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August 20, 2025 63 mins
In this episode, I’m joined by author, researcher and podcaster Justin Doc Brown. Doc is the host of the Prometheus Lens Podcast and author of the book The Epic of Esau. We had a great conversation about elongated skulls, Peruvian graverobbers stealing skulls, Brian Forester and the Path of Viracocha, the Great Diaspora with Joshua and Caleb, the Amalekites of the Levant (the Bloodlickers), Nephilim Giant Tribes, the Phoenicians, Bronze Age Navigation, elongated skull locations around the world, Julio Tello and the discovery of 300 skulls in the Paracas, Adena Mounds in Ohio Valley, Lovelock Cave and the Si Te Cah, Barry Fell from Harvard University studying the stone tablet with Paleo-Phoenician writing found at America’s Stonehenge, Graham Hancock and the Younger Dryas, Missing Copper from a copper mine in the Royal Isle Island in the Great Lakes, Fritz Zimmerman and his studies on the mounds, the Bealtaine festival, the King of Tyre and Lucifer, Deuteronomy 32, Psalm 82, the 10 ft. tall Allegewi (al-uh-GAY-wee) giants of Appalachia who lost a war to the Lenape Indians and fled down the Mississipi River, the pale-skinned, red-haired Urukehu giants of the Pacific Ocean (Peru, Easter Islands, New Zealand, Catalina Islands who were the offspring of the Patupaiarehe (pah-too-pie-ah-reh-heh) spirits, the Nephilim, pyramids and the lost history of the U.S., the legends of Viracocha (el dios creador supremo) and serpent boats, Quetzalcoatl, the Book of Enoch, Seven Sacred Sciences and forbidden knowledge, Ed the Head and the anatomy of elongated skulls, .css-j9qmi7{display:-webkit-box;display:-webkit-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webkit-flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;font-weight:700;margin-bottom:1rem;margin-top:2.8rem;width:100%;-webkit-box-pack:start;-ms-flex-pack:start;-webkit-justify-content:start;justify-content:start;padding-left:5rem;}@media only screen and (max-width: 599px){.css-j9qmi7{padding-left:0;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;}}.css-j9qmi7 svg{fill:#27292D;}.css-j9qmi7 .eagfbvw0{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;color:#27292D;}
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
All right, folks, welcome back to another episode of the
Awakened podcast. I'm your host Brad Lee, and joining me
on the show today is author, researcher, and podcaster Justin
Doc Brown. Doc is the host of the Prometheus Lens
podcast and author of the book The Epic of Esau.
We had a great conversation about the anatomy of elongated skulls,
places they've been found around the world, and their connection

(01:26):
to the Nephlum. We also talked about Serpent Mountain, Ohio,
the ten feet tall Allegaywe giants of Appalachia who lost
a war to the Lenape Indians and fled down the
Mississippi River, and the pale skin, red haired Urakura giants
of the Pacific Ocean who are the offspring of the
Patu Paiarehe spirits. Doc brought the heat on this one,

(01:47):
as he always does, and I'm excited to share this
one with us. So with that said, let's get right
into the conversation. I saw you on the Court Rejectson
when you were talking about the elongated skulls, and I
was like, I gotta do an episode on that. What
I want to do next, man? And so I had
you on the show today just to talk about elongated
skulls and the red haired giants, and I want to
kind of pick your brain on that, man, and see

(02:08):
what you think of all this. What I've had Mondo
Gonzales on the show, have had La Marzouli, and we've
talked about elongated skulls a little bit, but not as
in depth, and I kind of wanted to, uh, I guess,
get a better understanding of I know, there's there's there's
certain things like cranial different cranial formation. Is that what

(02:29):
it's called formation? Yeah? I was gonna say reformation with
this out right, And and then I think Mondo was
telling me about because I had I think I asked him.
I said that first of all, they don't ever find
any really any bodies with these skulls. They just find skulls, right,
And it's like I asked him, I said, are they

