October 9, 2025 • 37 mins
Ebony Howard has almost two decades experience in advancing racial justice through legal and policy advocacy. She has served in several management positions with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Gault Center (formerly the National Juvenile Defender Center) working to dismantle the vestiges of slavery interwoven in the criminal and juvenile legal systems. As a lover of art by and inspired by Black Americana, she brings a passion for amplifying the sacrifices, struggle, and resilience of enslaved people in America.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right. Today on Conversations with Creatives, we are talking
to Ebanie Howard from the Wall Center for Arts and
Reconciliation in Harpersville, Alabama. So we're really excited to have
a conversation with you today, Ebany, thanks for joining, Thanks
for joining us, Ebane, thank.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You for having me. I'm so excited to chat.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Absolutely so stay tuned, Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to Conversations with Creatives with the Arts Counsel. Ladies.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm Lindsay and I'm Leslie. We're super excited to have
Ebany here today. Thanks for joining us, Ebane, thanks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
For having me.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Today. We're going to get started asking you all kinds
of very deep personal questions.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Ebany. Ready, is that she pulled her hair back?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
She did?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
She's ready for Ready to go, Let's do it. Let's
first we always.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Ask a very important question, important though, Yeah, get ready
for it?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Here and I like thought long and hard about this.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Okay, he gets to come up with them. Oh and
sometimes I'm surprised, like now.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Always knowed breath? What's up? All right? If you could
have any cartoon character play you in the cartoon movie
version of your life, who would it be?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So without even thinking about you, do you know who
popped up? March Simpson for.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Some reason popped up like that, so literally the first
thing that pops in.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Why relate to March Simpson.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I didn't think so, but maybe I do. On some
unconscious level, I do. Like, you know, she's a diva. Yeah,
I've been known to be diva ish. So I got
beautiful hair, she tried bright hair. She's sensible, you know,
she takes care of business. I feel like she's not
taking stuff off a home or all the kids. I
(02:01):
feel like, Marge is it? I mean, that must be
what it is?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
She said what it had like kind of a Simpson
looking cartoon movie version.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, you're asking me questions. I've never before learning
a lot about myself, right now, that's right?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What's right came out? But you know I have two kids,
she she has three. My oldest son is a bit
like Bart Simpson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So maybe that's where this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is coming by there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
My husband is bald, but in shape, but like in
that intentional bald time, you know, you know, not just
like it just happened, what did happened?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you know what I mean? But she has helped
it along a little.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, exactly, either Comba or the you know, little bald
spot where the ring my dad has the ring.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You know, we gotta let the rings go. And that's
when my husband, twenty eight nice, right right after we got.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Married, actually just started going away.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
He just went.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So is that so all that to say? I guess
the Simpsons is what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
There, you go, that's things. I think the takes a
pretty good choice choice. Did you have one? Yeah, so
I would. I would like to say that my uh
my person would be like Daria, but in reality one
I'm more like Tina Belcher from Bobsburgers. Oh, I think
I think that both great?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yes, both great.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
First of all, I'm upset that I didn't say Linda
Belcher because because he's a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's my girl, you know. So I feel like both
of those are great options.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Absolutely. Well, Well, Daria was a show on MTV cartoon. Okay,
there you go. Don't know how you missed Daria at least.
But Tina Belcher from bobs Burgers, yes, you do. From
a little but the awkwardness of Tina no, right, it's
like the awkwardness and the boy crazy and Tina. I
don't know it very well. I'm not a big fan,
but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, well, I definitely like I would like to say Daria,
but in reality it's Tina Belcher.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Tina Belcher is pretty great. I love really but I
love her confidence. I mean I wish I wish I
had a little more of her complience. She goes for
it always. She never doubts herself.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Listen Incredibles and like Jimmy Jr. Pull it together. Tina's it.
She could do so much better than she could do
so much better. She could do so much.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I actually did. At first, I was like, who who
would be the actor that would play me in the
movie version? I did pick out a really good one, okay,
am I surprise you? Oh wow? I was thinking Beyonce.
And I know what you're thinking. She is she is
a little taller than me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
She is.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's odd. She only different, Midge taller.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's the that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Everything else, honey. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean the dance moves. She's the only one they
could do my dance.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Didn't you think Beyonce when you met Wenda actually dresses
Beyonce for Halloween one year from Lady Gaga's telephone video.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh that was her jacket.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a great Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
So I'm going to the Beyonce concert on Sunday in Atlanta,
so I will be sure to tell her I said.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Was that I know?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Is that you're gonna look at her and be like
that is lindsay same? You're gonna be doing the country
more or so?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So so it's a mix up of was it going
to be mixed?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, it's the first album which was more of like
a dance hall, well not dance hall, like a house
music okay, house music, and then the country mixed in.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You like it?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Do you like?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh Beyonce, I am the biggest Beyonce fan in the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Like I am. I am a huge Beyonce fan.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Now you're going to think about her every time you
look at me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh yes, because you're twins. Like I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Right, I've always wanted to be good friends with Beyonce,
and but now I have you, So it's like I'm good.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You are Beyonce. That's all I love.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Short Beyonce is what we'll call you, call you short Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So yeah, you're welcome. So I did think. I thought
long and hard about this last night. I love it.
There was a maybe a glass of wine, and that's
always all the good ideas. Of course there was great
all right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So Leslie, who Okay, this is the time that I
was like, maybe she'll just forget never that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Were I don't like why I can't think of any cartoons.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, I don't know why the first like you said,
the first thing that popped in my mind smurf fat.
I don't know why the blue it is, but I
maybe use the blue.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But it's just weird. She's the only girl. I would
not like to live in a world that I'm the
only girl.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So uh yeah, yeah, though you're like all the attention
is on me because maybe deep down that down I
think it's like as like a lot true. Yeah, and
you know, there would be less drama. I would be
the only one calls in the drama. I could be
I could be in a world like that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I can see it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just get away from gargle more gargam mal garglemel.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You know the movie comes out next week. Sorry, That's
probably why.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Rihanna does her voice so that he does looks like
you in the real life and does yeah, very exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Oh my god, yeah, what what is that what you're reading.
Cele's great, it's a great Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's a great But I would say Candace Cameron would
be my Oh yeah, oh, because when I was younger,
I looked like DJ Tanner DJ Yeah, DJ the younger.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah. Bigger hair, oh yeah yeah, oh the big hair man.
There was some big banks. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah something. Yeah.
I always had curly hair.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But in the episode we've seen before, my mother permed
my bang just the bangs, just the banks.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You know what they say, The higher the hair, the
closer yard.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
A man had pastors kids, and I had the big
bow even in middle school.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So she pulled me, got bow in my hair, and
I walked out the door. All the time, you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Looked adorable, You looked adorable.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I know you did love it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I know you did. I know I know you did.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
All right, so let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Let's get to business. Now that we've got gotten the
good stuff for question.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Now I know who's going to play us in those
that's right, our souls. So well, welcome to the show, Ebony.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Thank you, this is great, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Thank you. Well, let's just get you know, I want
to get to know a little bit more about you.
