July 31, 2025 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Today we are interineering I sat films Selcal musicians. So
they're performing live in the song theaters Bay tim all
this month with a person I'm live on this episode's
performing live on this episode. Your little tenser for you,
you're going to want to come in the concert. That's
(00:21):
which or it sounds about stem also the Canadas and
(00:42):
Waters with the old council ladies. I'm Lindsay, I'm Leslie,
and today we live he's to be here. We're so
glad to have you tell them right, so before we
get to know you a little bit, I p's the
post question always asked Wendy always comes back to this.
(01:06):
It's very important question. It's very important. So it's very serious.
That's the point. You're gonna need to just station so
you thought about maybe, I think absolutely wants everybody. I
do also have a follow up question that I would
grass about your hair care routine.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Actually asked about my haircare routine. The gas on the way.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean, you have beautiful hair someone with long blond
hair as well, can we get it? Okay? Yes? So
you also particularly for the curent exactly yes, So okay,
a very important question. Yeahs An expert restal life.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I definitely believe it's possible. I don't know, I don't
think that I would say that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I believe in the existence of aliens, but.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I would say I wouldn't turn it out, but that
the universe is pretty vast, and you know, I wouldn't.
It wasn't surprised me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know, I think there's a lot of the universes
and planets and systems as I mean what they have
found like organisms another planet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean just look at the open too, and
there's so much like saves your life in the open,
like they haven't even discovered that. Yeah, and yeah, so
all the billions of galaxy that way, I wouldn't, you know,
I wouldn't put it past the universe that had some
extra life somewhere out there.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But I think by and by a planet often the door,
but not there, not that planet. That's exactly They're messed up,
and we are most like that was the practice planet.
(03:16):
Leave that one alone because people that are like or definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Joint yeah agnostics on the.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, well what about you. But it's a good one
because I'm like, maybe, but you know what stranger things
we have, like po thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Pretty alien life. Yeah, that's not like a real and
real life.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You'll see all these videos like on TikTok and all
this stuff, but you can't tell now if it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I kind of take it all over the grand thought.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And that's something that's like persons.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Like I'm so dullable, it's pretty easy to tell. But
it's getting better and better, and it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Say how how quickly It's getting to the point where
it's like, we do actually have a great Ali mini
episode that we do where we time we're talking to
Muffets to look at that one because a I think
we's a man.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I had Ai. I always find she's very musicant ai.
So yeah, yeah, we realise about it. It always comes up.
I get it in every episode. Yeah somewhere, yes, but
the Muffets you definitely got to watch that. Yeah, if
(04:56):
you have a pen between talking to the mufket with all.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I've actually already done it. So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Photo comments on that episode.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We had for sure muft we were we were recording
an album up in Muscle Choel out there sound studio
out there, and we had some pictures from from up
there and my friends justin that posed mandolin for me
a lot, and posing some other bands too. But we
were promoting like a little like a small restaurant gig
(05:29):
that we were playing around town, and we just took
that picture and turned it into the Muppet Day.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We had a Sunday he was yellow, one of the
what two million they got to do it?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Could I shut it down? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So they just read outlawed Muppet. Now I think I
think coffee.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The lawyers of the Muppet pedle downs. So it's so
funny how quickly one of people like the same day. Yeah,
that's something. Yeah, that's the city is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I've been up there twice now.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I recorded with a friend of mine, Stephen Lam, who's
coming around here as well. And I'm not exactly sure
what city he live in, but I know who's from
the Subby County area, early rising in Children area now.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
But I recorded an album with him about a year
ago up there, and he's just that play.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Started really thinking singles off of it, and I played
a little bit of pedal steel and a little bit
of slide guitar on that with him, and that was
a little I played.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Some organ on that too, So what all do you play?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I just sort of pick up.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Instruments and trying to hand out and as you know,
mostly string incidents.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I can't play a little.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
We're going to do.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But I can play a little bit of banjo, a
little bit of pedal.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Steel confused, a little bit of ground based, but I'm
mostly a guitar player and started writing songs and saying
and that's kind of my main thing. Didn't just like
pick it up on your own or my dad had
some guitars when I was growing up. And my cousin Mark,
(07:26):
who has his own original project called Fantastic Boom, which
is really cool thing.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's very different from what I do. But he he's
a little bit older than me, but he's not the only.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Other person in my family that really does like music
to a professional level at least. But my dad had
a few guitars when I was growing up, and he
had like a record collection and a lot of like
old country and.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Amen brothers and grateful Dad.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And you know, I can see like I was listening
to music. Yeah, I could definitely see how that would
be music. Do you decry that I would like the
se I don't know what stuff is it like blue gass?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I mean I would I don't know how I
would necessarily class myself as an artist. I've hard to
avoid doing that, but I would say like certain albums
that I've released, I've sort of targeting in a certain
direction of like like back in December, we kind of bluegrass,
and then I would definitely shot out called out like
a it's kind of like a gospel blue grass album.
