as somebody watching

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inside the arena, I wish I would could have known
other than just watching this guy's screen on the end
of the table, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So that that was like I loved the idea of
the pit.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It made it feel like old gaming, made it feel
like those grassroots days where you know, gaming tournaments were
literally just you're across from the guy you're fighting. You
see those crazy clips of them getting up and screaming
and yelling and stuff like that, and it was awesome
for that. I just didn't we just didn't really get
a chance to see what was fully happening there. And
then I also think on the other side of it,
people couldn't watch those lobbies at home, which is always

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going to be difficult.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, the way I would say it is like I
love the grassroots feel and like I love that they
wanted to have that sort of like throwback feeling to
like what it used to be. But I think that
like if they had a solution to like have people
watch those games, you still get that feeling, but then
you get the benefit of both sides, like we are
like esports has developed, so like there's no wrong with

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trying to get that grassroots feel, but like adding in
some of the quality of life things has developed with
you know, the new era of esports. I guess you
could say, uh, because yeah, it does suck, you know.
I And when I was at the tournament, I was
saying to people like, you know, there's at this point
more APEX than you could watch that ever before in
any other tournament, Like, so I feel like you shouldn't complain.

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But then at the same time, I was like, you know,
there's a lot of teams out here first time competing
on land. I know, if I was a competitor and
I was playing a lot in the pit, and I
couldn't see any of my footage. That would suck and
not get your moment on main stage, like you know,
you worked so hard you're there, that would suck. But again,
like you know, there's there's so many different ways because
you look at it, cause like without this format, you
don't get that opportunity in the first place. So you know,

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I thought there was a lot good that could be done. Honestly,
if they just brought out like one or two more
people that could like dedicated stream the people in the pit,
then your problem solved.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
You still may not get every POV, but you get
something to cover it. In venue, I think they needed
like also a scoreboard out there. It was kind of
a little bit frustrating that we had to go on
our phones, which sometimes didn't work too well in the
venue to like look up scores and stuff like that.
They just needed a TV with like scoreboards of what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
They had dedicated to the scoreboard like they have.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Them typically in like on the main stage they have
a screen is dedicated to the games going on. But
I'm talking like just for well, like for the pit
or something that scrolled like showing you like where every
team is like on the side, because like the only
way you could figure it out was with the ALGs website,
which was better but still had these problems. So then
I had to go to ALGs Statistics. Uh, and that's
where I was getting it all because that was updating

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way faster than or not faster, I just I should say,
more reliable than the website.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Was there anything else that you guys noticed, like in
venue or just overall with the aled, like the open format,
that that you really liked or wanted, you know, a
little bit of more improvement on.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean I think the big thing is like
we got to see a lot more you know, we
got to see a lot more different players competed a
land right, and I thought, ultimately is a great thing
to have. I mean, there was a ton of stories
that came out of this that people wouldn't have gotten
if they didn't open up the open up the teams
a little bit more. We obviously saw panic. I mean again,
everyone obviously had the accusations of what kind of player

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he was and if he cheats or this or that
or whatever, and I think he silenced basically anybody at
this point, just with how well he did, how well
he played, and I mean just even on a personal note,
just with like how many people were like oh shit,
like omits kind of like nuts, that's such just a
bunch of crackheads running around gilling people. But like it
was a great storyline. But like you said, then on

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the other side, it's like but you don't get to
see any of it, and so it's just it's unfortunate
on that aspect, But I do I really did enjoy
seeing a lot more talent. I did enjoy I personally
really enjoyed the double animation format. I think if they
do it again with this many teams, they need to
have a fifth day because I can tell you that
that Saturday watching Cody and them try to play, those

(21:18):
boys were gas. I mean, and like, yeah, it's playing
video games. Yeah you're not like standing up running around,
but like mentally having to be locked in for that
tier of Apex is you know, it takes I mean
a falcon's mentality really to like be able to get
through all that, and you know, I think, God, I'm
just gonna say.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I think those guys are gas too. Like it doesn't
even like like like like you, there's a couple of
things about it, right, Like and I remember from playing
Beal just you only played twelve games in a day
and it was fucking tiring. It was, like you because
especially if you're living throughout the whole game, like if
you're getting to end games often like teams who maybe
you were like Omit or Falcons who can run down

(21:57):
a lobby, you have to remember your playing for twenty
minutes straight, right, So it's like and like when you
do that eighteen games in a row, but you're full
locked in, it's tiring. I remember I was someone was
talking to you. It might have been one of the
guys from Alliance when they were talking to me about EWC.
And it's like when you're making a lot of endgames
and like even sometimes like maybe not like getting a

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lot of points, but there's just a lot of teams,
a lot of you're getting a lot of names. You're
exhausted thirteen games deep. So yeah, no, it's absolutely exhausting.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
I mean, dude, I was tired just standing by watching
them play, trying to be okay, how are things going?
Like and obviously that last sight when we didn't have
a pov of them because they weren't sitting to where
I could really watch, Like that was a awful experience
have to sit there and be like, well refreshed by
phone ten times or a website that doesn't want to
load because there's so many people trying to use it.
But yeah, I mean, I just couldn't even imagine how

(22:47):
tired those guys were. But like I said, I do
think there was a lot of positives, and if they
did decide to do it again, there's a lot of
elements that they could use and bring back again. I
just think that the things we've already talked about with
the povs, and I think added an extra day to
allow players a little bit more of a break. I

(23:08):
also just think too, like overall, it's just I guess
I just get back to how you're trying to talk
about all these different teams. You're trying to get all
these storylines out there, but like they don't really like
push it outside in the main stage. Like it's just
you don't get to see the omits, you don't get
to see you know, Orkid a lot. It's just there's

(23:30):
just so many things I think that went by that
if they restructure this even maybe set this up as
like a Preasys and invitational type aspect as well. I
just think that they could really hit a home run
with this in the future if they tried it again.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, because it did capture somewhat of its school, like
even with not having all that coverage. Like you said,
there's so many people Like I feel bad for Bo
and Himbino because they came to this event and Panic
is most likely getting poached. We know that we could
like throw giving you Dawn, Like let's be real, like
without the land, Like do you get like this coaching
opportunity with amit? Like probably not? Right? Like, so there's

(24:05):
that Tworkaholics was a cool story, like thirty sixth in
Challenger Circuit or something like that, make it all the
way to finals, even though they got twentieth in finals,
like who cares? Like that was a huge success for them,
and for the first three days a lane, they were
running down like the fucking best pro teams in the world.
Maybe some of that caught up to them in finals.
I don't know, I'm gonna look into it because it's
such a cool story. It's probably becoming a story and uh,

(24:25):
and like yeah, like they're I think that the Open
they did succeed by capturing some of their goal what
they wanted, which was showing anyone could be someone in
this game and helping a lot of people get opportunities
that were not possible without the Open. So like, yeah,
like I do think the big positive is that, like
it capture their goal. It's just if they tweak a

(24:46):
few things here and there, spend some more money because
like I know that, like the biggest reason a lot
of this stuff that didn't happened is because of budget.
So if they spend some more money when you're planning,
ton't buy one hundred and sixty teams to an event,
and then then they could after their goal even just
on a bigger scale.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
So yeah, we'll have to hope.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
The other positive I had from it too was fan
interaction was at an all time high. Like there was
so many players you could come up and say hello to.
There was so many different like people you'd go say
hi to because it's so wide open, like you could
talk to everybody and you would.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It was cool too.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
You'd walk up and you'd see one pro talking to
another pro being like, hey man, you inspired me and
like they're just going back and forth and you get
to see all that out there, So that was really
awesome and just being able to see how they all interact.
I got to meet a lot of the guys we've
interviewed before, got to talk to them out there, so
that was really cool. And so, I don't know, I think,

(25:39):
once again, the only thing I think there's so many
opportunities for them too to have like these.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
We obviously have the B stream, right, why not have
a C stream? Why not have a D stream?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
If you're gonna do the open in the future, there
are so many community members that would be perfect for that,
you know, There's so many that you could just have
out there. So I think it would be a really
good opportunity. And I'm definitely not trying to throw that
out there so that maybe I could be on like
the Z stream or some shit like.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
That, but it would just be a great it would
be you're putting yourself at.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Z Yeah, yeah, because fucking he's not gonna read chat.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
True, Well, I'm not small, yeah, I guess. I mean, wait,
they reach chat for the B stream?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, what kind of have you ever watched the B stream?
I watched I watched the games, but then like when
it's one of the.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Most impressive things that nice Wig I think has ever
done is during e w C with like eighty thousand
viewers or something like that. Maybe maybe it's about like
fifty thousand viewers. Jayhawk went into his chat and said,
because they were able to vote for like if they
wanted like you or not you district like Broken Moon
or Olympus. Jayhawk goes into nice Week's chat and says,
vote Broken Moon or some shit like that, and thence

(26:49):
Week saw that ship with his chat moving that rapid
speed and goes got you. Jay.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
I was like, what the how why this.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Should be hard to read chat? Because there's probably so
many comments flying in.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's the point like he can. He like, that's you
read the chat, you'll catch something that's impressive.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
That's I'm just calling for.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
I'm calling for a Jay stream jump on Jawk. It
just rights itself. So yeah, there you gotta have one
next time.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
There you go. That's why as well.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
They all talk about the nice Wig uh and uh
and Greek banter. Wait until I call Jay a bitch.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Like jump up us out the suit on some match
point finals. I mean it's just right.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
The entire point is, there's so many opportunities. There's there's
a lot of people out there who could run those
streams and could bring those games to be at least
like maybe you don't even have like all the odds
for every different team, but you're gonna have one mainstream
where you can kind of get an idea of what
happened in there if you want to continue with the
open format. So that was something I just wanted to
bring up. But other than that, I think overall it

(27:55):
was a success. In my mind, I thought it was
really fun. I thought it was really cool. I do
want to talk about some of the surprises. When you
talk about an open and having one hundred and sixty
teams that many players in one place, you think to yourself,
the plan, the goal is to have a wide, wide
net where you start to pick up some players that

(28:15):
maybe didn't have a whole lot of traction before. And
I cannot think of any team better that exemplified exactly
what the Open was supposed to be about than the Torkaholics.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
We got to talk about the tour.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
We gotta talk about the Tourkaholics now in me and
Donnie's preview after every single set, out of all the
eight groups, I would always announce a winner based off
of logo and name alone, and I had put the
Torkaholics as a winner on name alone, not thinking twice
about it.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
They showed up.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
They bawled out my boy floating with the R ninety
nine while everybody else using the P twenty twenties, just
going against the grain, going off boys. The Tourkaholics were
by far the funnest thing about this tournament, Like just
watching every single fight, everything that they did, they must
have revived a thousand times, Like they would just fight,

(29:05):
we lost this one, let's just get him back, bring
him back in, let's fight again, and they just kept
fighting over and over and over again. It was beautiful
to watch. And when they did get into the zone
on some of these fights, they were shredding people. What
are you guys thoughts on on towur Team Tour.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
It's I mean, it's just it's just a crazy story,
isn't it. You know, like it's it's almost hard to
put it into words what they did in this tournament,
right because like we mentioned, you know, they're with the
what thirty Well, I did the guy and I can't
remember now, but thirty third, thirty six in the Challenger
circuit and no one has any sort of idea what

(29:42):
this team's going to be, like, has no clue what
they're gonna do with just Land. Everyone's gonna predict there
to go out in the first round or two. And
then you just get to Sunday, it's like, oh shit,
this team is in a finals lobby and all I
you know, I was, like I said, a lot of
time and the pit and the side stages and stuff
and really watching no or how omit was doing. But
the boys would walk over and they just be like, oh, yeah,

(30:03):
it's where Collis is dropped like a twenty kill freaking
third place. Oh they just backed it up with a
fifteen killed second place, Like you just walk you know,
at least from my perspective, I'm just hearing about this
and be like, what the hell are these guys on
that they're just mowing down Alliance and mowing down some
of these top fighting teams in the world. Like it
was just it's an awesome story, you know. And again,

(30:26):
like you mentioned, you know, everyone's using pe twenties and
you got a guy out here with an R and
nine just absolutely frying the fuck out of people. It's
just it's it's it's awesome to see. It's what the
heart of the events about is discovering talents like this
and these storylines and honestly to shout out to them
for the name because being able to say to work
allics the whole weekend and hearing the hearing the main

(30:46):
cast have to say, you know, jokes about Torque and
all that shit, like it was just it was awesome.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Man.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
It's just such a good storyline.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
The name change Buff has never been has never been bigger.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Get into that because I didn't even know, like you
had told me about this. Tell the people the story
of the name change. The name changed Buff.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, okay, so floating who's like the R ninety nine phenom.
Literally I think it was like I think he changed
his name like a week before the event.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I could be wrong, it could have been longer than that.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
But he used to go by a C season and
I'd like fought him like a decent amount of times
in ranked and I was like, okay, yeah, like sure
I've showed on him. He shit on me, Like there's
like the back and forth. But it's like, I there
was never a time where I was like, man, like
this guy's nuts. Literally the week of like the tournament,

(31:41):
like I think it was like Monday or Tuesday, there's
this guy floating running around in ranked and I was
just getting pissed on it, and I was like, who
is this guy? And then later find out that it's
AC season. I'm like what I was, like, the name
change buff is real? And then I so like that
was just from playing, like playing against them a couple
of times in rank, and then like literally like a

(32:04):
few days later, this dude's out here killed Leader Atlanta,
and it's like the floating buff, like the name change
has never gone harder, and just like the overall like
the ability that a team can go from like thirty
third and CC, which is just wild that thirty third
and CC can like make it to a land and

(32:26):
to not only make it to a land, but then
make it the finals. Like obviously they didn't have the
greatest finals performance what I mean, it's their first time,
but just like as Donnie said, it's just an incredible
storyline like what the event is really made for and
highlights just the point that we've all been talking about
about how like there needs to be like more like

(32:48):
it's just absolutely criminal that there was so much apex
that was played that just nobody really got to see
and to put on an event with like this many teams,
it's just criminal. That's some of these teams walked away
without having like any footage of them actually ever being there.
And so thankfully Torkaholics was not one of those teams,

(33:08):
and we got to see them on multiple accounts just
mowing down teams that we didn't expect and.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
So well, it was just crazy because they qualified directly
through winners, right Like they even go to losers the
whole week or weekend, which is even crazier. So yeah,
they don't have a pop off in finals, but like
they're only one of ten teams that never saw the
loser side.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Like that's insane.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Absolutely insane, And they were lucky enough, like he was saying,
to get main stage. I'll correct it because I'm the
one who brought up the placement. Their most recent Challenge
circuit was fourteenth, but none of like what we talked
about changes it. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, like fourteenth in CC is not like still
not crazy.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
No, that's I believe that's their overall standing is what
that is thirty six because between the two that they played.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
In fair enough, fair enough, I would I would go
on to just like basically I got a lot to
talk about them because so we had watched them in
Winners one. And the interesting thing was while we were
sitting out there, this team like they were dropping at
poys like Devastated Coast, where then they could loose quick
and sprint to the other poy that's closest. So like,

(34:16):
for example, this case was launch pad and take a
contest off drop. I don't remember who was up against
in the first set that I'm talking about, but it
basically was like with poy draft now, teams are not
expecting to get contested, and so when this was happening,
they were sending one player to go over there and
start causing havoc. Other two would come up and they'd
win the fight and they get three d p offstrip.