We call it your villain origin story, origin story story.
So so give us a little bit about like your
background and how you came to work at the at
the walls.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So, I'm originally from Louisville, Kentucky, Okay, and uh for
some reason thought Louisville was the worst place to be.
So I spent all of high school trying to figure
out how to get out of Louisville, Kentucky. Then I
went to Howard University in Washington, d C. And lived
there for uh, well you know, in d C. And
(08:57):
I lived there for seven years total because I went
to law school there. But when I was at Howard,
I was really into social justice work and actually went
to Howard because I wanted to be an activist because
I thought that's where activists went. Come to find out,
not just activist school. There are lots of different types
of people go there too, right, And so I like,
(09:18):
I had to figure out if I wanted to like
what I wanted to do after I graduated, if I
wanted to get a PhD in education, or Africana Studies
or you know whatever, and law school was on the
table because my mama was like, you need to make money, friend,
like you need to graduate and make some money.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And so I and I'm a first generation college student,
so I didn't have that many people to actually chat
with about it. So there's this woman named Marion Wright
Edelman who runs this organization called the Children's Defense Fund
that works for kids and like making sure kids have
all that they need. And I thought to myself, who's
(10:02):
doing what I would want to do or something like
I would want to do, and it was her, And
she went to law school.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I went to law school.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So calculus was that like Mariam right, Lulderman went.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
To law school.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So I went to law school and to Georgetown and
then did work in juvenile justice work. And then my
husband and I had met at Howard. We dated my
third year of law school. He's from Huey Town. Actually, wow, yeah,
so Weston and Huey Town, and so we got engaged
(10:34):
my third year, no, sorry, we dated my third year.
I moved back to Louisville, he moved back here, and
then we got engaged, and it was like whoever got
the job first would move race.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It was a race. It was a race.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And then I got the job at the Southern Poverty
Law Center in Montgomery, so I moved here. So that's
how I got here. Been here ever since I was
two thousand and nine. I've worked at s PLC. Also
was an assistant Federal Public defender in Birmingham, and then
I worked for a policy organization called the Galt Center
used to be the National Juvenile Defender Center, and so
(11:14):
you know, did a lot of like litigation, a lot
of policy work, and all the time. He was just
like really interested in history and civil rights work, but
also have always just been a creative inside me, just
being hampered by legal lees and writing and all that
other stuff that's necessary, but still just like not as
(11:38):
you know, there's not a place for it in the
legal space. So I learned about the opening at the
Wallace Center at the end of last year, and I
was like, this is interesting, and you know, the organization,
you know, deals with art and history and preserving history
and racial reconciliation, and so I thought would be a
(12:00):
good opportunity to sort of flex some of my creative muscles.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So here I am.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wow. I love that. That's awesome. I mean, I bet
you have a lot of stories, especially dealing with like
the nal quirks. Yes, but you've seen a lot of things.
I bet.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, Apa, if I got in trouble, I would definitely
want you on my side.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Thank you, and I'd say here of you.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I would, right, yeah, I would. I would want
Marge Simpson. Yeah, yeah, absolutely awesome. So you've been at
the wall Center for about seven months now. So what
is like one of your favorite things about I mean
I've only been there one time, but so what's one
of your favorite things about like working there?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
So you know, the the the thing about the Walla
Center is that it's a descendant led organization. And so
for people who don't know, it's in Harpersville, Alabama. It's
six on six acres of what used to be the
Wallace Plantation and the plantation house is still there. It's
it's preserved. But the organization was created by the excuse me,
(13:05):
the organization was created by the descendants of people who
were enslaves there and the white descendants of the slaveholders.
So these two unlikely people came together to create this
organization to preserve the history, but then also like have
really honest and direct conversations towards healing and repair and
(13:26):
connecting with each other. And that has to be my
favorite part about just watching these two groups of people
who had absolutely no reason and want to wade into
this like to want to wade into having difficult conversations
about enslavement and racism and all these.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Things that happened.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But they find a commonality in a way to do that,
and they oftentimes use art as a way to bridge
the gap between the two of them. And so one
of my favorite events was an event that Lindsay was
at that was connected to this, to this exhibit we
have coming out with this organization called SO Their Names,
(14:08):
and it was the descendant community as well as folks
from SO their Names. They came down from Mount Willing
and we were all in this room together and we
had this project where we took swatches of fabric and
embroidered the names of people who were enslaved on the
(14:29):
land in eighteen seventy. Well they lived on the land
and had been enslaved there and were newly free, like
thirty five people we sat together and broughdered their names
on these squatches of fabric. And it was fun because
so many of us had no clue how I was
going to say, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Something, I am.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I am lucky if I can like stitch together the
two little things, right, Like I had the nervous tell somebody, well,
I mendo sock and he was like, oh, that's good.
I was like, oh, when I say mendo sock, I
mean I can close a hole, right, And it's not like.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I can't actually like cry exactly, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, So so many of us like had no clue
what we were doing, right, and these very patient, lovely
women from Sow their names like taught us.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And when I say us, it was me, it was Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was like the descendent community people from our board
of all ages.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh yeah, there was a little boy there. There was
a little.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Boy who she yes, he did.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
He was probably like eight or nine, and like he
was stitching. And just like the laughter and the like
joy that everybody had from just being in each other's
company and with each other just reminded me of being
with my own family and how like like you know
how when you're with people that you really love and
(15:56):
you can laugh and like the laughter just comes from
deep in your belly and up and out and it's
just the best feeling in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I had that feeling there.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And I just I just I just absolutely love that
kinship that's present with the Wallace Center.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was such a cool experience for me too, because
I just really I just want to know a little
bit more about this. So their name is Project and everything,
and so Jennifer had invited me down there, and so
Chris Cruz, another instructor from the Arts Council, came with me,
and I mean, we just had the best time and
everyone was just so open to us. It was just
so nice. That's just like, come on, grab a needle,
(16:31):
grab some thread, let's do this. Yeah. I have very
limited embroidery skills, and so they're just like pick out
a name and go yeah, I think, and we'll share
some pictures of the blox and stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But they're very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It was really cool because I mean it's like you're
on handwriting, but everybody looks so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Different, right right, So, and I have to tell you, like,
so when we finished, I text one of my good friends,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Nicole, I found my new hobby.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It's embroidering, and I taking one home with me because
I didn't finish it. And I was like, look, this
is so great. I'm gonna like this might be something
I do. And she looked at it and she said, Ebany, girl, no, no,
she said no, she said absolutely not friend.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And then my husband, I was like, I'm going to buy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It a a a kit.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
John John is my bald husband, and I said I'm
gonna buy a kit and he was like, Ebony, your
hobby is wine. You just stay with My baby is wine.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So I was a little delusional, but I had lots
of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That's right. It was a really great experience. It was
a great day, built your confidence. She thought, you're that
was it? Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah. So I have questions which I should have gone
that day. I can't remember what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I was supposed to go do you write? Do you
write your thing?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
First?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And then brought over it, see you know what you're doing?
