Episode 128: ROC Sauceror Goes From Getting Dropped To Winning Regional Finals + Regionals Breakdown

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Everyone, Welcome back to another edition of the Apex the Podcast.
Ladies and gentlemen, The regional finals are officially in the books.
They are done, they are dust, and we have all
of our results heading into EWC and we're gonna get
to all of that, including the storylines as well as
meeting up with our boy Saucer second time on the show.

(00:36):
But before we get into all of that, boys, I
just want to say I need to take some accountability here.
I can never ever openly root for a team ever. Again.
That was the toughest, most difficult watch I have ever
had to endure. Sentinels, I would just like to apologize.
The curse that I put upon you was so bad.

(01:00):
It was general, it was it was my magnum opus
of absolutely torching a team. We had loader after the
game being like, I suck. No, it's not you. I
promise you, it's not you. It's one thousand percent me
shout out. Sentinels were still making it somehow, but uh yeah, boys,
that was probably the worst jinks I've ever had. I
don't think I should be allowed to ever state I.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Don't think we should starting a pod with this. No
one's gonna accept invites to the pod anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I publicly, I publicly called out the fact that this
was like the worst news possible.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
For Sentinel fans.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I literally as soon as Wyatt said it, and even
I was surprised about how bad this the Wyatt fandom hit.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was these poor guys.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
You somehow got don't I don't know how, but you
got Carter fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
That guy was sick. I know it was.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And then yeah, Lotter was in sham on Twitter after
It's just I don't know how you do it, but.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
It's just it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
And the thing is like, it's obviously I don't mean
to do it. If anything, it's the only thing I'm
rooting against. But every single game they would just walk
into a fight. And I knew immediately as I was, like,
whatever I put on them, it's it's done, it's dusted.
I think it was so bad looking at their looking
at their like individual just not even placement, but just

(02:29):
kills zero three four to two zero zero zero zero
zero two, Like it was just bad.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
No wonder D's and baslone didn't answer.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, I'm saw On, you know, I'm saw On. I
have to take accountability Sentinels. All the matters at the
end of the day, all the matters is that they
made it to e WC. I was really stressed out
there for a moment, it looked like for a second
lumen OSSI might sneak in there, but uh, they didn't.
We'll get to them in a moment as well. But
let's go through the results of the America's Region. As

(03:00):
we know, roc rock E Sports, they take the day.
It was a ten game regional final. They come up
with a fifteen kill final game to round it out.
Weird final game, just kind of just a weird situation
at the very end of that. We'll get to that
as well here in a moment. But the overall winner
of the America's Region was Team Falcons off of a

(03:21):
tiebreaker from Ninja's in Pajamas. So boys, I think we
got to give Falcons their due. There was there were
some really high highs for Falcons this season and even
their low lows. I remember seeing how tweet that I
don't know what to do anymore, and then I looked
at their placement. They got seventh overall in the day,
so you know, they they came in just like we
expected them. To do and they took over the America's region.

(03:44):
It was a little bit closer than I think they
would have wanted it to but overall, Falcons is flying
high jumpa you gotta expect this, right.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
That is three back to back Pro League finishes. First
finishes for zero. He want split one with these and
then now both with Falcons since they've been a team. Yeah,
they did tie with NIP, right like they tied for it.
NIP could have stole it. They were leading the regional

(04:12):
final throughout the entire time, and you could go into
their comms and this is what I said last week
where it's like, you know, did we think it was
gonna get competitive even though like only four teams were
like kind of on the chopping blocker making land or not.
And you know NIP was in their call, going okay,
so long as we end the tournament this game and
Falcons finishes outside top five, we take first overall. Like

(04:33):
these guys wanted that first place, That's what they were saying.
But yeah, you know what, they find a way. Falcons
always find a way to go, and they steal a
tie breaker off NIP, who got third. Falcons at seventh.
I'm sure they wanted better from Regional final, because, like
I said, also last week, I think Zeros won like
fucking three of them. But nonetheless, I don't know what
else can you say. It's Falcons. They're back on top

(04:54):
of the world.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yep, and just a few few weeks after winning the Open. Obviously,
so shout out to Falcons. But there is a lot
of other storylines here and a lot of other teams
to talk about, and I think one of the ones
that comes to mind immediately is the one we have
just been saying, which was Ninja's in pajamas this team,
and I mentioned it when we were doing the Regional
final watch along. It's it's so weird because it just

(05:16):
kind of felt like they all season long kind of
flew under the radar a little bit. They it just
kind of felt like they were hovering. But it wasn't
a team we would really take time to talk about
too much. I think we barely.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I think we talked about them criminally little yeah, and
we should probably have one of one of them on
the show and the and the somewhat near future because
I'm in an ip were referring to yeah, yeah, I
mean we barely talked about them and the entire the
entire time.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, they quietly were about to finish first overlall all
and probably I feel like, like I say quietly because
like I don't remember like any big huge nip days
and everything like that. But they just played well all
through and then regional final they kind of popped off, right.
They were doing well. If we didn't go ten games deep,
they probably would have come out with the most points overall.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, and we did. I actually did speak to them
at in New Orleans. We ended up at the same
place and I spoke to Vain, and I remember Vain
came on the show a while back, and that was
when they were still a part of Nine Lives. They
had Sir Say and I had asked him, you know,
kind of where he was at with the team, how
they were feeling. They had a pretty good open overall
as well, so they were feeling pretty confident, and he

(06:30):
had mentioned something about Karev potentially joining the team, like
he had he had mentioned something like, I don't know what,
We'll have to see what happens here, and he stepped
in and it really seemed like everything gelled really well
together for the entire Crew and to be able to
come in here and get the third place overall on
the regional final, tied for first but losing that tiebreaker

(06:51):
to Falcons. That's a success. And so I'm really happy
to see that from Vain. I'd really like to see
him back on the show as well, like bringing him
on Now Dawn. From your perspective, seeing you saw from
Ninjas Pajamas, Like I said, they did fly under the radar,
but you watch every single second of every single thing
that's out there. So what did you see from NIP
that really impressed you? Especially after the Open?

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean I think we all knew that when
they picked up Karev. I think the big thing that
that did was helped define the roles on the team
a little bit better because I think they only had
so many options when they did have a seriously on
the Rosterly it's just based on kind of how they
played before versus after the Open and you have Krev
come in. You know, he's been a guy that's played
you know, he played a ton of Newcastle the times,

(07:35):
he even like Igl a little bit, he played some anchor.
You know, he kind of just has bounced around a
little bit with all the experience he has in competitive APEX,
So I think that has provided a little bit more
defined roles, a little bit more flexibility for these guys.
And I think we definitely saw when he came to
the team, we really saw McLevin definitely start to shine.

(07:56):
I mean he's a guy that, like I honestly didn't
really know too much about mcla before, you know, this
recent run, and he comes in on this regional final day,
he has seventeen kills, eighty three hundred damage and just
has a huge day for the boys. But I mean, overall,
you know, you've got Vain, a very experienced I gl

(08:17):
has been around the block, knows everything that it takes,
you know, to be at.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
The highest of levels.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
And the biggest thing I think for them on the
day was just getting off to that quick start. You know,
we mentioned that these teams that do tend to kind
of pop up and have maybe a little bit of
surprises because they get off to these hot starts, And
I mean we saw right away, you know, even you know,
we look down at their first game. Yeah they don't
get deep into the game, but they're already getting six
kills in the first game. And even though you don't

(08:45):
place deep, that gives you a very good start. You know,
you get into a flow, you get some fights, you
win some fights, and then all you got to do
from there, right, it's just you know, nail your macro
getting some better spots and then he usually can start
to snowball.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
And that's really what they did.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Game two, they get second place with fourteen points, and
then you see them get that win in game three
where they had sixteen kills, so they really got off
to that hot start. And just again, if it wasn't
for a couple of moments here or there that kept
the games extended. I mean we were watching the Foundry
end zone where just we all kept saying like this
might be it, this might be over. Yeah, and the

(09:22):
only team that really could stop and we were talked
about one hundred teams and they unfortunate it's kind of
ran out of space and cover and kind of started
getting focused there when there was only a few teams left.
But really outside of that, like you just gotta give
you gotta tip your hat, because these boys came to
play when they needed to and obviously, like we mentioned,
credly criminally underrated throughout the split and definitely a team

(09:44):
to keep our eyes on as we head over to EBC.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Another another thing that Vane I remember talking about at
that bar when we were hanging out briefly is that
he had taken a break for a while and like
he I don't think he was planning on ever coming
back to APEX, and then you finally did picked up
the squad and he said like he was pretty like
happy to see how like a lot of the people
and like the pro players in the community said like

(10:08):
welcome back, Like you know, it's good to have you back.
A guy with your experience and you know, like your
skill level and everything like that to be in the scene.
Because he was around for a while. Vain won the
Year one championship with Amu and Scurry way back and
they were part of Congerna, So like yeah, like you know,
like he was saying that and how motivating was for him.
And then after he came out after the open and

(10:29):
they carried that through to have a good performance. So yeah,
showed out Vain and NIP.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah. Some other teams when you look around here, as
one that pops out into my mind at least is Furia,
especially how badly. They started off this day, they started
off fifteenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth, and then they started really
putting it all together. And we had talked about before
the Pro League split had started that there was a
lot of drama going on with that team and what

(10:55):
was going to happen. And out of nowhere after the
open the teams where Madness tweets out, Hey, you know,
we thought, there's no reason to make a move right now.
We feel good with where we're at and we're gonna
keep we're gonna stick together and we're gonna do it
and it's worked out for them really well. I want
to see them continue to succeed. And that's been one
of the teams i've quietly I don't want to say

(11:17):
root for, because I don't.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You've never quite what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Just doing?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
But like, but he's not even, he's never He's got
a hat that he used to wear on the podcast
all the time, a furial like like, yeah, he's not.
He has a picture that he's never been quiet, but
his love Furia even I don't even know why he
started saying, I've been a quiet fan of Fure.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
He's just not a quiet fan of Furial, he started
propaganda to make him look like a better fan of Fury.
He started propaganda. The Jayhawks hates Furia.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I didn't start propaganda Jayhawks said that.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
H No.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
But I am really I'm really excited for Furia. I'm
really excited for Fear. I'm glad they kept the team together.
I'm glad they like continued to try to make it
work despite all the things that went down before the
season had started. Really cool to see Fury up there.
They got second place on this day, and obviously they
have qualified. Now, boys, there are a lot of other
teams out there. I wanted to give you guys a chance.
If there was a team that you wanted to shout

(12:22):
out real quick, I'll throw it on down to you
first jump. But was there a team that you wanted
to talk about from this day or just a team
that qualified for EWC overall?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I mean, there's a lot of teams to talk about.
I don't even know if we should go through all
of them. It's tough, But how do we not talk
about ROC winning at all? We talked about like people
who had it rough to start the to start the
season and then had to like reel it in and
performed like better than expected. You know, Vaxlon and Deeds
were supposed to be playing with Reps. They didn't get

(12:52):
an ORG. I think something had to do with that
situation that Reps didn't want to sign with the ORG
because he didn't know how long he would be in this,
and then they lose out on him. I think they
were supposed to get Noctournal. Noctournal goes over to LG,
Sauce gets dropped, so they're bringing sauce last minute at
the open. Vaxelon had to igl and like it wasn't
like in his repertoire, wasn't his experience all of that
to happen to then like perform quite well. They're in

(13:14):
a comfortable qualification position, but then also win the regional
final and like you know, even though they were already qualified,
if they weren't, for example, that would solidify They go
through to the to the mid season playoffs. That's a
pretty sick run. That's a pretty crazy story. Also, like
there's two sides of it. There's the Vaxxelon d sides
of things where they thought, what the fuck were like
Ragtag throwing this shit together? This year, and then there's

(13:34):
also Sauce getting dropped from LG and finding it way
back in after He was pretty emotional on the timeline,
you know, because he felt like it was undeserved, right,
so and he finds a way to land now and
LG actually did it. So, yeah, it was kind of
crazy for both sides of the stories there for all
three members.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
For Faxlon Indeeds, how like it felt like just every
two weeks they're like, well, I love you know, LF one,
We're looking for somebody else. I don't know what's going on.
We had a plan, that plan fell through. Like it's
it's an awesome thing to see because again he got
two guys that obviously Deeds has been you know, we're
working this way up the ladder of the pro Apex

(14:12):
players has found his way in some better rosters as
of late. But again, you know, once he feels like
he has his footing, you know, all the stuff starts
to happen.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
So it's great to see him.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
Then.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Obviously for Vaxxelon, he's been around so many different teams
now in so many different situations. He obviously had everything
that happened with Furia. You know, he finds the connection
with Deeds and Reps, thinks that he's you know, maybe
figured something out, and then like Jump and Mention just
goes through all that. Yeah, it just really is just
the rag Tag team, right, It's just and again it's
so it's so cool to watch, and you know even

(14:41):
hear them talk about the stuff afterwards. You know they're like,
thank God for whoever put this end zone in this game,
because man, that pulled right where we needed it too.
Like they're just such a likable trio. So it's always
cool to see when these things, you know, go in
favor of these rosters that have such a hard time
to out to split and just for them to find
some success.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
It was awesome to see.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
What I really would like to throw it here, is
like we could talk about a lot of individual performances
from teams, like, I mean, it was a ten game final,
I think, and also to we're kind of recapping the year,
we talked could talk about individually how well so many
different teams did throughout the year. I think what we
should really even try to cover is like the final
as a whole. As Donnie was saying, we thought Nip

(15:24):
was gonna take that quick. In em BA, we had Dunk.
If you guys don't know who Dunk is, he's like
the owner of GP Media who does all the YouTube
uh and a lot of the social media for for
APEX and ALGs and like during em EA, Dunk came
in and dropped the message that there was something like
it was it was something like, oh like uh b

(15:46):
r b the the the I need to go. The
game just ended because there's a ten minute delay, and
so Dunk didn't come in for NA. But as soon
as Dunk said that, we saw some streams turn off
and we're like, oh shit, I think this is the
last game because Dunk tinnas boiled that. Now Dunk doesn't
come back in, but we see streams go off and
we're like, does NIP win this year with their zone call?
So that happens and then instead doesn't close it out.
We go ten freaking games, and that last game flat

(16:11):
fucking threw so hard they could have kept it going
one more. That was the craziest play ever. They could
have stayed on height and they just jumped off.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That reminded me that a while back, but that one
was wild when they threw the Gibbie bubble, like and
they just they didn't even use the Gimbi bubble.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
They even us the Gimbi bubble.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, they used it like immediately, but then they didn't
they didn't have it. No, no, no, I mean like.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
They they threw it, but then they didn't stand or
they threw it and then they left the Gibbie bubble
like that's what I mean by they didn't use it.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Now obviously they were like one of like five, like
there was five teams alive, there were one like it
was probably ending there and they didn't really have the
best position, right like the I think we called Furia.
I think because of what happened with Flat doing that,
Furia could not win it anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, so that's.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Roc wins it. But like that one threw me off guard.
We're all sitting there like, holy shit, can they do
they're jumping? Why are they jumping?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
So that entire final game we had named I think
four different teams that are like, okay, they're winning now, Okay,
they're winning now, like we said Falcons at one point,
then we said Fury. We're like, well Flat, Flat's okay.
Then then Flat did whatever Flat did. Yeah, it was Falcons.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Could have won it, but as soon as Flat jumped down,
everyone had to engage in the fight with Flat except
for Roc. So Roc gets in there and cleans up.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
I'm telling you from my perspective, having been that long
of a stream, I see that play go down, and
I'm literally sitting there like, am I delirious? Like am
I watching what's happening right now?

