Episode 130: ROC's Deeds + Pro League Split 2 Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone, Welcome back to another episode of The
Apex the Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We're back and Pro League is back, and we're excited
for Pro League to be back. We've had a bunch
of roster changes that we haven't yet talked about, along
with some brand new teams entering into the league. We're
gonna get to all of that here in a moment,
and then we're gonna give some predictions. You know, which
group we feel like might be the strongest, the Group
of death, some big questions we have going into the

(00:44):
season and just.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Get ready for Pro League.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
But I think the biggest news out of all of
this is the ALGs website.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They changed the font. So they changed the font.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Guys, great font.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's wait so readable, so readable, better filters for chance
points and transactions, basic player stats now on the series page,
toggle total versus per match on turning leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Bug fixes.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
But the new font, the new font is really it's
the headliner, right like it's it's the headliner.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's the big the first thing he said.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I mean, the APEX font is cool, but it's also
so difficult to read when it's the only font being used.
Not easy to read at all. Not the funnest thing
to do. But listen, we're back and we're feeling good boys.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
How I was gonna say, Chris Piper Pifer, I think
it's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
How it is, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I remember shouting out Chris when we were kind of
losting the website a while back.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But you know what, love
the changes, Chris, We love them. Chris critic but also
gives shutouts.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I think he might. He follows, so he might.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, cool, you never know.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Maybe the feedback game.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
From this that could be it. Hey, I'm down with it.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Uh, it's been a few weeks boys, I haven't really
talked to you guys too much. E last time we
talked to you, we were in plat one territory.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Where are we at.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
We're like in the seventies range, so we still still
fairly underperforming, but at least we're double digits.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, so there's a lot of season left.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I was, yeah, I was gonna say, like, you know,
I remember, I think we talked about it offline once.
I'd be like, what would it take to get you
to carry my ass up there? Not to pred to
like Masters. You said, like it's got to be like
a rough season and shit like that. How we feeling
this season?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Rough?

Speaker 7 (02:37):
One?

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Is there?

Speaker 8 (02:38):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Your boy might need to ask you.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
If you're so willing to get on at six am Eastern,
we can maybe make it happen.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I probably shouldn't think this, but there's a potential.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm like in a little bit of a situation, funny
situation that'll explain after this all gets signed up. But
I might have locked myself into accidentally a marathon stream
that I have to do until I hit Masters.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And then I'm plat one right now.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
And we were playing in pred lobbies because like Diamond
four gets you straight into pred lobbies, apparently you're playing
them last night, and I was like, fuck, I don't
think I could.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Hit Masters, like.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
At least not like at least not without playing twenty
four seven. So I'll get on at six am. Actually
I won't get off all day. I'll be there sixteen
seventeen hours.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You have no choice.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it after.
I'll tell you it's a funny situation. Details it's a
funny situation if it happens. But like I don't want
to release it all on pod just yet, but like
one day I'll tell the story if the deal goes through.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean, uh, Donnie, you're probably in if he's
in the seventies range, you're what you're at?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You're sitting at like nineties?

Speaker 7 (03:49):
Where are you at? Sure?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Are you at?

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Maybe like ninety? RP total back in like rookie at
this point. No, I mean I okay, So I haven't
played since last time we talked, not because of what
happened last time. We'd just actually been very busy with stuff.
But I know Matt, like Matt went to like vo
review with Jay, and like we've been talking consistently of

(04:14):
like what we need to do to be better at
It's actually kind of funny, but like it's all just like,
I mean, hey, we care. You know, we're trying to
get better at the game. And uh, you know again,
it really can't get much worse. So the sling shot
hopefully will be happening, you know, maybe just a week after.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
You know, last night there was fun.

Speaker 7 (04:33):
Again, there's really no other direction to go.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So can I see story that uh that down was
playing with with two of our friends all day they
went all day. Things didn't go well. I haven't played
in a few days. I played one game with them.
We won the first game, and I knew down was
like in there listening watching in the discord, and I go, damn,
this rings is kind of easy.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's that same day, bro, you didn't even give.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
It the guy a day that same day. Yeah, same day.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But I was just gonna say that.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
What I was gonna say is I was gonna say
ranked though, And I don't know eve once. I know,
like these lobbies for you guys up in the pred
like have started to like got They're not as great anymore,
but I think Ranked has been amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
It's been so fun.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yesterday we did get into some of those lobbies because
like as soon as Connor hit D four, we're suddenly
fucking playing Sang and uh.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
But like we had fifteen.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Squads left in like right like round like four or
five with UH in like that pread lobby that it
was like, this shit's intense. It was pretty fun like
to be a part of it, and we were doing good.
If Connor did and accidentally cue himself into a team
ratting him, but like, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
Really, you gotta work for the top five.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, it's like it used to be like, oh, if
you even remotely try to play it for endgame, you
were getting top five. Now you'll see like Ring Ring
three closing with like twelve teams up or Ring four
closing with ten, and you're like, what am I playing?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Like?

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Am I on scriams?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I will say some of I will say some of
the like the plat games are actually way better quality.
We always have end games of black games as soon
as we go into the diamond lobbies and like prid
lobbies and shit like that. We did find that most
those lobbies were dying off earlier. But like the one
game we had that went deep, it was like, man,
I can't believe I'm about to walk into this last
circle and I'm still negative thirty fucking points right now

(06:27):
because like everyone's alive. Like but like it was fun.
I love that shit. I live for it and I
can't wait. I was twenty rp off then I lost
one hundred and fifty. So now I'm one hundred and
fifty away FROMD four.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
But like there we go eat.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know, I just needed to eat.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Going back to like season thirteen, that's the one that
a lot of pros talk about being like the one
would you say this is the closest we've been.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
I would say the.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Like, this is not as good as season thirteen split one,
like because that one you had the scaling entry fee,
which was what really brought it to like that next level,
because when you were gloating up into a game and
you were you were looking at a minus two point
fifty at the top of your screen, you did not

(07:09):
want to die early like you were. You know how
easy it was to go, like you die off for
of twice your minus five hundred.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
That compared to like even now, it's like not even
remotely close. But I would say this is the best
it's been since then, and definitely a step in the
right right direction from where we have. Then They've they've
eased up on the matchmaking a fairly good amount compared
to what it was at the beginning of the season,
and so a lot of people are saying that it's
been easier the past couple of days. So hopefully they'll

(07:43):
they'll revert it back, because like, I don't mind waiting
in a lobby if I know I'm gonna get like
primarily like prads, masters and diamonds. When I sit in
a queue and then it's like mostly plats and diamonds,
It's just like, come on, Like we could have sat
here a little bit longer and tried to get some
more present here.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Has the Ari forty five nerve? Do you feel like
that did enough? Because last time we recorded e the
Ari forty five was fucked.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
It's still pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's I mean, at some point you kind of just
get used to it. And I think I'm at the
point where I'm just used to it. The nerve that
hit either today or yesterday, I would say, is definitely
a step in the right direction. It's still nukes, but
it has three less bullets than it used to and
so like, and if you hit three like perfect bursts,

(08:38):
you still like inst to kill somebody. But it's not
nearly as forgiving as it used to be. Going from
eighteen to fifteen and then three more additional each mag
you have, it still has the issue, at least in
my opinion of it is the highest damage gun compared

(08:59):
to like the other s like pistols are SMG or
like the PK can beat it. It has its moments
depending on how that FI plays out, but the fact
that like the highest damage gun also outstrafes people using
a volt and an R nine, I think that that's
a way bigger problem. The like, I just don't think

(09:19):
there should ever be a pistol that is better than
the SMG because then you're like, Okay, if I use
an SMG, I'm just gonna be slower and I'm still
gonna get killed by a re. So it's like, why
am I using anything other than a REE when I
am gonna be shooting.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Harder and then I also have better shrafe speed.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I I I think that now that the nerve
is just like NOMG or white Mag, which you barely
have white mag because if you get from Arsenal you
should get blue. But like NOMG or white Mag, it's
like a little bit weaker, but it's still like good.
And then like that, I don't think it really affected
it at all. The guns fucking ridiculous. I am happy though, that,
like we do have uh like fight the gun, and

(10:00):
we're always getting these metas where we have one gun
that's just so much stronger than the others. I'm happy
that we have something for the m NK players. With
the PK and the R where it's like everyone feels competitive.
That's that's what I do.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Like.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Maybe I just like that I run with two MMK
guys who once I go down, they can fucking TWOV
three with no problems because that PK.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, perfect, there it is there, it is well, boys
and girls. That's kind of the little ranked update around
the boys here. But let's get into Pro League because
that's what y'all are here for. We got Pro League
Split number two coming up. It's gonna be this weekend.
We're super excited for it. We've got a lot of
roster movement, a lot a lot of different stuff going down,
and I kind of want to get to all of

(10:41):
that here. So let's kick it off, Dawn. I want
to go through some of these newer rosters that have
come around the league. And I know you have some
of the notes for some of these teams here. Would
you like to update the crowd for us to.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Give us some of these newer newer rosters coming in
on the NA Pro League.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Yeah, so I think the big ones we can definitely
highlight and uh and get into a little bit uh ZZ,
which was the x N r G roster that is
now going to consist of Guilt Psyke's and Zach Maser
with Whin. He's still coaching Timmy Aosi retired and he
has moved to a sub role to keep the I

(11:22):
think he has more chance points in like one or
two of them is the main reason why. So he'll
still be on there, but obviously he will not be playing.
Another big one was the Shopify move. We had empty
leaving as the I g L with Znu then stepping
up into the role, and they pick up Zapp to
kind of step into Zignu's role of the fragger. I'm

(11:45):
obviously you know Zinu koifol Zapp, they're all gonna be fragging,
but like just to kind of fill in where Ziinu was.
And then they also pick up I think a low
key thing that maybe not many people realize. Lee Yuk
comes over as an assistant coach, which might be the
first assistant coach we've ever seen a competitive apex at
least that like as you know, this notable and like as.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
A title, right, yeah, like you got analyst coach, now
you have coach assistant coach.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I wonder what that rule is.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I wonder if it does is going to be that
he fills in like more of like an analyst role,
or if it is just like they're actually like trying
to provide both. Yeah, it's it's interesting, but sorry I continue.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
No, you're good. And yeah, we'll definitely get into a
little bit more because I definitely want to talk about
that dynamic based on kind of some things I heard.
But anyway, so that's Shopify's new roster. And then Empty
actually ended up joining VP replacing Zach, and that is
gonna be Empty, Lou and Slayer. Those are definitely all
the big ones. Other notable ones LG is now Naughty,

(12:47):
Shoeby and Jelly, with Naughty stepping up to the IGL role,
which would be the first time we've seen that. Monsoon
returns to play a full time and that's gonna be
the Oblivion roster. It's him Fun and Blinkser, which Blinkser
was rumored to be playing with Thuggets and like kim Gi,
but he decided to go with this roster instead. And

(13:09):
I think the other probably main notable one that we
didn't talk about last time would have been what probably
the Skittles Madness and Rambo. Their new name is now
I don't think I saw this, but he made a
tweet and whatever was the most liked team name was
their new name for Pro League and they are now

(13:29):
called hot Dog Mafia is their team name. So at
least on team names, they might they might be the best.
So I mean, well we'll give them that one. But yeah,
that's a.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
Good that's a good Twitter result.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, because when you looked at the options that it
could have been, I'm pretty sure Panics Kittens were one
of them was up there.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
If that is the way that that one went.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
I gotta imagine that probably got second. I gotta think
that was probably up there based on how people probably
would have voted it. But but yeah, I think that's
all the major ones, though obviously there are probably some
other ones, and obviously the new teams that are joined in.
But yeah, I kind of had a little bit of
a ary go round with those those first three teams
kind of team you know, players just kind of going
to another one and kind of filling in those gaps.
But yeah, I mean, each of those rosters, it's gonna

(14:16):
be very interesting to see how how the new players
fit in.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
So one thing I want to shout real quick, if
people are so Like the big thing that viewers are
going to want to pay attention to this split are
CHAMPCE points in how they work.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think we.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Talked about this on a previous pod, but like basically
with the way that works for this split, it's very
difficult to get into Pro League into Champs right now.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Right you basically have to either.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Win Pro League win or win your regional final or
then get in through LSEQ. And that's because, like the
Champs points are so difficult to come by that even
second place may not qualify you if if you're not
in the right spot, if you're too low down.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
In this standings.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
That being said, the points go by your specific teammates.
Each individual player carries the points, So some of these
changes have mixed up, like who's qualifying for Champions right now?
Like before VP was not in a qualification position of
the top twenty four teams because top twenty four get
through VP was in twenty fifth. Now they would have

(15:22):
been one of the teams that if they got enough
points they could have probably jumped, like the twenty fourth
to twenty third team. But with Zach going to Energy
and then Empty going to VP, that bumps them up
into twenty seconds VP's down twenty second energy.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Zach has less points.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Than Timmy, so Timmy keeps his points even though Zach's
on that squad now and they're sitting around like twelve
or so and such like that. This also does have
effect your seeding going into finals, into Championship and everything
like that with like.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Group stages, so shopify.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I believe with ZAP going there might actually be dropping
now if they get good points, they could back up
because it's so, but they're actually they're still in the
same position. They're still an eighth ZAP has Zap actually
has more points than both design You and koy for
I didn't even realize that. So yeah, so actually Zapp
gave them a bump by a little bit. So yeah,
those are some things to keep an eye out. It's
gonna be a little bit confusing to understand this split.

