EWC Pod Series + Vein & Mclovin From NIP

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to another edition of the Apex the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ladies and Gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
EWC Sports World Cup is in the books. It is
officially done. It is officially dusted, and we're going to
go through everything here. All the boys are back in
town so we can break it down for you guys.
If you guys didn't pay attention to all of the
series throughout WC for Pool, Apool B and Last Chance qualifiers,
you go check it out. It is up there for

(00:41):
you guys to go see. And we've got some great
interviews here today. But Ladies and Gentlemen, we got to
lock in on EDWC. Congratulations to VK Gaming for winning
their first ever land as a team. It was a
long time coming and I don't think there's anybody more
fitting to take away the VK Gaming praise than Down

(01:02):
who had called them back in Los Angeles saying this team,
I think they got a lot of potential. Don How
did it feel to see VK Gaming come away with
their first victory?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I mean, I was telling Whyett before the podcast was
about to start. That was probably the most excited I've
been to be on a pod for a while, because
just having this team. You know, I've been keep an
eye on them since, uh just after LA and going
into Germany, and you know, it's being like, I think
this team that could grow and get a lot better.
And you know, we saw they got the top ten

(01:35):
in Germany, they get the top ten Japan. You know,
they come to this year too, you know, they're holding
on to the same roster. They're getting better and better.
You know, obviously the open final wasn't exactly what they wanted,
but even coming to this, you know, this tournament they
go when you know their region and you know, you
just tell the boys are frying. They were locked, and
just to see them the way they were able to

(01:56):
play out this tournament and not only you know, when
match point five final would be the team that had
the most points. At the same time, you know, we
kind of had some questions obviously about how everything went
with Go Next to Champs and kind of the discourse
that came out about that situation. It was just really
cool to see that like v K was the best
team on that day and just again be a team

(02:17):
that you know, I've been watching for a while. It's
almost just it was always just like watching like family
win bro Like, I was so excited when they ended
up winning. It was really cool to see. Also really
cool if I wasso for that that region to gain
some much needed respect for the way that they've definitely
been playing for a little bit now. And yeah, it
was just it was such an awesome moment.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I was.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I was really happy about it.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, jump, But you were there at the arena, you
were there INWC. From your perspective, I mean, we can
go through the entire tournament, I guess how you felt
like it was, but just from being inside the building
when when when VK won it, how was everybody reacting
to it down there in Saudi.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Well, the cool thing is about Chinese fans in general.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
They always show up no matter what were the events up,
there's always a big like group of like I remember
watching Birmingham and like the DF fans that were there,
and then La like there's a bunch of fans there,
and then like Japan obviously there's gonna be a lot
of fans there. Man, iim I wasn't there and last team,
if you see, there wasn't many fans in general, but

(03:19):
still like for the most part, fans always show up.
And they had a big section so like when they won, like, yeah,
they were popping off.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
They were going hard for their team. It's pretty cool
to see.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful to watch.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now let's uh, I guess we can get into like
the kind of just the big overlining storylines and different
things from this entire tournament. But once again, congratulations to
VK Gaming. It was a long time coming. They finally
get the victory. And I will say too that their
fans always show up in droves, like ever since the
since the first lane I've gone to, all the way

(03:50):
up to the most recent one I went to, which
was which was a lot Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Same thing. You always see their fans showing up, like
all the.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Jerseys that everyone's in green, like like I didn't expect
that in Saudi, but they were there.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It was nice to have a win from this region
as well, right like down I I guess you could
talk about this one a little bit too, like getting
that Apax South Wind. You've you've been saying for a
long time that you believe that they're the second best
region in Apex behind the America's region, and it just
needed to be solidified, and I feel like this win
kind of solidified that for APAX South.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, and like obviously, you know we had saw you know,
a Pax South take one before, you know, when with
Sharky and the Boys when they were still over with
uh what was it was reg Knight at the time, right, yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Oh but they didn't wait wait, sorry, what do you say?
They won?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Rig Knight one.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, but that was that was zero, that was zero Sharky.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, soul, I said, Sharky and the boys.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Oh okay, sorry, I thought you were saying like I
thought you were saying, like those two guys have.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Won, no no, yeah, so yeah, zero Sharky And then
that was when they had played with the sub right
with JMW. Thank you but but yeah, so really to
see the region though, you know, like I said, kind
of get a lot more respect, a lot more discourse
talked about them. Again. I definitely know I wasn't the
only one talking about Apax South, you know, being I

(05:19):
think what was the second best team. It's definitely I
think was brewing for a while. But like you kind
of mentioned why, this kind of helped solidify, Like, yeah,
this really is I think right now, the second best
region just based on overall you know performance from this land,
you know, kind of the things leading up to the land.
You know, you get three of the top five teams
you know in the in the final being from Apax South,

(05:40):
and just all the talent that you're seeing come from
the region. You know, we obviously had seen you know
that the players come over to the Americas, you know,
with the with zero and and wald C and Jed
Burton and Empty and you know everybody else has come
over here. But like really to see this talent that's
you know, that's been there, that's done that, you know,
the first Chinese team to win a land. You know,

(06:01):
there's just a lot of really cool things about this
in general. I mean you're even seeing you know, a
team from a from Thailand, you know, with rival Esports.
You know they i know they didn't get a top five,
but it's back to back finals for this roster if
you go back to the Open. So it just really
seems like it's not just really one team that stands
out right, like, it's a few teams that are really performing.
You know, you look at Ging, you look at WOLV Sports.

(06:23):
You know, Jing has kind of been you know, been
bruned for a while obviously, because I think with a
green stego, you know, they've they've definitely gotten better as
time goes on. But yeah, with WOLV Sports, you know,
that's definitely I think another one. I don't think people
were really expecting to be in that top five. So
just an overall, really an awesome performance Rampact South and
and hopefully again you know, they're starting to kind of
garner some some more respect from everybody in the community.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
So once again, congratulations the VK Gaming. They were your winner.
If we go through the top three here we had
VK Gaming with ninety six points, roc E Sports with
eighty seven, and Nip Ninjes in Pajamas with eighty five.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Boys, I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I want to start with the most recent interview we
had before EWC was Saucer from Rocky Sports, and they
absolutely popped off. Now I was really hoping that they
could have pulled out the w here just because we
have the connection with Saucer. We've interviewed them a few times,
so I wanted to see that happen, and they had
their chances there for a few games. They just couldn't
finish some of those things off, But what a performance

(07:21):
from a team that you would have never ever expected
at the start of the season to get a second
place out of Land and EWC.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Like, what did you guys see? I'll kick it off
with you, Enoch.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
They I don't think that if there was like a
mid season Paul on like top fives, like, who would
you have place from top five in this tournament? I
don't think that there's a single person who is involved
with APEX, including Rock themselves, who would have put themselves

(07:54):
in the top five. But dude, the amount of like
improvement that they saw of this like pro league split
and then leading up and like the way that they
played in this tournament is like unbelievable, especially considering they
picked up Saucer what like two months ago. I believe
something like that, it's just absurd. And to be able
to come out and play in like the biggest tournament

(08:17):
that they've had yet and be able to put on
such an incredible performance. Like I think what we're witnessing
and said, I've said this before about teams, but I
think that this is a team that as they get
more time together as a team and then as well
as with their coach. I think that this is a
team that very likely has the potential to submit themselves

(08:41):
as like a permanent top five n A team for
at least a year or two moving forward.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, there's plenty of potential there with with everything going
on with Rocky Sports Jumpo, what did you see from ROC?

Speaker 6 (08:56):
I think that they're really confident in themselves, like you know,
to go from regional winner, third place in the group
and then second overall. I'd argue they were the most
consistent of the entire tournament. I don't think that's like
even very difficult to like say, like, what's it going?
But the I was talking to Vax before finals is
the day of lseh or like the last Chance Lobby

(09:20):
and I needed a hot take and so like I
was literally sitting next to him for like fucking twenty
minutes and didn't realize this was sitting next to all
some like oh shit, like what did you get here?

Speaker 5 (09:28):
And so we're like just chatting. I was like, yo,
I gotta go on deest today.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
I need a hot take, like help me out, and
so he was like trying to help me brainstorm, and
like he goes, I didn't use this one, but it
was interesting.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
I did like his take.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
It's just like it was gonna be hard, so they
needed to debate with Jay and like we wanted something
that would be easy for the viewers to understand and
something we could archticulate well. But he basically was saying that,
like there's a lot of M and K players out
there right now that are heavily undervalued for what they
bring to the table. And it's like his explanation basically
was like he like himself, like at the beginning of

(09:59):
this year, that like they he like had a hard
time finding a team, and that teams were more willing
to pick up all the young like roller fraggers that
are new to the scene, like they'd picked them up
any day over himself, like he couldn't find a team whatsoever,
and that like now, you know, like they had just
finished like third in their group, they had won regional finals,

(10:22):
and he was basically saying like, like look at it
like him now, like how his team is succeeding, and
like how people were valuing valuing why I struggling said, anyways,
the five years experience, he has an apex rather than
just can you shoot straight?

Speaker 5 (10:36):
And so that's basically what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
And I mean I've thought Vax is underrated for a
very long time, like even going all the way back
to when he played with Madness on CLG. They won
a bunch of like those online tournaments in the early days,
and I'd argue Vax is the best player on that
team and carried his team back then. So yeah, you know,
shout out the boys is pretty exciting to see that
they did so well. After you know, we're having that

(10:57):
conversation he was saying, like people that believe in him,
and he goes on drops second at like what's going
to be the second biggest tournament for year five? Yeah,
and honestly, like on biggest tournament, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
And it was. It was.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's crazy too because obviously VK Gaming they're all MK.
You look at ROC, they're double MMK. They only have
one roller, and it was just it's just one of
those situations where don you had asked it to Saucer
when when we interviewed him, you had said, your shot
kind of just looks like you're on controller with your
thirty Like he was insane with his shot, and you're like,

(11:30):
do you you basically kind of like asked him a
question about like how it translates over do you think
that you know, there should be more emphasis on mmk now,
and uh, look at it. I mean like he got
sixteen kills, He tied Deeds for the lead in his
own kills backs on at fourteen. Like Jumpas said, I'm
pretty sure they were the most consistent throughout the day
with placement and with kills they were getting both the tournament. Yeah,

(11:52):
well even just on finals too, Like they were contrustingly
in like good spots all the time, always getting kills.
The funny clip that popped off from play apex e
Sports that they tweeted out where they like, fuck you Falcons,
they throw the grenades on them in the back of
the map. But man, like from your perspectived on, like,
what was it like to see ROC pop off like that?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, again, it's like we were we were talking about,
you know, throughout the tournament, like the previews we do
for the tournament everything. It's just like the storyline of
this team just kept getting better and better as times
going on. Right, you know, you've got three players that
all we're dealing with ship storm situations basically throughout the
entire split, and even coming into the split, you know,
the situation with Reps and then Sauce situation. You know,

(12:33):
everyone's just trying to figure out, you know, what team
they're even going to be on, you know, basically at
this point, and you know they're able to find Sauce,
they bring in Psycho and like it just ended up
all being a match made in heaven. And you know,
once they were able to kind of have that first
good Pro League day, it was like okay, like they
you know, they start to gain some confidence and you know,
then they go and perform like they did in the
regional final. It's like, well, shit, like why just you know,

(12:54):
why can't we translate this to land. You know, you've
got plenty of experience on land with VACX, plenty of
experience with Sauce, and I obviously D's has gotten some
experience on land as well. So like, you know, they
just came you know, they came in, they were confident,
they were ready to go the whole time, and like
we met, you know, I would agree, I think they
were the most consistent theme throughout the tournament. I think
there's a lot of stats that that backed up Outside

(13:16):
of just the placement, but you know you mentioned a
lot why you know, confidence was going to be the
key for Sauce and this team as a whole, and
you can tell I think with you know, the thirty
thirty with Chief seven, I think what it allows is,
you know, when you're hitting shots, you're feeling a little bit,
that little bit better about yourself. You know, maybe if
it's you know, that one or two percent more confidence
when you're hitting shots, I think you just tell like

(13:37):
they really were able to grow themselves into the game
and you know, get that early damage. So when they
were getting into these fights for these big situations, whether
it was taking a godspot or a huge three v
three to win the game, like they were ready to go.
I mean, you saw Sauce in that one v one
B one. That's some of the most confident fighting and
decision making I've seen Sauce make. You know, he was
telling that. I think it was Vaxcelline trying to get

(13:58):
him jobs and he's like, shut up, like just no covs.
Shut the fuck up, like and it's like, you don't
really hear that like that much from Sauce, right, A
lot of people, I think more know him for not
having the most confident colms at time. So you see
him pop off in that moment and they go win
that game, It's like, oh shit, like this team is
ready to go, Like this is the version that can
go win a land. So yeah, a lot of amazing

(14:19):
things to see for our se and uh yeah, I
think definitely one of the best storylines we saw throughout
the entire split.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Sous had a cool interesting dream too, because he like
I mean, like you guys just had him on the
interview recently, but like again, like I know that he
fought pretty hard to like get on a team and
like was like kind of tier two for a really
long time, and then like I think it was just
a literally about to quit and then finally found himself
like that he'd always bounce between tier two tier one,
tier two, tier one, and I think he's about to quit,

(14:47):
and then he finally like got himself a Tier one
team with Noddy and Shuby and then you know, luckily,
look at what happened.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Now, look when the keys bounced around after.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
So yeah, no, it's what you can say, you know,
I was just gonna easily like the hardest bounce back.
I think the hardest and fastest. Like we've seen players
like be on good teams and then roster mixed shuffles
around and they eventually end up finding like fire again
with a different team later on. But I don't, at

(15:19):
least I can't remember a time where we've seen a
player get dropped and then go from being dropped to
then the second best team. I mean, and I believe
that they were leading for the majority of the of
the tournament.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
They were in the first first team to hit it.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
They were gapping second place by like at least twenty
points I believe at one point. Yeah, and like to
go from like being dropped to then having such a
dominant performance, especially as the IGL, I think is something
that we haven't seen from an individual in APEX maybe ever,

(15:59):
and if not ever, at least for like a fairly
long time that I don't remember the last time we've
seen somebody like have that quick of a bounce back.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
And I'll chime in just real quick too, like Sauce
gets what was a sixth place LA right, like everyone
feels like that's kind of the startup of like, oh,
this Cloud nine roster is looking really good. They're starting
to build something, and then they go to Germany, have
a pretty midland. They go to Champs, don't make finals,
they go to the Open, don't make finals, and then
he gets dropped and then all of a sudden, you

(16:28):
see joins Roc. Outside of that bad first pro league day,
they then win the next one after being terrible the
day before, and then the Slovas surely build themselves up
into getting second at this land. Like Enoch's right, like
to go from where he was just barely over a
year ago to then going all the way basically to
the bottom and then back up to the top. I mean,
it's it's insane, like it's it's such a good story

(16:49):
of resilience and just you know, as much as best
he could, being confidence in his ability to find the
right situation, and he eventually did, and yeah, awesome sort
of see you.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
I would actually even shout out, like we're saying this
Vain is on a crazy run too, right, how like
quitting like like like he went from like third, then
like struggled, quit, came back and Bro's just on like
a fucking run ever since he came back.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
The oxygen.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
No that was I was gonna bring up that one
next Jumbo, because I feel like this top five, or
at least for those two teams specifically, was just a
story of redemption, like a lot of trials and tribulations
finally getting the place where you want to be. And
obviously n IP wanted to win this thing, but they
once again were another team that throughout this tournament just
looked really good from start to finish. And this one

(17:41):
was weird because there was a lot of question marks
with n IP because you did have that little bit
of a lull where Vain, you know, kind of took
a step back and struggled a little bit, maybe thought
about retiring, comes back, and with this roster man, like
after the open, they really locked it in and they
locked it down and they showed it and final in
the the tournament, I was I was hesitant to like

(18:02):
fully like go into believing in NIP.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Just till I saw something.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
But they showed me enough, uh in this tournament to
make it make me believe and uh make me a
big fan of of them moving forward, because it was
it was awesome to see they they had they still
have a little bit of that, like you know, they'll
have like one of those weird random games where they're
down in the doul drums. But them and ro Oc
we're both getting the craziest rotates I've ever seen and

(18:27):
getting into spots that I don't understand how they were
able to get into in some of them. But uh,
I guess to talk about NIP a little bit, I
mean bringing Kerra van Man absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Well he's done since he's joined that squad.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
I mean like we're talking about like players being on
m MK and like still just popping off, like that's
another team like where it's I'm pretty sure Vain.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
No no no is Vain no Roller. No Vain's mkay.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
No Vain's m mkay, right, Varin is very much.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Mkay. So like that's another Like this this whole tournament
was because actually, if we think about it, there's no
way Wolves Esports was like all rollers. Like I feel
like typically a PAC teams are MKA and same with
jen G. We just had like an MK dominated Like
if I don't know, I'll have to like look up
into those other teams. But yeah, like CURB, it was

(19:19):
like they all played insane, like someone who was Vicky
and Jamerson and they like they looked at me like
right before finals started, and they're like, who's the fragger
on NIP.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
I was like, well, I'm like.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
Technically McLevin, I guess because he's like the roller player.
I'm like, but Kurv is gonna like shoot out damn
and like I think Curve I can't remember the stats
on the Kura was like pretty close in Pro League,
Like you can play with him the whole time, but
he's pretty close in Pro League and kills.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Other than them.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Like, so I would really say like they have like,
uh distinct fragg arts, like you talked to a lot
of pros like if you asked them ever, like, oh,
what's the roles in your team? Like, we don't, we
don't have those roles they have, Like yeah, some characters,
some players are gonna play more support roles. Like if
you look at like Falcons, like Waltz, he's always on
the support roles. Does that mean Waltsy can't frag out? No,
he led lands in like kills before, right, It's just

(20:07):
how is like that guy? So like that's what they
have him do. But there's really no set fragger for
some teams, and that's what I've ut with NIP.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, so when we go through the rest of the tournament.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Here the teams that were able to make match point,
we had vk R O C, Ninja's and Pajamas, Jen
G Wolves, Sports Falcons, one hundred Thieves, and Team Nemesis
which I did want to bring up Team Nemesis as
well too. They were the old knock to me Esports roster.
They kind of made it it on the last chance
right there at the bottom. But they once again they
get into match point situation once again and they played well,

(20:41):
I believe in their last tournament too. So that's another
team that's up and coming from the EU region. There's
a lot of other different storylines here, but Jumbo, was
there a game in specific that you kind of remember
the most from that finals that stood out to you.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
When fucking Dexter hit the no scope to save fucking
match point. There's a there's a there there is a
clip of all our reactions. I'll see if I could
get it from Glitter and we'll toss it in the thing.
But like we were watching and she was she was
filming for like Lenovo and stuff like that, and I
think she want to get our match point, like when

(21:16):
reaction and then we're just like all sitting and I
think I like glance at the map, which was a
bad idea because our map was a little bit like
a second or two ahead, but like glance at the
map and all I hear another corner of my like
I just hear every go oh fuck, like look to
the right and like it just s it's this no
scope and we're like all going insane after because like

(21:37):
we're like, oh n I p one. Like the entire
time we're sitting there just going, oh my god. They
win it and then like we see falcons rotate behind them,
like falcons win it, like their falcons just kill them.
And then fucking Dexter. No, there's Craber's fucking zero which
or maybe it was how which disallows how to push
when they had freaking ballistic all so they get stuck

(21:58):
of the thing.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
And they get into bad bastion. They're like, okay, n
Ip just like fucking free win.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Because no way Wolves is gonna win from the bottom,
and the Dexter comes in with his no scope and just
ruins their dreams.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
It was absolutely insane game.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
If I if I had to pick when, it would
have to be the final game because I can.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
The final game was crazy too, dude. I feel like
I was blacking out in the final game. Like, honestly,
I saw those clips of fucking QQ and everything that
I was like.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
When did that happen? I don't remember that I was
blocking out in the final game.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I will never be able to prove this, obviously, because
we can't go back in time. But I have a
feeling and me and Don talked about this a little bit.
If Wolves doesn't get the revive off, I think.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Sentinels, Sentinels win.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
No, So like I talked to yeah whatever, yeah, name ten.
I talked to Vicky after and because like again, like
I was blacking out, and I was like, how did
Sentinels die?