(34:38):
I'm like, oh, this is pretty crazy. It's an interesting
strategy that they're doing, like Devastated Coast. People talk about
it not a good poy. The big reason not a
good poy is because it's so hard to rotate to
the north with all those teams around. You got pylon
launch and everything like that. But then also to like
if teams have to come your way again, like you
don't have very much loot, you can't do much from there.
And they said fuck that, and they're like, we're just

(34:58):
gonna send it and basically steal launch pad. And they
did it every single game, like, so that's how they're
racking up a lot of points. Three kills per game
to start, that's nine points and one and a half
of your set. So when we were setting up, I
was on the desk for the next set. We had
Tworkaholics in our lobby and they come to the back
and Ben, who's the producer of you know, all the

(35:20):
talent and the show, and like you know, he goes, hey,
we're gonna do like teams to talk about. I need
you guys to pick a couple teams. He asks me
and Zephyr just pick teams specifically. But he looks at
Jamerson and he says, Jamerson, I want you to talk
about Tworkaholics and Jamerson's like, I don't know anything really
about this team, and he might have been I'm not
sure if he's on desk before, but it's sometimes it's
hard to follow when you're in the green room all

(35:41):
the storyline. So I said to him, Jamerson, this is
what they're doing, explaining them the whole like like running
at them situation. It's a pretty cool thing, I said.
The biggest thing for me is like they could do
that in the first lobby where there's a lot of
more inexperienced teams, easier lobby. Can they do it now
in this second lobby, which still is gonna have some
experienced teams, but like there's to be better teams undeniably.

(36:01):
Can they do it? And then we get there and
then all it was all we talked about was fucking
Tworkaholics because they were absolutely frying. There was a team
that I'm pretty sure dropped two wins. I think it
was Young Black Rickey dropped two wins in the first
three games. Oh it was Monster. Sorry, Monsters dropped two
wins overall throughout the set, and we only talked about

(36:22):
Workaholics really, which I feel bad for the disrespective Monster,
but it was just crazy what they were doing with
how many kills they were putting up. We had a
ten minute delay, and we pretty much talked about workaholics
that entire ten minute delay, that's how crazy they were.
And then the other funny story I have about Turkaholics
that happened was like I think it's like day three
now and uh, we're I'm in the green room with

(36:43):
some of the casters and this guy walks in the back.
He goes, are you guys all talent? And they all
say like yeah, it was okay cool. He goes, I
worked for the anti t team. He goes, and you know,
we like looked through a lot of like the different
devices at the event. We made sure we checked like
four hundred different controllers. We noticed everything was like spot
on clean, uh and everything like that. But we want
to see, like, you know, your thoughts, like how does

(37:04):
the event team so far as it seem like pretty
good like anything, Like he doesn't say like anything fishy,
but he's kind of like implying like anyone like really
surprising us how they're performing here, And everyone's just like yeah,
floating man, this guy, like it's crazy, came out of nowhere.
The rise up is sick, Like this guy's cheating, and
he's like, okay, cool, He's like, what term is out
with Workaholics? Yeah, like, you know, like they're not the

(37:25):
greatest CC team, but they're out here just shredding teams.
He's like, okay, I could look into that. Everyone's suddenly
like no, no, no, no, no, wait wait wait wait stop.
We don't actually think he's cheating. We're just we're kind
of saying like they're playing so good, it's almost funny
like that. It would be a funny explanation the only
way they could be as good as if they're cheating.
But please don't look into him. So I don't think
he ever did, but that was a funny situation where uh,

(37:48):
you know, anti cheat team wanted to look into them.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, no, if Torkaholics was was the story, uh it was.
It was great watching t Workaholics just from Afar. And like,
my favorite thing about to Workaholics was actually their finals
lobby because they had every opportunity to be like, all right, guys, listen,
we got here, let's change it up a little bit,
let's see if we can get some wins. They said,
fuck no, we're not changing anything. We're gonna fight everybody

(38:12):
again and again and again. And again, yes, did they
get twentieth Yeah, okay, last in the lobby. Who gives
a shit. They went out on their sword. They were like,
we're going to play the exact same way we played
the entire tournament, and for me, I thought that was
cool because it was just like, yeah, we made it
to the big time, should we change things up? Hell no,

(38:32):
we're not going to. We're gonna keep playing to workaholics football.
That's what they did. They played towarkoholics Apex. They ran
the damn ball, and you know, they learned a valuable
lesson and I think they're going to carry that forward
into the rest of their APEX careers.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
No.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I respect that though, because like if they got through
the entire tournament playing the way that they did, they
continued those rat plays and everything in fucking winners finals.
I think they were doing it where they were landing
at some dog crap pel on fucking district and then
they were just sending it to stadium and killing whoever
is there. Or it might not have been Winter's Finals,
but because I remember Crazy Raccoon, it was that they

(39:09):
were sending a land champion team, by the way, So
it's just like you know, they got through the entire
tournament doing that. To try and switch it up after
could have gone terrible. And even though they came twentieth,
like I feel like, I feel like if they played
that way, they would have looked back and been like, fuck,
if only we played the way we played this entire tournament,
we would have dot it. If at least they they

(39:30):
know they did what they felt was working for them.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Yeah, and they carry that through game six too, Like
it was all the way through game six because we
were watching a little bit of Falcons footage before we
hoped that year, and literally before Falcons is even leaving
the poy, you just see Turkaholics of the Kill Feed
already fighting nine lives, and it's like, damn, these boys
just went out absolutely fiery, no matter what the case was.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
So we shout out to those boys.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's such a perfect point jumbo, because it's just like,
even let's say, for instance, they decided to switch up
the strat and they get like sixteenth, they're like, yeah,
damn man, you know, we tried to play it a
little bit differently. Damn.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I wonder what would have happened if we would have
just played if we would have just ran the damn
ball played some wrkoholics Apex. They would have always thought
about that. They don't have to think about that.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
They're like, we ran it down, it did not go great.
We're gonna switch some things up and we're gonna come
back a little bit stronger.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
And I think they will.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But I think we gotta get them on the pod
because honestly, I wonder if they even think about switching
things up, cause, like, I think I want to watch
their whole finals lobby back. I'm I'm ill freaking say
it now. I'm gonna probably do a video on them. Yeah,
I think it'd be really interesting to look at their
finals lobby and see like, was it that that strategy
wasn't working or was there some other stuff where it
was just like, Wow, they got unfortunate finally for six

(40:46):
games straight. I don't know, call me crazy, I think that,
like if they were to finally get into pro league
or something like that, maybe eventually catch up to them.
But I think that some of the shit they were
doing could work. No one's expecting. They're like, oh, fucking
Ring one is about the clothes. We could finally grab
this harvester. Oh no, wait, there's three guys sitting on
top of the harvester and they killed us. Like, why
would that not work in pro league? The guys are

(41:07):
not gonna expect it. It happens in my favorite case
of it in esports, Like viewers who like watch counter
strike will know the story of Stewie's UK, who was
a guy who they called him just like a pop
stomper play like high level ranked and CUSCO and everything
like that or face it, and he would play against
pros and he would look insane. It was like, he'll
never be able to take this to pros because what

(41:28):
he would do is when there would be a smoke down,
everyone's like, okay, smoke's there. No one's coming through that smoke.
Not Stewie. Stewie's jumping through that smoke and he's gonna
one tap everything and as he comes through it, and
then he gets to the pro league, the Pro League,
and he starts doing the same book and shit and
a few years later goes and win Too Major with
C nine, like the only NA team. I could be
wrong about that. I haven't watched, but like, like like

(41:51):
you know, everyone thought Stuwie couldn't play the way he
played with like actual pros. It's this unhinged thing, but
he broke the mold that these guys were used to
so Turkleholics could be them. Maybe I'm maybe I'm over positive.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
No, I think it's great.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
And this is exactly once again, we said it so
many times, but this is exactly what the open was
meant for now. I did want to go around do
a quick little round robin. We already talked about Turkaholics.
I wanted to ask y'all if there was any other
team that just surprised you. It could even be an
individual player that you just wanted to highlight real quick.
Just going through and talking about some of these other
teams here, I'll throw it on down to you. Don

(42:24):
I feel like I know your answer, but you know
I'm gonna throw it on down to you anyway.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Yeah, you kind of caught me off card. I'll be honest,
but I mean, I think I'll just I think I'll
just go for it. I mean, just honestly, just meaning
the Omit Boys and having the experiences of, you know,
taking me back to coaching a little bit of just
nervously watching people that you work with or you know
what you know, coach or however you want to word it,

(42:51):
trying to play a game and you have no say
or ability to help them at all. Like it was
definitely a lot of fun as Turva and as it was,
and uh just honestly shout out to the boys, like
just in general, because a bunch of great guys and
they just absolutely fragged out, absolutely battled the whole weekend.

(43:12):
I mean, Cody ended up top fiving kills, which is
absolutely insane with them going out and like the losers semis.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I think that's the right one.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
But but I mean finished in the top forty when
definitely no one expected them to finish. I think that
high and for a team that never scrims and the
team that definitely just is kind of playing on vibes
and just having a good time, like, it was definitely
a lot of fun, and I definitely think they were
one of the storylines that definitely came out of the
land for some people of like, oh, like this team
that just never practices just came and was, you know,

(43:42):
a couple of fights away from potentially making into the
top thirty or even finals. Because even in that lobby
where they got knocked out, Like three other times they
got killed were by falcons, So like you kind of
just kind of ran into a buzz saw at that point,
and unfortunately that buzz saw was Falcons. And but yeah,
I mean that was that was definitely on a personal side,
that was definitely my my storyline, and it was definitely

(44:05):
a lot of fun for sure, And it.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Was it was a beautiful marriage of the apex, the
podcast and storylines. Because Don who's on the pod coaching omit,
who has Cody the first ever three time guests on
this show.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
We've had him on so many times.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And watching Cody, by the way, Cody's arm sleeve hard
like he's got this arm sleeve of all time. Shout
out Cody. But it was fun watching and watching Cody.
Luckily he was in the pit, but we got to
like sit right next to him and kind of watch
how he's playing. Watching Cody with a charged up rampage
is it's a It's an experience that you want to

(44:41):
be a part of, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
And it's just so funny real quick to says, like
you see Cody, he's on like the balls of his
feet basically screen, you know, face to screen, just absolutely locked.
And then you go over to saying, who's sitting there,
like Chris Cross in his chair just absolutely like vibed out,
but like also fragging at the same time. It's just
that the the economy between the two is just so

(45:03):
funny because Cody is just so aggressively into his screen.
We're saying, it's just like, could just be having a
beer with this guy right now, Like he's just so
chilled out, Like it's it was, Yeah, it's it's a
very interesting trio to say the least.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
But surprising amount of APEX players take the shoes off
while the games come out, and sometimes I feel like
it's involuntary, like the match will start, they have shoes on,
by the time it's over, shoes are off.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Lot.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Yeah, a lot of dude were like that Pricey was
walking around in the pit without shoes the whole time,
just like that's just how I'm comfortable, Like you can
just tell like he was just like that's how they
normally play. And I mean we're talking about the guy
that got third place at this lands, so like, yeah,
it was the pit was an environment to say the least,
but it was definitely a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
So jump. I wanted to throw it on down to you.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Was there a team or a player that you thought
that you wanted to highlight real quick that surprised you
or at least in your opinion, should be getting more shine.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I'm gonna rapid fire these a cod Sea. The last
few lands for strafing were not the best. Love seeing
them bounce back pick up a price. He couldn't have
been better for them. Price. He went fucking nuts this land.
Nineteen kills in finals, huge damage and if you watched them,
that guy was styling on people. So hype for them.
Twisted mines with freakin' Alb Crooks first time I gelling

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they were the one seed going into finals. We talked
about it, like Alb didn't know that then apparently that
he that Falcons were on finals. His teammates knew, but
he didn't know. They lost track of Falcons. They could
have kept the tournament going. But like to even be
in that position shows how sick it was for almost
like this come up with Alb and there was a
lot of unsigned teams in that final lobby like like

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like not unsigned, but like I guess I should say
like up and coming teams. Empire nine Lives, even though
we're in pl right now, kind of felt like one cat. Yeah,
just a rival. There's a few unsigned teams, so shout
up for them to like get all the way Babo,
like Babo was there too, said he mentioned bob Babo
could have taken the housing and Falcons. Man, I love Falcons.
I'm happy they won. My boys, they won. Well, I

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want one more game. You always Bobble could have. Bobble
could have did it?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Shut up? There was there a team or a player
that that stood out to you.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Uh yeah, I'm gonna piggyback, piggyback off of jump and
go with the Empire boys. Like that's a team that,
like you have Riley and that boy Lord of the
Rings thirty one that have been playing together for so long,
and that's like a duo like like we've seen Apex
like and like right now like Rostermania is going crazy,

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and that is a team that I think we will
see sticking together for a fairly long time. Carter is
like a fairly what somewhat newer addition to that roster.
But I think that that like group of three guys
we will see for like many years to come competing
and like they they have like incredibly bright futures ahead

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of them, and they're just like tall guys, came out
and had a pretty incredible finish like that what they
got like seventh or eighth one of.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Those seven, Yeah, and so absolutely, which is like for their.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
First land is is pretty incredible. And so that's definitely
a team that I'm going to be having my eye on.
And then teams. Another team is the UH that boy
MG Clutch and Hoodie UH. They didn't have like the
best of performances, but I think that that that team
that duo picks up Nasky and they instantly become probably

(48:38):
my favorite EU team, And so that is probably gonna
be like out of all like the EU Pro League,
that's gonna be the team that I'm going to be
rooting for, uh And They're going to be a team
that I'll have my eyes on moving forward and that.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
We should all expect to see at the next Land.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Well, and a quick shout out to to the Empire boys.
They have left the Empire and are signing to a
different org, which you want to talk about a team
that took advantage of their opportunity. We obviously don't know
who that ORG is yet, but you would think it
might be a step up, you know, whether that's pay
or opportunities or whatever. But big shout out to them
for taking advantage of their opportunity finishing in the top

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ten at their first land. Yeah, it was a great
shouty because, honestly, if you weren't talking about tworkaholics, we
might have been talking about them as the biggest surprise
because who would have picked them to be top ten?
It probably would have picked them with being finals, honestly,
So huge shout out to them for their first land.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, and then I wanted to round it off with mine,
and that was nine lies. I actually got to talk
to them after the tournament was over. I ended up
at this bar and they happened. They just happened to
be there. But I did think that they were getting
to talk to all those guys. It was mostly just Vain,
McLevin and then the ORG owner. But talking to those
guys like Vain, remember just not that long ago, like

(49:52):
with Oxygen, they had an incredible run and then Vain
at one point I think he might have said he
either he was taking a break or he was retiring,
he was done with APEX, he.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Retired, Yeah, he didn't know if he was gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And getting.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Getting to talk to him, and and then seeing them
get and have this performance, getting to this finals and
playing the way that they played, super impressive, awesome to
talk to. And I'm just very excited about the future
with Vain because we already like I think he can
do it, Like I think he's one of those players
that I'm really looking forward to in the future. And
just from having a conversation with you, and you can

(50:27):
tell he's like very amped for the future of like
what's to come with his squad. I'm pretty sure that
it's just gonna be Vain mclove and moving forward. And
then they're looking for a third don has have they
found one yet or.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
There's nothing official yet, but I know they are trial
in a couple different thirds. Let me because I know
there was a graphic.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I think that there's just been some Rosser Mania.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
That I'm not.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I saw graphics from privacy, but I think it's already outdated,
both based off the rumors I've been seeing online.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, but yeah, I just wanted to shout out nine Lives,
Vain and McLevin. I thought they played a hell of
a tournament. Sirs as well. I believe they're moving on
without surce. But overall, just great performance from Nine Lives,
super impressive. It's one of those times where you get
to watch that little bit of that redemption and it
was a good story.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
So that was the team I wanted to talk about
a little bit. Now. On the opposite side, there were.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Obviously some teams that we really expected to do well,
and in fact, in some of my like me and
Don's little preview, I had one team in particular that
I thought was going to do fantastic and it was
I think one hundred and thirty seventh place.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
It was not good.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
My boys at Go Next. I was hyping them up,
talking about how great they were at fighting.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Did not go well. Did not go well for the
boys at Go Next.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
And then obviously I am the king of trying to
change the mojo of the vibe and trying to get
a team back into a place where I feel like
I'm not costing them even though I'm literally not playing
and not affecting them whatsoever at all. I bought this
hat thinking it would change the mojo of team complexity,

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I thought, and I forgot to cancel the order because
by the time I.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Forget, you didn't forget. We were sitting there, we told
you to do it, and you didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I could.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I did forget because I was going to do it,
and then I was like, yeah, I should probably return
that hat.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
And then after we left the event, it was just beers.
But yeah, I mean I could have. I completely could have.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
At one point it shipped fast it did. I mean
it got here. It's an incredible hat, like this is
It's a great quality hat. The dude in boss like
it's it's awesome. It did not change the mojo. It
did not change the vibes. But yeah, so that was
Split two. It's gonna be great for Split two.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Split two, Split two. I'm so excited. Yeah. No, it's uh.
It was tough.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Much of my complexity boys go down like that. But
I got to actually I got to speak to Kim
She and Man, which was great because I've wanted to
speak to Kim She ever since we interviewed him.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
The first time got to talk to him. He told
me he was gonna send me a sign Jersey. That's badass.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So yeah, overall tough, tough showing for the Complexity Boys.
But that was my team that I was I was
really rooting for. And then the team I had been
pulling for a lot in EU was Go Next and
U did not go well for the Go Next boys.
Anybody that you guys wanted to shout out Donald throw
it on down to you.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I mean I maybe wouldn't say shout out.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
We talking about teams are disappointed, we want to shout out,
shut out.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
There's a lot of things I really thought we're gonna
be in this final. It did not make it well.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
And I and before I get into hell to say
real quick, and I think that's what this Open was
almost designed to do, was kind of create these different
stories of like obviously the good side of things where
we saw a lot of surprises, but these double lemna
type tournaments, no matter the sport you're in, are going
to create chaos because everything is going to play out
so much differently when you lose that first life. I mean,
we saw some teams that I think we were shocked that.

