Episode 127: TSM Panic + Regional Final Preview & Predictions

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone? Welcome back to another edition of the
Apex the Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. We are headed into
the regional finals coming up in just one week. We
also have an awesome interview with Panic from TSM, and
then we've got the Heart to Heart. But we've got
a lot to get to here. We have some drama,
We've got some Apex, We've got all the things headed

(00:36):
up into the regional final, getting you ready for all
of the different formats and all the things that are
going to be taking place in what you need to
know heading into the regional final.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And that should just about do the show before I
do it.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Jumba, your eyes are looking a little red here. Do
you have a weed addiction going on?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Buddy?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
What's going on over here?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
What can't kick it? Coaching too much on that?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, we had some drama this week, boys, had we
had some drama this week starring our boy Nasky, friend
of the program. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you interviewed him.
I don't know if I was there for that interview,
but we've had him on the show before. A little
bit of a little bit of a crazy situation with
Nasky and Raven but we also had Nasky on a
crazy bounce back and jump by. I know you had

(01:23):
kind of gone through the entire situation, but I just
wanted to talk about that one really quick because I
know normally we cover mostly na in the beginning portion
of the show, but this was too big of a
story to not talk about here.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Let me pull it up here, Let me pull it
up here. I didn't realize we were starting right with this,
even though I know you funny enough. You told me
that we were going to start right with this. So
let me just get my whole breakdown because I wrote
it out in point form and I'm gonna have to
read it right off my notes here so I don't
mess up this story because it needs to be told
in its glorious fashion in my opinion, right, So let's

(01:58):
go through this completely real quick. So the Nasky storyline,
so Ronan had been playing with Nasky, not for the
whole split. After the open, the vibes seem good. They
were gonna qualification position. Everything seemed great, and NASCAR was
tweeting out a lot of positive things too, so it
sounded like they were getting along.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
Well.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
They have a bad day on their second last day
of Pro League and they get twelve. That drops them
into a chopping block position eighth place. EMBA qualification for
regional or not regional finals FORWC is only eighth place.
All of a sudden, Nasky gets dropped by MG clutch.
They can't work it out. It blows up the timeline.
He's like, what the hell just happened? And honestly people

(02:39):
are freaking out too, because it was two days before
roster lock, right, there's not enough time for another team
to pick him up because they've locked in their squads,
and then like, yeah, he's basically fucked. But what this
also does is the way Champs points now work is
it's from Pro League Open, the mid season playoffs, second
split of Pro League all accumulates, and he didn't do

(03:01):
great at the Open, not getting I don't know exactly
how it works.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think him not being on a team at the end.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Of the split means he wouldn't get points from Split
one Pro League, and then he's not gonna go to
e WC, so you only have Split two Pro League,
and that basically means that he's not going to get
into uh the Champs when we have it whatever, whenever
it's happening. And on top of all that, I'm just
trying to think of, like what I was saying with

(03:27):
the points, I didn't have that part here unfortunately. Oh yes,
So like a team might not even pick him up
for Split two Pro League because he's not gonna have
a lot of points and it's gonna hurt their chances
of getting to Champs after because each individual player carries the.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Point threshold, it's not by the team anymore.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Then on Wednesday, the morning of rosterlock ten K comprising
of Kashera, post Kill and G Dolphin mutually a.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Very new pickup to add for clarify cases whatever. They
did have one match.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Okay, okay, I wasn't sure how many match days it was,
so I didn't put that in my It was very recent.
It was very recent, and even them, they seemed like
they were excited and good to go. But at the
same time they mutually decided between just G Dolphin and
to Cashera it wasn't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
They just butt heads too much on iglling.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
They were at eighteenth, so they weren't even safe for
qualifatifying for regionals and they only had two pro per
league days left. So to be very clear, G Dolphins
said he was okay with the situation. He didn't want
to torch their chance of calling, so he agreed to
step down. He wasn't screwed over in this, and he said,
go get Nasky mid scrim. Mid scrim, I think they
played two games and all of a sudden, Nasky jumps

(04:38):
into ten K and they say that they're gonna go
for a crazy attempt to get ten K to make
it into regional finals and hopefully e WC Saturday, second
last day of PL. They're in third place, they've won
two games. In the final game, they may possibly not
make it in right, it's really tough. They're top three

(04:58):
and it looks like they're gonna have to play for
second instead, they huge clutch it up. They win, They
get three wins, which gets them an extra point plus
first place.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
They get twenty six points.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
They're now I think like two places behind Ronan, who
that's their last day because they get that day they
get eighth, and then on Sunday they get fifth.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Ronan doesn't play that day.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
They officially jump Ronan to be in a qualification position
for EWC. They've now gone from eighteenth to fifth where
they're actually even now in regionals and feeling kind of
comfortable about that, and Ronan's on the shopping block.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
They're in tenth place.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
We'll have to see what happens this week in the
regional finals. But it is the craziest like vengeance story
for the boys over at ten K and especially Nasky.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy to watch, Like
it was one of those situations. And I know, don
you're locked into just about every single second of APEX
that's ever been existed ever when you're sitting there watching
that and you're and you're saying, like, holy shit, there's
a chance not only do they jump, not only do
they make regionals, but there's a chance they could just
qualify for this thing.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Like what was going through your head?

Speaker 7 (06:02):
Yeah, it's just it's just crazy, right.

Speaker 8 (06:04):
You hear all these notes that he's talking about, you know,
the adding to one team getting drop by another, the
whole Orger situation that went down, Like there's just so
many things that are stacked up against them, right, And
that just seems to have been his story for these
past you know, year, year and a half is year
year and a half or so and to somehow find
his way to Cashera and post Skill, which I know

(06:27):
it's not the greatest situation, but like what a duo
to stumble into, you know.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
What I mean.

Speaker 8 (06:32):
Like you're talking about guys that are very accomplished in
the region, are very accomplished in the whole global scale
of Apex, and then to just somehow put it all
together in two days. You go win a match day, like,
what in the hell is twenty twenty five Apex bringing us?
Man Like, it was such a cool thing to watch,
and yeah, I was definitely tuned in the whole time.

(06:52):
And then to see them back it up the next
day and be in position where they are now, it's
just it's it's awesome, man, Like, you know, it may
not have the greatest journey to get there, but we're
here now, and I mean they legitimately have a shot
of being at midseason playoffs.

Speaker 7 (07:06):
It's awesome to see.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, it's just one of the wilder stories that we've
seen in Apex so far, happening over in eme Ea
and Nasky. He's doing the damn thing. He is doing
the damn thing, And I will say too when we
went to La extremely entertaining player to watch, like just
extremely entertaining there. There's maybe some points where it was
a little bit too much entertainment, but that's what we like.
You know at the end of the day that those

(07:29):
are the moments you remember and crazy story, crazy story
coming out of out of EMBA. Boys, I say we
move on down to NA talk about our America's region.
Me and Donnie will cover more in the regional roundup
when we go through all the three other regions. As
we get ready for EWC, let's kick it off with Saturday.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That was a versus C and that was Team Liquid
taking the day.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
They were first.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Second place was TSM, a third was Falcons in Flat,
right outside of the top three by just a few points. Boys,
this was a wild day and we're gonna talk a
little bit to panic here in a little bit from
Team TSM. But there was that one game that really
stood out to me was that one zone JUMPA and
you had mentioned it before. I did not think TSM

(08:17):
had any chance winning that game, and they somehow have
the patience to pull it out.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Just incredible, incredible plays and it just shows the the
potential with this roster, because we've seen TSM have some
really bad days leading up to this, but then it
shows like, hey, if they lock in, things can be
completely different, and they can they can make a name
for themselves here.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean like Panic didn't even play I think the
first two games because his power went out, and then
game three he joins in, they win, and he even
says the end, he's like, oh, finally, when I hopped
in here and they were frying that game too. They
were fragging out playing from Edge on storm Point there.
It's a pretty far zone for them too, all the
way from l Rod. I can't remember exactly where, and
it was somewhere south though, like on the southeast of

(09:01):
the map I believe anyways. But then yeah, there's that
specific zone. And the thing that impressed me the most
is Panic as a young kid and the way he
was calming and calling these zones. We talked about it
a little bit in our interview when it comes up
here we had him on just before, but he basically
says his experience with the Orchid, like, you know, they
were such a hard zone team that he memorized all
the zones and he sees this neon square one and

(09:22):
there's not that many, to be fair. He even says
it in the thing, but like he knew exactly where
to go and what building the play and that it
worked out for them. So really impressive showing from TSM that,
you know, starting off with the rocky day to get second,
and you know that's that's huge for them.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
There's six overall right.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now, Now, don from your perspective on this Saturday, there
was a lot of different storylines you could talk about here,
but one that stood out from you personally looking at Saturday.

Speaker 8 (09:48):
I mean, it's gotta be liquid, right, I mean, to
be in the position where they were there basically on
the cuffs of not even qualifying a regional finals, potentially
may not even be in Pro League with how far
down they were it took they had to at least
get a minimum about a seventh or eighth place based
on where the points cut off. The ended up being
to even just make the regional final, but then to

(10:11):
go and actually clutch up and win the match day.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
I mean, just.

Speaker 8 (10:15):
Absolutely hats off to these guys because it's definitely been
quite the struggle in recent times for them. Definitely haven't
had a great pro league so far, but especially in
the last couple of games, clutching up in game five
with the win and then getting some important points in
game six to kind of close out their day. It
was just an incredible performance for them. I was really

(10:36):
happy to see that because I definitely think a lot
of people are big fans of Liquid and love to
see Yanya go back with that roster. But they didn't
really click right away, and you're wondering, oh, is there
really anything left with this trio? Is this potentially gonna
be it? Do they not really have what it takes
anymore to get back to the top level. And then,
like I said, you know, they come out they end

(10:58):
up doing extremely well on this match day with the win,
Nazul with fifteen kills and Yanya with thirteen. I mean
just it was a great storyline to watch, a really
good job on them to recover something and put themselves
even in somewhat a position to qualify.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
I think now they're they're.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Within the top sixteen right now, so there's still a
lot to play foreign regional finals is I know, we'll
get to like how that's going to work later on,
but it's yeah, it's just an incredible form. It's incredible
story and really really happy for the boys who were Liquid.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Now everybody was rooting for Liquid, yeah, because like to
have Yanna come back and then like the rough start
when that squad did like joined back together.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
To see them like showing like.

Speaker 9 (11:43):
The level that they can play at but hadn't had
the opportunity to showcase yet, it was.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
It was really great to see.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
And it's kind of worked out for all parties there,
Curve goes over to Nip, right, I'm not messing that
up yet, Like they have been doing so amazing and
now they're sitting and forth overall pro Like you know
sometimes when you see like a guy who came in
with Liquid and you know like kind of was trying
to fill the big shoes there with Yanna. They were
together for so long and like it felt like it

(12:10):
was kind of rocking for them. But now like you know,
he's moved on to teams and fourth they've won their
day and they're making a comeback. A lot of clutch
ups and a lot of positive stories coming out this week.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy you bring up Nip and
it's weird because you say out louder like they're sitting
forth overall right now, and it's just such a weird
thing because even before they were NIP, it just didn't
feel like they were having like those days where you
would consider them a team in the upper echelon of
the America's region. They kind of felt like those twelve
to seventeen range teams, right But here they are and

(12:42):
they bring in Koreb and like you said, it's working
out for them and they have really good days on
this day. It wasn't like, you know, the most flashy
win or whatever it was. But another team that's very
similar to them too once again is Rock. Rock continues
to impress and perform once again. Both those team I
think they were both fifth and six respectively on this

(13:03):
on this match match day, Yeah, they were fifth and
six and IP and fifth Rock and sixth. But these
two teams are what I think a lot of people
would have expected to be that mid tier range teams.
But they've been performing out of their minds. So it's
been really fun to watch. E. Did you have anything
else from this particular day other than Team Liquid that
you wanted.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
To talk about.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I see Flat and fourth and that point you made
last week we're on any given day, Like these teams
are good enough to be able to just perform and
and go from what you would consider maybe you know,
fifteenth and lower to you know, sitting in a in
a top four.

Speaker 9 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean Flat is definitely making a strong run
as well. Like they definitely they didn't I don't believe
they had the strongest start to their Pro League split,
but these last few days that they've been playing, they've
been really bringing it together. And this is a team
that has made I believe, multiple lands in the past
and has been signed to a few different ords, and

(13:57):
so I think that they have a strong chance to
make it to EWC. And if that's the case, then
it's going to be fun to see them in that
environment and see if they can really elevate their game
as they get more and more experience as a team together.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Yeah, And I've just been really impressed by Quesier with
them so far, Like he's done a really good job
of coming into that roster as Big Louis and Nano
have been, you know, kind of an established duo for
a while, Quser comes in.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
He's the young guy.

Speaker 8 (14:24):
A lot of people kind of talked about him as
being one of those names I could probably you know,
work his way up in the upper echelon off the
top players of APEX at some point, just with how
much talent he's kind of shown at a young age already.
And for them to come out get fourth, I mean,
they're right on the cuffs which of qualifying for midseason playoffs,

(14:44):
and I don't think a lot of people would have
thought this team would be in position to you know,
be in this spot to where a lot of it
is within their control. So it isn't going to necessarily
take a you know, regional finals miracle for them to qualify.
They are right there on the verge, and I think
it it's definitely a huge shout out to them. Like
he said, didn't really get off to the greatest start

(15:04):
during Pro League, but they've definitely found some forum as
of late, and it'll be very interest to see if
they can maybe make that one final leap and get
into that top sixteen.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Now I'm gonna well before we move on from flat,
like Quzier, he's been playing like that guy is nuts.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 9 (15:24):
Like I forget what rank split it was, but there
was one rank split where they last second put together
rank squad of him Kemchi and then I forget who
their third was, and they beat everybody on the race
to pred and that boy CUZI is an incredibly talented player.
And so he actually was with like he's a fairly

(15:45):
new addition to the team in regards to like being
picked back up, but he was with the team previously
and then left Flat in order to go play with
Designful an enemy. They unfortunately did not have the best
of runs and then so then Quzier then goes back

(16:05):
to Flat and so definitely has taken them a little
bit of time to get it, to get.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
That team chemistry flowing again.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
But they definitely, as Johnny said, like they are more
than capable of making it into EWC. Like I would say, dude,
it is just crazy that it's top sixteen games.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
That's what I was gonna say. Well, like you know,
I always want to give you their flowers and I
don't want to see that it seem like I'm discrediting them.
And even Cusier, he's been thrown around a bunch, and
you know when he was with Designing them, I don't
think he was the problem on that team.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Like I think he filled his role.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Well, So, like, I don't want to discredit what you
guys are saying, but we're talking about top sixteen teams here,
and they're on the cutting bugs. So as much as
that is like impressive that they're heut here, it's just
it's a much easier land the problem.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Sure, for sure, there's a lot of.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
People out here who wouldn't be making top sixteen, and
there's a few of them in let's call it right here.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I would not I'm not saying I'm better that. I'm
not saying I'm better. I would never put myself above
I I did have a TDM tournam where I played
with Nano though, and we did kind of like drop off.
I think I dropped like eight less kills than him.
I just want to I'm just kidding. But anyways, but
either way, I'm just saying top sixteen. You know, we're

(17:22):
going to regional finals this weekend, and only four teams
from that regional final are not going to make EWC.
It's gonna be one of the less intense things we
see because, like you know, if we're talking about other
reasons like EMBA, it's top eight. That's a lot more
intense of trying to like make it into that squeezing point.
I think that I saw Privacy had posted and I
could pull it up on the Twitter here really quickly.

(17:44):
But Privacy posted that the cutoff should realistically be around
for NA. It should be around seventy one to seventy four.
That's what the cutoff should be. There is a zero
point zero's zero one chance that it's an eighty four cutoff. Yeah,

(18:05):
that'd be fucking wild if somehow we got that. Yeah,
but so seventy one to seventy four, which means you
know they would need roughly what place how many points
do they have?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Well, if that actually is still they're fifty eight, that's
actually still quite a jump if it's if you know,
to seventy four. So they'll still let their work cut
out for them, because you know, there are four other
teams and not bad ones either, like Orchid lg CT
who are trying to get in there. Call me a
hater for throwing it out, but yeah, we're talking the
top sixty.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so anything else boys on Saturday before
we move into Sunday and and then we'll move into
regional final and kind of talking about what we need
to expect for this one here. Anything else? All good?
All right, let's move into Sunday real quick. Sunday, the
winner was Ninja's in Pajamas. We just talked about them
a second ago. They continue their dominance with another good performance.