Speaker 5 (22:47):
I'm like also too, I'll just say it right here.
The observers are trash.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
We all know that.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Everyone said it online. We'll get into that later.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
It was crazy how bad the observers were.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
No, no, no, crazy one.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I will never forgive them for.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
So anyways, but aside from that, so like I feel
like I didn't see what happened. And then I'm like,
so I was talking to Vicky. I was like, okay,
like help me, like recoup this right here. I was like,
when Wolves dropped out on that ReVibe, like, do they
drop on central Ship? Yeah, they drop on Sentinels. They
shoot them in the back like VK Gaming jumped to
the other side. It allows like VK to just turn

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around a fire at Sentinels. Sentinels go down and like
that's it. And I was like, if it's like they
don't get that fucking revive off because they were down
to a solo, we got freaking g again hiding in
the corner with the craber.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
I'm like he's gonna do it again. But as he
was on match point, I'm like, Sentinels win that. I
think they do because they I don't know, Like the
only reason also too why they didn't drop on VK
is because they had the rampart Wolves.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think Sentinels win.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, And if they win that, they ended on forty points, right.
If they win that and get some of the KP involved,
they might have been off match point by maybe a
point or two, or maybe even on match point, which
would have been crazy for how their first their first
day went in this tournament.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
But do we think that a lack of sweet to
just cause a crazy upset, like is the reason that
we didn't go double digits. That could be you know what,
I like, Let's Sweet's always the one who just like
when you want, when the tournament's about to end, he
doesn't make an end like you know. I'm just saying
I saw him say, and he's made without him.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
I don't agree with that.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
But do I say match Point didn't have a crazy
fucking upset?

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Yes, I will agree on that.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Maybe we saw the open, we saw this one. I
mean that's back to back ones.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I mean the.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Only I guess there was kind of an upset, but
it was by VK because even in that final game,
I thought NIP was winning again. They had so much
space and VK absolutely slammed them, just came out of
nowhere and took.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
So Jay called the zone from like literally zone one.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
I don't even know if he saw his zone two yet,
and he literally said this was a game that so
this is a game that uh I think he said
Gaming Gladiators won in the open, like he called it
like right away it was the exact zone and everything
like that, and he I'm.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Trying to think maybe he maybe it was Japan. Yeah,
I think it was Japan.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
He said it was his own from because the thing
was is he's like n IP were playing the spot
the gaming Goutiers had won from. He goes, but the
problem is is that like that spot requires you to
have like Newcastle rampart to be able to win, and
so no one was playing.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
They weren't playing that. So he kind of also called the.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
NIP he was gonna get slammed and die if they
didn't find a way to like you know, play a
different spot before that that game winning spot. So assuming
he called that ship, I was like, I'm just gonna
sit here and listen to you bro.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So many memorable games though to I mean, earlier, don
you mentioned the saucer one v one v one?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
What a beautiful moment that is, Like, dude, that she
was so funny.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
The one one was funny, but like like the whole
like way that it unfolds where it's like we were
looking at I think it was rock and we're like, well,
how are they gonna get up from the low ground
and they're like, okay, they got altered. They altered Q
up and then the team they pushed the team off
fight and that team drops down and then they alter
q up behind, and then the other team comes wraps
around and alter ques up behind, and they're like fucking
playing ring around the rosie altered quing up behind each other.

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And then I don't know how like Jen g was
the team of like just me being like.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
But how did that happen?

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Because like two went down and where everyone's like it's
a solo, Like wait a minute, that guy's alive again.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
When did that happen?

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Like when did that happen? And then like he's still
fighting and then like fucking Saucer wraps around again and
then he wins the fight.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, there's like a legit time where it felt like
all three of the teams involved, they're like, oh, they're
gonna win. No, wait, they're gonna win, and it just
it just they just kept.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Wrapping and it was just like how is this? Like
why is also no one just watching the back?

Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Honestly, I'd like to congratulate Fanatic for getting top ten.
I'd like to congratulate the boys. That was a good,
good job from them. I want to they really played
hard for Star to finish in this tournament, and.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
I threatened them to podcast twentieth.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
And you know.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
When when I pick a team, typically they tend to
do pretty well. So for them to get top ten
means the world to me. So I can continue this
hot Street going.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
Why did you Why did you say? Was there something
like you wanted fanatic to lose? Something like that happened?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, I just picked.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I told Donnie on this on this show, I was like,
I have I think I got fanatic.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Now I will say this, huh.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
But why after you did shopify, why did you even
put out a prediction?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, you have to put out a prediction. I can't
just not put out a prediction. I can't just not
do it. You know, we've been predicting every land since
the start of the show.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I have to.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
And even though I felt bad when I said it,
I was like, I got to pick somebody. I was
looking at the table. I was like, they stand out
to me. He looked at the table for.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Like two or three minutes. You could tell it it
was on his mind. But he's about to tell you
though there was somebody else he was about to do.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
This.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Tell me, tell me and tell me witnessed this.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
No, after we ended the pod, I was like, Donnie,
there was a team I wanted to say so bad,
but I didn't want to chalk their chances.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
And he goes, who was it? And I go, N
I P.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So in the in my real head, I had N
I P. And they did get third, but I couldn't
vocalize it. I couldn't say it out loud. I had
people walked away.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
Why did you feel like that? If you're if you're
the oracle, why did you feel that way?

Speaker 6 (28:38):
Why?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Hey, baby, baby got tenth? All right, we're working our
way up to the leaderboard. It'll come its way eventually.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
When I saw when I saw, where did you take
that picture?

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Why with you with the microphone?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So where is that is? I grab my banner picture.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Back in the early days of GMB, I got like
a nice camera and uh, one when one of the
girls was there while we were recording a show and
I was like, just take some action shots of us
just recording this podcast, and she got that picture of me.
I found it and then uh, I could see the
writing on the walls with Shopify pretty early. So as

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we're doing the watch party and Last Chance, Donnie's like
watch partying, I'm in there. I mute it up and
I just started making this graphic because I knew they
were fucked, but first of all, they were not playing well.
Second of all, I picked them to win the whole tournament,
so they probably weren't going anywhere. And so when I
made the tweet, it was just me in the background,
just making it while Donnie was was entertaining the watch

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on his Twitter.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
When I saw that, and it just says Shopify is
winning it all.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
He's the kiss of death.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
I was in bed, just like laughing.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, it would have been one in the morning for me.
And I was just fucking.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Cackling the amount of tweets I was getting, And it was.
It was for every team I've ever said anything positive about.
When when vertis Pro was doing bad, I was getting tweets,
When Sentinels was doing bad, I was getting tweets, when uh,
when Fanatic was doing bad tweets, and any shop if
I was doing bad tweets, I was getting tweets all
the time. But you know, I just I'm gonna have predictions.

(30:16):
I gotta keep doing them, and I apologize to the
team I pick, but I just gotta do it. I
gotta do it, and I'm not going to pull this anymore.
In the future, I should have said an I P
I held back. I just gotta let it fly. I
gotta let it fly.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
From now on.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
What you're saying is you hate an I P no
love I like them at The problem is I don't know.
I don't know if I will be able to hold
the curse back, but maybe they're just good enough to
beat it.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Right they got.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Talk to Sauce. You talk to Sauce.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
You talk to Sauce, I did. I did talk to Sauce.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Now, boys, I feel like it wouldn't be a full
analysis breakdown of the finals if we didn't talk about
the two juggernat in the lobby, Falcons and Alliance. Uh,
they did not have their greatest day, at least for Alliance.
I would say they didn't have their greatest day. They
weren't able to get I.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
Think Falcons, I'm not giving them credit for sixth place.
That team is supposed to be a top three team always.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I thought you'd give him some credit.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
No, not one fucking bit.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Not after those guys railed me for a fucking week
about how they're the geniuses, smartest players in the world,
and because I called them that, they got they had
an easy game that they won, so like, no, when
they get six, I don't I think that the their
standards are first or second, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
These hell fans are about to absolute below up the comments.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
No no, no, they can't win with Falcons.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
No no, no, no no no, no, no no no listen, listen.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
I will say, How was the only one who wasn't
a devout there, like that guy was fine.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But yeah, now, dude, Hall even had a moment before
the tournament started, like on or on finals day, not
the tournament. On finals day, there's like a camera shot
he's just hugging Waltzy just like you know, he's just
being like a good teammate. And I was like, dude, this,
how like would not be in this position three years ago? Bro,
this how was yelling at everybody, you know he was.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
I think he's always been like that. I think he's no. No,
I'm saying the.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Last interview he had said he's like really working on
understanding that there's a person on the other side of that,
and I think it's really starting to show through.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
But I feel like before the tournaments he would have
always done that because he always gassed up his teammates
he always said Evan was the best fagger in the world,
Like he always said that ship. I think just in
the moment because guess what he gave walse that hug
And I even cracked a joke and go, yeah, it
looks very cute, but we don't know what he's saying.
He's saying, hey, you better fucking yeah, you better fucking
played the best you are today. It was like, because
you're gonna fucking hear it the entire day, Like he's no, listen,

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I'll put it this way, Like with Falcons, right, it's
like as simple as this. It's like, I'm not saying
that I think they played bad, like I think that
like they played decent, but like in a match point final,
the standard for that team.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Is to win or get most points.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
So if they don't, like because they are, they're that good,
I like they a lot of those guys, And I
hope all of you are fucking listening to this. I'll
say this right now because a lot of those guys
think that I, Oh, you're saying that Alliance is the
best team all the time of all time right now,
And you know what, I do think that Alliance is
up there, but I think that it's literally Alliance and
Falcons and then everyone else is like a gap below.
So like, yes, when you're coming in sixth place, when

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I think that you are like a top two team
in the world, and still to this day, I think
that they are the top two teams of the world,
the best two at this moment, and you're not getting
fucking first or second and you're like getting dominated by
all these other teams. No, I think that that's like
it's not the finals that.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You should be proud of.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, you should, like, but like that's always gonna happen
when you got two guys that have won five Lands
on the team, Like it's just that's just what's gonna happen,
like unfortunately, like your standard just a win or comes second,
and if not, I'm sure even them they'd say, yeah,
it was like a failure of a land.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And then as far as Alliance goes, I saw some
tweets coming out from the team talking about where where
they feel like things went wrong. I they they did
play a lot of edge in this tournament, and I
felt like the zones they were getting were just so shit,
Like there was a lot of tough zones for them
to play, and they just really couldn't get into areas
that they wanted to get to.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
But I mean, I'm just gonna say one more time,
zero privacy.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
If you're listening, I think you guys are the best
team in the world.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Said they don't. They don't, they'll know if they're listening.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I think you're.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
One of the best. I'm not saying the best, one
of the best.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, they have a standard. They want to reach that standard.
But yeah, so that was Falcons. I still thought too.
I guess before we get to Alliance here, I said
on the broadcast too, and when we were watching Falcons
when Falcons started off, because they I don't think they
started off the way they really wanted to with the
with the seventeenth and the nineteenth, But when they started

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to come back and when they hit match point, I
was like, you you have to be shitting your pants
if you're any of the teams in front of them,
who who got match point before them, because now you're like,
oh my god, Like they started off bad, we got
a good head start, and we still let them get
to the match point and didn't close this thing out,
and they had opportunities to do. So we talked about
a few of those games, like Rock also had a

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few that I really thought they should have won in
that situation where they were on match point two. So yeah, Falcons,
should they strike the fear into you, because when they
do reach that match point, all it takes is just
one chance and they're gonna get it done.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
But I actually thought they would win once the match point.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, once they had match point, I was like, dude,
this is rapping exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Sure enough.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Game seven, Game seven, they probably should have won, like realistically,
like they I had a very very good rotate to
put themselves behind an Ip and like the like I
would have to I'd love to listen to their comments clearly,
but I'm sure that like they were very aware they
just had to fight and win the fight against Nip
inside like the little snake building, and if they do,

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they win the tournament. It was literally unfortunate that they
pop Bolistical and then Jen had a Kraber and Kraber
how so they have to back off and they can't
push and they lose the the ballistical and now they
have to drop to the low ground where like there's
like wolves and Iper able to look over and then
I think, I know Gen, I don't know if they

(36:08):
fly on them, but like anyways, like yeah, like it
just put them in a much more difficult position, which
if you want't even know about like some of that.
Me and Vicky were watching the map together. It was
just us to do at this time, and we're having
a whole conversation about how Liquid was very close to
the Mythic Bin, which was in the train station in
Thermal and we go, okay, so Liquid should freaking go

(36:31):
get the bin and then use that to fight Gen
who were on like that little overpass just above the
tunnel that goes out and like you go through the
tunnel or you go through the choke they're on the
other side of the mountain, and we're like they would
be able to fight through Gen G with the gear
from the Mythic Bin and then take like that choke
point right And then we've watched Liquid go for like

(36:52):
a zone wrap and I think it was and I
know not Nip. I don't remember who was on the
other side, but like they're just gonna run into them
die Nov but they were just gonna run to NAV
and die and they literally they come out of the
zone and NOVI just shreds them and we're like, Okay,
no one's gonna get this.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Mythic but down.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
But then we're looking and jen g gets the mythic
bin for free, and then that graver was the deciding
factor of that game that stopped Falcons and an IP
from winning the game there. I think Falcons win if
they if they don't have that graber.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
You don't think NIP takes it like you you think
NIP loses that that that three v three.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Falcons would have been geared up more coming from where
they were coming from and IP were in the building
like they I'm not saying like like they're I'm not
saying that they wouldn't have.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Won the fight.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah, they had caustics, so like there was that that
they were able to defend the building and everything. But
I just I think that Falcons would have had a
few legs up in like positional advantage and everything like
that to win the fight there. Obviously is like Falcons
if they're on the outside of the building, could have
got shot in the back. But I think they were
even doing pretty big damage to an IP that they
found openings. I just I think Falcons win the three

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v three just because of like where their position, their
gear and everything like that.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
But like obviously you don't know exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
It's like a pople in red shields versus all blue, right,
because I think it happened.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I didn't even know they.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I think at least one or two members were on blue.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
For n I P and I PEO would have been blue.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
I didn't know if, like like Falcons had even had
a red but like, yeah, just from that position, I
think Falcons been I guess I'll put it this way.
Whoever wins at three v three is winning the tournament.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
On that game.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, uh so getting over to a two alliance
here moving away from Falcons, Like I said, they they
talked about how it was just a bad day to
play edge. They were playing edge most of the most
of the finals, if not all of it, and they
were just getting some really bad zones. It was tough
on some of those to try and get into the
areas that they wanted to get into.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
It just wasn't their day.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
They still had a very good tournament overall, I would say,
just from some of the points that they were able
to like amass in their pool play and just like
how impressive that was, and some of the moments that
came out of that absolutely insane. So uh, it was overall,
you could say that it was okay for Alliance, but
they definitely wanted to at least get match point and
they just didn't get it on this one down. Did

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you see anything else from Alliance that was kind of
holding them back?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I honestly think a factor that I'm not sure if
too many people will talk about, but I did want
to bring up just to get your guys' thoughts, is
you know, they were on twenty one points after three games,
which is definitely not a bad spot by any means.
You know, it's a decent pace, you know, to start with.
But then they get over to Stormpoint, which they're one
of the better performing teams on Stormpoint. You know, they

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typically get tried it in North pat to themselves and
you know they run into VP, and I just feel
like we've seen now a couple of times where Alliance
they obviously want to, you know, continue to kind of
establish that area as they're part of the map. You know,
whether they play regionally or internationally, we just look at it.
You get into that game for yeah, they get the

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three kills in the VP, but then they get thirdy
and they die right away. And then you get into
the next game after that, and they stall out so
long trying to worry about the site VP, and they
eventually get six kills, but they die in seventeenth. And
I just really feel like, you know, if they potentially
run into the situation again on the international stage, because
I don't think any Ambia team is gonna really take that,

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and if they do, like you know, they treat Pro
League a lot different obtusly than the land right, so
like I always think Alliance is gonna be fineder in
Pro League, but I just feel like internationally, I really
do wonder if they're going to look at if they
do get contested again, do they still run it back
the same way, because we've seen it now when Fanatic
was there before both you know, both of those teams
went down to loser's bracket. We see now with this

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And I'm not obviously gonna say that's the only factor,
because obviously there's so much that goes on during these games,
But I really do wonder if they're going to take
a look at that in the future if they do
get contested like that with a North pat Trident. If
they do decide to play it differently, I'll be honest,
my guess is no, because they've had a couple of
times now where they've run into this. But I am
very curious, you know, just to kind of be the

(40:54):
devil's advocate of this situation, like if they maybe play
this differently, if they decided to maybe wrote a little
bit quicker, you know, what does that ultimately look like,
you know, with you know, with that thing, because I
really just do, like I really do feel that that
really slowed their their pace and this lobby down to
the point that when he got to game six and
they still weren't on a match point, like it was