(08:50):
And then you know, I've done some other stuff that's
almost like pop music as com satirical.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
A little bit, but uh it was met and.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Different sounds, and but I would say most for the
most part, I would I would say that I kind
of live in a in a country Americana blas like,
but I like extremaling and it's kind of using weird sounds,
like getting a little bit psychedelic and.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah that's right. Yeah that has some cool.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Itbums, and the definitely inspired me to make some of
some of change, uh ex mental stuff. I feel like
music now though, especially in the in the thing I
thing like kind of avoids getting experimental, and I was
very heavily inspired them, like listening to like sixties and
(09:48):
sevenies music.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Just great music. Yeah, it's it's like timeless music. Yeah yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It was kind of back when like autists were doing
with Bodius against the music industry, and now it seems
like artists there are a lot of great artists that
I know of right now that are doing the same thing,
but it seems like in the main stream of things,
like a lot of autists are just kind of conforming too,
the sort of the status glow, like you know what,
(10:24):
what's selling right now, And I kind of wanted to
avoid that just because I feel like my whole thing
as an artist is to sort of set things up
a little bit and be.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Hopefully inspiring to other artists that are afraid to step.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Out on the limb and do something different, you know,
and you know, kind of just go against the machine
or radiate against.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A way that any way like ago know, but like
last week, wouldn't be, wouldn't care, which it was always
big fences, it wasn't close to because you don't look
you're talking to us, And I think these people would
(11:14):
have said to be saying, you never know when you're
talking to school exactly on the safety you know, yeah,
safety kit, safety kit, here I digress, but you would
say he doesn't want to sit in a place, right.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I being like slassify as
or you know, just growing up in school.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We were talking about this over the school always made
me feel, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The pressure that could be conformed to something that I
wasn't and I felt like my natural innate response was,
like a human was to kind of rebel against that
a little bit. And when I struggled a lot as
a kid to fit in or you know, I just
find my purpose in life just because I felt very
(12:12):
concerned by well everybody else around there was probably I'm
needed to be, you know, whether I.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Was school or whatever. But yeah, and became a music
I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
A lot of people have like ended up leaning into
creative like or music or something. I mean I felt
that way too, and like I'm a visual artist, and
so I went to the outroom every day in high school.
That was my my dam tell me out there. I
had a teacher that was like, you know, really accepting
of all of us. Yeah, I mean, I think that's
really important to have those outworks, because it don't it's
(12:45):
very very isolating, right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I feel like a lot more people than we really
feel that way, right, Oh yeah, it's very under state.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Absolutely, yeah. I mean I think especially like online and
trying to like portray one bracing itself like I've got
it all together and whatever. Yeah, you know, we definitely don't.
We definitely don't have all Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That I don't. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's ultimately brought that up because I think one of
the other main things that drags me is an idol,
say vulnerability, but just selling other people through my music
how I'm not perfect and how there's like they're space
to be, you know, sort of just messed up in
(13:33):
a crazy world, and it's it's not uncommon to feel
that way, and I think it just needs to.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Be talked about more.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Like a song, because especially as a song heard Hippy
Redneck Pizza, Yeah, I definitely would have.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I heard that song, I was like, I did it,
and I was very surprised with how well people received
that song when I wrote it. Well, so it goes
a little further back than than when I actually wrote it.
I was actually hanging out at one of my friends
tises down in like Chilton County, out in my country,
(14:14):
and and I was you know, just hanging out in
the back. Guy he got a pool and everything he had.
He was the kind of guy that his friends will
come over anytime, just show up whenever. And this guy
that I didn't know at the time came up and
and he was like, man, my guy back there looks
(14:34):
like long haled Hickey.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Red mat Gigle.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And I didn't hear about this until like later that evening,
like my friends was like, hey, you got to tell
him what she said.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
The guy calling me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You look like long haired Hickey rednt gig with him.