(54:11):
I mean most of these lobbies for the first round,
for those who didn't pay attention enough were like eighteen
team lobbyes, so like you would think the top teams
wouldn't have much of a problem getting through that first round.
I mean, we had Go Next in IP and reddle
order and Team Nemesis, who has like is like number
two in EU right now for Pro League, all dropped

(54:32):
to the losers after the first round, which is just
absolutely insane because I mean you're talking about Nascy, You're
talking about the Go Next boys. I mean a ton
of talent there that dropped down early and had to
fight their way out, and some teams responded well, and
unfortunately a team like you know, like you said, with
Go Next, like they end up going out early. I said,
I think my probably my biggest surprise at least just

(54:57):
based on how they were playing, was probably I mean, honestly,
i'd probably say crazy Raccoon. I know they weren't playing
the best, but you think they get to a land format,
a team that's won in the past, and they go
out and loss round two. Like maybe it wasn't good
necessarily be a team that bade finals, you know, but
I would thought at the very least they would have

(55:19):
been able to get into the top forty. But I
think just with this format, when you lose that first
life so early, it's just so tough to bounce back
and play as well as Falcons did consistently, because again,
you got so many games you have to play, You
have so many back to back, you know, don't have
much of a break in between sets. It's just it's
a lot to ask and if you're not on it,

(55:39):
every single game, you're get knocked out. And I mean again,
we've got a list here, which obviously we're not going
to go through everybody, but I mean just seeing crazy
Raccoon from literally a year ago, this roster won a
land Apps and started this cycle of you know, teams
that weren't the super teams winning winning Land so it
was very prized to see them go out as early

(56:01):
as they did. It was losers round two. But I mean, yeah,
I thought the list is crazy, and I'm sure you
guys will get into a couple more here in a
second jumbo.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Was there one that stood out to you.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Off the top of my head, Like, I feel like
you guys have covered some of them. Yeah, so like
no one specifically, Like the biggest thing is this open.
We saw the same things happen with plgs were like, shit,
that is going to be random, and that's going to
knock out some good teams, and it was absolutely expected.
So like when I saw good teams go out, I

(56:36):
wasn't like, oh shit, like they're they're done already. I
was more so like huh, I was waiting to see
who it was. Like then it's just some of these
guys ended up being like the casualties whatever early. So no,
you know, like any team that was pretty much is
a Pro League or Land team, especially a Land finals
team or Land with your team that didn't make it
the finals, is going to be a shock. And there

(56:56):
was a lot of those. So I think that's what
happens with with with the the Open though. In one
hundred and sixty teams, you're gonna get some random stuff.
You're gonna get to workaholic spratting your ass and make
you have three games in a row with zero points.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah yeah, so, ladies and gents, that should just about
do it for everything. From the intro here, lots of
stuff to talk about. We probably left some meat on
the bone, but there's just so many teams, there's so
many different things, so many storylines. So we tried to
just cover the best. To round out this segment, I
just want to run through the top three real quick
team Falcons obviously with the Win Alliance right behind them

(57:28):
and El Kadzia in third. That rounds out the Open,
the finals of the Open. Ladies and gents, we're gonna
send it on down to our interview. We have a
great time talking to how going through and talking about
everything with this win and everything that went into it.
Obviously a long run for Falcons where things were, they

(57:51):
had their ups and downs. They had their ups and downs,
so getting to talk to him about it was awesome.
Let's hit a quick ad and send it on down
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It is the CEO Imperial How. How you guys just

(58:12):
won probably one of the wildest events, I would say,
with the way it was set up, how everything went down,
and just the debauchery of how many games you guys
had to play. Everything was chaotic, It was wild, It
was crazy. But I just got to say, after you
get this win, where does this win rank in your
land wins over? You know, your entire career. Is this

(58:34):
went even close to the top or because of how
wild it was?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Is it up there?

Speaker 6 (58:39):
I've been asked a couple of times, like I don't
think it's definitely like not top two. I'd probably say
like third or fourth overall. I don't know. It's like
I don't. I think it was mainly because like the
finals was didn't seem that serious to other finals like
this felt like some games were like scrim quality type
of games, And I don't know, I feel like the

(59:01):
way we that was like the most anti climactic like
win I think I've ever had it in a land,
you know, kind of like just sitting in the zone
and really just third parties, and they didn't they didn't
make it really like a play at all, to be honest,
except the very end of the portal. But like, I
don't know, I feel like outside of the finals, definitely
like top three easily because of like the run. Obviously

(59:22):
first team to win only from Lucy's bracket, so you know,
finals kind of made it a bummer, but it wins
a win, so I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Can we acknowledge how crazy it is to say, yeah,
this is fourth on my list?

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought you meant like the Mount
of One, but.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, you said like third
or fourth on your list of yeah wins, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, yeah it was when when you say it was
anti climactic, it was all of us were sitting next
to each other watching up in the front row, and
when we saw where the circle pulled, everybody kind of
just looked over and it was like, yeah, they're winning
this one. Was that kind of the same sentiment you
guys said, like, yeah, we got it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Well, we called that we were gonna win before the
game even started, before we even started the game, because
we were like or zero was like, yeah, you know,
how was playing Wraith, I'm playing Bang like this is
the game to win. And unfortunately it was literally the
perfect zone to get, you know, with with Beacon, you know,
Alliance being the only other match point team, but they

(01:00:22):
have FUSE so they can't like rotate instantly compared to us,
So it was just like literally like the stars aligne
like in every single like the entire game, like from
start to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So yeah, was that the first time that you guys
have been on that team camp?

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
I think it was. Yeah, I don't think we usually
played Ballistic instead of Bangler with that comp but I
think Ballistic was banned the game before that that we won,
so yeah, usually I think that's like our very first
time we played that. We obviously we obviously played for
Watson in the Wraith, but not like bang Watson Raith.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
So yeah, yeah, it was a It was a wild
event and overall just the obviously the finals were pretty
anti climactic, I think, not just for for y'all, but
like people watching at home too, just because there were
some you know, teams that had squeaked in there and
and kind of been able to make finals that maybe
in other lands they wouldn't have even been like had

(01:01:16):
a chance to do so. But the entire event, you
guys obviously go down to the elimination bracket pretty early,
at least for your guys' standards. When that had happened,
was there any conversation or anything said between you guys
or was it just kind of business as usual. We're
just gonna lock in and and kind of get into
the zone here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
I don't know, like we've it was kind of like
business as usual really, Like like the main thing is,
you know, we have to like maintain our confidence and
you know, our mentality and like get like mentally defeated
or like mental boom because we went to lose bracket.
You know, like right right off the bat, I was like, okay,
like we're going to be the first time to win

(01:01:57):
Land like from losers bracket, Like I'm not going to
miss finals. I know, Walts you did not want to
miss finals. And like Zero was telling us like listen,
like if you guys get me to like lose his finals,
like I'll get you to finals and we'll win. Like
that was like kind of our deal between each other,
so you know, we you know, told us each other that,
and like I said, like the main the biggest thing

(01:02:19):
when you get to loser bracket is not you know,
changing mentality or anything like that, like changing anything. It's
just kind of maintaining it because you know, the easiest,
like the worst time or typically when stuff like that happens,
when you go to lose bracket, you become mentally defeated
and then everything kind of falls apart. And that's like
the difference between like great teams and like bad teams.

(01:02:39):
You know, the bad teams will just like mental boom
and then like you know, just continuously go down the
cliff basically with the performance. But you know, we're kind
of like the opposite. You know, we we didn't want to, like,
you know, it wasn't we weren't planning on making this
land the first time I've missed finals, and same with Walls,
so you know, we kind of just like stayed mentally

(01:03:01):
strong and as soon as we like had one good block,
we kind of just went back to like how we
usually are, so that's all we needed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Yeah, you guys won three of those losers or like
a limb sets, and then like one of them he
came and forth. There was one where you know, it
was kind of dodgy, like ninth. We'll talk about that
in a bit, but I want to know, like with
the set and the winners, was it like the format
of this tournament, like with all like the random teams,

(01:03:32):
did you guys just kind of feel like that second
set was gonna just be something pretty easy? So you
guys didn't take fully serious?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
And then yeah, that's good question, because like it's funny.
I like, remember I'm gonna throw zero kind of one
of the best, but it's like I remember zero would
be like you know we're like that block that we
didn't make it. Like he was like, yeah, you know,
like it's all right, Like you know, I'm not worried
about calling. I'm just worried about you know, doing well
like or whatever. Like that's what he was kept saying.

(01:03:59):
And then like it became to the point it was
like going down to the last two games, I was like, okay,
like we gotta care about calling now, you know, not
just doing well. So like he sometimes does that, like
he doesn't like worry about it for whatever reason. But yeah,
that he like mentioned that a couple of times, but
you know, I always took it serious. It's just like

(01:04:21):
I don't know, like we were getting griefed from like LG.
Like those guys were just like running us down like
constantly or like third partying or fights because they were
landing next to us, like them like winning first game,
then like running Wealthy down the second game, and then
like running us down the rest of the game. It
kind of just like fucked everything up the first three games,

(01:04:41):
which led to us like having a bad first three games.
And I said it before determined. I was like, we gotta,
you know, make sure we don't have a first bad
like first three bad games, because if you do, then
it's like, you know, pressure's on and you have to
like claw back. Like you know, if you have a
good start, it's like you play a lot better because
there's no PRESSU sure, and you have confidence or whatever.

(01:05:02):
So but yeah, when you have those three bad games
because of you know, us getting ran down by LG
like half the time, it kind of just like made
everything harder the last three ones, and we played like
way more passive and hesitating to take fights and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yeah, because like I know, they were slamming you guys,
the Maggie and everything like that. But like I thought
that I knew it was gonna happen to someone in
this event where it was gonna be like a good team.
It was gonna go in with like confidence because they
should they should run the lobby. But then something's gonna
happen when you're gonna have a team like that just
kind of try and grief you and next thing, you know,
you guys played eighteen more games I think than a

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team that went straight through winners like Alliance played thirty games.
I think you guys played forty eight, which is the
most you could have played the event, which was pretty wild.
Like what did you think about I guess like this
open format. I feel like I know some of your
opinions seeing them online, But what did you think about that?

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Well? That was like absolute hell, you know, like I
wasn't really like thinking about it at the time. I
didn't think we were going to go through like lose
Brackett that early specifically, so like, you know, I think
the second day and the second day where we were
going through lose bracket, like I think middle of the
second block or something. I might have been first block.
I don't even remember, but there was at some point

(01:06:14):
I just remember I was like, bro I don't even
want to apply anymore, Like this is just I'm just
like so tired, Like I'm just like exhausted. Like there
was also like an one hour pause break in the
middle of our games because someone's PC us like yeah, yeah,
was fried. Was fried because of him having a wireless

(01:06:36):
headphones and they were trying to replace it. And then
when he tried to replace it, it like broke his PC.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
It was two things. It was someone else had wireless
headphones and as they were dealing with that, then his
PC like started basically exploding.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I don't know, but like that, like the also
the worst timing is that like I had to use
a fucking bathroom, so like I'm just sitting there for
like forty minutes, like holding a piss, and they're telling
me I can't go to the bathroom, and I'm like okay,
Like I've been sitting here for thirty minutes and you
so don't want to let me go to the bathroom,
Like hello, like what are we doing? Like I don't
have my phone? Nobody has their phone. You gotta take
it away? Like what am I supposed to do? Like

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I'm gonna Is there a hole in the bathroom I
could take and get to the main stage and cheat
or something. It was just like that was as hell
And then I don't know, it was just like not
fun at all, like playing that long, Like you literally
were like after every set, like sometimes you had to
swap from side stage to the main stage, so you
just had no time to like like yeah, time to eat.

(01:07:30):
But it was like a rush. It wasn't like you
had to sit around. You guys had a pe y draft.
You had a po ye draft, swap swap up set up.
There's one time. I remember like we literally like we
won the block, I think, and then we were on
the size stage and then they told us to pack up,
and then they told us, oh, yeah, you guys, you
guys are playing the same spot. So then we packed
up for no reason and then had to reset up

(01:07:52):
in the same exact spot again, when we could have
just like left our shit there and like never set
up before. They just you know, they could just tell
us like, hey, you're actually moving here or no, you're
saying here, and we just packed up for like no reason.
So that was also sick. But yeah, I don't know,
playing that long, like past twelve games is just not
what you're supposed to, Like, I just don't believe that

(01:08:13):
should be a thing, Like you're not like we're basically
just pushing your players like to the point like it's
like everyone's just gonna start playing terrible, and it's like,
why does anyone want to watch that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yeah? One day, one hell, either day would have been
probably just oh yeah for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
But APEX was being like very very cheap in so
many ways, Like they did this thing where it's like, yeah,
like let's give everyone opportunity one hundred and sixty teams,
but like, we're gonna go to fucking New Orleans and
then we're going to have a venue that doesn't even
have seats for size age. You know, We're gonna have
a venue that closes food at four pm. There's no alcohol,
there's like literally no backstage. Basically the only thing that's

(01:08:50):
in the backstages bathroom. I have to walk through like
a hundred people so I could get to the player lounge.
So it's just like it was very, very scuffed compared
to like every other land in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
There was another thing that I was wondering about from
the player's perspective with this open format, and it was
they had I thought, at first it sounds like a
good idea, but then I think in practice they could
have done a little bit better with it. And it
was that stage where they were like highlighting teams where
you're kind of just like on a mini stage in
front of a bunch of people.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Yeah, how was that? I personally like that. I thought
that was a great idea, you know, it was kind
of just most of the time it felt like it
was just kind of featuring the popular teams. It wasn't
really like the teams that were like doing well necessarily,
but yeah, like I think it was a good idea obviously.
Like the thing is that, you know, size stage, there

(01:09:41):
was not a single chair, Like people are gonna be
sitting on the ground or standing for ten plus hours
if you want to watch your team playing on the
size stage for all three or eighteen games. So like
people were like literally grabbing chairs from a different like
the other room, just themselves, like they had to do
it themselves the audience, which like obviously helped a lot,
I'm sure for them, but yeah, like yeah, I don't know.