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going to take a lot for them to climb their
way up the leader board when so many other teams
are already gained the match point. So I'm curious if
they feel like that's a factor, because at least for me,
like I definitely think that that had a pretty big
effect on their day.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
No, yeah, I think that's actually a really solid point
for for something like that because it can drastically change it,
and it did change it for them moving forward, So
super interesting there, But yeah, so that was Alliance, that
was Falcons. Those were the two teams that a lot
of people would expect to have won. Obviously, Falcons gets
on the match point, Alliance they don't make it in

(41:50):
there quite yet they get tenth overall in the finals lobby.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But other than that, I feel like the final.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
You asked me before, I was just gonna quickly say,
if you asked me before finals, like, oh, what's your
predictions for today, I would have like said to anyone,
if Falcons and Alliance don't run away with this, like
we might get like a lot of games.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
But like my big thing was I thought Falcons Allions
are gonna run away with it.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Agree, And honestly, I think just both teams just you're
always gonna just have like a bad day. It happens,
and like I think both teams are still like as
true caliber. Like I mean, we got six months before
next land, but if we had like our next lane
two three months, so long, so long, I still I
so like, we'll see what happens in like six months time.
But like if you if we had a land in

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two three months and I had to make it to
your list, I still was probably putting them as the top.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Two teams six.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I gotta say too, because I think it's a topic
that's definitely gonna that's gonna come up as we enter
the roster mania period. I think it'd be good something
for us to debate real quick, is do we see
falcons make a change? Because I know that's a question
that a lot of people are going to bring up again. I,
you know, have an opinion on it, but I'm curious
what you guys think with that situation.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
I I going into the tournament, I would have told
you yes, but after the tournament, for some reason, I
was feeling no.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I lean yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if if
everything stayed put, which I feel like is such a
plussy answer, but.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Like, okay, let me, let me.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Let me try and like give you some of my thoughts.
Like what because I thought of this a bunch, Zero
says all he wants to do is like you wanted
to play with Zainu and KOI right now, I don't
even know if ZiU and I want to play with
Zero right Like I've heard rumors and inklings that like
in the past, like Zero actually not even like I've
heard Zero say literally on stream, like when he was
watching my video way in the past about Koy that
he tried to get Cooy Koi, I think didn't want

(43:40):
to play with Zero, right, So I don't know if
in that time something would have changed. This is back
when he was on X set, so I don't know
if anything in that time would have change. Like he
also had like a run with Zinu, and like they're
not playing together either, so I don't even know if
those guys want to play with them. But even if
they did after this tournament, does Zero want to play
with Zaiinu and Koi? I don't know, right, Like they

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just had like a not so great tournament and everything
like that. So there's that, And then like you know,
if Zero left and like want to go find other people.
If it's not Zign and Cooy, how are you getting
very much better than Hal and Waltz And like, yeah,
the screaming, like you know, like is the big thing,
like the arguing that happens, But like Zero's not gonna

(44:21):
change no matter where he goes, and anyone he goes
is probably gonna have problems dealing with that I think
how probably is like one of the best people to
put up with that, So like you're not gonna find
I think any better, right because hal did it himself.
Waltsey's the only person who I think, like maybe might
not really be fond of it, like we saw like
what happened right before the tournament. So maybe waltse leaves

(44:44):
and they find a third. That's maybe the only likely thing.
I'll tell you, how is keeping Falcons. I'd assume I
don't know, like I don't have anything that told me.
I would just assume that's just why.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Like the spot, I thought if there would be a change,
it would stay zero how and and then the only
player they would swap out would be Waltzy.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
That was what I what I was assuming.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
Grab Zero want to play with Walty for so long
before he packed up, before he picked up Zi nuw
he was trying to get Waltzy and Walty didn't come over,
and I know that maybe like you know, like it
seems like the grass is green or once like you
play with him, like maybe it's like, Okay, this wasn't
what we thought it would be.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I guess, like you know, the.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
Energy might be splitting so maybe they grab someone like
Sykes who's already played Zero knows how to handle him
as well.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
You know, I don't know, so maybe I guess, like
you could be right there.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
That was the only way I thought of it.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I didn't I didn't think of I didn't even know
that he had said that he wanted to play with
ziknuw and Koy, so I didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I didn't know that that was a possibility as well.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
So yeah, I mean, I I guess if I had
to make a prediction, so this is not going to happen,
I just figured Waltzy would go back on his own
and then uh, they would bring somebody else and that's
what I thought, and it would stay Hal and Zero.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, I mean I think that really. The only certainty,
like Jumpa mentioned, is like I do think how it's
going to be obviously on Falcons, like there's just too
much you know, stuff outside of Apex even you know
that I don't really see that relationship breaking up. But
I really think the trigger point for this roster mania
is going to be is as if SR does drop empty.
I think that is where we'll see a lot of

(46:21):
pieces move. You know, we've obviously already seen. You know,
Madness is leaving Furia. You know we're gonna see it. It
sounds like knocked and key on youers stay together from
but at least i've seen right now and then we've
obviously seen Talmage is is looking for a team right
now as a coach.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
So that's another good one though. So if SR drops MT,
who do you go get? Rights more success.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
And the biggest factor with all this too, you know
that we got to keep in mind it's not only
the gelling of the rosters, but chaance points are now
kept by individuals. So instead of you know, hey, I'm
only going to look for the best player, it's like, well,
if you're Falcons, you basically have have a number one seed.
Essentially you locked right now four champs. Are you really
gonna throw that?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You know?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Because we know how much they want to be number
one at everything, right, We've mentioned that multiple times, So
like do they look at it and say, you know, hey,
our number one seed is more important, let's just run
it for champs or do they say, hey, in order
for us to win Champs, we have to make a change.
We don't care what super at. So that's gonna be
very interesting. But yeah, like you're like you're starting to say,
like the empty situations could be very interesting to see

(47:25):
if Shopify does make a move and who do they
go get. I mean, it really seems like the only
fit in that situation that's really gonna makes sense would
be either zero be in the I g L there
or if steps up to I g L and they
find a third.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Yeah, you don't think you don't think maddness joins up
to form the shortest roster.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Is tall?

Speaker 8 (47:50):
What you talking about?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Like like Wyatt in there?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
I why yeah? Why?

Speaker 5 (48:08):
How much Champs points?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
You got?

Speaker 6 (48:09):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Not a whole lot? Right now?

Speaker 7 (48:12):
The Champs points thing is actually going to be. It's
such a big difference maker because all of the teams
that are like LF one ing, they basically can only
be looking at players who have a substantial amount of
Champs points, because nobody is going to be in a
position where okay, we're we're looking like we're basically set

(48:33):
to quall for Champs and then pick up a player
who has substantially less chance points Champs points and then
put them in a spot where they may or may
not make it just because they want to play with somebody.
So all of these teams have a much much limited
layer pool to choose from that they might appear to
be to the average person.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
They basically have to recycle whoever's got a lot of points.
The only team that has like the luxury of doing
whatever they want is is Energy. If Sikes and Guild
stay together and they've put Timmy on a sub because
like it will take sub points.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
So Timmy's got here.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
One thousand, oh yeah, one thousand and forty points, and
they can go, like get someone who like doesn't have
a lot of points but they think is a good
I gel and slot them in there. Yeah, and like
they'll keep Timmy's points.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, because for those who don't know, it's not the
three active players necessarily, it's of you know, the three
players plus their sub whoever has the most points, like
the top three earning point play. So like again, if
Timmy goes to the sub role, they can basically bring
anybody they want. The points that are going to count
for Energy spot are going to be Sykes, Guild, and Timmy,
even if Timmy's not playing, as long as he's listed

(49:45):
as a sub on the rocks and left, that's what
Jump That's what Jumpo was getting at.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
You think Guild goes plays with Sikes and Sikes in
an empty Sorry? Sorry, you think Empty goes to play
with the Sikes and Guild.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
That was something that I had thrown out. I was
very curious to see if that is the direction that
he decays to go, because I think that would be
a decent fit there. But it, Yeah, it's gonna be
It's gonna be a weird.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
All those guys are on my flight, they were.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I mean, why didn't you just get the info there?

Speaker 8 (50:16):
Then come on?

Speaker 5 (50:19):
I was like, Don was right behind me, and I've
been like, so Don was.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Going on there.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
What I do like about this, though, is the fact
that the Champs points do kind of handcuff some of
these teams and kind of forces them to be like, hey,
you you just got to play this thing out now.
I do have a question though, that I feel like
you guys should be able to answer, which is how
much does this split two Pro league matter in terms
of chance points? Like, like, where are you going to
get the Champs points from? Does it matter at all?

Speaker 6 (50:45):
So it's like you get five hundred points for winning,
Like I think winning also auto calls you, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, that's the only thing that gets you points. Nothing
else gets you chanced.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
No, no, no, everything else does.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
But it's like it's not enough to like really make
more of a difference, Like it would literally be like
so I'm looking at the points right now, and like
VP are in twenty fifth, which is just outside of
the Champs Quaal spot, and TSM is in twenty fourth,
So like, like I guess like there could be like
small little jumps right there if like TSM does bad,
VP does good, Like there could be something like that.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
But for example, I'm sorry to put them on blast.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
But like our boy Burke with Fusion who was in
both lands and like pro league, but they didn't like
have the highest placements at all, Like they could get
second in this pro league and.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
It does not matter.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
There will no points.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
So they basically just have to your your only chance
is winning in it, like they have to win or
they have.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
To win regional final.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, So for this split, what's a little bit different
is that not only does the regional final winners for
each resion qualify, but the team that has the most
points during the pro league also qualify. Obviously, if that's
the same team, then you know, an extra slot will
go towards like the overall champs points because then that's
like twenty four more spots is coming straight form Chance points.

(52:01):
Obviously those spots will you know, plus or minus just
depending on you know, if there's repeat teams or whatever.
But yeah, it's a little bit of a different wrinkle
that we're to have potentially eight teams from Pro League
result and then twenty four teams from Chance points. Because
you got to keep in mind, there's a the LCQ
is still thing, so there's gonna be eight teams coming
from l CQ, two for each region. So there's, yeah,

(52:22):
there's a lot of factors. But like we mentioned, like
we're gonna be really looking at more of like spots
twenty three through thirty two versus like anything like higher
than that, just because of you know, again, the maxim
you can get is five hundred, where you know, five
hundred is how many points on a land like that's
like tenth, eleventh, twelfth, Like it's you get a pretty
decent amount of Chamans points from yeah, where you finish

(52:45):
at land versus in Pro League.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Like Tempo tweeted it out that like teams with under
eight hundred and fifty points need to win, yeah, split
two to like qualify.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
That was a grenadive a tweet because he literally said,
this is a projected cut off. These are the teams,
and he's basically like half fun and roster in Madia.
So I'm see all these teams on the calculator just
adding stuff up, bro, just being like, hey, if we
get that guy, that's like two hundred more points to
our team. So like it's.

Speaker 6 (53:13):
Straight up sure is like a bomb right now, like
has eleven hundred points, like right, and he has eleven
hundred points and he does not have a team. Yeah,
so like that guy is literally just gonna like fucking
be like LFT.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I have eleven.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Throw the bank at him to keep like, hey take
all of the dollars.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
So you say, bro, they're they're in twenty ninth right now.
Without him, like they they'll drop so far down. So
it's just like, hey, I'll have key, I'll get like.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Literally if you want to like Japan, like well, I
was just about to say to So this really makes
it to where guys who are already dropping the LFT
like maybe they haven't fully got this through, you know,
I'll be so you can't control some of the decision making,
Like I think madnessaid it wasn't his decision, so that's
like not you. But like in this, in this process,

(54:07):
like it's gonna be really hard because if you can't
find a team that has enough points realistically, and if
you're not at that cutoff point, do you join a
team below that cutoff point, you're basically having to just
hail mary this thing out a certain point. Do you
just say, let me just try and get this thing
through last chance qualifier?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I mean I might be completely wrong with I saying this,
but like I feel like obviously we've seen some roster
manias like not go like too crazy fast. I think
this one we could see go at a absolute stales
pace because I feel like a lot of like a
lot of players aren't going to necessarily want to make
the first like commitment unless they're like, you know, the
top you know the top players. I have a ton

(54:44):
of points already, So like we could see a very
slow moving roster mania waiting for like the first team
to blank and then everybody try to pounce on the
opportunity because would say, again, you know, if empty ends
of leaving SR, Like you're going to have everybody just
being like, oh, we're dropping this guy. We're dropping that
guy because I want empties points, right, and like when
you get empty available as in I g L, like

(55:04):
that's a situation where you're like, yeah, I want this
guy one hundred percent, not just for the points, for
how good of an I g L he is, so like.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, the only time he didn't make the finals is
when Iah.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
It's just so crazy because yeah, I'm like really looking
at this and it's like I feel like twisted minds.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
There's no way they.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Split right like enemy, Well I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Like so then like and I'm only looking at an
a like but like TSM, do they split like dup
gent panic?

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Like I feel like they can't think you should you.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Know why they would? I feel like that, I mean
like a chopping lock.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
But like yeah, like but they've been like I.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
Mean talk about like one of the stupidest decisions you
can make. Like obviously, yeah they didn't have the best
finals out of anybody, but in terms of like a
team that has a lot, like a team that has
a high ceiling, I would say TSM is one hundred
percent there and to like, yeah, pick up Panic, and
then to like because like the only the only thing
that's like and dou are not going anywhere. The only

(56:02):
swap that you could even think about making is swapping
out Panic, and I don't and that's there's no there's
no player that makes more sense, and like you've already
built You've already spent so much time building up Team Cam,
building up like your squadron Panic.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Also, yeah, so they dropped, they drop Panic, and like
they don't fucking have a spot depending on like unless
they find someone with more points than Panic. But like
because then after Oka, like VP, there's a chance maybe
VP splits, like I think, like with things being so
rocky after like the first couple of days, like I
wouldn't be surprised if they try to split. They're not
in a spot right now. The reason I'm going through

(56:38):
this is like you know, like then after like ag
all gamers, like they got twelve hundred points each skills
got seven hundred, Like if they were like split, I
don't even know, Like who would you? Because the other thing, too,
is like the players on the market right now are igls.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
It's not like Timmy dropped so like that team needs.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
An IGL uh like MT moves out and like Maybe's
new moves in. But if Zion doesn't like either way,
if empty is like not playing with them, that's an
i GL like on the market, or an igl swot
that he needs to be filled, like Madness gots dropped,
that's an i GL. I feel like it's not often
that you see like i g ls like floating around.
And then like teams that are already in like positions

(57:18):
where they're not going to change, like the last person
they're gonna change is their i g L.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Like an i P. They're not dropping.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Veins no, like like.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Well like Rock is in like ninth overall for like
chance points. They're not dropping sausage. You got second sentinels
and tenth overall for chance points. I don't think they're
dropping any of their players.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Nobody on that squads didn't drop.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, like I'm looking at this, I didn't make it.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
I'm just going through here.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
And then like if VP, for example, if VP drops someone,
they're not looking for an i GL like lose, it's
not gonna be uh, it's not gonna be Zach.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
It's not like Slayer and lou are going to pick
up Madness and zach is Straw.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I guess what could what could really make things go
crazy is if Falcons and how decides uh or like
zero how whatever they decide to split, because now you
have two I g os who have so many Champs
points that it really doesn't matter who they want to
pick up. They could really pick up whoever they wanted,
and then that could cause a ship ton of movement
in the ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
If that word they.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Can't pick up two players, I think you still need
two players to be the same on every roster to
keep your champs spot. Could they keep your league spot
to keep count?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I don't think they changed the rule this split that.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
You can coach and I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
So Hal and Walt you have to stick together Hal
zero to stick together, or Zero walts you have to
stick together to keep the Falcons pro league spot.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Either way, I think the point still applies because even
if Hal and waltsa stick together and Zero goes out,
or Zero and Watza stay together goes out, that's two
players that that that the other person's gonna have to
find that could shake everything up.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
My point is Zero can't go get grab like Jen
Burton and then like Sykes and rebuild zero DZ from
last year, Like he can't do that.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Yeah, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I'm just there's gonna be a lot of shuffling if
that were gonna be the case.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Like I said, the bombshells gonna be is if Falcons
decides to make a change and or empty leaving shopify,
Like I think that's when we see those happen, is
when I think we'll see everything else happening, because like
obviously the Timmy retirement that was already something that was
gonna happen regardless, that really was gonna an effect on anything.
And then you know respect to you know, Madness and

(59:39):
Fury and everything like that. But so many teams already
have their IDL like locked right now, and I just
don't see Madness being like an easy or great fit
for Nargy just based on like how they play and
how Madness wants to play. So right now, we're just
kind of at a standstill waiting for I think really
those bigger dominoes. It's gonna be kind of like how
you know, people are waiting for Evan like make his

(01:00:00):
decision and like Phony to make his decision, you know,
this recent roster so.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
It was just crazy because that roster mania, I felt
like I could see where everyone was going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, Like I felt like that was like that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
No, no, no, I'm not even saying that you're saying anything wrong.
I just like if like even even like after the open.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Like UH Yanya got dropped, I'm like, Okay, Yanya's leaving
and he's going back to Liquid.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
I'm like Crev's getting dropped, and then Kurv like.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
The n ip that one, Like I did it fully
like like predict but like it made sense because they
didn't want to they You're dropping Surce like Crev's hat
a ton of pl experience, like it made sense, Like
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
I felt like I was able to map it out.
Where is this one? I'm just like I got a
fucking clue.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
I feel like half these teams like it would be
in their worst interest to split.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, it probably would be, and and it would make
it much more difficult to get in. And we could
actually theoretically, if things go a specific way, we could
see a lot of really good players in the in
the LCQ trying to get into UH and make champs,
so it'll be interesting for sure. But boys, before we
move on, I guess the final thing is anything else
to wrap up this this EWC. I gotta say two

(01:01:11):
ewc's we've had in Apex Legends so far, and both
of them absolutely banged at least from watching at home
in my opinion, like both of them. I still think
my favorite one that I've watched at home was the
first EWC and this one was real a real close second.
I had a ton of fun watching both of those.
I think they've done a good job. I like the
format being different than normal. It is a little bit

(01:01:34):
less forgiving, and I could understand why pros maybe don't
like it as much. But man, is it fun having
a team get eliminated literally the first two days.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Like just seeing what happens in those is wild.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
So yeah, I also think it was like like they
got eliminated on the first day. But I also feel
like the games always, like for example, the Open, we
had teams go home the first day, but they were
kind of random team is because like there was so
many different people you'd never heard of before. Yeah, and
it was still double elimination bracket that I don't remember

(01:02:05):
seeing there going, oh my god, what's gonna happen, Who's
gonna be top ten?