So I didn't really think like other at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was just like that was kind of fun. Probably
months went by and I was just I'm trying to
write a song one day and that phrase was like popped.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Up in my head and I was like, hm, hm,
like I can do something like that, yeah, And it
wound up kind of being like uh saying my anthem.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I was like, yeah, sort of being imperfect. And you know,
I struggled a lot in life.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And found Jesus uh last year actually, and uh, you know,
it just it just changed me and it showed me
how much like all all the struggle that I've gone
through in my life was right.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
All this weight that I sat on my shoulders. I
had sort of been carrying this weight that wasn't meant
for me, and Jesus, you know, just stowed up and
and it was a very real way for me and
took that load off for me and said you don't
have to carry it.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know, it's really cool. Yeah I heard that a
lot of your friends, but yeah, definitely kind of I
put that authentic experience.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This happened for me, you know, Yeah, it was very
I mean it that's crazy. If I if I really,
I mean, i'd go into detail. I mean, I don't
know if I could even say some of it, but.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, we get real. Yeah, I mean I started a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
With drugs and alcohol in my early twenties, and you know,
even through the past couple of years, it's it's still
been a struggle for me. And I didn't even stay that.
I totally had a grip on it, you know, but
I was dragging on the mina say, chipping on my friends.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
One time. It was pine what I was sitting and
been doing. You know, I thought that was a terrible idea.
I wouldn't recommend it. Kid, but yeah, and I the
state trooper pulls out behind me and these guys like time,
and I'm like I heard its like I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And and I had like some more my friends in
my in my center console, and I was like, well,
I guess I just need to eat these So.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I believe that anything that my crazy mind at this time.
And h you know, I could not.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I heard this voice from the from the guy I
told me just trust me, and and I put the
strings back in the center console and I closed it,
and the top that had been following me for about
a minute, m really like time he goes over to
the next blast line and pull somebody else over and
(17:49):
I was just like, oh, like, God is real. I
believe just so I know that side been say to
a lot of like Christens that I would experien it's
God and that way. But that is kind of message
of my music is a bad time and a day,
you know, the unusual way circumstance. But and I think
(18:12):
that's how you actually finds a.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Lot of people, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think that there's the most concept and that we
have to be clean and figured out before you this. Yeah, yeah,
it's hurt.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, and I happen to get more common music, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's probably not. Yeah, I mean that's the best place
to find the guy to get atom you know them,
that's all times well and the Long haird with the
(18:54):
Red and Jesus.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But I think it's your most I think I think
it is. Yeah. Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Reading about what was it a grateful band? The cover band?
Very cool, really cool.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I forgot that was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
In the band.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Actually, we've got so coming out pretty soon and a
venue in Birmingham called the Reason Gardens that we're playing.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It's on August first, and it's going.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
To be like I believe that story that I see
is based a it's not very close to it, but yeah,
it's it's some of the best musicians in Birmingham. We
got together about three years ago and we started started
a grateful bed cover band. It's called Bud for Love
And yeah, it's a big passion project for me.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just feel like my original stuff was for my autist,
like that's that's where I really focused a lot of
my time. But the Dead band is really just like
a fun thing to we We've built up the great
crowd that loves to come out every time they play
and were in time and yeah, it's just a fun
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Just all grateful Dead players. I played guitar on that brand. Yeah,
and there's.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Another guitar and a keyboard player and we often have
two drummers and were both players.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
We have had a grateful We have Johnny yeah, yes,
several times brothers, but ye have not had a grateful.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Word the same the major.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So Daniel and Will both playing that man they play
in the Dead band.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Dan plays a couple of times. Another groups, the Little
Little Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, there's a lot of it. Yeah, and a lot
of them have played on a lot of my stuff
as well.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Daniel Ran and Davis Little both played on uh an
album that that bluegrass album that we put back one
Head Hit the a that album and yeah, Dave us
Uh and Harley Back and Justin Oliver and Ryan Brown
(21:26):
and Kendall Mintter. We all just got together and we
it was a really cool way to record and I've
never done anything like that, and I guess it's not
really a common way to record albums these days. We
just set up mike in front of everybody and it
was a room mic in the center of the Rain
and we got we just started playing songs live in
(21:47):
the room, just sit around in a circle. My pan
of the songs were the ones that I wrote, and
then we did like a couple like traditional like spiritual
cover hans like working on a building. And there's another
one in a that's like an acapella song called gone
Away with a Friend.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, you'll get your fical.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So Davids Little and Hayley, Yeah, they played. I think
they played the song. They're incredible music. Yeah, they've all recorded.