(02:50):
are they like, are they typically attached to giants? And
I think if I remember correctly, he said that, no,
they're typically attached to these little short beings. Is that wrong?
Am I wrong about? Did they mishear that or something?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, well Mondo he was one of the guys that
went down with la on one of his trips down
there to you know, Peru and study all these things.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
But I think what he was referring to is like
the the full bodies that we do have preserved to
this day, A lot of them are you know, juveniles
and infants. But Nick, on the Occult Rejects, I think
it was a cosmic peach. She kind of asked the
same question on the show, and she's like, what's the

(03:33):
deal with the skulls? We only find the skulls.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
You know?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
She said, So is it like a like a vamporistic
thing or that's how they thought, that's why you killed
a giant. So they just chopped off their heads and
that's why we're finding all just just heads. And but
I told her that thanks to reading like Brian Forster's books.
You know, Brian lives down there. He's lived in there

(03:55):
for a long time, so he's really immersed in the
culture and knows the locals and the peak pull and
all that stuff he talks about his books. And once
again I might be mispronouncing this or saying it wrong,
but hey, I'm close. But the grave robbers down there,
they called them sikaras or something close to that, but

(04:16):
they were grave robbers and that's where we get, you know,
ninety percent of our archaeological stuff from down there, because
that's something that there's not science teams like we have
in Europe or in America that's going through with brushes
and trying to find all this stuff. So these grave
robbers are going and digging and finding these grave sites

(04:39):
and it's very lucrative, a lot of money involved in it.
Especially you got rich people in America or Europe that
want to collect these elongated schools and you know, highest
strangeness things that these elongated s goals bring big money
on the black market, so that's what they're interested in.

(05:00):
So when they dig up a grave and they find
they had the whole body's there. But I don't think
they wants to head, so just break the head off
and take off running with it and put it out
on the black market. I think that's why we just
have heads in so many instances, because it's from these sikaras,
these grave robbers.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I saw this thing where they're like in Peru. Basically
every construction company digs up like these megalithic ruins and
these graves and all this stuff on accident. It's like
everywhere they dig, it's like ninety six percent of everywhere
they dig, they're going to find like these ancient graves
of ancient peoples, and some of them do have those

(05:42):
elongated skulls in them, So it's probably not even just
grave robbers. It's probably just construction workers who are just
coming across and like, hey check this out, bro, and
they're showing on their buddies and stuff like that. So yeah,
I just read that the other dam in Peru is
like loaded, And is there a reason for that? You
mentioned Brian Forster. He talks about like the path of
very coaching, right where it's like there's like a trail

(06:05):
or something. I mean, I'm probably way off on this
because I haven't looked into it. Too much. But there's
like a trail that they've they I see they the
giants have had taken maybe after a great the great
flood or something.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
No, of course, with me, we don't know what. We
can speculate and look at, you know, evidences and things
and kind of put our puzzle pieces together and form
a pretty educated guess.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
But I think honestly was either the Great Flood. There
might be a mixture of things, but I think a
big flow of that is from what they call the
Great Diaspora. When Joshua and Caleb was going into the
Holy Land. You know, this is where you know, God said,
you know, kill every man, woman and child and animal.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
And all those tribes that he that they were told
to do that were Nephelum giant tribes. So I think
a lot of them, well the smart ones anyway, seeing
how fast they were taking out these giant tribes in
these cities. You know they heard about Jericho, them just
marching around the wall and blowing their trumpets and the

(07:10):
whole freaking walls of the cities come crumbling down. They
just destroyed the Amalekites in the wilderness. And these guys
were the fierce warriors of the Levant. Their name means
the blood liquors. They were known sorcerers and shape shifters
according to the ancients accounts. So the people higher north
heard about this, and they're like, hell Na, I ain't

(07:33):
fighting these dudes, you know, I ain't ready to die.
I'm gonna run. And that's what a lot of them did.
They went farther north into Europe, into Russia, and then
a lot of them were already known as great seafaring people,
you know, the Phoenicians. I think they sailed and went west.