(16:15):
It's different than how we've ever had Champs qualification before.
But yeah, that's just like kind of some of the
mix up with the standings with the with the swaps
and the rosters.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So now we move into the groups here, and we
always like to do this every single time. Right before
Pro League split, the group of death, the one that
you think is going to come out on top. As
far as just which group you think is going to
be the strongest. And I've been looking through these right here,
and just from what I see, I think I'm looking
at Group B. I think Group B is this group

(16:46):
of death that would be Ninja's in Pajamas, ROC DKK,
which has dropped keyon and knocked Team Liquid, and then
you've got like Pioneers in there, the Thuggets are in there.
I feel like that might be pretty strong. What did
you guys think?

Speaker 7 (17:02):
I think for me it's Group BAY. I think that
you've got obviously Falcons, You've got Sentinels, You've got the
X Center, g Roster, TSM, the hot Dog Mafia with
a bunch of Ovis experienced players with Rambow Madness and Skittle.
And then you've got three teams that were in Pro
League last split with nice guys, it was flat, but

(17:23):
now they're fourteen. K Residents is the org they signed
to leave. No Witness is a very U is a
very common team from South America, and then Do Rags
and nehow Nuggets are two teams that qualified through plq's
but there are also two teams that have showed promise
a little bit at times and scrims and stuff. So
also shout out to our boy, our boy Burke. I

(17:45):
believe it's gonna be coaching in a n h N,
so grass him on that. But I think just top,
you know, top to bottom with some of the names
are in Group A. I think that's my my group
with THEFT just because there's so many, so many experienced teams,
so many teams we've before, with a ton of par
league experience.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
E do you want to go I'm still kind of
deciding here or oh, so I might be able to
give my take. You got that, I would agree that
I think A is more competitive than B. Just looking here,
I think this might be some of the most balanced
pro league groups we've had.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
But like I'm looking at C, and I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
C might be like because I just have some of
these teams in C, like can't perform bad last split,
but these are like good team players and like teams that,
like if they did show up and they played how
we typically know, like they could give like teams a
run for their money with like VP or like Luminosity,
Like you know, if they played better than they did
towards the end. You know, koy xcoy now brought in Monsoon.

(18:51):
I think that is like a lot more competitive here of.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
One second.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
And then but then you got a hundred he's an SR.
And like Twisted Minds that they open did really good.
They didn't do their best, but like, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I think, yeah, this could one hundred percent of me
being a prisoner of the moment like I've been so
many times because I'm seeing Nip and Roc in there.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I just feel like there's a lot of question marks
with group C.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, and that's the only thing holding me back because
I feel like Twisted Minds did not perform like we
thought they were going to.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
At the mid season.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, and then you have MT moving in with Lewin
Slayer and I think empt is one of the best igls.
But also they just struggled in the back half, and
especially MT when I was watching a lot of Shopify
because I had picked them.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
When I had picked them, it just felt like it
fel like Zaiane was doing a lot more of the
calls at that time, and I wonder how he transfers
back into that role, not to say that he can't.
I just wonder how that's going to go. And then
everybody knows I'm a big Monsoon guy, but I just
haven't really seen him, so I don't know what to
expect from them yet.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, I get that, you're right, Like that's what I'm saying,
Like it's like quite like I think more balanced.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right, the thing is.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Like Group B, like like if that same point, like Pioneers,
like we haven't really seen play together. Thug is such
a new team eight games, like the other four teams
are like or qualifier teams are like low placed Pro
League split one teams, Whereas yeah, if we went with
like Group A, then you do have Falcons zz TSM,
like Sen was like fifteenth and they made the finals.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
That thing, but maybe it is GROUPY uh or I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I think actually all of them have like some top
heavy teams, but then some teams so it's like I
don't really expect them to do like too much here.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
So yeah, and I surprise me.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
I think that was the thing with how the plq's
played out with so many teams that like brought in
a lot of like new or very inexperienced Pro League
teams like we were going to potentially get this, and
I think we definitely did with how everything broke out.
Like I said, I give my like not a Group A,
but yeah, I mean I think each group I mean,
obviously an I p R O C two the best

(21:05):
performing teams out of the America's you know, during the
last and the most recent stretch. I mean, obviously you
got Draft key on and knocked as a great roster,
Liquid always as formidable in Group B. And then obviously
like one hundred these Shopify Twisted VP. You know, obviously
they all have certain question marks. But again, like you
talk about some of the best players in the world
on those rosters. So yeah, there's definitely arguments for for

(21:28):
all three. It's gonna be it's gonna be A. I
think it's gonna be a weird pro league.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
It is probably this one is gonna be really weird,
really weird.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Group A.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like under Donney's point, Group A does seem to have
at least like the most pro league experience of the
teams that are there.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Group is unquestionably number one.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah you think so, I am, as I was looking
into it. Yeah, I was just looking into it more.
I think Group A has like at least the most
pro league experience amongst those.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah. Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Group easy the top the top rack, the top rack.
You have Falcons, Sentinels z Z which is Zach Syke's guild,
t s M, and hot Dog Mafia.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, but then B has n I, p R C,
d K and Liquid like the four the first four
on B are actually great teams.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Like, but like I think overall, like I would say
that Group A has I'll say seven yeah, very dangerous
teams that line up Like obviously there are good teams
in every group, but I think that the the highest

(22:44):
consistency is there's Group A is just way more dangerous.
I am out, And then I think seeing B are
pretty close, but Group A I think is just.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
Easily the most act I think.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
I think it's you got I mainly look at that
second row is really my biggest saying of each group,
and I think that's just where like Group A stands
out just a little bit more in my opinion. And
obviously like when Falcons is in a group, obviously like
that's where a lot of people lies are gonna be drawn.
But yeah, I just really think, like you look at
group by like there's a lot of an experience or
for or you know, lesser per league performances, and GROUPY

(23:21):
in that second row, and then obviously with Group C,
LG just has a ton of question marks right now.
And then the other four teams are all PLQ teams
and I don't believe really any of them have had
prior par league experience, or if they have, it's very minimal.
So I think that's just where I think Group A takes.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
It in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, my last point was simply be is like Group A.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
You see, so there's like seven teams with like a
lot of Peel experience like ce like you got about six,
uh b, you got four And basically we're just sitting
here saying why, like your opinion is completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
No, but but don you did mention something that I
wanted to transition with, which was question marks, And I
kind of wanted to go through each group and we
don't necessarily have to go off on every team, but
I do want to go through each group and if
you have a question or you have if you have
a point on a specific team, I.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Would like to hear that.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And we'll kick it off with Group A here because
I do think that for me, the biggest question mark
is my boys from Sentinels because they now have had
a run of good good Land experience, They've started to
build it up.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
They've been a team for a long time.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
They've been moving up slowly and slowly and slowly kind
of solidifying themselves as a team that you expect to
be there. My question is what happens now as they
get ready to go into Champs, Like do they continue
to play with this form that they've had. They've also
been one of those real volatile teams where you're gonna
get the best of them one day and then you're
gonna have the regional final where I'm sitting there pulling

(24:48):
my hair out thinking I just jinxed them because they
were playing like absolute shit. So that's my biggest question
from Group A. If you guys have any other ones
for a specific team player or whatever it may be,
feel free to interject.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
Well, I think just real quick to pick it back
off your point and then Jebel let you go. Like Sentinels,
I think, I really do think like this is almost
like a crossroads I think for this team, like they've
really built themselves up as of late. Obviously like EWC,
they kind of had again some good moments, some bad
moments obvious, say, they almost don't even make the last
Chance qualifier, then they come out and go absolutely insane

(25:21):
in that qualifier, and then they have a pretty solid
i would say finals, nothing like crazy, but it's still
very respectable where they ended up, especially considering how they
started the tournament. But I really think this is like
the point of this team that like they need to
kick it to that next year to really show that
they're like one one of the best teams in America's
but also a team that can threat that like Land

(25:41):
consistently and you have to worry about them. And I
do think that if they do have a bad split,
they obviously like a big rule that everybody has to
remember that's different this year also, is the team you
end Pro League with in the regional final is the
team you have to keep it champs and if you
if you qualify based off of the Champs points and stuff,
So like we're not probably gonna really see much movement

(26:02):
after this Pro League, so like keep that in mind
over the next few months. But like I think for
this roster, like if they don't have a good split,
and it's backed up by not having a good chance.
Like I do think this is a roster that like
a lot of these players are like getting into you know,
they're more popular. People are seeing them as like, you know,
a higher threat when it comes just like the top
level of players in the America's region. It could be

(26:24):
a potential point that this team that's been together for
a long time as it split out, Like I think
we've seen that in the past of some of these teams.
So I really do think that, like if there's a
point for them to kick into high gear, it has
to be this split, because they got to prove not
only to like the world, but to themselves that like
what just happened in the past few weeks and a
few months wasn't a fluke. So that's yeah, I think

(26:45):
that's a very good team to point out. And I honestly,
I really don't have another team. I really think Sentinels
is the biggest question out of Group Bay for me too.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Do you guys have anything else in Group Bay?

