December 17, 2024 • 15 mins
A new paradigm for embodied healing in a unique, experiential, therapeutic process in which expressive movement, guided imagery, ritual, music, and creative expression work together.
In Embody, Toni Bergins, the founder and creator of JourneyDance, an internationally renowned dance movement program, shares with readers a powerful way to address trauma mindfully so people can confront it, heal, and grow to love themselves unconditionally, just as they are. Embody is a dynamic, conscious practice that can help people release what no longer serves them and shows them how to stop stuffing/numbing the pain and start feeling, stop over-thinking/limiting, and get moving!
Embodiment is the new buzzword in personal transformation, but, most often, it is connected to static practices like breathwork and meditation. For Toni Bergins, embodiment is best achieved through active movement, and has created a practice where people literally get out of their heads and into their bodies! Her program is a trauma-informed one that offers a new promise: leading readers through deep, personal work but making it feel like play. In this book, she turns the heaviness of processing pain and past trauma into an expressive art aligned with the most recent research.
Specifically, trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk, writes in his bestselling The Body Keeps the Score, “In order to overcome trauma, people need to feel safe enough to open up their hearts and minds to others and become engaged with new possibilities. This can be done if trauma survivors are helped to confront and confess the reality of what has happened and are helped to feel safe again. In many cultures this involves communal rhythmical activities, such as dancing…” And that is Toni Bergins’ mission and method: to help readers move into a new story for their lives.
Embody features Toni’s prescription for a comprehensive healing journey, comprised of five core elements:
· Music, to open the doorways of impulse, imagination, creativity and healing to change mood and awareness;
· Movement, to enhance presence and confidence, and release old patterns and traumas;
· Mystical Inquiry, where imagery and creative visualization exercises are used to guide readers into an alchemic and shamanic state to investigate past hurts, and learn to trust their instincts;
· Prayers and Invocations, to raise energetic vibrations to a positive place with powerful affirmations; and
· Journaling, with writing prompts to process inner self-awareness learned on the dance floor or through any of the other Embody elements.
Get the Book: https://www.simonandschuster.c...
Website: www.journeydance.com
About the Author: Toni Bergins, M.Ed., is an embodiment trailblazer who has taught at the premier holistic healing centers for the last 27 years. She is on permanent faculty at the Kripalu Center for Yoga & Health, and has worked there as a movement artist, dance educator, expressive arts workshop leader, and expert in creating transformational workshops. She has led JourneyDance programs at the renowned Esalen Institute, Omega Institute, 1440 Multiversity, The New York Open Center, Pure Yoga, Blue Spirit and countless others. Since Toni first presented her workshop at the Omega Institute in 2008, JourneyDance has become a yearly event, and is the single most sought-after form taught in Omega’s on-campus Movement program, employing 10-plus JourneyDance teachers each season. Toni also writes and creates video content for her website, journeydance.com.
About the show:
Ash Brown is a force to be reckoned with in the world of motivation and empowerment. This multi-talented American is a gifted producer, blogger, speaker, media personality, and event emcee. Her infectious energy and passion for helping others shine through in everything she does.
Ash Said It, Ash Does It:
* AshSaidit.com: This vibrant blog is your one-stop shop for a peek into Ash's world. Dive into exclusive event invites, insightful product reviews, and a whole lot more. It's a platform that keeps you informed and entertained.
* The Ash Said It Show: Buckle up for a motivational ride with Ash's signature podcast. With over 2,000 episodesalready under her belt and a staggering half a million streams worldwide, this show is a testament to Ash's impact. Here, she chats with inspiring individuals and tackles topics that resonate deeply.
What Makes Ash Special?
Ash doesn't just preach motivation; she lives it. Her strength lies in her authenticity. She connects with her audience on a genuine level, offering real-talk advice and encoura
In Embody, Toni Bergins, the founder and creator of JourneyDance, an internationally renowned dance movement program, shares with readers a powerful way to address trauma mindfully so people can confront it, heal, and grow to love themselves unconditionally, just as they are. Embody is a dynamic, conscious practice that can help people release what no longer serves them and shows them how to stop stuffing/numbing the pain and start feeling, stop over-thinking/limiting, and get moving!
Embodiment is the new buzzword in personal transformation, but, most often, it is connected to static practices like breathwork and meditation. For Toni Bergins, embodiment is best achieved through active movement, and has created a practice where people literally get out of their heads and into their bodies! Her program is a trauma-informed one that offers a new promise: leading readers through deep, personal work but making it feel like play. In this book, she turns the heaviness of processing pain and past trauma into an expressive art aligned with the most recent research.