(01:10:06):
It was like the future say was cool, but I
don't know, I don't know how I feel about it.
It's like like Feature Day is cool. Features feature Day
is cool, but they're like face it, like the whole
thing is absolutely terrible. Like I've never even been on
it once. I've just seen and only heard bad things
about it. So it's like, yeah, you have four or
five teams being featured. You could watch it in person,

(01:10:27):
but then like the majority of your audience is online
and the majority of your teams is also playing on
the size stage. They're not everyone's not playing mainsage. And
if you don't give people access to like watch their teams,
and even if you can, it's like scuffed audio or
you expectating the wrong team or some shit like you
can't have like you can't have a company like face

(01:10:48):
it be in charge of something like that's so important
and like completely fuck it up. Not just once, but
like you know, I feel like multi times. So I
don't know if they have like a contract with them
or something, but they just have have not been doing
their part. I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
So when it comes to the open format, I think
there was a lot of really good ideas and I
think that like overall, there was some teams that we got,
you know, to see that maybe we would have never
seen before, some players we probably wouldn't have seen before,
opportunities for coaches and different stuff like that. Would you
want to see this happen again though? And if if so,
like what would you want to change the most about it?

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
Yeah? It was funny because I was asked that question
before the tournament, and like they asked me, how's the format?
You know, just like I think after the first block
or I think, yeah, definitely at the first A and
I was like, yeah, it's like fine, Like I feel
like it's a little bit overboard. After I played like
eighteen games back to back, I was like, yeah, what
the fuck, Like what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Like what is this? What about when you compare it
to Poland because you guys had eighty teams there, Now,
it was a little bit different where you guys were
playing like three game sets as most as six game sets.
I don't think I never want to see a three
game set nowadays, like the random shit that could happen
in three games. But like that eighty team format versus this,
what would you think in that comparison?

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
I think that was way better obviously, Like I think
I'm trying to remember like how long? How polling was
also long?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
No, it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah, there's three days to you guys did everything in
three days.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Yeah, So it wasn't that bad. Like I watched way
much more prefer that. I feel like just like there
was a lot more issues outside of format. It was
more so like like location, like I feel like it
was the middle of nowhere. Catering was like cafeteria food
or like prison food, like from from personally when I
was at Poland, Like I don't know if you were there,

(01:12:38):
but like holy fuck, it was really bad. Like I
was literally going off. I was eating like chocolate and
soda for a tournament, Like that's what I was eating.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
They also did Loser's bracket the same day as Matchboy Finals,
so there was some place played like four games or
five in the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
I think Rogue that was complaining about that because they
went through lose his bracket.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
And then there was like a four hour break is
a nice week's controller and then there was like fuck
an eleven game match points.

Speaker 6 (01:13:03):
Yeah, that's why it made like hell for some people.
So like that was also obviously like you know, didn't
help at all. Obviously we didn't go I don't think
we went through lose recket for that tournament. But get
back to like fucking New Orleans, it was like, I
don't know. The format is like cool, give opportunity to
other players, you know, make a name for themselves and
show up like Twurkaholics and Empire. You know they did

(01:13:24):
so well cats from EU like CC team, Like yeah,
it's cool, but like it took you one hundred and
sixty teams to just have maybe like two teams do
well or show that showcase their talent, like you know,
Twurkaholics at like twentieth I think Kat, I don't know
what they got. I don't know what I think Empire
got six or seven. Those are like underdog teams that

(01:13:45):
did like better than than you know, they were expected.
But you know, it took you like one hundred and
sixty teams to just get two or three teams to
show up, and every other team was kind of like
you know, either signed or expected to be there, right,
so it's like, you know, was it really worth it?
You know, you have you know, I don't know how
many teams got eliminated within one or two days, Like
it was more than half or maybe half of teams. Yeah,

(01:14:06):
it's like, yeah, I don't I don't know. It was
just like kind of overboard. But I think they kind
of just did that because they knew they were saving
so much money with like the venue and like the
location and stuff like that, so they decided to like
do try something like that out. But I feel like
you cannot do that many teams unless you have like
an extra day being played or the format like there

(01:14:27):
needs to be more of like a you know, like
I said, twelve games max a day, you're playing eighteen
like that's way too overboard. That's like the main thing,
you know, as long as there's only twelve games a
day that I'm completely fine with playing twelve games a day.
Other than that, like, you know, I don't know. I
also think, like I just don't see the point of

(01:14:48):
having that many teams, Like I think it's, like I said,
it's just overboard there. Maybe it should be like one
hundred or eighty. I don't really know like what the
like right number amount is, but I think like that
type of mu can be you know, for that many
teams could be put towards something else more useful, like
you know, hotels, or you're not forcing people to pay
out of their pockets for hotels. Yeah, I know, that's

(01:15:12):
just how I say it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
How much more do you think the fatigue aspect would
have been if you were on M and K still
versus way worse?

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
Oh, Like it's I'm just lucky that I was playing
roller and I'm not even I gelling, Like I can
just only imagine like a mouse key igl like he's
just his brain. Would my brain would be fried, like
completely fried, Like I would be obviously like still I yelling,
I would be drinking Red Bull, you know, up the
ass to like compensate, which was I was doing that anyways,
but like, yeah, it was just I don't know. I'm

(01:15:42):
like it was would have been way way worse if
I had to play a mouse Ki. I think it
was more so it would be way worse if I
had the IGL for that many games for that long.
That would have been I think way worse in the
aspect of like playing mouse Ki in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
How many Red Bulls deep were you on that day?

Speaker 8 (01:16:01):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
I just like I'm not gonna lie. I don't know,
because like they would, they would, they would put us
they would they would force us to put the Red
Bulls in a like EA bottle because we can't have
them like on stage. They really don't let us have
anything branded. Yeah, I don't know. They don't have I
don't know every every single event, even Monsters, like when

(01:16:25):
Monster used to sponsor, like we had to put them
in cans like or the cans that were like branded
by EA or just like no logos. And I think
it's because like from what I heard is like you know,
this event is sponsored by Monster or Red Bull, but
then the actual venue they have their own sponsor, like
they're sponsored by Pepsi or something, so like you're not
allowed to like you know, show it on stream or something.

(01:16:48):
It's like weird, but I don't know, but yeah, it
was I was be drinking. I was just drinking it
like it was water, and I obviously like I would
just pour it in there and I don't I don't
know how many cans I put in there, like how
much I been drinking, but you know, at least maybe
like three or four max, I think, nothing too crazy,
So because I was like I was trying to focus

(01:17:10):
or not focused, but like make sure that I don't
drink too much Red Bull, because if I drink too
much Red Bull, then I can't sleep and then I'm
fucked for the next day. So like that was it
had to be like a balance of like, you know,
make sure that I'm awake that day, but then not
too much to the point where I'm fucked the next day.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, because I can't remember if it was you were
Waltzy that mentioned it when we talked to you guys
last time, just about like when you guys were in
that matchpoint final for EWC for example, like thirteen games straight.
But like when you're getting to end game so many times,
and like you guys had you guys got like top
five every single game for quite a while, where it's
like you just that drains your mental more then, So

(01:17:47):
like you know when you're playing these games, and like
we said, like you guys won most of the sets,
so you guys were like getting those end games. So
you're playing eighteen games straight, full twenty minute games, right, Yeah,
there's like really no no hesitation there of the sets.
Was there any of them like stuck out to you?
Like specifically? It was sorta and continue what you're gonna say?

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
Sorry, I was I was just gonna say, like, yeah,
like did you bring up like a good point, like
if if I was just spectating and doing bad or
like doing mediocre, like I have so much more downtime,
right because there's kind of chill. But like since what
we're doing so well, it's like you know, you said,
we were playing way more than literally anybody else in
the tournament, like notine' close, because not only we were
playing through lose bracket, but we were winning like half

(01:18:28):
the blocks, yes, which means that we were, you know,
performance wise, playing more each game. Yeah, So but what
what was what we were talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
I said, like, was there like of the sets though,
was there any of them that like stuck out? That
was like, like, there's I feel like some of them
do you know? You guys dropped like one hundred points
a couple of times. It was like, okay, those just
feel easy, But there any of the were like, you know,
really got intense for you guys after because we can
get some not I don't know, not.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Really like we after we made it like went down
to lose bracket, it kind of like felt easier in
a way. I don't know, Like it wasn't like anything
crazy personally. It just felt like the main thing to
me was like the group stages or the lower brackets,
whatever you want to call it felt way harder than
the finals was itself, Like you know, the lobby quality

(01:19:15):
was way better. Nobody was just kind of inting constantly.
You know. When we came to the finals, there was repeatedly,
you know, the same three to five team just dying early.
You know. I remember like the one game where it
ended neon square that we won and I was on ballistic,
like there was I remember looking and it was like
thirteen teams a live third or four its own, so
it was like a scrim basically. So outside of that,

(01:19:37):
like I remember also vividly like we I don't think
it was I think it was a block that we
almost got knocked out like ninth I think, yeah, like
back to back e am zones or some bullshit, and
we had to fight Nave coming from Energy Bank. They
had like red armor, double red armor, Kraber p K,
they had ballistic crypto and you know the usual shit,

(01:20:00):
and they fought us in gallery. We just had like
a straight three v three and they like literally lost
the fight. And I was just like what how Like
we should have died, like if we lost that fight,
I think we didn't even qualify because but like they're
like team fighting was like so bad. I just don't
know how we won that fight because I was like,
it's Nave. They have you know, double care pack weapon,

(01:20:20):
you know, they have abilities on us. They had everything
to win the fight, and they just like fucked it up.
So that was like the main like thing that like
surprised me. But I'm sure they were like mental boom
because they were like bottom three for a majority of
the like that block. I think so, But yeah, I
outside that all the blocks are kind of like normal,
I feel like, to be honest, So.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Uh as far as the the actual the blocks that
you guys were playing, things seemed to be going pretty well.
After you guys went down into the into the elimination bracket,
then things start to ramp up a little bit on
those you get to the finals, you're seeing like three
team teams and it seems like they're the same same
couple of teams. Was it just like in your head,
You're just like, I we could take this so easy

(01:21:06):
right now. Even though Alliance was like really high above
in the early like couple of games.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
When we were in finals, like I wasn't I don't know,
like the main thing I wasn't like really playing well
in the first two or three games, Like I made
like a huge mistake in Monument. I feel like that
costs us like a lot of points. So I don't know,
we recognized obviously Alliance was like farming, but after I
think after the first game we had like like a
twelve point game or something like a double diggit game,

(01:21:33):
we had a lot of kills. Zero was like, you know,
save the hell out of that game by the way,
but he I don't know. When we had that really
good game in the very beginning, I was like, okay,
this is like this is like you know, this is
gonna be easy, like we could do well here, Like
we were confident after getting eleventh pick, like we won
the Losers finals. I was like, you know, we got
eleventh pick. There's four maps we're gonna have. We're gonna

(01:21:55):
be still able to have at least like two good pys.
You know, obviously it was like less maps, you know,
lower I feel like a lower pick would have been worse,
but having four maps being played, I feel like helped
having a lower seed, so it wasn't that bad. But yeah,
like in finals, it was kind of we've always like

(01:22:17):
we had that mentality as soon as we went into it,
like we were going to win, Like especially me, like
I was like tweeting out, you know that we're going
to win two days before finals even happened, even without
even knowing that we're going to make it or not.
So I don't know, I just had like this like
delusional confidence and I just I don't know, I felt
like very individually like confident in my gameplay, especially before Scrims,

(01:22:38):
I feel like I was playing like very well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
So yeah, yeah, it definitely showed with with how everything
played out. Obviously when the MVP of the of the tournament.
There was two other things though that were new to
the open format, and that was Broken Moon entered in
and then also the legend band system that you guys
have been using in Pro League, but this was like
the first land event where it kind of took place.

(01:23:00):
From your perspective, how did those two things play out?
Because I know, for a long time, at least in
scrims and and and in Pro League a little bit,
people weren't that the biggest fans of Broken Moon. And
then as far as the legend bands, how'd you feel
that played out?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
In uh?

Speaker 6 (01:23:14):
In the open I think the band SYSM is like
the one of the best things that they like introduced
in the game, because you know, not everyone's like stuck
on playing on the same thing every single game for
you know, the entire tournament. I think it's mainly because
like we personally as a team hated like playing Newcastle
Gibbie Rampart meta, even though we were you know, we

(01:23:37):
did pretty well in support of with that. We even
had a chance to win, but we I don't know.
I feel like it just allows teams to kind of
showcase a lot of their skill in so many ways,
you know, with having a deeper legend pool and having
more experience and whatever, like playing multiple characters. I feel
like there's literally just no downside to it at all.

(01:24:00):
So yeah, Lunchaband Sism is great. I have like a
zero problem with it. I feel like it's kind of
saved my not saved my, but like saves comp in
a way or a lot. So yeah, I feel like
it was great. And then what was the other thing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Broken Moon?

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
Broken Moon?

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Broken Moon notoriously is like really shit in scrims, Like
people for some reason when they play on that map,
everyone's kind of like killing each other really early, and
like it's like the worst quality games are on that
map obviously, because I think like how the map is
laid out, there's a lot of choke points, there's not
a lot of playable area. It's kind of like kind
of like Olympus in a way. So I don't know.

(01:24:39):
I they didn't seem that bad, like they seemed fine
in at the tournament. I thought like this entire time
that like that map was gonna be really bad because
trying to rotate or like getting over mountains and trying
to gain a zone, like certain zones, it's like if
you don't have valk, like you're just fucked basically. So

(01:25:00):
I don't know, like I feel like it's fine, but
I feel like it's definitely the worst map in camp currently,
like by far. So I don't know what they're gonna do,
if they're gonna make changes, but it's not to the
point where I feel like it needs to be removed asap.
Definitely needs to be like tuned or like modified the
map itself. So well, yeah, we'll see what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
There was more, Oh sorry, you could go ahead. I
was just gonna say there's one more new thing that
the event that we did experience it I that was
the flip flop buff Like, how do you think having
the dogs on match point finals helped you play so
good those last three games?

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
That was the first time I ever pulled them out
like any Land. So I like woke up that day
like I kind of like slept like shit the day before,
the night before that, the night of, I guess, and
I was like bro like I'm pulling up and not
giving a single fuck like I want to, Like I'm
being comfortable, like I want to be comfortable. I'm here
to like you know, we're here to win, So I'm

(01:25:59):
going to take every single inch like I possibly can.
And that's and if I have to bring the flops
out and like be as comfortable as I can, I'm
gonna do it. So I did it. You know, I
know people, I knew. I knew people were going to
say something like especially if he won. So I was like,
you know, why not, It's just gonna be memes whatever,
who cares? So yeah, just like more so like a
I want to be comfortable, you know, And I felt

(01:26:21):
more comfortable playing you know, the flip flops, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
So, Yeah, I'm curious the statistics are. I wonder if
other people have played in the flip flops before and
not one or if this is like one hundred percent
win rate and now I think I've ever seen anyone
else like play on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
It's crazy. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
My question is when I saw the flip flops because
watching in the pit, I started to realize that there
are a lot of apex legends pros who do some
weird stuff underneath that table with their feet. They'll they'll
go criss cross apple sauce, they'll go shoes off, socks off,
all that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Kind of stuff. I saw some.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Like if you have socks on and then take them
off to complete I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Saw socks off in the pit. Anyway, when you're wearing
the flops on the stage. Were the feet thoroughly like
firmly in the flops.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
Or I was locked in controller stands and like not
obviously about the table on the table, Like my legs
were just straight up just you know, ninety degree angle,
nothing like not like I was sitting. I was sitting
on the edge of my seat because I hate armrests
touching my leg or arms, so I'm like literally sitting
on the very edge so the armress don't hit me.