(07:55):
And what's crazy is I can't remember the guy's full name,
but he was.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
What do you call it, like a.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Danish or Swedish scientist, and his first name was Thor
or something. But he was on this same thought that
where everybody talks about, no, we were isolationists. The people
just stayed in their little spots and didn't go out
and venture out. But the people that a lot of

(08:25):
people think that we were sailing the seas long before
Columbus and how everybody else thought. So he done this experiment,
but he thought that even if a lost ship like
a row boat lost its oars or a sailboat, that
was just lost that the currents and winds would naturally
take them into the Caribbean Islands or South America, the
Gulf of America. So he just lost this little boat

(08:49):
and just floated, and it took a little while, but
he wound up right in the Caribbean Islands and the
Gulf of Mexico. So I think these Phoenicians and stuff
were sailing trying to run away from this mass extension
war that was going on, and wound up in South America.
And I think that's why we have such a shm

(09:12):
mortgage board and large amounts of these skulls there, because
I think that's kind of where they first landed and
they spread out from there.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
But Peru gets all the attention.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I made this little list when I went on
with them guys, because it kind of blew my mind.
Here's a list of places that these elongated skulls are found.
Of course Peru. One famous guy's name was Julia Otello.
He found over three hundred elongated skulls in nineteen twenty
eight alone. But they're in Bolivia, Chile, Mexico, the United States.

(09:48):
The Chinokan and Choctaw Indians were dug up and found
to have elongated skulls. The Caribbean, Russia, France, Germany, Central Asia, China,
the Middle East, Africa, Egypt, and even the Oceania region
of Polynesia, Papua New Guinea. And one of them is
called the natu or even headbinding a steel practice today,

(10:11):
and they say it's to resemble their cultural deities.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
There's a lot of them in in the the Americas.
I mean there's the you know, allegedly in the aDNA
Mountains in Ohio, right in the Ohio Valley. And there's
obviously the ones in Peru, the Lovelock Cave, there was
allegedly giants or skulls found there there. And that's the
Citika is that they're called the red haired Citka and

(10:40):
it's always like red haired, white skinned. There's always these
this lore you know, in meso America and in Mesopotamia too, dude,
I mean Mesopotamia. Rams Is the second had red hair.
They discovered he had red hair and all that stuff
as well. I heard something I heard you mentioned or
somebody mentioned something on the show that you were on
with the Occult Rejects that they said there is like

(11:03):
a stonehenge of the Americas that they found the tablet,
is that correct? And they were talking about the Joshua and.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Caleb Roger Stone. He's the owner of America's Stone. He
up in New Hampshire. And as they were because there's
some caverns and little things that are collapsed there and
they was trying to, you know, open them up and
dig them out and see, you know, what was in
them and stuff. And one of the collapse chambers that

(11:29):
they had kind of pulled apart and got in there
and got to look, and they found this huge slab
of stone, but it had all this carvings and writings
on it that they couldn't make out. Didn't know what
it was. And they were reaching out to all these
different professors and stuff trying to figure out what it was,
and nobody knew what it was. But one of the
people that they had reached out to was professor Barry

(11:52):
Fell from Harvard University, and he was fascinated with the
giants and the the Lost history of America, you know,
he wrote books and stuff on it. When he seen it,
he emailed them back and was like, yes, I'd like
to come look at these things in person. He said,
I think I know what they are, he said, but

(12:13):
I don't want to speak and get you know, you
guys excited, or give any kind of false presumptions. I
want to come see it in person before I you know,
come out on a limb and say anything. And he
went out and inspected them in person, and he said
that it was just basically ancient Paleo Phoenician writing, and
he deciphered it and it said basically, it said something

(12:35):
along the lines of we the Canaanites.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Dedicate this site to bail.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
And it's wild because I think a big portion of them,
like I said, in the Great Diash Pra landed, you
know in South America, that Gulf of Mexico area, and
a lot of them just settled there. And then we
also have proof that there was a group of Phoenicians
that came into like the New Hampshire area, and they
speculate people at Graham Hancock like the Younger dryass Age