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Where?

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
It's like in these games when you get to the
final couple games, you're always sitting there all the edge
your seat, like, oh my.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
God, what's gonna happen? Who's gonna make it in?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah? Where?

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Mind.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
I did miss the first day of elimination games, the
final couple of games because of post malone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Shout out posty, shout out posty, shout out to the
post malon con post conser was pretty sick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, I would just say for me for the CWC,
shout out to everybody to stop by the stream that
was sick this weekend. Shout out to WAYI and Enock
for hopping in during the weekend for the watch parties
and stuff that was sick.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Sorry. Apparently to some people that Why and I aren't
the perfect broadcasting duo. But we had a great fucking
dime regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I was no white clause and I had twenty five
pizza roles.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
My body was attacking itself. Literally, my cells were on fire.
They thought I was dying. Okay, so I apologize, so maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Maybe outside of that, but no, I had a great time.
The support was sick. I appreciate everybody from apex Pot,
apex pod fan base to the GMB fan base in between.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
It was a really fun weekend, so appreciate all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
The The only other thing I had left was the
those observers. They really they tried, and sometimes when you try,
sometimes you suck.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
You guys, did you guys hear the casters? You guys
hear the casters.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
A couple of times.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Yeah, and liquids fighting in the kill feed, This would
be a great one to watch right now, and yeah,
as we see them go down, we'll keep the jabs
on that and see if we could wrap back later
to watch how that went down.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
And then sucking wet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Teams sitting and zone with.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Wet fright out and we're going crazy, fight right out.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Oh my god, just go down, and let's watch a
replay a phony far dammit, what's it called kill farming
Golf of fucking VKG.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
It's like this, Harvo.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
I will say, those nine knocks were like hilarious because
like I started counting them out, I'm like, bro, they're
at like nine or ten.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Like they're like, we're like, why are we still watching phony?
Just like Farm Damage Farm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Every single tournament, there's fights that we see in the
kill feed. There's like every single time, and and we
we have really good observers. I feel like for the
most part, there's always gonna be a fight you miss
and something you go back and watch you're like, man,
I wish you could have seen that. The problem with
this one was that the observers would be on the
fight already and then they would still move off of it.
That was the part that blew my mind, Like those

(01:04:38):
were just one third person, it would just be like yeah,
it would just be like an action shot. And I
was like, dude, if this was a uh, you know,
National Geographics Earth documentary that was being played on Netflix
or some shit like that would be fantastic. But we're
trying to watch people fight. I'm trying to watch people
throw down. And there was one where it was like

(01:04:59):
TSM vers somebody, and it was like a one v
two or one v one. Somebody's trying to escape. I
think it was TSM. I think Panic was trying to
run his life away and just trying to survive. For TSM,
they're watching him and then it just cuts.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Just action shot and I was just like, bro, the
constant fight to third person view to fight was like
like back and usually the fight was over by the
time they was back into It was just fucking bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, it was wild.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
The Jen Burn thing, I'll never forget them for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Yeah, that was just yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I mean legitimately, both guys are about to shoot each
other to finish that fight, and then it's like, oh,
let's go watch Roc in the fucking building where they're
not doing shit.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
It's just like a whole different like with an establishing
third person shot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, every single time. Well, boys, either way, there was
some ups, there was some downs, but this EWC I
feel like was a success. Congratulations the VK Gaming. Shout
out them for getting that first win under their belt.
It's been a long time coming and they were finally
able to do so. So, boys and girls, we're gonna
send it on down to our interview with Ninja's in pajamas.

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Super super excited to talk to the boys over there.
Cannot wait. Let's hit a quick ad and send it
on down to n Ip. All Right, ladies and gentlemen,
we bring on two very special guests. One has been
on the show before one. This is the very first time,
but they are both from the same team. We've got

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Vain and we have mclovin from Ninja's in pajamas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Vain.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
It's been a while since we've talked to you, mclove
and this is our first time talking to you, but
I'll kick it off with you first.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Vain. How are you doing, my man?

Speaker 9 (01:06:36):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
It's been nice not to have allergies for like two weeks,
but yeah, it's been killing me since I got back home.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I'm in the same well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I never I didn't go to Salvage. I did not
get the break from allergies. Different boat, but same allergies. Mclovin,
your first time on the show. How are you doing,
my man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
I'm good. Yeah, jeez, have been pretty bad. They've been
better since I got back though. They were really bad
while we were in Saturday though.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
They were so you were the opposite, but you actually
had allergies and Sauda, yeah, they all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
The entire finals. I was just like coughing the entire time, really,
because a lot of uh, like the lot of the dust, like,
I'm guessing that's what I was.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
The other thing is, I think, like you're in the
venue and the ac is blasting asia freezing inside, and
then you walk out immediately into the heat, and I
know everyone was like feeling sick of every day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Every day except for the last day. It was just
so hot or cold in there. The last day, I
was like, day it was really good.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
I don't stay in the venue because I can't it's
too cool. Like I go watch with the casters.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
Yeah, me and Krev tried to watch for like, I
don't know, two minutes and we had to leave.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, so, uh, I mean, obviously this is the only
other thing we I guess we should warn the the
listeners midway through Kareb might just hop in here at
a campfire, potentially in the tent he's camping, a bear
might might be fighting a bear either, even that could
that could also happen, So just keep your eyes peeled
for that one. But boys, I wanted to kick it

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off because obviously you guys just come away from edbu
see you guys get the third place. It was a
it was a beautiful tournament for you guys, And I
think just overall, you guys were kind of like in
the driver's seat for what felt like most of the
uh obviously pool play and in finals, you guys were
doing well the entire time. I'll kick it off with
you first, Vane. Did you guys just feel like going
into this tournament you were gonna be able to have

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this kind of performance or you know, was was there
any nerves going into it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:37):
No, there wasn't really any nerves at least for me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
I mean this was like what my fifth lane at
this point, and I feel really confident this team, and
I think we all felt the same way. Like I
felt like we were the most practiced and like we
I felt like we were just the most prepared for
the meta and like how to get the most skill
points in this meta because like, uh, obviously, like you

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can win tournees by playing zone and stuff and whatnot,
but like in order to like top a group stage
or like you know, get this the third or second
like in the finals, like you need kills. And I
felt like we were just able to do that the
best or be one of the best teams to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
So and mcleven, you haven't had as much of the
land experience, but you're starting to kind of get into
that groove where you're starting to string together back to
back lands and showing up more often.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
And so when you get into like this stage here.
The Open was the Open.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
You know, there's a lot of like weird things that
happened with the Open, and it wasn't as like grand
of a stage, but this one was pretty big and
you guys showed up big.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Time on this one. Just from your perspective, how did
you feel coming into it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
I don't know. I didn't really feel like like that
nervous or like anything like that, Like I kind of
it kind of just felt like another like day of
just playing Apex honestly, Like I mean, yeah, for like
the first like couple like minutes of the game, like
first game, Yeah, Like I had a couple like nerves,
but like after like we started like doing stuff like
it went away. I was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
That was really it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
Yeah, Like even since the Open, if we went to there,
like we were talking about that, you guys finished top
ten there. Coming to Pro League, you start absolutely farming
Regional final. You guys had a great day where it
got you up to tie for first and then you
come out to the TOWC now and you guys finished third.
Since that time, you guys have been like literally one
of the most consistent teams out here, probably not the most.

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What do you think it's been between the dynamic between
you two and Korov that has helped you succeed on
this level?

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Well, I, first off, I think me and me and
Van have a really good relationship, I believe, and I
feel like we view the game kind of similar and
how we want to like play and how we want
to like execute our plans and shit like that.

Speaker 9 (01:10:56):
Yeah, yeah, I would say I would agree. I would
say we have a great relationship, and I would say
the way we view the game is like pretty like
more than similar. Like I feel like we we view
the game pretty much the same. We're always like thinking
the same way or calling the same play or you know,
et cetera. So I think, and a lot of people

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don't know this, but at LA last year, when I
was looking for like a new teammate on OHG, like
I really wanted to play with Cole or McLevin, but
we ended up taking up Frex And I told him,
like we met there for the first time, and I
told him like I wanted to play with them at
some point, and yeah, so I've wanted to play with

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him for a while because you know, I just watched
a lot of odds and I've seen his odds. I
like the way he plays. We think the same.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
So yeah, yeah, i'd even or sorry if you want
to go ahead.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
Ye I was just Chris, So, how did you guys
decide on a Curv to like fit that like third
role and go off of like the dynamic duo that
you guys have build up through your time together.

Speaker 9 (01:12:09):
Uh, Honestly, it wasn't like we kind of chose Karev
for like any particular reasons, Like we weren't looking at
him early. We were actually gonna play with Funk because
me and Funk had wanted to play to it for
a while. And then he messes me, He's like, I'm
moving to you, So I was like all right. And

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then Sykes was like on the table at the time,
and I think we were looking at it like Panic
as well, we're gonna trial Panic, so we trial Panic.
We ti Karev Sikes joins at our g so he's like, no,
I'm out, And so we played with Panic and it
was like it was like the same situation we just had,
you know, like a young kid, not very familiar with

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how like team dynamics work, like, never played sports, so
it's hard for me to like, you know, just relate
to those young kids who are up and coming right now.
I think eventually they'll be they'll be really good obviously,
but you know, I don't really want to. I would
rather team you know with you know, a more mature,

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you know person, because it's it's easier just to grow
that way as a team. And then we travel KARV
and things went really well, and I mean you couldn't
ask for like a better like person and a teammate.
So he just messed really well. That's just something like
I value over like somebody fragging me out like whatever.

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Everyone can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
So yeah, he's also kind of like the middle ground
between me and man Van as well. I feel like
he he gives us the I don't know what would
the word be, I guess like the aggressive aggressiveness we
need out of like our third player. And he also
like gives us as like just like a part kind
of when we need him to.

Speaker 9 (01:14:02):
Yeah, he definitely like pushes us to be like a
better team a lot. You know, he doesn't like he
doesn't like losing, Like he pushes us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
To be there. He's he's the type of team who like,
like actually just like wants the team to win and
they it's really good.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
I think that's really interesting because we talked about this
before in like our first half of the pod. I
was talking to vax Lon and he was talking about
how he thinks like MMK players, there's a lot of
like really experienced that MKA players that are still heavily undervalued,
and basically like Curb as an example there, like he's
been competing for a very long time. He's been to
several Land finals and everything like that, and you know

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a lot of people went for the young roller fraggers
and everything like that because it can put out damage.
But at this highest level, you guys recognize Curb's value
pick him up, and you know everyone talks about like,
you know, needing roller players on your team to like
be able to win fights and everything like that. Instead
you guys are double mm K team and you're you're
finishing top three. So I thought that was pretty cool

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as you guys are explaining that. On a separate note,
but I was curious about kind of like your come up, McLevin,
because the way I kind of was put on the
radar of you was through watching wig streams. I think
even when he used to play ranked, and I just
remember you used to just absolutely roll through them and ranked,
and he would always be like this guy mclovin is
sick and like it is gonna be up next one day.
And I feel like that was like a year and

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a half ago or something like that. Over it was
a while ago. It was before year four Apex, I'll
say that, so like yeah, like basically, how are you
like getting into competing and like you know, like it
kind of even took so long now to even compete
in your first land and not until year five.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
I would say. I mean at the start, I kind
of was just like just playing ranked. I didn't really like,
I wasn't really familiar with like all like the competitive
scenes and stuff like that, and I didn't really know
how to like get into it and stuff like that.
And then I was playing ranked with uh Dan and
Daniel back at the time LTC. That was the first
time I met PL. We didn't do too hot, but

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it was good. It was it was good for the
experience and stuff. And then after that, I, I don't know,
I kind of had like a mental mental problem. I
guess I could say I used to be kind of
I would get heated a good bet and I had
to step back for a little while and just like
think about all that. And I came back and joined

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EC with h Carter and Cose and like the last
three or four weeks of I can't remember which pel
it was, but we had really good days and it
went really well. And then after that I joined Native
and we weren't doing so well. So I decided to
kind of just take a break because the Newcastle give

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Me meta would have been it would have tanked me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
I would have been gone forever if I would have
played that meta. And then POQ came up and I
saw the opening stuff and about EWC and everything, and
I kind of just messaged Van, just asked him if
he wanted to play for fun go to the open.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
And now we're here, that's fine, that's absolutely insane. But
how did you guys have been? Dude?

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
I remember vividly your first tourney coming into the onto,
like the CCE, because it was like your first one
that you guys plays first.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Right, Yeah, I joined. I joined. I joined that Wednesday,
and I jailed them to the winning that I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I was like, that is just so baling, like just
so baler.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
So you you mentioned a little bit about like taking
a break and different stuff like that, needing to take
a step back when you did that, was it just
purely out of the fact that, like, this game is
pissing me off right now, or you're like, I'm going
to work on some other things as well so I
can come back like a little bit a little bit
stronger for when I do feel like I'm ready to
get back into APEX.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Yeah, I mean I feel like it was more of
like kind of kind of both like the game was
kind of pissing me off, but it was also just
like me, like as I was when I was younger,
I could momentos bad and I realized I needed to
fix it, and I fixed it. It took time, of course,
but I did that, and then I started playing a

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lot more, started playing R five just every day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Getting locked in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
So you mentioned, and this is what we kind of
talked about on the front end too, that this land
in particular, it felt like there was a lot of
like coming out parties for newer players who are starting
to break out onto the scene and players that maybe
we didn't know before, or maybe a lot of the
casual like viewer base didn't know before that now they're
starting to know. And like a panic comes to mind,

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you come to mind as well, and I feel like
maybe this is where we're going to start to see
some of these players start to break through. Where like
you talked about taking a step back and wanting to
get into into the right headspace. When you did that,
was it like what was the major like things you
had to do in your own life to be able
to get you to the place where you're at right now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
I would just say, like overall, like I was in
school at the time, so I was just doing that,
and I was it goes into everything, like it's not
just about APEX, Like everything would just make me mad,
and I just had to tone it back and just
make it to where if I got mad, I had
to do something different than like actually get mad. And
like so what I did was is I would just

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start just kind of like if something went wrong, just
kind of be quiet, just not think about it too hard.
And then like over time it got better. And I
think also like playing with Van, he's a really like
laid back guy and like very like chill, like he
doesn't really ever raise his voice or anything, and I
think that kind of helped as well.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
I was gonna say, it's kind of a funny dynamic
because like I feel like veins probably no, I mean
chill guys in the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
When we started talking. That was after this all happens, So.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
It was interesting because they did they did a live listening.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I don't remember if it was during finals or if
it was during like pool play, but we were doing
like a watch party and they went into your guys'
comms and our our analyst, Donnie, he was kind of
sitting there and he comes back in He's like, you
know what's crazy. It's like McLevin was talking that whole time,
and the bay kind of just came there at the end.
I was like saying some stuff and and Bane, I

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guess from your perspective, like you always have been a
little bit more on like the quieter side of the IGLS,
But I mean for you, like how do you how
are you able to make sure that you can like
mitigate like making sure you get the right calls out,
but also not going over the top with everything.

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
Just being very thorough and like concise about how you talk.
I just feel like talking more efficiently and like more
and precisely is like better for somebody to understand and
a tense situation than like screaming comms. Like you'll watch
teams like SR and it's like, how do these guys
even how are they even on the same page at

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any moment at all?

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Ever, I feel like that's always so impossible to follow that,
you know, yeah the zion you koy comms.

Speaker 9 (01:21:08):
And like also like you can very simply, you know,
ask your teammates if they understand what they're doing, or
like what the next play is, or like if you're
about to swing something, you know you can always you know,
make sure that they if you can, ask can we
sing this guy? Or like Korev come over here and
swing this with me, stuff like that. You don't have
to just scream, you know, not to say everybody's screaming,

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But I don't know, you watch a lot of odds
and it's hard to it's hard to follow, like hun
of Thieves like SR, those.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Both definitely do come to mind, Like both of the
like listening to your guys' comms is it's it's completely different.
Uh and and it's weird sometimes it's just like jarring,
but you make a great point. It's like you don't
have to be saying all that to get your point across.
It's very simple now for you vein like there was
a moment where obviously everything was going well for you

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guys with OXG. You guys had like a really good placement,
really good performance, I believe in LA and then there
was like a little bit of a step back and
for a while there it looked like maybe you were
going to go down the path of like retirement and
you were going to take a break from the game
as well. For you, what was that moment, Like what
was going on in your head at that time? And
then how did you get back to the uh get

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getting back to playing again?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:22:24):
Well, I think my goals now like as a person
are a lot different than you know, what they were
when I started. And I also like I feel like
I've accomplished a lot of goals that I did set
up to do in the sports you know, play for
like hrrent thieves, you know, winning a huge tournament, winning
a land, et cetera, Like it wasn't a very big land,

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but you know, I had all of those moments, and
I don't know, I felt like I I've never really
had access to like you know, your t one players
like as an Igl, like had access to like boy Foles,
I knows whatever, Like I'm always playing with like up
and coming players and you know, after the whole situation

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with XG. I don't know, I just felt like I
felt like if I had the right team and I
had two like capable players who were like smart and
could communicate well, like I had a good shot of winning.
I felt that way. I just felt it was gonna be.

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I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
I was just like.

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
Tired of like kind of putting together like scramble rosters
or not Scramble rosters, but just like I don't know,
I felt like I always had someone on my team
who wasn't experienced, and like we couldn't play a certain
way or we couldn't play a certain team comp and
those like you know, reasons will will make you suffer

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and comp So yeah, I don't know, I did retire.
I fully I was done. I didn't really want to
play anymore. I moved states, I went to school. I
went to like an online school, and I started working.

(01:24:16):
And then yeah, I mean Cole messages me for PSQ.
I didn't even see anything about it. I was like, oh, yeah,
you can just you can just go to the open
for free, like even if I played with two like
completely ran. I was like, there's no way you don't
call for that. I was like top sixteen or something
in the PSQ.

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
So yeah, with you succeeding so much now though, like
you know, as something that changed, like even being part
of like NIP and everything that pretty big org has
like that change where you're starting to want to focus
more on APEX or you just like actually happy with
how things have been and even doing it right now
that you just want to keep it consistent.

Speaker 9 (01:24:58):
Well, the last thing that I'm yet to do is
win ester lamb, you know, come home with a trophy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
It's happening in Japan, bro.