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Yeah, team, Well, just commenting off the songe, I think
that there's zero chance that the central team like mix it.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I would say, like most teams.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
This is like this like the season where if something
goes wrong, they might look to like switch it up.
I don't think that the central roster, like I think
that this team will like leave their.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Org before they disband.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Really, I am, I just don't see like I mean
definitely Lotterer and Riley for sure, And I just don't
see them switching up on Carter like that.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Yeah, I just don't see it happening.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yeah, And for the record too, I don't want that
to happen in case anybody took that wrong. But like
I just think in terms of like just purely thinking
the competitive side, like I could see that again, if
this split doesn't go very well, like a change is
going to happen, and like you mentioned, like there kind
of is if there is a change, kind of one
person that is the odd man out. But like I said,
I you know, you would hope this roster. You know,
we talk about how volatiles on these rosters are. It'd

(27:53):
be great to continue to see them play together no
matter what. But I just think personally for me, like
this could be like a make up break split for
for this froster, just because like they really are starting
to make a name for themselves.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, jump, but you wanted to talk a little bit
about Falcons.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, I'm just trying to make sure I do my
math right.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Actually, even more specifically Zero and if he is gonna
go for his fourth Pro League in a row taking
first overall, I think that is if I'm seeing it right,
Like it's took a twenty twenty four Split one Pro
League with Dard zero first, twenty twenty two four Split
two Pro League North America first, and then twenty twenty

(28:28):
five Split one Pro League. He's had three in a
row first. Can you go for the four p I
think that's one of the craziest runs. The only other
team has done something like that was like fanatic, but
like so, I guess it was because like everyone kept
switching it outside of why am I forgetting his name?
Like Yuca, but like yeah, like Yuka did it. I
was like the most important guy, Like yeah, but like Yuka,

(28:49):
but like, dude, that's a pretty crazy run. And like, honestly,
if I was him, I'd hate myself for the fact
that he got second and Split two Pro League because
that could have been five. Yeah, Like in twenty twenty three,
imagine going all the way by three and like your
lowest basement in Pro League second.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
And just so nobody like says anything in the comments
he's talking about like first place overall points. Why he's
not talking about like any regional finals or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Like, yeah he won those.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I don't know, not sure which one regional final it was,
but I'm pretty sure he's won.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
He's won a handful of those. Two he won last
split or like, uh.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
The last split of last year, and then he won
one on DZ when Zionu was there, you know, back
in twenty twenty three, so you know, yeah, you know
it's maybe he'll know two. But yeah, that's it's just regardless, insane.
So sure, that's my biggest question mark. Will they do
it again?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I guess the only last thing I have on Group
A would be Team z Z. And it's just because
the Zach maser. I just love following the Zach major
storyline no matter where he goes. And I think this
is actually a really good situation. Like you you get gilled,
you get psychs, and then you have the coaching duo
right there. I just think it's gonna be. I think

(30:00):
it's gonna be really interesting to see how this team
plays out. I don't have a question for it. I'm
just gonna be tuned in. I'm gonna be locked in
watching teams ez, just like I was watching VP the
you know, the Last, the Last Pro League. Anytime Zach
Maser's on the screen, I'm gonna be watching because I
just want to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
You never know. It's like it's a mixed back.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Actually if you want like a real like question mark
two U TSM.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
They're on the chopping block.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Like when I was talking about those like chance points,
they're on twenty fourth totally. And so yeah, Donnie correct
me if I'm wrong. What happens if someone falls into
like twenty fifth, Like it's just like, how do those
rest of those spots feel?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Is that just LCQ?

Speaker 7 (30:36):
So it just depends on how things play out, because
if you assume that eight of the spots are taken up,
like if you know the regional final winner is different
from the team that has the most points, yeah, that
takes up eight spots. So then it go, yeah, goes
further down. And so you're looking at like I can't
I think it's like thirty second or like twenty eight

(30:57):
something like that, that like it would go to in terms
of chance points because obviously you take those eight teams
like out of the picture that are already like higher
up in chance points, So it could even go down
to like thirty second place and Champs points. But yeah,
like twenty fourth is like where you're basically guaranteed. So yeah,
then it just kind of depends on how you know,

(31:18):
splits play out, you know, do they need extended down
to the twenty seventh place, twenty sixth place, so like
after that, if you're just not in those top spots,
your only other opportunity, no matter where you're at, is
you have to go compete in LCQ. So that's the
rest of spots. If you're you know, if you don't
qualify on on Champs points, you're just going in your
region's LZQ. So and the chance points are like irregardless

(31:41):
of region as well. There's no like guaranteed like four
teams of chances points from eight back north like whatever.
It's like it could be thirteen of those spots go
to the NA if it's based on you know, if
they all have more Champs points in other regions. So yeah,
it's gonna be very interesting how that all plays out
and like where that cut off actually ends up.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Being at which it will be very likely that someone
within the top twenty four is gonna also win regional finals, yeah,
or also win Pro League, so we actually may see
that drop down to like thirty two, which is like
why it's so hard to get into Pro League like
right now, where like the points aren't changing too much.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But my point was bring them up with that being
the last guaranteed spot.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
We always see TSM like have really big pop off
days and then we also have them see them have
like bad days, like even on lands, like you know,
like the most recent land, we see them win the
first day and then on finals like not do really
much at all.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So yeah, that's just the biggest thing.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
But I guess like if they're at twenty fourth, they're
probably making it to Champs.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
They're probably locked after this.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
So yeah, like that's one now that I understand that,
But that's why I brought them up originally.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, yeah, when we moved to Group B here, I
think a lot of the question comes from can you repeat,
And I think that that's for both teams at the
top here NIP and ROC. We got Ninjas in Pajamas
who obviously did really well. I think they placed third
overall ROC. I believe they play second overall at EWC,
And I think for both of those teams, the question
is can you repeat, can you do it again?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Can you replicate the day that you had.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Or the tournament that you had, move it into Pro
league and kind of do the same thing, because remember
Ninja's and Pajamas tied Falcons and then lost out on
a tie breaker for winning the last Pro League and
they were quietly just going through that whole Pro League
right there. We never talked about them the whole season,
and then right at the end they tie Falcons for
the points and then just lose out on that breaker.

(33:39):
So I guess that's the biggest question for both of
those teams. Don for you, I guess which one would
you say is more likely in your opinion to kind
of hit that same stride that they had at EWC.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
That is a tough question because both these teams brought
up lots really showed a very quality roster. I think
for me, I might slightly lean towards an IP just
based on what I just feel like they're so well
rounded in so many aspects of the game, Like you've
got everything you want in IGL, You've got everything you

(34:17):
want in your controller player, and McK lovin, you got
everything you want with Korreb with his flexibility and character
selection like that, right, and then obviously like a coach
that's very locked him with the Raven, Like there's just
so much to like and not as no shot at
RFC at all, Like obviously like they are. This is
like very very fine hairs that we're making this decision.

(34:37):
But like, I just really love what NIP has done.
Like they can win games by playing from zone. They
win games by getting a ton of kills. I mean
they were getting back to back games with like ten eleven,
twelve KP and just going absolutely insane. Mc lovin, I mean,
his his come up has been awesome to see, Like
I really think he's another like is a name that's
only going to continue to get better. I've seen him

(34:59):
even scrimming now with UH. He's been filling in for
Zero with Falcons Sin Zero still dealing with his like
passport stuff right now, which I think there's even still
I think he's gonna be back in time. But like
there's still like a small question mark of like he
might miss the first week if his passport doesn't come in.
I think that's like figured out. But them, okay, that

(35:20):
is reaking news. So I mean, but.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
I guess it's just like the challenge our can zero
when a pro league with having jumba play week one.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Like you're supposed to be ranked.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
But but yeah, just again, just finish my point, like
I said, I just I really like a lot of
what n I P has done and I think they
will continue to do easily, will see them competing for
first place in per league again. And yeah, I just
think there's just so much to like with that roster.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I mean, it's pretty like I think that your answer
is like pretty clear, Like, uh, ROC, I think that
at the event most recent one was like both.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Of them are like, yeah, neck and neck right there.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Obviously ROC even took the higher position than them and
led that entire day up until the end. But like,
and it's not the fairest comparison because ROC didn't have
a full s locked in roster for the Open, but
thirteenth of the Open, second and Pro League third at
the mid season playoffs, n IP has been consistent this
whole year since uh vain and mcglevin have squatted up,

(36:35):
whereas ROC have just recently like had this search. So
you know, just if you look at like the length
of time that now our n ip's been doing it
this year, like it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, I guess the The other question I would have
is how do DKK not have an ORG?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You got dropped, keon and knocked. I'm really excited to
watch this scene.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
You got JMO coaching, which, by the way, doubles as
a player because every time you had to step in
as a player, they popped off with Fury last split,
so that that's just another layer to add to it.
I don't know how they don't have an ORG yet,
but this is another team I'm like really interested to
keep an eye on. Not really a question. I just
really want to see, uh what they do, and I'm
excited for that team. But I don't have too much

(37:14):
more on Group B unless you guys have something else.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
I mean, I think my big question with DKK are
they gonna get sixth or.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
I didn't even think about the fact that dropped like
there's a fifth, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh and.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Study in my opinion is just yeah, a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, already I think I think when we end this
segment with the predictions, we have to predict our like winner,
and then at the end we have to predict if
DKK is gonna get fifth or sixth, and that we're
gonna lock that in. We're gonna have that locked in
for the seasons.

Speaker 6 (37:56):
It is like, it's very impressive.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
I mean, to consistently be top five or six, very
impressive from Drop, I will say.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
With as many as rosters as he's had to play
with as.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well bro Ruin did getting fourth last time, but sometimes
sometimes so.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Now we move into the group that I feel like
has the biggest question marks, because there's a lot to
talk about with Group C. I think there's so many
to go through here. But I'll kick it off with
luminosity for myself because I see stay Naughty, I see Shoeby,
and I see Jelly. Who's I g ling this team?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Yeah, I was also thinking the same question on the
roster was Jelly.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
As far as I'm aware, it is naughty, is gonna
be naughty? The I g l is that's at least
what I've heard. I haven't watched them specifically in recent scrims,
but at least a couple of days ago, he was
the one that was doing most of the what would
be considered the igl like comment and stuff like that.
So I believe that's still going to be the case
based off last I heard. But yeah, I'll let you

(39:08):
finish your point because.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So well, I don't have one because that just leaves me.
But the follow follow up question of how the hell
is that going to look? Yeah, you know, because like
Naughty has always been the fragger guy. Naughty's always been
the fragger on these teams for the most part, and
a lot of times people refer to him as having
the controller brain. So how how does that translate? And

(39:31):
if it doesn't translate, what happens after that? Because we
have it, It's not like this is the first time
we've seen that. I think TSM a few splits ago,
when they were still trying to like bounce it around
between Verrhols, Reps and Zap, It's like it was kind
of going all around. You didn't really know exactly who
was who was making the calls at certain points, until
it seemed like Zap was kind of taking taking the

(39:51):
lead for the most part near the end, but like
what happens here, because I feel like I trust that
roster of TSM and their struggles a lot more than
I trust this Luminosity one. I don't mean that with
any disrespect, but I mean if you look at the
names at that one and you compare it to the
accolades with this one, it's not as close, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I uh, yeah, Luminous is a concerning one. Like I before.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
When when the Toronto event was around, I was talking
to some of the guys that all came out here,
and they I keep bringing this Champs point thing because
like in the past, it'd be like, well, all they
need to U is they need to get top twelve
here and they booked their ticket to land right or
I guess like they would have gotten to like Split
two and then they just had to perform well Split
two to get enough points to go to land. And
usually all you need to make was like a finals

(40:36):
lobby and you probably were there where it's like they
have a total of like actually, Jelly, I could have
more points. This is like outdated, but this is one
Nocturnals on the team two hundred and forty eight points
or in sixtieth Jelly didn't do all that great that yeah,
Jelly only has one ninety eight points, so they move
up a few spots. Like it basically means to me

(40:58):
that if they don't win or they don't win regional final,
like they're just they're not going anywhere this split, like
they're just playing the split to play, which sucks because
like LG is an org that's still be sticking around
the game is like great to see which they are
still around the game?