(18:58):
They're winning the day one hundred thieves and second, uh
AGG in third and CT in fourth. Now, as badly
as I do want to talk about some of the
teams at the top, I do think we need to
talk about some of the teams at the bottom. And
the one that sticks out to me the most is
Vertus Pro. Now, this was a team that we were
talking about heavily at the beginning portion of this season,
before the open, and they.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Have fallen off of a cliff.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And it honestly pains me to see because I talked
about them so much that I'm carrying that burden with
me at all times.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think it's my fault. I talked about them so much,
so hard.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
And then got zach on the next week. It could
be I've heard, like some rumblings in the media that
there has been disputes about lag that might have been
the thing that is, Yeah, I don't know, just talked
about lags. He brought up the lag again. Either way, Yeah,

(19:55):
I was afraid that that's US.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I've been looking at that.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
I was like, damn, because.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's not gonna want to come on the pod.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because at one point, I think right before the open,
they were literally in first place.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
They were in first place.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Right now they're currently sitting at fifteenth and their last
few point totals have been abysmal. They had a two
point a one point, they did have a fourteen point,
but then they had a seven mixed in there, so
it has not been good. It's actually been very difficult,
And the worst part was I think at that time
they had like a day in hand, and it's still
kind of gone this way. So I don't know what
exactly is happening with VP. I haven't been able to

(20:28):
sit down and get in there. But if this is
the case, we are getting kind of like the full
Zach Maser experience, where I could see them literally winning
the regional final like that just seems like something that
would happen. Just having just abysmal days, bouncing back winning
the entire damn thing and looking unbeatable. That's just something
that happens with VP. Don do you know, you can

(20:49):
you pinpoint what's going on with vertis Pro.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
I mean a lot of just like when I tuned
in and seeing you know, some of the issues I've
come up, it just really seems like it's very much
just not be on the same page when it comes
to decision making, whether it's you know, where they want
to push, you know, in terms of taking a fight,
or where they want to go in terms of the rotation.
And there's also been some other times they just have

(21:14):
taken a rotation have ended up in a really really
poor spot. I know, there's a Stormpoint game for example,
they try to rotate through the ocean on the backside
of Colestal to try to get into the backside of
Echo HQ, and quite a few teams have already gotten
into Colestal and kind of help them out and really
slow down their rotate. So I really think it's definitely
been a multitude of things. But the biggest thing that

(21:35):
I know, what I've seen a zach Maser team struggle
in the past has been a really big breakdown when
it comes to their team fighting and their comms within
their team fighting, And so I just think right now,
like they just really need to get back to their
basics of what got them here, and it's it's going
to be really interesting to see if they can figure

(21:56):
it out. Obviously we've seen that they're very very capable
of doing that. But obviously when you've had an eighteenth
place and then a nineteenth place, what what do you
feel like then going into the most important match day
of the split so far? Right, So we'll be we'll
be very interesting to see. There'll be someone you've definitely
keep an eye on, you know, and one of those
few teams like you know, like we mentioned, maybe not

(22:18):
as much drama at the top because obviously you know
there's gonna be so many teams qualified, but definitely those spots,
you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, really on the way down.
It's gonna be very interesting. And it's always got to
remind people that the regional final winner is guaranteed to
go to mid season playoffs. So if you're seventeen through
twenty in points, but you win, that then takes the

(22:39):
points to top fifteen. So that's another thing that these
teams like to keep an eye on, is that it
may not even be sixteen in points.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
It could be fifteen in points.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
So there's a lot of things these teams got to
keep their eyes on, and versus Pro is definitely one
of them since they're so far down the leaderboard.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah. Now, another team that snuck in here was LG
Luminosity Gaming. They bounced back. They I believe they got
a fifth place on this day. And what sucks for
them as at one point they were winning I think
with like two games remaining, I think they were in
first place and they were doing really well and they
just couldn't close it out. Those would have been vital points.
I don't think it would have gotten them at you know,

(23:13):
obviously where they wanted to be a team like LG.
Before the season had started, we're thinking that they're going
to be one of the top I don't know, six
to seven teams, and they just haven't had those performances
that we've seen from them in the past. But they
do squeak in there. They're able to get into that
regional final, and they did seem to be having like
a much better commun like it just seemed like their

(23:35):
entire performance was a lot better moving forward. And this
is a team that I would not be surprised. It's
one of those that you could see winning a regional final.
Now that is a tall task for any team in
this lobby. But down from your perspective on LG once again,
they kind of get into the spot where they have
a chance.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Here, what are you seeing from LG right now?

Speaker 8 (23:57):
Yeah, I was definitely really looking into it because I
so you see the players that you know, whether it's
the iteration with Sauces the IGL and now Nocturnal is
the IGL, Like what really is that thing that could
be holding them back right now?

Speaker 7 (24:10):
And when I was actually looking.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
Through the stats of in the entire Pro League, one
thing I actually found really interesting is that if I
get this pulled up correctly, they're actually, if you obviously
discount complexity since they didn't play the full split, they're
in the bottom five in total kills. And as much
as we talk about you know, zone teams, you know,
pick it up points, you know, getting you know, first, second,

(24:32):
third is always great. If you're not getting kills along
with it, you definitely can fall down the leader board
very quickly, and I think that's been the problem with
LG and a lot of their matchdays. It's like, yes,
they'll get some of these top placements, but they don't
have the kills to back it up. Because even with
this day, they yes, they get forty nine points overall,
but only fourteen of those come from kills. And that

(24:54):
is a very tough play style to always bank on,
because as good as Nocturnal obviously was calling zones and
stuff like that, he's done it long enough. Those ring fours,
those fives, the final circle are so unpredictable because you
can't get that knowledge normally right, so you know, at
best you're getting ring three, But with a lot of
those zone teams, they're only able to get ring two

(25:14):
because they're trying to get into the zone before you
even say ring three. So it's a play style that
you're definitely banking on some luck in RNG at times.
But we will we'll hopefully see them continue to make
good zone calls, but then maybe hopefully pick up a
few more kills along the way to maybe get them
up into that top three when it comes to the
overall places.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I'm going to sound like such a hater this podcast,
and like you're sweeping every front of their feet. But
even this match day, from what I understood, I didn't
watch the full match day I was rebuilding my sister's backyard.
But then I came home and I got to catch
the sixth game and I tune in to Jayhawks broadcast
and he goes NLG dies and I said something like, well,

(25:56):
what's going on? And Jay just goes So I am
going to throw j under the bus.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Here.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
He says, they got like four zones and they were like,
you know, first place, winning every game, and then this
game they didn't get zone.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
They died first.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
So and that's what dropped in down to six. I
just put Jay on the spot. I don't even know
if he said that. Now maybe I maybe that was
wait actually either way, all I know is that's what
I heard happened during the day. I didn't bother view
the rest of it, but I will say that if
that's how they're like, if it was a good day,
obviously great gets them into regional finals. Now they have
one chance to you know, really make it happen, and

(26:28):
they gonna find a way that Like, they can't just
rely on the RNG, uh, you know, of their poy
and everything like that. They're not gonna have is their
pro league. How does the seating work? Does it go
by their pro league placement for regional finals do we
know or is it?

Speaker 6 (26:42):
I'm not sure how it works.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
But you just a hater, bro, Yeah, I know, like
a hater. They just can't rely on their RNG.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
They're not gonna have the best seating if it does
go by the region or their pro league placements.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
But like we also did said, they're you know, at
least in that bottom half, they're probably the most experienced
team there. So if there's any team I think will
find a way to clutch it up and get in to,
you know, the EWC qualification, I think it's gonna be
LG once again.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Another situation where I talked up the shit out a
LG before the season had started, and uh, yeah, it's
it's not looking I it's not not looking good for me,
which is gonna make this next thing even more painful
if this doesn't come to be. I'm gonna talk about
Sentinels real quick, boys, because I watched every single Sentinels game.
I am part of sen City. I they've dropped a

(27:29):
hockey jersey. I didn't even know about it until after
I was already part of sen City. But I'm a
Sentinels guy. I think they might be my team moving
into this next land, which they will definitely qualify for.
It's definitely gonna happen, one hundred percent. Sentinels, though, did
disappoint me a little bit on this day.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I watched them last week and I put in a
little clip of their gameplay where they were having a
good time, they were having fun. They did the same
thing this week, and they were looking great after game four.
They were I think second or first after game four,
and then they had two of the most abysmal losses
I have ever seen in my life. Just one getting
stuck in a trident in the middle of the ocean

(28:08):
like Nick Mark style back. I don't know if you
guys remember when he was just out there in the
middle of Stormpoint, just all alone, just out there with
the trident. And then they had another one where it
was just like a terrible fight, just not great, not great.
And the final two and you could tell that Riley
was pissed. He was not happy with that whatsoever. But
before that it was great. And I just got to say,

(28:30):
Loader is insane. He is insane.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Lord of the Ring.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Please don't tell me you thought it was Loader. You
can say it, but like you that like it's Lord
of the Ring though, right, Yeah, I know it's okay.
Trying to make sure.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
No, they all called him loader in game because I
was gonna call him Lord of the Rings, and then
they kept calling him loader, so I was like, all right,
but yeah, no he is.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
And that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
You just have a tendency of picking teams and then
not knowing was on them.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
So no, you ask.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Me, riddle, riddle, riddle, riddle, uh old riddle, We're we're
wasting too much time. But yeah, so Sentinels is great.
I really liked uh. I really liked the way that
they were fighting. They had a crazy fourteen kill second
place game where they they purposely went for second. I
don't think they could have even won that game even

(29:18):
if they wanted to.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
Yeah, dude, Fuse was holding it down.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Dude he was that.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
No, he was.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Shouldn't like that was It was fire to watch. They
play so well together. It is so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And it makes you wonder like if more teams would
just stick around a little bit longer than they typically do. Like,
I know, it's not gonna work in every situation. There's
gonna be some circumstances where it just doesn't work. But
it just makes you wonder if teams would just work
through some of this stuff sometimes. I mean, obviously there
are some people who just can't be on the same team,

(29:56):
but like you just wonder, like where some of these
teams would.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Go with some of the talent that they've had.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So, I mean, Luminosity stands out like that was one
where you know, Saucer was there for a long time
and they move on and and and I'm not saying
it's knocks fault whatsoever, but it's like what happens if
they just you know what, we're struggling right now, but
we'll get through it.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
You never really know. But all I know is Sentinels
is awesome.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Sen City, I'm a part of the Sentinel Army might
order that hockey jersey, might wear it.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
More teams draw hockey jerseys. I would go broke, Yeah,
I go broke. I'd buy them all.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
And it's not like I only own like one actual
hockey jersey, Like I would just go broke buying other ones.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
This is actually just detrimental to the Sentinel stand. Like
if you're a Sentinel fan, you have to be absolutely
just pissed because talking them up, because the track record
just it just keeps on getting worse worse.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
They don't even want to wear.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
My Sentinels is in the crosshairs, and I like this team.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Man, listen, this is the bounce back. Okay, this is
the bounce back. The only thing I would throw this
off is if they absolutely shit the bed, which I
don't think is gonna happen with their ability. They're awesome,
but I just wanted to highlight Sentinels once again. I
might throw in a clip of that fourteen kill second
place because that end game, hopefully if it's on ALGs fods.

(31:21):
I don't know if Loder holds onto his VODs afterwards,
but that's the stream I was watching, and if I
can get a clip of that where he doesn't miss
like ever, he just did not miss a bullet. And
then even going into the next game, I believe they
are on I believe they're on stormpoint for that one,
and they get they get a really good zone, they

(31:42):
get there super early, and I think Falcons tries to
come over, No, it was Energy. Energy tries to come
over and fight them, and it was just beams all
the way it was insane. It was absolutely insane. But
shout out sentinels boys. Did you guys have any other
teams you guys wanted to highlight before we talk regional final?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Last thing do we mentioned. I'm not going to talk
too deep.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I just want to mention Dropped with all gamers once again,
did get fifth? Miss man always gets fifth or six,
the fifth, sixth, sometimes fourth, Yeah, and the odd time
seventh maybe sometimes.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Always fifth, third.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
For the most part, they're currently sitting going into the
regional finals technically pro League being done technically at fifth place,
and that's just the time classic.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's what we love to see.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
You can make a good career out of always being
in fifth, always being fifth, and that's what Dropped has done.
You guys have any other teams done?

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (32:34):
I'll just say real quick too. I think it was
definitely a big day for one hundred Thieves. Obviously, we
knew they were already qualified for mid season playoffs, so
they didn't really matter technically where they placed just in terms
of like the Pro League regional finals whatever. But we
had seen them drop down to like thirteenth, fourteen, fifteenth
overall in the par league standings and people are talking about,

(32:55):
you know, is Virls dropped off? What is this team
to to be able to figure it out? You know
every you know, every storyline that people want to throw
out when new teams struggle and they come out and
find a way to get a second place in the day.
They started off hot even the first game getting a
second place with seven kills. Did a really nice job
getting second place in that game because CT definitely had

(33:16):
the better spot. They definitely swung quite a round the
edge of the zone and picked up a lot of
big kills and took a lot up, took up a
lot of really good spots. And that's kind of the
team I think we expect to see moving forward. But
now again it's just can they be that consistent team
that we expect them to be.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
So it will definitely be.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
A team that I'm interested in when we get to regionals.
But I think it was definitely a big day for
their mental just to say, hey, like, we are a
team that can be top three. We just need to
really be on top of our shit. And this weekend
they definitely work. So big shot out to them for
the weekend.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Hell yeah, okay, boys, you want to talk regional final.
Let's pull up the regional final standings as it sits
right now, we got the usual suspects at the top,
got the Falcons and Energy tied for first place, Shopify
right behind them, n Ip agg TSM one hundred Thieves, Sentinels,
Twisted Minds, Koi Rock, and Furia in the green zone

(34:13):
that is the top twelve. But once again there there
needs to be the sixteen going into EWC, and right
outside of that we've got Fusion, Team Liquid, VP Villainous
is sitting in that final spot and just a few
points behind is Flat. Now the top twenty teams are
gonna be playing in this regional final, and that could

(34:34):
change things up and shake things up really crazily if
a team like lg ends up winning the entire day
but lots to go into this. I want to throw
it on down to jumpa first to kind of go
through the importance of this regional final and exactly how
it works for somebody who's maybe newer or doesn't fully
understand what is about to take place.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
So it's match point, like ragion files are always match point.
The way it works is if someone outside the top
sixteen wins, then it will be that person automatically goes
to finals and then the next fifteen after. I think
that the way that this will work, interestingly enough, is

(35:16):
no matter like pretty much if seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteen or
twenty win, they'll also get the twenty five points more
winning the day and then so that will instantly put
them into top sixteen. But nonetheless just for like the
simplicity of it, Yeah, it's basically top sixteen or winner
plus top fifteen after that if it's someone from outside
there and that will be your people who go to EWC.

(35:38):
That's how it works. After Like I said, match point
legend band obviously is still in effect, which means we
have the chance we didn't get to see at the Open,
we do have the chance of seeing the longest legend
ban system up to the point, like I, all we've
seen is six games because Falcons ended, they open in
six games. So we can see some crazy comps come
out again. In the interview, you're gonna talk, You're us

(36:00):
talk with Panic and they're doing match points scrims this week.
So if you guys want to start to get a
little bit taste of that, tune into scrims this week.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
As they lead up to it.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Every single day's match point and they're doing at the
very least eight games I believe Donnie said, so you
will always say is see, you know, some new comps
get thrown in there, and he was playing Valkyrie. He's like,
they have never had to play Valkyrie before. It was
new to him and it was just something he didn't
have to expect because his characters, as the aggressive characters,
consistently get banned.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So yeah, that's a very long.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Wave explaining match point and for the regional final, and
then that's who qualifies for EWC.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
With the added in wrinkle that for the first time,
really we're going to be hopefully we never know, but
hopefully we're going to be able to see some more
legend bands that go beyond the typical set caustic bandage.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
We'll never get that because the only way costic goes
is if every character with a console gets banned, and
with now the perk system, you have too many characters
that can scan console.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
I did want to make a quick caveat to what
you said, Jumba, is that with the points, they actually
have elevated points in regional finals, so first place actually
gets thirty five towards their pro league standing, which obviously
if you win, you're guaranteed anyway. Well, like second place
is now twenty nine points, third place is twenty five
because what you get in regional finals adds on to

(37:20):
what you've already got during Pro league in terms of
like the overall pro league standing, so all these points.
You know, again, fourth place is twenty two versus why,
I think it's normally like six or eighteen or sixteen.
So these are all very important details.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
Why did they change that, I have no clue.

Speaker 8 (37:37):
I think they're just trying to make it more entertaining.
But then of course we get sixteen twenty twas sixteen
to twenty teams are going through to THEA anyway. But
it's gonna be very interesting. We'll obviously talk about it
more in the regional recap with the other regions where
there's less spots, but even for NA like a team
that's you know in fourteenth, fifteen, sixteenth, that they can
manage to pull off a fifth place, you know, that's

(37:59):
as valuable as well like a third place would normally be.
So it is definitely going to be very interesting to
see if those extra points for certain spots come into
play because of how tight knit kind of that thirteenth, fourteenth,
all the way down to twentieth is. So'd be very
interested to see what happens.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
For other regions especially.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
I think that will just swing it because if one
of these teams are an eighth but like you know,
had a decent split but not great, could get jumped
by a team that like is in fifteenth. I think
the value of that is that in the past, what
would happen so often when you only had eight spots
and NAE even used to have like twelve still, but
it would be that there were some teams at the
bottom who just got in and the only way they

(38:37):
would go to land is if they won the regional final.
They had to win and it was really difficult, but
there were some teams who got close, never did it,
but got close, And I guess that now maybe the
effect is that they're trying to give some of those
teams the chance to get in with points and not
have their only last option to get in with is

(38:57):
actually winning the match point.