Speaker 9 (01:25:07):
You know, I felt like I have been good enough
to win. I feel like my calls are good enough
to win. I just need the right team and the
right environment, and I feel like I have that now.
And I did feel like, you know, at the beginning
of the year, like I just felt like I was
so close and I have such a clear vision on
how like how you actually like win something. I just

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needed the right pieces. So I felt like I felt
like it was kind of a way to try and
give up that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
Yeah, we'll talk about that like in a sec here,
because like in finals, I felt like you guys were
in game winning spot almost every game, like it was like,
holy shit, there's an ip again, we're ending this one.
But before I got into that, I remember after the open,
I think we even to like in that random bar
we all ended up in Las night. I was gonna say,

(01:26:05):
I was gonna say, there's lots of alcohol going around.
So I don't even remember the full conversations, but I
remember you mentioned you it there, and then I saw
your tweet where you said that a lot of people,
like the pros and the scene came up to you
saying like, good to have you back.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
It was it is good to have you there and
everything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
What do you feel like having that sort of respect
to like from you know, your peers, especially when you're
saying like you always felt like you're putting rag tag
teams together, it's hard to like get them to want
to be with you. But then after a lot of
people are saying that, you know, it was awesome to
have you back in the scene, after you know, having
a decent tournament there.

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Yeah, I mean I have a lot of like, you know,
lifelong friends that I've known for years at this point
in the scene, and when you when you compete, you know,
at this level, you have to sacrifice a lot, and
you know, I chose to sacrifice you know, mostly a
social life, friends, et cetera. So it's just nice to

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see all my friends again and to know that, you know,
they think it's nice to have me back. You know,
that felt really good. That was actually something I was
really surprised about. I don't know why, probably because I
mean I don't really I don't really talk to a
lot of people very often, like if I'm not scrimming

(01:27:18):
or practicing, you know, or playing ranks, and I'm usually
just not in my house and I'm not really on
social media. So it was just nice to know it
was just nice. It's good, good gesture from from people.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
Well, yeah, I even bringing up because like I know,
we haven't really chat too much more before even that
night at the Open is I think the first time
we met. But I was excited to have you back
because like Jayhawk has always been a you know, massive fan.
I know that you guys have think like connected when
he was like just coming onto the scene for the
first time, and I've had countless conversations with him about

(01:27:54):
how much he supported your team. So yeah, we were
all excited to have you back here. But I'm excited
to get into e w C. Unless you guys had
someone ready to talk I have.

Speaker 7 (01:28:03):
I have one thing that I'd like to cover before
we get into WUC. Do you guys consider yourself Sparrow crushes?
Because I see that you guys are Sparrow enjoyers substantially
early on than anybody you guys like, you guys play
Spara all the time, right, Curve is like always on Sparrow.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Yep, yeah, I mean yes, But before Sparrow was like
actually a meta we were we were playing Newcastle and
stuff and still got fourth in PO. So I don't
really think like yet we.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Saying you guys were bad with that. No, I know,
I know, I know you guys said.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
That is kind of saying that.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
I mean, like and that's what I was saying earlier
about like getting KP, like really just for a KP,
Like Sparrow is so busted to the point where like
teams can be fully set up with newcastle and you
can just kill them. They just die. It doesn't matter,
doesn't matter if they have wats and Gen, doesn't matter
if they have a newcastle. They just died. Like they
can't do anything. It's it's just really broken against like

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zone teams does the alt.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
The watching gen doesn't eat the alt.

Speaker 9 (01:29:07):
Is that what he does? But like you can place
it five ft away from the oult truth radius.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Yeah, Like the big thing with sparre it is even
if it's not doing damage, if you throw it behind
a wall, you're still getting wallhacks for five seconds or
like three seconds, and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
It pulls the attention to the team to shoot it. Yeah, right,
I think the alt's crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:29:26):
Like yeah, it's just like if a teams like defending
a building, like they're not the ones outside right, Like
you can take whatever angle you want and get the
right opening and then like all you have to use
is one sparrel. After you get your you know, opening,
you want and there's like almost no counterplane that's somebody
just like gets one clipped or somebody want B two's,

(01:29:47):
but just rarely happens in Devo O Meta especially.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Man, that Sparrow Divo is just devious.

Speaker 9 (01:29:56):
I don't know what Credit is gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Spar Devo is the I don't know what that guy's
gonna do.

Speaker 9 (01:30:01):
Bro, He's Sparrow is gonna get nerved and he's gonna
be like he's gonna be playing like old cod Boots
on the Ground is so good half the time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Half the time when we go to like a team
fight or something, I'm just I'm usually like in the
back because like they're on the movement characters and stuff,
and they'll start pushing and I'll just look in front
of me and I just see an Ash going just
like just moving around crazy. And then I looked at
my left and the Sparrow was moving crazy, and I'm
just like, okay, I'll just run straight at them.

Speaker 9 (01:30:30):
Yeah, there's definitely a lot for teams to deal with
because we're double mm k on like Ash and Sparrow
and we're just we're just going crazy with that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
Do you guys ever like look at your team as like,
this is our fragger, this is our support. And I
asked that because before finals, Vicky and Jamerson, the casters,
they were.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Like, hey, n I p who's their fragger And I
was like, well, like I don't. I'm like, I don't
really I feel like they have one.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Like I think in the way that the meta is
right now, it's more of just IGL and support support.
Like that's like there's not really that many roles right now.
It's more of just like your IGL has to be
on the movement characters or whatever, like as you would say,
fragging characters, because those are the ones who can go
out and look for spots and stuff. So it just
makes sense IGL support support and then like you kind

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of just rotate if you need to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:31:23):
Like it's like I'm like, it's not like kurrv can
like he was putting up I can't remember the peel stats,
but like it's not like he wasn't very far off.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
I believe you mcglevin.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
But then at the same time, I was like, he's
putting up huge damage and numbers. You're putting U big
damage and numbers. I'm like, I don't think either of
them really just take that frag your role. I'm like,
it's literally I just think, like what is the circumstance
in the situation that we need.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah, it's kind of yeah, it's more of just just circumstances,
depends on what everybody's doing, where the team is coming from,
what's happening, just everything like that.

Speaker 9 (01:31:51):
We like we aren't playing a whole lot of zone
in this meta. So like when we are doing damage,
like we're doing damage as a team in a team fight,
you know, like we're all going to be putting up
numbers because we're all in the team fight and we're
playing together.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:32:07):
It's it's kind of rare that we're like in a
building and zone, you know, and somebody like doesn't have
a gun to poke with and someone farms two thousand damage.
So that also like explains more so wire stats are
so like equal.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Like peel and just most yeah, most of the time
if we're doing damage, we're either fighting a team or
we're all three shooting at them. So that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (01:32:31):
And so you guys are a double MMKA team and
we mentioned like especially on those like this the Sparrow
NK and then you have like ash on MMK. Do
you guys, would you guys consider at this point that
being double MMKA is more advantageous to you guys than
if you guys had two rollers.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
I don't think. I don't really think input really matters
at this like high of the level of the game. Honestly,
I think it's more about game sense and just knowing
what to do.

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Yep, I would agree. I don't think. I don't think
input matters at all right now. I would say, like
MKA is a little stronger, I know, just because of
the characters that are meta, like don't say that they're
gonna and like Mark Marx and meta is hard. That
was always gonna favorite mkay. Like the amount of teams
like that we fight, that me and Krev just instikills
somebody is like it's like inside it's like probably sixty

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seventy percent of the time, like me and Krev have
instackilled somebody. But like you know, as Cale said, I
think like right now, like you don't really need like
a fragger only type of role, Like you need two
smart players who can communicate and have good games since
and like you know, that's just gonna do way more

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for your team than like you know, whatever input they're on,
or you know how good of a fragger they are.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Yeah, just coming back, it does feel like too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I mean they found like the perfect balance I think
when they did make the Amos's changes to where it
was like you get the m m K people who
can do mm K things, but also have the people
who are really good at controller. They can shine at
this level, which the early days of Apex were heavily
dominated m K. Then it went into the controller area.

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Now we're kind of I feel like we're at like
a really good point. I don't know if you guys
feel the same way.

Speaker 9 (01:34:18):
Yeah, it's it's really bounced.

Speaker 6 (01:34:19):
I like, I like it.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
Like the value of a player has has almost nothing
to do with them put nowadays, And like you look
at a team like you know, Alliance, like they're also
one eyed Jill and two support at this point in time,
like yeah, effect is a fragger and yeah, like I'm
lucky as a fragger. But like they play Few as
they play Newcastle, they play literally every character.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
They're they're they're interchangeable basically, like yeah, both of them
can do both roles, Like it doesn't matter who's doing
what yep.

Speaker 9 (01:34:49):
And they're both controller players, and they're both extremely smart
and have really good games.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
Since you know, yeah, Hack.

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
Has always just sized it as Frag and Refrag, which
is what I wish I was even curious about, Like
it's to hear about like a giving point of view
of like seeing you guys as two supports instead. But
I just I feel like that whole igl fragger support
type thing or anchor is the word. I feel like
I've talked to a lot of players if they said, like,

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that's never really how they viewed it. But I really
feel like it's starting to kind of, at least in
this mental be out the door, I don't I don't
really feel any team.

Speaker 9 (01:35:23):
Yeah, I think I think Fragger and Refrag is just
a better way to put it. And like you're at jail,
it's probably always going to be fragging. Technically, it's it's
just first man and you know, the character that takes
all the face like ash whatever, Like you can take
the space, you control the fight. You could just say
you're the Fagger. You might not do the most damage
in the fight, but it's regardless you're setting up you know,

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your teammates to refrag. Yeah, so you could say, like
Krev and Cole both refag Krev like also interchangeably depending
on like the spacing of us, Like, we'll also just
frack and I'll refract.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Him exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:36:01):
Now, EWC comes around different format ten game sets, you
guys got and top seven qualify.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
You guys end up getting like third in your group.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
But what do you because this was your first time
both of you for EWC, you didn't have to play
in like the even I guess more ruthless like LCQ
last year was only two teams qualified, but nonetheless you
didn't play in like this format. What are you guys thinking,
like going into like a ten game set like that
and knowing we need top seven or else we're gonna
be in a pretty brutal last chance qualifier lobby?

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
Can you say the start of that question?

Speaker 8 (01:36:31):
Again?

Speaker 6 (01:36:32):
Just like EWC, it's a different format where it's ten games,
top seven or else you fall to that LCQ lobby
and then like it's not like the same as a
typical apex land where you have group stages.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
So I would think that the big thing about the
ten game stuff and our team is that mean Vayner,
I feel like We're very flexible and we can play
a lot of different legends, which is very good when
there's legend bands and ten games, because you're gonna be
playing a lot of different like legends and stuff. And
I feel like that alone is like a really big

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part of it of like why we felt so good.

Speaker 9 (01:37:09):
Yeah, like the thing right now, like me and me
and Cole can basically take on like the most complicated
roles on the team and you know, just be like
a very established duo who can you know, play the
hardest roles on the team, and then Krev can Krev's
like in the spot, we're like the roles he It's
not saying that the roles he play aren't difficult, it is,

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but you know, it's it's very easy for him to
kind of like fit into the team no matter like
what comp are playing.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
How are you deciding those comps, especially like seven, eight, nine, ten,
Is it like just raving like in your coaches and
team are helping you out with like hey, if these
are banned, like this is the next best thing or
is it more of like a field thing that you
guys have just practiced on.

Speaker 9 (01:37:58):
We basically just played the most comp possible to be honest,
we at least try to have some rotate and we
play Pharaoh until he's banned. Yeah, the only difference was
in finals because like like Land Finals, like playing Edge,
especially when the first two games is d World's Edge
is like really really difficult, Like it you can't just

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like play Edge every single game, like it works well
in groups and in pl online, but like Land Finals,
like especially like game game one through three, like even
without legend bands, like Edge is just gonna be really
hard because everyone's like everyone's alive. You know, it's twenty
teams that round four. Like so we played we played
Zone Comps. The first two games, we played Crypto, which

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we haven't played a single day of Crypto. We just
pulled it out during finals and it went well. So
and like we picked staging, So it also depends on
pis like what Compe played, Like we picked staging on
Wedge because in groups, we we didn't care about wed
as much and we got Dome right and Dome was

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like already unplayable on that map. And then when you
had like gingy at Stacks and like I forget who
was there in finals at launch site, like it was
gonna be really bad. So I'm glad we did that.
And then like from zone, we just played like Caustic
and like Wraith and Sparrow, like we just played at
kill comp in zone, like we basically played the same,

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Like we're still killing zone teams for points, but we're
just doing it from zone with like Raith portoal Costic goal.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
Yeah, the Costic.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
I was gonna even ask for the Caustic pick because
like I mean picking Goustic and then like you know,
there's a little bit of luck there and getting zone
and you guys get the Snake building. I want to
go deep into that game. So I don't know if
we're too early on it, but like I was like,
holy shit, this is it, Like you know, Costic in
that building, like we.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
All thought it was over. We all thought it was
n IP. I was super excited.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
It was I like I wanted the boys to win,
just because I had just talked to you Vane and
at New Orleans and I talked to you a little
bit mcleven, but I didn't have the connection beforehand, so
like it was just kind of me just saying what's up.
But I had known Vain before. I was hoping for
it I was like, this is gonna be awesome, and
then the craber shot happens.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
I'm gonna have nightmares about that, Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
I was gonna say, now, now back and watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
I haven't watched it. I watched it, yeah, how watch
every other game, but I have not watched that on
what were the feelings?

Speaker 9 (01:40:28):
I mean that game is like, like I feel indifferent
about that game because that's not something you can control.
Some guy jumping onto your teammates and like nose couping
them is not something like you can plan for or
like something you should consider like a mistake that you made,
Like you know, games like that happen. It just sucks.
We weren't able to close it all right there because

(01:40:51):
I mean you're I mean, that's probably as close as
you're gonna get to winning elant right it's a three
v three and there's a solo Like it can't get
closer than that, the solo career. That sucks, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Yeah, So mcglevan, you obviously felt a little bit different
about it. That one stings a little bit more for you,
Like what what what I mean that game had ended
and you're like, what the fuck just happened? Like what
was going through your head?

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
I mean, I just I didn't even know what happened.
Like I didn't know we got crabered because we got collided.
I'm pretty sure like he head shot him and bodied
me and we both died. I didn't know what happened,
and it was just like I was just confused, honest.

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
Yeah, we didn't get to see like the death recaps
because the game ended instantly, and like from my POV,
like I take, I took like all the space on
the other team, like I was preussuring their caustic and
then I like look over to my right, so my
teammates are calming and like they're just dead.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
I was like, oh, I'm slying from the ropes.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
So I was like I thought they were dead because
I threw cost to cult on them, like on the building,
so I thought they would run back out and just
died of the team across, and then I saw two
knocked in the feed, so I thought for sure, like
the third ones over there too, and he's gonna die.
So I started focusing the other team, and then as
soon as I did that, we both got cravered.

Speaker 6 (01:42:07):
If we take even a few steps back though, So Falcons.
I again, if you haven't reviewed the game, I will just.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:42:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
They wrap and like I have a really good zone
rap right.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
Like the whole time, I'm sitting there with the casters
and I'm like, this is an Ip's game, Like there's
no one to contest them.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
And then Falcons make a really good rotate and they
get above you.

Speaker 6 (01:42:29):
And at that point I was like, oh shit, this
might be Falcons game now, because I'm like, and Iver
was like you think I was like, well, all they
have to do is they have to win the three
v three with an IP, and I was like they
had they had shield advantage, so I was like, and
you guys were in the building. I was like, I
think they have like the upper hand here to win
this fight. And they populistical. They're about to jump down

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to fight you guys, and they get Kraberd so they
have to like literally delay, can't push you guys, and
they drop on.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
The low round.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
When that sort of unfolds, it's I don't know, like,
is there ever a moment where like, holy shit, we're
about to win.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:43:03):
Once once I saw them slide off the height, like
you know, I mean that game, like you win that
game ninety nine out of one hundred times, like so
serious about that, Like you literally just do from from
your building.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Yeah, And I had no idea that you had also
taken the Kraber shot too. I just saw corev go down.
I had no idea you took the body shot from
that as well, which makes that even a crazier shot
just insane.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Uh, blame Liquid.

Speaker 6 (01:43:29):
They were standing next to the mythic pin and didn't
take it, and they wrapped around and died to Nauve
and then Ging got it, So blame them.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
It's always it's always Ging.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
I think we even in the final game.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
We fought them. I think however many games Finals was.
I think we fought either fought them or shot at
each other every game.

Speaker 9 (01:43:52):
Yea, even even in groups and like landscrim sleinging up
like they were just picking po Is sexus a lot.
And I think we've we've probably fought them at that
Land probably like ten plus times between groups and finals.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Now, the other significant game was obviously the final game,
And and I wonder what you guys felt about this
one too, because I looking at it when we were
in the moment, I thought you guys had the perfect spot,
But the only thing that was shitty about it was
the legend bands made it to where maybe you don't
have the best comp for that final zone because it

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pulled exactly where you guys had called to go. It
was going to go there, but because like so many
legends had been banned, I think it made it harder
to close down.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Am I am I right in that thinking? Or what
kind of happened in that final game?

Speaker 9 (01:44:40):
Yeah, I would say that game like steams a lot
more than the Quiber game, you know, like really games
in staging, like the endgame there, like that's just something
out of your control, you know, But that last game
like was completely in our control. Like that game we
died because we've made a mistake, not because we got craver, right.

(01:45:02):
I think I think I didn't have like as good
of a direction on that final zone for like what
we need to do and hold and where we need
to third party like if somebody fights. So like Krev's
like on the right side, holding off just like the
whole right side, and he's like pushed up pretty far,
and me and Cole are like positioned like in the back,

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like we're kind of both anchoring and looking at the
left side because they're hard fighting left side, and then
VKG like walks up on Krev really hard. They just
like push him instantly and he dies. Basically.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Well, the reason they did that is because they threw
two sky and naides up and hit me and you
both for a hundred.

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
Yeah, yeah, we both got hit one hundred by nads.
But yeah, I think I think it was like completely
preventable because like there was that there was no point
when we were holding that spot where it's like, what
do we need to do if this team on the right,
Like if a team from the right side just walks
up and tries to fight us while the rest of
the servers fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
M hm.

Speaker 9 (01:46:01):
You know, I didn't like, I didn't like think about that.
I didn't really make comments about it. So like when
they pushed up on the right side, like we just
weren't ready for it, like we weren't in position to
punish like a push like that.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
And so after oh, you can say, I'm just gonna
see the position in general, while it felt like it
was a gaming spot, like seemed like it was hard.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
It was definitely not a it was it was one
of those spots where yes, you're in gut spot, but
you have to you have to wipe one of your
sides or you're gonna get pinched, and.