Specifically, trauma expert Bessel van der Kolk, writes in his bestselling The Body Keeps the Score, “In order to overcome trauma, people need to feel safe enough to open up their hearts and minds to others and become engaged with new possibilities. This can be done if trauma survivors are helped to confront and confess the reality of what has happened and are helped to feel safe again. In many cultures this involves communal rhythmical activities, such as dancing…” And that is Toni Bergins’ mission and method: to help readers move into a new story for their lives.
Embody features Toni’s prescription for a comprehensive healing journey, comprised of five core elements:
· Music, to open the doorways of impulse, imagination, creativity and healing to change mood and awareness;
· Movement, to enhance presence and confidence, and release old patterns and traumas;
· Mystical Inquiry, where imagery and creative visualization exercises are used to guide readers into an alchemic and shamanic state to investigate past hurts, and learn to trust their instincts;
· Prayers and Invocations, to raise energetic vibrations to a positive place with powerful affirmations; and
· Journaling, with writing prompts to process inner self-awareness learned on the dance floor or through any of the other Embody elements.
Get the Book: https://www.simonandschuster.c...
Website: www.journeydance.com
About the Author: Toni Bergins, M.Ed., is an embodiment trailblazer who has taught at the premier holistic healing centers for the last 27 years. She is on permanent faculty at the Kripalu Center for Yoga & Health, and has worked there as a movement artist, dance educator, expressive arts workshop leader, and expert in creating transformational workshops. She has led JourneyDance programs at the renowned Esalen Institute, Omega Institute, 1440 Multiversity, The New York Open Center, Pure Yoga, Blue Spirit and countless others. Since Toni first presented her workshop at the Omega Institute in 2008, JourneyDance has become a yearly event, and is the single most sought-after form taught in Omega’s on-campus Movement program, employing 10-plus JourneyDance teachers each season. Toni also writes and creates video content for her website, journeydance.com.
About the show:
Ash Brown is a force to be reckoned with in the world of motivation and empowerment. This multi-talented American is a gifted producer, blogger, speaker, media personality, and event emcee. Her infectious energy and passion for helping others shine through in everything she does.
Ash Said It, Ash Does It:
* AshSaidit.com: This vibrant blog is your one-stop shop for a peek into Ash's world. Dive into exclusive event invites, insightful product reviews, and a whole lot more. It's a platform that keeps you informed and entertained.
* The Ash Said It Show: Buckle up for a motivational ride with Ash's signature podcast. With over 2,000 episodesalready under her belt and a staggering half a million streams worldwide, this show is a testament to Ash's impact. Here, she chats with inspiring individuals and tackles topics that resonate deeply.
What Makes Ash Special?
Ash doesn't just preach motivation; she lives it. Her strength lies in her authenticity. She connects with her audience on a genuine level, offering real-talk advice and encoura
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What it is, what it do is cyber World.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is your girl, the one and only Ash Brown,
and this is the Ash said It show. Over two
thousand episodes since twenty fourteen, half a million streams around
the world. None of this is possible without you, guys,
So I thank you so so very much. Today we
have a wonderful author of the book Embody, Feel, Heal
(00:28):
and Transform your life through Movement. We got Tony Burgens.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey, Tony, Oh my god, I'm so excited to be
on your show.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love your energy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I love the fact that you're putting good energy
out there. That's what the show is all about. I
love to see people putting out good energy into the world.
There's enough negative stuff out there. We need some good
positive vibes.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Absolutely. I consider myself an inspiration company and inspiration on
a blister. How do I help people like get into
their body and feel their lives and be in it
and just be so in their life that they're loving
it and it's not like it's not a torture, it's
not a problem, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Every day is a problem.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I want them to be like every day I get
to create, I get to feel what I want to feel.