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Right they can leave? Sorry, I know that they sold.
The roster of the company got sold, so.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I don't know what's happening with Yeah, but I just
thought about that as I was speaking.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I was like, are they still in the game.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
Yeah, there hasn't been any update, like okaly, like what
they're gonna do with the Apex name.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
But okay, so at the very least right now, having
that org when there's not a lot of orgs have
expressing interest to be in this esport sticking around. Uh,
to have guys like Naughty and Shuby who've gone to
lands and have performed and like have been like some
of the names that like we see in finals often
and then to like now not even really have a
chance to get in there.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
They could come second place and it does not matter.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Sucks.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It sucks.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Anything else from you guys, anything else that stands out
to you.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Uh yeah, go ahead, don to look at the list
as all.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Okay, Uh, I was gonna say, I think for me, like,
I think it's Shopify, Like I think that we saw
obviously a very disappointing last few weeks a month or
so based on their standards, and uh yeah, it might
be somebody's fault in this podcast. I want name names,
but anyway, uh, and I don't think it's two, you know,

(42:22):
I don't think it's e or or Jumpo. But anyway,
not name But now I almost like it might be
a weird embarrassing to stay with me. I almost like
I almost see them as like a restaurant right now.
Is there gonna be too many cooks in the kitchen
or is it gonna be like a five star restaurant
type shit? Like, there's so many good names around this

(42:45):
roster right now, with Zainu, Koifol, and Zapp as the players,
and then with Don and Luke as the coaches, there's
definitely an avenue where I'm like, damn, these guys are
like locked back into like the Alliance Falcons level. But
I also could see it like with Zinu being you
know fresh to like full time eye gelling, with bringing

(43:05):
in a new teammate like Zap, with bringing in another
mind like Leuke. It could be just there's too much
going on because there's just so many smart people that
they don't know like when to like take a back seat.
My guess is that we'll see a better version, but
we also expected better from the roster that there was previously,
So I'm gonna be very interested to see what uh

(43:28):
what Restaurant Shopify Rebellion looks like after a few weeks,
because I really love what they've put together because again
Leuke and Don two great minds of Apex. Don obviously
being very good with people out like they mentioned with
SSG stuff when they won, Leuke being one of the
bigger brains in Apex I was over to Mia now

(43:48):
coming over to the Americas. And Don also is no
slapshitt all when it comes to like the tactics and
stuff as well. And then the obviously adds how you
know we've talked up Ziinu, you know, Jase talked up Ziinu,
how good Koi ful? Is it fraggy? And how good
zap is fragging? There's a lot of good ingredients, but
can they come together to make the perfect meal?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, no, that's all very well said.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
I'm just excited to see like what happens with like
zionus igelling and uh. I think I got to support
them even harder now with Leuke being Italian, Like, you know,
that's just the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You gotta do it now, Don good restaurant.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
You had mentioned something about like what you had seen
from the coaching dynamic, right, like what exactly was happening
with that, Like you've you've gotten some insight on it.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Yeah, So I was watching Scrims a little bit. I
was able to Zienu has actually been streaming a little
bit more, which is great to see because we actually
get a little bit of the pine and the scenes
that we really haven't got from Shopify teams in the past.
And it really looked like Don was doing a very
good job of kind of helping keep things organized within
the conversation, and Luke really was coming in with a
lot of like the deep dive of like this thing

(44:56):
you know, timings of rotations or or zones or spots
to play for this particular zone or why this zone
was pulling here. Like it really seemed like, at least
based on like my first experience with it, it seemed
like Don and Luke were playing very well off of
each other. So again, my guess is that that coaching
move is gonna be very top tier for them and

(45:16):
it's gonna go really well. But again, it's very different
when it's obviously a scrim day and you can kind
of like slow things down. You know, there's not as
much stuff going on versus Pro League, where you know,
these six games go by quick and like you really
have to be on top of your game. Obviously, we've
seen like in the past that like you know, there's
been arguments within those rosters before. Obviously there's a lot

(45:37):
of you know that happens with a lot of the
top teams, but like we've just seen it with these
guys before. So like can Don and Leuke kind of
balance each other out, you know, Don doing the stuff
he does with the kind of like the coaching personal
side and Leuke with the kind of like hard hitting
analytics that he brings It's yeah, it's that balancing act
is what's gonna decide how well I think this team obviously,

(46:00):
along with Ziynu adjusting the igllen, but I really, especially
like just being a baseball coach for so long, like
that dynamic with Don and Leuke is definitely what I'm
gonna be watching the most.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Any other questions that you guys got from Group number C,
I will.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
Say, just a really quick thing, I've got a Watching
this Evan crypto arc for one hundred thieves is odd.
I don't even know if I have a question. It's
just like, watching Evan Verls on Crypto is a thing
I never thought I would see it Apex, and I
know things have kind of been trending into like the

(46:36):
igls really wanting to be like those you know, frontline
characters like the you know, the Ashes or the Altars
or or whatever the case is, to kind of like
really be calling out rotation and things like that, because obviously,
when it was like more crypto meta, we had a
lot more you know, a decent amount of igls on
the crypto. But seeing Evan displaying that character is just
so bizarre to be just because I mean, at least

(46:58):
I've never seen it before until recent screen, so that's
gonna be if I have a question, it's like if
they're gonna stick to this crypto, Like is it going
to be Evan now, because obviously we've seen what Phony
does and out gout of a crypto that he was,
you know, is there maybe like he doesn't fully trust
like the dynamic duo of Evan and jhn Burton on

(47:18):
the front line to where he feels like he has
to be on the front line with at least one
of them in order to IGL to his best capability.
That that's my question for ander Thief, because they again
they have all the ingredients, it just seems like who's
going to go where and how much is going to
go here and like it's you know, Evan on Crypto.
That's my biggest question.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I've always looked at like teams like make up in
like two ways, like we got the Alliance, which when
they were really succeeding and had a lot of things
going well with them in some of the tournaments, especially
like you know, when the Crypto meta was like Hock
is so unlike the character that Igl's as like you
have your two like gen z fraggers go stupid and
like fucking put all all the damage right, And there's

(47:59):
a lot of teams built like that.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
SR was built like that.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
You know, you could say that A hundred Thieves originally
kind of like felt like it was built like that.
And Shop or when they were Space Station, same thing
was happening because it was the same roster SR, just
you know, Phony was the one sitting back and we
saw those teams succeed. But then like for the longest
time we've seen Falcons or like Zero's rosters succeed, or
like TSM back in the day where you have zero

(48:24):
or when Hal is igelling and those guys are putting
up the most damage in every single game too. On
top of it, so like there is a thing to
be said that like when the two most successful rosters
of like Apex history had their igls leading the charge
into the fight, being the front runner, because like they
want to be mobile, they want to be seeing everything,
They want to be able to call rotations, but then

(48:46):
also call what you do in a fight and everything
like that, and like you know, their players play off
everything they do. Then like that's could be a reason
why one hundred thieves. Maybe like doing this maybe phony
feels like I need to be in even more control,
and to do that, he can't be sitting invisible in
a drone. So that's what I would say, like to

(49:08):
some of your points there, I would just like, funny
enough as I was, you know, almost saying Group C
was like the strongest group before. I agree kind of
like when I look at this group though, or overall,
I think it's a question mark, is kind of. I'd
say there's every single one of these teams where I'd
like I feel strong about them because of seeing good
performances of them, but we've also seen them all have
like a moment of weakness, and so that just always

(49:30):
throws a little bit of uncertainty when like you don't
see the consistent play every week, right, like SR should
have taken first and then had a bad regional final
and then got eliminated before finals in Atlanta, and so
they make a swap, and so now there's suddenly a
question mark there for example, right.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
But yeah, yeah, And I think I think as far
as that goes, I really don't have any more questions
the most interesting team though, because I've kind of done
this with both groups. I think is VP from this one,
because I do think that there's a weird pressure that
was on Empty when he was on SR, because for
so long people have been saying zionw is good enough

(50:12):
to be his own IGL, and when you're watching those comms,
which I did a ton, you could just hear that
he was kind of already igling at that time. I
think with Empty moving over to VP with Low and Slayer,
I think he's gonna have a lot more control and
he's gonna be able to do what Empt has done
his entire career. And I do like the fact that

(50:32):
Lou can pipe in and give like that little bit
of extra there. But I think it's gonna be a
lot less in comparison to like a Zainu to where
Empt can take control of the game and both of
those guys can slay out when they're feeling like it.
I do think VP's going to be I don't know
if I'm gonna say that they're going to do much better,
but I will say they're going to do a lot.
Going to be a lot more stable, I think than

(50:54):
when you have Zach at the helm, where it's like
some days you can absolutely dominate and then other days,
like you know, they just can't find a foothold in
those games. I feel like MT can bring like more
just much more calmness to it. So where they're kind
of just placing in a similar spot wherever that that
pecking order is, and whatever happens to be in this split,
we'll have to find out. But I do think there's

(51:15):
gonna be a lot more just you know, across the
across the board, just even rather than the volatility that
we saw last split.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So that's all I have for Group C and boys.
I think that's just about it for all of the groups.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Here, the questions, the the interests as we move into
this next split of Pro League. Now it's time to
get down to brass tacks. We've got two things that
we're gonna predict right now. Number one is the most important,
and that is who we got win in this Pro League.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
It's hard not to say Falcons. If I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
I was gonna let all of you liked you yours first,
and then I was gonna be like, I want to
see if they had interesting takes or something like that.
I'm going with Falcons for the simple fact that like,
if they do it, then i'd be like four time
and Week called that shit because we knew.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, but like.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
If whatever, I will go in and adventure out and
just to just give any sort of different take here,
I'm gonna go ahead and say an ip, I think
I like a lot of what they've done. Again, Guys,
I'm not stupid. I know Falcons probably is gonna win,
but hips so for Dawn, I've got nips out. Yeah,
I feel good about what they've been doing. Again, I

(52:37):
think that Mike Lovan is one of the most improved
players we've seen, and I just think with Krev his
flexibility and with Vain again, I think, you know, at
least in terms of like the IGLS get talked about
a lot, he doesn't get talked about a lot. I
just I'd love a lot of what they're doing, and
I feel, you know, I feel like they can win
per League for sure.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say like probably Falcons, Like,
I wouldn't say that with like I think that there's
obviously a good change with their track record and everything
like that, But there's definitely other teams that could like
steal like like we said there was a tiebreaker at
the end there, right, so these other teams can steal it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I'm just riding with them because I want to see
the four people.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
You're going Falcons, right, are we gonna do like what's
our non Falcons team?

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Or are we just gonna let that just make.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I'm an adventure out. I'm gonna venture out and I'm
gonna be definitive.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
I feel I.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Would like to before he says anything, I just want
to make it publicly known. I feel horrible for the team,
for whatever team is about to come out of this
guy's mouth, because I just, oh, I would not want
to be you.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Save yourself.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
There is no way am I going to say this
team's winning.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
It is give five to the igl.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
There is no way that they don't win.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Congratulates to Shopify Rebellion on winning Pro League Split number two.
Congratulations and proven the whole world that this is not
a curse. It's not a curse. You're bouncing back in
a big way. Congrats Shopify Rebellion.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
You just w.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
You go live, bro. We'll get it from the Apex
pod fund.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Congrats. He's too good for my curse. He's too good
the roster's too good.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Why good? He doesn't want to see design you comeback
on the pot.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Designer said that he was going to come back on
the pot after they won, and so what.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Then, you kiss of death?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Bro, I'll stop it. So yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
All right, final prediction and probably I said this last
one was the most important. Actually, I'm retracting this is
the most important for drops team fifth or.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
Sixth fi maybe even and I'm gonna fourth.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Oh ship, Oh god, that's sacrilegious.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
I don't know what to do now. Honestly, I think
we might have to end the podcast here. I don't
I don't really know what.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
I'm counting that as a fifth because he said fifth first,
I don't care that he said fourth.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
So that's that's so.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Fast too, that his mind, his these brain waves were
locked on on fifth.

Speaker 9 (55:21):
Yeah, Donnie, I'll say sixth, just to be different. Wyatt, sixth,
I'm switching to fifth. Oh my god, that got leave

(55:59):
that ship.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Oh all right, ladies and gents, we're gonna take a
quick break and then on the other side we're gonna
hit the heart to heart.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Send you guys on the rest of your week. For some
pro league let's get it.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
If you're listening, make sure to go look at ease
face after he just had more technical difficulties pop up.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
All right, ladies and gents, we welcome on a very
special guest. For the first time ever on the show.
We've got Deeds joined in the pod from ROC Sports. Deeds,
My man, how are you doing.