Yeah in the stage, they Sellberry sales or something. Okay, yeah,
I think that. I believe I came out video.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
They are.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
They're just they go in my mind every time I
see them play.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I know it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But they were local, right yeah, yeah people he's yeah yeah,
bringing him the pack with.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Underrated talent, the very many good.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Autists and in the central Alegent and just Alabama in
general right now seems to be just a.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, like c like it all and post.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
From my bill.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, I've never met.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Him personally, but my friend dray And Barley, who was
also another great album and music, and he kind of
introduced me to ads music and artwork. I don't know,
maybe about a year ago and uh, and I just
was like, wow, this is really different and cool. U.
(23:36):
So I've been a fan of AB for for about
a year and I was really really excited to get.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
To open for them. So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think both of your music goes well with each other.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Interesting because this is where your important questions. I told yeah, yeah, okay.
I listened to The Most.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Devil the podcast podcast. Listening to the podcast, I listened
to his music though well and I.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Was not one of his bands was Alban stand was
that's just what his I'm not too sure, but I
just know the I know the song okay, well is
called that and so I got to think of the
worst the Alban Astronaut, so I called them.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I said, I an alien Langler.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
There's no time that something being in the most and
I was like, that's not what astronaut.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't know after hearing his music, yeah, and the
Frangler and.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It would make sense. Yeah, that was really funny. I
was like, you you need to listen to the podcast, right.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So it's just sort of a general podcast that he.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Actually if somebody that's the kind of interviewing going around
and like Docinely needed to some like all these churches,
like small, small churches. You were just a listening to
the podcasts taking hord on it. So we went to
these churches. That was like he was trying to there's
like no documentation of these songs. It was just not recorded.
(25:25):
And so they went around and they were I don't
haven't listen with whole podcast, but it's it's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely just listening to the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Recordingly if Tony was yeah, yeah, you took it around,
so sometimes you need to just so loud. He just
blow up and recorded.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Wow, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But it's like, I mean, people was like going to
these backwards courches and meet people.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's pretty wild's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
These were Okay, So recently you get played at Liberty Day.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, that was very fun. Yeah, that was the first
time doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We took on too, like a fourth two three grass band,
and there were a couple of other artists on that
line up, but both and Bump bat Man. He lived
up in Nasville, but I've opened up to him before
and I know Michael Warren was going out.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
There and.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Red Close straight played there. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, they
were like the headline okay, cool, Yeah, that's Bruce the
Bold and she invited them to the Old Council and
then they play of the book right, also met Bruce
and George. So we come into a.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah yeh yeah, back to maybe three years in the
morning that that was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We still have to believe that morning. Yeah, it's on
a Tuesday. But when it's only the first Wednesdays every month,
there you go there, you goes stre there.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
On a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Happens books cool? I yeah, yeah, but they love it.
When we got the younger kids coming in.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, it's very cool, the younger kids young.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It was a cool experience just walking out into the
theater there and I was just sitting around on a
chuckle plane.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well so speaking, I think you a little to.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You live in little studio.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yet you all one all working to they all want to.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I like the Rednecks. You can Jesus pretty good. I
just put Jewish in there.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Jut that. Yeah, this song is sort of like I
said earlier, It sort of about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
How Jesus met me in a place where I had
my figured out my life or cleaned up, you know,
and I was, you know, still you know, struggling with
certain things. And I still struggle with certain things when
I didn't keep him from you know, having a having
a relationship with me, and you know, it says in
(28:41):
a biggle about in my weakness. God is God, drinks
is made perfect and you know, just kind of being
vulnerable and humble and realizing there like I don't have
it figured out on my own.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So that's kind of why I was saying, it's a
long hard if you run that day.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Co who coming to this man?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And too, I love it. I should have brought my
youth of late. I love it through the exactly. That
is awesome. If you were you were that you bought it.