(13:06):
and stuff like that, or you know, shortly after that
the water levels were higher and that you could take
a path straight into the Great Lakes and they're at
that Royal Isle Island, like it's right in between the
United States and Canada. There's this huge copper mine and
it's like hundreds and hundreds of thousands or tons I

(13:28):
think of copper missing. And it's tested like ninety eight
point eight percent pure, and it's the purest copper found
in the world. So it's got a distinct marker. And
so they found copper everywhere, I mean seriously, everywhere Europe,
South America, the Levant, Mexico, everywhere, and it's testing at

(13:49):
this ninety eight point eight percent pure. So they know
that this comes from up there in the Lake Michigan area.
And they also found this huge rock that has this
Venetian ship carved into it. I mean it's distinct. I
mean when they look at it say yeah, that's a
Phoenician style ship. So these Phoenicians were even fueling the
Bronze Age. And you find that stone with the canaanite

(14:13):
riding on it, you know, dedicating to Belle Thanks to
Fritz Zimmerman and his studies on the mounds and stuff,
a lot of these mounds and hinges line up to
Belle Taine, which is May the first I mean the
you know two and two makes four usually.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing. I mean, even Phoenix, Phoenicia,
Phoenix that's where you know, we get the phonetic language
from as well, which I think is word magic. And
I think that it's interesting, like the Phoenician region was
where Tire was, and the king of Tire was Hiram,
right king him.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
There was a physical king, you know of Hireum and
things like that. But when you get into Ezekiel twenty eight,
that's a condemnation to the King of Tire and he
comes out and physically, you know, condemns you know, this
fleshly king. But like halfway through, the wording changes and

(15:06):
it's no longer talking to a human, it's talking to
a spiritual entity and it's Lucifer.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
It says that you were in the garden of Eden
and perfect in all your ways until iniquity was found
in you, and every precious stone was your covering and
names all the stones of the priestly ephod and it said,
but you was cast from the mountain of God as
a profane thing, and you know you were an anointed

(15:31):
guardian Cherub. So I mean that tells you right there,
they ain't talking about this king anymore. So I think
that it was kind of like the whole Deuteronomy thirty
two thing that the sons of God that was given
dominion over the nations, he divided up, you know, the
lands and the peoples as an inheritance to his children.
And according to like Psalms eighty two, it says, how

(15:54):
long will you rule unjustly? You show partiality to the wicked.
You desire to live an eternal life, but you shall
die and fall like any prince. So I think that's
what it was. It's like this either Satan or a
Satan like figure was like over the tire region and
kind of pulling the streams of this this leader and

(16:15):
like as a proxy, whispering in his ear, and the
kind of influence and even like this prophet was was
calling that entity.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Out like ball.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
It could have been ball, right, many names, Yeah, so
you know and.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
That and that's so it's interesting when you look at
like again we cause you mentioned the names of places,
I mean the names of places in the United States.
It's like, where did they come from? You know, we
have all these crazy spots around the United States and
they have very strange names that sound like I've heard
like Utah could be Judah because of the way it's
pronounced and said and everything, and it's like it's very

(16:48):
interesting when you start uncovering all this and it's like,
you know, you mentioned that Josh and Caleb kind of
was like fighting all these things off or whatever. Right,
But it's like what if what if they just fled
after the flood. What if the flood washed them all
the way and then some of them made their way
into the into the Americas and that was the only
land they could inhabit, Like New Zealand, for example, there's

(17:09):
like one of the tallest places in the world is
in New Zealand. One of the tallest mountains in the
world is in New Zealand, and so it would be
enough to get away from a flood. And that isn't
isn't that The region that these red haired giants inhabited
is the New Zealand, Easter Islands, Peru. It's like a triangle, right,
even the Cattaliana Islands, which is northwest, they've found red

(17:32):
haired giants giants bones with red hair as well in
that area. So it's like that whole region must have
been a spot for them to seek refuge at and
kind of try to make life happen again. And their
numbers were probably too small to continue repopulating to the
numbers that they had before. And I think that that