(01:27:32):
But yeah, like I'm just like fully locked. So flops
are on, you know, playing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Okay, just making sure because I didn't know if it
was a situation where like involuntarily you kind of slip
them off as you're no, no, no, no, no, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
I wasn't getting that freaky most serious if you were
a getting if we're getting past ten games, I might
have had to you know had to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, who knows at that point? Yeah, you got to
go for the comfortability there. I also think, like to
bring up the flip flop point. I also think too,
in the future, if they do the open format, maybe
if they cut down like forty teams, there could be
enough money to potentially just have like a porta portage
on right behind you. Because this is the second time
you've come on the show and either almost shit or

(01:28:15):
pissed your pants.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
Okay, that's true, that's true. That's true. The Evil EWC.
I was just like dying, like because I was sick,
but like, yeah I was. I don't know that listen.
I like it was funny too because I brought it
up to my team when I had like they had
that hour long break. I was like, what did they
know if I have to really piss? Like what am
I going to piss myself on the stage because you're
gonna stop me? Am I? Just what are you gonna

(01:28:36):
do if I run to the bathroom? Like you can
stop me? When to get peak? You Like, what do
you what do you genuinely do if you really have
to piss or take a ship like you just what
do you do? Like you have to AFK. I always
thought that, like when the EWC thing, Like I literally
was so sick and I like had to use the
bathroom constantly, And in my mind, I was so worried
that I had to do it and build a game

(01:28:58):
because like, are they're going to allow me to do it?
What am I going to do? That does happen? Like
I'm just gonna ship myself while I'm playing, like just
let it rip and just keep playing, like as if
nothing happened. Like I'm just gonna say on the on
the mic, like guys, you know if you hear something
just closer, like generally, like what do you do? Sometimes
people have to go and but I haven't seen a

(01:29:18):
single like you know time that has happened yet.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
So yeah, would you would you piss yourself on stage
if you had to? Would you just tank it?

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
I would?

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Or would you resk that? Would it?

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
I would take it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
That's what I specifically remember you saying you would not
ship yourself on stage. You said if you had to, okay,
sting and different things. I just like to know the
different levels of commitment here, be fair.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
Yeah, to be fair, I don't think I would have
made it to the bathroom. If I had a ship,
like take a ship, that would have been like way
more embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
But I think you've drawn a really good line here.
I think like the line here is like I will
piss myself to win this tournament. I won't don't ship myself. Yeah, perfect, Yeah,
I mean we cut down a few teams, we get it,
we get some bathrooms nearby the Falcons booth. I think
everything's gonna work out, just okay. It's also funny you
bring it up, like what are you gonna do to

(01:30:13):
stop me? That'd be funny if they said, we're gonna
put a hood over you and we're gonna have people
carry you how to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
The bathroom so you don't see anything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
It's just a wild situation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
What would they even see? Like what is even the
risks there.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Especially when they think that they can people can cheat,
but like maybe, oh yeah, well the game is paused.
Like if you go to the bathroom, you walk by setups.
You walk by like literally ten teams setups, and you
can see their screen and where they're at. So you're
gain so much information possibly by walking up. But because
every time you go to the bathroom, you can see
everyone's screen like when you're on this high stage.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Even to be slightly fair, I did hear that there
was a long pause at one moment where there was
a player or coach that wasn't supposed to stand up.
I don't remember who it was, but stood up and
was walking around and was just standing behind other teams
computers staring zone information and they didn't have zone and
then that game ended up getting canceled so it didn't matter.
But like the player, like they did just go stand

(01:31:07):
behind other people and stare at screens. And I didn't
hear that, and I do remember it being like, I
don't remember who it was, but I do remember it
being like someone who's like in Pro League, been the
Lands before and everything like that, just fucking chill and
watching screens.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Then that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
So yeah, uh before sorry, go ahead, I was gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
Say one thing is, speaking of looking at screens, I
remember when we were on the main stage, at one
point I sat down stream before. I don't know if
it was like winner's bracket or lose his bracket, but
I was telling Zero was like, you know, we're on
the very first booth in the main stage. I'm like zero,
Like we can literally see nice wigs like screen from
here while we're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Think about that that first booth, the first booth of.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Absolutely you like even in the second booth too, you
can really just see like this, you know, nice wigs
like watch party screen like the entire time, Like you
could just be like seeing like like obviously it's too
fucking small to see like where teams are, but like
you can just see where the zone's going. Basically, that's
like the only kind of thing that he.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Was watching your lobbies too. I'm pretty sure he was
watching all.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Yeah it was Yeah, it was so booth won Buff.

Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
Yeah, that's the first time I've seen that happen. Usually
because the watch party is not like that close. It's
always like a completely different area. So that's like the
first time that's ever happened.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
You had something before, Yeah, yeah, we we had talked
about Broken Moon. What are your thoughts on E district
for COMP?

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
I love the district. I think that map is great,
like even in ranked and comp, Like, I have no
problem with that map. I feel like the only issues,
like some zones are kind of like insane like third
zone pulls, but like you know, that's the game, so
it's like whatever, but it's my favorite map to play on.
So yeah, I have nothing bad to say really about
that map personally.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Yeah, because I guess we didn't even I didn't even
realize we talked to you before Japan happened. I think
like we talked a lot about like what you guys
expected to like coming up to Japan, but we didn't
talk about the fact, like you guys got third there,
pretty big freaking event and everything like that. I know
you guys said you didn't really like the meta, but
if we even wanted to like briefly touch upon like
what you guys thought about your performance there, especially it

(01:33:15):
was the first tournament after Germany, and a lot of
the talk that was coming out of that event, what
are you guys thinking or what did you guys think
after that? How are you feeling? Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
We were pretty like disappointed, like we really wanted to win,
but like I feel like, I know, we had like
one or two opportunities to do, like to close it out,
but it was like, you know, like one play away
from winning the tournament. So it's like pretty big bummer
when you're that close to lose. But you know, I

(01:33:47):
don't know, like it was kind of is it is
what it is. It's been a while since then, but yeah,
I don't know, like we were I don't I know.
Wallsey took it very harshly. I don't know if it's
because he blamed himself or he felt like I don't know,
he just felt like bad because we were so close
to winning and I don't know he thought we were

(01:34:09):
going to win but then we didn't. So yeah, I
don't know, but he took it very harshly. After the tournament,
I took it like I don't know, I took a
very like chill. I don't know, like we we had
I said, like we had one opportunity and I eat
are game and we fucked it. And it was kind
of like, you know, all right whatever, you know, we
and sometimes you just can't win every single time, like

(01:34:32):
I know, we want to win every single time, but
it's like, I don't know, it's it is what it is.
We had one opportunity. We you know, that's it. We
didn't really like fuck it up, like we kind of
just got griefed by unlucky for whatever reason. I know
what he was doing, but yeah, that's just how I
saw it, like I was like, we can't win every
single time. So usually when you try to win a

(01:34:54):
match point final, it's like you have that one game,
and if you don't win that one game, you're more
likely going to be fucked for the rest of the
tournament because this is just how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
So, yeah, does it hurt more finishing like in like
the bottom ten versus like finishing top five, but you
know you had the chance to win the tournament?

Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
No, Well, it depends like how like what the situation
was to win a tournament? Like was it me losing
a one B one? Was it me?

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
You know? What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
Was I involved, like fully involved? Was it fully my
faults or whatever? Like who fault was it in the
first place? Like I think overall, like it's definitely worse
to get twentieth because it's just like you're just like
defeated the entire time, Like you also don't expect to
get twentieth twentieth as a team, like ever I die,
I would never do worse seventeenth on teen sem so

(01:35:45):
then going twentieth, it was like even way worse, like
the entire time, like I went to vacation, right after
like twentieth place, and I was just like all I
was thinking about was Apex. It was just like it
was just like that bad. But yeah, I don't know,
like definitely way worse to get bottom ten or even
bottom five. But it obviously depends, like you know, if
you lose the game or tournament and it was your fault,

(01:36:07):
then that's going to like count you forever. So hopefully,
you know, thankfully I haven't been in that situation, so yeah,
it was. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I think as time passes with this open, I think
it's gonna start look looking more and more impressive to
the people who a watched or for people who are
historians of the ALGs and just kind of think about
the road to get here. Obviously, playing the most games,
going through the elimination bracket, all that is absolutely insane.
And I know, right now it doesn't feel like it's

(01:36:38):
the best one because you said that that finals lobby
was kind of just you know, a bunch of newer teams,
teams that had kind of squeaked in there. But I
do think that statistically, like this is one of the
craziest accomplishments we've ever seen, and it did. It is
kind of crazy how this team had gotten that twentieth
place and there was a lot of pressure on you guys.

(01:36:59):
There was a lot of talk about you guys and
what you guys were able to accomplish. When when that
moment finally hit, when you guys won, was it like, okay,
the super Team Arc we finally achieved what we set
out to do. Was like we finally we reached that pinnacle.

Speaker 6 (01:37:14):
Yeah, that was like exactly kind of what I feel like.
I don't know how Walsea felt like exactly, but obviously
at first it felt, you know, anti climactic. Zero felt
like it was easy. It kind of felt easy. It
was I don't know, it was kind of weird because
we kind of like didn't go crazy like a lion did.
But then all of a sudden, we win a game
for a match point, and then we just went back

(01:37:35):
to back, So it's kind of like, okay, that was
like pretty quick. Didn't expect that. But I know Zero
was more taking it as like a relief than more
so of like a high or like a happiness, because
you know, there was like a lot of rumors that
you know, we're gonna split up if we do bad.
You know, blah blah blah blah blah. After returnment. You know,

(01:37:55):
obviously there's high expectations constantly. You know, we went through
loser's practice, so I'm sure zero was pressure, like a
lot of pressure the entire time as an igl. So like,
you know, after we kind of made it through everything,
you know, it was kind of like it reliefed him.
You know that he didn't seem as like he didn't
like start jumping up and like celebrating like it was
like the greatest win of his life ever. You know,
it was like the shortest batchpoint finals ever, the quickest one.

(01:38:19):
And obviously we did come from los's finals, but I
don't know, like we all expected to win. So then
when we do it, it was kind of like, Okay,
you know, we did our job and I'll go back home.
You know, like it was like, you know, the high
is like it would have been different. I feel like
if we went you know, if we had to work
for it, you know, if we had to work for

(01:38:39):
it before we went to finals. So when we got
to finals, it didn't feel like that hard to win.
You know, we went back to back, we were given
his own, The game was pretty free. We didn't have
to go ten games. We didn't have to play from
edge and kill everyone to drop a twenty bomb to
get the match point anything like that. Like it was
kind of like simple gameplay. So like, yeah, that's how
we kind of felt as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
To be honest, I think it's almost kind of deserved
in a way because you guys had played the most games.
You guys had done all that stuff, and even though
it felt free in the moment, like you guys definitely
had to work for it, like it wasn't Walker Park.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yeah, yeah, it sucks. I keep hearing you guys say
I was the freest win, is the freest win, and
like no one's gonna sit here and deny that that
last game, like it was probably the easiest game any
match point final has felt, right, like we all said it. Look,
we saw you guys go there, Alliance al Coadzi over there,
and then Furia, who are the closest teams to the spot.

(01:39:36):
None of them were able to hit Beacon or console
to be able to get there. So like there's so
many reasons why that specific game is really easy, but
the entire journey was pretty difficult.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I was gonna say too, is like,
you know, if you're looking back at it, I feel like,
you know, the entire tournament other than the finals, it
felt kind of like practice for us, and since it
was so hard, it like we practiced so hard to
the point where when it came down to the real deal,
like finals, it felt easy because we went through like

(01:40:07):
the hardest journey or point to get to that point.
So then when we you know, we're able to reset,
get a good sleep, didn't have to play in the
morning and have to play at four pm. You know,
they gave us time to sleep, I gave us time
to actually eat and rest. It was like, okay, like
we just went through. Hell, now it's just time to like,
you know, this is the easy part. So yeah, yeah,

(01:40:32):
well literally like literally kind of I don't know, Like, well,
it's weird because like that's the first time. It's like
the worst time to be in loser's bracket ever, like
in any apex feriament ever, because there's so many teams
and that's the first time we've like anyone's ever wanted
for loser bracket. So it's like I feel like it
was if it was anyone else, like losers bracket would

(01:40:52):
not be abuff. So I don't know, like we kind
of just had like you know, iron mentality, and even
though we were just winning and losing record, it gave
us a lot of confidence to be like, yeah, you know,
we got a good pick still even with four maps,
and we can easily win this.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
So yeah, so this was this was the first like
land win as for like Falcons. Like, since you guys
have formed the super team and now Walse has his
first win under his belt, do you think that now
that a decent amount of that pressure is alleviated from

(01:41:30):
the squadron as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
But this is going to be like the start of
like a Falcons golden age.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
I'd hope. So, I don't know, I feel like the
I would hope that the pressure is not like like
not alleviated. I want the pressure to be there, not
just for me, for my teammates, because I feel like,
you know, there's sometimes you know, you know, people can
get complacent. People will be like, yeah, we just wont
now we can. You know, it's chill and it's not
that serious anymore. We did what we had to do.

(01:41:59):
Now we can take Tank next Toernament or whatever. But
I'm hoping, like I said that we that pressure still
on because we play better and it makes people not complacent.
For me personally, like I feel like the pressure is
still on. I always have. I kind of put the
pressure upon myself. It's not like really a thing that
I kind of get from the outside in, you know,

(01:42:21):
from you know, my viewership and you know, reridit whatever.
So I kind of just put it upon myself so
like the outside doesn't mean anything like it does, but
it doesn't because I already do it to myself in
a way. So that's how I kind of keep myself
like in mind constantly and not get to like complacent
and be like, you know, I just hit one million.
You know I did this, I did all this, blah

(01:42:42):
bla blah blah, like you know, time for me to relax.
Like no, it's not like I'm only twenty five years old.
That are about to be twenty six, Like I have
a lot more time to play, and you know, I
can keep going. I can do more shit, you know.
So that's kind of how I see it. And I know,
like another thing is that I know we all really
wanted to want to win EWC. You know, like That's

(01:43:04):
a huge goal for our entire team and Falcons obviously,
because we wanted we were supposed to win the last one.
We weren't first in points the entire tournament. We just
want lost the matchpoint. So yeah, like, I know Zero
really wants to win. You know, it's a new trophy,
first EWC win for all of us. We've never won

(01:43:25):
EWC before, So yeah, I just know that like Zero
is like looking forward to winning w CRE and playing EWC.
So I'm excited for it because if he's you know,
locked in, then we're all locked in.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
So yeah, I feel like that kind of leads into
something I was curious to ask you about. I mean,
you mentioned, like, you know, yeah, you you're the first
player in Apex to just cross one million. You've obviously
had like a ton of other success in like your
career with streaming and the whole likes of it at
this point, and like you came from like h one
z one, like a lot of other pro pros in

(01:43:58):
this scene, was their first game being a pro player,
but you actually competed in a pro league. There's lands
like big like sixty player tournaments, like in person sit
like that. But then that like the tournament shut down, Like,
were you ever worried about your future at that point
with like you know, competing in esports in general, And
do you ever look back on it now and just

(01:44:19):
see how far you've come and what do you think
of that?