Well I don't really.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's just when when you said your own likes, it's
like you're on and I was like envisioning them like
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, some people did cursive and sometimes yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Know, some very skilled people did cursive.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Of us did big big blocks.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, a lot of letters, big hard And so there
is actually another sculpture that is on site, and I
love the sculpture so well. I did not take a
single picture of it. I'm so mad at myself. I
found some pictures online. But it is called with Love
for Grief, and grief is actually a person that was
slaved on the property, I think briefly, I think was yeah, yes,
(18:37):
and the sculptures by Elizabeth M. Webb and she was
an artist in residence at the Wall Law Center. And
it's it's really cool. It's it's like five columns.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's four yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So the sculpture is four columns, and the four columns
were the original four columns on the porch of the house.
And the background about the four columns is that in
the early nineteen hundreds, actors who were in the movie
Birth of a Nation would like kind of hang out
on the on the porch.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And if you've seen Birth of a Nation or.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Heard about it, it basically paints black Americans and a
really disparaging light and then kind of.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Hails the k KK as like heroes. So you were,
oh DearS right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And so I want to watch this right exactly, exactly exactly, and.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So so long ago is this movie? It was made early?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was made in nineteen Yes, it's made, Yes, a
long time ago. I do not not right, I think
got it. So, but like a lot of the actors
would like hang around the house and like they would
write their names on these columns. Right, So with grief,
(19:56):
the sculpture. The sculpture is the four columns that have
that had a lot of gaps in them, and so
Elizabeth Webb, the sculptor, had sass Furnace pour aluminum into
the gaps to fortify it. Right, And then at our
homecoming celebration, which is this annual thing that we do
(20:16):
where all the all the descendants come back to the house,
they inscribe their names onto the aluminum. And then we
also inscribed the names of the thirty or thirty five
people who lived on the wallace land who were formerly
enslaved onto the aluminum also, And so the four columns
(20:38):
stand with both sets of names inscribed on them.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And like Lindsay was.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Saying, one of the names found on the eighteen seventy
census was a young man who was twenty eight a
farmer named Grief. Wow, and you have to just think
about like what a mother is going through to name
their child house, right, you know, I mean yes, you know.
I always tell people I have two sons. One of
(21:04):
them is named Stokely after Silkely Comradchael. The other one
is named Jackson off of a random character and a
romance novel I read. But it means something to me.
That is my ultimate point, right, and so you know, uh,
Salem Webb, I'm sorry, Salem Green, excuse me, who is
a poet laureate in Birmingham and actually just wrote a
book called The Other Revival. She wrote a poem for grief,
(21:30):
and the poem just is Too Is Too Grief tells
Grief how much we appreciate him, we love him, we
revere him, And so the sculpture is named with love
for Grief for that reason. And then afterwards we started
a scholarship program because the descendant community wanted to, you know,
(21:53):
make make repair by providing educational opportunity to people in
the area like Vincent and Harpersville. So it's actually open
to that whole community.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Wow, yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's just a really beautiful sculpture.
Like I walked out there too because I didn't know
what it was, and so I just saw the names
on it and then I was like, those are the
names are stitching on? Yeah, and so then Jennifer came
out there and talked about it a little bit. So
that was just, you know, such a beautiful, you know,
beautiful way to honor honor people that. Yeah, it's so
(22:28):
cool and we've actually so sylam Green she was actually
the teaching poet for Writing Our Stories at Vincent one year,
so there you can see some pictures on the website.
Because of Writing our Stories as a program that the
Arts Council right actually support and so the kids actually
got to go back to the Wallace Center and performed
(22:49):
their poet poems poems and it was called land as
persona Mini Paths to the Present. That's the name of
the book because they get their bound an thoughts, so
that that's the name of their anthel. I used pictures
of that, yes, yeah, because we do it at Columbiaana
Middle School and I always go over to the program
and oh, I think the kids get to read their
(23:10):
poems out loud, and then we take a bunch of
copies back to the Arts Council.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
What a lovely program, What absolutely lovely program. And I
just have to say, I might be the president of
the Salem Green Fan Club. I encourage everybody go buy
her The Upthervivle by Salem Green. She's amazing. She is
the best, best person, best spirit ever.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And where can we buy her book?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You can buy her book on Amazon. Amazon, I think
that's the that's the best place to actually find it
right now, So you can get it on Amazon and
coo buy it right now?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
What's it called again?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
The other Revival?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Other Revival?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And I'll just say, I mean, like, as her fan
club president, I just have to say, it is a
book of poems, right, and it is. These poems came
about from conversations that she had with the Descendant community
in Harpersville, and and you know, of course other conversations also.
But it's just a beautiful work of art that captures
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joy and resilience and strength, right and just and just
It's just something that every human being can connect to,
because every human being wants to experience newness and and
and and like a revival and a new birth right,
and so I just think.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That it's just food for the soul.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So wow, it's really good. And she was there the
day that we were sitting on the blox inspiration for
a new poem. And yeah, so that was really neat.
It's really neat. That was really neat. Nice. So let's
talk a little bit about the So their name is
exhibit that's going to be on display at the Shelby
County Arts Council. Yeah, really excited to act seeing the
altars of it. Now, we have a quilte from Winnie
(24:51):
McQueen yep. And Evon well she yes, she has a
quilt and she does Charlie Lucas, which we've shown Evon
Wells and Charlie Lucas's work in our gallery and we
had I mean, their work is gorgeous and ye Avon's
quilts are gigantic, gigantic stories. Yes, they're just story quilts exactly.
They were in our exhibit. Paul Barrett walked around one
(25:14):
day and told me the story of every single quint
so oh yeah, yeah, So they're they're just so cool,
they're so intriguing.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
They are Hey, that can be your next hobby, right
quill Sure, that's uh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It incimitates me safe, you know, going in what looking
at those quilts.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It's so intense.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So so I didn't even understand the magnitude of quilting
before I came to the Wallace Center, right, Like I
I did not understand one that they could be so huge.
I didn't understand like the artistry and then like the
storytelling that's involved in it, and how it's just very
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much a part of like various cultures, right, like black
culture and Southern culture, and just like just just just
like I'm sure there are other you know, like groups too,
rit and so I would love for it to be
a hobby.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I don't think that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Happen, right, right.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And what's lovely about so their names is that their
story is really similar to the Wallace Center story. So
the organization is in Lowndes County and in uh the
unincorporated town of Mount Willing. The projects started with Hopewell
Baptist Church and they had come across the names of
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people who were enslaved in that area, and they started
off their project doing exactly what they did with us,
taking like three by five pocket squares of fabric and
embroidering the names of people who had been enslaved in
that area and creating these quilts. And now they go
from place to place helping people do that same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And there's just something so.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
One the therapeutic about quilting, you know, like like most
forms of sewing or knitting, that's just there's just something
so calming about the repetitive nature.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I wish I could do it so I could be calm.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Or like you or just watching it is like really sure,
you know, therapeutic, So like there's something about that. But
then there's also just something so empowering about when these
women get together, like five, ten, fifteen of them sitting
around and just quilting together and like quilting together these
pieces of fabric that hold this history. And then when
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they invite other people to come and join them or
you know, watch them, just watching them sort of unify
and solidify these memories and like memorializing these people, it's
just so powerful and it just.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Feels like so.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know, like taking from the past to really empower
you to move into the future. And so what they're
doing for us is, you know, they did one workshop
that Lindsay came to, where you know, we've talked about
how we made these patches. We're going to have a
second workshop that we would love for people to come to.