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Like? And then everyone just starts freaking out.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I'm like, dude, I don't have any words, and yeah,
I just I was so shocked because, like I said,
I so cooked mentally, and then I see that play
and I'm like, I might have still been able to
come up with a better play.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Stay at that point, it was a wild dude.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
It was crazy for the listeners that don't know. Donnie
had ripped a twenty two hour stream watching APEC North
and then NA all straight, but he also watched all
of APOX South APEX South offstream. Yeah, so you know,
Donnie wasn't sleeping, especially because the EMBA decided to go

(18:12):
eleven games, and we should get into that. But yeah,
I think the regional final in general ten games was sick.
We got Legend Band, We finally got to see Legend
Bango Deep. I mean, we'll talk about like those comps
more with the EMBA stuff, because there were some crazy ones.
I want to pull up Jay's tweet because we were
all talking about that, but like, what what was the
final winning comp? Does anyone remember what they were playing?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I've got real quick Kat Maggie Watson, Kat Maggie Watson.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
And that's because we had Alter, Ash, Newcastle, Ballistic, Wraith, Sparrow, Crypto, Bangalore,
Pathfinder Ben. This was like the first taste of what
we'll get at the playoffs upcoming, like when there is
ten games for each group, and that was so fun
to watch to just see what these guys are going
to be using.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
And it was so crazy too, just real quick that
like when we first started like this at a pro
league and like Screams and stuff like Ash and Kat
were like the first two bands every single time, and
now we get to where ten game and Kat is
still available with how broken her kit is. It's just
like it just goes to show you, like how crazy
these bands and the updates to characters and all this

(19:17):
different stuff that goes on throughout a split really changes things.
And like again, who knows, like if Kat's not there,
like is ROC able to play the positions they did,
or certain people are able to cut off zones the
way they did in final Circles. Like it's there's just
so many interesting things with these bands, and like I said,
we'll get into a little bit more here in a second,
but it was just I could not believe Kat was

(19:37):
still available game.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
There was also there's a go ahead, do you knock?
And then I'll say what I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I was just Watson too, Like you have Watson
who is sometimes like the first or second round band
in other regions, and we are ten games deep in
an A and that character is still playable.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I noticed the Indies ones, it felt like the characters
to help you rotate, which like it all always changes,
Like it felt like throughout the Pro League, like sometimes
you'd have like a lobby that was really defensive. Sometimes
you'd have a lobby that was really like like aggressive,
so you'd have like those ash Raith characters go first.
But both A and n A it felt like your
characters that you needed for rotating or rot I don't

(20:17):
know what I said, like that for rotating were the
ones that go first, because like even Pathfinder for example,
like goes out before someone like Cat because a lot
of people were like utilizing the zip line and he
was the last available character there that could move his
team a distance. The other interesting thing that I was
gonna say there is there is a four way tie
at the in that fourth game for the most used characters. Now,

(20:39):
the way that a four way tie works is that,
like or no, a tie works for two characters if
they're gonna get banned, is the team that wins that
character gets banned. So say like Team B has like Newcastle,
who was used like most, and then Team A has Crypto,
who's used most. A Team A wins, Crypto gets banned.
Newcastle is still in the next game. But the thing

(21:02):
was there's a four way tie, and then four teams
were using three of the four characters. So I have
no idea what happens. I think that like it didn't
really matter because those teams are match point teams. We
had what twelve match point teams? Yeah, well yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
In terms of like just a tier loosen on that
it literally just keeps going down the list of teams
in order until they are able to break the tiebreaker,
So like situation like it could have been the tenth
place team that decided that tiebreaker depending on what characters
were being used.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
So yeah, it's a very interesting mechanic to say the least.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I also found so we had three maps, something
I've talked about in the past. I think three maps
are perfect. I don't think four maps is very good.
I think four maps like gets a little bit confusing
and convoluted and like not great to watch from the
pro players perspective. I wonder like how they feel about
trying to track teams across four maps. But I think
three maps still works out well. And I think that
was pretty cool listening to some of the coms the

(21:54):
players while it was working for me, that they were
still able to pick up and understand where people were,
what comps are playing, and that's why we saw a
deep match point. Still one thing, how many teams.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I was just gonna say something quickly about three maps too.
I do feel like that makes your draft like very
very important. Like when you have two maps, you have
one bad, one good. That third map when you throw
that in there, that really comes down to somebody or
whatever team's ability to make sure that they get the
POI that they can play the best from. I feel
like that really makes it to where that POI draft

(22:26):
system can be utilized to its maximum.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, I think more maps makes it actually so like
so especially in the Land situation, less maps makes it
that especially because like you don't do the snake draft
right where it's like if your first seed you get first,
you get twenty first, and so you typically have a
really good draft for that. But if your first seed
and then there's four maps, it means that you're probably

(22:51):
gonna get a bad POI no matter what because the
team to pick twentieth instead, like, okay, hey, all the
good pois just went on Stormpoint. All the good POI
just went on e District. Let's take the best poy
on Broken Moon now, right, so like they still get
like a good and maybe the last team won't get
like quarantines over something, but this we'll get like a
bangor poy on Broken Moon and maybe they'll get a

(23:14):
good one on World's Edge still, And so I also
don't like that, like, yeah, the whole point of like
seedings to give these guys the best draft possible. But now,
because you know, Falcons has to pick seventy first for
fucking World's Edge. They get Survey Camp or some shit, right,
Like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Speaking of World's Edge too, it was kind of nice
not seeing in the rotation for once. I did kind
of like having these three maps. I know most of
the pros don't really care for Broken Moon at this point,
but it didn't seem like there was a whole lot
of complaints on this. Maybe they just maybe it's just
time on the map has changed it, and it does
have some problems for sure, but it was nice, kind
of nothing against World's Edge. It was just nice for

(23:51):
once to see it like not in there, and we
get to highlight some of these other maps for once.
So that was cool. Jumping you had something.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
I have to see a skyhook zone.

Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah no, but I want a barometer and
e NBA obliterated off the map man, Like I Barmer
is a great POI, but fuck me, there's too many
barrow zones.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And I wonder if it's just because it's just big POI. Right,
So anytime you pull self like that, like you're getting barrow.
Oh my god, those barrow zones. I feel like it's
been three years. I mean, the twilight Zone is seeing that.
I was just gonna be say, someone actually did throw
it a good thing in chat though, that respawn can't
stop players from having POI draft on their second monitor.
I never thought about the fact that they could have

(24:31):
just pulled that out and seen where people are up
next to them. Damn online, man, those players are definitely
doing that at the very least.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Coach I, I just I just had a couple of
last things before we can move into some of these
other regions, because there's a lot of great stories from
these other regions. Number One, friend of their program panic
threw a random grenade and got three kills.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
That was craz That was he was perfectly timed. There
was they put down like who it was Energy, They
put down the Newcastle Wall and the Watson Alt. No
names are coming through, but a freaking EMP comes in
and who said it? Like, what have you guys said it?
They're like, no, he literally heard the e MP. So
he turned around and threw the name in the direction

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of the EMP and fucking hit a hundred banger on.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
All crazy, absolutely insane. And then the last thing that
I wanted to talk about was, you know, obviously our
team dropped, he gets fourth. My prediction was wrong.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
What do you mean dropped? Always dropped, always gets third.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Fifth, sixth or six sometimes seventh, maybe.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Sometimes seventh, sometimes secondcation ninth.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, you're right, sorry, hand up on that one. But yeah,
so that's where that ended, uh, sitting in fifth or
sixth most of the most of the day, just right
until the very end there, right until the very end there.
So it's an improvement. That's the way we look at it.
Anything else, boys, before we move into E M A
and some of these other regions here, that's all good.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think. The big thing for me, I do want
to bring up just to give him a shout out
his team or kid.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
They were twentieth before this day started, really didn't have
a ton of prospects to qualify for EWC, just based
on where they were at and the points that they needed.
They also had a coaching change they had done like
a week or two ago, so that was a whole
nother rinch that they were dealing with. And for them
to come out and especially after the open too that

(26:21):
they lost panic, they come out and get a fifth
place overall, even had a few chances to win on
match point. Towards the end as well.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
They were second on match point. Yeah, second team to
match point, and they were in second place for quite
a while throughout the day.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
And for a zone team that again doesn't usually get
a lot of kills, usually have to play very patient,
you know, they're usually playing off of the crypto that
Ambino plays. I mean, it was very impressive to see
how well they were playing zones, how connected they were
in terms of their rotates. It just overall is just
again another really fun storyline to see build. And they

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in a qualifying for mid season playoffs, which is so
awesome to see. And again, like you guys have mentioned
the boy Rambo f in the pod, I mean he
finds his way back to Land man, and I mean
I think any Land is good when Rambo's there. So huge,
huge congrats to Orcard and a phenomenal performance at matchpoint.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
But yeah, so it was an awesome regional final there
in NA the America's region. I also want to give
a quick shout out to Team Fusion, our boy Burke
team making it in. Really excited to see that Kim
Hi on the.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Squad, happiest with their day. But like you know what.
They're there, bro, Yeah, they're there.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
All that matters.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
You got there, That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm gonna move on into em EA because there were
some big storylines coming from that region as well, and
Dawn and Jump. But I know you guys got a
lot of eyes on that one. It was a crazy one.
Ours went ten games. That one went eleven games. What
did you guys see from that one? I'll kick it
off with Jump of first. Dude.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know everyone's talking about the Nasky backstory after the
getting dropped. We talked about it last week on the pod.
It was the thing we started off with, and they
were doing it for a bit. They were going. So
I give that Apex website a lot of shit, and
I want to say really cool that they had the
scores for overall standing so that you could see like

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qualifications and everything like that. They had it live updating
literally between games between games like like I'm not saying
game ends, and then after I mean like in game
if they the certain team was getting kills, that shit
was updating over there by the points. And that was
pretty cool to see. And what it meant was that
the math was really easy to follow throughout the day
and see how ten K was doing. And there was

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a couple of points I don't remember their exact placement
in the overall standings, but there's a couple of points
where they were like qualifying. They were like fifth and
fourth overall in EMBA, and there was teams on match
point because Alliance hit it pretty quick and they actually
know I think it took them like five games to
hit it, but nonetheless they they they needed those teams
to close it out, and unfortunately, this is what happens

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when match point goes along. It was the same thing
last year ATWC when it went thirteen games. We had
teams like Zach Mazer, who was at the time was
like eight bleed and they were like top five after
like five games, and if the tournament ended there they
finished fifth overall. But the tournament extends out and they
end up finishing like twelve overall. And that's basically what
happened to them because the tournament didn't end. The performances

(29:23):
in the later games weren't doing great. They could not
get a kill. I think we were on like game
seven and they had five kills, Like they got a
second place finished with zero kills. At one point they
could not get to kill and that hindered them. Where
then later in the day when other teams were catching
up and putting up more, they unfortunately missed by three
points and Ronan sneaks in on that eighth spot and

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takes it from them.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yep, Ronan sneaks in. Shout out MG clutch Ronan sneaks
in there. Now, don there were some other things that
went down on this day on this region. You were
up for all of it. I also do want to
shout out real quickly the play apex play apecs account
for raiding Donnie. That was sick. That was so awesome

(30:08):
to see. Lots of hard work has gone into what
Donnie has done over the last couple not even a
couple of years, really just one year. Yeah, and it
was really cool to see that. So shout out don
for staying awake all that time twenty two hours. We
mentioned that earlier. But don this region, there were some
other storylines that you wanted to talk about here. What
was one that stands out to you?

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
I will give a quick shout out the pass too.
He was the one that brought up the idea he
was the one that was awake. I even had an
hour and nap because I got so was wiped out
from Aypax South and then trying to watch all that.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
So Pass was up for.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
It though, And he's just the homie and it's gotten
me into a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
So definitely shout out to him.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
But in terms of ameya, I mean again you want
to talk about fourth through eleventh, because really the top
three was basically decided already with Alliance Nabby and Team Nemesis,
So really it was just like four through eleven, four
through twelve we were kind of looking at and the
amount of time, Like Jumbin mentioned that damn leaderboard flip flop.
After one game, just one team has a pop off,

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they jump up to fourth, and then they have two
bad games in a row they're down to twelve. Like
I mean, we saw again ten k was in and
out of it, in and out of it, and just
I think it was almost more exciting to like see
the standings update versus like the actual game it sometimes
because it's just like holy shit, like what's the new
story that we're going to talk about, Like what's the
new thing?