Speaker 9 (38:59):
Because if they have a couple of bad games, they're
just out there to grief.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Exactly exactly, Yeah, whereas now like there's always like a
dog in the fight.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So do we got some predictions?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Boys? We haven't done a prediction in a long time.
I see, we just predict a winner.

Speaker 9 (39:15):
I'm gonna go with Falcons simply because I know that
Zero is not going to be satisfied unless they win
the Pro League standings, and I know that he is
probably way more pissed than anybody else would be that
they're technically losing the tiebreaker right now to Energy, and
he wants to see himself up as number one.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Because didn't Walt tell us last week that he has
not lost like a pro league And like, how long
is this?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think like years, like it's been like yeah, last.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
Week, maybe that one, like that one dark Zero when
they first came to a that's probably.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
It thirteen Yeah since then, I mean I could pull
up his results.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
On like a four peter or something like that.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah, so last split split two year three, one before that? Okay,
and then wait, where's the one before that? Oh, he's
just it was just all last year. He's only on
two on.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
The two pet you're trying to I can't.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Find the one.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
He'll just championship got him before he second bro, go.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Ah, he's so bad.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
You got second split two lost to X set that's
right in year three, and then before that he got
thirteenth honestly washed, washed, kind of bad Loki a bad
low key wins, but not only two and.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Come on, man, win more pro leagues like those are
the real trophies. Uh, I'm gonna pick VP because, like
I said earlier, this just feels like a spot where
they've been so bad for such a long time.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Money and then they're just gonna win it missing, We're
just gonna win it.

Speaker 10 (40:59):
That.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
You're just that look because I was going from tabs
on my thing and I accidentally pressed the X this
river sidewalk and it gave me the It gave me
like the are you sure you want to leave?

Speaker 5 (41:14):
And I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, shoke me up, was the thing.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
But yeah, it's just forty one minutes of my life
that I do not want to repeat.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Uh yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna go VP. I'm
gonna go VP. This just feels like that spot. It
feels like that spot for me. Who you got jump
You're just such.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
A hater, bro praying on the backs down phone. I
like that.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I was.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Movie you could have done.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Okay, actually, all right, I'll change it then. I'll say VP,
it's deadline.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
You said what you said, you said what you said.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
You can't I'm trying to switch it back.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
You can't do you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
I mean bet on my hockey team.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
He bet on my hockey team once I said why
would you do that? And he goes, okay, I'll bet
on the other team and said, don't fucking bet. Just
cash out your bet and lose fifty cents here.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
But then we ended up winning that bet.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
No we didn't, and you fucking curse my team. So
let's just go to my You know, I gotta want
to go into the Falcons big. But to mix it up,
I'm gonna say Shopify. I'll go with Shopify, takes to
win and jumps.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Last week I literally said Shopify is winning Champs and
I just didn't.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
You know, the thing is, I wasn't going to bring
that up. They got like seventeenth in their.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Just sitting here, and I really am debating.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I was bebitting between Shopify and Energy because I also
do think this first split with Ery like Timmy igelling,
and everyone always kind of saying this guy can igl
and he's currently winning the tiebreaker for first to go
in and win and then come out first.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Of all, is this the bet for who takes first
or who wins the regional final?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I was just saying who wins, which.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Honestly, if any of those three teams win, they're taking first.
I think I'm suching my energy because I think it'd
be a cool story.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Who's the only one who hasn't said one?

Speaker 7 (43:00):
Be me?

Speaker 8 (43:02):
Yes, I was saying, to think about it, if I
like really had to, like, if I really had to
like pix like, if I was like betting on somebody,
I would say Falcons. But I think I'm gonna actually
want to go with just go with somebody else. I'm
actually gonna go with Twists and Minds because I think
on the right day, we've seen them in qualifier lobbies

(43:25):
before be able to win on a match point type final,
and I think that they've definitely on the right day
played extremely well and it put themselves in those top
couple spots. So I think if they get the match
point early, they get into the get to the fifty
point threshold. I think they are a team that can
close it out because they have won a decent amount

(43:45):
of games storing pro League so far.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Who is one today? Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
N I p one today and Twisted Minds got third.
So not a bad show from you, Donnie.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
Yeah, so oh you're talking about scrims today. Sorry, no,
you're good.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
But yeah, I just.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Think they have the right tools and the right players
to close out a match point type format. So that's
definitely a team that if I wasn't going to pick
Falcons in my opinion, I'm gonna go with Twisted Mindes.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay, final prediction, Oh go ahead, jumpa.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I was gonna say.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
The interesting thing here is though that we got to realize,
especially with NA match points, is not very many players
have like there's not much of my variety.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Phony has won a regional final.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh my god, I'm gonna really try to like go
off memory here. Dark zero won a regional final. Tiasem
won the offline regional final that we couldn't see, so
like like already though, like that is three land winners
right like there was like a big scrims uh freaking

(44:49):
like oversight match point final ones was like for ten
K and again that was phony SSG and Zaiinu who
won the land after.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I do have chat up someone probably else remembers the
other ones for me, but there there's not many for
there's not a lot of variety in players winning match
point finals. So as much as we're saying this, I
think it'd be cool to have someone new. I just
don't know if I expected it might be one of
those those same dogs that winning all the time. Like
no one said one hundred thieves, now that I think
about it, none of us predicted hundred thieves.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
No VP VP Okay boys. Last prediction, Final prediction. Does
a g G get fifth or sixth? I'm gonna go
out on a limb. I'm gonna say sixth.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
I'm feeling fifth. I've been playing, I've been playing pretty good.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I'm feeling fifth. Are we again? Are we talking fifth
overall or fifth in the final?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
So this one?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, yeah, over over overall.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
If we do final, i'm gonna say sixth. If we
do overall, i'm gonna say fifth.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
I do not know if that mathematically, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I have no idea if that math, I'm not sure.
Especial because Donny said, there's elevated points now, so.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
That I just pulled that out.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
We love to see. It's my tap, ladies and gents.
We're gonna send it on down to Panic. Apex. What
an interview was? Uh, dude's funny. That guy's just funny.
It's a it's a great time with Panic. You hear
him saying, yeah, yeah, we're gonna have him singing in.
There also lots of insight into what was going on

(46:29):
with the move, accusation, the accusations, all the good stuff
you want to hear from Panic. All right, ladies and gents,
let's hit a quick little break and send it on
down to TSM.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Panic.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
All Right, ladies and gents, we've got the man who's
up next.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
They're saying, he is up next.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
We have a very special guest on for the first
time ever on the Apex podcast.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
We've got Panic on the show.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Panic. How are you doing, my man?

Speaker 5 (47:01):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 10 (47:02):
I don't think I've ever been on a podcast before,
but this is gonna be an experience.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, it's pretty self explanatory. We're gonna ask you questions
about you and then you just rifle off. You rifle
it all off.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Jumping.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
You're muted.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I think, Okay, you've.

Speaker 9 (47:17):
Been practicing for this every rank session you've ever done.
Because all you do is talk, You're going to be
a natural, trust.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, I don't talk them. Okay, never mind,
You're You're allowed to talk here though, this is you.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, feel free to y app, feel free to app.
But I do want to go back to what I
alluded to at the beginning. Man, It's it's interesting because
there's been a lot of players who've come through the scene.
There's been a lot of great teams who've come through
the scene, lots of big names, and it does feel
like everybody's focused in on Panic right now.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Panic is the hot new thing. It's you're you're on
the rise, You've you've shown and proven yourself in different areas.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Does it?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
How does it feel to be what everybody talks about,
like on the broadcast, like this is this is the
next guy, like this is this guy's this guy's the
real deal, he's legit.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
How does that feel for you?

Speaker 10 (48:08):
I mean, it feels pretty unreal because like I never,
like I I dreamed, like like when I first started
playing this game, like it it's like it it's like
where i'd be, but like I saw like on on,
like the open land, like after the first day should
be like shouted me out saying that, like like I'm
next up, like and I mean I never thought i'd

(48:31):
I never thought i'd be here, like obviously, like I
wanted it without a doubt, but like trying to like
make it come true just didn't seem like a possibility.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
But I guess I guess it is from that I
had to rebrand. That was such a bad man.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Wait wait, wait was that a name at one time?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Pooh layer? That's all I gotta say. That is a
baller name. If nobody else loved it, I would have
loved it.

Speaker 10 (49:02):
That's a great thing. I think I was like eight
or nine when I made it.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Uh huh, yeah that may didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Get banned with that name. Why I got banned for
ballistics ballbag?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I got a seventy two hour band with that one.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, I got the seventy two hour band for
ballistics ballbag. It could have been anything. I could have
been talking about his golf bag. You know, we could
have been talking about anything.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
True.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Now, you said you never thought you'd be here, and
I guess the one thing that is interesting about all
of it is that there was a time where you've
had some obstacles. Man, You've had you had your own
set of obstacles. And actually you've been on the pod
for the first time in person, but we have talked
about you from a long time ago. In fact, I
brought you up because I found a Twitter account, panic

(49:46):
Apex that was just tweeting relentlessly and they were the
funniest tweets in the world, and everybody was accusing this
man of cheating. I had no idea if you were
or weren't at the time. I was just like, this
guy is hilarious on Twitter. So you've actually been on
this show back in the early days without actually being
on the show. Now, that was an obstacle for you
at the time, trying to prove to yourself that you

(50:06):
were not cheating or everybody else, for everybody everybody that
you were not cheating. Yeah wait, wait, yea, let's get
to that.

Speaker 10 (50:19):
That was that was my fault, Like, like I baited
with the intention that it's gonna be a bait.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
I just didn't expect it to like go that far.

Speaker 10 (50:29):
Because like I helped your recent call for Pro League
and then I put out an LFT that night, and
then I think a day went by, and then that
next morning, like my brother's waking me up and he's
like check Twitter real quick. I'm like, what's this about,
And he said, they're accusing you of cheating. I'm like,
I like kind of laughed because like, I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
That's what I was aiming for, but like not like that.
And then I check.

Speaker 10 (50:57):
I had like like ol scurry they were LF one
at the time, and albm me it hit me up
to you know, team or whatever trial and then like
obviously that like instantly fell through. Like I had like
three or four Pro league offfers at the time that
fell through because of that.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Just because of that situation, Yeah, damn, like like a
whole year earlier, like you could have been competing. I
wanted to get this into this later then, so let's
get into it now. So after a year of that happening,
I know, I think you're still competing in CC and
everything like that. Finally him Bido and Rambo this year, though,
give you a chance to compete, get back in the

(51:38):
Pro league and actually prove yourself that you're legit you're
a good player, and that you're not cheating, you're just good.
Like how did it feel finally getting that opportunity with them?

Speaker 10 (51:47):
I mean from like when I first got accused, I
didn't think i'd like like I wanted to quit immediately,
like I'd like but then like I hate seeing other
people like like go against me and then be right,
so like I had to like go against it and
like keep playing and like prove that I was real
and like everything, and like getting that opportunity, like, I mean,

(52:08):
it was just amazing because uhh, I streamed like before
like like top five like and like top five pred
you know, like consistently streamed to like like.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Just prove that I was real and.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
I mean and then one day I played with Rambo
and I'm assuming he like vouched to Himbino because like
they were LF one. He vouched him that I was
like good, and then like I think they were either
going to pick up me or Cursay at the time,
and then Rambo wanted me, and I mean it kind
of just r history.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, yeah, rest is history.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You do mention at one point that there was like
a dark time during that whole accusation thing. Because I
do remember at one point you had said you tweeted
something along the lines of like yeah, I'm deactivating or
yeah I'm done. I don't remember exactly with the tweets head,
but it was like, yeah, I'm done. And so I
got to imagine at that time for You're like, damn,
I was just messing around. It turned into this whole
situation now it just seems like everything's falling apart.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Was there actually like a time there, like how long
was it before You're like, you know what, I can't
do this. I got to get back into the arena
and keep playing.

Speaker 10 (53:19):
I'm pretty sure I took like a two month break
or something like that, with at the beginning of the
break intending to like just stop playing fully like I
would play like once, like like once a week for
like maybe like three hours or something like nothing crazy.
But I mean I just didn't, like I did, I
didn't have the passion. Like everything was like taken away.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
I was like it was that.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
One specific clip where it's like Siphon or Clima, I
don't remember, you know it's one of the Scion, Yeah,
and like you just you do You're doing your thing
where you like to snap at a wall, but this
time you did it. And when you have it, when
the character scans are there, yeah, when you can see
through the walls with the observer feed, like you snap
to a person fortunately, which it's kind of funny because

(54:04):
that stuff happened so often in other games like counter Strike.
But I think because the maps are smaller, it's a
tack shooter, like you can also understand angles of where
people are going. Sometimes, you know, guys can get away
with like it being a coincidence were here, while it
wasn't coincidence.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
It just was a lot more sust to people specific clip.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
It was way too good of a bait.

Speaker 9 (54:23):
Oh yeah, because I didn't, like, I didn't rank with
you for like the longest time. I was like, I'm
not I'm not doing that that kids, he's probably cheating. Yeah,
I'll say that's because I also like when I ran
when when I was getting shot on by Pooh Layer,
I was like, this is glad.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
To be cheating.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
I was like, like, there's no way that this kid
is real.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, I didn't like.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
I just thought it was just some random because at
the time you were just some random and then like
the then there's the whole thing that pops up, and
then it was just I I remember vividly a conversation
that I had with Morbid and he's like, yeah, dude,
like you should play with Panic.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
He's not. He hasn't he hasn't gotten banned yet. Yeah,
so you definitely.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
I'm really glad that you stuck with it, because with
you doing that and going as long as you did
without anybody like without getting banned at all, it almost
got to the point where like nobody could keep on
saying you were cheating with how like long you just
kept on not getting banned.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
So either you were just like the.

Speaker 9 (55:24):
Goat spoofer and you're just like hideouts just can't touch
your shit.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
I'm not crabby, you're just.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
Or you're just next up. And that appears to be like, well,
we're dealing with now.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Even at the open.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I've talked about this on previous pods, but like you know,
I uh, it like is in a group and there's
some dev anti cheat guys there who were basically saying
they went through I think four hundred plus different devices
scan the ball.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I hope I don't control for thing this.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I know that they found some people who were attempting
to treat the cheat with Macro's installed and things like that,
and they wipe that ship and took care of that stuff,
and you made it through.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
You made it through, So you went to the old.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah you were but good.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I kind of wanted to even like throw back and
find out a little bit more about like your starting Apex. Obviously,
like you're one of the younger players in the league
right now, I think the second youngest, so you know,
even for when APEX started, you're pretty young. When when
did you start playing and what got you into competing
in general?

Speaker 10 (56:21):
I started playing season like it was around season seven,
Like I saw my brothers like they played on console,
and then like we got a PC that like all
three of us shared, and then like we were just
like basically like take turns plan And I played on
MMK from season seven to season fifteen, and I was

(56:43):
pread on MKA and then I switched to Roller. Not
because I was bad, it was because my frames like
they wouldn't they would go to that down to like
sixty or like seventy. Bro it was bad and it
just felt more smooth on en Roller than like anything.
So that's like that's like the biggest and I swisch.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
So when you when you had started, I got to
assume if you're able to make it to pread on
mm K switch the controller, be as good as you are.
You're sharing a PC with your brothers, you had to
have dominated them in like so many games, Like there
has to have been some epic arguments going on between
the brothers in that type of environment. How like what

(57:23):
age and what time did you realize you were just
a lot better than a lot of the people you
played with.

Speaker 10 (57:29):
Like we had like this flat screen TV upstairs. We
played CODs split screen like one B one, you know,
to screen peak and everything like.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
This guy im but you were just you were just
dominating people from like the time you've you've been playing
games just just really good naturally.

Speaker 10 (57:57):
I feel like I play it's all the main games
I've played with cod and then I played Overwatch and
then Apex, Like those are like the main three that
I've like played in my life.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
I've never touched a Halo game. I'm I don't know,
but I mean.

Speaker 10 (58:14):
It took like when I first played Overwatch, it took
some time, but like eventually, like I wasn't like instantly
good at it, like like other games, like I had
to like adapt seriously hard.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
But then for Apex, I mean when I picked up.

Speaker 10 (58:27):
A roller, it was it was pretty easy because it
was point four at the time.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
So I mean, I mean it's just.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Natural exposing all roller players out here except for the
bad ones like me and Wyatt.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah. Are your brothers older than you? Though? Like same thing,
like like was it just.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Like your older brothers, Like what do they think about
now that, like you're even like a pro competing going
to lands traveling that they probably couldn't hold up to you,
like you being the younger one of them.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
I mean my brother he he plays like c see
his name's del Roar and oh cool cool, Yeah, of course, yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
And I mean he he squalled the land.