I get to shift myself into a new state just
through music and movement, and that's kind of my thing. Yes,
that's my dream.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh my goodness. All right, So if we want to
get into the inspiration behind this particular book, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
The inspiration behind this book, well, I've been dancing for
so many years and teaching this movement for him called
journey dance, and I've watched so many people after the
class has suddenly come up to me and hug me
and run to me and be like, oh my god,
what was that? What just happened?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Why am I so happy?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Other people crying?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They're like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
God, I'm feeling my emotions. Why am I crying? I
love you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
People.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
They want to feel, they want to feel something, And
I just I had to write a book finally, after
you know, twenty seven years of just teaching and meeting
people and dancing with people from all over every which.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Where, you know, and just just that was the.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Inspiration behind this particular project.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That is, I have to get it down so more
people can.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Play with it and find it and do it on
their own if they're not able to come to the
dance floor.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, So as you had the inspiration for this book
and you wanted to put it out into the world.
What was that writing process for you?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What was that like? Oh wow, writing a book about
dance and movement and joy and celebration and shadows and
personal process work and emotions is definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Difficult because what I do is, you know, I play.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Music and I take people on journeys, you know, with music.
So to write all this I had to really go
deeper and explain why am I doing this?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
How does this work? How to turn music on? Affect
your body? You know, how to affect your body?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Right, you hear music and something happening, you love it,
you hate it, You dance to it, you cry to it,
you laugh to it, up and down. You know you
want to, you know, start completely running around and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Leaping through the air. I mean music, it's so effective.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And then there's movement which feels so amazing, Like, how
do I explain that?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So I had to really go in it was It
was took me a year and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
A half pretty much to get all the content that
I wanted into this particular volume.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Because there's so much more content.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I had to cut it down and make it really
try to get somebody at the essence of the work
so they could take it as a program and just
like run it and just run the whole program for
themselves and have a transformational effect.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes. Wow, now as you were in a lot of experimentation, Yes,
I would imagine like that. That is amazing. And I
don't think I've ever had, you know, like I said,
two thousand plus episodes, I don't think I've ever had
an author to write about dancing. I think this is
very interesting, This is very fascinating. Like I'm like, wow,
(03:52):
that is absolutely sensational to hear you talk about it,
because you know, anyone that's in you know that has
any kind of creativity going on with stuff, and as
far as dance and performance art and stuff, I don't
know a lot of them that actually put the form
down into book form.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So kudos well to you. Yeah, thank you. I mean
it was it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
One way that made it easier is I've been doing
teacher training perfect years, so I had a lot of writing,
and I write poetry, and I write affirmations and invocations
and prayers and all this stuff for myself and for
my students. So like, I have so much content but
I had to rewrite most of it, and you'll make it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
For a new reader who doesn't know me. And that
was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Thing with making the audiobook, I was like, all right,
I'm going to record this thing. I have to be
in my voice.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But I had the audition for my own audiobook. I
was so nervous. I wasn't going to get it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That is so awesome. Now walk us through the chapters
of this book. What is it like opening up this
book for the first time? What are we going to
experience in these chapters?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, so you're going to start out just being like, Okay,
who is this person? I'm going to be listening to for.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know, a couple of hours or reading reading for
many hours.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So I tell a little bit of my story.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know, my messy mind, you know my my body
image stuff, you know all the things that led me
to this, like dance floor. Then we're going to you know,
how is? How is how do we embody trauma? And
why are we all in pain? And why are we
continuing a vicious cycle of wounded people.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hurt other people?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Why are we still in this? So that we talk
about that, then I go into how is it. How
is it done?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's done through movement, music, creative visualization, sort of a
mind a mind shift, a mind altered where you're in
the music. It's like I call it an altered state.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then's to take.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
People through what is the process.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And then by chapter three we're diving in. So you're
now going to do embodying.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You're gonna you're going to roll around on the floor
with me.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're gonna go to awakening, so you're going to get
into your spine and your energy, and you're going to
go to immersion, which is you're going to get into
like how do I be in my body? How do
I love this this physical vestal which holds my spirit? Like,
how do I be with my body? Then we go
into joy and how do we make joy? The baseline
emotion I call it the funky connection, where we're getting
(06:10):
into like dancing with ourselves in the mirror, dancing with
each other, dancing to the music. It is so like
lost in the music and the fans transported. Then the
next chapter is called evocative emotion. This is one of
my favorites, where we get into the emotional body. We
say like so if you're listening to it, you'll be
able to dance with me directly because I'm literally taking
you through the dance with music in the background.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Which I'm so excited I got. I had to buy
licenses for all.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
This music, but I said, I.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Have to do this.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I can't have an audio book with no music.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I got all the music.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So we'll go through grief, We'll go through angle, we'll
go through joy, We'll go through telling our story to
the dance floor. Then we go to the next chapter,
which is alchemy. How do I shape this up? How
do I compost all of this into something gold, into
my power, into my empowerment.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Then I go to celebration.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We play like big, loud, fun wild music.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Then we go into sensual.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
How do I take all this into the body and
how do I enjoy my life? The sensuality of light.