Speaker 9 (01:46:31):
Yeah, you don't have like hardcover.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Yeah, like we were just we were just standing out
in the middle of the open, like on both sides.

Speaker 9 (01:46:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
And I think there was a few people who I'd
seen say like if this, if there was no legend
bands in this and they had like the ideal comp
they would have been able to lock it down and
win that game pretty much easily. But just because of
those legend bands and where it was at already at
game nine, it made it more difficult to do. And
I like you, watching that left hand side made a

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whole lot of sense because there was so many teams
fighting on the left hand side. There was like a
thousand of them over and I think like there was
Falcons E thirty six, all these other teams were over there,
so it made it like you have to kind of
watch that. But when we were watching on the map view,
you just see VKG just running straight in and it
was like, you know, inevitable at that point, but it was.

Speaker 9 (01:47:20):
Like one of those moments where like you're about to walk,
Like if you're a VKG, you're like about to walk
into zone and there's two teams fighting like on the
right side from like THERAPYOV. You know, you either third
party that or you ignore that and take the three
v three on the team and cons front. You know,
that's like you kind of have those decisions pretty rarely,

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and like you always need to make the decision to
take the other thirty three because like I mean, that
just wins two games, and they they played it pretty well,
they were ready for the fight. They threw Vertney. It's
like we were mispositioned.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:47:59):
They percent deserve that win.

Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
Now it was rougher, but like, yeah, like I was
saying earlier, you guys had like zone often. I know
there's two Barrow zones. You even said, like I think
you replied to Holle like if I'm in the lobby,
there's gonna be a Barrow zone.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
But uh, I feel like every language you get.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
Barrow zones though, because last EWC there's three, and I
think it was liquid who could have closed it out
three times on Barrow zones and they did it. But
what did you feel about zones in general? Because I
felt like we had two Barrow zones, two humberd Lab zones.
Do you guys find anything.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
Weird about Like there's a lotterybat zones in one lobby?

Speaker 9 (01:48:33):
Yeah, I mean it happens all the time. I don't
know why, but I think it's just like the way
the algorithm marks, like it takes like a quadrant of
the map first. So like, yeah, like the zone ending
in Barrow seems like a rare thing, but like realistically,
like you know, one in four games are like somewhere
in the south. You know, maybe one in three of

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those games are in Barrow, right, So I don't know,
it seems like rare. It seems like weird, but I
don't know the more you think about it, like the
way the zone algorithm like works in general, like it
just makes sense. We also had a Lotus zone too.
I think that was game one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Yeah, so when so this entire tournament, so it was
obviously VKG was was doing well pretty much from the start.
ROC was doing well from the start, and same with
you guys, But one thing I noticed throughout the just
the entire nine games is it just felt like you
guys were always finding a way to either get into
zone or you already had it and and vain like

(01:49:36):
that has a lot to do with your ability to
make those calls and make those rotations. And did you
just kind of feel like you were on fire on
on that Sunday just getting to the right spot every
single time. It felt like you and Roc were always
finding the spots.

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
I mean, I don't know. I felt like my macro
has always been like extremely good. I've always felt that
way as far as like you can exclude game nine
because if you watch our loge from game nine, I
think it ended in nine games. Maybe maybe it was
I think it was fine. But yeah, we literally just

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walk through the entire zone and not a single team
is holding one of the ten swats that we walked through.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Also, there was nobody in Humber like we walked. We
walked from lotus all the way to that backside. Nobody
shot at us.

Speaker 9 (01:50:27):
We didn't find a single team, We didn't shoot a
single person like.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
They were all so they were they were kind of
like closer to old town.

Speaker 9 (01:50:33):
They like the zone wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
Yeah, yeah, first game in Humber, everyone was there.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Which I don't I don't know why. I don't know
when people are going to realize that there's not old
town zones.

Speaker 9 (01:50:42):
Well, those those things happened too, like later on in
the set, right, Like you don't have Raith, you don't
have Path, you don't have these rotation characters that you
can leap prog teams with. Like, like it's probably the
first three teams got to Humber, right, and they're playing
these swats to gate keep other teams. No one else
can get into this out because like they don't have
the comp to do it, and there's not a balloon

(01:51:02):
that they can take into the zone besides the one,
like and it doesn't take it that very far, but
like they don't have the tools to like get around
these teams that are gatekeeping them. So like, you know,
three teams are basically gatekeeping the entire server. You know,
fifteen other teams they can't get into the zone. One

(01:51:23):
way to look at it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
When you have like a lot of games legend ban
and now you feel like, well, what feels like fundamentals
of the game have just been removed, and it gives.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
I feel like I feel like it needs to change
some way. I don't really know how they would do it,
but I feel like the way it is now is
kind of just like a little like not amazing. Yeah
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
It does feel like every single game is a little much,
especially when you know you have those Basically to get
it to reset on a certain character would take so
many games to get happen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
It's never gonna happen, right characters.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I feel like that, Like
if they would like not even change the legend bands itself,
but give more characters, even just console, Like we just
got another one from the Altar change, which is nice
because after game five six, when like Fuse Kat Watson

(01:52:26):
are all banned, it's like now we either have to
play rampart and marage and like there goes an entire
like legend. That's like actually good because we just have
to play it for ring or advantage.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
That makes you avantage.

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
Also like one thing too, like we're playing like comp
at like a world class level in like a game
that has characters that are designed to like be for
fun and like be like a casual legend. Right, Like
you know, we have like Optane in the game, like
he's just he's supposed to just be fun. You know,
you're supposed to run around have fun. There's characters like that,
and then there's characters who are like have all this

(01:53:03):
utility and all this like team fighting, like prowess and
like you know, like there's not that many characters that
like have a ton of utility like that that you know,
that are useful. You know, once you get to like
eight bands, nine bands, it's like, well, here are the
legends that are designed for fun, like Mirage and like

(01:53:24):
you know, Octane, Like Mirage has a console now, so
like he's just played in comp because there's not enough consoles.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
I was just gonna say, like I even brought this
up in general because when you're saying three teams can
gatekeep other squads out, I feel like the whole thing
about Apex as a br that's made it stand out
from other brs is that there always is a way
to like accomplish what you want to do. Like I
feel like if you watched it like pubg or even
like war Zone, I feel like if someone's gatekeeping your debt,

(01:53:53):
you just can't do anything but a abilities.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
Yeah, Like like two teams in a Publis Zone can
like get like eighty percent of the kills and like
gate keep the entire lobby.

Speaker 5 (01:54:02):
It's insane.

Speaker 6 (01:54:03):
Yeah, so like getting zone, like the luck of it
is like significantly more valuable. Where Apex you always had
a way to outplay, so like I didn't even think
about that that like how the later bands like removes
that ability once those rotation characters.

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I I think it's good, Like,
you know, it's more entertaining, and it also like makes
your team has to be a lot more well rounded,
like at the game. You can't just have this like
niche plice style because it's just gonna get banned.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
Yeah, and then what do you do?

Speaker 9 (01:54:36):
But I don't know, I think I think you are right.
I think if the tournament goes on long enough, like
we're just like removing, you know, all of the things
that make the game and comp interesting, like as a
competitive b are you know, like game ten, Like how
are you supposed to rotate in this out? We have
a Maggie Ball. We're going to the Maggie ball and

(01:54:57):
hopefully run fast enough to not get shot at We're.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
We're on like Maggie Sparrow mirage. Like yeah, well we're
literally just running around.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
Like Maggie ball bangled.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
If we see if we see someone like we're just
gonna fight them because there's no way around them.

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Okay, do you guys think that if it was like
after six games, like the legend bands just were like wiped,
or like a certain amount of them then opened up,
or like maybe a game seven, game eight, something like that,
to where it stays like the same game of Apex
with all of those different abilities, but they still have

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some sort of effect.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
I think either that or just make every legend like viable,
like make them, make them good enough to where you're
not going to be screwed over by game seven. Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Around the different legends.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
I mean, yeah, it is, That's what. It's just.

Speaker 9 (01:55:55):
Something we're like per map, you have bands, right, we
could do like a twelve game set all four maps
and then have bands, right, or like two games set
on all four maps and just have like bands for
each map.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
I don't know, Okay, So that's kind of the idea
that I've had for a while, is because I know
they did like a snake draft kind of thing situation
in finals this time with all the maps.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
I always thought it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Would be super interesting if you did two to two
two and after the second, after the second game on
whatever map, then you do the band. What let whatever
legend got picked the most from those two maps, that
is the one that goes way and it's probably gonna
be the same one every single time.

Speaker 9 (01:56:33):
So yeah, you could have a ban after every two games. Yeah,
that would probably feel a lot better, honestly.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
The other thing is is like I don't know how
this would change, but Privacy mentioned this when the bands
first happened. But instead of it being the most used
character in an individual game, it should be cumulative.

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
So it's like if Ashley is the most used character.

Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
Yeah, if ash is the most used character in game
one and got banned, then okay, Ash's band. But say
like Watson was used like four teen times, and then
the next game you have sixteen Raiths, but there's like
another fourteen Watson's Watson should now be banned.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
And then you go on to So yeah, that would
that would work.

Speaker 6 (01:57:12):
Yeah, yeah, it just makes it that like the most
used legend in the in the series is getting banned,
where yeah, you're just replacing your your your movement character
every single game, like okay, who can use now?

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
Who can we use now?

Speaker 6 (01:57:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:57:25):
Yeah, that that happened like at the Open where like
Newcastle would get picked like eighteen times every single game
the entire set and never get banned the whole set.
We'd play like eight games and every team was on Newcastle.

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
It would just it would just be the Rota character
every game.

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:41):
Like he'd put the numbers up like in the early scrims,
and it's like, if you looked at like the cumulative stats,
like Crypto and Newcastle should have been getting banned every
single like second game or third game, but instead they
were making it to game.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
Six and it just wasn't making sense. Yeah, I like
that a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:57:57):
Like when he said that, I was like, I think
that's more representative of like, if you're trying to get
rid of the best character from that from the lobby,
that that's the best way to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:58:07):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
The other thing, too, is you had mentioned earlier in
the interview, Vane that you felt like with this team,
you and mcleven can play a lot of different characters.
And I wonder if a lot of the teams that
were starting to see like do really well are benefiting
from the Legend band system just because there are a
lot of players out there who have been in the
trenches working their ass off playing Apex that maybe haven't

(01:58:31):
gotten that opportunity because of different timings whatever it may be.
In Apex where obviously we didn't have a POI draft
for a long time. I think that forced a lot
of teams out, a lot of players out. Do you
feel like this the legend band system has at the
very least made it to where those those longtime players
with a lot of different abilities on a lot of
different legends have been able to thrive. Even looking at

(01:58:52):
roc like a guy like Saucer, like for a long
time trying to find his footing and now with like
these new things implemented, get second right. So it's like,
do you feel like that's like been a major contributor
for for your guys' like success.

Speaker 9 (01:59:06):
Yeah, I mean would I would agree it Just you're
just way more valuable now, like if you have played
every role, you know, even if you played like most
of the roles, or you can learn quickly right to
play other roles, Like Trev hasn't necessarily played everyone in
the game, but he's a very quick learner. So like

(01:59:27):
to have somebody like that, like he may not have
like the most land experience but he's been around for
a long time and he can learn very quickly, and
he has like a really good attitude about it. So like,
you know, it's very easy for like, you know, me
and Cole to play all these different things and like
for him to just pick something up that we need
him to like pick up.

Speaker 7 (01:59:48):
Are So we have six months before Champs? What like
with such an immense amount of time from now to then,
what is your guys' mindset towards approaching it? And like
how are you guys getting ready to stay locked in
so that way you guys can show up the best

(02:00:09):
you guys can for Champs.

Speaker 9 (02:00:13):
I mean the only I like, I believe that the
only reason we didn't win this land is because we
just simply like weren't ready, Like we didn't have enough
you know, discipline and scrims or whatnot. Like we didn't
have enough discipline in the finals. Like we made mistakes,
Like we made small mistakes, we've made critical errors, like

(02:00:33):
those things happen in the finals.

Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
Right, Like.

Speaker 9 (02:00:37):
We're a very new team, So like from now until Champs,
it's all just polish, right, like making sure that our
chemistry is as polished as it can be. You know,
making sure nobody's like swinging something alone like ever that
should never happen. It did happen in the finals, by
the way, that last game I literally swung Dick into

(02:00:58):
a team and died instantly. So yeah, I mean, like
we got third place while making a bunch of mistakes.
So the best thing that we can do is just,
you know, just stay disciplined in our practice over the
next six months, use use pl and scrims to play

(02:01:18):
like a lot of different comps. Like like we were
in a position right before finals, like we had to
do the draft, like we picked his own POI, and
like I really wanted us to play Crypto game one
and two like Crypto and play the Watson like because
it was just too hard to get kills and zone
like against zone teams when they're on like Watson and Crypto,
because like they all just exist next to each other,

(02:01:40):
so you get emped like three times. It's just too
hard to kill people. And Krev was like really really
against it, right m And like that's totally fine, but
I don't want to be in a position next Land
when like we need to make an adjustment, because most
likely you do that like where you like feel like

(02:02:01):
we shouldn't be making adjustment, Like I feel like everyone
on the team should feel comfortable confident about that mm
so just use then, you know, the next six months
to branch out play every complet can play all the roles,
We can be as disciplined as we can, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (02:02:19):
Yeah, I was even gonna say, like mcleven earlier, and
you know, when we were talking about it, you already
said you're like champs were coming away with this right
for like your second Land. What did it feel like
coming away from also such a big like Land mid
season playoffs, two million dollars on the line and everything
like that third place? Like yeah, what what did you
just mean to you? From that perspective? And then the

(02:02:39):
same thing, like what do you think about going into
the next six months?

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
I think to me, I and honestly just felt amazing,
like to know that I finally made it to that
point and to be able to have the chance to
compete to win. I think that's one of the big things,
is like, yeah, like there's teams in the finals, but
like they never really had a chance, like even like
a shot to like win it, but like having like

(02:03:05):
I mean we had multiple opportunities to and to see
that like that we had those opportunities, it felt really nice.
Even if you know we didn't do it, it it
give us that that, I guess, like the confidence that
I know we can do it. We just have to
fix a couple of things, like small things that we
did wrong and stuff like that. And for this six months,

(02:03:28):
I would say it's basically yeah, what he said, just
making sure we can do everything and if anything happens
that along the line. I mean, there's probably gonna be
a bunch of meta changes before Champs because it's six months,
so there's really new telling what's going to be being
played there, which is why I think, Yeah, like being
able to play everything to the highest ability is like

(02:03:51):
really nice.

Speaker 6 (02:03:53):
Yeah, Like I mean I've played in like I've just
done for fun shit like even BLGs with somebody's and
competing in something like that was just so fun, Like
or would you us? Even people describe what it's like
hitting match point at such a big event, like what
is going on?

Speaker 5 (02:04:09):
Like when your head when you're like, I mean we
got this chance.

Speaker 9 (02:04:11):
Now, it's like it's like how cold play it? Right?
Like there's competing and then there's like knowing that you're
competing to win, right, Like there's like knowing that you
can win. Like those two things are like very different.
And I've been competing for like a long time in
the sports, like probably like nine ten years at this point,
maybe maybe a little bit shorter, maybe like eight nine years.

Speaker 5 (02:04:32):
Yeah, we talked about your R six days Rainbow six
days at the land.

Speaker 4 (02:04:35):
I didn't even know about that.

Speaker 9 (02:04:36):
So, like, you know, I've been competing, you know for
like a long time, but only for like a couple
like years now that I've been like competing to actually win.
And I mean yeah, I mean there's no other feeling
than being like match point, You're in the end game.
That's happened like multiple times now, right, Like that happened

(02:04:58):
split too and year three, like on match point in
multiple end games, like or it was just one I think,
but you know that one end game is like yeah,
I probably wouldn't have came back if that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
Yeah, And there's like that threshold moment where it's like,
like you said, I think there was a lot of
teams here, and I think there's some younger teams out there,
Like maybe I'm speaking for them, but I feel like
a Sentinels is in that place where it's like, wow,
we're competing, but then there's that crossing that threshold, like
I'm trying to win and I have the ability and
the opportunity to win, And this entire tournament, you guys
were playing in that zone where it's like we're competing

(02:05:35):
to win here, and you could see it from pool
play all the way to the finals.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Yeah. I think that kind of just goes back to
what we were like saying, like super Early is like
all three of us like we're playing to win. That's
like the whole Yes, we're having fun, we're having a
good time, but we're also like we're all three that's
set on winning.

Speaker 1 (02:05:52):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
That's like that's what we want. We don't want to
just be competing and just be like at the bottom
of finals and you know we went to wind.

Speaker 9 (02:06:01):
Yeah, I mean third place felt like, you know good.
You know it'll probably feel better once you know the
check hads. But you know, it's just I've placed third before,
so it's not like I'm placed higher than I did.
It's just like I'm just getting closer and closer to
the actual goal.

Speaker 4 (02:06:19):
You know of winning.

Speaker 6 (02:06:22):
Quick side note you brought up Split two when you
guys got third lost, like when you got through the
last time it was you that was in like the
final like right before Darkshire win. You were going up
the horizon queue. Did you think you could land on
the tree because I would have thought I could land
on the tree. Yeah, Like I've never been able to
ask you.

Speaker 5 (02:06:40):
It was like because I remember you win.

Speaker 9 (02:06:45):
The fucking game was a solo Like that was also
a game where like someone lost our game like three
virtanys by one team, like they all threw virtenes. They
all threw like two vitnes on our roof and my
teammates just got sent flying off the roof. Like yeah,
that's that's like the game in stadium where it's like
there's not much you can really do about that. So yeah,

(02:07:07):
it's it's it's it's like I've had two games like
that where like there's not much you can do about it,
and like a mashpoints setting and then like this land
like the last game we had a game where it's like, yeah,
we we lost that because like we made mistakes and
the other team didn't, right, So.

Speaker 5 (02:07:25):
Yeah, I just often wish.

Speaker 6 (02:07:26):
I'm like, man, I wish that tree was standable, because
I think that would have been the crazy you win,
you win for sure. I think like you just look
down and shoot them and it's over, And that would
have been the most insane final.

Speaker 9 (02:07:37):
I mean, that would have been history, no solo winning winning.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
It would have changed everything. But I only got I
only got one or two more? Do you guys have
any more before he hits his final one?

Speaker 5 (02:07:50):
Uh No, I'm I'm mostly covered.

Speaker 7 (02:07:53):
Okay, So I got two different questions because it's yeah,
yeah's gonna have to ask him separate.