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
I like, I don't know with my like idea with
like you know, esports. Back in the day, I kind
of just like I my parents were always like pushing
me to do well in school, and that was kind
of like my number one priority because if I didn't
do well in school, then I wouldn't be able to
have my parents wouldn't spend money on my hobbies like gaming,
you know, would have been able to buy games new

(01:44:44):
you know, controller consoles, whatever. So like, you know, if
I did went on school, I would have my happiness
with gaming, right, So, like I had to do well
in school. So like the entire time, you know, when
I was playing H one and that was like you know,
went the hell like pretty quickly and died out. I
wasn't really worried about it, you know, like I always
kind of just played games for fun, but I was

(01:45:06):
really good at it because that was all I did
outside of school, and that was like all I did
out in my free time, so I kind of just
like I just kind of just for a long time,
I kind of just played games and kind of saw.
I kind of went with the flow, like I was
just kind of sailing at the boat and then until
I kind of like hit something or found land that

(01:45:26):
was like kind of just chilling. So that's kind of
how I went with it. I didn't take it. I
never thought in my mind, like, yeah, I want to
be pro esports player, I want to stream. I definitely
did not want to stream. I never thought I would
be a streamer. I didn't think I would like to
do it. My dad, you know, pushed me to do it,
but basically, like I was never worried because it never
focused on it. I never wanted to believe that I

(01:45:47):
could be get here to this point. I didn't want
to get my hopes up because I knew, like the
traditional way of life is going to school, getting a degree,
and getting a job, right, normal job. So that's what
I was expecting to do. But you know, I got
lucky along the way. But you know, t Hump and
Prod like picking me up because they knew me from
h one. So and then I got lucky that TSM

(01:46:10):
didn't just drop me and allowed me to you know,
build around the team or build a team. So you know,
there was a lot of like, you know, there's like luck,
but also like you know, I had deserve to be
there to a degree, so they kind of just like
met up at the perfect time. And obviously, like my
dad was a big like influence and a lot of that.

(01:46:32):
You know, he was always like the one allowing me
to like you know, play games, buy me games, and
he was the one that allowed me to go to
Vegas and move to Vegas, I could play in the
h one Ze Pro League and stop school because I
was in college at the time. I like only did
one semester and left, and so I could go and
make money. And you know, school was always around if
I had to go back, so it wasn't a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Yeah, And now, like when you go into that past,
you had said that there was like that traditional life
path that a lot of people have to go through,
go to college, you get a degree to all of that.
It has its own problems, but then you traded you know,
those problems for some different ones. When it comes to
being a streamer and your face being on screen all

(01:47:14):
the time for people to make their own assumptions about
you and judge about you. And I think the entire
intro of our last podcast together was the entire situation
with Jen and like everybody was kind of on your
guys's ass for no reason, and there was like just
a lot of things going on behind the scenes, a
lot of problems that you guys have had to deal with,
and then going into this tournament, there was even more problems.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Like there was a lot of people saying you guys
weren't going to make it as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
There was clips popping up of like an argument between
you Zero, all that different kind of stuff. When it
came to this event, was that kind of all put
in the rear view mirror or was there still some
of that lingering that in that moment where you get
up to hug Zero, when you guys have finally reached
this point together, it was like all that, this is
why we did this. We toss all that away and

(01:47:59):
this is exactly why we teamed up.

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
Yeah, that's you know, at the end of the day,
we're professional players. You know, obviously we don't always act
that way. You know, we say things, super things and whatever.
We act like on professional players. We're not like the
level of ast NFL athletes and NBA and et cetera.
But you know, I feel like after that you know,
big argument on stream, it was like very needed. It

(01:48:24):
kind of felt like it was like a volcano kind
of like just lingering around and then just blew up,
and you know, the vcano feels way better, right, So
like I need to get shipped off my chest. Zero
need to get shipped off his chest. Zero's afraid of
saying anything because of my viewership and blah blah blah blah,
et cetera. Whatever, but like, you know, it's funny. I
was like, yeah, you know that. You know that argument

(01:48:46):
was bad, but like you know, I feel like it
was needed. Like it was definitely needed. We started to
play a lot better. We kind of ship, like I said,
like we got ship our our chests, and I was like, yeah,
like you know, shit has been going bad, but like
I just I just I feel we're gonna win. Like
you know, everything seems like shit. You know, everyone's expecting
us to do shit, they're gonna split up, but like, yeah,

(01:49:07):
we're gonna win. I just thought of that back in
my head the entire time. So but yeah, like that
outside noise is always going to be there, especially with
like you know, my viewership and stuff like that, so
like it's just part of the job most people, like
genuinely can I handle it, like not to any closer
degree that I deal with. So yeah, just yeah, it

(01:49:29):
is what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Poor Walt Man. I saw you him and Dragger on
media day walk up. I'm like, what's up, dude, how
you doing. It's like, Oh, everything's going good. Just uh,
every single person's asking me if my teammates hate each other.
Now It's like it's like, oh, man, I can't even
believe they're asking you about that.

Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
Yeah. Well, people were literally like walking up to zero
like so like you guys splitting up Like this was
before they even land started. Like people were like other
players were walking up to zero like his friends were
like yeah you like you guys splitting up or like
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
One who's getting dropped?

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
You were bro, Like what we're not even started playing yet.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Like these guys like ship now they won, there's my Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:13):
I like secretly always thought like I always I've told
this like the Wall team and zero, like people, are
you know, like even though you're we have friends, but
like these guys are like secretly just like wanting us
to burn like just slow, like you know, you know
we're friends and all, but like in the game, like
we just they just hope we just like do terrible, right,
because you know, we are who we are, so but yeah,

(01:50:35):
it's just it's just kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
It is a weird reaction, like sitting in the crowd
because now I've been to this is my third event
I've been to. I went to La Japan and then
this one, and just the different reactions you get from
people in the crowd when you bring up the name Falcons,
it's just so yeah, it's so different, like you never
know what you're gonna get from somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
Well, yeah, there's like you know, Super Team haters or
just zero haters. There's people hating I don't like Gel anymore.
There's you know, Falcons is from Saudi Arabia haters, blah
blah blah, you know, blah blah blah, Like so many
different topics you could possibly you choose from because they
just they're a hater, so they're just gonna find something
to you know, pick you know to hate on. So

(01:51:18):
apparently I saw something. I think in twitch chat someone
said that we were the only team to get boot
or heard boots, like every other team didn't like when
we were walking on finals. I know I didn't. I
didn't hear it. I'm sure it was one hundred thieves
fan for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Like I se I sit at the front and yell
for every team, so I can't hearone else.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
But like someone said that twitched on and I was like, yeah,
I'm not really surprised at all.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
So but yea, yeah, it's crazy. It's it's just an
interesting reaction to to all that different kind of stuff.
But there was one fan that when I went back
and I was kind of like watching over the vod
of what went down, there was one fan in the
front and I just want to ask, for her sake,
did you see the sign that said Latina's for how?

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I just want to see.

Speaker 6 (01:52:09):
It was funny. It was funny. Listen. My girlfriend was there,
and I was like, you know, out of you know, respect,
I'm not like, you know, I'm just gonna be like, yeah,
I don't see that it doesn't exist, but yeah I
saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
I just saw that sign randomly. The funny thing was,
I was sitting very close to where that was. I
just didn't see it until I went back and watched it,
and I was like, that's the.

Speaker 6 (01:52:28):
Entire time, Like we were sitting on the side like
before walkouts and we're just sitting against the wall like
next to the stands, and the entire time, i just
see that like sign in my face, and I'm just
like christ I was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
I was pissed. They put you guys to the far left.
We saw de center and couldn't even see falcons, right.

Speaker 6 (01:52:46):
I mean like where we were sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Yeah, you guys are on the far like I like,
if we were talking loud enough, like Alliance could hear
us exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:52:54):
We like like we got to pick. We get you
get to pick like within the order of your seed.
So eleventh, we were the eleventh team to pick, Like
where we were on the main stage and it was
only like the only things that were available were like
two spots, but they were all left and everything else
at the top of the available. So everyone usually picks
the bottom bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Wait, were you top bunker bottom bunk?

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
They were bottom bunko bottom bunk.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Finally, want to land on bottom bunk. We talked about
this last time.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
So many records broken from.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Yeah lands having one from the bottom now, I think
a lot of them last year where it was just
Hal's land for the first time. I think it was
at the first sign bottom, first time flift flaps, first
time his bracket. This is all you need to talk
to us before, because this is the stats are going
to help you consistently every time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Yeah, no, it's incredible. It's it was awesome to see
you guys pull it off. And and uh, I know
it was easy first event. Uh did you have anything
else before? You wanted to ask him the final question?

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I would not have minded
if you guys let me get a couple more games,
And that was my first one. I dressed seven and
a half hours in the morning, and when I saw
that zone, I looked at why and I was like, listen,
I'm not even gonna be mad at Falcons Whin's this,
But I was. I was just honestly, I was just
glad that alliance then ended in four because that would

(01:54:17):
have been pissed.

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
Yeah, no, I would have been pissed if it did that.
But like I did feel bad when we went in six.
I was like, damn, that was pretty quick, Like you know,
I expected way before the tournament. I was like, yeah,
this is We're gonna have like the longest Apex match
point finals ever, Like we have a band system, we
have four maps, like we have random teams. Like I
was just gonna just grief each other constantly, like this
is gonna be fucking just a shit show, and then

(01:54:39):
it was like to plow up set.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
I think that actually attributed to it being fast because
of the fact that, like they I was talking a
bunch of the guys. I'm sure you've talked to them too.
They forgot where you guys were landing. They didn't know
what characters you picked. Did you guys change skins or
characters before lobby and then just select.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
I remember Walter brought up like, hey, we got to
pick like, you know, stupid character like random ass characters beforehand.
I think that was like I think that was after
the game we won. So I'm assuming when we were
in lobby, like I remember me picking Maggie. Oh yeah,
like I remember I had was on Maggie like default
before character selects. I don't know what Walt was on,

(01:55:18):
but like I know me and Walty for sure was
on like some random ass character. And then Zero was
at think on.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
His normal one bang pricey no Price. He says to me,
He goes, I checked, He goes, I couldn't. He goes,
we kind of forgot to check those skins before game.
He goes, but I thought I did. He goes, and
I saw Maggie. He goes, I saw Raith, and then
h who do you play? It was your third in
the last game, Watson. He saw Watson and I go, no,
it was Bang goes last, and he goes, damn Bang,

(01:55:42):
and so like I think they were looking for a
Maggie team the whole time.

Speaker 6 (01:55:45):
So yeah, like yeah, wow, Well, like the whole thing
that happened was like Strafing Flame thought we were playing
Fuse for whatever reason, because we usually do play Fuse,
but like we're not gonna play that from fucking Survey camp,
Like we don't have flutes for that. So like he
saw the other team had Fuse and we're like, yeah,
we got to int them. Like he didn't think about
like you know, where are they landing? Where they what

(01:56:07):
did they have to play? Like you know, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
So well, I think he decided that literally in the
last moment because he goes down, Yeah, he goes down.
Then he just goes it's the North team because I'm
pretty sure the had track if you guys, and then yeah,
they had tracked you guys. And as soon as he
gets went to the track.

Speaker 6 (01:56:22):
He didn't even like, well, he didn't like, no, he
didn't know that it was us the North, Like he
just wanted to kill us because he knew we were
in a shit spot and he was playing Maggie, Like
he could have definitely killed us if he had one
of his teammates helping him. But like since I pottled
on him and was like making him kind of like flustered,
he like literally over focused us and then died to
the team up the hill. And then that was at

(01:56:42):
a point where like he kind of like made a
panic call. It was like okay, like we're not gonna
we're not gonna be able to resume here, like we
just have to int and make sure the tournament keeps going.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
That that was I mean, that was probably the most
interesting part of that game. Was like like some of
that stuff that happened in the final zone. But like
I said, I think all those factors were we were
all saying, this is going to make it the longest
Matchboy final ever, instead worked on the opposite four maps.
I think the PUI draft was hard too, because everyone
just like forgot, well, where's everyone landing right now? And

(01:57:14):
then he realized you guys were serving shit.

Speaker 6 (01:57:16):
Yeah, people were really like paying attention to like a
Mac or that Mac didn't even know we were on
match point according to him, like he even know if
it's new, but like they weren't even like worrying about
that and that in their moment at all, Like they
were just like playing the game to win. So it
was kind of weird. But there was just like so
many things that happened in our favor in that game,
like with Babo like not taking our building and I

(01:57:38):
realized that we left the building and then like twisted
minds taking the building instead of inting us like and
then so many things went our way. It was like
insane to like, you know, like think about so I'll
take it, like you know, give me some like at
some point, like we just went through hell, like give
me something, you know, for once.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I do have one final bone to pick, and it's
really it's not even really your fault. It's more Zero,
I would say. But I've had this theory that there
are certain teams that when they celebrate in a particular way,
it's a championship celebration. I'm like, that team's gonna win
that celebration at the end. I think single handedly destroyed
anything about championship celebrations because that you talk about an

(01:58:20):
anti climactic game, that might have been the most anti
climacted celebration I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:58:26):
Yeah, like I got up, you know, excited or whatever,
and like, you know, I think Kyle was like probably
the most excited out of all of us, Like the
coach zero, like I said, he kind of just I
think he looked I don't know what he said. He
looked at me and said something, but I think he
said something about, like, you know, that was too easy
or something like that, like he felt like it was
he didn't work for it. And we're like, we're very

(01:58:47):
like competitive players, like all of us on the team,
so like when we feel like we kind of like
gifted it, it didn't feel as good. You know, We've
been a position before where we had to work for it,
you know, there was like a big competition or whatever.
But like, you know, when we feel like we kind
of got gifted, it didn't feel like as rewarding or
like satisfying. So it was of an anti comactic. Like

(01:59:08):
Walts was like probably the worst when it came to
like the celebration. I don't know how he was feeling,
but yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Was the part that bothered me too, because I was like,
Waltz finally won, and he was kind of just sitting there,
and I just expected a little bit, a little bit
more I think.

Speaker 6 (01:59:26):
No, no, well, I expected the same thing. Like I
was surprised that he like reacted that way. Maybe, like
I don't know, I've never even asked him why he
was like that, but like he's never really like a
type of person to like get very uh like excited
or like emotional in a way. Ye, So like I
was not surprised at the same time that he didn't
like get up and start like fucking you know, you know,

(01:59:48):
celebrating or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
But yeah, well yeah, okay, like Zero freaks the fuck out.

Speaker 6 (01:59:55):
Heero usually freaks out too, But like I said, he
thought it was too easy Walts just don't know what
he thought, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
But like the Japan, when you guys won a game
in Japan and like you and zero jump up and
you guys are streaming of Walts, He's just still in his.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
Chair like that.

Speaker 6 (02:00:09):
You guys, Well, he just like always been business first.
All He's always business first. In that game when we
won in Sapporo, it was like I had a big
crash out before that and we were like doing shit.
So like when we drop a big ass game like that,
like you know, we had to work for that kind
of yeah, like kind of like we kind of were
gifted that because the Lions was trolling that game the
Siphon ending, but we got a lot of a lot

(02:00:31):
of damn kills compared to the win that we had
in this Land, like we had like five kills or something,
I think, So it was like the complete opposite.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
But the bles that celebration is sick, Like I have
the real footage of it, like from the back of
you guys, and it's so sick like it.