Speaker 10 (59:08):
Yeah, but he didn't play like he didn't want to go,
Like I don't know why I couldn't. I couldn't get
an answer, but he just like he just didn't want
to go. And I mean, it's pretty nice being the
youngest but like the best, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah, I gotta assume that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, And I think I think once again we get
back to that entire accusation time all that stuff goes down,
you finally get this opportunity with Orchid, and then when
you guys make it to that land, you really showed
everybody h who what you were and what you were
really about. Plenty of accolades go from that tournament, but
when you actually got there on that stage, I assume

(59:48):
that that's one of the first times you've ever had
one of those opportunities to kind of just showcase your skill,
like in person with the squad and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
What was that experience like for you?

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (59:58):
I Like when I got in a pro league, I
was like, bro, I want to make one like I like,
I want to go to like lands like like the
Like my dream is to like you know, do what
I love obviously and like it just have fun doing
it and make money obviously. So being there, it was
like it was not what I expected to be honest,

(01:00:19):
it was like it was a lot better than like
what I thought. Like the side stages they were like
I like the side stages more than the main stage.
Really a lot a lot of people did, yeah, because
on the main stage they had like the big like
the big headphones that like clamp onto your head, comfortable
they're so uncomfortable. They play white noise and you have

(01:00:39):
to use earbuds under them for the audio.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Brouh.

Speaker 10 (01:00:42):
It was so uncomfortable on the main stage, Like the
first time we were on main stage, I think it
was like Winners Round two and I think we got
bottom ten that one, and so like we had to
go through all the ELMB brackets and everything, but that
audio I SWI where like I could have played without
headphones and it would have been the same.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Like it it's it's disorienting too, right, Like the noise
canceling is so strong. I remember having it on and
being like, oh, this is like really weird. And when
you take it off and the sound comes back, it's like, yeah,
message with your head a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:01:15):
I can't imagine refreshing to take them off, yeah, take
them off, Like you can't. You can't take them off
until the game's over. M Like you have to wait
until the game's over then you can like take them
off for like like the two minute break or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
But bro, it was like.

Speaker 10 (01:01:30):
Like the cold like the cold wave. My ears felt
after like taking them off for a second. Bro, it
felt so good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
The size sage is pretty interesting. You like them, especially
because your first experience. Not many pros have ever had
something like that. I guess they had like old B
stages in like those first early days with like like
the Champs year three, right, but still like it's nothing
like the pit, right, So it's kind of cool that,
like you know a lot of pros who are used
to like the main stages that they did not want

(01:01:57):
to get near the pit. But you're saying you loved it.
Was it like the atmosphere of having the other players
close by or was it just the comfort of like
the headphones and having your own gear instead.

Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
I think using my own stuff was like just like
more comforting, made me feel like, you know, more at home.
Like it just like it just felt right and like
one of the one of the stages. I think it
was like Elan round five, like right before finals, elim
like curs in them. They were right in front of us,

(01:02:25):
and they were like in our lobby. So like one
game we like fought them and I like look over
and I see just so mad. And then and then
another game like they got first, we got second, and
then me and Stir say we look back over, we
dap each other up over and it's just it's just like,
I just.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Like being over there. I don't know, you can't do
that on the main stage.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
I wish that's some more of the content we got
to see from the pick, because I think that's actually
was kind of cool, like either the trash hok or
like even when you guys are, like you said, you know,
pretty hyped up for each other, you know for a second,
things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I don't know, boys, you got you get something else.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah. I think when when we had that entire situation
go down with the open, obviously you guys miss out
just barely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
It's like right on the edge that you guys barely
miss out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
What was that like? Because I know you guys fought
your ass off and we were we were actually rooting
hard for Team or Kid just because we had just
had Rambo on the show. And it's always a great
time to talk to Rambo. He's he's just one of
those like really free flowing, awesome dudes to talk to,
So getting to and getting so close with him and
him Bino, like, you guys were right on the edge.
How did that feel like, just barely missing out on

(01:03:31):
that cut with how much work you guys put in.

Speaker 10 (01:03:34):
It was like the worst feeling ever. It felt like
I did like all that for nothing, Like bro. It
was so bad because like we had like these little
tablets and they would like update like every like like
whenever like a team would die, it would update like
five seconds after something. I remember we like we died,

(01:03:55):
and I look right down at it and it and
it and it had it updated yet, and then I
see it update to eleventh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
I just sit there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
I'm like, no, I do that? Was that the pit
as well, that they have the tablets for you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
No or no, you're on main stage right, Yeah? Okay
that was main stage by that point. Yeah, I was that.
That must have been pretty upsetting. But I mean overall, still,
you came out with third most kills in the tournament.
And then some people might say like, oh, you played
more games because you had to go through e limits,
but you had top five your fifth overall for kills
per game. Do you when you see the competition there,

(01:04:30):
like especially in the kills apartment, the only people that
were ahead of you were zero and Imperial, How Like
what do you what? It goes through your head when
you see the numbers you put up at this tournament,
your first land, and especially with one hundred and sixty
teams so many good players in it.

Speaker 10 (01:04:43):
Yeah, I mean it's like insane, Like I didn't really
have like crazy high expectations at this, like this land
for like like myself personally, but like seeing that, like
seeing like the people that I like watched like all
the time, and like me like being up there like
competing like side by side with them. Obviously how he

(01:05:03):
was on like just a different level, Like I don't
I don't know, I don't know what he I don't
know what he took that morning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
But the flip flops.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, Uh, it's gotta be cool to watch for you too,
because it's like you you've been in the scene for
a while, but there's also got to be some people
you look up to in the scene where it's like,
you know, you're a younger player coming up throughout it,
and there's been some guys who've been here forever. How
like what would you say your major influences, uh, like
that come from this scene right here, like some players

(01:05:35):
you really look up to.

Speaker 10 (01:05:38):
I think I mean definitely how I mean, he was
just like the first person and also I really like
sweet and and Koiful, mainly Koiful because like his age,
you know, like I feel like something in common like age,
we're both young coming up. I mean he's he's he's
been up, but like I feel like just like watching

(01:06:00):
them do it and then me like being in a
position where I can do that is unreal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Well, it's a very like similar situation, like reminiscent of
like Koivo's come up. I mean, you know, and and
you got you got some time to come here and
still grow, like you know, you got your opportunities coming
up with this next Land everything that. But it was
very much similar like KOIVI was in CC, got picked
up by one team, which gave him an opportunity to
go to Land where he got you know, a huge
exposure there, and then was picked up immediately by ex

(01:06:27):
Set who had just finished like first in the previous
pro league. And then now he's you know with his
squad that they want to Land and everything together. Right,
So I mean in that same vein I was, you know,
we talked to Rambo and he said he was a
little bit afraid of like talking about Panic too much
because he's like, I'm afraid Panic's gonna get poached. And
then you know, you go to this land, you put

(01:06:48):
up your numbers. Did you expect after that that you
might get some phone calls from you know, some big
org some things like TSM and guys like Dupe and gent.

Speaker 10 (01:06:57):
It was definitely expected out of like all of us,
like we all like we all thought, you know, like
even when we first got into Pro league, like we
all had like a talk that like we wouldn't leave
each other each other unless it's like a better situation
financially or just like it's just obvious that it's just

(01:07:18):
like a better team or like we should take it,
and like we all talked about it, and I'm pretty
sure they said that if anyone were to get poached.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
That it'd be me.

Speaker 10 (01:07:28):
And I mean we we really had like a talk beforehand,
so there were there wasn't really any surprises, like no snaking,
Like it was just you know, I left them every offer,
every offer I had.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
So how did it feel though when you got that call? Oh? Sorry,
then no, I was gonna ask the same question, Yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
What did it feel like to get the call from
like not only just like TSM. I know it's not
the same team, but that's still an Org that's got
a crazy legacy in Apex that you've been picked up
now and on top of it, Dupe and Jen those
are two guys who have been around Apex and at
the top ends, Yeah, for such a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:08:00):
I mean, like it goes back to like what I
said before, Like it's just like it's just something I
never thought would happen to like to me, like like
I like I sat there like after I was thinking
to myself, I was like, wow, like this is this
is this is really like this this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Is happening, you know, like it was just crazy feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And it does feel weird too, because it's like you
think about the original roster of TSM, and it was
up and coming players that ended up becoming like the best.
And I think what they're doing here is they were
taking a chance on somebody that they think is up next,
like I started the interview with, and it has to
feel good from your perspective now. Now going back to

(01:08:42):
just the team Orchid in that conversation that you guys
had when the call eventually came through and it was
obvious that there was going to be a break, was
that tough for you leaving those guys who kind of
gave you that opportunity to get back into the scene
after everything.

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
Definitely, Like I like I love ram and Hambino like
like leaving them like I like, like I genuinely like
I didn't want to, cause like we made so many
like promises like you know we wouldn't leave, you know,
like nothing like you know, but bro it, Like I
genuinely just didn't want to leave, but it was just
a better situation. Like they were like they were they

(01:09:20):
were higher in Pro League than us. I mean they're
like I mean, I mean, Rambo's really experienced, you know,
like fifth at Land, you know, pro League KI leader.
I mean Hambino he has really good experience in Pro
League multiple times. But like those two, those two are
like multi land like like just like more more experienced,
more like just veterans, you know, like both of them,
and as a duo, they're like really good.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
They have experienced together as well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
So yeah, what the interesting thing with that though, is
that I was watching some of your vauds, especially from
like this past recent game day that you guys just had,
and like you're really vocal on the team too, Like
even though coming in least experience of them all, and
you're like making a lot of kind of like almost
a co igl calls there. You know, there's a specific game,

(01:10:05):
the last game that you guys won. When you see
the Neon zone, you're like, there's only three South zones
here in Neon. This is the best building to play.
We go now, And you're making that call. Where does
that like confidence come from? And even that like knowledge
of the game, Like how are you developing that with
like such limited time compared to like them at the
highest level.

Speaker 10 (01:10:22):
Uh, With Ram and him Beino, we played hard zone
like we'd pick a zone POI and we'd go straight
to zone.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Like That's why I was surprised.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
I was like up there on like the kills and
stuff because we were like we didn't play edge, like
we weren't fighting on the edge at all. But and
our coach, Cad Warrior, he was like he was a
coach and an analyst and one like he had all
the zones mapped out like everything. I memorized it like
he he helped us. I knew there's only three zones

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in Neon, or there's there's one like kind of in
like the middle and then there's one that happened at Land,
like in the street, and then there's and then I'm
pretty sure it's like there's two that are side by side,
which is one of the ones that we had in
that game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 10 (01:11:09):
So just like being on a team with like a
zone team is like really good, and I think like
everyone should like be on like a hard zone team
at least once, just to gain like the other side
and like the other perspective of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Definitely, Yeah, especially because now you guys are playing Edge
but like always focusing on that third console, so like
you know, it was pretty easy zone call maybe for
you then at that point if you have that edge
or zone experience. Yeah, I just thought that was really
cool because, like you even said it right now and
you said it in game. You're like there was one
right here at Land. And I remember the one at
Land because I remember talking with a bunch of people
and going, what the fuck is this zone?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Never seen this shit before, but like you knew of it,
You knew of it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
Yeah, review man and views absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Now, when when you talk about VOD reviewing and stuff
like that, and a lot of times we like to
kind of pick people's brains on it exactly how they
prepare for the games, and that could be VO reviewing.
It could also be just practicing in general as far
as your natural routine, what you do to get ready
for whatever it is a Pro League day, the open
or whatever land situation you're gonna find yourself in. Is

(01:12:13):
there like a routine that you have or is it
kind of just I go based off of what I
feel like I need to do at that moment.

Speaker 10 (01:12:22):
Like let's say we had like a bad scrim day before,
or like, okay, let's say we scream the day before.
I want a voter review like that day, and I
want to see the mistakes I was doing before, because
those are most likely if I'm making the mistakes that
like the day before, then I like there's a chance
I'll make them game day. And like I wanted to,
like I write down like what I like what mistakes,

(01:12:44):
like I like need to focus on from like that
that day, and I like I put it on like
the bottom of my monitor, and like so it's like
always there's like always updating me. Like there was one
of the games where I didn't talk enough, so then
I put like like on a sticky note like talk more,
and like I would look down at it just every

(01:13:05):
now and then, just you know, just looking around, and
it would just remind me to talk more. And I
would vot view my perspective of scrims before, and then
the entire team would hop in a call and we'd
of you, like you know, from like another perspective and
figure out what the team does, because when I be myself,
I want to focus on individual mistakes and like what

(01:13:27):
I could have done better. But then we all have
bought of you for about like an hour, whether that's
like two scrim days or one scrim day, like really
going in on like every specific and and then we
just and then we just TDM for like an hour
and then we're good.

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
So you do you do all of that with school?

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
I was gonna ask the same question.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
I graduated like two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Oh nice graduation, bawling right now?

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's awesome, that's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I was just gonna ask, like, so you actually physically
write that down, because that's the first time I've ever
heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
That's crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:14:08):
I mean, I'm pretty sure I got it from I
remember Raven a while ago.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Said Verrholst.

Speaker 10 (01:14:15):
Used to do it. Yeah, so like that's where I
got the idea from. And like, I mean, it's helped me.
So I recommend it to like a lot of people
to like try it, like because like most of the mistakes,
like you, you've out of you you see it, you
understand it, but you forget it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
And if it's here in front of you, then I
mean there's just no way to forget it. So like
your head's always on a swivel.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Yeah, just shocked that you ever had to write down
to talk more.

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
I mean, bruh when it gets intense, bro, it's so
hard to you know, your rank ranked is different. I'll talk,
I'll talk no matter what. I'll sing some coms too.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Yeah you want to you want to flex the vocals,
it's got to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
We'll just we'll just we'll watch the stream. We'll just
insert a clip. We'll insert a clip from the stream
of you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Singing to just run down my defour ass probably like
we'll just have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
To bring you on a few more times. We'll get
you comfortable, get the singing voice ready to vote an
entire pod interview to just singing songs. We'll just get
some bangers out mm Okay, okay, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I like that. Sorry, what do you want to say?

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
Why? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I was just gonna say, so you mentioned ranked, and
like how you you know, when you're playing ranked, you
can just you'll sing comms, and when it comes to
game day it's a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I do think there's a lot of players out there,
even in like CC, who struggle with the adaptation from
ranked over to competitive. And I'm sure you had your
own struggles with that as well, where it was like
I do this thing and ranked all the time, and
ranks can be mindless, especially for players of like your caliber,
because you can just kind of run down lobbies. But
then there's that switch you have to make from ranked

(01:16:04):
to now, hey, this is like the real deal, this
is competitive for you. What was the biggest challenge or
what is the biggest challenge switching over from from ranked
over to competitive?

Speaker 10 (01:16:15):
Ranked and competitive is like just two different ball games.
Like there's like, yeah, it's the same game, but it's
like it's played totally just so different. Like in ranked,
I don't even think I use my brain at all,
Like I think I just turn it off. I just
go in there to shoot my gun, like like really

(01:16:36):
nothing else. Like I like, it's so hard to like
be locked in for Ranked when I feel like there's
just like not much on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Was there was there like a tip or like somebody
who you played with who told you, like hey, when
you were first making the jump over to competitive where
they were like, hey, you need to focus on this.
That kind of changed your trajectory and made a little
bit easier for you.

Speaker 10 (01:17:00):
Yeah, I mean the thing is with like I'm I
mean I talk a lot in Ranked, but it's like
a lot of mindless talking, like I'm just like you know,
just conversating whatever, but like I wouldn't really talk like
what I see and like what I'm doing, And like
that was like my biggest issue because like what I see,
like my like I could tell that to my IGL

(01:17:22):
and they could just you know, form a whole plan
off of it. But like if I don't say what
I see, obviously they're not in the same position. I
am to like take advantage of like a play one
team's doing so that we could do something. And it's
like I like talking like end game was definitely one
of my biggest mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Oh sorry, I want yeah, I will.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
I was trying to at some point switch over to
now just also talking about overall. Right now, you guys
are in sixth place and with that the regional final
coming up. I mean you're already locked in for EWC.
Obviously that's sick, but you can move up and seating
and everything like that. What are you guys kind of
doing right now? I know you got Matchpoint screams all week?
What are you talking about them going into this, you know,
last week in here with regional finals to you know,

(01:18:06):
make sure you have the best chances when you do
get to EWC.

Speaker 10 (01:18:11):
I mean obviously, like you said, we're scrimming and like
I've never done nothing like match Point before, so like
this is like it's like like totally different from me.
And like especially with the legend bands going up to
like leading up to like it could go to like
game like thirteen or something and like you know, twelve
different people are banned like focusing on like new comps

(01:18:32):
to play like Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
Today we put out a valk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I got it.

Speaker 10 (01:18:36):
We put out a like valk. I mean it was
just VALC Newcastle rampart towards like Game eight. I think
it was Bro. And it's just like it's so hard.
It's not really hard adjusting. But like I don't think
I played Valk in comp at all, so like it
opens up like a more broad like just people that
I can play like or learn to play, because like

(01:18:58):
I haven't played them in comp before.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
It's yeah, they typically have you on like the aggressive
characters too, like the ballistic, the Raths and such like that.
So when you're getting to Valp, like who else did
you have to play there before you get down to
a deep like valk Pick.