It's going to be on August ninth at ten o'clock
and they're going to actually take the squares that we
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started at the first workshop and put them together to
make a quilt top. Okay, so in case y'all didn't know,
making a quilt has multiple steps.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
As multiple steps, so a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So what we're going to have is a culting top, right,
that's going to consist of our names, and they've figured out.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A pattern that's gonna work for us.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
And so the Walla Center will have our top done
in time for a exhibit that we're going to install
at the Arts Council. It's going to have all the
beautiful quiltes that Lindsay just mentioned, a couple of other
cults from so their names as well as the top.
We went together and I believe we said it's going
to be October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's thank You sixteenth. Our gallery receptions are so we're
sixteen brant. It's going to go until November twentieth.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Perfect, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It'll be the last exhibit of the year of the year, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And it'll be the last thing I do before I
fall out from the year.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So you get a holiday, yeah, right, lots of wine
my hobby, yes, e extent, Yes, wine at the opening two. Yes,
I always appreciate it. Matterwillin I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So yeah, so that's so. That's so.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Their names were so we're so so excited, so thankful
for the for the partnership with the Arts Council.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Was so their names and.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm excited to see this out because I know just
so they put it that they put all the names
that y'all did that day and make it a quilt
top with those names. Yes, yes, I didn't know if
it was like a couple of names per like quilt
or they're.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Just it's going to be one right right where right?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
So I think think that what they're going to do
is they're going to probably group them into like groups
of nine and then you know, have some other pieces
that is right.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
To make it large enough. Got it that it's impressive
looking really pretty, I think.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
So I got to see pictures of them and they yeah, yeah,
they're really really nice.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, I mean they say their name project. It's just
so interesting because it was started by Reverend Bracks and
the judge whose name I cannot think.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I can't either, Blake.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think it's on the website of Judge Judge. I
can judge.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
We can put it in the in the notes and
of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Maybe maybe Philip can like flash it across the screen.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
There we go. That's perfect, Thanks Philip.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
But they started this project together, and I just, I mean,
I just love how it really embodies community. Yeah, and
just like really remembering like where we came from, where
other people came from, just remembering their past and how
important that is. Yes, you know, support our community, to
strengthen our communities. Yeah, it was like it was just
really cool. I just felt so honored to be included.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That was to thank you for summing, and you know,
I didn't know what to inspect in fact, and these uh,
these culture ladies, they just like it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Was so patient. It is so sad.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
When I tell you, I cannot exphasize how ridiculous it was. Okay,
there was one lady I'm not gonna say her name,
miss Perkins, but she did one passion said oh, I
don't throw my back out.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Your kindred spirits, Miss Perkins. We had the table that
was laughing and having fun and then.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
We're like serious, I know right, Yeah, first turned out
like eight blocks.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes, you did four of them done?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, like a machine. Yeah serious, great she she serious.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, I got three done and I had won the
one I took home to my friend and I'm ashamed
to take it back just like somebody else. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
I do poly thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Finally, people were like, what's the name of the least letters?
And there was one, I think it was Hezekiah. Yeah,
and I was like, you know what, I'll just do it.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Just do it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You take Hezekiah. Thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Because I was like, no one's going to take poor Hezekiah.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'll just do it. Yeah. They were, I mean, they're
just so beautiful. You know. It was just a great
way to to let people know like you're not.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Forgotten, right, you know, we will never for we honor you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That was just such a cool experience and I hope
more people will come to the next workshop, and I
hope they come out to the exhibit and just really
you know, can see see this beautiful memorial.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Okay, so again this workshop, Yeah, you don't have to
know how to quill.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
The you know, you don't have to know anything. As
evidence by me, you don't have to know anything. You
can just come.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You can just serve and have snacks and follow ship
and hang out. If you want to help with the
quilting then like that's completely fine. But but it's it's
it's what the kids say is a vibe.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You know what I'm saying. It's a vibe.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
It's a real relaxing, chill, familial vibe that you know.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We just want everybody to experience.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah, that's as Olive Garden says when you're here your family.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Amen, it's all of It's an Olive Vibe podcast sponsored.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You wish Olive Garden. If you want to, they're available.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Come sponsor the workshop that day and let me tell it,
Olive Garden great time.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Say sponsored five.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's right, the Alabamas had counsel on the arts and
Olive Garden.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I love it so much, boy, make that happen.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
We should. Yeah, I'm not sure what the you know, like, hey,
Olive garden.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We're coming for you. That's true.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
That's true, that Sue is true.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm gonna start tagging them and everything. Oh my god,
that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Until they that would be amazing, be like who is this? Okay? Fine, right,
takes the bread sticks.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Take the price. I would them our important history here, right,
love it? Love it, love it, love love it? Awesome?
Was great? Yeah, this was great.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Thank you so much for having this is so much fun.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It was you. I could listen to you talk all day.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I've been calming about you, and I mean, I'm like
a lawyer, huh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You just kind of calmly tell them what you want.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And that probably didn't always work out quite that way.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I tried a couple of times. A couple of times
they were like nice, but bye, thanks.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But I appreciate the compliments you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Absolutely, and they can people can come visit you at
the walls spill. What are your hours there?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
So actually we're by appointment only, okay, right, And so
if you want to talking camera, you want to visit
the Wallace in there, go to Wallace Arts dot org
and check us out there. There is a link there
to click to see to request a tour and we
would love to see you. You can also catch us
on Instagram Wallace Arts eighteen forty one and we're also
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on Facebook under Wallace UH Wallace Center for Arts and Reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So the sound so please good, thanks, and then come
to the Shelby County Arts Counciltober sixth stats by free,
say eight pm. We will have snacks, we will have
wine wine well and so does then the beautiful and
the beautiful, then the beautiful quilts, and we'll hand the
vibes and vibe we'll have. It'll be a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It'll be a vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It'll be a vibe. We have a vibe. We have
a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Are there's definitely a vibe the vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Who's in the Arts Council of the time exactly. It
could be a different vibe.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
We're a vibe, but there's one there, there's all.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah. And then it'll be on display through November twentieth,
so you got plenty of time to come out and
see us.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Hey, the temperatures will be better.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yes, thank God, please come fall quickly now today Jesus,
you know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And there's no air conditioning in the wall of center
right there. Do now there is now a look, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That that didn't happen for you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It was like the day we're there, it happened to
be a beautiful day. Yes, may so it may go
one of two ways. So we hasn't had air conditioner.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Just right, so right right, So I'll just say really
quickly that the Wallace House does not have plumbing in it.