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Like that was the thing I kept mentioning during our
stream was there's just so many different storylines that are
building right now through this match point final, And I
think that's really what matchpoint brings, right Like, there's so
many different stories that get built throughout this type of format.
Whether it's the dominant team that you know is on
match point in three games and they're you know, they're
basically one v. Nineteen ing trying to find a way

(31:47):
to get to clinch match point, or you know, you
get the instances like this where you end up with
twelve or ten eleven, twelve teams on match point. It's
just I mean, Ama, for as much crap I think
as they've gotten so far this year, has really stepped
up in this regional final and really gave us a

(32:07):
show that any Apex fan could have enjoyed. And you know, again,
whether you're a fan of a certain teams or not,
I think one thing you definitely can say was that
this was one of the best regional finals I think
we will see for quite some time obviously, lands you know,
will you know, they always are a little bit more important,
obviously because of the money that's out there, but like
in terms of just like even getting to a land

(32:28):
like this has to be one of the best regional
finals we've ever watched. And I mean for the team
that ended up with what the tenth most points one
match point, I think really tells you all you need
to know about just how the day went, whether it
was character bands or the eleven games, or I mean
just the amount of times where like, oh my god,
like we're gonna go to another one, like you know,

(32:49):
because there was that one on a E district where
I think it was like Phase and like.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
On it and Gigi and Uam, We're just sitting there
like this is just a straight TV two like in
terms of just like matchpoint teams orsus non match point teams,
like what the hell is gonna happen? And when you
finally realize like Gigi's gonnaend up in the worst spot,
We're like, we're gonna go another fucking game, Like what.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
The hell, Like what is going on?

Speaker 5 (33:13):
And you just see them go down. We're all just
like I'm getting out of my chair, like Pass is
freaking out, Jump is freaking out.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It just it was Phase wins it, yeah, and they
they win it and they're on forty nine points.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yes, was pain.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, dude, dude, that was like, I think one of
the more interesting things for me to watch because I
kind of pretty much caught the end and seeing the
Phase boys just pop off, and I believe they had
back to back wins to get themselves literally right at
the cusp, and that has to have bit like, I

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can't think of something that would be like more of
like a mental chalk than you having back to back
whens energy, everything is going in your favor, and then
you look at that scoreboard and you see that you
are one singular point off of match point finals, and

(34:09):
this was the team that needed to do well and
because they didn't have the best of pro leagues. And
then it was just absolutely heartbreaking to see after just
like the tremendous effort, you gots zaning on the Revenant
just shitting and just a absolute heartbreaking and then they
believe they had like they placed third in that last game. Yeah,

(34:30):
when it was coming down to it, it looked like
they were gonna be taking us to one more, but
the positioning from Nave was just too good.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah. No, they didn't went back to back, It was
it was that they went back. They won the first
one and then they dropped twenty three points in the
final game and they could have won it. They came
in third, and if they won it, they wouldn't have
even won match point. They would have had to push
another game after dropping two nukes of a game. But yeah,
ridiculous all around. And you brought up a good thing,
just zaying there on the Revenant going crazy. And this

(34:59):
one I wanted to get in for EMA because of
eleven game ban. We had Revenent Crypto Mirage on Phase.
We had Maggie Caustic Sparrow on Alliance. I caustic. I
mean they needed a controller character, I get it. They
needed to get scans and Fuse had just been banned,

(35:20):
so that was that. And then we had Aurora on
Valk Lifeline Mirage. Those are the comps that were being
pulled out eleven games deep into a legend ban, and
I was like, I'm loving this and I can't wait
to see if we get I don't. We'll see ten
games obviously in the groups. I wonder if EWC will
go as deep because it is still only fifty points

(35:42):
standard like everything else, as we typically get it. Last
year they did go you know, thirteen games partially because
it was a sixty point Land even though they still
had the advanced starting points sixty point Land because if not,
Falcons would have ended it, I think in five or six.
But nonetheless, like, yeah, that was pretty crazy to see

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those those comps being pulled out like Revenant. Yeah, seen
Revenue comp ever, really I remember.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
If you saw it on inn a Pro league with
the oh Me Boys.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Wow yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a pro
league that was that was in the open.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You saw Cody hop on the Revenet for one game
and we did not go nearly as well as it did.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
For saying nothing to say that, I do have some
memories of some lands where just there's like some there's
some like Apac North teams that just whip out the
Revenant when they're like in twentieth and need to like
get through losers round two.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, there was. I did want to one once again
touch on phase just a little bit because me and
Donnie in every single regional recap, I've always brought them
up every single time because at the beginning of this
season they were terrible. They started off Pro League with
a zero poin performance and a one point performance and
to be able to get all the way up to thirteenth.

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From there, they ripped off some pretty good performances the
rest of the season eighteen nine, fourteen, sixteen, and seventeen
to close it out. I mean, they were legitimately like
at the bottom of this leader board against like teams
who weren't even like playing, and they were able to
bounce back a little bit. So I know it's frustrating
not to get in there for them, but they did
have a very, very good back half of that Pro League,

(37:27):
and I was excited to see it because I had
told Don in the first time we had mentioned them
when they were really really struggling. It's like you see
the name phase and you kind of just expect something
good or at least something alright to take place, and
they were just not in that that headspace that zone.
Don had mentioned that the team still needed to gel
a little bit, and they finally found it, man, And
it's unfortunate because ema there's only those eight spots, it's

(37:50):
really tough to get in. Everything's really tight. So they
get the seventy five points to cut off was at
ninety seven. Wasn't necessarily close, but like like we had mentioned,
there was a chance there where maybe they win that game.
Who knows what happens in game twelve. So I did
want to give a quick pat on the back to
the Face Clan boys because I think bouncing back in
the season the way they did was super impressive. Did

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you guys have anything else on EMEA? Before we throw
it on down to a pac North.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
I think, just real quick, just with Gigi uh with
Gaming Gladiators, I mean what a I could even imagine
what the comms and the emotional state they were in
that entire time because they were right on that cuffs
of being out of it and they're basically right there
at ten k of they were in. They were out there,
in there out and you just don't really obviously expect

(38:38):
that with a team that has, you know, those appearances
at Land within the last year. Obviously, their more recent
form has definitely been struggling, and they obviously made the
change and picked up Funk, which obviously that's going to
take time for them to make the adjustment. They definitely
showed a lot of good moments in this matchpoint format,
but they also again just have these games where you

(38:58):
just you see these mistakes that they make and it's
just like you just don't expect that from a team
of this caliber. So they get they qualify, which is
obviously huge for them in a big congrats because again
this was an absolute blood bath when it came to
figure out what our eight teams was going to be.
But they're definitely gonna be a team that it's gonna
be very interesting to see what, you know, direction they
end up going at midseason playoffs, because again, you only

(39:22):
have the one lobby to either. You know, you get
into the top seven, you go to finals. If you
end up in the bottom three, like they've been close
to in past early days, you're eliminated day one. So
if they have one of those bad days where they
see themselves at the bottom of leader board, we could
see a team that has a legitimate chance on a

(39:43):
good day to be in the top three or four
to go home early. So I'll be very interested and
kind of keep my eyes on Gaming Gladiators. Again, glad
they qualified. A big shout out to them, but again
it's they're just one of them. Again, so many teams
you felt like they were in it, they were out,
and definitely want to give them a shout out though

(40:04):
for qualifying after a pretty tough split too.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, weird circumstance too with just the roster movement midway
through that season two. So very impressive from Gaming Gladiators.
Let's move on into Apac North here really quickly, because
there is a pretty big story coming out of this one.
You take a look at the overall final. SBI E
Sports ends up winning the day, but the Crazy Raccoons

(40:28):
get in that second place and they slide into the
final spot to get themselves a place inside EWC. They
started off the season seven points, eight points, and five points,
and then they close it out with the ten, thirteen, fifteen,
and then a twenty nine to get in there.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
They had a moment where all three disconnected and was
it top three, Donnie or what was it that they
were in?

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, so it was literally the first game of the day.
You see them, they're playing extremely well. You're like, okay,
this is the Crazy Raccoon that were used to scene
and then yeah, it's on storm point. They're on the
low ground and barometer. You got a team above them,
and like one or two other teams next to them.
It does get down to the final three, then all
of a sudden they just stop moving and you're just like,

(41:11):
all right, what the fuck is going on? And then
someone was able to catch it eventually that like they
all disconnect, they're all not moving, so we're just sitting
there like, dude, are they just cursed? Like are they
just gonna be completely not able to do anything? But
they again, huge bounce back from them. I think they
all they typically all play at the same facility, and
I believe all of the they had a power outage

(41:33):
at the Crazy Raccoon facility, so that's why they ended
up dcing. But I mean, again, it was such a
huge comeback from that mentally, and again they obviously had
a really good first game, so like that could probably
help you push past that a little bit. But like again,
you just feel like you got a decent chance to
win that game. Power goes out, You're like what in
the fuck, But then you're able to turn it around

(41:55):
and again we're able to qualify. That was a very
fun story to watch, and again, huge shout out to
those guys because it was I mean, probably almost as
rough as what Phase went through.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
The split really really bad.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Yeah, and they somehow managed their way into the into
EWC and that eighth place spot again only by three points,
so you're talking about if they even dropped one spot
to uh, what would that have been third? Overall, they
would have fallen out. So it was Yeah, it was.
It was so cool to watch, especially after dealing with
that first game. So yeah, just awesome story.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, and then we move into the rest of the
roster here or the rest of the teams, the eight
teams that are gonna be making it in for Maypac
North and the notable one Fanatic they end up making
it in. It was a weird season for them and
don We've talked about this a lot on the regional recap,
but they did have a one point day, a three
point day. They had just an overall weird season. It

(42:54):
wasn't the typical Fanatic dominance and uh, but they're able
to get in there, and I guess that's what matters
at the end of the day. They're able to sneak
in down from the From your perspective on what has
gotten Fanatic to this point, now, do you think maybe
it's just more team time together, gelling together a little
bit more kind of getting back into that zone of
you know, having and spending more time together as a team.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Yeah, I mean there's a there's a huge amount of
potential with these guys, with libel Ace and Yuka together
fighting a lot of fights together, and then Colonel Garcia
has been kind of another guy that's been kind of
racing his profile within the last year. So there's definitely
a ton that they can do.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
It.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Just again, is really finding the consistency of one of
these what a lot of these top teams will have,
and that'll just all be the ultimate question for them
as they go in too WC, because again, you know,
we've seen them have these one point days where you know,
that's the bottom three, and if you do that at
mid season playoffs, you go home day one. So the
biggest thing for them is being able to find a
way to find some sort of consistency even on your

(43:58):
bad days, you know, getting some sort of points here
or there. Because again we mentioned it with Falcons, you know,
hol is like the world's ending. When they get a
seventh place, that's how good their floor is. And that's
what all these top teams have, is that their floor
is fifth, sixth, seventh place. But right now with Fanatic,
just because they don't have kind of that extra chemistry
built in as a roster. Since this is a completely

(44:19):
new roster this split, you know, they have these days
where it's just not going to.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Go very well. But again, the talent's there.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
I definitely think that if they the nice thing for
them is that they do have a few weeks to
figure some things out. I've imagined they'll do some sort
of boot camp together, whether it's actually going to the
region or just doing something over in Japan where they're at.
But I fully expect them to definitely make some sort
of noise whether they win or not. We'll definitely have

(44:46):
to see what their forms like in a month or so.
But they have all the ingredients, just can they put
it together.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Fun fact, so it's always been different rosters because Fanatics
change a lot, except for Yuca. But this is the
first pro league split they don't win since twenty twenty two.
Let's see, since it was December twenty twenty two, which
was I believe the first split of year three Pro League,

(45:13):
they have come first in every single pro league since
that's four in a row for a back. It was
pretty wild. I learned that I like the.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Japan lant absolutely dominance from Fanatic and it's nice to
see them back in there once again. The last and
final region that we go through this regional final on
will be APAX South and the overall winner of the
entire pro league would be VK Gaming. They are up there.
They got second place on this regional final, but JD
Gaming was the winner don APAX South. We've talked about

(45:44):
it a bunch of times. It's the region of chaos.
There's a lot of things that go down, lots of
funny storylines, craziness happening all the time. But from what
you saw on the APAX South regional final day, anything
that comes to mind from that regional final.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Yeah, I mean for a region where there's a lot
of chaos, they actually have ended up with the shortest
regional final, which I think just leads to believe how
kind of how dominant the top teams.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
Were this split.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
You know, we had JD Gaming, who is formally known
as X and Y. They've been at a lot of
lands before and they're a team that just fries everybody
and wants to fight everything. But we also you know,
you have VK Gaming, you have Ging Sports, you have
Edward Gaming, al Katsia, you know, all those teams really
kind of dominated the split. That's kind of how the
regional final ended up being as well. Again, it really

(46:36):
just was kind of what top team what you know again,
of the JD Gamings or the Ging's or VK was
just gonna be final finally able to win on match
point and just ended up just being JD Gaming this
particular time around. But it's gonna be very interesting how they,
i think, how this region is going to adjust to
playing with the other teams again, because I think when

(46:58):
we've seen them come into these lands of the past,
you know, they have a couple teams that don't do
too bad, but they sometimes have i think problems figuring
out their own identity and bringing it to a land
because unlike these other regions, I mean, they had a
sparrow Band Game one. I mean that is absolutely insane
to me when we've seen only alter Ash get banned

(47:19):
games one and two for so long over the Americas.
So it is just such a different play style that
they play over there. You know, how does that translate
over to EWC the midseason playoffs all of that. But
in terms of the regional final, again, it was just
a lot more of wasn't really too many surprises at
the top, but again, it was just it was a

(47:39):
ton of fighting, it was a ton of crazy plays,
it was a ton of, like I said, a ton
of chaos. And honestly, my biggest surprise is that only
it was only seven games, because I really felt like
we could have seen a bunch of people potentially winning games,
extending the matchpoints series. But overall, definitely a ton of
fun to watch. Absolutely chocked my sleep schedule for the weekend,

(48:02):
but it was. It was definitely a good one though.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So yeah, boys, and that should just about do it
for all of the regional finals. Everything is done, dusted,
it's in the books, and we're ready for EWC Fellas.
It's going to be a hell of a tournament. Lots
of stuff to talk about. But I do think the
one thing that this regional final taught us the most
is that there's going to be absolute chaos when it
comes to legend bands coming up here in just a

(48:26):
few weeks, So super exciting to see.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Should we do predictions now? Should we wait? If we
don't want to predict you out? Okay, we can wait
for predictions, because you know, we still got like about
a month, maybe we check out some of those scrims
see how they're going. I remember that Mount Rushmore question
was really interesting and one that like, I don't know,
the regional final and a lot of things have got
me wondering lately, and maybe you guys want to chime

(48:50):
me on on this. What do you think your favorite
or like the best land for storylines was like like
st or like I don't know even like most entertaining land?
What would you go with for that?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Mine will? I think mine will forever be the EWC
Alliance win the first.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
E w C the thirteen match thirteen.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Matches, Alliance finally gets their championship.