(17:53):
was intentional. I think God to you know, probably wash
these things out, because in my mind, the red haired giants,
these were all the Nephlum. They were white skin and
red hair and all this stuff, just like Paul Stobbs
talks about. Obviously a lot of people talk about as well,
but Paul has a great book about So it's interesting. Man,
I feel like they fled this and there's there's still
stories of the Allegayway. Who are these giants that lived

(18:19):
in the mountains in Pennsylvania, Ohio, those regions in the
in the Appalachian Mountains? Hope am I saying that right?
Appalachia or Appalachia.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I'm a redneck, but we say Appalachia Appalachia.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, you guys know better than I do. We got
some towns in South Carolina that are like only South
Carolinians know how to pronounce the names of you know.
So but yeah, there's you know, said then the Allegayway
lived in the and by the way, uh shout out
to Freddy Silva for tipping me off to this kind
of stuff, because I didn't know about that, and he
was like, well, you know about the alle Gayway, and

(18:52):
that's where they get the name Alleghany National Forest and
the Allegheny River from and all that stuff was the Allegayway,
which were the red hair giants that used to live
in that region, and they would fortify themselves and have
all this research. Man that I could go through, but
it's in the interest of time, I probably wouldn't go
through it. But they they're they're talked about as like
this this people that were trying that were dying to survive,

(19:15):
that they couldn't repopulate fast enough or something on those lines,
and so they were dying off and so they started
trying to re populate with human women, you know. They
they were and they were successful in They weren't successful
in the Allegheny area. They were successful a little bit
in the Parakan area right in the Easter Island area.

(19:37):
The Majori people And I'm going to jack the name up,
but it's called Pa to Pa too pi Ah. Hey,
that's a long name, but that's what they were. They
were these fairies that lived in the mountains in the
misty areas is what they call it. And they would
mate with Mayori people of Easter Island or in that region,

(20:00):
and they created a race of people called the Urukuhu,
and the Irakuhu still exists today, or some of them
still exist today, and they and they have like allegedly
have this this giant bloodline in them. So it's interesting, man,
how they're already all kind of shifted to the to
the Americas in a way. You know, maybe they were
in the Middle East, or maybe they were just maybe

(20:21):
the continents were connected all at some point like a Pangaea.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, that's kind of what I think, because it is
if you look at there's people, by the way who
haven't been taught or they don't look at South America
and Africa and how they match up perfectly. Or the
coast of United States looks just like it broke away
from from South America or from Africa. So maybe it
was just a giant continent that had all these things
on it. And I think America is full of mounds

(20:49):
and pyramids and all this stuff. And you and I
are doing the same thing. We're going out and we're
examining some of these places. And I just did a
trip to Wyoming, dude, And I'm telling you, now, those
are not mountains in Wyoming. There's a lot of places.
There are a lot of mountains in Hawaii. Is one
of what I'm saying is there there are a lot
of places that look like just like pyramids. I mean,
they're pretty obviously pyramids, and nobody's talking about it. I

(21:12):
mean even my wife is like, nah, that's just and
I was. I asked my son, I was like, does
that like a pyramid? And he was like, yeah, this
looks exactly like a pyramid. But my wife, who's very
like nah, science and education tells us this and yeah,
like no, that's definitely a pyramid. And I took a
bunch of pictures because and it was like everywhere I turned,
it was another one and another one, another one. So

(21:33):
I think that I think that the history of the
world is very unique, and I think that there are
governments are kind of hiding this information from us, maybe
because they're afraid that another cataclysm type of thing is
going to happen. Maybe they're afraid of us interacting with
these portal type of areas to get forbidden knowledge. I
don't know, but it seems like they're definitely keeping this
information away from us for some reason, you know, for

(21:54):
some big reason.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And how you had mentioned earlier that the path of Erica,
that's something that really fascinated me, and I found that
through Brian Forrester's work, and like you had talked about,
we either had this cataclysmic event and this race of giants,
these hybrid beings that were survived, you know, they got