Speaker 10 (01:19:15):
I mean, so they had me on alter Ash, Ballistic,
Wraith and those four get banned.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
For say all your characters are getting banned.

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
Yeah, I'm switching. I'm switching every game. And then after
that there was like one person that I played, and
then right after that they were just like Aiden wanted
Aiden Bro he got he got so tired of it.
He was like, bro play Horizon. I'm like, like I
would love that, Like I used to be Horizon Crutch.

(01:19:45):
I would love that, but like she's so useless, Like
and Valc fits our play style very well because like
you know, like you said, just like Ring three and
then like fly in with Purples, Yeah, we like we
can literally point out a oddspot like we don't need
to hit a UAV before, like her purple Perk is
so overpowered, and I mean it's just it's really easy,

(01:20:08):
like learning new characters after all this experience, I feel
like like a year ago me trying to learn like
Valk or something like I'd just be so lost or
like just trying to like learn others.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
I think that's a really good transition point also to
into EWC. So, like the reason why I say that
is because EPC groups everything. Even if you guys have
to go through LGQ ten games you're playing, so no
matter what you're gonna be in a territory, you're gonna
have four extra games that you've never played before. In
when you're dealing with legend bands, because Legend Band and POY,
your draft is still in there. Have you guys discussed

(01:20:44):
that yet or are you just one thing at a
time regional finals then you'll talk about EWC or if
you have discussed it, like you know what, do you
guys already starting to plan out in terms of cops
or you're just waiting for the maybe those e WC scripts.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I know I asked four questions there.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Now you're fining.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I get.

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
I not to my knowledge, have we discussed anything about EWC,
like how like preparing for it wise like at least
legend bands wise like but like still like this match point,
like it could it could go up like a crazy
amount that we've like I don't like even prepare for.
But like now, I mean obviously aiden he used to

(01:21:20):
be in like Land Pro League, et cetera. Like he
has like the really good experience that like a coach
should have to like help us. Like he like in
in his discord, he is like like an entire layout
of like if this person gets banned, and we play
this if this person gets banned, we play like he
has like a whole list and everything, and like it's
just like we kind of just read down the list

(01:21:42):
and like see see what like what we think should
is like best for us.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Yeah, that's pretty speed. I know a lot of teams
got resources like that too. How are you, like I
guess specifically about you though, now that was like you
really like your big land right? The AE just open
one hundred sixty teams. Lots of people could have qualified,
but this was one tougher to qualify for. And forty
teams instead. You know, what are you thinking about doing
like that to like the real big stage mid season playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
Bro.

Speaker 10 (01:22:10):
It's it's like a little nerve wracking. I'm like, because
before on the side stages, I'm like, Okay, no one's
looking at me. I'm just gonna sit here play my game, bro.
And now it's just gonna be like a whole arena.
I'm just like, everyone's gonna be focused. You know, I'm
rapping a big name too, like the Org Gut fans,
you know, didn't do they have their fan bases everything.

(01:22:31):
I'm just like, I feel like the little guy just
like stepping in and like eyes on me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
I'm like, what do I do?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
They gotta come up with a celebration, just in case
you guys went on the stage. We gotta come up
with something nice.

Speaker 10 (01:22:43):
Rambo and I we had this idea that if we
want a game on main stage that he'd like pick
me up, and like I'd like, cheer in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Okay, okay, you have to get dupe to pick you up.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
Pick me up?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
I like that definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
There's a little bit different when when you get into
those situations and you know, like you said, when the
Open happen, you just for you just getting to that
was like you didn't know if you'd ever get to
this spot, and now you're getting to one where it's
like the real deal. This is going to be like
the traditional land that we've had in the past, although
format's a little bit different, same idea, same you know,

(01:23:21):
concept and everything like that. One thing that is tough,
and I know it's tougher, especially for younger players, is
managing expectations, making sure that you don't get too high
or too low in the tournament, because there's a lot
of emotions that go through, especially in this situation. Before
it was one hundred and sixty teams, there's a lot
of other people, like you said, that have eyes on them.

(01:23:41):
Now you go to this and it's like, I got
to make sure that I keep my cool and make
sure that I don't lose it if like something goes
wrong or something like that. Has there been any practice
with you internally to be like, all right, if things
aren't going my way early, I got to do this
to make sure I maintain my equilibrium.

Speaker 10 (01:24:00):
Recently, for me, it's been just like a like flip
a switch type deal. Because like you can ask, you know,
we played ranked I've gotten mad, like and I don't
know if you if you watch like the not the
game day last week, but the week before.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
That, That's what I was talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Yeah, and me and dude.

Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
Like we were kind of arguing a little bit some
something like that, but then like we talked about it,
you know, apologize, like you know, we had like a
like a deep conversation about it, and like I told
him like it wouldn't happen again, and like I like,
you know, especially like while they're both streaming, like you know,
repping a big org. I definitely like had to like

(01:24:42):
instantly change something, which was like something like like I
knew would have to happen at some point, Like I
didn't know if I'd have to like ease into it,
but like there I just had to like kind of
flip the switch and like try to just calm calm
myself a little bit making when something bad happens or
something goes wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
So yeah, and I think it's going to be a
learning process because once again, you are you are very young,
and it takes time. Like that's not something that you're
just born with a lot of times like it. It
takes time, especially putting yourself in those situations, and this
is going to be one of those good situations to
do it in. And I think you've got the right
squad to help you out with that too. Now, talking
about your new squad and everything that's going on with them,

(01:25:24):
we talked about Orchid a little bit. Moving over into
TSM and your two new teammates, now kind of go
through what your process has been like, kind of learning
their different play styles, what they like to do differently
than your last team, and and kind of adapting to that.

Speaker 10 (01:25:41):
I mean when I played with Orchid, it was, you know,
do this loop path perfectly and get out of the
POI like, go to go to zone, don't don't don't
stop for nothing. Don't don't go to the arsenal to
get an extra gun if you need it, you know.
But like playing playing with them, I can shill, I
can take my time a little bit, you know, still

(01:26:02):
on pace, just like I don't need to like freak
out about not being like not looting fast enough, like
just playing edge and like going in.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
On like that that wring three skin and just working
all the way in.

Speaker 10 (01:26:16):
I mean, the two play styles are like literally opposite,
like but like understanding Zone, like I said, like it
just helps you so much while you're playing edge, you
can predict what teams are doing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Like like I mean, it's just it's just do you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Prefer one over the other, like one place all over
the other?

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
I definitely I I really like Brouh. I loved Zone.
I don't know why.

Speaker 10 (01:26:41):
I told myself Like when I was in CC, I
was like, bro, I'm just gonna run things down, you know,
not think about it. I was like, bro, I'm when
I'm in Pro League'm gonna do the same thing. No, No,
I didn't do the same thing. Like we just got
like I don't know why. It's just it like it's
less less nerve wracking, you know, like my first split
in Pro.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
League, Like I'm a little like on game day.

Speaker 10 (01:27:02):
Every now and then, I'm a little scared to take
a fight, you know, Like obviously I'm never gonna like
admit that, like it'd be like it'd be like i'd
be getting nervous sometimes and like I'm sure like when
my nerves calm down, like let's say like next split,
like next year or something like, I think I'll be
a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Better in Pro League.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
But it's just like like the nerves like they don't
like affect the decision I make, but it's just how
I feel like going in to do it. Like sometimes
I sit there, you know, like let's say we kill Falcons.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
I'm like, bro, Hall and Zero might be watching me, like, Bro,
I gotta do good.

Speaker 10 (01:27:35):
I gotta do good, you know, And like Bro, if
I do like a like a bad spray or something,
I'd be like, Bro, I know Zero is roasting me
right now. Like I don't know why I'll be getting
in my head about it, but like I definitely shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
I thought you were gonna say the options otherwise say
edge because of like well just your ability to like
put up kills and everything like that. I thought you'd
love it because, like you know, like even like you said,
like you look up to someone like koyfol I remember
talking to him once in the past, and he played
for a hard zone team with Sentinels, and he's like,
as much as he loved the opportunity, he's like, I
just can't do this. He's like he did not want

(01:28:09):
to like have to run his own all the time.
He needed to play for a team that would give
the ability to play Edge because he wanted to fight always,
So I thought you kind of might say the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
So that's really.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
Interesting, Like I like, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
Yeah, Like I love fighting, like you know, like you know,
it's always fun, you know, just more fun they sitting
in a building looking at teams rotate. It's like it's
like it's a lot more fun, faster paced, which is
like definitely what I like more, but like consistency wise,
Like let's say you like it's it's really hard to
like drop a donut on like as a zone team,

(01:28:41):
but like on Edge, Bro, like a donut it hurts
like a zero point game.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
That is that's like detrimental to like a mental Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
It's the best part to like bounce back if that
ever does happen.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
Oh Bro, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:28:58):
To be honest, I just blast music that can try
to forget it happened. I just I sit there, I
turn it up all the way. I just sit there
looking bad at my monitor. I'm just like, Okay, that
game didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
You have to go to a game day song or
bounce back song.

Speaker 10 (01:29:14):
Uh, to be honest, just my playlist and I just
I just shuffle it like whatever, whatever I get playlist.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
What's number one on that playlist right now?

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
Number one?

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
Hold on this pulled up right here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
You're gonna have one song that you're like you when
you go to the playlist, you click that song.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
For You're like hoping it pops up, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
When we won, I think we got second, like or
third one of the game day. I think it was
like our first game day or second. Actually, we won
a game on E District and I started playing Love
Sosa by Sheef Keith and nice Wee switches over to
like my POV and I'm just, oh, there's I'm over

(01:29:53):
there having fun Sycamore Heart out and he's just like
this kid wasn't even alive when it when it came out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Okay, Oh I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
No, that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
That's that's all I would assume. Going back to what
you were saying though, that I guess the structure of
Zone probably feels better because it's like when you're playing Edge,
you could be flying by the seat of your pants
and it could be like a seventeen kill game that
you win, or you could just like you said, have
a donut. But at least with Zone, like you said,
it's probably just that structure of knowing exactly what's going
to happen, I would say eighty percent of the time, right,

(01:30:28):
mm hmm.

Speaker 10 (01:30:29):
Yeah, Like most of the things, like when you play Zone,
a lot of the zones recently, like like the past
like a year or something, like they've been so repetitive,
like just always copy paste, you know, like and when
you play it so many times, you just know where
a team's going to be at when they're going to

(01:30:50):
be there, Like it's just so easy to predict how
the game's going to play out when you've done so
many reps on it. Yeah, but like with Edge, like
you know, a team could choose to like go this
way or this way because like of because like an
evil harvester is that way, Like like little things like
that affect like the the beginning of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
Like it's hard to predict now. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
We asked the same question to uh to Rambo when
we were bringing this exact situation up. But like you said,
a lot of times you're just sitting in a building
waiting for or just watching teams rotate.

Speaker 10 (01:31:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
I got to assume that that can get extremely boring
at times, just just very mind numbing. Rambo said he
likes to just work on his wall bounces, do different
stuff like that, is there something you're working on or
thinking about or just doing while you're waiting for like
the game to kind of get closer and closer to
the end.

Speaker 10 (01:31:45):
For scrims, like sometimes I might have a little music
in the background, like there's like nothing, Like I'm literally like,
these are scrims. You know, it's not worth anything, like obviously,
you know it's practice.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Get reps in. Like it's so hard for me to
like just not fall asleep. Sometimes I'm just sitting.

Speaker 10 (01:32:04):
There, like.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
We got we got triple blue?

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
What what was the was it a kangaroo fact that
you were looking up?

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
Oh no, you were mid tournament and you pulled up
Google mid game almost died looking up?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
What was the the reaction time of a dolphin?

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
What do you remember? It was like, yeah, is it
a good reaction? He's got the Google? Got to remember
the fact.

Speaker 9 (01:32:37):
There's a clip on Twitter of mid like mid they're
chilling and wall and then panic starts getting shot at,
almost dies, dashes its.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
Way into the building.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
Yeah, I react like instantly, I like I dashed backwards
hit a one eighty, and like I TP its like
the only safe spot in the next building.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
And I'm like, I got the reaction time of enough
and about I look at it up.

Speaker 10 (01:33:01):
And then as like as I'm tabbed out, I think
I hear like and being know like they're landing on you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
They're landing on you. I'm like what And then like
I tab in and they're landing on me. I start
screeching just like a dolphin, Like I don't know, and
I start running.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Yeah, I just I've always wondered with with Zone teams
like that. I just can't imagine that there there's just
got to be times where you're just all right, let's
look up the reaction time of a dolphin. Yeah, like
there's nothing else going on. That's actually if you play
Zone for the rest of your life and you just
continued to look up facts from like round one to

(01:33:40):
like round three, you could be a pretty smart person
by the end of that. Like you have a lot
of like, yeah, you could win a lot, Like if
you're not winning Apex tournaments, you could win like a
trivia night at like a restaurant or something like you
got you can stack up some facts, maybe even win Jeopardy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
That's just keep that, mom, It'll be like it's in game.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Hold on, I'm almost with this question.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Yeah, who the most hard zone team is anymore? Like
once upon a time, I'd be like, yeah, r kN
that's the guy who would fucking know everything.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Then about like all those random it's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Gotta be like every time we every time I bring
up Zone, everybody brings up Rambo.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Yeah, I mean they're they're like that charge rifle.

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
Back in the day, I used to saying, mm.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Hmmm, I guess I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
I think, yeah, I don't know why rcan comes to
mind that guy, just because even like ask on, all
they did was they just sat in zone and they
would never deviate from that path.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
Yeah, bro, it was.

Speaker 10 (01:34:36):
It's so demoralizing being triple Blue in god Spot getting
inted by triple double red purple Gold.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
Just like, bro, what do I like? What do I do?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Like?

Speaker 10 (01:34:48):
It's so hard to defend that, And like me and
Rambo have like this joke of like it's just like
the typical orchid game where you just die, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Eighth place one.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
Kill, We're just like, okay, bro, Like I feel like
we went through so much just for like three points.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
I'm just like, uh, yeah, that's the zone games. Just
sit there the whole time and then get your get
your seventh place. But like when you say that, and
I am asking this because I am like, I've never
hated a meta more. But like, what are your thoughts
on this Devo meta Gold Divo meta, especially when Ballistic.
I you know, I'm sure you're throwing that in the
sling when you're on the ballistic. What are your thoughts

(01:35:25):
of that right now?

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
This meta? You liking it or absolutely hating it? What
do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Okay, for COMP, I love this meta, But for Ranked,
it is the worst thing I've ever experienced. I hate
it so much. You get a knock. They also TP
like it's just so so boring and repetitive. But for COMP,
I really love it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
And like what I do with Ballistic, I don't know
if I've seen anyone else do it, but I I
don't put like since we play hard Edge, I don't
put the ballistic in my sling like I build it
up and then I have a rampage in my sling.
So I got and then Jen also builds up a
devo because like, I prefer the devo over rampage. But

(01:36:06):
you know, sometimes there's a scenarios where you know, got
to break down a door, and that's when I'll.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
Use the rampage. So it's like I got both, you know,
taking the worlds, Yes, the worlds.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
If if I faced a person like that in ranked,
I'd probably uninstall the game.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
I'll keep it. I'll keep it PEG and say that
I do something a long words though.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Yeah, so earlier I probably cut it from this, but
my child walked in on this interview and it just
reminded me of this question that I wanted to ask,
and it's like, you still being young. You know, you
have this opportunity to do all these things with gaming,
and I assume like trying to explain this to your
parents isn't the easiest thing, but I don't even know.

(01:36:50):
Maybe it was from your perspective, how was it to
kind of tell your parents like, hey, I'm gross in
a good way on this game and it could be
it could be life changing, Like did you have that
conversation with them or how did that conversation go?

Speaker 10 (01:37:03):
It wasn't really a conversation as much as me just
like updating them. Like I would be like like when
I was in CC, I wouldn't really you know, tell
them anything about Apex, you know, just they just know
that I'd be on Apex. But then I got in
pro league. I was like, I'm in pro league now,
like like they didn't really know what that meant. Like
I get like I assume they didn't, like I didn't
go too much like into detail, but then like whenever

(01:37:26):
it came out like you know, there's a land and
you're guaranteed the land if you're in pro league, I
was like, I mean, you know, I gotta tell them
about a land obviously, because like one of them had
to go because like I was, I'm under age, yeah,
And I mean I talked with my dad about it
and like asking me, like, you know, like what I
wanted to like do in life and stuff, you know,

(01:37:48):
just like a conversation like that, and like my like
what I want is like you know, obviously I want
to pursue this, like it would be like amazing because
like you know, I love doing it. I do it
every day, and like if I could do it one
for like money, like on salary, which like now I
am and like you know, just just having fun while
I'm doing it and like be able to like travel

(01:38:10):
the world while I do it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
It's just like like a combination.