Speaker 9 (49:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That one? That one stood out to me. That one
was so fun. That was because wasn't it just like
the game game or two before? LG gets on match
point off of a crazy Aurora drop off the side
of the mountain and then they like everybody's like, holy shit,
sweet could do this now? And even though they sucked
like at the beginning part of that port like that tournament,

(49:37):
that one that one was awesome. I love LG.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
LG had like LG in classic LG fashion. They had
come third by helping shut down I think it was
Team Liquid or or it might have been Exoclan from
winning and or maybe Exoclan shut down a Roar or
not Aroa. It's the other Russian team. Oh my god,
I forgetting their name. I can't remember the org but

(50:02):
like task Master was on it and everything like that.
But anyways, like they shut down them, and they are
one point off match point, they are fifty nine. They
win the next game and they get on match point
by yes, gorazy Aurora drop off and then they're in
top three in the next game, and they could have
had the opportunity to win, uh or Alliance had the

(50:22):
opportunity to win. And then there's the fucking crazy solo
play by fucking straking Flame, which I think is the
greatest moment in Apex history. I cry that I have
not been able to make a video about that because
the footage doesn't exist. I've tried. And then and then
the Alliance like loses their opportunity. Alliance comes back and

(50:43):
they win next game. NWS is a great choice. Mine
always is is like I don't know if anything could
bring to could could ever compete with everything that The
year three Championship in Birmingham cave. There was TSM where
to go to the loser's bracket, and they were in eighteenth,

(51:03):
and then like they clutched up and won the last
game of winners bracket and gone to like fifth seed
overall for the next day. Same with Dojo in their
run where they were also not going to qualify and
clutched up in that game and got like second or
third to be able to go into finals with the
seventh seed and then could have won if digit date
didn't happen. There's the TSM three back to back wins

(51:24):
in finals when once again they shouldn't have even been
anywhere close to match point. There was at that moment.
There was the upset with Suite and the car stopping optic.
Who was gonna win in four games either three v
three straight up? There was so much from that land.
There was just so much. Donny don what do you guys?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
You guys, I'm just I'm shamelessly gonna take Gempa's answer. Yeah,
And just for the explanation, just were just replay what
Jumpa just said and then pretend it came out of
my mouth and then that'll be my That'll be my answer,
don What about you?

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Yeah, I mean, I do think I would have to agree.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
I do want to mention Year three Split one playoffs
though with probably the greatest call, we might see an
apex of how coming down from the heavens just getting
I mean, I don't know how many times we really
are ever going to see just to straight up three
B three, both teams on match point, just competing to

(52:26):
win land. You know, it's very hard to find that
a battle royale where it's just you know, because usually
like either one team's cracked or somebody's down, or somebody's
third partying. So like it's very hard to just get
that scenario that everybody dreams about and you finally get it.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Obviously with the build up of the valcol TSM gets
to the right spot of the zone, they clear out
that side. You see a sin is able to survive
the death pool of all the teams coming down from
the other side, and just to see you know, prime
TSM at the time just absolutely with decision pick apart

(53:01):
that fight and win again with on top of onsets,
comms and the call at the end, I definitely just
want to give that a shout out because that's definitely
one of the best moments.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
I think we will have an apex, but that.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Year three Champs just there's just so many stories that
came from that in so many moments. It's just it's
so hard to top that. But ewc also too, Like
I mean a thirteen game match point final. I mean again,
are we ever going to see that again a Land?

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Probably? Maybe maybe not. So it's year so good Year.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Three for Lands in general, goal because like split two
playoffs two with like the TSM almost going back to
back and then getting griefed and then Dark zero being
the one to come in like but then like you know,
honorable mention would also be Like Japan, I think the
Japan in person experience was just like unmatched from all

(53:51):
the lands I've been to, Like it was just so
special to be in a crowd of like ten to
thirteen thousand people, So that was unreal. But like I think,
like the actual gameplay stories, even though there was some
pretty crazy ones again like Alliance almost clutching it up,
like the two games are Unlucky's last alive, Like I
don't know the last I don't I don't actually know
if I've ever been to a sporting event where I've

(54:13):
jumped and freaked out like we did when those games went.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Almost passed on one of them, those almost passed out.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Like yeah, like I don't I don't know a sporting
event I've ever been to where like we, I was
jumping and screaming like that, Like and that might sound crazy,
but I mean I don't get very much from my leaves.
I'm sorry. What else? And then like LA was also
I think there were some good storylines there, but like
I think when you look at everything else, they just
they don't live up because there was still like the

(54:41):
disguise they almost won again. I think if they stuck
together afterwards and maybe did something that LA would have
looked better. That's the only one I could think of.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I'm gonna say this and like, I don't know, this
may be a crazy taking your eyes. I LA is
still my favorite, even even with Japan, and I love
Japan like I love did so much. It was so
awesome for me. I think LA was so awesome. It
I felt like on that finals day that was the
most energy I had felt in a crowd. But it

(55:10):
also could be because the one thing in Japan was
obviously they're going to be rooting for their team. In LA,
I felt like a lot of energy around me. Maybe
it's just the section I was sitting in, but everybody
was talking to each other. And obviously there's a language
barrier when I'm in Japan versus when I'm in Los Angeles.
But it was like everybody's like, what's going on? What's
going on in that dark zero moment? And don you

(55:32):
were sitting right next to me. I think that was crazy,
like when dark zero goes down there. It was absolutely nuts.
I also think LA for me will always just be
really special as my first one. I got to meet
all you boys there, me and Jumble watching hockey games
and the crowd. Like. I loved LA to death, and
I still love Japan too.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
It's like one watching hockey games in the fucking crowd.
It'll just land good.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
For us now, it hasn't it, dude, that that hurts
so bad?

Speaker 4 (56:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, I really loved l A. I really loved the
environment of LA. I also just like walking around the
concourse and looking at all the team boosts and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
LA was good. I think you're crazy if you're saying
it had more energy than.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Japan, and the only reason, you know, Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Get what you're saying, because like there's more NA teams
and finals always, so like when you're in a NA land,
they like you're getting more in a hype because like
more things are happening where there wasn't. I think there
was only two or three APAC North teams. But like
when they when the Apac North team started getting bad
point and the other team started not like winning, that

(56:34):
fucking crowd.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Was going bizarre. Like that was like I guess, I
guess what I mean is like the absolute like peak
maximum volume, Japan takes it in a landslide just in
that finals, and I'm really only thinking of that one
game where it just felt I felt the camaraderie around
me and I felt like the energy when Dark zero dies. Uh,

(56:58):
that's a moment on never that was so cool.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
A funny story. So I always love when like the
match point games are going and like they clutch up
and like they freking and they push it one more game.
Those are my favorite points of match point always, right,
like I even want the Allions to win, and like I
was jumping up and down and I was hoping that
their team didn't look over at us because they're like,
what the fuck's up with jumbo Wise? You're not rooting
for us, but like like I'm talking about the management people.
But like, something I found funny in New Orleans is

(57:22):
like I couldn't get too hype for like, I don't
know what. Every time Alliance would die, I wasn't. I
heard like a bunch of people like you why You're
right behind me. You're like, oh, oh, they're going down.
And I was just like sitting there and I was
like I couldn't get a hype from them going down
to New Orleans. For some reason, I think I partially
wanted them to win a little bit. I just finished
the Alliance video, but yeah, I was just like it
was something well New Orleans where I was like, I'm

(57:43):
not hyped out. They're dying right now. This is weird,
maybe because it also didn't feel like it wasn't big
upset moments that could be the other thing. Dark zero
should have won in that moment you're talking about and
then they get fucking craved and Koy just nukes them.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah yeah, no, that's uh yeah. I like that though.
I like that Mount rush Port. That's amount Rushmore right there.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It's not about Rushmore at all. I think we were
just talking about our favorite rush More. Oh, like I
used like a usually an idea, like.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
We were all choosing the head like I thought we
all have.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I don't think there's I don't think there's enough lands
to make a mount Rushmore of lands yet, but like
I think we could rank them, like we can give
like E W C and and U three champs like
an S tire. I think like we can give like
a couple like eight tiers in here. I might even
like do this one day, but like we give a
couple of eight tiers would be maybe like A maybe
like the I don't know is L A A or

(58:33):
B because I feel like if we give Donnie's like
shout to Split one, that's an A, And I think
you maybe give Japan like an A, and I would
put L A as a B.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
But I know, Yeah, can we all agree that Split
two in Germany was a hard f tier because of
Crypto and.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Mos Yeah mozam dude, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's we have
not slended the devo nearly enough on this podcast, and
I need to have a conversation with we the people. Yeah,
going on fucking live stream saying I think that the
DEVO shouldn't be changed. I need to have it out

(59:14):
with that guy. I'd say, what.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
The people, yeah, on broadcast, he said it on the
broadcast they had he had like his hot take and
he had chosen that the Devo meta was actually fun
good and Jumba lost it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I lost it because I was like, because like, I'm
out here and you know what, I'm getting into your
lobby knock I've run into Like, I haven't run to
you yet, I think because we played different times of
the day. I'm always on at midnight, but I've run
into Sang, I've run in to Messiah, the guys you
played with and ship like that, and they roll my
ass twenty four to seven. And so I know the
Weeps is there triple stacking with his pro players, dropping

(59:49):
fucking his nuts with the Divo in my face on
my devour as I hate the metal.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I hate that and know that man Peeve, I will say,
is one of the most committed Devo crawd afters.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
In the game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Is he getting his team to to all Craft?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I was shocked when I played. When I played with
Peeps the last time, I was shocked that He asked
me if I could craft his Devo, because I had
been hearing stories that peeps would adamantly tell his team
to craft his Divo.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
There was no asking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But he's he's gotten kinder and that he's an he's
an asker now. But that man, every time you will
find it. I mean, like, and if I'm playing Ballistic,
I'm not gonna lie. I'm putting Devo or Rampage in
the sling every game because there's no reason not to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I think it is beyond bricked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
It makes no sense, and I swear if they do
this again, I'm actually just gonna be a little bit
peeved that they need to stop giving the best gun
in the game, the Altic Cell.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
That's very true.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
We literally just come out of the hellish P twenty
all to excel meta and then they're like, hmm, you
know what, let's just put the turbo back on the
Devo and give it the all accelerators because why would
we give anybody a reason to use any other gun
other than the Devo.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
And it's just so stupid Havoc meta. Next season they're
doing gold havocs, turbo chargers and accelerators. It's all coming.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
You would have thought the entire point of putting the
accelerator in there, it was to make it to where
people would use different weapons, especially weapons that aren't maybe
at that time aren't very good or maybe are like
a B tier not you know, not close to that
s And they just they just keep putting the guns.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
They put it on. Was like Nemesis G seven and
those guns were already.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Broken, Nemesis G seven and P twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Cars Car and then they did P twenties and don't
ask me what the other two were because you just
used the P twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That's all you used.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
And this season is like Sentinel, which I love the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Sentinel great, Like that's a solid choice. Bo Okay, I
see it, Mastiff. That gun is so beyond ass you
could you could double it up and I'd be okay
with it. And then the Divo, so they basically and
then like with ballistics all it's just it's such a

(01:02:25):
big impact in fights that as a ballistic player you
basically have to play with an altic cell gun and
the Divo is just so much better than all of
the other guns combined. But I mean even with like
like playing bo check R nine or P twenties and
then a Divo in the slang is just unbelievably busted,

(01:02:46):
or Sentinel R nine or P twenties div on the
sling unbelievably busted.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
The Divo just does not need the altic cell.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
It just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
It would still be the most used gun if it
didn't have it, because yeah, because it's so.