Speaker 10 (56:33):
I'm doing good. Thank you for having me on today.
I'm excited to be here. You Knox asked me quite
a bunch to show up, and I never really replied,
and that's my bad. But I'm actually excited to talk
to you guys.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
You are not the only one, but I am persistent.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, yeah, it would be.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
You know what's the lore of Deeds on this show
is before we would uh, like the week before, a
couple of days before we'd start recording, we'd be like,
who should we get this week? And we'd be like
Deed and then enawk with send a send another message.
It'd be like next week, Deed's question mark send it again.
That's kind of how it's been. But you know what
you were, You're you're here now and that's all that matters, right, Yeah,

(57:11):
that's all that matters. So, uh, dude, you're coming off
of some of the craziest performance of your life with
this last one coming up here at EWC. You guys
obviously did really, really well. Ultimately, you guys just finished
a little bit shorter of the of the finish line.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
But how did that feel? Like?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
How did that tournament feel with all of the craziness
that went on throughout the season? Man, let's go back
to EDWC. Man, how how was that experience for you?

Speaker 8 (57:38):
Uh? Mind blowing?

Speaker 10 (57:41):
It was genuinely the entirety of the event was like
we're doing it, you know, like this is this is
a run, Like we're this is the underdog story happening
right here. From the beginning of the event that we
had our eyes on that trophy And it did suck
to fall short. But for me personally, my best placement
being a thirty second at Atlanta to going to second,

(58:01):
I wasn't too happy after the end of it. I
wasn't too mad after the end of it. My teammates
were a little bit upset, but I was proud of us.

Speaker 7 (58:09):
Yeah, I mean taking it from where you guys were from.
I mean just even the Alias Open, which wasn't that
long ago to where you guys are at now. I
mean the absolute come up, the bounce back, wherever you
want to call it was was insane. I mean just
talk about like that even just short gap of time
of like where you were at the Open to now,
like just what was that like entire journey.

Speaker 10 (58:31):
Like this split, like the start of this year was
the most stressful split I think maybe any players could
have possibly endured. Like speaking strictly on the sports side
of things, nothing personal. I we were going into opens
with the idea that we're going to be playing with Nocturnal,

(58:51):
and because of a rule that locked him onto a
roster because he was a sub, we were forced to
scramble I think maybe a week or two before to
find a sub, not only a sub, a sub that
can pay out a pocket to show up to a
land event. So that just there's already a short list
of players and it just got even shorter because of

(59:11):
the open and the funding and whatnot. So we wind
up getting we wind up picking up Snipe. Bax has
to learn how to igl within a week and a half.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Work.

Speaker 10 (59:23):
Yeah, we're trying to figure out team comps. Snipe hasn't
played comps since legend bands have been integrated into ALGs,
so this was the first time playing on it. We're
trying to figure out the roles on the team because
there's certain characters that like, he's better, like he was
a great ash player, to be honest, he's a better
ash player than me. But then it's like other characters,
like other entry fry characters, he wasn't as comfortabrong. So

(59:45):
then like we were shifting shit around and and like
you talk about team dynamic, which I think from Open
CITYWC was just a drastic difference. It was like our
open dynamic dynamic was gained by a game. It was
it was character by character and and that that whole thing.
Shout out to Snipe for pulling up. But that was
the most stressful land I've ever experienced. We wounded up

(01:00:07):
being signed to ROC as a duo to mid Turny.
By the way, trying to get signed as a duo
is possibly the hardest thing you could do in Apex.
Shout out to the manager, Shout out my manager, Beso.
But that that that in itself was was a mission.

Speaker 8 (01:00:22):
We had a third.

Speaker 10 (01:00:23):
We were telling we had a third, and we tell
them oh no, Al just to we don't have a
third now, and they're like, all right, we're just signing
you guys on a duo. I'm like, that never happens,
mm hmm. And then obviously we didn't play well. It sucked,
but I don't think any of us are like losing
sleep over it because of just how rushed and I'm
prepared we were leading into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, it was we We talked about it so much
on the show, just the entire saga of ROC and
what you guys had gone through throughout the entire split.
And then a couple of weeks before we had, we had,
you know, talked more and more about it, like, hey,
there's there's like a chance like RC makes some noise
here and then you guys show up to to read

(01:01:06):
and you absolutely pop off the entire the entire time.
We're just losing our minds watching this this insane come up.
And it was like it wasn't just you guys were
playing well. You guys had pop off moments that were
super impressive throughout the entire tournament. How do you think
like the team it felt like was kind of jumbled
together throughout a multitude of different circumstances kind of collaborating

(01:01:29):
in this one giant mess. But at the end of it,
you guys just look like a very cohesive unit that
entire day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
What do you think it was for you guys?

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
Preparation.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
I've said it before. I think we're the most well
prepared team leading into that land. We had figured out
where exactly we were like good at great at even say,
and we just belt off a bit. So like I
think a common question when we were like first team
was like, why is deeds on Newcastle?

Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Everybody a lot?

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Yeah, I was actually getting ready to ask you that
later on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
So you.

Speaker 10 (01:02:06):
From the general consensus from the players, like from pro
players just spectators was like, that's just like the best
Newcastle in the game and they have them off the character.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
And that was a that was a leap of faith.
I think that we took as.

Speaker 10 (01:02:21):
A team, more so for my teammates and coach more
than it was me.

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
I had.

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
I had confidence in myself through Castle and Gibbee. I
think I played the most Castle probably amongst the entire
pro scene, even if it's not even if the results
weren't there, So I was comfortable on it, even if
you know people didn't think so or didn't understand why
that was. So we found out like, all right, we're
really comfortable in Newcastle.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
We really enjoyed this pick.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
It doesn't matter what the edge meta is or what
the zone meta is, we thrive on Castle. And so
then we belt off of that and we we came
up with the Newcastle path Crypto and that that was
a weird, weird pick too. I don't think there's many
teams playing that that either. You just saw a lot
of Wraith when we pull out Pathwinder. You see a
lot of Raith, a lot of ash being played, a

(01:03:10):
lot of bangs. It wasn't like Pathwinder wasn't a popular
pick necessarily. And we found out like Vax is really
comfortable on Pathfinder. And then you know, we put Sauce
on Crypto for offensive utility and recon recon info and
and he he's like on undeniably one of the best

(01:03:30):
cryptos in the game. And the reason I say that
is like you look at stat sheets after after the games,
he'd played five games of Crypto and have the same
amount of damage as seven other teams Entry Fraggers, and
you're talking top tier teams I'm like, he's doing that
on Crypto, and so we just built off of that
from Scrimson leading into EWC and.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
It was it was a lot of trial and error,
but once we figured it out, we we we drote it.
We were prepared.

Speaker 10 (01:03:59):
We knew exactly what you expect from the bands and
whatnot and maps and what puys you wanted to pick.
We were just so comfortable. I think preparationals are was
the reason why we did so well.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Absolutely, And one thing I wanted to talk about too,
because obviously some of the big moves that really helped
kind of turn your invacs this kind of season around
was bringing in Sawus, was bringing in Psycho. What kind
of was that process like of kind of bringing them
in because obviously, like you in Facts have gone through
the absolute ringer just trying to get any breathing third
in to say the least, But like, what was that

(01:04:34):
process once you, you know, acquired these guys and what
did you kind of learn from these guys that really
helped your game and kind of helped mold you guys
all into this team that we that we saw.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Psycho.

Speaker 10 (01:04:48):
I had worked with Psycho in the past and he
he's He's helped a lot for me, like mentally staying
in check in the games, like after the game com
you'll see a lot of pro players like crash out
on each other. My teammates don't necessarily do that. But
the way people operate, understanding how they operate and the
way they talk and the way they function is very

(01:05:11):
important to having a good team environment. So that's where
he helped I think the most, Like he helped me
improve on my communication and outside of it was just
like team cohesion after the.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
Game, it's very important.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
And then Sauce himself, I think his his general understanding
of how APEX should be played was eye opening there
there he at first he struggled with hesitation, but through
time there was not an ounce of hesitation in any
of the calls he made. And it turned out to
be one of the reasons why we did so well
is because every every plan we had, it was we

(01:05:45):
understood if we were committing, if we were going to
die for it, if it was something we could back
up from, we could get a knock and chill. We
all knew that leading into it, and and nice where
Sauce like opened my eyes on that part of the game.
He knew what needed to be done and when.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
So and so. What was that?

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
What was that process like going from the open to
picking up Sauce? Was that like you guys knew it
was gonna happen the whole time, or when you guys
saw LG with that swash up, You're like, I'll hold up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
We got an opportunity on our hand the whole going.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
Through the Ringer didn't stop after the open. After the
open gets done, we're like, all right, not turning, we
lock in here. He's like, oh no, I got an
offer I couldn't deny. You're like, oh, okay, we're back
to the square square one here. Obviously they had decided
to drop Sauce, which was in turn like a great
opportunity when you the I GL he was an IGL

(01:06:38):
and I thought he fit perfectly for what we were
looking for. But the yeah, the process of picking up
I mean, I thought it was a blessing in disguise.
I no shape to anybody out there, but I did
think Sauce was mechanically, like speaking just mechanically. I was like,
Sauce is one of the best MKA players in the game.
And I was like, all right, we have an opportunity
to him, and I think I thought he was smart,
so I was like, this is this will work.

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
We could figure this out.

Speaker 10 (01:07:00):
But yeah, that going through the Ringer didn't stop until
actually we were still locked in with Nocturnal after the
open ended. We didn't find out till days after that
he had picked up uh joining oazine.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
Yeah, it seemed like there for a bit, you get
you were almost locked like auto locked in your Twitter
to drop an LF one almost every single day. Just
how many times it seemed like you guys had something
locked in and then it changes something else. It was.
I always commend both you and backs for how well
you guys handled that situation because I mean it could
not have been easy having so many different opportunities come,
come and go again. Just like what was your mentality?

(01:07:32):
Just like kind of just through that period of so
much change, Because like I can tell you, like I
have one small thing sometimes changing my day and it
just absolutely wrecks my day. Like what is it like
for you guys when you go through something that again,
like clearly you know affects your career, It affects your
future career, you know, Like what is it like when
stuff just literally changes from day to day.

Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
There was a lot of self doubt. Amongst the mean backs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
He get.

Speaker 10 (01:07:58):
There was a point in time where he himself said
he might quit, like this was gonna be his last split,
just because of everything happening me.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
I was just like, what a waste of my time?

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:09):
I I joined, I joined at the beginning of this player.
I joined OBVN, I was locking with them. I joined
the BATTFI roster and everything we put out our tweet,
we're good to go. I get hit up by reps
in backs last minute I joined them, I leave ob VN,
and then we get to you know, first day Pro League.
He quits, We go to opens, we're trying to play
with Knock, can't play with Knock. Then we go to
and we go to snipe, and then after we think

(01:08:31):
we're playing with Knock again, doesn't happen. I genuinely couldn't think,
Like I was like, this is this is how my
career is going to play out, Like just nothing good
is gonna happen in terms of like the results that
I was seeking. So yeah, there was a lot of
self doubt. I was playing with the chip on my shoulder.
The entire time after everything, after the opens, it was

(01:08:52):
something to prove, but I was, I was.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
It was frustrating, it was sad, it was her. It
was just it was a lot of up and downs.
I mean there was really no it was just down
it everything.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
That's fair, taking a trouble down that hell yeah, the
mountain was waiting.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I mean, it just seemed like you would be getting
a tweet from Baxlon just being like, Okay, guys, another day,
another tragedy once again, and it was just like every
other day, you're just getting a new tweet, new tweet,
and you're just like, what's happening with this team? Because
especially with with Reps, I think after the first day,
you guys actually did pretty good, right, h Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:09:28):
We got a place on our first Pro League day
within and we could have won that day.

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
We were playing up.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
You know, I don't I don't like how everything went
down with Reps, but he was one of the smartest
players I've ever played the game with.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
And then there was no denying that.