Speaker 10 (01:38:14):
And so like talking with them like it wasn't really
hard to like you know, like they support me like
like like through all of it, and it's really nice
to have.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Did they start to like try to get into it
afterwards when you were trying to explain the land situation
or was it just like we're going to go with you,
but we just we don't really know what's happening. Or
did did they try to like get kind of involved
with with the format and how things were going.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:38:39):
No, they they definitely learned everything about the game. They know,
they know what match point is, they know like they know,
you know, top ten, you go next. They made they
made Twitter accounts, they made Twitch accounts, like they really
got into.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
So they're supportive.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Then, Yeah, I love that you're doing the right thing too, right,
which is really cool. Like a lot of pros don't
take the opportun unity when they get it to like
start building out their brand and everything like that. And
even though there was the whole like cheater accusation situations,
like why it said look great from the beginning, you
were just like being funny on Twitter, like with this situation,
and you followed you for that purpose, right, but even

(01:39:13):
now last month you put in two hundred and thirty
hours streaming. Uh, and like you know, you're you're averaging
averaging preticuod yews like you one hundred and forty average viewers,
which is kind of insane to be doing. And I
know you should you just graduated, but at the time
you still would have been doing that on top of school.
So like you're trying to make sure that, like on
top of competing, you got your salary all that stuff.

(01:39:35):
You're trying to build your brand on your own, because
that's probably the most important thing. Like this is such
a precarious industry and for your age, Like if you
want to dive into it, chase your dreams you're young,
go for it, but make sure that you have other
stuff in place at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
You're taking the good approach it. That's cool to see.

Speaker 10 (01:39:49):
Yeah, And like with what you said about the cheating thing,
like if there was one thing I could do, like
when that happened, Like I've responded to like every single
little hate comment, which I should not have done that,
like looking back, like.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
I had people left and right telling me not to
and I just didn't listen. I ignored them.

Speaker 10 (01:40:08):
And I like, that's why I, like I understand the
Internet like a lot more now, was because I went
through that, and like I understand, like it's just don't respond.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
To the hate, just keep going and like, don't do nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:40:21):
And if I could change one thing, obviously it's you know,
not respond to every single little thing and argue with
someone in like some random Twitter you know, is I
would I would have marketed like so much more off
of it, Like I didn't, like, I didn't upload like
on TikTok, like nothing, like you know, I would have
really taken advantage of like the entire situation while it

(01:40:43):
was hot.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
To be fair, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Feel like you did a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
And even though like you probably shouldn't responded to every
single one me personally, I read every response and I
was laughing my ass off, Like I said, I brought
you up on this podcast. I was like, I don't
know who this guy is is. I had no idea,
I had no idea about anything, but every tweet you
would put out. You know, Twitter has like the for you.
I wasn't even following you at the time, but every

(01:41:08):
time I refresh it, it was just panic responding to
somebody at the top of my for you, and I
was just reading everyone going back on the page watching it,
so listen. It was probably not the smartest thing at
the time, but there you did make some fans from
it because I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
I came on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I was like, I don't know if this guy's cheating.
I have no idea, but I'm gonna say right now,
this is hilarious, like this is funny. And you could
have marketed a little bit more, yes, maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
Who knows, maybe a little bit more positively, maybe a little.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Bit more positively. But I think it worked out for
you in the end. And I do think this is
a I don't know how I can turn this into
a question, but I do think this is something to
take a look at. Is I think everything happened for
a reason for you and that situation the way it
played out where you decided I'm gonna step away for
a couple months and then you come back and I
think you had talked about there were some times where

(01:41:56):
you could have teamed, and those teaming opportunities fell through.
I think it might have had to fall through for
you you to get to this opportunity that you're at
now right Like who knows what happens, Like maybe things
don't go well because at that time Alberlelli was kind
of struggling at you know, around that around that timeframe.
So it's like, maybe it all worked out for you
in the end, And yes, there was some opportunities you

(01:42:16):
might have missed out on, but you have one sitting
in front of you right now, and you seem to
be doing a good job about it. So I guess
I'll ask it this way, is like, have your parents
been able to help you kind of map out what
you want to do with your content slash professional career
moving forward?

Speaker 10 (01:42:33):
I mean mainly like content wise, you know, just like
going forward in the future. I've mainly like I want
to be in control of that, Like I want to
I want to be able to like know exactly what
I want instead of like like obviously they're helpful, but
like I just want it all because like it's my future,
So like I want to like be in charge of
like you know everything that like that happens M.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's it's just one of
those things where once again it's like you rewind and
it's like it's just crazy to me to see like
how I was talking about it then to now. But
it is what it is and now we're here, and
now we're here and we're doing good boys. I don't
have too many more if you guys don't either, but
I got one.

Speaker 9 (01:43:17):
Okay, now that you're signed to TSM, a little bit
more eyes on you, Does this mean that we can
expect less of the panic crash outs?

Speaker 6 (01:43:31):
Because I did.

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
There are some legendary ones, including one about oxygen Josh,
which I think yes, which if you I mean that
one's probably straight from the internet at this point it
was mad Now, dude, there has been some legendary panic crashouts.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Wasn't you have more ahead or is that is that
behind you?

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
I mean, as much as I would, you know, want
it to stay like.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Like, I just can't.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
I can't be doing that like sadly like.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Desk slam one literally like a week ago. I remember
seeing a clip of you just destroying your.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Desk there I've been there last night.

Speaker 10 (01:44:18):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's there's a lot of the
desk slams. One since I've got my face cam. But
like since, like I said, the since Dupe and I,
like we all had that conversation. They were like, they're like,
it's fine, you do it in rank, Like if that's
your content idea, that's fine. You know, like if people
like it, then they like it. If they don't, they don't.
But like they said, all they asked for me is
like not do it in a competitive professional like environment,

(01:44:41):
which I like, I build habits right, So like I
feel like if I do it in like ranks or whatever,
then I would definitely do it in scrims. So overall,
I've just like I just like got to stop doing it.
So like I I think last time I punished my
desk was like yesterday morning, which is like.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
That doesn't sound like that long ago.

Speaker 9 (01:45:03):
I thought you're gonna say, what, Yeah, we're gonna be
like like a month on desks, not on people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
In the direction we're moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
I guess we gotta congratulate him though, on it being
yesterday morning and on this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Four hours, yeah, last twenty four.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
Hours it's probably closer to thirty six hours strong at
this point.

Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
Yeah, we're making it. We're making it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Oh yeah, Oh we're gonna keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
We're gonna keep times now, and it's gonna be Panic like,
how many days since Panic last smashed his desk?

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
That's actually yeah, I just put I would like a
counter like that'd be nice, you know, day like like
it's like those classic like job site things where it's
like days without an accident. You just ha in the
background in your stream, and when you do hit the desk,
you gotta flip it back to zero, so you gotta
start all over it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Yeah, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
You have any more?

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Before your questions?

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Got your last one?

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
I got wait before your last one. These are two
questions that they're together. How many times did you play
on main stage at open?

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Do you remember? Like it was like two or three times?

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
It was three times.

Speaker 10 (01:46:15):
Three times we played winners round two on main stage,
we played elim round three on main stage, and then
we played finals on main stage.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
So I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Like so we always ask a question here, do whether
you prefer top bunk, so the top of the stage
or the bottom bunk I don't know if you got
the opportunity to play on both, because I remember you
guys were on bottom for one of the sets. We
were sitting like almost right in front of you. But nonetheless,
with the experience you had limited experienced three three sets,
top bunk or bottom bunk, which would you prefer playing
at lant on the main.

Speaker 10 (01:46:45):
Staine like, we were only on bottom bunk, But Bro,
I wanted top so bad.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Bro, I feel like it was you know, I feel
like I'm flying out there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
All crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
Yeah, I feel like it would have been more fun.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
So the answer we normally get people always say bottom
is the best because I guess at the earlier days
for some of the players who've been around for a while,
like I guess, it used to shake, but I think
they've made it a lot better to where it doesn't
shake anymore. So it's better for M and K players.
Controller players doesn't really affect them. But I they say,
on bottom bunk you get to see the crowd like

(01:47:21):
a little bit better because they're closer to you, but
top you get to see like the lights and everything,
and and I'm assuming top would probably be better at
Japan because Japan had them, so Japan top.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
People like top at Japan because you can see the
crowd better from there, and the crowd because you like,
if you're too close to the front, you couldn't see
the bottom. Interestingly enough, I did hear from Burke he
told me that top, it open, was shaky. I don't
know if that's because it was a smaller area that
they had to compact that stage into, right, because the
Japan stage was massive comparsion that one, right, So like,

(01:47:53):
I don't know if that was the reason why he
did say it was shaky. So I wonder if you
get up on top, you're like, nah, I don't I
don't like that, yeah, right, Birk said, like they can
literally feel like when people underneath would even jump up
and stuff like that, it would shake.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
So either way, yeah, you only got the experience at bottom,
he said, you want it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
It's interesting. Most people do say bottom.

Speaker 6 (01:48:11):
Though I heard.

Speaker 10 (01:48:12):
I heard the top was like really hot though, because
like all the PCs going, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
He yeah, that's another thing they always say. Top is
typically a lot harder and why some of them don't
like it. We had Hal who won three lands up
until this year on the top and then he still
said bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
So that was so you know, to each their own
bottom is to each do you want to hit him
with it?

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
All?

Speaker 10 (01:48:36):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
Panic the question. It's been a while since I've asked
this question.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
We've had a lot of repeats.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
We get a lot of repeats.

Speaker 6 (01:48:44):
It's almost like, I'll shoot what.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
I almost forgot it too, Like, wait, what it's the
top one percent? Top one percent?

Speaker 6 (01:48:52):
I I I had lots of time to really just
regain it. I panic.

Speaker 9 (01:48:57):
The question that I ask everybody who comes on the
pod for their first time is you are currently performing
in the top one percent of your field, without question.
You're about to be heading to land for your second time.
Absolutely love to see it. And so in this journey
that you've gone on to get into the top one percent,

(01:49:19):
what is something that you could, like, what's something that
you've learned along the way that regardless of the field
that somebody was pursuing, they would be able to take
and apply it to their pursuit of getting into the
top one percent.

Speaker 10 (01:49:36):
I mean a basic one is just like just like
just don't give up, because like, especially from like my
journey from like the haccusations to like just not giving
up and like still going and then like now being
like a potential like you know, like really really good
player at the top is just like it's like just
not giving up and focusing on like what you really
want because like one person I can point out right now,

(01:49:59):
I feel like, uh, Vasky. I feel like Vosky is
really good and like I don't know why. I don't
know why he's not in pro league. I feel like
he definitely deserves it. He's good enough, like he just
I don't know, just like this does not give up
and he'll he'll definitely make it. I mean that goes
for like anyone, if they really want something, then they'll
get it. Like that's how I see it in my eyes,

(01:50:20):
Like I feel like it can really, like you know,
if it's like not like some crazy dream like that's
just not possible. I feel like anything could really happen,
Like anything's possible as long as you like you want
it and you find out how to want it, like
how to how to get it if you want it
bad enough.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Yeah, maybe the only crazy thing that you couldn't achieve
is like getting the reaction time of like a dolphin. Right, Yeah,
that's gonna be tough to do because that's like, yeah,
a wild animal. No, honest, honestly, man, Panic, it's been
awesome having you on also, real quick panic pause in
the interview, don't leave When I say, all right, see you,
I'm just gonna stop it and we gotta wait time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Hokloads. So I just had to say I forgot to
tell you that before we started, Yeah, because I was
afraid you were just gonna back out immediately I was
getting I was.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Yeah, yeah, all right, here we go three two butt
Panic once again, Thanks man for hopping on. It's been
a pleasure having you on the show. Uh And next
time hopefully when we bring you back on, you got
a trophy to your name. You're not just out your
second land. You've got a trophy now that's what we're
hoping for again. Thanks for hopping on man.

Speaker 5 (01:51:28):
Of course, of course, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
All right, ladies and gents, we got the regional roundup.
We've got the regional round up. We're gonna go through
E M, E A, APAX South and APAC North, going
through and talking about everything that went down as we
get ready for EWC coming up here in just a bit.
Now don you already know how we start this thing.
We always go with E M e A First, Let's

(01:51:51):
kick it off with Saturday run through kind of what
went down in the E M e A region.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Let's get it.

Speaker 8 (01:51:58):
Yeah, so Saturday was a crazy day. Like we mentioned
in the beginning part of the episode, ten k out
of complete nowhere, somehow gets Nasky out of the woodworks,
get him onto the roster right before the roster lock,
and not only win the day, they win three games,

(01:52:22):
they make five out of six end zones, and they
get the bonus point for winning the three games and
absolutely catapult themselves up the standings to even give themselves
a shot. And it was just absolutely unbelievable day by them.
Nasky really filling in well, kind of slipped into the
fragger role now, which he really hasn't been too much

(01:52:44):
of on a lot of previous iterations of teams. He's
been an aggressive igl at times, especially when like Wraith
was in the meta, and we definitely saw a lot
of the Wraith players he was able to make this weekend.
There was one specifically on E District where he it's
the final three team teams and as the teams are
all kind of converging on ten k spot. He actually
ports out gets back behind.

Speaker 7 (01:53:06):
All the teams.

Speaker 8 (01:53:08):
I believe Post either post Kill or cacherra I canmember
which one we're able to take the port with them,
and they actually got some shots of the back to
the other two teams end up winning the game. So
absolutely an amazing job by those guys. It was again
such an amazing storyline to see and that was definitely
the highlight of the Saturday. I don't know what your

(01:53:29):
thoughts are again on that, if you want to talk
about it again, but it was just crazy to see.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Yeah, I think once again, I think it's just better
when Naski's in there. I think you need to have
some names whenever you have these tournaments, right and especially
representing other regions. We already know the Americas and I
think most people know the America's regions big names. You
want to have more of the big names from these
other regions representing so that that region can grow. And
it's like a lot of times people do only watch
the NA but for those other like any watchers, to

(01:53:58):
be able to know that there's other names that they
could go ahead and watching these other regions. It gives
them more apex to watch, and it gives them more
of a reason to go to tune in and and
and make sure that their knowledge expands as the esport expands.
So it's always better to having Dane like Nasky in there.
And I actually met him at that bar when we
were in New Orleans, but I was hammered. Yeah, that

(01:54:23):
was about That was about it.

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Yeah, that definitely sounded like some interesting times if I,
you know, had had gone I did not.

Speaker 7 (01:54:32):
Yeah, probably one of the biggest throws.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Of my one of the biggest. It's okay, we'll have.

Speaker 7 (01:54:38):
Definitely definitely over it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
You know, it's fine, you sound like it.

Speaker 7 (01:54:42):
I definitely do. Definitely.

Speaker 8 (01:54:44):
The lighting definitely helps with me being being over it
as well. And I'm not sitting here in a dark
room sad about it anyway. So but I say the
other big storyline though from that Saturday Go Next once
again kind of drops a dud.

Speaker 7 (01:54:58):
And when I say kind of, they they basically did.

Speaker 8 (01:55:01):
They They get sixteenth and I just again, it's one
of those things where you just wonder what is going
on where, you know, with their consistency, because you got
three players that have a ton of experience, you think
pro League would be pretty simple for them, but it

(01:55:24):
has just not been the smoothest of roads. And with
that result, I know that pushes them outside of the
top eight qualifying spots.

Speaker 7 (01:55:32):
So they're definitely gonna have to really.

Speaker 8 (01:55:33):
Lock in for the regional final and place high, otherwise
we might see them miss out on EWC, which I
think would definitely be one of the biggest shockers of
the AMIA Pro League side. Another really big name that
probably people will be talking about would be Dragons, which

(01:55:54):
is case twenty and the boys over there get a thirteenth,
which again they were sitting in a d spot, but
with that particular result, they also did not play on
Sunday and they also drop outside of the.

Speaker 7 (01:56:07):
Top eight spot, so it's gonna be very interesting to see.

Speaker 8 (01:56:11):
We'll get the scoreboard here Alsie in a minute after
we talk about Sunday, But those are two teams that
definitely going into Saturday, we're a lot more comfortable than
when they left Saturday, so it's gonna be very interesting
to see what happens with those two teams specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Yeah, now we move into Sunday here and Team Nemesis
was the winner, Alliance in second, and Gaming Gladiators and third.
But the story I do want to talk about here
because we already know what Alliance can bring, and we'll
get to Nemesis here in a moment. But Phase I
had mentioned last time that we did this, that phase
was on the up and up, and for whatever reason,
it just seemed like the team was starting to gell
a little bit better. And you had mentioned something along

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the lines of when you have a team who's able
to play a little bit more time, like have more
time together and get past that initial feeling out process,
things can start to really look good. Now once again,
they had such an awful start to the season that
currently they're still sitting at sixteenth, but at least they're
in the regional final. Like you gave yourself an opportunity
in the regional final, and this is after a zero

(01:57:09):
point day to start. The first day they got a
one point and since then they've ripped off, ripped off eighteen, nine,
fourteen and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Phase.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
I mean, this is a team that could surprise some people.
And if you're in a Regonal regional final situation, who knows?

Speaker 8 (01:57:28):
Yeah, definitely, And I mean, like you mentioned a zero
in a one point day. They were legitimately dead last
at one point. And the fact that they even have
a sign of life that they're you know, up into
the regional qualifying spots, are gonna be able to have
the ability to play in regional finals and like you mentioned,
just give themselves even a chance. Like we mentioned with

(01:57:50):
the elevator regional points, again, it's still gonna be tough
to pass a lot of these teams because again a
lot of these other.