Speaker 9 (01:03:02):
It's like it, look, if you're playing Alter, you basically,
like if you want to have like your tps for fights,
like you basically have to use it because like, if
you play Sentinel, right, your options are like like if you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Like I use the R nine a decent amount, but
the amount of times that you'll get somebody one HP
and then die to them because they have P twenties
or a Devo and you're swapping into a Sentinel and
a guy who's one HP and you're not going to
hit that fire is just so infuriating.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
But like it's just like it's such a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I saw a tweet from I saw a tweet from
some Japanese pread player. The tweet the tweet's been deleted
because of the fact that I think it was so
heinously like it got banned off the platform. He was
just holding R two down and then he was in
Ballistical and he had two gold DeVos and he would
just press triangle and swamp and never let go of

(01:04:02):
R two and he was playing ash so it would
auto reload because of the assault, and so he never
had to reload, and he was just mowing people. It
looked like he was hacking.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
He wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I don't think he was, but it looked like he
was hacking. And he was just holding our two down,
walking up to people while he's swapping, and he never
had to reload. And I was like, what am I
watching right now? This is my hell? This is my health.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
One day we got to do a mount rushmore of
the absolute worst gun metas that we've ever seen. It's
we're getting too But there have been some metas where
we thought they were annoying at the time, but then
you look at it in comparison to some of these
other ones and it's not even close.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Yeah, we can do character meta too, Yeah, a separate.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I'm starting I'm starting to lose my mind over alter meta.
And I've made alter for like fucking since she got
this up, updated and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I think we can do this in between waiting for
EWC because we're gonna have some. We're gonna have some downtime,
We're gonna have some.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
This is probably the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It's like a sneak peek because like I used to
think that Rev Octane was the worst, but like, this
is worse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Get right now and then institute this is the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Getting a knock and everyone instant he being out makes
me like, you know what, never mind, I'm just gonna
end it with that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
We'll save it. It's the worst sneak Well, you get
hard to find them before the week starts. We can
get them all listed out, so we just have them
there and then I can come in with some just
horrendous takes for this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
But yeah, we'll get the audience to throw in someone like,
let's let's try and get them you know what. I've
been wanting them to shout it out again. Let's get
everyone to join the discord, link the description and we'll
put it up there and throw in their opinions as
we go through. Some of the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, you throw here's what you do if you listen
to section on YouTube. If you've listened to this point,
in the episode. Right now, what you need to do
is you need to go in join the discord. Then
you add in your worst gun meta worst like legend meta.
You throw it in there. Then we have it locked,
then we have it rocked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
This is a complete, depletely off topic point. But I
just thought about the fact that at one point, when
Ash was absolutely horrendous, that Wyatt said that he made
Ash so that he can have the ultimate to loot boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I didn't. Okay, this gets misconstrued all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
It wasn't that just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
So that I can alter multiple times. And sometimes I
would do it to get out to loot a box
because I had.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
You were t peeing to boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Some very rarely. I would just have so many oldtic
cells that I just had so many, you know that
I'm just popping and relatestenly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Why it's a Lifeline one trick. You gotta slack that guy. Okay, sorry,
Lifeline canto it one trick. This guy, that's all he plays.
So when he gets a character where he's supposed to
be a little bit aggressive, he does with him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I hate this slander on my name, especially after this
tough week which.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Was pre dash by the way tough one. Now this
was pre dash Ash.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I really like the character, man, I really like the character,
and now I don't. Now I don't get to player
because everybody just picks her. So you know, it's it's
one of those things. It's one of those things. All right, Well,
ladies and gents, that should just about do it for
the regional finals and everything going into EWC. We have
an awesome interview with Saucer over there at r o

(01:07:30):
C Rock E Sports Rock Solid. We're gonna throw it
on down to Saucer and then send you guys on
the rest of your week with the heart to heart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Let's get it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Shout out Saucer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
All right, ladies and gents, We've got a very special
guest on here today for the second time on the show.
First time in quite a while. We've got rock Saucer
hopping on the pod. First time with a cam too,
because I'm if I'm pretty if I remember correctly, last
time we didn't. We couldn't get the cam to work.
This time we got. So we're feeling good, Saucer, My man,

(01:08:02):
how are you feeling, brother?

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Feeling great? Happy to be on the podcast again?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Hell yeah, baby, it's been. It's been a hell of
a We're gonna get to all of it. It's been
a weird season for you and also just for Rock
as a as a whole. It's just been an up
and down season. Lots of different rollercoasters here. But I
guess we'll start with the first thing here. You guys
win the regional final. It was. It was a crazy,
crazy regional final. We go ten games deep. From your

(01:08:29):
perspective just going into that, did you guys, how are
you guys feeling going into those final few games where
you're starting to get tired or how is everything going
for you?

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
I'll be honest, we're all pretty exhausted. He could kind
of hear it in our voice, like talking a little
bit less, you know, like not really paying attention sometimes
the right things. But yeah, I mean we were just tired.
But we were just trying to trudge along, just do
to the best we can and that's it. That's all
you could do sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, I think Don had some about that final game
because the final game was as we were watching it,
there was a million things that could have went down
in those final few circles. But don I know you
had something from that, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Have to ask about that Ring four pole.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
I cannot believe for the life of me, that's where
it ended up going. And obviously, like I went back
and watched your guys' reaction, and I'm telling you, that
was probably one of the best reactions I've seen to
his zone pole in a while. This kind of explain
your guys' thought process, because obviously you were looking at
that back tunnel thinking it's to go over to heights.
Obviously bounces back to you kind of what was like
the thought process when you see the zone pop and

(01:09:36):
then kind of your transitioning to you know, the next
place you had to make after that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:42):
Uh yeah, So we were Me and Vax actually went
back and forth about wanting to whether we should rotate
through the back tunnel or not or just push it
alongside the riverside. And I mean when we just saw
that zone pole, we just knew, like, holy shit, we
just got blessed, you know, like we should definitely just
play this, Like we wanted to go back to the building,
but unfortunately, I think Flat already took it, but the

(01:10:04):
rock that we were in by it was still good
enough and actually, in hindsight, ended up being a better
spot than the building for the next zone. So it
just worked out in our favor, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yeah, shout out, shout out tab like he said with
that's with whoever put that zone in the game?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
That was absolutely crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
It was a weird final game. You guys ended on
a fifteen kill win, which has to feel good, but
there was also some weird just instances we see Flat
just run out into the middle of the open they
throw their Gibbe bubble immediately. I thought at one point
maybe Falcons was gonna win it. Thought at one point
Furio was maybe gonna win it. But you guys come
away with it, just from your perspective with this entire
split and how everything's gone down, I mean, that had

(01:10:47):
to feel like a breath of fresh air, like like
a lot of relief, right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
Yeah. I'm not sure if it was on stream, but
you could hear me saying after like a couple of
minutes after we want like all I could say it
was just like, oh, I'm so I'm so relieved. That's
not so good. Yeah, this season's been kind of a
roller coaster of emotions for all of us at Rock,
so to end it on like such a high note
and like our first like I'm not sure, but like

(01:11:14):
I think dads and vaccinized like first, like meaningful, like
win in any pro league is like it feels really great.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
I was just laughing real quick before he goes the
I should have been streaming with, says a good cop.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
It was uh yeah that all.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Those reactions were so were so perfect at the end,
But no, it was just it was awesome to see.

Speaker 6 (01:11:39):
But eat what you got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
So on a long on a long day such as that,
who would you say, on the team is the one
who's like carrying the boats and and keeping the others
locked in?

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
I'd say it's our coach, to be honest, Like in
between games, he'd give us a couple like words like hey, guys,
staying it like we could we could win. Let's try
to focus up like that. That just keeps everyone mental
in check, like making sure everyone's held accountable. Just just
say like, hey, I know you're tired, but you just
got to do your best, because at the end of
the day, this is our jobs, is our tournaments, all

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of our passions and dreams, So he's got to keep
doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
I'll be you couch.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
That's a fire answer, gat coach, And what a great
pickup too for you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Obviously he was working with Unleashed at the open and
then obviously when you come over to Rock he also
joins as well. What was like the biggest thing if
you could point out that he brought to you guys
and kind of helped you facilitate your move over to
the squad as well.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
A lot of it was structure. I think good coaches
like build a structure of how you want to how
you want to improve. So like, uh, scheduling is one
part of it, another part of it. It's like the
mental aspects, so like how you how you mentally approach
FOT reviews, and how you like think about it essentially,

(01:12:59):
so like a lot of teams would only look at
the negatives, be like, hey, you did this bad, you
did that bad, you should have done this, and like
it is kind of helpful to like look at your
mistakes and see what you could improve, but it's also
good to like highlight when you guys do do well,
like how to replicate that going forward, And he does
like part of that too, which is really helpful. It

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kind of like brings it. He kind of brings in
like a coach slash like mentor kind of role to
the team. So it's like been it's been very helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
That's super interesting. I've never actually when you bring up coaching,
you naturally just think that they're trying to work out
the mistakes rather than you know, talking like any about
anything that happened positively. But I'm sure that had to
do a lot for your guys' team moving forward, and
it definitely showed in the way you guys played in
the back half of the season. Now, I obviously not
just for you know, vaxxline in Deeds, but for yourself

(01:13:53):
as well. It's been an up and down kind of
season and you come to this team kind of late
midway through the split. I believe you. I think you
come in on May seven or that was when you
get dropped from LG. When you get dropped from LG,
what was kind of that thought, Like what was going
through your mind when that kind of went down, And
did you have like this thought or this idea of
maybe I could join rock or was that kind of

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like a weird process for you?

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
Yeah, when I got from raal G, I wasn't really
expecting it, so it's kind of like a shock to me.
So I was like stuck in like for a couple
of days, like not sure what I wanted to do
in terms of like my team. So I just I
just threw out a tweet and then just like kind
of gave it a couple of days and looked at
all my dms and just I tried to try out

(01:14:39):
for a couple of teams I believe TSM and one
other team I'm forgetting but oh nip, well this was
before they got signed. But I was going to try
out for Vane's team, but unfortunately they both uh decided
to go with another player before I could get tryouts done.
So at that point I just decided to join in

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Vacs and deeds.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
A big thing too.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
It's always interesting, is like a lot of times when
you see these roster shifts, it's like maybe like a
fragger or an anchor player joining like an IGL and
somebody else. For you coming in obviously being an IGL
and moving to another team that kind of was had
a void in that role. What's it like trying to
come in and kind of balance how you IGL a
team and how you guys play with the strengths that

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like deeds and VACS would have. You know what kind
of is that like balance you were able to find
when it came to that transition to igling them.

Speaker 7 (01:15:36):
Yeah, so on rock Vax is like a very good
co igeal and that isn't something I've had for most
of my pro careers. So it was like a little
bit hard to get used to at first, Like I
wasn't sure like how much leeway I should give VACS
in terms of like calling I should do, And it

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was a it was a weird, really weird learning process.
And it was also I noticed I was playing a
little too aggressive at times, and I was like making
a lot of individual mistakes because I didn't like realize
subconsciously the chemistry that I had with like shooting a
naughty like a lot of times I would just like
int and just die at first. So yeah, it was

(01:16:21):
a weird learning process, like realizing like, oh, I probably
shouldn't play as aggressive as I normally did on LG
or at least like if I am going to I
need to like communicate it in a way where they
could be on board with me and make suing sure
like I'm not doing stuff alone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Yeah, Now going back to LG a little bit, just
because you guys had been teamed up for such a
long time, you talked about like it kind of came
out of nowhere for you, that initial shock of like
being like, oh shoot, like I'm no longer on this team,
Like what were the kind of the emotions coming with that?
And and when you look back on it now, like
does it hurt as bad? And even though like knowing

(01:16:57):
you're you're here with Rock right now and you guys
are you guys are of killing it?

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Uh, the initial emotional response is like a lot of
stress and like frustration, like I'm not gonna dive too
deep into it. But in my opinion, I did not
think that uh our faults at Champs when we were
on C nine and at the open where my fault. Uh.
But regardless of that, afterwards, it's like, after all that's happened,

(01:17:25):
I still like I think I still would have liked
teaming with Shiby and Natti, just because like I believe
in like the long term chemistry of players. So yeah,
but like looking at it now, like joining Rock, like
I feel like I've learned a lot in these like
what like one month. It's only been the month. As

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I've been on this team, like I've learned a lot
as like a player and like an igl like playing
in a different dynamic of like players that I thought,
like overall is like a good experience for me because
now I'm like a better player moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yeah, it's interesting too. Oh, go ahead. I was just
gonna say it's interesting too because you talk about the
long term, you know, like having that chemistry with teammates
for a long time, and it's I think it's something
a lot of people want to see in the esport
because it feels like whenever something doesn't go a team's way,
sometimes even after just one tournament, everything goes to shit

(01:18:23):
and they change everything. And we have seen teams like
some that come to mind, like Sentinels more recently, not
to this extent, but maybe even like a Furia, they've
decided to kind of keep things together and moving along.
Do you think that in the future of APEX you
would probably want to see more teams try to get
through some of these tournaments together, even if it doesn't
go their way at first, to try to build that

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chemistry moving forward.

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
Yeah. I like to say that a lot because from
a fan perspective too, Like a lot of my IRL
friends watch PRIE pecs and they always like say, like,
why is this team making this change? Why are some
teams like who's on what team now? Like it's kind
of I'd imagine it's kind of hard for like fans
to keep track and like root for a team when
the players are constantly changing. And I don't think like

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roster changes happen as much compared to other sports titles,
So it's like, you know, it's not really a good
look for us. But from like the players slash team perspective,
it's like I just feel like players don't give each
other a lot of respect sometimes and that's what leads

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to like a lot of these roster changes, and they
like can't really see the bigger picture of like uh,
like what like I said earlier, like the subconscious like
chemistry you build with your teammates, like that could really
go a long way. Like you could have two players
who like are theoretically like worse than two other players,
but if they've played together like for a very long

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time and they have that kind of chemistry, they will
always just do better. And that's like something I wish
that we saw more out of Apex.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
I can definitely tell you, for somebody that does analysis
and builds team guides, I would very much prefer teams
to stick together because it'd make my job.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
A lot easier to them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
I I definitely could agree with that sentiment to say,
at least.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
You had some Yeah, so with your guys's team comp
you guys have Deeds on the Newcastle, and so like,
how how did that come about happening? Because like literally
when we had vaxelon On, Furia probably griefed it again
as my standard, but I always viewed him as being

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like one of, if not the best newcastles in Pro
league and as like a hardcore M and K legend.
And then you guys put ds On on the castle
and that man still is finding a way to frag
out hard but it almost like unleashes Vaxelon to an extent?

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Was that like the thought press is behind it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Or like how did how did you get how did
Deeds end up on castle duty?

Speaker 7 (01:20:57):
Honestly, that was mostly a decision between that and Deeds I.
When I joined the team, That's just what they played,
and I didn't question it too much just because I
just trusted them, like to just say like, oh, trust me,
this is better, Like all right, you guys have played
longer than, like know each other longer than I have,
so I'll trust you on it. But the general thought
process was that Vax thought that on Cat he was

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more enabled to do like the kind of the co
igelling aspects of his role, so like just throwing up
Catwall's mid five without being told to, or like planning
rotates around Catwall and like saving the team essentially around it.
So yeah, that's what we just decided on. Indeeds plays
honestly a pretty sturdy castle, so it's not like it's
a detriment or anything. So it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
No, he gets it done, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
It's just interesting to see because like I feel like
you would never really see like the controller player end
up on castle duty, and so you guys are kind
of like an enigma in that sense. But you guys,
you guys make it work exceptionally well, and like with
like that mindset behind it, it makes total sense.