It has electricity. But we just got air conditioning and
actually got it the week.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
After shoutable day, so we say, yeah, it might have
been she's bye.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, she's good, she's good.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Thank god. We thank God for that awesome. Thanks again,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
For having you guys so much fun.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
We look forward to seeing you guys out the Arts
Council to see how these beautiful works and come to
the reception.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And please follow us on Spotify, We're on Apple Podcasts,
and you can always find us on YouTube and at
Shelby Countyartscouncil dot com. So thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Thank youe bye
All right. Today on Conversations with Creatives, we are talking
to Ebanie Howard from the Wall Center for Arts and
Reconciliation in Harpersville, Alabama. So we're really excited to have
a conversation with you today, Ebany, thanks for joining, Thanks
for joining us, Ebane, thank.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You for having me. I'm so excited to chat.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Absolutely so stay tuned, Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to Conversations with Creatives with the Arts Counsel. Ladies.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm Lindsay and I'm Leslie. We're super excited to have
Ebany here today. Thanks for joining us, Ebane, thanks.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
For having me.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Today. We're going to get started asking you all kinds
of very deep personal questions.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Ebany. Ready, is that she pulled her hair back?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
She did?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
She's ready for Ready to go, Let's do it. Let's
first we always.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Ask a very important question, important though, Yeah, get ready
for it?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Here and I like thought long and hard about this.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Okay, he gets to come up with them. Oh and
sometimes I'm surprised, like now.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Always knowed breath? What's up? All right? If you could
have any cartoon character play you in the cartoon movie
version of your life, who would it be?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So without even thinking about you, do you know who
popped up? March Simpson for.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Some reason popped up like that, so literally the first
thing that pops in.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Why relate to March Simpson.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I didn't think so, but maybe I do. On some
unconscious level, I do. Like, you know, she's a diva. Yeah,
I've been known to be diva ish. So I got
beautiful hair, she tried bright hair. She's sensible, you know,
she takes care of business. I feel like she's not
taking stuff off a home or all the kids. I
(02:01):
feel like, Marge is it? I mean, that must be
what it is?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
She said what it had like kind of a Simpson
looking cartoon movie version.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, you're asking me questions. I've never before learning
a lot about myself, right now, that's right?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What's right came out? But you know I have two kids,
she she has three. My oldest son is a bit
like Bart Simpson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So maybe that's where this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is coming by there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
My husband is bald, but in shape, but like in
that intentional bald time, you know, you know, not just
like it just happened, what did happened?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you know what I mean? But she has helped
it along a little.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, exactly, either Comba or the you know, little bald
spot where the ring my dad has the ring.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You know, we gotta let the rings go. And that's
when my husband, twenty eight nice, right right after we got.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Married, actually just started going away.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
He just went.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So is that so all that to say? I guess
the Simpsons is what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
There, you go, that's things. I think the takes a
pretty good choice choice. Did you have one? Yeah, so
I would. I would like to say that my uh
my person would be like Daria, but in reality one
I'm more like Tina Belcher from Bobsburgers. Oh, I think
I think that both great?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yes, both great.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
First of all, I'm upset that I didn't say Linda
Belcher because because he's a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's my girl, you know. So I feel like both
of those are great options.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Absolutely. Well, Well, Daria was a show on MTV cartoon. Okay,
there you go. Don't know how you missed Daria at least.
But Tina Belcher from bobs Burgers, yes, you do. From
a little but the awkwardness of Tina no, right, it's
like the awkwardness and the boy crazy and Tina. I
don't know it very well. I'm not a big fan,
but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, well, I definitely like I would like to say Daria,
but in reality it's Tina Belcher.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Tina Belcher is pretty great. I love really but I
love her confidence. I mean I wish I wish I
had a little more of her complience. She goes for
it always. She never doubts herself.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Listen Incredibles and like Jimmy Jr. Pull it together. Tina's it.
She could do so much better than she could do
so much better. She could do so much.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I actually did. At first, I was like, who who
would be the actor that would play me in the
movie version? I did pick out a really good one, okay,
am I surprise you? Oh wow? I was thinking Beyonce.
And I know what you're thinking. She is she is
a little taller than me.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
She is.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's odd. She only different, Midge taller.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's the that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Everything else, honey. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean the dance moves. She's the only one they
could do my dance.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Didn't you think Beyonce when you met Wenda actually dresses
Beyonce for Halloween one year from Lady Gaga's telephone video.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh that was her jacket.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's a great Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
So I'm going to the Beyonce concert on Sunday in Atlanta,
so I will be sure to tell her I said.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Was that I know?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Is that you're gonna look at her and be like
that is lindsay same? You're gonna be doing the country
more or so?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So so it's a mix up of was it going
to be mixed?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, it's the first album which was more of like
a dance hall, well not dance hall, like a house
music okay, house music, and then the country mixed in.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You like it?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Do you like?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh Beyonce, I am the biggest Beyonce fan in the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Like I am. I am a huge Beyonce fan.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Now you're going to think about her every time you
look at me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh yes, because you're twins. Like I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Right, I've always wanted to be good friends with Beyonce,
and but now I have you, So it's like I'm good.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You are Beyonce. That's all I love.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Short Beyonce is what we'll call you, call you short Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So yeah, you're welcome. So I did think. I thought
long and hard about this last night. I love it.
There was a maybe a glass of wine, and that's
always all the good ideas. Of course there was great
all right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So Leslie, who Okay, this is the time that I
was like, maybe she'll just forget never that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Were I don't like why I can't think of any cartoons.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, I don't know why the first like you said,
the first thing that popped in my mind smurf fat.
I don't know why the blue it is, but I
maybe use the blue.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But it's just weird. She's the only girl. I would
not like to live in a world that I'm the
only girl.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So uh yeah, yeah, though you're like all the attention
is on me because maybe deep down that down I
think it's like as like a lot true. Yeah, and
you know, there would be less drama. I would be
the only one calls in the drama. I could be
I could be in a world like that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I can see it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just get away from gargle more gargam mal garglemel.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
You know the movie comes out next week. Sorry, That's
probably why.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Rihanna does her voice so that he does looks like
you in the real life and does yeah, very exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Oh my god, yeah, what what is that what you're reading.
Cele's great, it's a great Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's a great But I would say Candace Cameron would
be my Oh yeah, oh, because when I was younger,
I looked like DJ Tanner DJ Yeah, DJ the younger.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah. Bigger hair, oh yeah yeah, oh the big hair man.
There was some big banks. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah something. Yeah.
I always had curly hair.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But in the episode we've seen before, my mother permed
my bang just the bangs, just the banks.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You know what they say, The higher the hair, the
closer yard.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
A man had pastors kids, and I had the big
bow even in middle school.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So she pulled me, got bow in my hair, and
I walked out the door. All the time, you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Looked adorable, You looked adorable.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I know you did love it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I know you did. I know I know you did.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
All right, so let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Let's get to business. Now that we've got gotten the
good stuff for question.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Now I know who's going to play us in those
that's right, our souls. So well, welcome to the show, Ebony.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Thank you, this is great, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Thank you. Well, let's just get you know, I want
to get to know a little bit more about you.
We call it your villain origin story, origin story story.