Speaker 7 (01:57:56):
Teams will also be scoring points. But even when we're
looking at.

Speaker 8 (01:57:59):
Some of the projects here that I know Privacy had
brought up as I get it up here, they're looking
at probably somewhere for their cutoff being potentially in the
mid nineties. There are some scenarios where it is in
the eighties. So it'll be very interesting to see if
they are able to get like a second place, you know,

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that gives them I believe, twenty nine points. That gets
them pretty close to that eighty point mark. So it's
going to be very interesting to see if they can
continue their momentum that they've started to build or if
it ends up being a little bit too late. Again
with being at regional finals, Obviously, Alliance will be the
heavy favorites going into that regional final, and I would
be shocked if Alliance didn't win. But if it's not Alliance,

(01:58:43):
there's a lot of other teams that are really scrapping
to be that second best team in a media right
now and phase plan. If they can continue to build
on their chemistry, who's to say they can't find their
way to sneak in and win regional finals.

Speaker 7 (01:58:56):
So it'll it's definitely a good shout. It'll be very
interesting to see what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Now. Speaking of the overall standings right now, I see
I say we kind of move into these overall standings
here because we talk about Team Nemesis winning winning Sunday,
they're probably in that upper echelon of teams in em
EA where they're really not worried about anything. You've got
Alliance at one hundred and twenty eight points, You've got
Nave at one oh nine, and then Nemesis at one hundred.

(01:59:21):
The drop off is significant. It goes from one hundred
points back down to eighty three. So really, if you're
in that zone, that gray area, you're shooting for around
that fourth place spot. If that's where you're trying to
get to. I don't think many teams are going to
have the opportunity to really jump over that. And you
look at some of these teams on the outside. You

(01:59:41):
mentioned the Dragon earlier, you mentioned Ron, and you have
Aurora surprisingly down there, and then you have Phase like
there is an opportunity here, and it seems so daunting
to be an EMBA and only have those eight spots.

Speaker 8 (01:59:53):
Man, Yeah, I couldn't imagine, especially when Alliance already is qualified,
it is one of them one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (02:00:01):
It wouldn't matter where they finished.

Speaker 8 (02:00:03):
You know, it basically only gives you seven spots to
play with, right, and we're just talking about the odds
with how again a bunch of teams are kind of
fighting for those next few spots underneath the Alliance we
take a look at like the math here, I know
that along with the Alliance obviously that was already qualified,
Nave and Nemesis, like you mentioned, are one hundred percent
mathematically guaranteed, So you only are playing for five spots

(02:00:27):
like that is absolutely, like you mentioned, Daunte, to have
that thought process, especially if you're not one of those
teams that's already in those spots four through eight. It
is going to be a an absolute dog fight on
Sunday for these teams.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
Even if you're in those spots, it goes eighty three,
eighty three, eighty one point eighty, seventy five, seventy five,
seventy four, seventy two, seventy and then at that's going
down to thirteenth, then you're at sixty five, sixty one,
sixty fifty eight fift Like it's so tight, it's an accordion.
Right now, everything is super close after that third place position,

(02:01:05):
like it is extremely close.

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
Yeah, And I'm just like along with that, you're just
mentioning the names that are in these spots. Right you
got Team War that's got Arctic and that's got played
on a ton of big ton of big time rosters,
and amya, you've got ten K like we mentioned with
Naski and Kashera and post Kill. You've got gaming gladiators
that we haven't brought up yet. Absolutely save their vibes

(02:01:29):
that they had before going into Sunday, they were I
don't even want to say down and out, but they
were very close to having to basically win regional finals
to get them into EWC. But they end up coming
away with the third place, being able to get themselves
into the picture, get into that eighth place spot, absolutely
huge for them. It definitely seemed like they finally found

(02:01:50):
some comfortability within the roster. But again they're in the mix.
You've got Ronan, like we mentioned, you got to go next,
like we mentioned Dragons, and again you just go down
to a team like even Aurora Face Play. I mean,
there are so many big names that are on the
verge of not going, and it's like, who is going
to end up taking those last couple of spots. Again, like,
I am very excited to watch. It's gonna be a

(02:02:12):
one hell of a Sunday for these teams. And again
I'm just as much as it sucks and not qualified
for regional finals for our team, I'm kind of glad
I'm not playing or being involved because oh yeah, I
would be stressed.

Speaker 7 (02:02:23):
The fuck out if I was coaching or anything. So
it's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:02:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Now let's move over into a Pac North and we
had another two days over there and we're gonna get
into all of the regional final stuff. But we start
off with e thirty six. The hat I am wearing
inter four thirty six win the day or r Ex
right behind Keno Trope behind them, and then down we

(02:02:48):
have to talk about what's going on. So from your
perspective on this day, we do see crazy Raccoons jump
up a little bit higher to that seventh place. And
this is a team we've talked about a few times
here already. But what did you see there on Saturday?

Speaker 8 (02:03:03):
Yeah, I mean, definitely the big storyline to mention, you know,
we would have to mention E thirty six just played
absolutely out of their minds the whole week, the whole day.

Speaker 7 (02:03:14):
Big shout out to them.

Speaker 8 (02:03:14):
They end up winning three games, which again gets you
a bonus point in the overall standings. And I mean
we're talking about games that they absolutely fracked out. They
had a fourteen kill win in game two, twelve kill
win in game three, and they had an eleven kill
win in game five. I mean, just whether it's swarm
point E District, they just they absolutely fragged out on
the day. Huge, huge props to those guys because there's

(02:03:38):
definitely some question marks when they had the roster change
of what they would still look like was chance kind
of a fluke because we had just seen them. You
know in Germany last year, right, they're the team that
everybody is like, Oh, they enter TSM, they ruined tsm's
chance to win. Why the hell will you jump off
the height? And now you go to oh they're one
of like the names to know and eight back North.

(02:03:58):
So it's definitely been a very big improvement from these
guys just in terms of consistency. We'll obviously have to
see if they can replicate that in terms of a
midseason playoff EWC type setting, but at least for this day,
big props to them.

Speaker 7 (02:04:14):
They played extremely well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Now we move into Sunday here and SBI E Sports
they get the win. GHS Boom and name we've seen
a lot there in second place, Uh do you say,
how would you say?

Speaker 10 (02:04:27):
This is it?

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Arneb Arnib? Yeah, Arnib And then we got Nosy Fox
over there and fourth once again Crazy Raccoons in fifth place.
So back to back days, big days for Crazy Raccoons.
What happened on Sunday down.

Speaker 8 (02:04:42):
Yeah, definitely want to get a big shout out to SBI.
They're a team that, again I don't think a ton
of people have really mentioned or talked about, maybe outside
the region but with that day, they catapult themselves into
fifth overall, which we'll get we'll break that down here
in a moment, but it was an absolutely big day
for them, and they'd come off a sixth play on
that Saturday as well.

Speaker 7 (02:05:01):
So they've been definitely one of the.

Speaker 8 (02:05:03):
Nice surprises so far because the big story with a
packed North this year is just like there's just been
a lot more parody outside of Nosey Fox.

Speaker 7 (02:05:10):
Really this year.

Speaker 8 (02:05:11):
We really haven't seen like the Fanatic being as dominant
as we expect them to be, and some of these
other orgs like a Crazy Raccoon, like a retal Order,
we really haven't seen them come out and dominate like
we've seen in the past. So SBI has really done
a good job at stepping up and taking one of
those spots that has been kind of vacated by some
of these other teams, like you mentioned Crazy Raccoon. Somehow,

(02:05:33):
the depths of how bad they've played so far in
Pro League, they managed two top sevens. They get themselves
into the regional final picture and again give themselves a shot,
because that's all you can do when you kind of
have those rough starts, right, It's just give yourself a shot.
It's a team we've seen that's one on land. You know,
they have won or match point finals before. I believe,

(02:05:55):
if I remember correctly, they're the roster that won a
match a regional final in four games, which I believe
it's like the fastest it's ever happened across.

Speaker 7 (02:06:06):
The entire world.

Speaker 8 (02:06:07):
No one's ever done it quicker than that, And it'll
be very interesting to see with as much experience as
these guys have in a match point setting, whereas some
of these other teams probably don't have that same experience, right,
can they figure it out on on Saturday? I believe
our Saturday, our time would be Sunday of their time.

Speaker 7 (02:06:25):
But you know what, what can they bring?

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:06:28):
Because I really do think that if they can find
some of their old form, being very aggressive, getting some kills,
but also being able to hold down their spots and
lock down wins there, they can be as big a
threat as anybody in that regional final. So I'll be
very interested to see what happens with them. But yeah,
it's it's again. We can get in the standings here.

Speaker 7 (02:06:48):
Now it's gonna be a crazy, crazy region as well.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Yeah, so this region is going to be a lot
more interesting, I would say, than e MBA, and the
reason being is the points difference. There is not as
big of a gap in Apac North that there was
in EMBA. The number one team is sitting at one
hundred and four points, but then after that you go
down from ninety three, ninety two, eighty nine, eighty five,

(02:07:14):
seventy eight, seventy seven and so forth. It is very
very close, which means if any team, who I mean,
even if you're Nosey Fox, you probably still want to
have somewhat of a eacent day. You don't absolutely have
to win, but if you're having any of that take place,
you're going to need to make sure that you perform today.
The teams in there are Nosey Fox, are rx E

(02:07:37):
thirty six, gh Boom, SBI E Sports R ANDEB, Keina
Trope Gaming and Fanatic is sitting in that final spot.
They are tied with Keena Trope at seventy seven points.
But just outside of that a lot of other teams
are waiting in the wings. We have teams like Reject,
we have teams like Crazy Raccoons. So this is going

(02:07:59):
to be interesting. One down from your perspective, Where are
you looking at on these standings and why is Fanatic
so far down on this leaderboard that we've expected them
for so long be at the top of Yeah, and.

Speaker 8 (02:08:12):
Just for some extra context too, just in terms of
the numbers, Nosey Fox is the only team that is
fully mathematic qualified. Again, like you mentioned, though, they do
want to have another great day because based on where
they finish, that does come into play when it comes
to like seed and where they go into pools things
like that. So they'll definitely want to be on top
of where they've on top of where they place in

(02:08:33):
a regional finals, so they kind of guarantee themselves that
number one slot in Apac North. But after that, like
you mentioned, like there's nobody that is fully safe. Obviously
the RX is the thirty six is GHS probably feeling
pretty decent with where they're at, But again you still
got to show up the projections we've got here from
privacy is putting this somewhere between like eighty seven points

(02:08:54):
to like ninety two to ninety three. So there's still
a couple teams you know, that are in those top
seven eight spots that do feel pretty comfortable with where
they're at, but they still are going to have to
show up.

Speaker 7 (02:09:05):
Mike.

Speaker 8 (02:09:05):
You mentioned with Fanatic they are right there on the
cusps of not making it. We're talking about a team
that I'm pretty sure is one like three of the
last four or four of the last five splits of
Pro League and a PAC North. So they're not in
a position that they're really used to, right, and you've
got a roster that it's their first split together. The
only one that was on Finatic previously was yuk F.

(02:09:27):
You've got Carl Garcia and the libel Ace that are
all that are still pretty new to high level competitive apex.
So how do they respond in a pressure situation?

Speaker 7 (02:09:36):
Right?

Speaker 8 (02:09:37):
Do we see the Fanatic that has won match days
and has looked really good in as fragged out lobbies,
or do we see that team that has placed in
the bottom three of matchdays. You know, it really is
going to come down to. I think if they can
get off to a good start, they kind of get
themselves settled in, they win some fights early, I feel
like they'll definitely coast to being pretty comfortable with where

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they'll finish. But if they str that first game or two,
you know what is their response. Can a guy like
UKF carry them and get them comfortable to where they
need to be, because right now you got Yuka f
has seventy four kills in the split and then Curl
garcias forty six and lebel Ace has thirty three, which
is not really what you expected with this roster. You
kind of expected a little bit more evened out amongst

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them just because of their ability to fight, especially level as.
So it's gonna be very interesting to see if they
even get off to a slow start in regional finals,
can they bounce back, because again you got two guys
that are a little bit newer to this level of
APEX and especially the fanatic name, so it's gonna be
very interesting to see there. The only other note again,

(02:10:42):
Crazy Raccoon will definitely see how they do. Reject is
another team that we've seen when a match day, do
they find a way to pop off and catapult themselves
into the top eight. That'll be another interesting thing to see.
And then just the last little nugget that I'll mention
is Riddle order. This is out on regional finals, which

(02:11:02):
again you're talking about melt Stira Saku Taita. I mentioned
their names a couple of times in the past couple
of regional recaps afraid that they might miss regional finals,
and unfortunately they do end up missing out by five points.
So it'll definitely be very unfortunate to see them miss out.
That's definitely a roster that is a phone one to
watch when they're on all their on top of their game.

(02:11:26):
So well, that's one less team some of these teams
have to worry about that. We expected to be there,
but yeah, it's gonna be another slub fest for those
last couple of spots, because again you got seventy eight points,
seventy seven, seventy seven, seventy three, sixty six. I mean,
it's all right there for a lot of these teams.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Let's move into the final region here, this is a
pack South and we go into Saturday, and it's a
name that we're very familiar with. It is VK Gaming
at the top once again. I mean, they are really
just dominant. I also love their new logo by the way,
like I like that they did the lighter colors doesn't

(02:12:04):
really matter. VK Gaming at the top. We got al
Kadzia in second place. I'm not even going to try
to say that team name in third and then lonely
let gone in fourth down.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
Let's run through and talk about Saturday in Apax South.

Speaker 8 (02:12:20):
Yeah, VK Gaming once again showing the team that they
have been now this past year. Again, a lot of
people have probably mentioned before like can they be consistent,
and they've definitely proven it this split. I think this
defly is their chance at EWC to really stake acclaim
as the best team in Apax South right now. And

(02:12:43):
you know, especially if they end up making another finals,
that'll be their fourth land tournament that they make finals.
Qq has been insane this split. He had twenty one
kills in this match day, which again in six games
is kind of nuts. He has eighty seven kills in
the six match days overall, So the guy's been absolutely frying.

(02:13:04):
THEVK Gaming as a whole has been frying. Has definitely
been a fun, fun, fun team to watch, and again
they can do it by getting kills, they can do
it by playing zone. They just are very much a
complete team and one to definitely watch out for. Alkatsia
from left field man. They finally are the team that

(02:13:26):
we saw at the Open and that we've seen from
these guys in the past. Just a huge day for
I just think for their mental because again I think
that's a team that we all know they can be good,
but it's just let's try to obviously peek at the
right time, and they absolutely did that this weekend. Obviously
they get the second place in this block. They did
a great job, really did a great job of playing

(02:13:47):
a lot of good zones. Didn't really have to frag
out too crazy this weekend, but just did a really
good job, you know, second place. The first game, third,
the second game, they win, the third game, third, the
fourth game.

Speaker 7 (02:14:00):
I mean, I think they only had one game.

Speaker 8 (02:14:03):
Looks like that they finished outside the top ten, but
I mean they had four you know, top fours, so
I mean that's pretty damn impressive to say the least.
Shout out to Panda, who's an analyst like I talked
to quite a bit. He was definitely hoping they'd figure
their shit out and definitely looks like they did, so
they kudos them.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
Yeah. And then in fifth place we have jen Esports,
which which was formerly green Stego, and as we move
into Sunday, Green Stego now gen Esports, they win the
day they get first place on the day. On Sunday,
Wybu Gaming in second, Soul Esports, and al Kadzia once
again follows it up with a fourth place. I would

(02:14:43):
like to say to lonely let Gon near the top
in both of those days as well.

Speaker 7 (02:14:48):
Yeah, definitely, it was a definitely a very interesting day. Jen.

Speaker 8 (02:14:54):
I mean again, kind of just showed their ability again.
I think right now it's really GVK Gaming and kind
of everyone else right now. SA and al Katza definitely
are still up there too, but gen G and VK
Gaming have definitely been the most consistent through the Pro League,
and they definitely just show again today picking up another

(02:15:14):
match they win. I believe that ended up catt Yeah,
I end up catting houlding them, catapulting them to first
overall in the Pro League. So definitely big shot out
to them. And I mean you just look at even
some of those numbers that they put up across the
Pro League. Their plus minus and damage is thirty thousand,
so they've damaged out more, you know, like thirty thousand

(02:15:37):
more than what they took in. I mean, that's just
an insane stat to me. They had one hundred and
nine thousand damage and forty and you know, and what
is that? That'd be thirty six games of APEX. I mean,
that's pretty damn insane to say the least. I don't
care what region you're in. So they definitely feel good
about themselves. Waveboat Gaming obviously pops up there, a team

(02:15:58):
that we've been waiting to see if they could figure
it out. Unfortunately, just was not enough to jump themselves in.
It's actually really unfortunate because if they would have won
the match day, they would have got twentieth and made
the regional final and they but they miss out literally
by one point at the end. So definitely huge kidos

(02:16:19):
of them for trying to bounce back and get into
the top twenty. But really this day, outside of wayboat Gaming,
was really just about the big guns. He had jing
Giaosie in first say Alkatia only like on on, like
you mentioned like on. Somehow through all the controversy has
figured out a way to put together a couple decent
match days at the end getting the fourth, like we

(02:16:40):
mentioned on Saturday fifth here on Sunday, It's gonna be
very interesting to see if they can kind of figure
their way, you know, especially since they've had all the
drama and things like that.