Speaker 6 (02:00:46):
Yeah, I'm sure, like I know, like they did the
b roll or like a video with us winning, like
the aftermath, which is really cool, like saying, you know,
getting congratulated by other teams and other players and you
know giving her one hugs and like handshakes stuff. That
was like very second. They should always I feel like
they should always do that, you know, for every Land win.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
I think it's yeah, so it was really cool.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
It was I think one last question one and I
hope this doesn't go too long, but yeah, the question
I wanted to know. Uh, this is something I've always
been curious about for a while because I remember a
clip way back hearing Raven talk about like your your
like fighting IQ and like how it's just on a
different level than everyone else. And this came back to
me because I was watching another interview from one of

(02:01:30):
the people after this Land talking to Zero and he
basically just said that, like your understanding of the game
on like a minute level was just like unmatched, and
like I think the stats back it up, like this
Land seemed like one of your most dominant performance year
two champs is pretty crazy too, but like yeah, like
you just kind of went crazy throughout the entire Land.

(02:01:50):
And then again, like that's why why you mentioned MVP
and everything that. Do you have any explanation from that?
Like almost like what do you think from your perspective,
is it that you understand about the game compared to
other people in like those small details though, like something
like as simple as like the way that you engage
in a fight compared to like other players.

Speaker 6 (02:02:10):
I think, well, like first off, like I feel like why,
like the why I'm like that or able to do that.
It's just because I play the game like consistently for
six years straight, you know, most people, like even Jordan,
who was like the only one that was kind of
where he was, well, Jordan was playing with me, but
he was like consistently playing you know, like the game,
like not even close to what I was. So it's
like consistently playing, consistently playing the same way, consistently taking fights.

(02:02:36):
Like you know, when you do something for so long,
you know, I have like almost thirteen thousand hours in Apex,
like and you just do it for so long. It's
kind of just like I feel like a robot in
a way. But like one thing, I feel like I've
kind of learned that a lot of people don't do
or maybe nobody does it. I don't know, but like
I always think about like what the opponent is going

(02:02:58):
to do, and I think about what, Like I think
of I'm always in their shoes. I'm not thinking about
my shoes, right, So like if I always know what what,
if I always know what the other player is going
to do, I can counter that or put myself in
an advantage against that. So like that's what I do
every single time when I take a fight or when

(02:03:19):
I even make a call, like I think about what
is this team going to do if I do this?
When am I What am I going to do to
make sure I don't die or kill him for that?
So like that's like my mentality, you know. And I
feel like, obviously I have to think about what I'm
going to do because I'm not just going to stand
there and they okay. But it's like not a lot
of people. I feel like I'm able to not only

(02:03:40):
play the game, but also play the game in other
people's shoes like at the same time. And that's I
feel like it's like a huge difference between me and
everyone else. And you know, having that mentality but then
also like doing that so for so long, six years straight,
it's just like it kind of like an instinct thing.
Like I feel like I just have like a really

(02:04:00):
good instinct when fighting because I've been doing it for
so long. Like Zero doesn't even play the game as
much as I did, like since the beginning, Like I
have way more hours than he does, so like he's
a game I qu is great, but I feel like
you know, he has said in himself like my best
part is my game ike or finding IQ. So I
feel like it's just hard work for so long, and

(02:04:23):
that like mentality of like always worrying it not only
like thinking about other people's like choices, but thinking about
what the worst possibility can happen, Like if I go here,
Like where's the worst thing that could happen? Like does
it seem to drop on me? Like do we play
for the kills? Like I'm always just thinking about the
worst case scenario because if I'm always prepared for the

(02:04:43):
worst case scenario mentally, then like the rest of the
game or the rest of the decisions are easy because
I already prepared for the worst.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
So yeah, I think it's so interesting you brought that
up because there was I was before this interview. I
was going back and watching all your guys' game, and
I think there was a situation that played out exactly
how you thought somebody else was going to see what
was happening.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
It was the one on Broken Moon.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
I think Waltz's stuck behind one of these like pillars
at the core, and you're on one of the ramps
walking up and he's getting shot, and I think a
lot of times him answer are both getting shot, they're
both getting low. I feel like in my situation, if
I was playing, I would just run straight to my
team to try to help. But you look up, you
go down the ramp, you look to your right because
you think the team that you guys were originally looking

(02:05:29):
at in the inside the core, they're going to start
peeking out and looking towards that pillar, and you just
wait for him to come around. Absolutely fry him with
the G seven. You don't knock him, but you at
least force him back, and then you run back to
your team. And that was one of those times where
I watched it and I was like, I know for
a fact a lot of players would have immediately just
ran back to the squad.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
You kind of waited because you knew that guy was
going to look over.

Speaker 6 (02:05:51):
Oh yeah, a lot of people like you know, even
playing with so long, you know how do I explain this.
It's like when you play certain spot, a lot of
people kind of show their hand very quickly, like are
they going to just sit in their building and not move?
Are they Is there a guy on that team that's
just running around like a crackhead and like trying to
get peaks? Are they playing alter like they you know,

(02:06:13):
each team has their own way of playing the game,
So like when you're in a spot for a little bit,
like you kind of know who is going to like
play aggressive, who's going to sit around and do nothing?
You know, so like you kind of have to play
around that, Like you can't just expect to be like, yeah,
like we're dying, but like you know, they're so far away,
they're not going to just leave the building and run
out of us. Like but no, that's not that's not

(02:06:34):
how you play the game. You know, you need to,
like I said, expect the worst, and that's what I
like try to do almost every single you know time
we play.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
So yeah, yeah, no, it's it's pretty cool. And I've
always been curious because like it's obviously what's separated and
helped you succeed so much at this point, because like
you said, it's that instinct that you've developed that I
think a lot of other people are just still behind
mind the times with Yeah, that was that was it.

(02:07:04):
That was my wrap up question because I've that's been
on my head for years at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
Yeah. E, Now we've only had one other guest that
was on for for three times. I don't know how
you're gonna ask this question. The only other person to
do was Cody, which, by the way, both are top
five and kills from this event, So shout out us
for that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
But E, you want to hit him with it?

Speaker 4 (02:07:24):
Yeah, I mean I'm gonna go ahead and I'll go
ahead and ask the repeat because I mean it's gonna
be the same question but from a different time period.
And so from the last time you came on to Now,
what's the most important thing you've learned?

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
Uh? I think the most important thing I've learned is
trying to not be an ideal while having experience as
an IGEL is way harder than it looks or I thought,
you know, being a fragger or or not being in
a position to be an igl is way harder because

(02:08:05):
like I always thought, I can just not I gel
shut my mouth, don't say anything but like you kind
of still are I gelling in a way or I
am on the team right now. I feel like, you know,
even Waltz, Like Waltz when he's playing Crypto, you know,
there's times where he does IGL because he's telling us,
you know, these guys are fighting, you know they're here.
There's this like he's kind of telling us, feeding us information,

(02:08:26):
and he kind of kind of yelling in a way.
So I think, yeah, like the most important thing that
I've learned that was, like I guess surprising, was that
it's way harder too than I thought to not be
an igl. But yeah, that's kind of like I don't know,
I feel like I don't know what else, like would
I say other than that, Like, what's the most important

(02:08:49):
thing I've learned? Is like, oh another thing? I think
it's like a big thing. This is what I learned
after Germany and getting twentieth is like I cannot expect
anyone else other than probably myself to take criticism or
to take any like I don't expect anyone else to

(02:09:11):
take criticism or baggage from people the same way as
I do, you know, because I like after Winter's Bracket,
I've sat down the stream before, like I went around
and I even told I told Jen and Zero to
their face after Winter's backet, like we barely made it
to find I was like, that was the worst fucking
six games I've ever played with you guys, Like that
was shit. We got lucky, we got gifted his zone,

(02:09:34):
Like you know, we need to play better. And you know,
coming from someone like me, you know, like Zero has
always been like you know, I'm an alpha guy like
blah blah blah blah blah, but like I didn't think about, like,
you know, I'm how he respects me a lot, and
he's gonna take it like the wrong way and he's
gonna like possibly mental boom and to some degree, so

(02:09:55):
like I feel like I can't expect anyone else, like
literally any one else in Apex to like take what
I say and kind of like turn it into like
motivation or anything like that the way I do. And
I feel like that was like the biggest thing I've
learned like on this team so far, as like you know,
there's time and place for me to like say things

(02:10:16):
like that. You know, we're very harsh in scrims. But
then when it comes to land, I have to be
a lot more civil and you know professional. So I
feel like that was like one of the biggest things
that I learned and needed to like understand.

Speaker 1 (02:10:32):
That's awesome, man, that's a pretty big lesson.

Speaker 3 (02:10:35):
I feel like that's like something like like you've kind
of had throughout your whole career.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
That's one of those things where, yeah, I didn't mean
to cut you off, but it's one of those things
that you know, for a long time there had been
people saying, like, he goes over the top for this
reason and for that reason, and so learning how to
deal with the different personalities on the squad, I think
it's just helpful overall and just in continuing your guys'
successes as a team.

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
Yeah, I under said, like it's you know, at the time,
I was like, you know, Zero and Walls, you know
they're gonna or even Jen like, these guys are very
competitive players. I thought, you know, we were always going
out of each other and it was always like high stakes,
you know, high tension and shrims. You know, what's the
big deal if I do it in the tournament? But
tournament's tournament like is way more important, you know, things

(02:11:23):
can be put aside. You know, feelings and emotions could
be put aside. It's not that important obviously you get
your message across, but like doing the right way because
it's land right. You say anything like wrong or too harsh,
it's like it's kind of game over, especially for your
igl right. So, and I kind of like and that

(02:11:43):
also put in the perspective like, you know, when I
do like subbing for other people. You know, when I
was hubbing for other people, when I was I yelling,
I was like, I feel like I was a lot
more civil. I wasn't like so harsh as I usually am,
maybe because I was, you know, getting back into it.
But I kind of get perspective like some people kind
of just need to be baby in a way, and

(02:12:06):
not everyone thinks like me, acts like me, or it
takes you know, ship like you know like me. So
and that's okay, you know it would I would like
it to be like that, but it's not always like that.
So it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
Hear me out start something for teams and then tear
them a new one and scrims and ship like that
and just destroy their mental so that you guys are
up or no one who's gonna not let im a
house sub for them.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
No. I love that. I think that's big. I think
that's big.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
But all right, well, how usually I end every interview
by saying, hopefully the next time we speak to you,
you have another trophy. This is the second time you
showed up to the show with a new trophy. So
I think next time you hop on the show, I
would like for you to have like a flip flop
sponsorship of some kind. I think that's the next big step.

Speaker 6 (02:13:00):
Like I think, I think my flip flops are like
the Tom Hillinger. I think that's I think that's what
it's called. Yeah, they can get on it, or maybe
lacrosse or whatever I think it's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah, lacasse.

Speaker 3 (02:13:15):
Okay, yeah, we got that'd be okay.

Speaker 4 (02:13:17):
Flip it for e w C finals with the assumption
you make it, you bring in the flops back out.

Speaker 6 (02:13:22):
Oh yeah. I was talking to Falcons the other day.
It was like, listen, like you get you better bring
the flops. It's gonna be like forty degrees celsius, like
it's August in the middle of the desert. Like you
better be pulling the flops out and they said they
were like, yeah, we were thinking about pulling flops out
too for you in the audience. We're gonna wear something.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
Now is it? Are you gonna wait till finals for it,
or are you gonna go the whole I.

Speaker 6 (02:13:46):
Think I might just do it for the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
I think that's the point understandable given the circumstances.

Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
Yeah, well, how it's It's always a pleasure having you
on man. Congratulations on another win and hopefully we see
you soon man.

Speaker 6 (02:14:00):
Yeah on the problem. Thank you guys for having me all.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Right, ladies and gents, that was the CEO Imperial how
shout out to Hell for hopping on the pod. Always
great to talk to him. Fantastic person to talk to.
And congratulations to team Falcons boys. Normally we do the
heart to heart here on this section of the show,
but for the first time ever, the apex the podcast

(02:14:25):
were in the flesh all together at one time. I
do have to start it off by saying, hand up,
completely fucked up. Getting Enoch inside the house just absolutely
fucked that up, my bad. I saw he left me
a voicemail. I didn't even want to go back and
listen to it because I was like, damn my phone

(02:14:47):
and it said why it is absolutely selling the bag
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:14:50):
That's my fault. He that's on me. That's on me.
That happens to the best of it. I'm just thankful
I took that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:57):
I'm incredibly thankful I took that third stop to take
a piss because I had to piss again by the
time that I got there, and there was a really
question like questionable looking porta potty outside of this airbnb,
and I was really like, man, I really just don't

(02:15:19):
but if I was, if I have to, I was
going to. And then I like I was waiting out there,
and then I was like, okay, well I'm gonna go
send my car for a little bit. And then I
see Jumba walk down and out the door, and I
just opened my door.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
I'm like jump up, and then I just grabbed my bags,
walked up and then all was well.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
It was It was actually so funny because like, good
thing my ass was getting up. I didn't even have
to be up early that day. I was just getting
up early every day and like, good thing I did.
And then on top of that, like yeah, the way
I found out is he had messaged me on Discord,
but he didn't get the Discord notification that he added.
Me jak why it on Twitter and said, why it

(02:16:02):
is absolutely dropping the ball right now. I was just like,
what does that mean. I'm like, is knock outside to go?
I think Enox outside? And I just walked outside and
I'm like looking around and I think I was about
to go back inside until like you stuck your hand
out the door and shot a jumbo.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:19):
The funniest part was I was I was in the
room with my fiance. She had left, and then she
came back in and she was like, oh, by the way,
Enox here, and I'm just hungover. I'm very hungover at
this point, and I.

Speaker 1 (02:16:31):
Go one beer, the one beer, the one additional beer.

Speaker 2 (02:16:35):
Should he should If I had all the other beers
I had but not that last one, I would have
been fine. In fact, I would have been great, but
I had that one extra one that I shouldn't have had.
And then uh, when I woke up, she was like, oh,
Enox here, by the way, and I was like, oh sick.
And then I turned my phone over and I just
see gluttony of notifications. I'm like, oh god, this one up.

(02:17:00):
I fucked this one up. But no, from your experience,
uh you know, first time meeting the boys, first time
hanging out, how was it?

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
How was the land from your perspective?

Speaker 4 (02:17:12):
Oh dude, the land was amazing, like overall, like canouts
and experience and like being able to spend as much
time with you guys as I was able to, and
like hanging out and like being able to crash on
that little pull out chair at the Airbnb was like
made the land like just overall, like if if I
hadn't done that, it probably wouldn't have been nearly as

(02:17:32):
fun as it was. But getting to hang out with
all you guys and then getting to meet the GMB
boys was also just a great experience and just like
ten out of ten would do again. Yeah, I could
definitely do without getting assaulted by my bignet.

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
A lot of sugar literally, and.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
For people that don't know like I, so like it's
like okay, we're we're we're gonna go get Benyet's before
we head to the to the thing because I don't
think it opened up till two. And like I we
get to Benyet's and it's just covered in powder sugar
and I go to take my first bite and some
like I just accidentally just inhale, some powdered sugar goes

(02:18:17):
straight to the.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
Back of my throat, and I'm just and then just everywhere.
I got it on Connor's back, I got it all
over my shirt, and I'm like, there's just no shot.

Speaker 4 (02:18:29):
I'm about to go meet a bunch of people that
I've been interacting with for five years, and I just
powdered sugar everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
And so thankfully I was able to like get things
in order before that happened.

Speaker 4 (02:18:41):
But just like but I mean, just like from getting
to hang out with you guys beforehand, so then like
everything we were doing after, it was just it was
a great time, and I'm definitely grateful for the experience
that I had.