Just criket now for him opening in Port with a
culture so sing on August the month people, and you
(32:52):
can nothing to
Today we are interineering I sat films Selcal musicians. So
they're performing live in the song theaters Bay tim all
this month with a person I'm live on this episode's
performing live on this episode. Your little tenser for you,
you're going to want to come in the concert. That's
(00:21):
which or it sounds about stem also the Canadas and
(00:42):
Waters with the old council ladies. I'm Lindsay, I'm Leslie,
and today we live he's to be here. We're so
glad to have you tell them right, so before we
get to know you a little bit, I p's the
post question always asked Wendy always comes back to this.
(01:06):
It's very important question. It's very important. So it's very serious.
That's the point. You're gonna need to just station so
you thought about maybe, I think absolutely wants everybody. I
do also have a follow up question that I would
grass about your hair care routine.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Actually asked about my haircare routine. The gas on the way.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean, you have beautiful hair someone with long blond
hair as well, can we get it? Okay? Yes? So
you also particularly for the curent exactly yes, So okay,
a very important question. Yeahs An expert restal life.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I definitely believe it's possible. I don't know, I don't
think that I would say that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I believe in the existence of aliens, but.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I would say I wouldn't turn it out, but that
the universe is pretty vast, and you know, I wouldn't.
It wasn't surprised me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know, I think there's a lot of the universes
and planets and systems as I mean what they have
found like organisms another planet.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean just look at the open too, and
there's so much like saves your life in the open,
like they haven't even discovered that. Yeah, and yeah, so
all the billions of galaxy that way, I wouldn't, you know,
I wouldn't put it past the universe that had some
extra life somewhere out there.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But I think by and by a planet often the door,
but not there, not that planet. That's exactly They're messed up,
and we are most like that was the practice planet.
(03:16):
Leave that one alone because people that are like or definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Joint yeah agnostics on the.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, well what about you. But it's a good one
because I'm like, maybe, but you know what stranger things
we have, like po thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Pretty alien life. Yeah, that's not like a real and
real life.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You'll see all these videos like on TikTok and all
this stuff, but you can't tell now if it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I kind of take it all over the grand thought.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And that's something that's like persons.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Like I'm so dullable, it's pretty easy to tell. But
it's getting better and better, and it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Say how how quickly It's getting to the point where
it's like, we do actually have a great Ali mini
episode that we do where we time we're talking to
Muffets to look at that one because a I think
we's a man.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I had Ai. I always find she's very musicant ai.
So yeah, yeah, we realise about it. It always comes up.
I get it in every episode. Yeah somewhere, yes, but
the Muffets you definitely got to watch that. Yeah, if
(04:56):
you have a pen between talking to the mufket with all.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I've actually already done it. So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Photo comments on that episode.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We had for sure muft we were we were recording
an album up in Muscle Choel out there sound studio
out there, and we had some pictures from from up
there and my friends justin that posed mandolin for me
a lot, and posing some other bands too. But we
were promoting like a little like a small restaurant gig
(05:29):
that we were playing around town, and we just took
that picture and turned it into the Muppet Day.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We had a Sunday he was yellow, one of the
what two million they got to do it?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Could I shut it down? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So they just read outlawed Muppet. Now I think I
think coffee.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The lawyers of the Muppet pedle downs. So it's so
funny how quickly one of people like the same day. Yeah,
that's something. Yeah, that's the city is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh yeah, absolutely. I've been up there twice now.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I recorded with a friend of mine, Stephen Lam, who's
coming around here as well. And I'm not exactly sure
what city he live in, but I know who's from
the Subby County area, early rising in Children area now.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
But I recorded an album with him about a year
ago up there, and he's just that play.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Started really thinking singles off of it, and I played
a little bit of pedal steel and a little bit
of slide guitar on that with him, and that was
a little I played.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Some organ on that too, So what all do you play?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I just sort of pick up.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Instruments and trying to hand out and as you know,
mostly string incidents.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I can't play a little.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
We're going to do.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But I can play a little bit of banjo, a
little bit of pedal.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Steel confused, a little bit of ground based, but I'm
mostly a guitar player and started writing songs and saying
and that's kind of my main thing. Didn't just like
pick it up on your own or my dad had
some guitars when I was growing up. And my cousin Mark,
(07:26):
who has his own original project called Fantastic Boom, which
is really cool thing.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's very different from what I do. But he he's
a little bit older than me, but he's not the only.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Other person in my family that really does like music
to a professional level at least. But my dad had
a few guitars when I was growing up, and he
had like a record collection and a lot of like
old country and.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Amen brothers and grateful Dad.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And you know, I can see like I was listening
to music. Yeah, I could definitely see how that would
be music. Do you decry that I would like the
se I don't know what stuff is it like blue gass?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I mean I would I don't know how I
would necessarily class myself as an artist. I've hard to
avoid doing that, but I would say like certain albums
that I've released, I've sort of targeting in a certain
direction of like like back in December, we kind of bluegrass,
and then I would definitely shot out called out like
a it's kind of like a gospel blue grass album.