Speaker 7 (01:21:59):
It's kind of fun because we've had talks about potentially
changing Vax to Castle and then Deeds to Cat, but
every time we like say, oh we should maybe think
about changing it. We just end up doing well in
the game day, so it's just like, oh, guess I
guess this works. Let's just stick to it. What's broken?

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Yeah, when you first joined the team, was that like
initially your thing? Because I feel like every broadcast we
watched with Rock before you had joined the squad, it
was always like, why is Vaxelon not playing Newcastle right now?
Like even the broadcasters would say stuff about it, like
why is he not playing Newcastle? Was that when you
came in, We're like, can I ask why this is not? Happy? Like?
Can can I? Can I get an explanation real quick?

Speaker 7 (01:22:39):
Actually, yeah, I did ask that. That's what vax said.
He was just like I want to be on cats
I throughout the cat walls, and I was like, all right,
I trust you. I know, like uh, having naughty on
cat last year, like he sometimes you'd get in like
this like zone, like when he's like super locked in,
he'd just throw like the best catwalls you've ever seen,

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and it just be like insane, not even being told to.
So like I understood like the value of having like
a really good cat player with good intuition, So I
just trusted BacT so that he'd be able to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
One thing I didn't want to bring up just with
when you first joined the roster, and obviously you guys
had your first match day, it didn't quite go. I
think the way you obviously had playing for it to
go is I believe it was a twelfth place on
the day, but then you guys pop back on that
next day on that Sunday because you had a double
block that weekend and you get first place. I really
feel like that was a big turning point for you

(01:23:34):
guys as a whole, because obviously you have that first
day with a new roster. You know that can definitely
spiral into multiple bad days, especially when you have to
play the next day. What was your big thing that
you kind of took away from that first day as
a roster that you kind of were able to apply
to that Sunday to where you guys absolutely popped off.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
Uh. Yeah, that day we got taught. It was mostly
me not I yelling to best building and in Vac's
not in putting as much as the co igl. So
I was a little bit nervous that day, to be honest,
And I was like igelling very reserved, like not willing
to take a lot of like risk versus opportunity like

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type of plays, and that was something we discussed like
after the game day. It's just like, yeah, we need
to be more aggressive on the moments where we do
like need to take these risks that will end up
benefiting us. And we had tried to apply that for
the next day to our best of our ability and
just pulled out a dub.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I'll give you guys a little bit of a break too,
because that first day, at least the stormpoint games, I
went back and looked at I believe you guys are
at wall and every zone went south as far as
it could go. So that didn't really help either, I
would say, to say the least, But no, it was
it was fun to watch you guys come back and
pop off because you know, again, like we had mentioned,
like everything you as had came from from LG and

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then what the boys had been through previously, it was
awesome to see you guys bounce back. And again, I
just thought that was a huge turning point. It was
an awesome that day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Yeah, and then you you talked to earlier a little
bit about like you didn't when you first came over
to the squad, you didn't expect to have like vax
On b as good of a co igl. Uh at,
Like you weren't used to it, right, And I assume
when you're coming into that role and you're stepping in
and you have somebody who's giving out this input, there's
probably a part of you that I don't know. Maybe

(01:25:24):
it's like maybe he's over calling on certain things. Was
there like an adjustment process where you were saying, like, Okay,
I just have to understand and get used to the
fact that I'm gonna have somebody who's kind of helping
me out with this, or did you guys have to
talk it out like after uh like a game day
or something to kind of sort out what exactly was
going to go down between the co igl and the igo.

Speaker 7 (01:25:45):
Uh. Yeah, it's kind of been like a back and
forth thing throughout the time we've been teaming, but uh,
we really hammered it in after that game day where
we got twelve like we're uh, we were talking about
it and we're like, yeah, that's had a couple like
good intuition calls, but he just needs to be more
vocal about it and like really just instead of like suggesting,

(01:26:07):
just doing really or saying like we need to do
this and then just having me on board with it
would just alleviate honestly a lot of the problems we
had in that game day. But they're like it's not
all positives. Like there are times where like Bax is
calming a little too much, or like, uh, he's like

(01:26:31):
a little like taking over the igl role a little
too much. But I'd say, like that's part of my
job too to make sure he doesn't get to that
extent or if he is, like during a game day,
like I had to say, like yo, let me, let
me take over a little bit, or like come back
a little bit, you know. But overall, it's like it's
been a great benefit to our team, So I like,
I I want him to keep doing that because it's

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definitely a huge part of our success.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
It was probably a culture shock to start, right, like
you just don't like it's not something you said you've
had in the past, but it does seem to be
like it's working out perfectly because you guys go from
that twelve literally to first overall the next day, and
it wasn't necessarily close on that day. That probably was
when everything seemed to get dialed in. And when you're
talking about chemistry with your old teammates, what are some

(01:27:18):
of the things that you did not expect positively from
your teammates on this new roster that you were like,
holy shit, like we can actually make shit happen moving
forward here.

Speaker 7 (01:27:30):
Honestly, deed surprise me a lot. I didn't know much
about him as a player before joining, and he's been
playing like very very good, like for the most part,
So like that was a pretty big surprise to me.
And I thought joining the team, like our firepower would
be like really bad with double mcka and but that
I haven't felt like that's been like a big issue

(01:27:53):
in a lot of our games where we be like
we don't do well. It's like firepower usually is never
like the problem with our team, well we do do bad.
Like that's been like a very big like relief from
like the expectations I had going into this team. So yeah,
it's looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
I mean as far as M and K players go, Like,
you guys, you guys are definitely up there, especially with
like when it comes to like the movement advantage that
you guys get out of it. There definitely is like
you guys might lose like a little bit of like firepower,
but in terms of especially when you guys have vaxxelon
on cat just like the movement aspect of things, Yeah,

(01:28:33):
it definitely makes up for it. And like you guys
are both like toom in K players who are out
of all of them K players have probably like complained
the least about dealing with like Amoss's situation, and so
I definitely think from like a mental aspect that definitely
goes a long way for you guys, because like if
you guys go into it extremely confident, like it doesn't

(01:28:54):
matter whether they have controllers or not, because like, you
guys are gonna hit the shots you need to hit.

Speaker 7 (01:28:59):
Over's up.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy too just watching that last game,
Like obviously we all know that thirty thirty is a
very strong gun right now. To say the least, you,
at least from what I could tell, you and Vaxlne
were nuking people in that last game. Like I said,
it would have been very interesting to see like what
your perspective was, because just even watching Vaxline, I was like,
damn they're cleaning up every freaking kill possible across the zone.

(01:29:24):
What is it with like kind of these Marsman weapons
that you know, when an MMKA player just gets so
locked Like, what's that feeling like when you know you
just you could nuke anybody from haafwaycross the lobby, especially
like that last game.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
I mean, I'd imagine just like whatever roller player feels
and they start like one clipping just like it feels
very good obviously, but it's like, uh, it's like it
just gives you extreme confidence, honestly, Like if you just
like double headshot someone randomly and you're yelling push swas
shorts I did so much challenge, like you're going into
that fight like even though you just use a thirty thirty,
you're probably just gonna one clipson with even though you're

(01:30:01):
on NK. Like that they amount of confidence it gives
you when you start like knowing you're, oh wow, I'm
locked in, I'm about to hit all my shots. It's
like a huge boost.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
Yeah, And I think to just from like a strategy
standpoint to the way you guys are positioned, like obviously
really your only you know, a bad outcome would be
a team pushing you from the left there at that
last you know, that last game. So the way you
guys are kind of able to really control that entire
side where zero people could walk up on you, it
was honestly just a masterclass and holding your spot because obviously,

(01:30:31):
like you guys just kind of had your little corner
and like thank Adia obviously had the Watson pylon like
you set out to Watson, but no, you guys, I
mean just the ability control that side of his zone
with the thirty thirty and then obviously just the you know,
the catwall to seal off the last fight there at
the end. What is kind of like their big things
when you're in those final moments that like you're you're

(01:30:52):
really looking for is it more just you know, you're
trying to outposition other people?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
What's kind of the big thing is an igl that
you're looking for in those final end games actually at
the stakes that you had with the regional finals.

Speaker 7 (01:31:03):
Uh so for our person or from our positioning like
where we have like good cover versus like compared to
the other teams in his own we're just looking to
just keep our space no matter what. So like any
teams that look like they're about to use util to
try to take space away from us or maybe push us.
We'd heard, we're like pre comming this like, hey, this
team might do this. We need to deny this the

(01:31:24):
best of our ability, and uh, a lot of it
is sort of like luck kind of in regardless, like
Final Zone, like with the cover that you're dealt with,
it makes things a lot easier or harder on the teams.
So US and Falcons, I'd say we had the best
spots in zone and Furia and ag had the like

(01:31:46):
worst or worse spots in his own. So yeah, there's
not really much they could do if we're just doing
our jobs properly, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Now, so we talk, we go back to uh, you know,
obviously at one point you're you're not on a roster
after the open, and then all of a sudden you
end this split your sixth overall you're headed to EWC.
Everything seems to be up on rock right now, Like
you guys are doing great, team chemistry seems to be
going good. But there is also a lot of things

(01:32:19):
that have changed over time since you've been in IGL right, Like,
there's just been a lot of things and for the
first time. I think this regional final showed us how
how weird it's going to get when these legend bands
start to take place later on in the EWC. So
when you guys were going through that and kind of
dealing with that for the first time, was it kind
of like a we're just going to start theory crafting

(01:32:41):
up comps or was there like, hey, there's a chance
before this thing even starts that we can just figure
out what we want to do if this goes like
eight nine, ten games deep.

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Uh, we had a general game plan, but that was
low key kind of ruined by Castle getting banned game
three because that has like Castle has not been banned
in scrim like match point scrims leading up to the
regional finals for like six seven games at least, So
it was like kind of a shock to us. But
we just talk about like our comps in regards to

(01:33:11):
our pois in the lobby before the games or after
we die, and we just like tried to find whatever
the best we can. It definitely gets like very weird though,
like at game eight nine, like and beyond, I think
we ran Gibby Valk what was it Watson on game
nine which like it. Just it's just a cluster fuck,

(01:33:34):
to be honest, Like everyone's comps were just looked so scuffed.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Did you ever think in your professional career you'd go
from Crypto, let's say, here's Crypto to then Bang to
Gibbie to man Maggin a span of four games.

Speaker 7 (01:33:49):
That that was just so weird, honestly, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Go ahead, No, No, I was just gonna say, how do
you feel about the legend band system, because it's seems
like a lot of people like it. But we have
talked to a few other I think we when we
talk to was it Zach No, I don't think it
was Zach. One of the guys we interviewed recently wasn't
a big fan. It was Waltzy. He likes the idea
of legend bands, but just not the way that they're

(01:34:15):
doing it. Are you kind of in that camp or
do you kind of like the way that they're doing
it right now?

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
I'm in the same campus Waltz. So I like the
idea of bands. I like being forcing teams to be
dynamic and adapt to different play styles and learning different legends.
In sod of just like hard one tricking a legend
for like a split, but I feel like one band
per game feels a little too much at the moment.

(01:34:40):
But I'm not sure if there's another like system they
can maybe implement that would be good as well, because like, honestly,
one gamp or sorry, one band per game right now
only feels weird, like for match point after like game
seven or eight eight, like for a six game series.

(01:35:02):
For now, it feels like completely fine, but like I
want to avoid if possible, like moments we had in
like game nine to ten where it's just like everyone's
just running, like concept really don't make sense, but it's
just like these are the only good characters left. I
guess we have to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Yeah, it almost feels like unprofessional in a way where
it's like when you're doing it in Pro league, it's like, okay,
this makes sense because it's like you're only gonna play
those six games, whereas when you're doing it in like
an actual like competitive event with money on the line,
you're like, hold on a second, this is kind of weird.
I'm running the wildest comp of all time, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree, even seeing over in AMEA,
we had lifelines and revenants and like all these different characters.
It's just like, you know, as much as we love
you know, Moore Apex, it may not always be great
when we have these legend bands. That makes you know,
throw some stuff off as much. But uh, one thing
I do want to ask is like when you do
get kind of those bands that don't really line up

(01:35:57):
with scrims, like like you mentioned the newcap, So that
took me by surprise because obviously we had saw you know,
alter Ash basically was consistently banned always game one and two,
but then it kind of went into those more like
igo rotational characters like a Wraith or a Bang or
sometimes it went like the direction of like a ballistic sparrow,
like when you get those weird bands like that, Like
what is your reaction as IGL and do you guys

(01:36:19):
like have a plan or is it more like well,
we're just gonna figure it out in the loading screen
and go from there.

Speaker 7 (01:36:25):
That's mostly a figure out in the loading screen. At
least what happened in regionals were like wait, Castle spanned
that just ruined our game, like four or five six comps,
Like what do we do now? We're just trying to
theory craft like what we could replace Castle with that
would potentially be good on our pois, and we mostly
I can't remember what exactly what we did, but I
think we just sought Castle for an aggressive character and

(01:36:48):
played because we drafted like sort of hybrid pois, so
we instead of like being hybrid more zone leaning, we
did like hybrid more edge leaning or like aggressive fight cleaning,
and it turned out okay. Stuff pally weird and hard
because we have we don't have as much practice on
these comps as we do like with the Castle, but
ended up okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Yeah, it's kind of weird too because we you know,
watching your IGL style, especially with like Cloud nine LG days,
it felt like you guys were very like zone oriented
with this roster. Do you find yourself kind of doing
the same thing or do you feel like you can
flex a little bit more to that, to that like
edge play style.