And we go into the dance of sensuality, which is
something that's very you know, triggering for some people. So
we have to really go slow and we take our
time and we feel the old wounds through this dance
process of proclaiming ourselves.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Then we go to the heart, which is Heart is.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Like my favorite chapter because It's all about everything culminates
in the heart, all the energy of who we want
to be and how we show up in the world.
And then we dance with our heart, and we do
it with psychodratic like I use scarves to represent your heart.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So you have your heart in your.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Arms, and you're dancing through the space and you're talking
to yourself and you're healing yourself. You're reparenting your repatterned,
and you're holding yourself in this way. Then we go
to what I call prayer and sort of divine alignment.
Whatever you believe in.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's all good with me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You just take that and we bring that and that's
how we close. Then the last chapter is called the
Mind Navigating your Mind, because the body is the most
amazing tool. But if your mind is not in sync
with your body, you're going to be in a battle.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Which is which is why I wrote a book.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Because I want people to learn how to work with
their mind and say, oh, is this a thought that
is making me feel good or thought that is making
me feel bad. It's that simple. I'm breaking it down
and I'm saying, how do you eject the thoughts that
make you feel bad? And start rewriting your mental script
that you have in your mindset.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So it's all that in one that's it. And then
I say.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Thank you, Tony. I just have to say, you make
me want to dance. I want to get out, just
dance around the room like nobody's watching. I don't care.
I want to dance with joy. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, I really went for it. I know we have
a short time, so I'm like, all right, I gotta
make good. All this is in there if you want
to know the chapter, So here we go, and in
each of those chapters, you're gonna dance. You're gonna you're
gonna put the book down, you're gonna get the audio.
You'll be dancing right then and there. But if you
if you want to go, and I have.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A portal I created where people can click into the portal.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
There's like a little QRCO in the book. You go
into the portal and there's playlists for every single.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Chime and videos for every chapter.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So you can dance with me, just me, and you
just put for There's nothing to be nervous about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I love it. And today is December seventeenth, which
means that the audio is available the audiobook is ready.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So that it is coming out, Yes, Audible and all
those places the books are sold. I'm so excited about
the audiobook.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And what was that process like for you? As you
said you had the audition for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh, you should try that. That is exhausting.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's like it's to talk for at least to be
talking perfectly with no mistake for a while. I don't know.
I think it took me like a total of, you know,
fifteen hours with all the mistakes out take. And you
have to be on the edge of your seat because
you can't be like slumped me in your book right.
Like I noticed reading and reading and be.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Like, oh god, I'm not here, like I don't know
where I am.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Not to stop. I tell the guy that's not the
top to go back. I don't know what I just read.
And it was just hours and hours of that trying
to be.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Like in each moment, I'm like, eat in each moment,
you know, really a process. I was like, this is
I have I applaud people who do audio books. I
never knew how hard it was.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I was so tired after each stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I have to go home and literally I drive
home and just take a nap for two hours and
then get back up again like Okay, now I.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Can be normal again.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's that much energy.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's a process. Yeah, you you hit the nail head one.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Two thousand episodes of you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh yeah, and I got my own like auditions for
for audio work as well. And it does. It takes
a lot, and you have to, like you said, you
have to be very precise in your tone throughout the
whole process of whatever book you're reading, so I know
exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And also I'm sharing some personal stuff, so it's a
little bit. I was like, Oh, as I'm reading it,
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh my god, I can't believe I'm saying that. A wow.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I'm like, people are going to read this book. Oh
my god, my father wouldn't have that, you know whatever,
because I did talk a little bit about some difficult
in my life, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So you know, it takes some courage too.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think I was pretty courageous and I'm proud of
myself for doing it. And it's you know, I recommend
for everyone to take a risk, you know, be a
little bit more brave, you know, get out there and
do what you want to do and take that passion
that you have or whatever it is, and just.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Go for it because the world needs it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
As you said, so much more inspiration now to be creative,
to change the status quo.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know what I'm saying, change the narrative. Yeah, you're
absolutely right. Now last was certainly not least Tony. What
advice would you offer to anyone out there that maybe
hearing our voices right now that has never cut a rug,
They've never danced, they're scared of dancing. They're like, you
know what, Tony's crazy, I'm not gonna dance. What would
(11:48):
you say to them right now?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, I hear you, No, I hear you. I'm perably
want to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
All that makes me want to cry because dancing is
it's part of us all. It's in our blood, it's
in our dna. If it goes back to the original humans, rhythm,
it makes us move. And we know all of this,
all the things we studied, we know that dances is.