(08:50):
And then you know, I've done some other stuff that's
almost like pop music as com satirical.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
A little bit, but uh it was met and.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Different sounds, and but I would say most for the
most part, I would I would say that I kind
of live in a in a country Americana blas like,
but I like extremaling and it's kind of using weird sounds,
like getting a little bit psychedelic and.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah that's right. Yeah that has some cool.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Itbums, and the definitely inspired me to make some of
some of change, uh ex mental stuff. I feel like
music now though, especially in the in the thing I
thing like kind of avoids getting experimental, and I was
very heavily inspired them, like listening to like sixties and
(09:48):
sevenies music.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Just great music. Yeah, it's it's like timeless music. Yeah yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It was kind of back when like autists were doing
with Bodius against the music industry, and now it seems
like artists there are a lot of great artists that
I know of right now that are doing the same thing,
but it seems like in the main stream of things,
like a lot of autists are just kind of conforming too,
the sort of the status glow, like you know what,
(10:24):
what's selling right now, And I kind of wanted to
avoid that just because I feel like my whole thing
as an artist is to sort of set things up
a little bit and be.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Hopefully inspiring to other artists that are afraid to step.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Out on the limb and do something different, you know,
and you know, kind of just go against the machine
or radiate against.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A way that any way like ago know, but like
last week, wouldn't be, wouldn't care, which it was always
big fences, it wasn't close to because you don't look
you're talking to us, And I think these people would
(11:14):
have said to be saying, you never know when you're
talking to school exactly on the safety you know, yeah,
safety kit, safety kit, here I digress, but you would
say he doesn't want to sit in a place, right.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I being like slassify as
or you know, just growing up in school.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We were talking about this over the school always made
me feel, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The pressure that could be conformed to something that I
wasn't and I felt like my natural innate response was,
like a human was to kind of rebel against that
a little bit. And when I struggled a lot as
a kid to fit in or you know, I just
find my purpose in life just because I felt very
(12:12):
concerned by well everybody else around there was probably I'm
needed to be, you know, whether I.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Was school or whatever. But yeah, and became a music
I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
A lot of people have like ended up leaning into
creative like or music or something. I mean I felt
that way too, and like I'm a visual artist, and
so I went to the outroom every day in high school.
That was my my dam tell me out there. I
had a teacher that was like, you know, really accepting
of all of us. Yeah, I mean, I think that's
really important to have those outworks, because it don't it's
(12:45):
very very isolating, right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I feel like a lot more people than we really
feel that way, right, Oh yeah, it's very under state.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Absolutely, yeah. I mean I think especially like online and
trying to like portray one bracing itself like I've got
it all together and whatever. Yeah, you know, we definitely don't.
We definitely don't have all Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That I don't. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's ultimately brought that up because I think one of
the other main things that drags me is an idol,
say vulnerability, but just selling other people through my music
how I'm not perfect and how there's like they're space
to be, you know, sort of just messed up in
(13:33):
a crazy world, and it's it's not uncommon to feel
that way, and I think it just needs to.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Be talked about more.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Like a song, because especially as a song heard Hippy
Redneck Pizza, Yeah, I definitely would have.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I heard that song, I was like, I did it,
and I was very surprised with how well people received
that song when I wrote it. Well, so it goes
a little further back than than when I actually wrote it.
I was actually hanging out at one of my friends
tises down in like Chilton County, out in my country,
(14:14):
and and I was you know, just hanging out in
the back. Guy he got a pool and everything he had.
He was the kind of guy that his friends will
come over anytime, just show up whenever. And this guy
that I didn't know at the time came up and
and he was like, man, my guy back there looks
(14:34):
like long haled Hickey.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Red mat Gigle.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And I didn't hear about this until like later that evening,
like my friends was like, hey, you got to tell
him what she said.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
The guy calling me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You look like long haired Hickey rednt gig with him.