So so give us a little bit about like your
background and how you came to work at the at
the walls.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So, I'm originally from Louisville, Kentucky, Okay, and uh for
some reason thought Louisville was the worst place to be.
So I spent all of high school trying to figure
out how to get out of Louisville, Kentucky. Then I
went to Howard University in Washington, d C. And lived
there for uh, well you know, in d C. And
(08:57):
I lived there for seven years total because I went
to law school there. But when I was at Howard,
I was really into social justice work and actually went
to Howard because I wanted to be an activist because
I thought that's where activists went. Come to find out,
not just activist school. There are lots of different types
of people go there too, right, And so I like,
(09:18):
I had to figure out if I wanted to like
what I wanted to do after I graduated, if I
wanted to get a PhD in education, or Africana Studies
or you know whatever, and law school was on the
table because my mama was like, you need to make money, friend,
like you need to graduate and make some money.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And so I and I'm a first generation college student,
so I didn't have that many people to actually chat
with about it. So there's this woman named Marion Wright
Edelman who runs this organization called the Children's Defense Fund
that works for kids and like making sure kids have
all that they need. And I thought to myself, who's
(10:02):
doing what I would want to do or something like
I would want to do, and it was her, And
she went to law school.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I went to law school.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So calculus was that like Mariam right, Lulderman went.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
To law school.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So I went to law school and to Georgetown and
then did work in juvenile justice work. And then my
husband and I had met at Howard. We dated my
third year of law school. He's from Huey Town. Actually, wow, yeah,
so Weston and Huey Town, and so we got engaged
(10:34):
my third year, no, sorry, we dated my third year.
I moved back to Louisville, he moved back here, and
then we got engaged, and it was like whoever got
the job first would move race.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It was a race. It was a race.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And then I got the job at the Southern Poverty
Law Center in Montgomery, so I moved here. So that's
how I got here. Been here ever since I was
two thousand and nine. I've worked at s PLC. Also
was an assistant Federal Public defender in Birmingham, and then
I worked for a policy organization called the Galt Center
used to be the National Juvenile Defender Center, and so
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you know, did a lot of like litigation, a lot
of policy work, and all the time. He was just
like really interested in history and civil rights work, but
also have always just been a creative inside me, just
being hampered by legal lees and writing and all that
other stuff that's necessary, but still just like not as
(11:38):
you know, there's not a place for it in the
legal space. So I learned about the opening at the
Wallace Center at the end of last year, and I
was like, this is interesting, and you know, the organization,
you know, deals with art and history and preserving history
and racial reconciliation, and so I thought would be a
(12:00):
good opportunity to sort of flex some of my creative muscles.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So here I am.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wow. I love that. That's awesome. I mean, I bet
you have a lot of stories, especially dealing with like
the nal quirks. Yes, but you've seen a lot of things.
I bet.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, Apa, if I got in trouble, I would definitely
want you on my side.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Thank you, and I'd say here of you.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I would, right, yeah, I would. I would want
Marge Simpson. Yeah, yeah, absolutely awesome. So you've been at
the wall Center for about seven months now. So what
is like one of your favorite things about I mean
I've only been there one time, but so what's one
of your favorite things about like working there?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
So you know, the the the thing about the Walla
Center is that it's a descendant led organization. And so
for people who don't know, it's in Harpersville, Alabama. It's
six on six acres of what used to be the
Wallace Plantation and the plantation house is still there. It's
it's preserved. But the organization was created by the excuse me,
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the organization was created by the descendants of people who
were enslaves there and the white descendants of the slaveholders.
So these two unlikely people came together to create this
organization to preserve the history, but then also like have
really honest and direct conversations towards healing and repair and
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connecting with each other. And that has to be my
favorite part about just watching these two groups of people
who had absolutely no reason and want to wade into
this like to want to wade into having difficult conversations
about enslavement and racism and all these.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Things that happened.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But they find a commonality in a way to do that,
and they oftentimes use art as a way to bridge
the gap between the two of them. And so one
of my favorite events was an event that Lindsay was
at that was connected to this, to this exhibit we
have coming out with this organization called SO Their Names,
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and it was the descendant community as well as folks
from SO their Names. They came down from Mount Willing
and we were all in this room together and we
had this project where we took swatches of fabric and
embroidered the names of people who were enslaved on the
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land in eighteen seventy. Well they lived on the land
and had been enslaved there and were newly free, like
thirty five people we sat together and broughdered their names
on these squatches of fabric. And it was fun because
so many of us had no clue how I was
going to say, let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Something, I am.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I am lucky if I can like stitch together the
two little things, right, Like I had the nervous tell somebody, well,
I mendo sock and he was like, oh, that's good.
I was like, oh, when I say mendo sock, I
mean I can close a hole, right, And it's not like.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I can't actually like cry exactly, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, So so many of us like had no clue
what we were doing, right, and these very patient, lovely
women from Sow their names like taught us.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And when I say us, it was me, it was Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was like the descendent community people from our board
of all ages.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh yeah, there was a little boy there. There was
a little.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Boy who she yes, he did.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
He was probably like eight or nine, and like he
was stitching. And just like the laughter and the like
joy that everybody had from just being in each other's
company and with each other just reminded me of being
with my own family and how like like you know
how when you're with people that you really love and
(15:56):
you can laugh and like the laughter just comes from
deep in your belly and up and out and it's
just the best feeling in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I had that feeling there.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And I just I just I just absolutely love that
kinship that's present with the Wallace Center.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was such a cool experience for me too, because
I just really I just want to know a little
bit more about this. So their name is Project and everything,
and so Jennifer had invited me down there, and so
Chris Cruz, another instructor from the Arts Council, came with me,
and I mean, we just had the best time and
everyone was just so open to us. It was just
so nice. That's just like, come on, grab a needle,
(16:31):
grab some thread, let's do this. Yeah. I have very
limited embroidery skills, and so they're just like pick out
a name and go yeah, I think, and we'll share
some pictures of the blox and stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But they're very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It was really cool because I mean it's like you're
on handwriting, but everybody looks so.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Different, right right, So, and I have to tell you, like,
so when we finished, I text one of my good friends,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Nicole, I found my new hobby.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It's embroidering, and I taking one home with me because
I didn't finish it. And I was like, look, this
is so great. I'm gonna like this might be something
I do. And she looked at it and she said, Ebany, girl, no, no,
she said no, she said absolutely not friend.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And then my husband, I was like, I'm going to buy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It a a a kit.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
John John is my bald husband, and I said I'm
gonna buy a kit and he was like, Ebony, your
hobby is wine. You just stay with My baby is wine.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So I was a little delusional, but I had lots
of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That's right. It was a really great experience. It was
a great day, built your confidence. She thought, you're that
was it? Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah. So I have questions which I should have gone
that day. I can't remember what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I was supposed to go do you write? Do you
write your thing?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
First?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And then brought over it, see you know what you're doing?