It's in every single culture and every single possibility across
the world.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
There's dance.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So first I say, it's just remember that it's inside
of the Second thing I.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Say is there's nothing to be afraid of, and I
know it takes courage and you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Have to be perfect. There's nothing. The thing about my
work is that there's no dance steps. There's no this
is how you do.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It, separate step left, count one, two, three, four, none
of that. It's just movement for the energy body. It's
movement for the physical bodies, movement for the emotional body.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
How do you move the energy?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
That's what I want to ask people. If you don't dance,
how do you move the energy? At least go for
a walk through something?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Please move your body.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But if you're willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And you know you love music, right, everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Loves something, even if it's classical music.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You could dance to that. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
What is just to put on some music and start
dancing and then try some of my playlist because you
might be shocked, like, oh this is really weird, but
I love it, you know what I mean. It's like
letting yourself feel a little weird. One of my dances
that I do with people, I call it do you
want to be perfect or do you want to be weird?
I have everyone trying to be perfect and it's just
awfully boring. Everyone's trying to be perfect, and they walk around.
(13:08):
Everyone sort of gets on their kicking coach for some reading,
and it's funny.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And then I think that would be weird, and everyone
talks moving like wild and all over the place, and
I'm like, look around, what God beautiful?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That is weird? So much better than perfect it is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You said it better than I ever could, Tony. Thank
you so much for coming through and just blessing us
with your energy and your presence. It absolutely transcends this conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You're so sweet and.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A much more success you know to you and your
whole team and everyone that is putting this book to
the forefront. Let everyone know the best way to get
the book and to stay in contact with you and
maybe following your journey great well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The best way to get the book is you anywhere
books are.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Sold the fourth Amazon does have it, and all other booksellers,
Bar and the Noble, the whole thing. So anytime you
buy a book, if you would write me a review,
that would be awesome, And you can find me at
journey dance dot com. I could take a journey into
dance of journey dance dot com or Tonybergens dot com
and you can follow me on Instagram Tonybergen's Journey Dance Official.
(14:13):
You can find us everywhere and there's teachers all over
the country and and some other parts around the world.
People are leading Journey Dance and there's one place you
could actually find me. Since this has come out on
December seventeenth, I have a live stream happening on December
twenty eighth, which is a pre New Year's Last December
(14:34):
twenty eighth live stream, and that's at p Pallu Center,
which is a big health center in Massachusetts, and I'll
be there live leading whoever's in the room with me,
plus the whole live stream. So I'd be super excited
anybody can come and try Journey Dance for the first time.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Then you check that out at.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Proplu dot org and type in Tonybergens and you'll find
the Journey Dance live stream on December twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Wow, that is it. You're a busy lady into the
New Year. I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, I love you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He is one of my favorite holidays, so because I
love to leave danceingis one of them.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Dancing holiday.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Everyone's goes dancing I'm like, yes, I finally get a holiday.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I love it. And I appreciate each and every one
of you, guys. Thank you so much for your love
and support. Keeping in mind. Anyone to tell you that
you can't do what you want to do, you look
them square in the face, you tell them, don't believe me.
Just watch watch what I do, Watch me make it happen,
Watch me make history. That's what we're doing this for
the history books. Social media is nice, but real life
(15:33):
is so much better. Until next time, you guys,
What it is, what it do is cyber World.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is your girl, the one and only Ash Brown,
and this is the Ash said It show. Over two
thousand episodes since twenty fourteen, half a million streams around
the world. None of this is possible without you, guys,
So I thank you so so very much. Today we
have a wonderful author of the book Embody, Feel, Heal
(00:28):
and Transform your life through Movement. We got Tony Burgens.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey, Tony, Oh my god, I'm so excited to be
on your show.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I love your energy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I love the fact that you're putting good energy
out there. That's what the show is all about. I
love to see people putting out good energy into the world.