Speaker 10 (01:09:44):
You know, beforehand, I watching him, Evan and Howe play,
I was like, you know, he's an anchor support, you know,
and he's not he's nothing special. And then I stepped
into the game with him. I was like, this guy's
a dog.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
He's a dog.

Speaker 10 (01:09:56):
And we could have won that first pro league day
easily with a few minor changes, like a few changes
to the plane calling and the hesitation that we had,
and it went well.

Speaker 8 (01:10:09):
But even before that day, we knew that he was
going to quit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Oh really so yeah, so so like.

Speaker 10 (01:10:14):
Two days before pro league started, he was like, I
don't plan on playing anymore. And we played the first
par league gay and it went well and we were like, okay, uh,
we could keep this going until he said he would
play until opens and we're like, we do keep this going,
and I'm dming backs. I'm like, I don't know, I
feel shaky about it when when some somebody's one foot
out the door already, no matter how much they say
or do, they're never going to be hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (01:10:35):
And then obviously things went down the way they did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
But was it kind of just like that that next
pro league day where it didn't go as well. He
was just like, yeah, I just can't do this.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
Uh yeah, it was that, and me and Baxx were
like fully set on he can't do it. Like, yeah,
even if he says he can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean when you talk about
just because he is one of those legends of the game,
like what was the thing that surprised you the most
about just playing with him? And at that time, was
he like trying to I yell or were you guys
kind of like bouncing it around?

Speaker 10 (01:11:10):
So he was full on igeling, he went to full control.
He was very much capable of being a top entry
fagger in Pro League. Whether or not people understood that.
The first few scrims we played with him, he was
top fragging, like top damage, like top kills like every
lobby And that was a surprise to me.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
But yeah, when I I genuinely like he taught me
a lot. What he taught me was like.

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
It was a lot of understanding what he wanted from
the game. He knew exactly how he wanted to play
every single game in terms of like placed out. There
was no he didn't want to play his own at all.
He knew what we're gonna do. We're gonna play late
for We're gonna play for Purple Armors, we're gonna play
for Ring three Consoley, and we're gonna take a game winning.
If there's a fight, we're gonna take. We're playing for
a godspot. And that's how every game played out. And

(01:12:03):
our first par league day was simply that we played
for rink three. If a spot was open, we take it.
There's a fight way to take with them, we take it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
And that was every game.

Speaker 10 (01:12:09):
There was no fluctuating his play style. He knew exactly
what he wanted them how to do it. That's where
I was like, damn, that guy's good.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
So then it obviously moves from him to Saucer, and
we had him on the show I think a couple
of weeks before read and he was feeling confident at
the time. And we've always talked about with with Sauce
with him, as long as he's feeling confident in his calls,
like he's gonna he's gonna be doing really well. And
I think when he came on to this squad with

(01:12:38):
Vaxln and I'd be interested to hear your perspective on this,
I felt like maybe the fact that Vax had been
such like a good co igl in Splits past that
it kind of helped him out maintain that confidence all
the way through what were the coms like inside uh
inside those ROC Sports comms throughout that tournament, Like was
he helping out big time throughout Pro League and then

(01:12:58):
ultimately up to UH E w C.

Speaker 10 (01:13:01):
Yeah, Like Sauce is like exact where it was like
he's never had a player like Vas on his team.
He's never had that that type of co I gl So, yeah,
the way they bounce ideas off each other. And then
you know, final cause Sauce usually helped him out. Confidence
came through time, came through, came through practice. But in

(01:13:21):
terms of making the cause that he you know, sometimes
he needed to make that Vax would help him out
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, that's it just seemed like that would that would
be like the perfect spot for him. And it feels
like everything just kind of fell into place for you
guys overall. Now, your guys' first first day I don't
think went like the best, But was there a moment
where you were kind of like, Okay, okay, I think
this is gonna actually work.

Speaker 10 (01:13:47):
I don't know if I had that moment until the
next day of Pro League, which I think was the
day after and I think we won that day. It
was it was after that block we all like young
each other and we were like, we played like pussies,
and the next day the switch flipped in all of
our heads and that that started the trick with down

(01:14:10):
effect of like everything that Saw knew he wanted to do,
there was no hesitation involved that we were going to
get it done, and that led to our next probleague result.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Nice.

Speaker 7 (01:14:20):
I do think too could be a good time to
kind of transition a little bit because obviously being the
first time on, you know, it might be good to
kind of hear about how you got yourself into Apex
and kind of where you know, your journey to getting
to everything that happened with the ROC kind of just
talk a little bit about like what it was for
you that got you into Apex and then kind of

(01:14:41):
like your journey into into competitive Apex. So I don't
think too many people probably have have heard that that
story outside of just kind of seeing, you know, you
playing with like Nick and and uh and uh Jen
when it first started with tripods.

Speaker 10 (01:14:53):
Let me to start from the like the beginning, at
the beginning, beginning, the beginning, I had.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
No desire to compete in Apex. I had no desire.

Speaker 10 (01:15:00):
I didn't even know what Apex comp scene looked like.
When I started playing the game, I was just playing
the game to play it. I was hard stuck Diamond
for a while. Came back to Apex a few seasons
down the road, like season nine or ten or some
some shit, and I was on Controller and I him Masters,
and I was watching Nick and Tim and them swap

(01:15:22):
all over the Apex and give it a try. And
I was like, that ship, look, it looks fun. The
game looks fun. So that was part of the reason
why I started playing. But at the time I was
playing a lot of Fortnites though before I came back,
and I was playing with a guy named Reverse two K,
and he's one of the best, like four Nights, renowned,
you know, pro players of that scene, and he was

(01:15:45):
he wanted to try Apex too, because we saw, you know,
everybody was slopping over. So we tried it and one
night we matched up with Nick or Nick didn't w
under to play with us. He asked Reverse to play.
And I never had been so nervous in my entire
life playing any any game, and it was ranked. There
wasn't a tournament. I never been nervous this nervous. I
played so bad that night that Nick was like calming,

(01:16:08):
I'm ping movies. We need him for deeds. Like that's
how bad it was. I mean, after that, that whole
session went down, I was like, yeah, g geez, we
never playing with him again, No way.

Speaker 8 (01:16:21):
I I didn't after that, And then I was I
was so cuting after I got home from school.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
No, I was.

Speaker 10 (01:16:25):
It was COVID I think so I wasn't even I
was just queuing up after the classes were done virtual class,
and uh I got into a game. I think he
was so solo cuting too, or maybe he was due
accumne with Bebe at the time.

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
And you sure, No I didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
Surprisingly, there was a lot of rumors, I will say
me and him, Me and him did do some sniping
after we had started playing together because it was fucking hilarious.

Speaker 8 (01:16:55):
But no, I didn't. I didn't think there was another one.

Speaker 10 (01:16:59):
To be honest, I didn't even say a thing to
him when we got in the game that There was
not a single I didn't calm anything. I didn't say
yeah we played before, none of that.

Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
We just played. I don't even think we did well.

Speaker 10 (01:17:08):
I think we might have gotten like six place in
a ring game with a few KP and it wasn't
until like the end that he recognized those me and
invited me back. But I didn't dare ask to play
with him because of how bad like the for the
prior experience went. And then from there, you know, we
just started playing like it was only when like he
would need one, So if Koaxy or seventy two hours
would pull up, then I'd be like, all right, need
his amble play with you. I didn't passion, you know,

(01:17:31):
it became more consistent thing. We just kept playing more
and then you know, I was like Nick wants to compete,
and I was like, I don't know what that looks like,
but I am down. And then he kind of took
me under his wing.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
From there competed with him.

Speaker 10 (01:17:45):
We played through CCS, we made Pro League with Luda,
then we UH played a little bit with Corey, were
supposed to play with Snipe Down for a little bit
that didn't work out, and then we picked up a
gent and then that was the beginning of the tripods
UH a longer period of time, and then played with
played with Gent I think for almost two years UH,

(01:18:08):
and then Nick decided to step away from Apex and
we picked up on MoU. We played with AMU for
a year, I think, and then came that went well.
I qualified to my first land with on Moon Gent.
That was a surreal experience. I the first time I
actually qualified to was EWC, and I think the date
I qualified was the same date that I qualified the EWC.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
The next year.

Speaker 10 (01:18:32):
I qualified to land with them. Then Do Too Well
we made Germany Land. Then Do Too Hot came b LGS,
and I think all of us were mentally checked out
at that point, like we didn't think that we had
our ceiling. There was nothing more for us. So after
the event ended, no matter how it ended, we were like,
now we're done. And that's what happened. And then came
my first LFT and that was a nervous That was

(01:18:54):
a nervous time for me because I didn't know what
that looked like. I didn't know what the general population
thought of me. I didn't know what other pro players
thought of me. I mean, for the long smout of time,
I was the guy who got carried by gent is
what I felt like was was was a general idea
of me. So I was like, I have no idea
what to expect COMELFT, and you know, obviously things went

(01:19:16):
down with how they did and where I joined, and
I let to wraps and backs and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
But yeah, so I mean, you go from the uh
I don't know how this LFT thing is gonna work
to probably the most chocked situation of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
All the time. Yeah, yeah, you go. You go all
the way from that to UH to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Getting second place at EWC and UH and absolutely dominating.
So yeah, I guess, I guess you learned the experience
a little bit there. But I did want to go
back to Tripods because it was such an interesting time
because it's like for people who had been watching Nick
for a long time. Obviously Nick's a big name in
like the streaming world. I was always locked into how
you guys were playing, and how you guys were doing

(01:19:54):
and stuff like that. Do you think that after a
while there, did you ever feel like you could potentially
move forward with another team but you just wanted to
stick around with the Tripods.

Speaker 10 (01:20:07):
There was genuinely never a thought to move on to
another team, simply because of the fact of the way
I came into the scene. I was blessed with an
opportunity in a platform that I didn't necessarily deserve. And
and one thing that you know, like was preached to
me from Nick was like loyalty and understanding that, you know,
like we're gonna work through our problems, we're gonna figure

(01:20:28):
it out together. And I never there was never a
thought in my mind to just leave, leave that version
of the tripods or the next Really.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Yeah, it was a fun time.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Yeah, and it was impressive, Like how long you guys
did stay together because obviously we've seen some of the
roster Mania stuff that's curt over different seasons or splits
of Apex. What really was you know, maybe outside of
kind of what you know it was being preached to you,
what was kind of like maybe those one or two
things that really kept you guys together, because again, that's
not really a common practice that we really see in

(01:21:00):
Apex right now. Because I definitely know, I really enjoyed
watching your guys development, and obviously, like we've seen where
you're at now, like that was obviously a huge part
of how have you developed as a player.

Speaker 10 (01:21:10):
Yeah, So I mean, i'd say outside of the loyalty
is one thing and Nick Cat explained this to me,
is that this was it was if it was going
to continue to be fun, we will continue to play
and I'd like carry that mentality with me through every team.

Speaker 8 (01:21:27):
I've always tried to be the you know, the vibe
guy on the team or whatnot.

Speaker 10 (01:21:31):
I think being able to enjoy yourself playing with you
know what, the guys you're playing with it is it's
such a good experience. You know, there's often times where
you see players just low key wind up hating each
other or not like each other and leading them to
them splitting and not once didn't me and Nick not
have fun playing together?

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
So that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
We we had.

Speaker 8 (01:21:53):
We had It was a fun It was a fun journey.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Other than maybe that first time ever. Other than that, yeah,
I can.