Speaker 7 (02:16:49):
So if they can get consistent.

Speaker 8 (02:16:51):
And figure out, you know, how exactly they can play
who their full third will be moving forward, they can
be a team.

Speaker 7 (02:16:57):
I think that'll kind of regain the form that we
saw at the beginning early.

Speaker 1 (02:17:00):
Let's round it out here with the overall standings. If
we go into jen G E Sports, VK Gaming, and
sol Esports, they're all kind of in the league of
their own. This is very reminiscent of THEMEA. Got one
hundred and twenty three points, one hundred and twenty two
and then one oh one Following that, it's a quick
drop off to eighty eight and that's JD Gaming, followed
by rival Esports, Lonely let Gon, al Kadzia, and Wolves Esports.

(02:17:24):
Those are your top eight, but they're going to have
to keep playing well everybody outside of the top three
because it is very close. Once again, these point totals
are not separated by a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
Now, Al Kadzi and.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Lonely let Gon jumped up seven spots each going into
this final, this regional final, so that's big for them
and for al Kadzia. They really don't have to worry
about anything because they're basically already qualified, So don it
just basically means that there are only four spots remaining,
right because al Kadzi is already locked in, and then
the first three, I mean there are leaps bounds above

(02:18:00):
some of these other teams here.

Speaker 8 (02:18:02):
Yeah, and if you actually even throw in JD Gaming two,
they are mathematically, according to oversight.

Speaker 7 (02:18:08):
Qualified as well.

Speaker 8 (02:18:09):
So you only have three spots left for the other
seventeen t or for the other god that's not seventeen.
That's great math. What is that fifteen where the number
is what the number is? Yeah, but you only have
so many spots left, you know, and you've got so
many teams that are so tight knit, like you mentioned,
you got a little like Gone at seventy five, rival

(02:18:31):
E Sports at seventy five, you got Wolves at seventy three,
you know, seventy one, it's ninth place. They got sixty nine,
tenth place, sixty seven, sixty seven. It is just it
is so close for these last couple of spots, and
one place, you know, again with the elevated points, is
definitely going to make a huge difference for these guys
no matter where they place, and it's it's definitely gonna

(02:18:54):
be very interesting to see. And again, one thing to
keep an eye on too is that if Alcazia were
to fall out of the top eight, it's then only
the top seven and points that will move on. So
that's gonna be another thing of where they end up finishing.
A lot of teams might be helping they finish higher,
some teams might be hop when they don't finish higher,
So it's gonna be very interesting to see how they

(02:19:16):
decide to play the day. Do they kind of experiment
with some things that they try to jump themselves up
a little bit more. There is money on the line
for where they finish in pro league, so that's always
something to keep in mind. And also the chance points
as well. We really haven't mentioned that too much, but
where you finish in these pro leagues give you chance
points moving forward. So it's gonna be very interesting how

(02:19:37):
some of these teams that are already qualified decide to
play it out. Because you're not only thinking about mid
season playoffs your form now you're thinking about just making
your path champs that much easier moving forward. So we yeah,
we are in for a crazy weekend, to say the least,
and I will probably somehow be watching all of it
yet again.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
So yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:19:58):
Let's hope we get some fourteen games, bangers. Let's hope
we get some quick ones as well too. Let's just
hope we have a good time this weekend regional finals.
Ladies and gents, we're gonna send it on down to
the heart to heart and send you guys into the week.
Let's get it all right, ladies and gents.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
That was Panic. Shout out to TSM Panic for hopping
on the show.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
And I'm actively thinking about when you guys said, I
say the name over and over and over again of
the interview, after and before, and now I'm trying not
to say his name again. Is the player from TSM
the opposite of calm? Yeah, TSM Panic shout at him, just.

Speaker 9 (02:20:40):
Panic, Thanks for coming on, Panic. We appreciate you Panic.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Panic, Panic from TSM the team. Formerly he used to
be Orchid Panic. Now he's TSM Panic. Shout him out, ladies.

Speaker 6 (02:20:53):
And confused with the South American Panic, not that.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
Or Korea in sinnap you spell that backwards. That's also panic. Snap.
Don't don't mix him up with him.

Speaker 2 (02:21:05):
That's a cool little fun fact, just like the dolphin
fun fact.

Speaker 3 (02:21:08):
What was that reaction time?

Speaker 6 (02:21:10):
Sixty milli seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
Right, sixty six? Well, well, how would you forget that?

Speaker 6 (02:21:16):
Yeah? I mean do you not care about dolphin facts?
Do you see dolphins?

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
That's the thing is I think that I said in
the interview that I would be cool if, like you
could just play zone and learn facts. I think I'd
forget them all by the end of the game. So
hopefully he doesn't. Hopefully he just becomes a really good
facts know where a ball fact is?

Speaker 3 (02:21:39):
You said more about panic in this when you try
not to.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
Yeah, I just abandoned it halfway through. I can't change
this is this is who I am. I said, Ladies
and gents also like sixteen times already.

Speaker 3 (02:21:54):
There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, if you move away.

Speaker 9 (02:21:58):
From justlves how much we respect women, that we lead
with them, even though there's probably like I.

Speaker 3 (02:22:05):
Think we went through. We calculated. We calculated there was
like four hundred views from women across the entire across
the entire history of art.

Speaker 4 (02:22:14):
It could be one woman watched four hundred times. It
could be four hundred women, It could be twenty to
watch twenty ten.

Speaker 6 (02:22:21):
It also very much. Could be a dude watching on
his girlfriend's account.

Speaker 1 (02:22:29):
Or.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
Make sure we always make sure we see ladies and juds.

Speaker 2 (02:22:34):
Yeah, she was logged in.

Speaker 1 (02:22:36):
They broke up. He she never logged him out. He's
using her account.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
It could be one of those.

Speaker 1 (02:22:41):
Definitely, we had.

Speaker 4 (02:22:42):
We had Liz, who's from the Valerius seen in chat tonight.
So and woman right here, Lizer's here.

Speaker 3 (02:22:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:22:51):
She already asked me to ask you guys, if we
can land a plane with no experience whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
And I do feel like we can absolutely.

Speaker 4 (02:23:00):
I already saw that happened on Twitter the other day.
It was a small plane, but the same event. If
a random guy can land a small plane on a
highway with no experience, I can land the seven forty seven.

Speaker 2 (02:23:13):
It's just a little bit bigger, is all.

Speaker 10 (02:23:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:23:17):
Tempost had It's easy, It's seasy, the landed plane.

Speaker 2 (02:23:19):
Yeah, there we go. Heard to hard time, hard hard time.
Last time. I said, jump, But you're not going first
this week?

Speaker 1 (02:23:26):
You are going.

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
Yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe you brobbed me of
that last week. I guess what I came prepared today.
I guess technically not for me anymore. But it was
my three year anniversary of posting the TSM video, which
is pretty cool that you know, three years ago I
posted that video and the journey that it's taken me
on now, meaning everyone, I say this all the time.

(02:23:48):
It's a gratitude post here, But that is fucking crazy that,
like a video randomly I posted that. I was like,
this is crazy that no one's talked about this before.
And now I've met each of the Actually I've never
met Reps.

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
That's crazy. I still have not met Reps, but I've
met two of those dudes.

Speaker 4 (02:24:05):
Actually I've met Verjols Evans, I've met four of the
five guys that video is about, and then gone on
so far, like I never thought i'd be here. I
never thought i'd be here, and so it's pretty cool.
I'm excited, and yeah, mine's gonna be simple gratitude, grateful
for the journey that we've been on.

Speaker 1 (02:24:18):
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. We love to hear it. Shout
out to that video. Go check it out. Also check
out jump his brand new video on.

Speaker 3 (02:24:24):
The joke why it hasn't even watched the video.

Speaker 1 (02:24:26):
I really have not watched a lot of either of
your guys videos and I apologize. I need to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
I had it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:32):
I was staring at it on my phone. I was like,
I was on my lunch breakout work. I was like,
I could watch this right now. And then I think
I watched a compilation of every Man City Goal from
twenty to twenty four.

Speaker 3 (02:24:44):
This season.

Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
We're in the season of twenty twenty five, like, so
I was watching not this season's goals, and I ate chicken.

Speaker 7 (02:24:53):
So that was that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Donnie, You're a heart to heart this week?

Speaker 7 (02:24:57):
Uh yeah, I mean quick thing.

Speaker 8 (02:25:00):
It's cool hit Twitch affiliate, So shout out to that.
Thank you for mainly thank you mainly to GMB boys
and their fans for coming in. They're in the deathmatch
rival stuff. But for my actual heart to Heart, I
definitely think perspective. It was my big thing this weekend
for those who haven't seen. Unfortunately, the OMIT experience definitely

(02:25:21):
did not end as well as we would have hoped.
Unfortunately did not make regionals and the boys did fall
out of Pro League, and after talking with the boys,
went ahead and split ways and we'll be just looking
for the opportunities doing stuff for the podcast and all that,

(02:25:41):
and I think I just realized with that experience, I've
kind of figured out what I know I could bring
to a team, you know, what I am capable of,
just as you know, an analyst or a coach or
whatever the role in is it being. And I'm excited
for the opportunity if happens again in the future with
a different team. But I just definitely think I gained

(02:26:02):
a lot more confidence in my abilities and like I said,
it's got a lot more perspective on just what I
know I can do personally, because I know confidence has
been a big thing I have tried to work on,
So uh yeah, that's my big thing, just perspective and
uh yeah, just really excited for everything else move forward.

Speaker 2 (02:26:22):
Do you got yours?

Speaker 9 (02:26:25):
I'm a I'm a I'm gonna combined Jumba and dons
and it's gonna be the perspective on having gratitude.

Speaker 7 (02:26:33):
Wow wow, see well played and so like high.

Speaker 9 (02:26:38):
Key, Like I've definitely had like a decent amount of
just like days with like good old Dude Apex legends
ranked especially with just the devo ash ballistic alter meta
is is you know, it wears on a man, you know,

(02:26:59):
and overall like and so like it can get a
decently frustrating, right, especially when you're doing that for like
ten hours a day very consistently. And but like, regardless
of like the frustrations that I get the opportunity to
deal with and work through on a day to day basis,

(02:27:20):
I'm just incredibly grateful that I still am in a
position where I just get to wake up and hop
on and play video games and do my best to
have a positive impact on people when I'm not losing
my shit and tweaking out over Apex selegonds ranked And
so I'm just grateful the fact that I've been doing this,
Like I graduated college in twenty twenty and it's twenty

(02:27:43):
twenty five now, and like I'm able to provide for
my family, and I have a wife and son, and
I play video games as like the sole provider for
my family, and that my wife gets to be like
I stay at home mom and get to raise my son,
I just think is a very beautiful thing and.

Speaker 6 (02:28:02):
Something that I'm incredibly proud of.

Speaker 9 (02:28:04):
And I'm just grateful and the fact that I get
to do cool ship like this and and hop on
and just talk about Apex Legends with some people that
I enjoy being around and that I can call my friends.

Speaker 6 (02:28:17):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:28:19):
Yeah, No, it is great. It is. It's it's one
of the best. It is. It is the best thing
that we've got going right now. This was actually a
great show too. We had some fun tonight. Boys had
some real good fun.

Speaker 2 (02:28:31):
My Heart's art this week.

Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
Last week's episode, I let one moment just absolutely chalk
me so bad.

Speaker 6 (02:28:43):
I let it.

Speaker 3 (02:28:45):
Can Can we tell the video? Can we can? Well?

Speaker 5 (02:28:53):
I knew it was coming.

Speaker 1 (02:28:55):
It was coming.

Speaker 6 (02:28:55):
I was coming toward bro.

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
I watched it and I just like, oh my, it
wasn't even okay.

Speaker 3 (02:29:04):
So last, let's tell the story.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
Last week, when we were interviewing Waltz, uh I had
wrote down in my notes Falcons struggle from something, and
in my head I just forgot yeah, Germany, Germany. I
had forgotten that Waltz was not on Falcons at that tournament.

(02:29:28):
And I asked a question basically saying, like, you guys
started off struggling, you had a really bad tournament, getting
twentieth and walt I see Jumba in the corner of
my eye, just going yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:29:39):
I think I made it worse because, like I was viciously.
I was like, and then like.

Speaker 2 (02:29:44):
Viciously, Waltza make this face. He kind of just goes
like like he's like looking at.

Speaker 3 (02:29:49):
Me, like he leans in and he goes, I've never
got twentieth.

Speaker 1 (02:29:53):
Yeah, And it just it ruined me.

Speaker 2 (02:29:56):
I watched it back and I was like, oh my god,
and after and he was just shooting this.

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
Ship with that comment. Though he didn't give it this
I know.

Speaker 9 (02:30:03):
I know, dude Walton could not have given lessons I
know and this world. It was the like worst moment
of this man's career. And we had like a n
that I had read to me.

Speaker 3 (02:30:19):
We had a person in after trying to boost.

Speaker 1 (02:30:25):
Yeah. After the interview is over, I put a bunch
of just sad memes inside the discord with people trying
to hype me up. And then when I watched it back,
it was like I couldn't I couldn't let it go.
I was like, I just couldn't let it go. So
my heart to heart this week is trying to have
more fun with the moments that I mess up on

(02:30:46):
because in my head, I'm like, oh, you gotta be perfect,
you gotta do this, you gotta do that, And I
think in that moment, if I would have just laughed
it off and been like, oh shit, I totally fucked
that up, it would have been fine. But in the moment,
I'm trying so hard to be serious and like I
I know everything and like you know, I never make mistakes,
and it made it way worse. If I would have
just owned up to the fact that I was just like,

(02:31:07):
oh shit, I completely messed.

Speaker 2 (02:31:08):
That up, it wouldn't have there. There wouldn't have been
a thing.

Speaker 1 (02:31:11):
And after the interview was over, I immediately was like, Walsey,
I'm so sorry I forgot that, and he was like, bro,
I don't care, like.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
He just legitimately did not care.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
We ended up hanging out in the in the room
for another i don't know, like fifteen minutes or something
like that, just talking and and he was super appreciative
for us having a like us having him on and talk.

Speaker 4 (02:31:31):
I understand where the pressure comes from when you consider
all like the like. We take it very serious, especially
when we were talking about whether how would piss or
shit himself to win a land and we've got things
like that that are so serious. In those moments when
you make a mistake, everything just feels like it crumbles.

Speaker 3 (02:31:45):
Don't you.

Speaker 1 (02:31:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I literally asked Hal about like
the latinas for House signed, and I'm like, yeah, I'm
so serious, dude, Like I need to be I need
to be fucking super serious.

Speaker 3 (02:31:56):
But yeah, it like messed me up.

Speaker 1 (02:31:58):
And it was like usually I try to take my
preparation right, and in my head, I'm just thinking, like
all the comments are going to be like this guy
doesn't prepare, this guy doesn't do anything, and that bothers me.
But I need to just understand that some people are
going to think that anyway, and also that I know
how much work I put in while also maintaining a
lot of other things that I have to do.

Speaker 3 (02:32:18):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
It ruined me and I'm mad at myself how badly
it pissed me off. But in the moment, if I
would have just laughed it off and just had a
good time, it would have been it would have been fine.

Speaker 6 (02:32:29):
But and you kept it in the video.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
I know I should have.

Speaker 1 (02:32:34):
After I was done, I was like, when Enoch finds
out it's not in the video, he's gonna give my
He's gonna roast my ass, which is deserved.

Speaker 2 (02:32:42):
It's deserved.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
So yeah, no, mine is just growing from your mistakes
and not letting them kind of control your entire outlook
on yourself, because it literally changed. Like I was in
my head being like, this is who I am now
this one mistake I made on one episode.

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Uh yeah, we're working on I'm a work in progress.

Speaker 1 (02:33:04):
We're figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (02:33:05):
But that was its art this week.

Speaker 1 (02:33:07):
It was crazy because e I literally sat there looking
at it and I was like, I should just let
it go, like I'm gonna put it. I should just
put it out there whatever, I should just put it
out there. And then I was like, no, I can't
fucking do it. I went back, chopped it up, did
all that, and I was like, he's gonna roast my
shit deservedly so deservedly so. But that's my heart to

(02:33:30):
heart and ladies and Jed's That is the show for
this week of the Apex, the podcast, Don't Forget. We
got the regional final coming up and it is going
to be a big one. It is going to be awesome,
super excited. And then right after that EWC, Baby, we're
gonna have ourselves a ball getting ready for EWC.

Speaker 2 (02:33:48):
It's gonna be a great time, so ladies and gents,
thank you guys for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (02:33:51):
As always, we will catch you guys next week for
another episode of the APEX Podcast.

Speaker 6 (02:33:56):
Say y'all.

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