There's enough negative stuff out there. We need some good
positive vibes.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Absolutely. I consider myself an inspiration company and inspiration on
a blister. How do I help people like get into
their body and feel their lives and be in it
and just be so in their life that they're loving
it and it's not like it's not a torture, it's
not a problem, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Every day is a problem.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I want them to be like every day I get
to create, I get to feel what I want to feel.
I get to shift myself into a new state just
through music and movement, and that's kind of my thing. Yes,
that's my dream.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh my goodness. All right, So if we want to
get into the inspiration behind this particular book, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
The inspiration behind this book, well, I've been dancing for
so many years and teaching this movement for him called
journey dance, and I've watched so many people after the
class has suddenly come up to me and hug me
and run to me and be like, oh my god,
what was that? What just happened?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Why am I so happy?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Other people crying?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They're like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
God, I'm feeling my emotions. Why am I crying? I
love you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
People.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
They want to feel, they want to feel something, And
I just I had to write a book finally, after
you know, twenty seven years of just teaching and meeting
people and dancing with people from all over every which.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Where, you know, and just just that was the.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Inspiration behind this particular project.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That is, I have to get it down so more
people can.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Play with it and find it and do it on
their own if they're not able to come to the
dance floor.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, So as you had the inspiration for this book
and you wanted to put it out into the world.
What was that writing process for you?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What was that like? Oh wow, writing a book about
dance and movement and joy and celebration and shadows and
personal process work and emotions is definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Difficult because what I do is, you know, I play.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Music and I take people on journeys, you know, with music.
So to write all this I had to really go
deeper and explain why am I doing this?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
How does this work? How to turn music on? Affect
your body? You know, how to affect your body?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Right, you hear music and something happening, you love it,
you hate it, You dance to it, you cry to it,
you laugh to it, up and down. You know you
want to, you know, start completely running around and.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Leaping through the air. I mean music, it's so effective.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And then there's movement which feels so amazing, Like, how
do I explain that?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So I had to really go in it was It
was took me a year and.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
A half pretty much to get all the content that
I wanted into this particular volume.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Because there's so much more content.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I had to cut it down and make it really
try to get somebody at the essence of the work
so they could take it as a program and just
like run it and just run the whole program for
themselves and have a transformational effect.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes. Wow, now as you were in a lot of experimentation, Yes,
I would imagine like that. That is amazing. And I
don't think I've ever had, you know, like I said,
two thousand plus episodes, I don't think I've ever had
an author to write about dancing. I think this is
very interesting, This is very fascinating. Like I'm like, wow,
(03:52):
that is absolutely sensational to hear you talk about it,
because you know, anyone that's in you know that has
any kind of creativity going on with stuff, and as
far as dance and performance art and stuff, I don't
know a lot of them that actually put the form
down into book form.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So kudos well to you. Yeah, thank you. I mean
it was it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
One way that made it easier is I've been doing
teacher training perfect years, so I had a lot of writing,
and I write poetry, and I write affirmations and invocations
and prayers and all this stuff for myself and for
my students. So like, I have so much content but
I had to rewrite most of it, and you'll make it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
For a new reader who doesn't know me. And that
was really interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Thing with making the audiobook, I was like, all right,
I'm going to record this thing. I have to be
in my voice.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But I had the audition for my own audiobook. I
was so nervous. I wasn't going to get it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That is so awesome. Now walk us through the chapters
of this book. What is it like opening up this
book for the first time? What are we going to
experience in these chapters?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, so you're going to start out just being like, Okay,
who is this person? I'm going to be listening to for.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know, a couple of hours or reading reading for
many hours.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So I tell a little bit of my story.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know, my messy mind, you know my my body
image stuff, you know all the things that led me
to this, like dance floor. Then we're going to you know,
how is? How is how do we embody trauma? And
why are we all in pain? And why are we
continuing a vicious cycle of wounded people.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hurt other people?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Why are we still in this? So that we talk
about that, then I go into how is it. How
is it done?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's done through movement, music, creative visualization, sort of a
mind a mind shift, a mind altered where you're in
the music. It's like I call it an altered state.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then's to take.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
People through what is the process.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And then by chapter three we're diving in. So you're
now going to do embodying.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You're gonna you're going to roll around on the floor
with me.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You're gonna go to awakening, so you're going to get
into your spine and your energy, and you're going to
go to immersion, which is you're going to get into
like how do I be in my body? How do
I love this this physical vestal which holds my spirit? Like,
how do I be with my body? Then we go
into joy and how do we make joy? The baseline
emotion I call it the funky connection, where we're getting
(06:10):
into like dancing with ourselves in the mirror, dancing with
each other, dancing to the music. It is so like
lost in the music and the fans transported. Then the
next chapter is called evocative emotion. This is one of
my favorites, where we get into the emotional body. We
say like so if you're listening to it, you'll be
able to dance with me directly because I'm literally taking
you through the dance with music in the background.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Which I'm so excited I got. I had to buy
licenses for all.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
This music, but I said, I.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Have to do this.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I can't have an audio book with no music.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I got all the music.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So we'll go through grief, We'll go through angle, we'll
go through joy, We'll go through telling our story to
the dance floor. Then we go to the next chapter,
which is alchemy. How do I shape this up? How
do I compost all of this into something gold, into
my power, into my empowerment.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Then I go to celebration.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We play like big, loud, fun wild music.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Then we go into sensual.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
How do I take all this into the body and
how do I enjoy my life? The sensuality of light.