Speaker 7 (01:22:03):
Say you guys created some crazy content along the way.
I mean there was some stuff. When I was looking back,
I saw there was like a day you were playing
on M and K I think during BLGs where you
like top fragged when you hadn't played an mmin ga
in a while. Like, I think what's been cool is
to kind of see like, throughout your journey, you've definitely
done a really good job of posting content and it's
really been a cool thing for us. To see because

(01:22:23):
like we obviously get to see you on game day,
but wh then we get to see these other moments
of like, damn, this guy is actually like genuinely hilarious.
Like I would say, have the gameplay, he's obviously getting
better and better, but like I honestly think over this
past year year and a half, I'm like, dude, I
just love seeing the clips this made uploads because like
it is generally hysterical, Like what is like I guess
your key to like finding the fun because I could
tell you today I lost eight hundred RP and ranked

(01:22:45):
and I actually wanted to absolutely just not play APEX
every ya. What's like that thing that brings you back
and continue to like have fun.

Speaker 10 (01:22:54):
Just remembering why I started. I started because it was fun.
I didn't it wasn't I didn't come into anything for money,
and like I said, like Nick Nick, it was one
of the funniest guys that anybody could play with U.
He wouldn't let me be upset. We could we could
like during a scrim we could get his twenty places

(01:23:15):
four games in a row, and he'd still find a
way to make everybody laugh and just relock in for
the next game and outside of comp I think like
carrying that vibe into just the people you meet, like
when you play within the ranked is pretty important. A
lot of a lot of gamers are kind of inseperable
sometimes when things go bad or things go wrong, So
I think having that, you know, ability to laugh or

(01:23:37):
put on a smile is underrated and very much appreciated
by me.

Speaker 8 (01:23:42):
I think that's why I had so much fun playing
with Nick and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
I do think the posting and the content stuff is
something that a lot of people can learn from, And
I think there's been like some discourse already about this,
like recently, where you know, being a professional apex player
is a lot more and just going out there and competing,
firing upstream during scrims and you know, during the tournaments
or whatever, you also have to be able to have

(01:24:08):
the personality and post and do different stuff like that.
For you, as that always just kind of come naturally,
or do you think that like you were able to
kind of lean into yourself more and more as time
went on throughout like that Tripods era to be like, hey,
this is supposed to be fun.

Speaker 10 (01:24:22):
I was able to lean into myself more and more
time came on Nick. Nick told me in the beginning,
he just straight up told me I was stupid if
I was streaming with my face cam off. And and
then like it goes further than that, you know, take
advantage of the opportunity to you know, upload YouTube videos,
you know, get cool designs for your stream, put alerts up,
make it fun. And then my manager, now, uh just

(01:24:46):
dug that even deeper into mind, into my mind as
as time went on, and I've worked with him, and
that's the goal, you know, outside of the competitive stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:24:57):
We're trying to have fun here.

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Okay, So you've mentioned your manager, which I believe is Besa, Right,
So how has how did that relationship form and how
has that impacted your career as you've been going through
this APAX scene because I believe he started out doing
like your short form content and then it's kind of
and then it's expanded from there, or like, can you
give us a little bit of insight.

Speaker 10 (01:25:23):
He was an MFAM viewer enjoyed watching me and Nick
play together. One day he just asked, if you know
you're want to try out YouTube, you don't have the
YouTube's and we're like, all right, just give it a shot,
and and from there it was like, you know, it
was just something that we wanted to continue building together.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
So now we move over into Pro League Split number two,
and with the way things are kind of like worked
out with some of the rule changes in ALGs, it's
made it to where I think you guys are basically
shoeing here going into to get ready to qualify for Champs.
But still you have to perform in this pro league,
like you still got to go in there. You still
got to prove to yourself that you guys are those guys.

(01:26:09):
So going into this, have you guys been practicing at all?
Has there been anything for you that has been like
something you wanted to work on from read over to now,
like what's been going on with with ROC heading into
split number two Pro League?

Speaker 10 (01:26:23):
So we've been scrimming, practicing every day.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
In general.

Speaker 10 (01:26:29):
I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.
I don't know if I should be saying it or not.
But my biggest weakness as a player has always been
my communication. Sometimes I say too much, sometimes I don't
say enough. Sometimes I don't listen. Obviously, Atlanta, I did
my you know, I did that really well, but I've
been struggling with this since I've gone back from RIAD,

(01:26:49):
so I'm trying to get back into form there as
a team. Though, we're trying to figure out the meta.
I think we're trying a lot of different like shit
right now. Yeah, we tried that out, you know. I
think we're seeing a lot more cryptos being played now
after the Land and even during the Land that you
saw a lot more cryptos come out.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Uh, we.

Speaker 10 (01:27:11):
Aren't necessarily playing great right now, and we had a
second place. Everything they'll get like ninth, you know, another ninth,
you know. I think a big part of that is
I think we're trying a lot of shit that we're
not used to. But I think that's good. I think
we're trying to figure out what doesn't work for us
and figure out what we're going to be comfortable playing.

Speaker 7 (01:27:29):
Come split too, Yeah, I think that's the advantage of
you know where your guys are at. You kind of
have this split, you know, figure things out because again
with where you are with with points and everything, again,
it's basically guarantee that you guys are going So what
I guess like is your big thing that you're you're
hopefully trying to figure out by the end of the split,
is it like a set coff you're kind of rotating through,

(01:27:49):
is just mainly working on the small things like communication?
What's kind of like maybe there's one or two big
things that you kind of hope to get out of
this split since yeahs obviously you don't really don't have
to worry about like the qualification part.

Speaker 10 (01:27:59):
Yeah, we're trying to we want to win this pre
league split. Uh, prizing to the side, it would help
us in the standings. I think there's mathematically we could
pass up I think two teams, and we would need
to have a good performance because probably doesn't give you
that many points on the overall leader board. But if

(01:28:20):
we have a really solid pre league split, we'd move
up a few draft spots, and draft spots mean a
lot come land when it's not reverse snake and it's
all priority performance type thing. So we're not necessarily gonna
try shit that we don't think is going to work
on these pre days because we want to win. But yeah,
the goal is to win this split so we can

(01:28:41):
move up in seating. But outside of that yet not much.
It's just prizing for.

Speaker 7 (01:28:45):
Us for sure. I mean, especially the way you guys played,
It's like, obviously there's STI always things to work on,
but obviously coming off how you did at EWC, it's like, yeah,
I mean, we probably feeling pretty good right now, So
it's you know, I definitely think just trying to carry
over that momentum is probably you guys biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
So another thing I wanted to mention was the fact
that I felt like EWC was kind of a coming
out party for a lot of newer players coming into
the scene. And for a long time, the same names
have kind of been near the top, and it's not
like those names have ever really gone away, but I
do feel like RIAD brought out a lot of newer faces,
newer names, fresh people coming out of the scene that

(01:29:21):
I think is going to keep the scene going longer
and longer and longer. And I think you're definitely in
that category. And I think for maybe some CC players
or players looking to come up on the rise, you
had like a massive jump in between from where you
were to where you are now. What do you think
was like the biggest contributor contributor to that jump, Like,

(01:29:43):
do you think it was more game time? Do you
think it was just working on certain things within the game,
like when did you see yourself go from you know,
the Tripods version of yourself to now where you're at
with with roc.

Speaker 10 (01:29:57):
Uh, I was I think it was a confidence thing.
It was sort of a chip on my shoulder. I
was at no point in my career was I ever
trying to Like, yeah, I was trying to perform and
do well, but I don't know if I had a purpose.
I had a purpose after everything happened with you know,

(01:30:18):
with the opens and with all the team swaps. Obviously
the way with the way the things on the Tripods
went down, they didn't really end smoothly. I would be
lying to you if I said I wasn't trying.

Speaker 8 (01:30:31):
To prove a point.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
And that was like all of our stories, to be honest.

Speaker 10 (01:30:36):
I mean, Sauce was proving that they made the wrong
choice in dropping him, Bax was proving to Furia that
he was much more valuable than they they.

Speaker 8 (01:30:44):
Thought he was.

Speaker 10 (01:30:45):
And for me, I was trying to show everybody that
I'm not some I'm not just carried, you know. Like
so I developed some sort of level of confidence that
anybody in front of me is not a better player
than me that I could kill him, like I guess before,
like you know, either maybe there's thoughts and maybe if
I wasn't direct anything, it was in the back of

(01:31:06):
my head like I don't want to take one v
the one with quite full. I don't give a fuck
who's in front of me at this point in my career,
Like I'll take that show any day of the week.
And I think that sort of is what was like
the foundation for why I saw such drastic improvements in
my game and such a short period of time.

Speaker 7 (01:31:23):
That's awesome, Yeah, because it's like you mentioned, it's just
all of your guys' stories really was kind of collectively
coming together and be like, yeah, we are badass, Like
we are a team that can definitely compete with anybody
in the world. And obviously you guys showed it during
the regional final, but then to carry that over to
the Land, it was just like, damn, these guys are
legit like and it was it was so cool to

(01:31:43):
see and like I guess from like getting back from
the Land, like kind of what was like those first
couple of thoughts of like, holy shit, we like we
really popped off, like kind of what was kind of
like that that moment when he got back home.

Speaker 10 (01:31:58):
It was I kind of had a few Him moments
in my own head. I mean it again, like, I'm
I don't feed too much into what people say or
you know, what people think on the outside, but I
knew people were questioning why Deeds was on Newcastle.

Speaker 8 (01:32:17):
Was Deeds carried, you know?

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
And then after the Land I get back, I'm like,
I just proved all those motherfuckers wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:32:24):
And yeah, I I was.

Speaker 10 (01:32:28):
Again, I was a lot happier than my teammates, but
considering my best placement again was a thirty second, I was.
I was okay with the second place in my first
finals Bobbie out of Land. I was genuinely happy, and
I surpassed all expectations I had to myself.

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
So I did want to ask. I didn't want to
ask for quick since we brought up that I'm Him moments,
How did that New Newcastle clip feel the other week?

Speaker 8 (01:32:52):
It just slidified what I was already thinking in my head.

Speaker 10 (01:32:56):
I mean, I mean, for for a while now, for
a while I've been telling backs, I'm like, you know,
I'm the best Newcastle in the world, right and he
he he'll never admit it, he said. He always tells
me if we want to land, I'll tell you, I'll
say it. But I mean it just further the thought that, like,
I don't think there's anybody that's as good as me
on that character.

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
Obviously, now I have the results to be able to
confidently say that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Speaking her clips, this just popped in my head right now.
What was that moment like at EWC where it was
like the one v one v one with Saucer. I
think it was on World's Edge.

Speaker 7 (01:33:32):
Yeah, I uh, in that end.

Speaker 8 (01:33:38):
Game, you know, we alter Q up.

Speaker 10 (01:33:40):
There's a game plan. We're gonna catwal We're gonna try
to take hit all that. Everything's happening the right way.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:33:47):
We open it up with a knock. We have a
cat wall. We had this space.

Speaker 10 (01:33:49):
We went and then the team, the team from low
Ground wraps us, and I got when I got a
p K in my hands. Throughout all the Pro League
and scrims, like me and my team has always said,
like just give Deeds a p K. If I had
a p K, I didn't think I was gonna die.
It was just an automatic win. The team wraps us
on the ground and I just challenged through a cowo
with PK. I hit one guy for like one hundred

(01:34:10):
and twenty and die. I was like, fuck I threw
and then the fight draws out. There are multiple knocks
on multiple teams, and there's like I was just sitting.
I was like, holy fuck, I might have trolled. And
I knew as soon as Sauce there's a moment in
the game coms where Sauces like shut the fuck up
or something. Yeah, and I was like, wait a minute,

(01:34:33):
he's got this, and our coms go quiet, and then
he just clutches up the game and I was like, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:39):
He did it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Yeah, I was gonna specifically ask about to shut the
fuck up part because he was.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
It was like he was entering his final form. Yeah,
in that moment.

Speaker 10 (01:34:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of times where I might be
talking too much, and I always toldt him. I was like,
if I'm ever doing that, you have full on right
to just say whatever the fuck you wanted me to
get shut up. So as soon as those comps caream
out of his mouth and angum, I was like, I
think he's about to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:04):
And then he wounded up clutching up that game. Yeah,
it was that was crazy?