Speaker 3 (02:18:56):
I wish we got to spend more time together. My
fucking flight I had to be in the morning I loved,
and we still stayed up late. I went to bed
it was probably about four am. First, worried about Burke.
Then Burke gets back and I fight, he's snoring. I
can't get to sleep, had to hit him with a pillow.
I finally get to sleep, and my phone rings at
four forty in the morning, because who was at Wyatt

(02:19:17):
e Connor and there was someone else. There was one
other person whause I locked your asses on the fucking
deck in the morning. I watched you guys all walk
in Connor's Hammer. You guys are all walking in with
your beers drunk, and I'm just wondering why I was
the one that got the phone call. There's thirteen other
people in this airbnb, and I got the phone call
like you got you had your base, your wives there.

(02:19:38):
I got the phone call. Oh no, wait, your fiance left. Shit.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
I was about to take a piss on that deck there.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
I honestly, that's how many beers I had. I did
not even remember we went on the deck till you
mentioned that right now.

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
I did.

Speaker 1 (02:19:53):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 7 (02:19:55):
I I.

Speaker 1 (02:19:58):
He was relaxed, but me and Chris we're gone though
Chris I don't remember. Chris was gone.

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
So when we so the night goes like this, the
the event ends and we're like, hey, we want to
hit Bourbon Street and also I want to get like
a seafood boil. Enoch has some stuff he's got to
like tie up. He's meeting a bunch of people he's
talked to and games with his whole life. So he's
he's doing this and we're off. We're we're doing our thing,
but we're gonna come together at Bourbon Street. So we're

(02:20:24):
we walked down Bourbon Street and we kind of don't
We kind of just don't go in anything. We kind
of just look. And then Chris makes the executive decision.
He's like, I'm walking into this bar and I don't
care if you guys follow me or not. And it
ended up being the greatest decision of the entire trip
because when we walked there, I get inside and I
look out. I'm buying my first beer and Designful is

(02:20:47):
outside and I'm like, that's design.

Speaker 3 (02:20:51):
With him. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 (02:20:54):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (02:20:55):
So Design walks up and I go, hey man, I
don't know if you remember me, and before I can
finish my set, and he goes shut the fuck up,
and he like dapts me up and he's like, what's up, man,
how are you doing? I was like, I'm doing good.
I'm doing great. I was like, hey man, I really
enjoyed having you on the show. You were one of
my favorite interviews. You mind if I get a picture
with you, He's like, for sure. So I hand the
phone to my fiance, one of the GMB boys, Kyle

(02:21:17):
is behind her while she's taking the picture. Now, Kyle's
watched Design for a lot, like one of his favorite
Apex guys, but he's never met him at all, never
talked to him, never interacted with him whatsoever. Me and
Design are taking the picture, you know, I got the
peace signs up like we're taking the pic, and in
the middle of the picture, Design just flips Kyle off,
like he just looks straight and his eye flips him

(02:21:39):
off and just starts laughing. And then Kyle just starts laughing.
They dap each other up. They've never met, they don't
know each other. Design just flipped him off. It was
one of the funniest things I've ever seen. And then
I just talked to Design the whole night was he
was having a good time, and so I I don't
want to leak anything, so I'm not going to say
anything more, but it was Design. Design's a guy, he's

(02:22:02):
he's he's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
So there was that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
And then as me and Chris were in this bar,
there was they had a live band and it was awesome.
They were playing straight bangers. Now, at one point, there
was this guy who just decided he was going to
stand on the stage and stage dive directly into everybody.
He just wanted to jump into everybody, and he does it.

Speaker 3 (02:22:25):
Chris a very tall stage by the way, too, like
he very small. He had to jump for a ton
of air if he did that. I wasn't there at
this moment, but that stage was like a foot hot,
so he would have had to literally leap on top
of people. That's fucked.

Speaker 2 (02:22:38):
Yeah, So he tries to just dive in, uh, and
Chris blocks him off, and then the guy tries to
fight Chris, his friends hold him back, they kick him
out of the bar.

Speaker 1 (02:22:47):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:22:48):
Edoch comes probably a couple hours later, and at this point,
me and Chris are in one and apparently Chris described
this entire situation only using APEX terms.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
Like he walked up and he was like, I this
guy tried to rev jump on me and I do.

Speaker 2 (02:23:05):
And he's just using like all of these apex terms
to describe a very simple situation he could.

Speaker 1 (02:23:10):
Have described with regular terms. But that's just the GMB boys.

Speaker 4 (02:23:14):
And he told me, he told that story like a
couple of times he said, was a couple of times,
just tell me the story, and he's time.

Speaker 3 (02:23:23):
I was like, oh really, I like what it's like.

Speaker 5 (02:23:27):
A kid telling the story.

Speaker 6 (02:23:28):
Bro. It's just like, oh my god, no way, I.

Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
Mean that whole that whole event afterwards, like because I
didn't show up there till like one and like you
guys were just out of it in one. I wish
there's one video should we put the clip of like
why it dancing? Because honestly, that ship is probably my
favorite thing I've ever watched. I'm so glad we had it.
We were dancing for one moment like Jay wants to leave,

(02:23:52):
was like, but why it's been begging me to dance?
I haven't drank that much to like be in that movie.
I was like, I'll do it. When when am I
gonna get to be dancing on on Bourbon Street with
the boys. So I get out there and the funny
thing is we're all vibing and stuff like that. But
why it just does what his body wants to do.
And so everything was like kind of like everything was
kind of like good until like you started hitting one move.

(02:24:13):
I look over at Ange and I'm like, what is
he doing. She's like, I got no fucking idea, and
we're just killing ourselves laughing. And then I hear the
guy with the mic going, don't worry about what other
people think, just dance. I'm like, wait, is he watching
us and like casting us right now? Because like I
also heard before, like him saying like, yeah, I get it,
do something. I didn't know he was talking about us,

(02:24:34):
and then after he started, like really, I realized he
was talking about us. When we started laughing about you
were doing something like leg kick thing like out like dude, yeah, yeah,
I wish I had that video. No, you just you
just got low and like you started like got your
leg out and it looked like you were like a
dog like doing the doing the fire or a fire

(02:24:55):
hydron piss.

Speaker 2 (02:24:56):
That's my number one thing when I really don't know
what to do with my body on the dance floor
is I just start shimming like this a lot and
then I start kicking legs out.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
So it's like, you know, it's just kind of a
thing that I do. But it was. It was great.
It was we met a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:25:10):
It just happened to be the Apex Bar I guess
like because uh, Slayer walked in, talked to Slayer a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):
Uh Nasky walked in. We obviously I had was there.

Speaker 3 (02:25:21):
Vine Vain basically I met this guy Zetto like, yeah,
like everyone was there. I saw, I saw I think
it was nags As I saw walk in. Yeah, everyone
was there.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
Yeah, it was a great time.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:37):
It was great. I wish Don was there, but but
Don was. Don was chilling.

Speaker 5 (02:25:40):
We're not going to talk about that story for down.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
No, it was great.

Speaker 6 (02:25:47):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
It was a great time. Overall.

Speaker 2 (02:25:49):
Everything was perfect, and I do want to take some
time to shout out all the listeners who walked up
and said hello, uh and and said what's up?

Speaker 6 (02:25:56):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:56):
There was another cool story too. You know obviously there's
like Enox for event.

Speaker 2 (02:26:00):
We're in the we had to go back to change
shirts because obviously we had the debacle with the Beye.

Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
So we're changing the shirts.

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
We get in, we get all the way back over
there and uh, we step out of the we step
out of the the uber and I just hear in
the line is like, is that you know a A
And then Enock he's like he waves at him, he
looks at me, He's like, that was cool. I was like,
you're gonna get a lot more of that, Like, there's
gonna be there's gonna be a lot more.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (02:26:26):
It was awesome to meet everybody, take pictures, you know,
just talking with all the listeners and knowing that you know,
what we do people really enjoy and they listen to
and they have a good time and and it gets
them through their work week.

Speaker 1 (02:26:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:26:39):
It always feels great, man. So I just wanted to
shout out the listeners. It was awesome. There. There was
a moment where I had left the venue and I
showed up at this random Buffalo Bills bar. Don't know
why it was Buffalo Bills, but we walked inside and
immediately there was like like a a like table of
listeners are like, oh, that's why. And I came up
and we talked apex for literally forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:27:01):
Like it was.

Speaker 2 (02:27:02):
It's just one of those surreal experiences where you know,
we're just I'm just recording this in my garage right now,
but for you guys to go out there listen to
it and say what's up?

Speaker 1 (02:27:10):
It was awesome, man. So I just want to shout
yo yo you guys out.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
No, absolutely, there's a there's a ton of people. I
was absolutely surprised and like in a in a in
a happy way because like again like sometimes we do
this and it's hard, like we obviously have the comments,
but like you can't tell like how much you're connecting
with people. And everyone that came up to me and
was like love what you guys do on the pod,
and that was pretty crazy for how many people came up.

(02:27:35):
I was like, wow, that it shows me something like
and yeah, shot with those people. There's some people who
are so excited to see us. So it's just like
I feel like a random, normal dude. So I see
these people get that excited. It's like shocking, but it
feels cool to know that, Like we're we're doing a
lot here for the community, and I hope we get
another na Land next year because that's where we get
to meet most you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
Yeah, that's where we get to do it. Also, somebody
shouted out the throw shot.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
That was like, that's what I'm saying. There was the
guy that shouted out the throw like, which is from
our zombies podcast, Like what like that was wed. But
I also feel like it's in heart to heart, so
like I don't know how people get to heart to
heart and sit through our entire conversation about zombies. So
like the fact that a guy brought that up, like

(02:28:21):
from months ago, and like he the way he goes
and he's like, yo, why he's asking us spoke for
a picture and everything like that, and then he's like,
nice throw by the way, and me and why are
like why. It's kind of like, ah, thanks, right, we
don't know talking about exactly, and he goes in zombies
or he's like in trains it and we're like he
fucking brought up.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
The throw, Oh my god, the throat and then too was.

Speaker 2 (02:28:45):
I had like a couple of listeners walk up and
they like I, I'm not the type of guy where
I just like take a picture and walk away. I
want to ask you, like what your team, like, what
team you're rooting for. I want to ask you, like
what you think about the event, all this different kind
of stuff. I ended up sitting with three or four
listeners on on Saturday. I was just sitting with them.

(02:29:05):
I was like, you can like just sit right here
and let's just watch it together, Like fuck it like yeah, yeah,
like that's that's my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
So it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:29:13):
Man, don ed you guys have anything you guys wanted
to round it out with before we close out the show?

Speaker 5 (02:29:19):
I mean yeah, just basically thank you guys for everything.
I mean, I was even getting people excited to see me,
which is wild since I'm not still not used.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
To this shit yet.

Speaker 5 (02:29:28):
But no, it was just a great time. I mean,
obviously working with the boys now over at Omit and
then just on a personal side with like one hundred
and sixty team guides, Like I had a ton of
people saying thank you for doing that, and even had
the casters sign a card and say thank you for
the work and everything that got put into that, And

(02:29:48):
it was kind of funny. There was a running joke
when I was watching mainstage every time they even referenced
something that might have resembled the guides out, just like yep,
that's the guts, that's the guts. But it's like it's
a joke kind of, but like it's just cool to
see the work being appreciated because that's really what we
all do, you know, the day is trying to put
out content that people enjoy, whether that's just a fan

(02:30:09):
or ends up being the casters or whoever and ends
up finding the content useful. So yeah, I just really
appreciative of what this year has been from LA to now.
And uh yeah, just big shout outs to U three
two for the support of everything and doing all this,
and yeah to shout out to everybody else that listens
and likes what we like what we have to offer,

(02:30:29):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:30:30):
Hell yeah baby, he yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:30:34):
I mean, I just I've I've never practiced my eenoch
segnature and so definitely might have to do a little
bit more of that for like the next time. But
it was just like pretty like like surreal, just having
like so many different people that come up and talk
to me and just being like excited to meet me
and like wanted me to like I signed a controller,
a couple of shirts, some posters.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
And just like the fact that like people like wanted
that is like pretty crazy to me.

Speaker 4 (02:31:04):
And I'm just glad that I can have like a
positive impact on some people out there, because like I
understand that, especially in the APEX community, I'm not everybody's
favorite streamer, but the fact that there are people out
there that I am is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
Yeah, man, it was awesome. It was a great event.

Speaker 2 (02:31:22):
Shout out to the open awesome having all the boys there,
Awesome being able to watch all that and and and
hang out with everybody. And for the first time ever,
we got the apex of podcast in person. So shout
out to uh to all the boys for making and
pulling and pulling through ladies and gents that I was.

Speaker 3 (02:31:39):
I was actually going to say too, because I feel
like we didn't mention it, like even shut out we
had all the friends there, like like we had like
the whole GMB boys out there. Then like obviously Connor
like like uh like I honestly, yeah, more was there.
I'm trying to think, like, like you know, like it
was just it's pretty cool because, like, you know, we've
spent so much time on Discord and me because of

(02:32:00):
my time zone in East Coast, Like I feel like
I even miss out on talking with some of these guys, right,
Like I don't get to talk to Brian that often,
and I hear all these stories about Brian how much
you guys be with him, and then like Brian was
kind of a vibe the entire week. He tried to
get under my skin a few times and pulled this
Brian shit you guys talk about, but unfortunately he failed
miserably because the leaves were doing good.

Speaker 6 (02:32:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:32:22):
And then like other times, he tried to take shots
at me and like wrong, like you're still talking about
the wrong thing, Brian, So like yeah, like like like
you know, that was just a vibe. And then we
talked about so many of the listeners and supporters, but
also there was a lot of like pro players or
like competitors in the scene that came up to me
and were like, yo, love your videos. A little at
June came up and brought up the pod and I
was like, that's always fucking cool too, because like sometimes

(02:32:44):
I think these guys don't give a shit about what
I do. When they come up constantly and they're all
hyped out about that, it's always sick to see. So yeah,
uh love the na Lands for that, because you know,
I get to see all these people sometimes that like
the the international ones, but the Ana ones are special
because it feels like we get everyone around there.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
So yeah, no, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:33:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
There was one of my uh, one of the guys
who came with us, my one of my coworkers Matt
he Ja.

Speaker 3 (02:33:09):
We also forgot to mention J. Sorry because I said
GMB boys and then I said Connor Moore and forgot Jay.

Speaker 1 (02:33:15):
I forgot. Yeah, Jay is like kind of he's in
there to be fair.

Speaker 3 (02:33:20):
I see Jay like every single time we stay together
and everything like that. So Jay knows he gets a
shot up. I know J wants a specific shuttle. So
here you are, j.

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
Shadow Jay.

Speaker 2 (02:33:30):
It was cool because you mentioned the players. Uh, we
were leaving like heading back. We were in the line
at t s A and Matt asked Guild for a
picture and Guild was like, are you the guy from
the podcast. I was like, yeah, dude, we need to
get you back on. We didn't we didn't have video
the last time we had you on. We got to
ask about your controller and how if you drop it
five inches from the table, you gotta get a new one,

(02:33:52):
and he was like yeah for sure. I was like,
hell yeah, baby, So we'll try to get Guild back on.
Shout out Guild, Well, ladies and gents, that should just
about do it. For this week's episode of The Apex
The Podcast once again shout out to Apex Legends for
being the best game and Shout out to the ALGs
for being the best league. It was awesome, The Open
was great, and hopefully have a lot more awesome events

(02:34:13):
like that coming up in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:34:15):
We got two more coming throughout the year, so.

Speaker 2 (02:34:17):
We're gonna have We're gonna be locked on all APEX
stuff moving forward. Shout out to everybody who said what's up.
Shout out to everybody who said what's up? Said hello,
and thank you guys for tuning in and listening. As always,
we will catch you guys next week for another episode
of The Apex the Podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:34:34):
See y'all.

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