And we go into the dance of sensuality, which is
something that's very you know, triggering for some people. So
we have to really go slow and we take our
time and we feel the old wounds through this dance
process of proclaiming ourselves.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Then we go to the heart, which is Heart is.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Like my favorite chapter because It's all about everything culminates
in the heart, all the energy of who we want
to be and how we show up in the world.
And then we dance with our heart, and we do
it with psychodratic like I use scarves to represent your heart.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So you have your heart in your.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Arms, and you're dancing through the space and you're talking
to yourself and you're healing yourself. You're reparenting your repatterned,
and you're holding yourself in this way. Then we go
to what I call prayer and sort of divine alignment.
Whatever you believe in.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's all good with me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You just take that and we bring that and that's
how we close. Then the last chapter is called the
Mind Navigating your Mind, because the body is the most
amazing tool. But if your mind is not in sync
with your body, you're going to be in a battle.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Which is which is why I wrote a book.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Because I want people to learn how to work with
their mind and say, oh, is this a thought that
is making me feel good or thought that is making
me feel bad. It's that simple. I'm breaking it down
and I'm saying, how do you eject the thoughts that
make you feel bad? And start rewriting your mental script
that you have in your mindset.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So it's all that in one that's it. And then
I say.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Thank you, Tony. I just have to say, you make
me want to dance. I want to get out, just
dance around the room like nobody's watching. I don't care.
I want to dance with joy. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, I really went for it. I know we have
a short time, so I'm like, all right, I gotta
make good. All this is in there if you want
to know the chapter, So here we go, and in
each of those chapters, you're gonna dance. You're gonna you're
gonna put the book down, you're gonna get the audio.
You'll be dancing right then and there. But if you
if you want to go, and I have.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A portal I created where people can click into the portal.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
There's like a little QRCO in the book. You go
into the portal and there's playlists for every single.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Chime and videos for every chapter.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So you can dance with me, just me, and you
just put for There's nothing to be nervous about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, I love it. And today is December seventeenth, which
means that the audio is available the audiobook is ready.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So that it is coming out, Yes, Audible and all
those places the books are sold. I'm so excited about
the audiobook.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And what was that process like for you? As you
said you had the audition for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh, you should try that. That is exhausting.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's like it's to talk for at least to be
talking perfectly with no mistake for a while. I don't know.
I think it took me like a total of, you know,
fifteen hours with all the mistakes out take. And you
have to be on the edge of your seat because
you can't be like slumped me in your book right.
Like I noticed reading and reading and be.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Like, oh god, I'm not here, like I don't know
where I am.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Not to stop. I tell the guy that's not the
top to go back. I don't know what I just read.