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
Uh, we definitely flex to edge a lot more on
this team, and I think or definitely a big reason
is because of a VAX's experience on Furia, like being
a super aggressive team and him like COI jaling and
sort of like trying to implement that kind of like
learning from him, like I learned a lot of like
the edge aspects and like playing super aggressive from vax Instcrims,

(01:37:49):
and like if I could apply that consistently internally, like
that's when we do do well. Is like not like
hard focusing on how I used to IGL, but like
playing like kind of almost a little bit like risky sometimes,
like just going for like these big risks that like
I know will pay off, like I've always understood, like

(01:38:10):
back in C nine and LG like playing Zone, like
I understood like the risky kind of plays and how
they could pay off, but I've never had the experience
of it actually like paying off big interny, So I'd
never like if I don't have that experience, I'm not
like leaning like inclined towards it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah. It was like, so when when you guys were
a part of Cloud nine, I was, I was obviously
Nine's up, I had the jersey, I was in the
crowd at LA, I was I was rooting the boys on.
But the one thing that used to piss me off
about the Cloud nine days was you guys would go
overlook a lot overlook Zone and then the game would end.
It would be like a third place with like one
kill or something like that, and I was like, man,

(01:38:48):
if we could just get some KP, I feel like
we can stack some points, getting backsone on this team
and him having that experience and then being able to
be like a co igl in that way. It's got
to be like such a game changer for your ability
to start throwing out kills. To your own admission, you're saying, like,
doesn't feel like you're slaying. Has ever been a problem
with Rock.

Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
And a big part of that is the co igelling
aspects of facts.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
It's gotta be more fun too, I'd assume.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
Oh, definitely, I've been having a blast to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
We were talking to a Rambo who's been notoriously's Zone
for most of his career, and we asked the question, like,
when you're playing Zone, like you got to get bored
at a certain point, Like there's there's gotta be some
times where you're locked down inside of building You're like,
I am so bored right now. Now from you being
able to go from that to like just running it
down on edge getting fifteen kills in a regional final,

(01:39:44):
it's got to be a night and day difference.

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
I'd say like Zone is a little less boring for
IGLL because like even though we're sitting at building, like
most of us just pull up our maps and we're
just like almost trying to like predict the future like
fucking dot strange or something, you know, or like trying
to think like the zone polls here. I wonder what
we could do or if the zone pulls on our head.
I wonder if you could get godspat lists. We're constantly
thinking about stuff even though we're in zone. But I'd

(01:40:09):
imagine like being a player, you're just like I just
told you, hey, watch our back and you're just staring
at like something through a doorway for like twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Must have been extremely.

Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
Yeah, like that work there bro no no one's dropping us.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
One thing I did want to bring it up too,
and something I was really impressed with was kind of
how evenly split you got your guys's like a contribution
to like kills and damages. I feel like there's a
lot of teams where they really have like that one
main guy that's like kind of their opener and a
lot of fights and maybe one main guy that like
refrags for you guys and I know, like, for example,
like a reject in the past when they want to land,

(01:40:47):
they really talked about like their three v three's as
a team really is what helped them lead to success.
Do you kind of find yourselves feeling the same sort
of way where like your biggest strengths are going to
be like just your your peer like together three v
three fighting versus like having a traditional like open air
and refragger.

Speaker 7 (01:41:07):
Uh yeah, I think so. I've honestly never really been
on teams where you play around the like fragger refragger role.
I mostly played around teams are like, hey, let's not
try to think like, oh, you're the fragger and I'm
the refragger. Let's just try to play together to the
best of our ability and like use our utah together
to make sure we kill these teams. So I've never

(01:41:29):
really had the experience of fragger refragers. So I can't
say much on that, but uh, me personally, I'd say,
like a big part of our like why we had
these like or why we had very similar kills and
damage contribution is because of the way we play like that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Now, there was obviously a big adjustment going from lg
over to rock and at the time when when everything
was going on with LG, there was a lot of
struggle at this start of it, at least for for
you guys. And then you kind of have this break
you move on. What do you think was the thing
holding you guys back back in LG was it was
there something going on with like your iglling, Like how

(01:42:12):
did you feel and why do you think like some
of the things were going wrong and and how did
that get adjusted after moving over to UH to ROC.

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
Well Kana, Now, I think a lot of it was
down to our dynamic was kind of thrown off. Uh,
I kind of like loss a bit of confidence in
my igelling because or like sometimes not all the time,
but because of like the way like should be and
not he wanted to play the game wasn't necessarily the
way I wanted to see to play the game. So

(01:42:44):
I would try to adapt my igling on the fly
to like kind of compliment how they say they like
that their strengths and what the how they want to
play is, and that causes a lot of unfamiliarity for
the IGL and that could sometimes like throw stuff off
and yeah, other issues on LG, it was like mostly

(01:43:06):
like dynamic stuff. Uh Like on game like in scrims,
you'd be fine, but on game days, it like sometimes
felt like I was playing with two completely different players.
And I don't know if that's like nerves or something,
but should be especially great player by the way, not
trying to dog on him, but uh like he would
like overcome sometimes on game days, and it like it

(01:43:29):
just throw you off because it's like, wow, like this
guy is usually pretty quiet, and all of a sudden,
he's like screaming something must be important, and like it
kind of like throws off like, oh wait, but I'm
igl I should have final saying these calls and stuff.
So it a little getting used to. But I'd say
those two are like the biggest, uh guess problems we
had on LG.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
I think sometimes too, when you have like those, you know,
those run of results that aren't exactly going your way,
you know, some people do tend to kind of press
a little bit more and maybe than they normally would.
I definitely think that might have been a big part
of it, because you know, again, when you kind of
see those night and day differences between how they play
in a scrim versus the games. I definitely do think
a lot of it is just they might be pressing

(01:44:11):
a little bit too much. Is that something maybe kind
of what you saw in that moment, in those moments
was just maybe trying a little.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
Bit too hard.

Speaker 7 (01:44:20):
Yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
And we did talk a little bit earlier about how
you would rather see and I would too, like teams
stick together a little bit longer. But I guess the
negative byproduct of that is in moments where things are struggling,
you're so used to one another that you kind of
think you can power through it in a way. Was
that kind of the case with LG at the end,
Like maybe you guys weren't talking about as much as

(01:44:43):
you used to, or was it like we were still
doing everything we normally did, it just wasn't working for us.

Speaker 7 (01:44:52):
I'd say it was a little bit of us not
like not talking it out as much as we should have.
H I got I think all of us were very
frustrated towards the end of LG, like about our results,
But I think I was the only one that was
like very vocal about what needed change, and that kind

(01:45:13):
of like that can't work if you're not all talking
about it and all being engaged about like the problems
that you have with each other and like what you
think is going wrong because like I can only see
so much from my perspective, Like from my perspective, if
you're if the problem is this, like might be true,
but like maybe like I could also be doing something

(01:45:33):
a lot better that would help them improve or like
fix the mistakes. Uh, that's something we do very well
on Rock by the like Kudosa Psycho for helping facilitate
that processes that we're all like have proper discussions about
when we do do be bad or have like constant mistakes,
like how we should approach and like fix these mistakes
and making sure like there's not like resentment that's just

(01:45:55):
like secretly building up or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
So Yeah, so you guys have EWC scrims that have
started up. What does your typical day look like as
you are getting ready for this massive tournament coming up?

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
Unfortunately DZU is currently on vacation, but once he's back,
it's like a pretty standard like international scrim schedule. It's
kind of brutal for me on the West Coast. I
have to wake up at like six am or something
for draft, start warming up, start screaming at seven and
if we're in both blocks, which like we try to
be like we try to fill the block that we're

(01:46:36):
not in. If we do do all, it's like screaming
from wake up at six, scrim from seven to like
eleven or twelve or something, and then eat lunch, do
a little bit of our review and then play some
ranked or whatever R five and then just go to
sleep like really early at like nine, and just do

(01:46:57):
the same thing the next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Day, over and over and over again, over and over again.
There we go. There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
Now kind on doing like a boot camp or do
you guys not have that in the books?

Speaker 7 (01:47:10):
No, we're actively trying to get a boot camp. I
think we actually fly out in a little bit more
than one week to start with the shoot camp. It's pretty soon.
I didn't affect it too. They told me, like, hey,
boot camps startning like thirteen days on the huh of Like,
we just want regionals? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
I can't even celebrate this? This is bullshit. No, that yeah,
that should be that should be cool. But I'm excited
to see what you guys can can do. And I
did want to ask too about just you've been in
Igl in this game for so long, and we've seen
so many changes come about here and there. We've got
the POI draft, we had the legend band system, We've
had just about everything you could imagine from Like do

(01:47:49):
you do you enjoy the game more now than you
did back in the day before or do you kind
of miss like the older days of early ALGs as
an Igl.

Speaker 7 (01:47:59):
I definitely enjoy the game now just because it's more
like in depth. There's more things like learning constantly like
look to improve, like with POI drafting and legend bands.
I feel like old comp was very like special specialized,
not that's not a really the right word, but like
for example, like teams like G two, like old G two,

(01:48:22):
like all they knew was just landing thermal, like playing
these aggressive characters and killing people like they didn't have
to adapt to like oh what if we get bad
seating and we're put in like a fast POI. You
know that gives you like more goals and targets to
like learn about the game, as an Igl, and I
think that makes it like way more interesting for like

(01:48:43):
the long term.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
How'd you feel with No World's Edge? How do you
feel about Broken Moon?

Speaker 7 (01:48:49):
I hate that map too. I'll never say no to
like learning a new thing for fun, but I don't know.
That map just feels so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Honestly, it was a blunt answer of all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
I mean, yeah, I can tell you just from watching
the gameplay, it feels like you see you know e
District play out. You know, you get all these crazy
end zones. You obviously Stormpoint, you know, we see some
fun in zones there. I feel like you get Broken
Moon and it's just a bunch of people running around
being like I honestly really don't know what the hell
to do.

Speaker 7 (01:49:19):
Have the time.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
It is like it actually is pretty crazy, just like
how I remember, like when I was working with omit
for a little bit, you know, the way they just
approach Broken Moon was just like, I mean, we're just
gonna run around, just try to fight people because we
don't really have any macro. Like it was just pretty crazy.
What like what do you do get these new maps?
And it kind of is a little bit more of
a less traditional game style, like what do you do?

(01:49:41):
Is the igl that maybe like try to bring in
some normalcy or try to bring in some sort of
like plan into like what you guys do for a
new map like that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:52):
A lot of it is going to be voderviing other
teams and just like trying to get a grasp on
like overall like map knowledge, like which spots are playable,
which timings are whitch and like what like edges are
good to wrap on what zone? So a lot of
it is like knowledge based in my opinion, So like
when you just drop into the map, the best thing
you could do is just try new shit, like just

(01:50:14):
do literally everything under the moon and just see like
what works, and like try to and yeah, just like
figure out slowly. Honestly, not much you could do.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
What do they have to do to make that map good?

Speaker 7 (01:50:28):
Just nuke it, bro just nuke it. There's nothing good
about that map.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
They gotta new some of those choke points, to say
the least, because some of those are so bad to
watch teams have to try to get through.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
They should just make the entire map, that middle POI
that already takes up half of it, they should just
make it the whole thing.

Speaker 7 (01:50:49):
That's the destruct to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Oh yeah too, yeah yeah, yeah, that one is the
same answer the question Broken if you had to play Broken,
if you had to keep playing Brok Moon or you
get King's Canyon with.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
A substantial loop buff. Which one would you rather play
in competitive?

Speaker 7 (01:51:10):
Might be King's Canyon. Honestly, I feel like that maps
like ter rain and everything is like really good. It's
just you get no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Fucking loot heavy lou buff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
But I think there could be something special there. Could
might need to bring it back. All I'm saying I might.
I ready to start by championing that that movement.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
All right. Year six, they announced that the maps being
played are Olympus Broken Moon. How quickly do you go
to a new esport?

Speaker 7 (01:51:43):
Oh my god, I'm just tough it out. There's others
like aphex man. I want to say that that's a
beautiful that's a beautiful answer.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
You know, he's not even gonna leave for the two
shittiest maps. He's sticking. He's sticking.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Well, let's not let's not say that out aloud in
case it's the important people are because I don't I
don't think we. I don't think anybody wants to watch
that combination.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I would want to watch it, but I would just
want to watch the players like absolutely lose their mind.
That would that would be the best part.

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
Can you imagine that howl on an olympus in the middle.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
Of in the middle of some of these games, Dude, Yeah,
I mean rightfully, so you'd be going kind of crazy.
One thing I do want to bring up back to
EWC real quick is I believe, if I remember correctly,
because of how like the qualifying and stuff worked last year,
you guys actually missed out.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
I believe. What's it?

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
You know, what are you most kind of looking forward
to now with your first opportunity to go to TOWC
and kind of you know, everyone really talked about like
how they really liked the production and like there was
a lot of fun things about this event. Do you
what do you think you're kind of looking most forward
to getting to the EBC this year?

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
Most of the accommodations, like for the players, I've heard
like they accommodate you like way way nicer compared to LGS,
And uh, yeah, I'm looking forward to that. But I'm
also gonna miss like having like a very big crowd
because I think last year, like the Apex trod was
like very dead. And one thing I like I loved

(01:53:10):
about Japan was like the amount of passion you could
like feel from the crowd, like you literally look up
from your monitor and it's just like it feels like
a football stadium, like fans and like when when fanatic
Wan and I was like in their group one time,
like the like cheering you hear through your headsets. It's
like that like tells you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:53:28):
It fills me with a lot of like passion and
like determination. Honestly, I want to I want to hear
them chure for me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
Yeah, I was watching party in that from home and
I was like I could feel it from home and
then also just the absolutely regret of not going at
the same time. But uh no, it was it was
definitely a special environment yet there. But yeah, I think
like for whatever reason, the crowd accommodations aren't very I
just don't think it's a big area I think for
my understanding, So hopefully it maybe make some changes.

Speaker 6 (01:53:55):
It's a little bit bigger of a crowd this year
for you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Yeah, I think, I mean even if not, I mean
I think rock Saudi is that not a Saudi org.

Speaker 7 (01:54:04):
It is saor you're gonna get You're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Get a few fans out there. Whenever you guys are
winning some games, you'll get a few cheers. Hopefully they
just make it bigger coming up here in the future.
But now that's gonna be that's gonna be really really cool.
I don't have too many more. I don't know if
you guys had anything else before we before we send
him on his way.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
I got the my my classic.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
Yeah, I think just my last one, because I think
people are curious kind of with how match point works
sometimes from your guys' perspective, obviously you didn't have kind
of like that big banger game, you know, like the
twenty twenty five point game that kind of puts you
on a match point pretty quickly, you guys kind of
you know, you had your tens, the or elevens, your twelves,
but kind of mixed in with a couple of smaller games.