Well I don't really.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's just when when you said your own likes, it's
like you're on and I was like envisioning them like
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, some people did cursive and sometimes yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Know, some very skilled people did cursive.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Of us did big big blocks.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, a lot of letters, big hard And so there
is actually another sculpture that is on site, and I
love the sculpture so well. I did not take a
single picture of it. I'm so mad at myself. I
found some pictures online. But it is called with Love
for Grief, and grief is actually a person that was
slaved on the property, I think briefly, I think was yeah, yes,
(18:37):
and the sculptures by Elizabeth M. Webb and she was
an artist in residence at the Wall Law Center. And
it's it's really cool. It's it's like five columns.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's four yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So the sculpture is four columns, and the four columns
were the original four columns on the porch of the house.
And the background about the four columns is that in
the early nineteen hundreds, actors who were in the movie
Birth of a Nation would like kind of hang out
on the on the porch.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And if you've seen Birth of a Nation or.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Heard about it, it basically paints black Americans and a
really disparaging light and then kind of.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Hails the k KK as like heroes. So you were,
oh DearS right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
And so I want to watch this right exactly, exactly exactly, and.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So so long ago is this movie? It was made early?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
It was made in nineteen Yes, it's made, Yes, a
long time ago. I do not not right, I think
got it. So, but like a lot of the actors
would like hang around the house and like they would
write their names on these columns. Right, So with grief,
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the sculpture. The sculpture is the four columns that have
that had a lot of gaps in them, and so
Elizabeth Webb, the sculptor, had sass Furnace pour aluminum into
the gaps to fortify it. Right, And then at our
homecoming celebration, which is this annual thing that we do
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where all the all the descendants come back to the house,
they inscribe their names onto the aluminum. And then we
also inscribed the names of the thirty or thirty five
people who lived on the wallace land who were formerly
enslaved onto the aluminum also, And so the four columns
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stand with both sets of names inscribed on them.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And like Lindsay was.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Saying, one of the names found on the eighteen seventy
census was a young man who was twenty eight a
farmer named Grief. Wow, and you have to just think
about like what a mother is going through to name
their child house, right, you know, I mean yes, you know.
I always tell people I have two sons. One of
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them is named Stokely after Silkely Comradchael. The other one
is named Jackson off of a random character and a
romance novel I read. But it means something to me.
That is my ultimate point, right, and so you know, uh,
Salem Webb, I'm sorry, Salem Green, excuse me, who is
a poet laureate in Birmingham and actually just wrote a
book called The Other Revival. She wrote a poem for grief,
(21:30):
and the poem just is Too Is Too Grief tells
Grief how much we appreciate him, we love him, we
revere him, And so the sculpture is named with love
for Grief for that reason. And then afterwards we started
a scholarship program because the descendant community wanted to, you know,
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make make repair by providing educational opportunity to people in
the area like Vincent and Harpersville. So it's actually open
to that whole community.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Wow, yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's just a really beautiful sculpture.
Like I walked out there too because I didn't know
what it was, and so I just saw the names
on it and then I was like, those are the
names are stitching on? Yeah, and so then Jennifer came
out there and talked about it a little bit. So
that was just, you know, such a beautiful, you know,
beautiful way to honor honor people that. Yeah, it's so
(22:28):
cool and we've actually so sylam Green she was actually
the teaching poet for Writing Our Stories at Vincent one year,
so there you can see some pictures on the website.
Because of Writing our Stories as a program that the
Arts Council right actually support and so the kids actually
got to go back to the Wallace Center and performed
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their poet poems poems and it was called land as
persona Mini Paths to the Present. That's the name of
the book because they get their bound an thoughts, so
that that's the name of their anthel. I used pictures
of that, yes, yeah, because we do it at Columbiaana
Middle School and I always go over to the program
and oh, I think the kids get to read their
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poems out loud, and then we take a bunch of
copies back to the Arts Council.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
What a lovely program, What absolutely lovely program. And I
just have to say, I might be the president of
the Salem Green Fan Club. I encourage everybody go buy
her The Upthervivle by Salem Green. She's amazing. She is
the best, best person, best spirit ever.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And where can we buy her book?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You can buy her book on Amazon. Amazon, I think
that's the that's the best place to actually find it
right now, So you can get it on Amazon and
coo buy it right now?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
What's it called again?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
The other Revival?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Other Revival?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And I'll just say, I mean, like, as her fan
club president, I just have to say, it is a
book of poems, right, and it is. These poems came
about from conversations that she had with the Descendant community
in Harpersville, and and you know, of course other conversations also.
But it's just a beautiful work of art that captures
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joy and resilience and strength, right and just and just
It's just something that every human being can connect to,
because every human being wants to experience newness and and
and and like a revival and a new birth right,
and so I just think.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That it's just food for the soul.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So wow, it's really good. And she was there the
day that we were sitting on the blox inspiration for
a new poem. And yeah, so that was really neat.
It's really neat. That was really neat. Nice. So let's
talk a little bit about the So their name is
exhibit that's going to be on display at the Shelby
County Arts Council. Yeah, really excited to act seeing the
altars of it. Now, we have a quilte from Winnie
(24:51):
McQueen yep. And Evon well she yes, she has a
quilt and she does Charlie Lucas, which we've shown Evon
Wells and Charlie Lucas's work in our gallery and we
had I mean, their work is gorgeous and ye Avon's
quilts are gigantic, gigantic stories. Yes, they're just story quilts exactly.
They were in our exhibit. Paul Barrett walked around one
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day and told me the story of every single quint
so oh yeah, yeah, So they're they're just so cool,
they're so intriguing.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
They are Hey, that can be your next hobby, right
quill Sure, that's uh.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It incimitates me safe, you know, going in what looking
at those quilts.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It's so intense.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So so I didn't even understand the magnitude of quilting
before I came to the Wallace Center, right, Like I
I did not understand one that they could be so huge.
I didn't understand like the artistry and then like the
storytelling that's involved in it, and how it's just very
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much a part of like various cultures, right, like black
culture and Southern culture, and just like just just just
like I'm sure there are other you know, like groups too,
rit and so I would love for it to be
a hobby.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I don't think that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Happen, right, right.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And what's lovely about so their names is that their
story is really similar to the Wallace Center story. So
the organization is in Lowndes County and in uh the
unincorporated town of Mount Willing. The projects started with Hopewell
Baptist Church and they had come across the names of
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people who were enslaved in that area, and they started
off their project doing exactly what they did with us,
taking like three by five pocket squares of fabric and
embroidering the names of people who had been enslaved in
that area and creating these quilts. And now they go
from place to place helping people do that same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And there's just something so.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
One the therapeutic about quilting, you know, like like most
forms of sewing or knitting, that's just there's just something
so calming about the repetitive nature.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I wish I could do it so I could be calm.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Or like you or just watching it is like really sure,
you know, therapeutic, So like there's something about that. But
then there's also just something so empowering about when these
women get together, like five, ten, fifteen of them sitting
around and just quilting together and like quilting together these
pieces of fabric that hold this history. And then when
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they invite other people to come and join them or
you know, watch them, just watching them sort of unify
and solidify these memories and like memorializing these people, it's
just so powerful and it just.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Feels like so.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know, like taking from the past to really empower
you to move into the future. And so what they're
doing for us is, you know, they did one workshop
that Lindsay came to, where you know, we've talked about
how we made these patches. We're going to have a
second workshop that we would love for people to come to.