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
Was that like something you had seen from him before?
And then you guys have teamed up because like I
just haven't quite had seen that. So when I saw
it when we were a watch party, I was like,
holy shit, like this guy has to win this now, right, Like, yeah,
what have you ever seen that? Before that happened, he'd
done it a few times.

Speaker 10 (01:35:22):
I will say, like my coms aren't the best necessarily,
especially in scrims. It's hard to emulate the environment from
scrims to competitive like you know, actual tournament day. Specifically me,
my energy is completely different. I don't know if there's
a way for me to change that. Something I've just
always dealt with. So I experienced it like maybe once
or twice, maybe through like a pro league day. But
I knew when it happened at Land that he was

(01:35:44):
switching of a flip. There was a switch being flipped
in his head.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
I think he was our last interview before the tournament.
So like we I think we've had him on two
or three times and and every single time it's been good.
So we we're like a big we're big Saucer fans.
And when that when that happened and we were all like,
watch partying together.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Yes, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
It's just one of those moments.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
I also, I thought his celebrations, I'm a big I
watched the celebrations. I thought he popped off for a
celebration too. I didn't expect that out of him. Also
surprisingly taller than I thought.

Speaker 8 (01:36:15):
Yeah he's pretty tall.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yeah, just absolutely badass. And no it it was great
to watch you guys succeed. And like I said, I
really do think that now there's gonna be a whole
lot of people who are going to be watching out
for deeds come this next this next split and heading
into Champs. And uh, I think for you, just looking
back on everything that's happened, man, you've had this crazy

(01:36:38):
rollercoaster ride of experiences that like a lot of people
just they would dream of in these situations.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Does does that moment ever get lost on you?

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Of just like how how special this has truly been
this career and even though you guys had that crazy
run of just all the bad things that could have
possibly happened, Like you're sitting here now and it's got
to feel like wow, man, like I made it this
is special.

Speaker 8 (01:37:03):
I'll say that.

Speaker 10 (01:37:04):
I think from the beginning of my career specifically, I
always felt like I was blessed no matter the results,
I was blessed with the something outside of competitive apex
that was that was a passion project more so than
it was like anything money related for me. I had
I had a stream that was doing well and had
been consistently doing well for years, and you know, later

(01:37:27):
down the line, obviously through the different iterations of the
tripods and a melfting and whatnot, I had always been
blessed to think that I had a platform to stream
to people, to showcase my gameplay competitive speaking, Competitively speaking,
it didn't feel like I was truly best until that
second place at EWC for just comp related Like I

(01:37:49):
was like, fuck, the thirty second and thirty fourth were
worth it, they.

Speaker 7 (01:37:52):
Were worth it for this. Yeah, So yeah, definitely, Yeah,
it's it's been cool to see that journey. And again,
like people can say whatever one about you know, being
given an opportunity, but you also have to take advantage
of the opportunity when it's given to you. And I
think that's that's one hundred percent what you've done over
this this time of your career and it's been it's
just been so sick to watch man, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
And there were other people who ran in a Nick
Mark seloque and who in out not turning it into
an entire apexper.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
You know, yeah, and honestly say what you want about
the tripods at that time. But like you and Gent
are both on the rise, and I mean was already
kind of there, like we we had already known who
Gent was. But I mean, now he's doing he's doing
well over there with TSM.

Speaker 10 (01:38:36):
So yeah, I think he has his best land placement
recently too, So I think I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I
mean we're both on the app.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, you love to see it. You love to see it,
e you want to hit him with it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
Indeeds.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
So the question we ask everybody who comes on the pod.
You work very clearly, especially after this last performance, performing
in the top one percent of your field for your
competitive apex legends, and so along this journey, what would
you say is one thing that you've learned that somebody,
regardless of the field that they were pursuing, they could

(01:39:12):
take and apply to their journeys to the top one
percent to help them get there.

Speaker 10 (01:39:20):
You have to remember why you started and why you started. Yeah,
I mean, I know said a lot in the sports
slash streamer space, but as soon as it turns into
a job for you, it is no longer find and
everything that you're putting into it just diminishes. So no
matter what it is, there's gonna be ups and downs

(01:39:41):
in your journey, but you have to remember why you
started and what goal you're going after.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
That's great, man, that's badass. Well deeds, it's been awesome
having you on the show for the first time. Glad
to finally bring you on, and glad to bring you
on in this circumstance. Man, we're big fans and we're
gonna be rooting for Roc.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
I mean we were.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
We were rooting for Roc the entire time. Like that's
just like I said, we've had Saucer on a bunch,
so we just love seeing him do well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
And uh, you know it was. Now now we have
a whole nother reason to root for Roc man. But
thanks for hopping on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
And hopefully next time you're on the show there's a
trophy in that background, right and maybe next to baby Yoda.

Speaker 8 (01:40:19):
Yeah, it might be. Thank you guys for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yeah, hopefully some more Hell yeah, hell yeah. Man, Thanks everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
All right, ladies and gents, It's been an episode full
of technical difficulties, but we're here and we're ready to
do our heart to heart.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Normally i'd say Jumba goes first, but e heart to heart.

Speaker 6 (01:40:42):
Just in case.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
I'm grateful that I have the opportunity to have problems
stop like that are creating annoyances in the things that
I'm very blessed to do. Yeah, you know, because like
you know, you could say, man, having all of those
audio issues while recording your podcast, that's pretty frustrating. But

(01:41:05):
it's like, hey, at least I have a podcast that
I get to have audio issues for exactly. And so
recently especially I have been mister poopy pants more than
I should be and have been just a little just
an angry guy, just just I've been angry lately, and
I don't like that. And it's the only reason I'm

(01:41:27):
angry is because I am not being grateful enough for
everything that I got going on, And so if I
was more grateful, I would be less angry. And I
think that that sounds like a substantially better way to
live life. Because I'm gonna be honest, after spending a
couple of days being angry, I'm kind of tired of it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Yeah, I don't get how people do this all the time.
I personally not.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
I'm not. I'm not cut out for it. You know,
I'm gonna go ahead and do my best to put
it down.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
And that is that is coming from a guy who
spent six hours uh on hold basically to then basically,
I just all of my efforts squandered after six hours
of being on hold while streaming, very unpleasant.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
Yeah, would not wish it on anybody.

Speaker 10 (01:42:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
At least I have a stream that I get to
that I get to do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Oh my god, I'm so excited for our rank session.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah, it's gonna be sick.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
I can't wait to see. I thought should have the game.

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
Uh let jumping now me.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
Yeah, let's go with the fact that Pro League's back,
and you know, when Pro League's back, we get these
pods rolling. I feel like, you know, I feel like
we haven't been able to record consistently and I've missed
a bunch beinging away and then like other ship going
on here and there. So now we got p L
back and I love it and I love getting on
the pod and talking to you guys every week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
So that's my heart and heart excited to I wanted
to get.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
The lighting right for your heart to heart, bro, I
want to get the lighting right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Did you change your lighting?

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I just turned on this light in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Cool?

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
Yeah, I cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:13):
Thank you to put the spotlight on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Yeah, my heart heart Okay, yeah, oh I said it.
I said it. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Yeah, there you go, Donnie, your Heart to Heart. Uh
what a banger episode.

Speaker 7 (01:43:31):
Very smooth, It's very smooth. I mean, I think it's
just very appreciative. I'm very appreciative for ranked teammates that
still decide to rank with me even though I'm a
piece of shit to play with sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
I you know again, somehow have this, uh the stereotype
of being someone that tilts quickly. I don't know where
that comes from. Wow, I don't know. I really don't know.
It's not like I've ever yelled that thirty thirty or
anything like that our life. But no, I very appreciative
the boys always willing to rank and give it a shot,

(01:44:06):
even on the bad days. And I'm excited to get
back into it. And also it is very appreciative of
honest with the community obviously, I know why you'll have
probably a little bit of news potentially here too about this.
But applied to the Creator Hub recently and got accepted.
So that's awesome to be a part of that. And
you know, just to be able to do that on

(01:44:27):
my own individual basis is pretty sick because again I
never thought this would be something I'd ever do. So
just again really appreciative of people that have been by
watch parties, that have been by you know, the gm
B pod stuff that we do, to the rank sessions,
the you know, the guides that I've done before, like
just everything I've been able to put out and people

(01:44:48):
have been appreciative of. Just know that, Like I said,
I really do appreciate the sport. So just very a
lot of appreciation going on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Yeah, my heart to heart this week is zombies.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
I can't stop thinking about Call of Duty zombies and
it has ruled my brain for.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Probably two weeks. If you want to hear our takes,
you can always go check out.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Pacapod with me, Jayhawk, Jumba, our Boy, Rich and Kyle
where we talk zombies. But the last map of BO
six came out, they announced BO seven, and yesterday we
had our first little glimpse of the first map of
BO seven and I can't get it out of my head. Also,
me and Jumbo released, like I said, the newest episode

(01:45:40):
of Packapod. You can go check it out on YouTube
or on Spotify. And when we released that episode, the
amount of hate comments we got has been delicious. It's
delicious and for a long time on my other show GMB,
we have a very specific guy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
His name is Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
A lot of times his takes get roasted, and I've
come to the realization that I am the Brian of Pacapod,
and I have to get ready for that life because
for so long I've been on the other side of
that life. But I'm not changing my takes on zombies
at all. The way I grew up playing it was

(01:46:20):
different than a lot of the other way people grew
up playing it. I don't put specific maps in spots
that people think I should, and I just have to
get ready for that. Because we've had I've had two
members or two commenters since we started doing the show
again that have said when he said that I instantly

(01:46:41):
am never going to listen to you guys ever again,
and like that I have to wear as a badge
of honor, Like I just have to. I just have
to accept that I am that guy now and just
be proud of it, like be grateful that I can
even have a platform for people to be like, you're
stupid guy. Yeah, I just have to be so, you

(01:47:02):
know what, my heart to heart gratefulness. I'm grateful that
somebody's like that guy's an idiot and I don't like
him at all. At least I'm there for that, you know,
at least I have that platform to do so. Because
when I put Origins at ten, I said as a
top ten map, they didn't like that it was at ten.
He said, Yeah, I'm never listening to the show ever again. Sorry,

(01:47:24):
but I appreciate that you stopped by. And then I
put the Reckoning at five. Holy shit, we also play
at five, and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
So many fucking viewers due to your takes. Yeah, I know, yeah,
I realize more.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
At least they went first.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
That's why he went first. The troubles continue, but yeah,
that's my heart to heart this week, and I'm ready
for zombies. So yeah, there we go, and ladies, and.

Speaker 7 (01:47:59):
Why not having an APEX take for his heart to heart.
You'd love to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Yeah, and listen, that's gonna do it for the show,
not just because Enot can't speak once again, but because
we've hit you guys with a banger episode and I
feel refresh.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
We're back last throw out and why I'll even say
this year, throw something maybe in at the beginning if
if there's a way to do it about uh, that community.
I did a community the other day with some of
my community and that shit was fun. And then you
guys threw it in the GMB chord and then they
hopped in and that was awesome and everyone had a blast.
And love to get the APEX community involved in that
stuff too for the pod. So join the Apex Discord

(01:48:40):
and so that you could be like in tune with
that and see when we do that stuff, because I
know we do it on GMB.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
I know we do it like through me, this and that,
like whenever we all do it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
We should just try to get as many of you
guys involved as possible, because you know it's just everyone
always has a good time in.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Those everybody every single time. So yeah, I'll put that.
I'll try.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I'll see if I can fit that in at the
front as well, and then we'll get everything ready to go.
But ladies and gents, we got our first week in
a pro league. We're super excited for it. We'll be
right back next week with another episode after our first
weekend breaking it all down, and you can hop in
here and get ready for that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
We're back, ladies and gents. We're excited to be back,
and we'll catch you guys next week for another episode
of the Apex the Podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
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