(01:54:48):
What as an igl when you're watching a bunch of
other teams kind of get the match point quickly. What's
like the biggest thing you maybe try to focus on.
Is it really focusing on the other teams? Is it
more focusing on just controlling your own game? Kind Of
like what's your thought process as you go up throughout
a match point because obviously last year we had a
thirteen game match point EWC. You know, if you're not

(01:55:09):
one of those first teams on match point, what's your uh,
what's your main thing you're you're focusing on?

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Uh? We mostually just focus on ourselves, like trying to
fix like what is potentially going wrong or if we're
just getting a lucky just having like the go next mentality,
like it's okay, just keep moving forward. We're doing well
right now, totally best of our ability. But in terms
of other teams, like you just inspect like the matchpoint
teams like in lobby and see, like try to see

(01:55:35):
what comps they are. If they're smart, they like they'll
just pick random characters like random skins, but like just
trying you could see their team color trails at the
very least, so just like keeping note of that and
like the comps they could potentially play in the skins
they have. That's like the best you could do. So
if you've seen them endgame and like you do you
think they're in a winning position, just grief the shit
out of them, you know, keep your tournament going.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
Is there a just my last thing?

Speaker 7 (01:55:57):
Is there?

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Typically like one person that's gonna pay intention to those things,
because I believe it was like fun for the old
rosters when he was with Nocturnal that I think pointed
out a lot of those things. Is that something that
comes down to one person or is that like a
whole team that you guys try to all think about
that together.

Speaker 7 (01:56:13):
It's usually a whole team thing. But funnily enough, when
we were on C nine, Chaotic for some reason has
like the greatest memory ever, like like I'd be so
locked into ig yelling like something that happened, Like I'm
blinking the eye, like we're early to mid game, like
we just fought for a spot where in the spot
I'm like, like count who died. He's like, oh yeah,
this seam died. This seems died. We're good, Like all
the Matlin teams are like, I don't know how you

(01:56:34):
caught that, but all right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:37):
I mean to be fair to HL, I think there
you might have one or two other things on your
mind at the time, where I do think sometimes like
kind of your your backline or anchor player might have
a little bit more freedom to think about.

Speaker 6 (01:56:47):
Those kind of things.

Speaker 5 (01:56:48):
So maybe you just throw that at deeds or vaccline
and make them worry about that instead of instead of
something you have to remember too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
So but yeah, I'm all good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
So No, I had what I just remembered. I had
one that I was gonna ask earlier I forgot about.
So when I so, when when you guys were part
of Cloud nine, I was watching pretty heavily. I was
watching every single like any match day. I was only
watching you guys and trying to figure out like how
you guys were working, and what was working well for
you guys, and and what wasn't at whenever you guys
were struggling or whatever it was. And the one thing

(01:57:17):
I picked up on a lot with with your igl
style was you do have like a confidence thing. Like
when you're confident and you're doing, like you're at your
highest level, you're really hard to beat. But sometimes you
lose some of that confidence moving forward and going through
and trying to like master on on some of those things.
Is that something you've picked up on where you're like, Okay,

(01:57:38):
I gotta work on just maintaining like a level of
confidence to where I know what I'm doing. I've been
doing this for a long time, and and and trying
to work on that as as you move forward into
the next chapter with roc.

Speaker 7 (01:57:50):
Uh. Yeah, I'd say that's like the number one thing
on my list of things to improve as a player
right now. But it's kind of hard to like exactly
pinpoint how to fix that problem. It's not like, oh,
my macro is bad, maybe I need a review team.
So it's like something I've known that's been an issue

(01:58:11):
for like years as a player, and I haven't really
found like a grasp on how to exactly fix it.
But I've been pretty vocal to our coach about, uh,
this problem that I may have, and I think he's
been trying to the best visibility on the back line
to make sure that it doesn't or it isn't an issue.

(01:58:34):
But I think I just need to adopt the mentality that, like,
if things are going wrong, especially if it's my fault,
Like if I feel like something went wrong terribly because
of it it was like my fault, I lose the
most confidence out of that. And I think, like I've
watched a lot of other players from other esports titles,
and a lot of it is down to like just

(01:58:57):
having the trust in yourself that you're able to like
see the right things and do the right things, like
Faker will fakere best player obviously in League of Legend's history,
but sometimes you would just like do the most abysmal
things and then the next game, like he'd just do
something crazy, but like if he lost his confidence, he
wouldn't have made off like these game winning plays or anything.

(01:59:17):
So it's like just having the mentality to just like
not be scared, to just uh make plays no matter what,
even if one play went wrong, like the next play
will probably save the game, so you just got to
keep trying.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
Yeah, I definitely think it's that trust and your ability,
and that trust in your preparation because I know something
I always told players when I was coaching baseball is
like preparation breathed confidence. And I definitely think like you
really seem to be a guy that really dives into
making sure all your prep work is ready to go
before you get into.

Speaker 6 (01:59:46):
A match day.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
So yeah, I think you, you know, you continue to
follow that kind of stuff, and you know, you and
VACS one continue to work together the way you guys
did during the regional final, Like the sky's the limit
for you guys, Like there's definitely a lot of a
lot of a very high ceiling you guys can reach,
so it'll be it'll definitely be fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Yeah, And I also think too, like having that person
that you like, somebody else who can kind of shoulder
blame with you on some of these situations, Like when
you have a coigl like Vaxlin, there's gonna be times
where you're both throwing input out and when things go wrong,
like to be able to have somebody else who's there
with you to kind of be like, yeah, maybe we
should have done this. I think that ends up helping out.
And I think that's why we've seen a lot more

(02:00:24):
success with Rock so far, as like it's not all
on your shoulders, Like there's going to be some times
where you know, when something goes wrong you can kind
of both look at each other and be like, Okay,
we both probably should have said this or done this
and change some of that. And I think it's gonna
be a lot better moving forward for you guys. And
I'm really excited to see what this team can do
at EWC because you guys surprise a lot of people

(02:00:46):
and it's not like you've had your ups and downs.
They've also had their ups and downs. It's been a
weird season for Rocky Sports, but you guys have managed
to pull through. You're sitting at six or going to EWC,
So I'm super excited to see what you guys can
do moving forward. It's it's gonna be a good time.
You want to hit him with that last one?

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Yeah, So the you already answered the question we ask
everybody who comes on the pod for the first time,
and so I, of course I have a question that
I ask everybody who comes on for their second time,
and so that would be from you. If you can
remember the last time you came on the pod. From
that point to now, what is the most important thing
you've learned?

Speaker 7 (02:01:25):
Honestly, confidence is key.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
There it is Banger there, it is there. It is.
That was probably the shortest answer, but in a way,
the most confident one we've ever heard about what they've learned.
That's huge. Confidence is key, Well, Saucer, thanks so much
for hopping back on the show Man. It's been a
pleasure watching you guys from Afar. It's been so cool
watching that regional final and seeing you guys pull it
out at the end, really awesome. Can't wait to see

(02:01:49):
you guys in Saudi and hopefully the next time we
bring you on the show. We've got a trophy in
that trophy case. We got a trophy right behind you.
Instead of just apex posters, we've got the trophy sit
right there.

Speaker 7 (02:02:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
All right, ladies and gents. That was rock Saucer from
Rocky Sports Rock Hard. They win the regional final. Shoutout
Saucer hopping on the pod. Boys, we've got the the
Heart to Heart and we lost Jumbo along the way. Uh,
he got sick from the from from the intro of
the show too. Now he's he's just you know, he's sick.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
It happens like that. We definitely don't record these out
of order or on different days. It's all one foul swoop.
We change in between all that stuff now, but jumps
out for this one. So boys, we got the hearth Heart,
which means Donnie, you're up first.

Speaker 6 (02:02:38):
Oh shit, all right, you got that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:40):
We believe in you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Yeah, I mean I feel be obvious here, bro.

Speaker 6 (02:02:45):
Yeah, I mean I just I.

Speaker 5 (02:02:48):
Don't know, and I'm just it's super I feel like
it's just grateful again, man like, Yeah, it's you know,
I decided to for the you know, first time. I
never imagined streaming or doing any thing like that, and
I just got talking with our boy Pask, you know,
talking about what we want to do for regional finals,
and I just kind of throw out the idea of like, hey,

(02:03:09):
let's just fucking watch it all in this full scent.
And obviously I was gonna try to watch as much
I could anyway for the pod, but you know, ended
up somehow watching legitimately every second of every regional final,
including the teams down Apax South with b r Ad
and then Jump doing a joint stream with Pass and
that led to the you know, the play apex rating

(02:03:31):
the stream and all that, and uh, it was just
an absolute surreal experience. And again, like I'm just grateful for,
you know, running into somebody else that liked cors Lights
as much as I did out in La So uh,
it's just yeah, it's just been an amazing group of
people to meet and just a lot of very a
lot of you know, you really think about like in life,

(02:03:52):
there's always moments to get put in the right spot
at the right time, and I just feel like I've
ran into a lot of that this past year and
I'm just very grateful for you know, the things that
have happened along the way, the people I've been along
the way, and hopefully the future you know, people I
get to meet and the memories we create.

Speaker 6 (02:04:09):
So just super grateful.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Yeah, No, that was cool. That was really cool, super
exciting for dawn E. Do you want to go next?

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
Yeah, I can go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:04:21):
I'll give you some time, And I'm just going to
go with like, maintaining a positive mental attitude regardless of
what's going on is just so like good and beneficial
because not only do you not go into like the
negative headspace because the external thing happened, but then you

(02:04:44):
more than likely are going to be having like positive
results from the fact that you're thinking positive about it instead.
The other day, apex servers are going like go down
for like a couple hours mid international scrim.

Speaker 6 (02:04:56):
Oh that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
Yeah, these boys finish up a game and nobody can
connect back to the lobby and this is chocked, and
so it ended up being like at least like over
an hour or so, and obviously, as an apex streamer
not being able to play the game I'm supposed to
be streaming, it could lead to a lot of people

(02:05:19):
to be like, Oh, I'm just gonna get off, I'm
gonna take the day off. I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna call it can't play is what it is. But
I just I, in the entire time it kept a
good attitude. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
be like, it's gonna get fixed eventually and we're going
to be back, And ended up going from like three
hundred viewers to over nine hundred over the course of

(02:05:39):
it being down, because like when I did get back in,
I was able to hop in the firing range with
one of my ranked teammates and we like, we're able
to play the game more than basically anybody else for
a little bit, and so and an opportunity where I
could have just like been like, oh, like this is
so stupid, like why is this happening? This sucks, and

(02:06:02):
then just throw a pitty party or and then like
got mad or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
I just kept a good attitude.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
And then as a result of that, not only did
I just save myself the negative emotional state, but then
ended up hard farming some viewers because literally everybody got
off because nobody could scrim so all of those people
are getting off. They're not just gonna they're not gonna
sit there waiting to queue into a game that they
don't really want to play that much outside of competitive anyway.
And so it was it was an opportunity for me

(02:06:31):
to eat a little bit, and that was it was
nice hiding those numbers that I haven't seen since, like
the number one grind for a bit, and so it
was it was a nice little moment.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
And it only.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
Happened because I kept a positive mental attitude despite the
fact that I was facing it what could easily be
perceived as an annoying situation, and it ended up all
working out.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Hell yeah, baby, Hell yeah. My heart to heart this
week is social media, and it's one of the good
things about social media. So I typically kind of hate
social media for the most part, even though I'm on
it all the time. You just get it just kind
of ruins your day if you let it, and I
try not to, but sometimes you didn't. It just you

(02:07:15):
read things, see things, and it just bothers you. And
there's obviously a lot going on in the world right now,
so it's like it's tough. But my daughter started going
to daycare and the daycare account like followed me, so
I followed back because I was cool. And then I'm
at work and I would like click on the story
and just get flash banged with like little images of

(02:07:36):
my daughter at school playing with other kids, or like
her coloring or different things like that, which I like
never in a million years thought about, but like my
parents couldn't have done that. They would have had no idea.
Their parents obviously couldn't have done that. And it's like
a cool byproduct of social media to be able to
see like your kid throughout the day, because it's like

(02:07:58):
it's it's the unfortunate part of the world where it's
like I obviously don't make enough to be able to
just support everybody where I can see them all day,
and even if I did, I'd still have to be
out there making that money to be able to do
that in the first place, and I'd be gone a lot.
So it's like a nice little thing to be able
to just see little pictures and images and like her
playing with other kids and like swimming in the pool

(02:08:20):
or doing all the different stuff. Like it's a it's
a cool experience, Like it's one of those things that
I never thought about but like today she uh, there
was like an Instagram story and she was playing peekaboo.
But she she gets the concept. She just doesn't understand
the speed she you know, she does it very slowly.
She does as like a very slow process other than

(02:08:41):
like the peekaboo part of it. But it makes you
It just makes you laugh, and it's like, it's very
nice to be able to have like that opportunity to
do something like that in this day and age. You know,
I'm obviously not gonna see I get. Unfortunately, I have
to see my coworker Matt more than I get to
see my own daughter sometimes, which is an absolute travesty.
Just it's so brutal. It's so brutal, but it's nice

(02:09:04):
that like throughout the day, I get those little moments.
And so I'm sure for anybody who has kids out there,
like getting to see those little things when you're not
there's still really cool and it's badass. I love that,
Like it's one of the cool parts of my day
now is just clicking on a little story and just
seeing her like do whatever, going down the slide the
wrong way, like just doing weird stuff like that. I've

(02:09:27):
seen her do before. But yeah, it's just a cool time.
It's just a good time. So that's my heart to
heart this week, ladies and gents, Thank you guys for
tuning in. As always, the regional finals are done and
we're headed towards Esports World Cup. We're super excited to
go check all of that stuff out. It's gonna be
a fun time. Cannot wait for the upcoming land the
second one heading in to year number five. Ladies, you

(02:09:51):
just We're gonna catch you guys next week for another
episode of the Apex the podcast. Maybe have a little
bit of fun next week. Probably not a whole lot
of news to talk about, but we'll have some fun.
We'll catch you guys next week. See y'all,

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