It's going to be on August ninth at ten o'clock
and they're going to actually take the squares that we
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started at the first workshop and put them together to
make a quilt top. Okay, so in case y'all didn't know,
making a quilt has multiple steps.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
As multiple steps, so a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So what we're going to have is a culting top, right,
that's going to consist of our names, and they've figured out.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A pattern that's gonna work for us.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
And so the Walla Center will have our top done
in time for a exhibit that we're going to install
at the Arts Council. It's going to have all the
beautiful quiltes that Lindsay just mentioned, a couple of other
cults from so their names as well as the top.
We went together and I believe we said it's going
to be October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's thank You sixteenth. Our gallery receptions are so we're
sixteen brant. It's going to go until November twentieth.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Perfect, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It'll be the last exhibit of the year of the year, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And it'll be the last thing I do before I
fall out from the year.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
So you get a holiday, yeah, right, lots of wine
my hobby, yes, e extent, Yes, wine at the opening two. Yes,
I always appreciate it. Matterwillin I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So yeah, so that's so. That's so.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Their names were so we're so so excited, so thankful
for the for the partnership with the Arts Council.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Was so their names and.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm excited to see this out because I know just
so they put it that they put all the names
that y'all did that day and make it a quilt
top with those names. Yes, yes, I didn't know if
it was like a couple of names per like quilt
or they're.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Just it's going to be one right right where right?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
So I think think that what they're going to do
is they're going to probably group them into like groups
of nine and then you know, have some other pieces
that is right.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
To make it large enough. Got it that it's impressive
looking really pretty, I think.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
So I got to see pictures of them and they yeah, yeah,
they're really really nice.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, I mean they say their name project. It's just
so interesting because it was started by Reverend Bracks and
the judge whose name I cannot think.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I can't either, Blake.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think it's on the website of Judge Judge. I
can judge.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
We can put it in the in the notes and
of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Maybe maybe Philip can like flash it across the screen.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
There we go. That's perfect, Thanks Philip.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
But they started this project together, and I just, I mean,
I just love how it really embodies community. Yeah, and
just like really remembering like where we came from, where
other people came from, just remembering their past and how
important that is. Yes, you know, support our community, to
strengthen our communities. Yeah, it was like it was just
really cool. I just felt so honored to be included.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That was to thank you for summing, and you know,
I didn't know what to inspect in fact, and these uh,
these culture ladies, they just like it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Was so patient. It is so sad.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
When I tell you, I cannot exphasize how ridiculous it was. Okay,
there was one lady I'm not gonna say her name,
miss Perkins, but she did one passion said oh, I
don't throw my back out.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Your kindred spirits, Miss Perkins. We had the table that
was laughing and having fun and then.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
We're like serious, I know right, Yeah, first turned out
like eight blocks.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yes, you did four of them done?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, like a machine. Yeah serious, great she she serious.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, I got three done and I had won the
one I took home to my friend and I'm ashamed
to take it back just like somebody else. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
I do poly thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Finally, people were like, what's the name of the least letters?
And there was one, I think it was Hezekiah. Yeah,
and I was like, you know what, I'll just do it.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Just do it.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You take Hezekiah. Thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Because I was like, no one's going to take poor Hezekiah.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'll just do it. Yeah. They were, I mean, they're
just so beautiful. You know. It was just a great
way to to let people know like you're not.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Forgotten, right, you know, we will never for we honor you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That was just such a cool experience and I hope
more people will come to the next workshop, and I
hope they come out to the exhibit and just really
you know, can see see this beautiful memorial.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Okay, so again this workshop, Yeah, you don't have to
know how to quill.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
The you know, you don't have to know anything. As
evidence by me, you don't have to know anything. You
can just come.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
You can just serve and have snacks and follow ship
and hang out. If you want to help with the
quilting then like that's completely fine. But but it's it's
it's what the kids say is a vibe.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You know what I'm saying. It's a vibe.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
It's a real relaxing, chill, familial vibe that you know.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We just want everybody to experience.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
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Speaker 4 (33:25):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
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Speaker 3 (33:36):
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Speaker 1 (33:42):
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Speaker 3 (33:44):
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Speaker 1 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (33:53):
We should. Yeah, I'm not sure what the you know, like, hey,
Olive garden.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
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Speaker 2 (33:59):
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Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm gonna start tagging them and everything. Oh my god,
that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Until they that would be amazing, be like who is this? Okay? Fine, right,
takes the bread sticks.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Take the price. I would them our important history here, right,
love it? Love it, love it, love love it? Awesome?
Was great? Yeah, this was great.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Thank you so much for having this is so much fun.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It was you. I could listen to you talk all day.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I've been calming about you, and I mean, I'm like
a lawyer, huh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
You just kind of calmly tell them what you want.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And that probably didn't always work out quite that way.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I tried a couple of times. A couple of times
they were like nice, but bye, thanks.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But I appreciate the compliments you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Absolutely, and they can people can come visit you at
the walls spill. What are your hours there?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
So actually we're by appointment only, okay, right, And so
if you want to talking camera, you want to visit
the Wallace in there, go to Wallace Arts dot org
and check us out there. There is a link there
to click to see to request a tour and we
would love to see you. You can also catch us
on Instagram Wallace Arts eighteen forty one and we're also
(35:17):
on Facebook under Wallace UH Wallace Center for Arts and Reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So the sound so please good, thanks, and then come
to the Shelby County Arts Counciltober sixth stats by free,
say eight pm. We will have snacks, we will have
wine wine well and so does then the beautiful and
the beautiful, then the beautiful quilts, and we'll hand the
vibes and vibe we'll have. It'll be a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It'll be a vibe.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It'll be a vibe. We have a vibe. We have
a vibe.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Are there's definitely a vibe the vibe.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Who's in the Arts Council of the time exactly. It
could be a different vibe.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
We're a vibe, but there's one there, there's all.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah. And then it'll be on display through November twentieth,
so you got plenty of time to come out and
see us.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Hey, the temperatures will be better.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yes, thank God, please come fall quickly now today Jesus,
you know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And there's no air conditioning in the wall of center
right there. Do now there is now a look, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That that didn't happen for you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It was like the day we're there, it happened to
be a beautiful day. Yes, may so it may go
one of two ways. So we hasn't had air conditioner.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Just right, so right right, So I'll just say really
quickly that the Wallace House does not have plumbing in it.
It has electricity. But we just got air conditioning and
actually got it the week.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
After shoutable day, so we say, yeah, it might have
been she's bye.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, she's good, she's good.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Thank god. We thank God for that awesome. Thanks again,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
For having you guys so much fun.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
We look forward to seeing you guys out the Arts
Council to see how these beautiful works and come to
the reception.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And please follow us on Spotify, We're on Apple Podcasts,
and you can always find us on YouTube and at
Shelby Countyartscouncil dot com. So thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Thank youe bye
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