So I didn't really think like other at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I was just like that was kind of fun. Probably
months went by and I was just I'm trying to
write a song one day and that phrase was like popped.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Up in my head and I was like, hm, hm,
like I can do something like that, yeah, And it
wound up kind of being like uh saying my anthem.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I was like, yeah, sort of being imperfect. And you know,
I struggled a lot in life.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And found Jesus uh last year actually, and uh, you know,
it just it just changed me and it showed me
how much like all all the struggle that I've gone
through in my life was right.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
All this weight that I sat on my shoulders. I
had sort of been carrying this weight that wasn't meant
for me, and Jesus, you know, just stowed up and
and it was a very real way for me and
took that load off for me and said you don't
have to carry it.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know, it's really cool. Yeah I heard that a
lot of your friends, but yeah, definitely kind of I
put that authentic experience.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This happened for me, you know, Yeah, it was very
I mean it that's crazy. If I if I really,
I mean, i'd go into detail. I mean, I don't
know if I could even say some of it, but.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, we get real. Yeah, I mean I started a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
With drugs and alcohol in my early twenties, and you know,
even through the past couple of years, it's it's still
been a struggle for me. And I didn't even stay that.
I totally had a grip on it, you know, but
I was dragging on the mina say, chipping on my friends.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
One time. It was pine what I was sitting and
been doing. You know, I thought that was a terrible idea.
I wouldn't recommend it. Kid, but yeah, and I the
state trooper pulls out behind me and these guys like time,
and I'm like I heard its like I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And and I had like some more my friends in
my in my center console, and I was like, well,
I guess I just need to eat these So.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I believe that anything that my crazy mind at this time.
And h you know, I could not.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I heard this voice from the from the guy I
told me just trust me, and and I put the
strings back in the center console and I closed it,
and the top that had been following me for about
a minute, m really like time he goes over to
the next blast line and pull somebody else over and
(17:49):
I was just like, oh, like, God is real. I
believe just so I know that side been say to
a lot of like Christens that I would experien it's
God and that way. But that is kind of message
of my music is a bad time and a day,
you know, the unusual way circumstance. But and I think
(18:12):
that's how you actually finds a.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Lot of people, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I think that there's the most concept and that we
have to be clean and figured out before you this. Yeah, yeah,
it's hurt.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, and I happen to get more common music, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's probably not. Yeah, I mean that's the best place
to find the guy to get atom you know them,
that's all times well and the Long haird with the
(18:54):
Red and Jesus.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But I think it's your most I think I think
it is. Yeah. Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Reading about what was it a grateful band? The cover band?
Very cool, really cool.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I forgot that was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
In the band.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Actually, we've got so coming out pretty soon and a
venue in Birmingham called the Reason Gardens that we're playing.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It's on August first, and it's going.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
To be like I believe that story that I see
is based a it's not very close to it, but yeah,
it's it's some of the best musicians in Birmingham. We
got together about three years ago and we started started
a grateful bed cover band. It's called Bud for Love
And yeah, it's a big passion project for me.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just feel like my original stuff was for my autist,
like that's that's where I really focused a lot of
my time. But the Dead band is really just like
a fun thing to we We've built up the great
crowd that loves to come out every time they play
and were in time and yeah, it's just a fun
thing to do.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Just all grateful Dead players. I played guitar on that brand. Yeah,
and there's.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Another guitar and a keyboard player and we often have
two drummers and were both players.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
We have had a grateful We have Johnny yeah, yes,
several times brothers, but ye have not had a grateful.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Word the same the major.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So Daniel and Will both playing that man they play
in the Dead band.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Dan plays a couple of times. Another groups, the Little
Little Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, there's a lot of it. Yeah, and a lot
of them have played on a lot of my stuff
as well.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Daniel Ran and Davis Little both played on uh an
album that that bluegrass album that we put back one
Head Hit the a that album and yeah, Dave us
Uh and Harley Back and Justin Oliver and Ryan Brown
(21:26):
and Kendall Mintter. We all just got together and we
it was a really cool way to record and I've
never done anything like that, and I guess it's not
really a common way to record albums these days. We
just set up mike in front of everybody and it
was a room mic in the center of the Rain
and we got we just started playing songs live in
(21:47):
the room, just sit around in a circle. My pan
of the songs were the ones that I wrote, and
then we did like a couple like traditional like spiritual
cover hans like working on a building. And there's another
one in a that's like an acapella song called gone
Away with a Friend.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, you'll get your fical.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So Davids Little and Hayley, Yeah, they played. I think
they played the song. They're incredible music. Yeah, they've all recorded.