And it was just hours and hours of that trying
to be.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Like in each moment, I'm like, eat in each moment,
you know, really a process. I was like, this is
I have I applaud people who do audio books. I
never knew how hard it was.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I was so tired after each stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I have to go home and literally I drive
home and just take a nap for two hours and
then get back up again like Okay, now I.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Can be normal again.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's that much energy.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's a process. Yeah, you you hit the nail head one.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Two thousand episodes of you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh yeah, and I got my own like auditions for
for audio work as well. And it does. It takes
a lot, and you have to, like you said, you
have to be very precise in your tone throughout the
whole process of whatever book you're reading, so I know
exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And also I'm sharing some personal stuff, so it's a
little bit. I was like, Oh, as I'm reading it,
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh my god, I can't believe I'm saying that. A wow.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I'm like, people are going to read this book. Oh
my god, my father wouldn't have that, you know whatever,
because I did talk a little bit about some difficult
in my life, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So you know, it takes some courage too.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think I was pretty courageous and I'm proud of
myself for doing it. And it's you know, I recommend
for everyone to take a risk, you know, be a
little bit more brave, you know, get out there and
do what you want to do and take that passion
that you have or whatever it is, and just.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Go for it because the world needs it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
As you said, so much more inspiration now to be creative,
to change the status quo.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know what I'm saying, change the narrative. Yeah, you're
absolutely right. Now last was certainly not least Tony. What
advice would you offer to anyone out there that maybe
hearing our voices right now that has never cut a rug,
They've never danced, they're scared of dancing. They're like, you
know what, Tony's crazy, I'm not gonna dance. What would
(11:48):
you say to them right now?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, I hear you, No, I hear you. I'm perably
want to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
All that makes me want to cry because dancing is
it's part of us all. It's in our blood, it's
in our dna. If it goes back to the original humans, rhythm,
it makes us move. And we know all of this,
all the things we studied, we know that dances is.
It's in every single culture and every single possibility across
the world.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
There's dance.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So first I say, it's just remember that it's inside
of the Second thing I.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Say is there's nothing to be afraid of, and I
know it takes courage and you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Have to be perfect. There's nothing. The thing about my
work is that there's no dance steps. There's no this
is how you do.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It, separate step left, count one, two, three, four, none
of that. It's just movement for the energy body. It's
movement for the physical bodies, movement for the emotional body.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
How do you move the energy?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
That's what I want to ask people. If you don't dance,
how do you move the energy? At least go for
a walk through something?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Please move your body.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But if you're willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And you know you love music, right, everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Loves something, even if it's classical music.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You could dance to that. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
What is just to put on some music and start
dancing and then try some of my playlist because you
might be shocked, like, oh this is really weird, but
I love it, you know what I mean. It's like
letting yourself feel a little weird. One of my dances
that I do with people, I call it do you
want to be perfect or do you want to be weird?
I have everyone trying to be perfect and it's just
awfully boring. Everyone's trying to be perfect, and they walk around.
(13:08):
Everyone sort of gets on their kicking coach for some reading,
and it's funny.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And then I think that would be weird, and everyone
talks moving like wild and all over the place, and
I'm like, look around, what God beautiful?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That is weird? So much better than perfect it is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You said it better than I ever could, Tony. Thank
you so much for coming through and just blessing us
with your energy and your presence. It absolutely transcends this conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You're so sweet and.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
A much more success you know to you and your
whole team and everyone that is putting this book to
the forefront. Let everyone know the best way to get
the book and to stay in contact with you and
maybe following your journey great well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The best way to get the book is you anywhere
books are.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Sold the fourth Amazon does have it, and all other booksellers,
Bar and the Noble, the whole thing. So anytime you
buy a book, if you would write me a review,
that would be awesome, And you can find me at
journey dance dot com. I could take a journey into
dance of journey dance dot com or Tonybergens dot com
and you can follow me on Instagram Tonybergen's Journey Dance Official.
(14:13):
You can find us everywhere and there's teachers all over
the country and and some other parts around the world.
People are leading Journey Dance and there's one place you
could actually find me. Since this has come out on
December seventeenth, I have a live stream happening on December
twenty eighth, which is a pre New Year's Last December
(14:34):
twenty eighth live stream, and that's at p Pallu Center,
which is a big health center in Massachusetts, and I'll
be there live leading whoever's in the room with me,
plus the whole live stream. So I'd be super excited
anybody can come and try Journey Dance for the first time.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Then you check that out at.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Proplu dot org and type in Tonybergens and you'll find
the Journey Dance live stream on December twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Wow, that is it. You're a busy lady into the
New Year. I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, I love you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He is one of my favorite holidays, so because I
love to leave danceingis one of them.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Dancing holiday.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Everyone's goes dancing I'm like, yes, I finally get a holiday.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I love it. And I appreciate each and every one
of you, guys. Thank you so much for your love
and support. Keeping in mind. Anyone to tell you that
you can't do what you want to do, you look
them square in the face, you tell them, don't believe me.
Just watch watch what I do, Watch me make it happen,
Watch me make history. That's what we're doing this for
the history books. Social media is nice, but real life
(15:33):
is so much better. Until next time, you guys,
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