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
Yeah, and we got to get mcleven by himself for
one of these two to really get back into the
history and stuff like that. But I did want to
throw this one over to you, Cole, which was I
just looked at the I looked at the dates here
on when you were competing, almost to the day. A
year ago you would place twenty fifth in the split
to North American Pro League, and now a year later,

(02:08:21):
just one year you just placed third at the one
of the biggest tournaments in Apex Legends history. EWC and
you are with this team, You're with his igl who's great.
You got Karev and you guys were bawling out the
entire time. Like it all changed in a year and
it's got to feel like a whirlwind from but just
from your perspective, like do you ever just kind of

(02:08:44):
sit back and you're like, what the hell happened?

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
Like this is awesome?

Speaker 4 (02:08:48):
I feel like a big thing is is I mean, obviously,
most of my teammates that I played with back then
weren't super experienced when it came to like these high
tier lobbies. They were great players. I love them, but
it's just how it was. I wasn't either. I didn't
really have that much experience either. But I feel like
playing with Vain and Krav them having that experience, I

(02:09:12):
feel like it's just made it a lot easier on me.
It just as a player in general.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
I love it. I love to see it. Do you
want to hit him with it? Yeah? I will go
with Vain first, since you're the returning guests.

Speaker 7 (02:09:28):
All right, Vain, from the last time you were on
the pod to now, what's the most important thing you've learned?

Speaker 9 (02:09:38):
When was? When was the last time I was on
the pond.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
Excellent question. It was a long time ago before I
think it was before.

Speaker 9 (02:09:46):
La Yeah, sure, maybe a year and a half, two years?

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Yeah, yeah, let me uh here, I can get you
a date. We have a lot of episodes. I'm not
gonna lie. I'm scrolling through them. On was it on
I don't even know if it was on YouTube yet?
I don't you think we were on YouTube yet? Now
I'm looking through Spotify as we speak.

Speaker 9 (02:10:08):
Jeez, that's a good question.

Speaker 5 (02:10:10):
Oh it was one year ago, season eighteen. Whenever that
was it was?

Speaker 6 (02:10:16):
Oh, hold on YouTube was lagging August third, twenty twenty three,
So two years.

Speaker 5 (02:10:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:10:28):
I mean I would I would say like a big
theme in my life that I try to apply is like,
as a person, you're only going to get X amount
of opportunities, right, So like it's your job to like
be as ready like as a person for those opportunities
so that they don't pass you by, right. Like I think,

(02:10:49):
you know, these last two years, especially like this land
as well, and like this team has like further like
reinforced that like ideology, you know, like I'm only going
to have, you know, a certain amount of opportunities and
it seem to like win something big, right, So like

(02:11:09):
it's it's really on me too, like be as ready,
like as like as a person like in game, like
mechanics calling, like confidence, et cetera. Like, And I think
that just applies also to life in general. Like you
don't want to like have this opportunity come by and
then like you know, you try and take it but

(02:11:29):
fall short. Right, you know, you don't want to be
like stagnant. You want to always be pushing the envelope
in your life.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
Yeah, all right mc levin.

Speaker 7 (02:11:41):
This is your first time on the pod, so I
get to ask you a different question, and so you
are very easily and clearly performing in the top one
percent of APAX Sloven's players.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Congratulations to you. Love that for you.

Speaker 7 (02:11:56):
What has like so if somebody, regardless of the field
that they were pursuing, I wanted to reach that like top.
What is one thing that you've learned along your journey
that somebody, regardless of the field could apply to theirs.

Speaker 4 (02:12:16):
Having a good mental is the most important thing, I believe,
Like believing in yourself and believing in your teammates is
one of the biggest things when it comes to doing
whatever you want to do in life.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
All right, Well, ladies and gents, Uh, that was vain.

Speaker 2 (02:12:33):
That was mcleven shout at mcloven hopping on the first time,
vain second time on.

Speaker 1 (02:12:36):
I do want to say this before we leave too.

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
I am notoriously one of the biggest jinxes and I'm
like a, I'm like a.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
I'm a bad luck charm for almost every I talked about.

Speaker 6 (02:12:51):
You.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
No, no, we're shutting it down. Why whatever you were
going to know? I like, I like mcgloven.

Speaker 4 (02:13:02):
It's okay. Privacy told me this. Privacy told me the
same thing before. He told me before the before groups
even started, I said, we're winning. I didn't win, but
we got third.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
But you do not. You do not know that I'm
a different afferent.

Speaker 5 (02:13:15):
Listen, you guys had sa on, you guys had sauce on.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
But this is what I was of death.

Speaker 7 (02:13:20):
No, no, but why why it wasn't gassing up sauce
saying that, like, oh, I really hope you guys.

Speaker 5 (02:13:26):
I thought he was just gonna do his typical hope.
Next time you're on your you're lifting a trophy.

Speaker 1 (02:13:31):
Let me let me say what I was gonna say, Okay,
I am we say that to everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:13:36):
What I'm going to say is when Japan rolls around,
I'm gonna put out a prediction and I might say
that you guys are no, don't bottom of the leader,
don't hard.

Speaker 7 (02:13:50):
Just talked about how he was a limited amount of
time to get this done and you were gonna put
I'm not gonna say they're gonna win.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
I'm not gonna win.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna pick a team, and then
I'm gonna be like and by the way, n I
p dead last. Don't take that to heart. That is
me trying to work with the voodoo, trying to work
with the magic, trying to get you guys into that,
me trying to get you guys there.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
Hey, I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put a little
XB underneath it.

Speaker 5 (02:14:19):
The best things you could do is actually say fuck
you Wyatt.

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
Because I picked Fanatic, I said Fanatics winning, and the
first two games they got twentieth and nineteenth back to back.
I said Shopify was winning. Before the tournament started, they
didn't make finals. This is just two examples of many
times that I have absolutely chalcked it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:39):
It's not you, man, it's them. It's all them.

Speaker 7 (02:14:42):
Man. It was talking about how he felt like Sentinels
was gonna win the last like the Pro League Championship day,
and then.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
Then they barely made Yeah, they were so bad. It
was absolutely terribly sure. Carter was like half dead playing that.
Just keep going, just keep that.

Speaker 7 (02:15:01):
Not exactly because of what Why it said, but I mean, dude,
if Why wants you to do well or he thinks
you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:15:07):
Do well, it is bad news. And this was the
crazy part on the Prediction Show.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
I said fanatic And after I ended it, I went
to one of the guys we were hosting you with
and I said, I wanted to say nip, but I
didn't want to chalk their chances and then you guys
get third. So this is what I'm gonna be doing
for Champs. I'm gonna be employing this strategy for Champs.
I like you guys, uh, and I I gotta do
what I gotta do just to help you guys out.

(02:15:32):
But that's all I wanted to say. Thank you guys
for hopping on the show. We appreciate it, and hopefully
the next time you guys hop on, we got that trophy.

Speaker 9 (02:15:42):
Thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
It'll be a long time now, but it'll be happy year.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
But once again, thank you guys for hopping on. Of course,
thanks for having us all right, boys and girls. That
was Ninja's pajama shout out to Nip for hopping on
the show.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
Oh ladies and gents, we've got the heart to heart time,
Heart to heart, Jumba, you're up.

Speaker 4 (02:16:10):
Well.

Speaker 6 (02:16:10):
I mean, like I was at EWC a week, so
the heart to heart might be like I was worried
because I was at a hotel by myself, not like
there's other people at my hotel, but like I wasn't
with any APEX people. Really, the talent was all at
one the players were all at another hotel, So I
thought like my experience was gonna kind of suck because
I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (02:16:29):
Gonna be with a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (02:16:30):
But instead, on the flip side, it kind of forced
me to get to meet like people from other games,
so I started like meeting people from Counterstrake World, Valiant
World doing stuff with that where it's like I ended
up watching a bunch of Valorant at this tournament. Absolutely Jinks,
the fucking a fanatic I was so tragic, I tweeted

(02:16:51):
the previous day, I was a fanatic Valori fan.

Speaker 5 (02:16:54):
I teeted the previous day. I as a fanatic Valori fan.

Speaker 6 (02:16:57):
After they won and semi final and like a great
fashion come back down one to win two to oh
or two to one in a best of three, go
to finals. Next day's best of five, and they win
the first game thirteen to four, the second game thirteen
to one. I'm not at the venue, texting some friends
like get over here, now, I fucking get over there.
They're up like nine to seven or something like that,

(02:17:20):
or like eight seven, and then and then lost that game.

Speaker 5 (02:17:24):
It was like, okay, they're still up to one. That's fine.

Speaker 6 (02:17:26):
I couldn't, unfortunately, watch anymore after game four, which they
also did lose, and I was two two, but you know,
they got Matt five, and they were still so dominant
like in the first two games again thirteen four, thirteen
to one. They actually still at this point have won
significantly more rounds than Heretics. And then a little bit
later I checked and they they lost the entire tournament,

(02:17:50):
came second place. After I tweeted out after game two,
I tweeted out I've been a Fanatic fan for two
days now, but I knew they always had this in them.
I literally the fucked up part two is like, I'm like,
I'm gonna tweet this because this is taking a page
of the Wise book.

Speaker 5 (02:18:06):
I think it's funny. And then I jinxed the US.

Speaker 2 (02:18:10):
Yeah, some are saying, not me, that maybe I brought
Fanatic into the top ten after Jumba dropped them out.

Speaker 5 (02:18:18):
No, because I talked about Fanatic Valerie.

Speaker 3 (02:18:22):
I just want to say, for people that are trying
to come onto the podcast, I had the Jersey buff
this weekend, so like, we're not all Jinks, is her right?
Like I had the one hundred Thieves jersey on they
did good. I had the t SM jersey on when
they won Cruise. I'm just saying it's not all of us,
all right, I.

Speaker 5 (02:18:38):
Own I own four jerseys.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
We had the way Hey, you're not being muted, that's crazy.
That definitely didn't happen in all this weekend.

Speaker 7 (02:18:50):
We did have the Rock Sorcerer, but to be fair,
a decent amount of times I would get up the
majority of the time in between games and I would
just leave.

Speaker 4 (02:19:00):
For the time.

Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
It was honestly just became a great bit. The rest
of the time, it's just like, hey, what's up beat?
I always beat it all right, sick now?

Speaker 7 (02:19:07):
And then I'm and during I'm not gonna lie when
you guys were casting during those games, I at one
point I was just like, you know what, they've been
duo casting the whole week I'm not finding my slot.

Speaker 1 (02:19:21):
Something hard.

Speaker 5 (02:19:26):
They were doing d MAR the other night and why
it was just like fucking fighting on all cylinders, Like, man.

Speaker 4 (02:19:31):
You do this all weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
I started for a while, and then I started in casting.
That's where I started this whole journey.

Speaker 2 (02:19:38):
Moved over into the pod world, but I started there,
and Dude, doing gaming is way harder than I thought
it was gonna be. Dude, sports is relatively easy, especially
if you've been watching it like your whole life.

Speaker 1 (02:19:50):
This one's hardest ship.

Speaker 5 (02:19:52):
No, there's also a Battle Royale. That's what's hardest show.

Speaker 6 (02:19:54):
I fucking say this to like the casters all the time,
like I don't know how you guys keep up with everything,
and they're like when they don't have a that are
like seeing shit properly and they're just casting off their
map and off their off their their kill feed. I'm like,
it's pretty impressive work that you guys do here.

Speaker 4 (02:20:08):
M h what else.

Speaker 5 (02:20:10):
Yeah, Like event was cool.

Speaker 6 (02:20:11):
I got to meet a lot of people like outside
of APEX. Honestly, it's probably the first event where like
I was actually more disconnected from APEX than usual, Like
I didn't do like like obviously I was there, I
did everything with them and all stuff like that, but like,
I don't know, it felt like this is like usually
I co go to the events and I have like
a lot of like work to do with like editing,
where I didn't have to do with this one.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
So yeah, like I was just kind of like taking
it pretty casual, pretty chill. But it was like it
was fun.

Speaker 4 (02:20:36):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (02:20:37):
EWC this year.

Speaker 6 (02:20:39):
Last year, I kind of only walked one down one
like lane, uh, and I thought I saw the entire event,
and then after I got home and I was like,
oh shit, I didn't see anything from the event. So
this time I took the liberty to walk around the
entire place and guys, it is like one section of
Disney World. The place is fucking huge. I kept walking
it was like when does it end? And then I
was seeing like this like air yeah, where there was

(02:21:00):
just nobody.

Speaker 5 (02:21:01):
It was like, am I still in ne WC anymore?
I don't even know where I am, Like like literally
kidding is fucking massive?

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome man. Uh yeah, I'm just
happy that I'm happy you guys are back safe. I
know Jay had like the worst travel troubles of all time,
which I've been there before.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
That shit sucks. That's just terrible.

Speaker 6 (02:21:22):
So yeah, grateful to be there though as always, like,
you know, such a crazy opportunity that I get asked
to go out to do this stuff, you know, gonna have.

Speaker 5 (02:21:30):
A video come out.

Speaker 6 (02:21:31):
I actually want all your help because I feel like
you guys were so deep and invested in the tournament
and I was running out with so much other stuff
that I need some help actually brainstorming a title. I
think you guys might have some insight. But yeah, like, no,
grateful to always be out there is super sick, super fun.

Speaker 4 (02:21:46):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:21:46):
The games are great, Chatting with the players are great.
Player Loungers sick.

Speaker 5 (02:21:49):
This time, like for the player side of things, everything
was amazing. Yeah, player Lounger was so cool. They got
rid of our Spanish lattes though we had Spanish were
so good.

Speaker 6 (02:22:01):
Not going back next year we had to We had
to buy them this time from from Starbucks.

Speaker 5 (02:22:05):
They were free last year. I was like, like, anyone,
if you're listening to this, get the Spanish lot das back.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
I was like, we mean, you know, I tried to
go get those free red bulls in Nola and there
was like a fucking.

Speaker 1 (02:22:17):
Camp that show. I was out there ten minutes before.
I didn't get one, but you know, almost didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:22:25):
I almost didn't get one, yeah, because I wasn't trying
to be like one of those guys that just like
blocking everybody from getting up and there are people that
had been waiting there substantially less than me.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
But I locked my one. Yeah, he got his one.

Speaker 5 (02:22:37):
Oh and then wait, what was I going to say, though,
ship I forgot fuck? Will come back to me and
I'll come back. We'll come back, I'll come back.

Speaker 7 (02:22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
Uh yeah, I mean I think if anything came from
this weekend was just uh, really realizing what a willingness
to put in the work does, because I think that
obviously for or you know, being a part of the
podcast and knowing my role, obviously it was like trying
to do a lot of the the research and trying
to come up with stuff to talk about and look
at these other teams across the regions, like you know,

(02:23:10):
seeing this the story with VK Gaming and entire APAC South,
you know, staying up those late hours watching the region,
you know, really understanding where some of these players are
coming from, what these teams are capable of, and then
obviously to see them win, it was just a whole
different kind of V four A feeling that like, you know, again,
it's almost like watching like somebody you've known for a
long time win because you just obviously put so much
time into get to know who they are as players,

(02:23:32):
you know what they're you know, what their style of
play is, just all the little details that just kind
of make these stories. You know, you kind of respect
their grind and where they came from even more. And
then just on top of that, you know, just obviously
the stream, how great that was, you know, recording all
the podcasts that we did during the week and getting
those episodes out, Like I got a new you know,
I always respected why It's grind, but I have even

(02:23:54):
more respect for him recording in his car on his
lunch break, because fuck that would I ever do that
in my life if I'm on a lunch p so,
but no, it's just like between again the streams and
the research over the past year and doing all that stuff.
It just again like it's really the work in the hours,

(02:24:15):
you know, putting the guides together, like all the different stuff.
Like it's it's really come to a lot of very
cool opportunities, a lot of cool things had in my
way and a lot of you know, fans. I didn't
think I would ever have or like any of that
kind of stuff. So it's it's been, it's been really cool.
And again, it just all comes down to put it
in those hours. And uh, I think maybe unmatched to Wyatt,
I think I'd have put a lot of them in

(02:24:35):
because why, I mean, he's all the place for this podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:24:37):
So yeah, I'll follow it up that that was gonna
be my heart to heart too, And it's just something
there's just something I love and I've had this for
a while and it doesn't happen with everything that I do,
but like for certain things like I used to work
with my cousin.

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
I used to be a welder with my cousin and
like I like welding.

Speaker 2 (02:24:56):
It's cool, but also it's definitely like a mentally and
like physically taxing job at points. But when I was
doing with my cousin, I could have worked that job
twenty four hours in a row because you're working with
somebody you like, somebody you want to be around, and
you're both working towards a common goal. This week was
so fun because me and Don and then when he

(02:25:19):
came in for that final stream, it's like we're all
working towards a common goal and it just felt cool.
Like I'm waking up at like seven am, which I'm
terrible at waking up, and Don's texting me trying to
get me in there. I get in late, but it's
just like whatever, we're working now, and it was like
that entire thing. Then, like we're I'm recording inside the truck,

(02:25:40):
I'm getting it uploaded. Definitely not on work time, but
we're getting it up, getting everything ready to go.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
It just feels fun. It feels good.

Speaker 2 (02:25:51):
And when the games were over, when everything was said
and done, that Sunday night, you know a lot of
time behind a screen I spent, so I just I
sat at a bar by myself just to kind of
decompress from staring at screens basically from like fucking Thursday
to Sunday, and I just thought about how fun it was,
like how cool it was to just grind like that,

(02:26:13):
put out episodes. And big shout out to Jay and
Jumba as well for re teaching me my love for photoshop,
because when I first started making pods, I spent as
much time in Photoshop as I did in anything that
had to do with audio. And then because I started
working a different job, I had less I felt like
I had less time and I kind of lost that

(02:26:33):
like drive, that passion for it. And now like I
just go in there and I'll make something just because
it feels good, it feels fun. I must have tweeted
eight thousand times this weekend. I'm going between three different accounts,
tweeting all the time, putting out the episodes, making the thumbnails,
looking for cool pictures, trying to figure out if this

(02:26:55):
would be engaging, if this would capture somebody's eye.

Speaker 1 (02:26:58):
My titles are still asked.

Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
I don't know if that'll ever change, but it's like
this little thing where I'm incrementally in my head getting
one percent better at certain things here and there. It
feels like I'm back when I first started potting again,
Like it feels like I'm back in that zone because
I got people in my corner, people who want the
same goal and are going for the same thing and
have the same drive. So that's my heart to heart

(02:27:21):
is just find somebody who has the same drive as you,
and you can go anywhere, Like you just have to
find those people. And once you find those people, it
becomes so much more fun again. Because for a long time,
I've been podcasting for five years and podcasting specifically about
APEX for five years. It's like, you know, at a
certain point, you just reach a level where you're like
man like, when you're not surrounded by people who are

(02:27:44):
like absolutely going as hard as you in that department,
it does start to feel like a little lonely. Like
there's those long nights where you're editing, you're like, what
the fuck am I even doing this for, Like there's
there's no reason to do this, And then now it's
like we're all trying.

Speaker 1 (02:27:58):
To go for something and feels fun. It feels cool.

Speaker 2 (02:28:01):
No idea where we're going to land, no idea how
it's going to end up. But at least I'm learning
something along the way. And so yeah, dude, that was
my heart art this weekend was just I had a
beer in my hand, just sitting back in the chair
being like that was fun as shit. My screen time's
got to be seventeen hours, but it was worth it.
Uh And so yeah, man, that was that was mine
Just grinding with the boys felt good and it brought

(02:28:24):
me back to the old days.

Speaker 3 (02:28:25):
Two things that I wanted to say too, shout out
to Jumba and Jay for basically taking what happens in
our discord all the time and be able to do
that on a live APEX broadcast with that debate, that
was one of the fun That was one of the
coolest things to watch because like, obviously we know like
how much you guys are are locked into APEX and
like how well spoken both of you are, so so

(02:28:48):
do you guys like have this debate open on air?
Just like going back and forth. I was like, damn,
like I'm not gonna lie. This is like they made
it kind of moments.

Speaker 1 (02:28:58):
Just a discord moment on TV. Yeah, yeah, it was funny.

Speaker 6 (02:29:02):
It's funny, but like to reveal the curtain the funny
thing is about it is that I know that Jay
doesn't even really disagree with that point that much like
we were we were in chatting like after and he's like,
because like you guys like everyone's messages, so like that
was like awesome, and we're like the funny thing we're like,
find a topic we really disagree on, like that would
be great, Like we couldn't think of one, but like

(02:29:24):
we found a topic that like we could really disagree on,
that would be like also able to chat about on
like a thing like that, Like the content would be
way better because, like Jay he said, he's like yeah,
because like if I really sat there and thinking, like
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (02:29:35):
Mind have deleted.

Speaker 5 (02:29:38):
He's like he's like, uh, but like and like the
reason he brought that up because at first I was
like texting you guys for like hot takes.

Speaker 6 (02:29:44):
I told you I asked freaking Bakslon for a hot take.
But then uh, I was gonna say something about like
the devotion. I was gonna talk about it being like
the low skill weapon, but I was gonna like really
hammered in that like if you compared to like everything
like p twenties mosams, like even like charge rifle when
it was hit scanned that, like I was gonna say
that Divo was still lower skilled, even if I don't

(02:30:05):
even know if I fully believe in that. I just
thought it would be something I could be strong about
and maybe there was some like counterpoints, right, And it
was funny because I said, like I go, like, Jay's like,
what did you want to debate? I bring this up
and like immediately Jamerson's behind us goes, no p twenties
and I was like, see like that. But then Jay's like,
but realistically, he's like, there's not much discussion that could
be there because basically I could say something and then

(02:30:27):
he just goes, but be twenties. And then after I
defend why not be twenties and you'll go, but mosams
and then like there's really not like that much.

Speaker 5 (02:30:34):
He's like, So we get brainstorming and he's like, just like,
what about the crypto thing?

Speaker 6 (02:30:39):
He's like, I thought that would be good that we
could have a good conversation with that, and I was like, yeah,
that actually is a good one. But I know that,
like it wasn't even something that we both fully like
really passionate disagreed on. So we're trying to play it
up a little bit to make it funny. Yeah, one
of the casters in the one of the casters in
the room said something while we were in there about
like at one point they're like, oh, like these guys

(02:30:59):
are their cryptodrone, Like they're just calling out games like
uh I saw and so then that's why I like,
when I was on broadcast, I'm like, yeah, they're just
sitting in their drone, like flying in the drone, casting
games like on set and dasking would be Yeah, so
like that's why that just came out. No, I'm because honestly,
I that day was like the longest day for me.
I was really tired and like I got off the

(02:31:20):
broadcast after and I'm like I need food, I need
to leave. And I was like, usually, like at events,
I'm a pretty social guy. I like being around people
all the time. I'm always like I see people going
to I just walk up start chatting. I'm pretty like
extrovert with that. And something in that moment, I saw
a big group of like friends of mine like in
the like fucking cafeteria and I was like I need

(02:31:43):
to go sit alone and I just need to go.
And they saw me after like why are you? Like,
why are you sitting alone? I'm like, I need five minutes.
I don't know what's going on. I just need five
minutes here.

Speaker 5 (02:31:51):
And like I thought it was bad. And then everyone
started like messaging me and saying that they liked it.
I was like, Okay, this makes me feel a little
bit better.

Speaker 1 (02:31:56):
So yeah, uh, last one hard to heart for E.

Speaker 7 (02:32:01):
I'm gonna go with old, old relive gratitude. I'm just
grateful I got. I'm gonna probably like the best spot
I've ever been in my life if I'm if like
to be like look at it from like a holistic perspective,
like I've never been better, and like one of like
I just with my family, like with my understanding of things.

Speaker 1 (02:32:26):
I'm just an incredibly blessed man.

Speaker 7 (02:32:27):
And then like see like seeing whyat camera out the
podcast and just getting it done regardless.

Speaker 1 (02:32:38):
And I had been slacking on my on my uh.

Speaker 7 (02:32:43):
My podcast grit and I was letting other things like
pop up and be like, oh I gotta gotta make sure.
I like I was okay if I miss a week,
oh I can miss this too, and so like seeing that,
I was like, man, I need to step it up.
And so I'm I'm just incredibly thankful that and the
different things that I do. I have people that I

(02:33:04):
can look to me and be like, man, like that
guy's getting it done any step of my name, and
so it's it's cool, and I'm just I'm just grateful.

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
I'm just a grateful guy. Appreciate that big dog. Well
that's awesome. Ladies, you had something.

Speaker 5 (02:33:21):
Well, do you think this should be funny?

Speaker 6 (02:33:23):
Do you guys want to hear about how a bag
services agent fucking just absolutely gaslate this shit on of
me for like fifteen minutes after seventeen and a half
hours of travel.

Speaker 1 (02:33:31):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (02:33:32):
Like this lady? So like I get to like I
get home and my bag is just not at the
freaking thing.

Speaker 8 (02:33:40):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:33:40):
I'm very used to my bag being one of the
last out because I always get to the airport really
early and so I think when you check it in first,
it comes out last. But this time I was like,
I don't think this bag's coming, and like I'm not
seeing any more bags and he said offload complete. So
I walk up to the guy and the guy's like, no,
offloading is not complete. So I go stand there front
of the ten minutes or it's like a bag has
not come down anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:33:59):
No one is around alone here.

Speaker 4 (02:34:00):
My bag is not here.

Speaker 6 (02:34:02):
So I walk up to bag like baggage services to
say like, hey, I don't think my bags here, and
so the girl types it in and everything that is
a lady.

Speaker 5 (02:34:10):
She freaking turns around.

Speaker 6 (02:34:12):
She goes, yeah, it's not here to nathen still and
I was like, shit, okay. I was like, well, like
what am I supposed to do? So I'm obviously annoyed,
but I'm annoyed about the situation, not annoying towards her.
So she pulls out like like a form, tells me
to start filling it out, and she's like yeah, you know,
like uh, sometimes you're supposed to grab it like and

(02:34:33):
like you're supposed to pick it up and then recheck it.
I was like, yeah, I go in Saudi Arabia. I
asked if I was supposed to pick it up and
they told me I wasn't supposed to. I go, and
then my sticker, the luggage tag sticker I go, says
that it's going coming straight to Toronto.

Speaker 5 (02:34:46):
So I didn't think I was supposed to.

Speaker 6 (02:34:47):
I was not supposed to like, yeah, some countries are different.
I'm like, eh, I know, I go, but like I was,
I asked. I'm like, I really did ask. I'm like,
and they told me not to, so I'm still feeling.
She's like, yeah, but some countries are different. I was like, okay,
I understand that, but I'm like, I I'm just saying
I asked, so I was not aware I was supposed
to pick it up because they told me I don't.
And then my sticker says that it's going to Toronto.

(02:35:10):
So I'm like filling out this paper and stuff like that.
She's like, well, you have to understand that, like sometimes
countries are different, and I was like I I like,
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what
you want me to tell you. At this point, I'm
like that's fine, I go, but it doesn't make sense
for this to be different.

Speaker 4 (02:35:23):
I go.

Speaker 6 (02:35:24):
When the sticker says through via Athens to Toronto and like,
I'm like and and like there I asked, and they
told me that the thing. I was like, so I'm like,
I just didn't grab it because I was told not
to grab it, and so like she's like, well, like
even here. Sometimes when our sticker says like the Final Destination,
it doesn't actually mean that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:44):
It means that you have to go pick it up.
But I go, okay, that's not true because.

Speaker 6 (02:35:46):
When I freaking and I said this to her, because
this is literally the first time it's ever happened. When
I was in Toronto, when I was going down to
Saudi Arabia, I asked the lady that there was the
gate agent here and I and I asked her, I said,
do I need to pick up my bag? She goes,
I'm gonna let you see for yourself. She shows me
the sticker. She goes, what does this say? I says,
is Saudi Arabia. She goes, So, anytime you see a
sticker and this says the Final Destination, it means you
don't have to pick up your bag. It's gonna be

(02:36:08):
transported for you. So I said this to the Sada.
I'm like, the Air Canada agent explain this to me.
I go, so, don't tell me now that like she
was wrong and this is saying Toronto and it didn't
come because I was suppoed to pet up.

Speaker 4 (02:36:17):
I'm like, I wasn't.

Speaker 6 (02:36:18):
I don't think I was supposed to pick it up
basically right. So anyways, I'm now getting a little bit
agitated because she has said this to me like five
or six times in a row. The countries are different.
She says it like again, and I was like, okay,
you want to keep seeing countries are different. I'm like,
this is not the first time I've traveled to Saudi Arabia.
I go and last time they put my bag all
the way through when I came the same way Saudi
Arabia to fucking Air Canada. And she's like, well, things

(02:36:39):
could change in a year, Like well she canna say
a year, she goes, things could change, it's the last.

Speaker 5 (02:36:42):
Time you went.

Speaker 6 (02:36:43):
I was like, okay, that's fine, and I'm just filling
out my paper and all of a sudden she hits
me with you're annoyed right now, but you were supposed
to pick up the back.

Speaker 5 (02:36:51):
I was like, lady, I'm a fucking news I'm a fucking.

Speaker 6 (02:36:58):
Seventeen and a half hour as a travel I just
finished and Ryan, you're annoyed right now, but you were
supposed to pick it.

Speaker 5 (02:37:05):
I was like, why are you saying that to me?
The sticker says Toronto I'm like, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (02:37:09):
I'm like, yeah, am I annoyed? I'm annoyed that, like,
my bag's not here. I'm like, but I haven't said
anything to you. I'm like, I'm not annoyed with you.
I'm just wouldn't be annoyed that their bag's missing. I'm like,
I'm like, what am I supposed to do? I'm like,
how do I get it back? And she's like, she's
like asked, starting to ask me for my details, and like,
I'm filling out this form but she that has the detail,
So what's your email?

Speaker 5 (02:37:27):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:37:28):
I'm like, so I'm spelling out first, She's like getting
it wrong. I'm like, here's the paper. Just read it
off the paper, right, it just filed all the information.

Speaker 5 (02:37:33):
Why are you asking me now? Like and then like
this is where she started, Like she's rage mading me
so hard. So she gives me the thing.

Speaker 6 (02:37:39):
She goes, give this to the customers agent before you leave.
I go, do I get a copy? She goes, no,
So okay, I want to copy. So I take a
picture of it. I walk up to the guy. The
guy I'm walking away. The guy goes hold on, hands.

Speaker 5 (02:37:49):
Me a copee I'm like, and just even that, just
like I was like, she didn't even know I do
get a copy. I do get it because it wouldn't
make sense. Why wouldn't I get a copy? So yeah,
she was just rage beating the crap.

Speaker 4 (02:38:00):
You just.

Speaker 3 (02:38:01):
To do their job, bro, got it?

Speaker 1 (02:38:04):
Oh, and then like the better part is know that
some countries are different though, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:38:07):
Some countries are different. So then like the other thing too.

Speaker 6 (02:38:11):
So she goes, she goes, you're gonna get an email.
The email comes through, she goes, okay, like, you know,
you can use that link at the bottom. She doesn't
say for what. She says, you can use that link
for the bottom. I'm like thinking she needs to track
because I look at it all and it says important link,
and I think that means it's a tracking link. That's
what seemed reasonable at the moment, and it was a
tracking link. But here's the thing. I get home the

(02:38:32):
next home, I'm tired as fuck, I'm annoyed. I do
whatever I tell my family about my trip.

Speaker 4 (02:38:37):
I go to bed.

Speaker 6 (02:38:37):
I wake up the next morning. I'm looking at this thing,
and I'm reading the email and it says this is
not a missing bag claim. Follow the link below to
make a missing bag claim. I was like, that's she
didn't make a missing bag clean. So I clicked the
link below and then I put in my my booking
reference and it says unable to do this, please see
a baggage service agent before you leave the airport.

Speaker 5 (02:38:57):
I'm at home.

Speaker 6 (02:38:58):
And then after I was like, okay, wait, wait, wait,
there's another code. I'm like, maybe that code has to
go in this second slot. Unable to attrack your bag
At this moment, I was like, what the fuck? So
I get on the phone. I call Bag of Servages.
Bag of Servages in Near Canada and Toronto Pearson Airport
no longer has a phone number. It's a robot that
basically tells you actually don't remember what it tells you.
In short form, it does you go fuck yourself, and
then it says goodbye and it hangs up a robot.

(02:39:19):
It's a robot that basically says, your shit out of luck,
we don't have a phone, goodbye, and it hangs up
on you.

Speaker 5 (02:39:24):
I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 (02:39:25):
So then I stand on forty five minutes, I'm on
hold with a different freaking service to try and just
get them to connect me to someone there.

Speaker 5 (02:39:32):
None of it works.

Speaker 6 (02:39:32):
I have to get in the car, drive back to
the airport. I have to walk to get the bag
of services. I had to basically just like walk through
a giant door that says do not enter, and I
just walked through it to be able to get the
bag services for a three minute conversation with the guy
going the file. They did file the missing bag claim.
I don't know why it's not working for you for
all the freaking tracking. Yeah, I'm sorry. They got rid

(02:39:53):
of all our phones. We think it's stupid too. Your
bag will be here tomorrow at eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (02:39:57):
So I got my bag back, Okay, So you did
at the back, all right? I got the back all right.

Speaker 2 (02:40:02):
Just making sure you got the back like that would
be terror, you know, it'd be funny if she like
told you all that stuff and she was just roasting
your ass and rage baiting you, and she's like, sir,
I need to go with my lunch right now.

Speaker 1 (02:40:13):
I will be right back. And then she was like
put a bag over her shoulder and it was your
fucking bag.

Speaker 5 (02:40:16):
Yeah, my back, my bag. And that was the other thing,
like like there was other stuff too that was like
just getting me urged because she was like, what type
of bag is it?

Speaker 6 (02:40:24):
So I'm thinking she wants to know the brand. So
I was like, I don't know the brand, but like
I had my parents on the food at the time,
I was like, what's the brand in the bag?

Speaker 5 (02:40:30):
Like brit back. I go brit back. She goes, no,
harder soft You didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (02:40:34):
You didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:40:34):
I'm suposed to know. You want to know it's hard
soft back. You didn't ask you that. You asked me
what type of bag? I'm thinking brand?

Speaker 6 (02:40:39):
And then she goes she goes what color? And then
I was like and then I was like, uh, I like,
so I give the color. And then she said something
else I don't remember, like fucking what the other thing was.
And then there's this fucking part on the fucking form
that wants to know if I brought bought stuff in
Saudi Arabia and what the value of it was, And
there was two lines and basically asked the exact same thing,

(02:41:01):
but I thought the second one was asking what's the
value of my stuff in the back, which was like
thousands of dollars. So she's like, put zero if you
didn't buy anything. I was like, but like, there's thousands
of dollars in that bag, so like I'm not fucking
putting zero. And then like when I need to go
claim that this bag went missing, They're like, well, you
said you had nothing in it.

Speaker 5 (02:41:18):
So we can't give you. But like, she just wasn't
explaining anything to me. She was rage baiting me. I
think she was having fun the pod.

Speaker 1 (02:41:24):
No, I think.

Speaker 7 (02:41:25):
Yeah, we fireye surprise guests for the Heart to Heart
pops at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:41:33):
Yeah, just caring for that great Oh man, Well, at
least you guys got it done. That's all that matters.
You got the bag everything. Yeah, and you learned your lesson.
You learned that some country are different, are different, and
things can change. Look at that.

Speaker 5 (02:41:50):
Look, hey, she's not wrong. Countries are different, they are.

Speaker 1 (02:41:53):
She was one hundred percent right. Actually she was.

Speaker 3 (02:41:56):
She was hanging with facts and you just didn't want
to sounds like this is a personal problem. I'm actually.

Speaker 2 (02:42:02):
I don't know, ladies, gentlemen, Thank you guys for tuning
into another episode of the Apex of podcast. Shout out
to Esports World Cup. This will conclude these Sports World
Cup series. Thank you guys. If you guys tuned into
all of the episodes. We really do appreciate you, guys.
Big shout out to y'all. And uh now we're getting

(02:42:23):
ready for a long six month stretch, a long one.
It's gonna be a long six month stretch, so bear
with us for a while here.

Speaker 5 (02:42:30):
Yeah, boys to talk about we got pro league to
talk about.

Speaker 9 (02:42:34):
That.

Speaker 1 (02:42:34):
That should.

Speaker 3 (02:42:37):
That definitely means as much as a land.

Speaker 5 (02:42:40):
We got six weeks of Pro League on this pod.
And then if the spots start coming on every two weeks,
do not be upset.

Speaker 1 (02:42:45):
Do not be upset.

Speaker 3 (02:42:46):
Do not be upset some time after October twelve ish,
if it slowsed out, you don't.

Speaker 2 (02:42:50):
Yeah, yeah, all right, well, ladies and gents, we'll catch
you guys next week for another episode of The Apex
of Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
See y'all,

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