Yeah in the stage, they Sellberry sales or something. Okay, yeah,
I think that. I believe I came out video.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
They are.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
They're just they go in my mind every time I
see them play.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I know it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But they were local, right yeah, yeah people he's yeah yeah,
bringing him the pack with.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Underrated talent, the very many good.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Autists and in the central Alegent and just Alabama in
general right now seems to be just a.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, like c like it all and post.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
From my bill.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, I've never met.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Him personally, but my friend dray And Barley, who was
also another great album and music, and he kind of
introduced me to ads music and artwork. I don't know,
maybe about a year ago and uh, and I just
was like, wow, this is really different and cool. U.
(23:36):
So I've been a fan of AB for for about
a year and I was really really excited to get.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
To open for them. So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think both of your music goes well with each other.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Interesting because this is where your important questions. I told yeah, yeah, okay.
I listened to The Most.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Devil the podcast podcast. Listening to the podcast, I listened
to his music though well and I.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Was not one of his bands was Alban stand was
that's just what his I'm not too sure, but I
just know the I know the song okay, well is
called that and so I got to think of the
worst the Alban Astronaut, so I called them.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I said, I an alien Langler.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
There's no time that something being in the most and
I was like, that's not what astronaut.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't know after hearing his music, yeah, and the
Frangler and.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It would make sense. Yeah, that was really funny. I
was like, you you need to listen to the podcast, right.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So it's just sort of a general podcast that he.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Actually if somebody that's the kind of interviewing going around
and like Docinely needed to some like all these churches,
like small, small churches. You were just a listening to
the podcasts taking hord on it. So we went to
these churches. That was like he was trying to there's
like no documentation of these songs. It was just not recorded.
(25:25):
And so they went around and they were I don't
haven't listen with whole podcast, but it's it's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely just listening to the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Recordingly if Tony was yeah, yeah, you took it around,
so sometimes you need to just so loud. He just
blow up and recorded.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Wow, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But it's like, I mean, people was like going to
these backwards courches and meet people.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's pretty wild's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
These were Okay, So recently you get played at Liberty Day.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, that was very fun. Yeah, that was the first
time doing that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We took on too, like a fourth two three grass band,
and there were a couple of other artists on that
line up, but both and Bump bat Man. He lived
up in Nasville, but I've opened up to him before
and I know Michael Warren was going out.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
There and.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Red Close straight played there. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, they
were like the headline okay, cool, Yeah, that's Bruce the
Bold and she invited them to the Old Council and
then they play of the book right, also met Bruce
and George. So we come into a.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah yeh yeah, back to maybe three years in the
morning that that was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
We still have to believe that morning. Yeah, it's on
a Tuesday. But when it's only the first Wednesdays every month,
there you go there, you goes stre there.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
On a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Happens books cool? I yeah, yeah, but they love it.
When we got the younger kids coming in.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, it's very cool, the younger kids young.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It was a cool experience just walking out into the
theater there and I was just sitting around on a
chuckle plane.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Well so speaking, I think you a little to.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You live in little studio.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yet you all one all working to they all want to.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I like the Rednecks. You can Jesus pretty good. I
just put Jewish in there.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Jut that. Yeah, this song is sort of like I
said earlier, It sort of about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
How Jesus met me in a place where I had
my figured out my life or cleaned up, you know,
and I was, you know, still you know, struggling with
certain things. And I still struggle with certain things when
I didn't keep him from you know, having a having
a relationship with me, and you know, it says in
(28:41):
a biggle about in my weakness. God is God, drinks
is made perfect and you know, just kind of being
vulnerable and humble and realizing there like I don't have
it figured out on my own.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So that's kind of why I was saying, it's a
long hard if you run that day.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Co who coming to this man?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And too, I love it. I should have brought my
youth of late. I love it through the exactly. That
is awesome. If you were you were that you bought it.
Just criket now for him opening in Port with a
culture so sing on August the month people, and you
(32:52):
can nothing to
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