(22:18):
spread across the nations and stuff, and then you have
this great diaspora I think happened also. But the legends
of Verracocha and Quasi Kettle are mirrored images of each other,
and I find that fascinating how it matches with the
whole great diaspora that these Phoenicians, you know, got on

(22:41):
their boats and the natural wind and currents of the
ocean leads you right to this area anyway. And the
legend of Vericoca specifically, it says that he arrives on
a boat of serpents without paddles, so a natural current
or wind took him here and he shows up with

(23:05):
a group of people like his disciples basically, and they're
called the Vera coach On and they were described as
pale skinned, red haired long beards and even elongated skulls,
and that they get off and they're worshiped as gods.
They do just like the Book of Enoch says that

(23:26):
the fallen angels came down and they gave them the
seven sacred sciences, you know, taught them forbidden you know knowledge.
They said that Verrakocha and his Vera coach on civilized
the people there, taught them to be peaceful, not fight
each other, into how to grow crops and their seasons,
and how to build these megalithic structures and all this

(23:49):
stuff and the cities that the legend gives it follows
like a northwestern path across the continent. And when you
follow that path, the Viracocha all those cities listed without fail,
every single time at those cities is huge megalithic structures
and elongate his goals out the wazoo. And then he

(24:13):
leaves after he civilized the continent. But as he leaves,
he tells them that one day he'll return, and so
to be prepared basically, and that's why when the Spaniards
show up, the Spaniards they show up on these large boats,
their pale skin, big long beards, they're wearing this metal

(24:37):
armor played glistening and glowing in the sun. They thought
that this was a return of Viracocha and the Vera
Kocha on and so they welcomed him with open arms,
gave them gifts and food and women and the gold
and silver and all these conquista doors. Is like, hell,
we'll just go along with whatever they're doing here, because

(24:58):
they're just giving us everything after risk any of our
men or anything. And then once they you know, kind
of called on to the Ruse, they started fighting them back.
But at that point they were done so far deep
into the territory. It had so many people there, I mean,
that's why they took over the continent like they did.
But there's conquisadors and explorers, Spanish explorers. They founded in

(25:21):
their journals and documents that when they got there there
was a group of people that were natives, but they
were taller than the other people. They were pale skin,
red haired, and had elong added skulls, and that the
Spaniards asked, you know, the locals, the dark skin people
that couldn't grow facial hair and was shorter. You know, hey,

(25:43):
who are these people? And they're like, oh, this is
the descendants of the Varrakocin. So I mean they tell
you right there that they're descendants of these people, Yes,
some of.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Them, but I mean didn't La and Mondo didn't they
discover that they're their blood types were different when they
studied these skulls. Then they then they then they do
DNA tests on these skulls and determine that they were
like uh, most of Native Americans, like, oh, they have
an old blood type, and all these skulls had A

(26:16):
and A B negative or A and A B blood types.
Is that.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Which the ones they tested?

Speaker 5 (26:23):
You know?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Of course they could. They didn't test a mile, but
they tested a handful of them. But the far As
like tracing the lineages. I'm not familiar with the blood types,
but the lineages. Uh, I'll go back, uh to the East.
They said, yeah, they said that it's a European and
the Levant. They says it's more predominantly you know, Middle

(26:47):
Eastern and the Levant. But it's like a mixture of
European and the Levant. So it's kind of like you know,
this great diaspora. Maybe we're talking about this event that
they went north for a while and enter bred with
the people of Europe and then maybe got on a
boat and then went out to east and went out
this way. But a lot of scientists, and I'm so

(27:11):
glad that doctor Judd and Aaron Judkins and La and
Mondo and all them guys when that aren't actually studied
these things and did what they did, because a lot
of them just want to say, oh, well, this is
head boarding, this is headbinding, it's natural, and it's like, well, why, okay, yeah,
I am disagree, and some of them are, But why
would they do this because they're venerating these vericoching, these

(27:36):
people that they thought were gods. I mean, why would
you go through this pain and suffering, you know, strapping
boards and ropes to your head constantly tighten them for
ten years to get this deformation? I mean it had
to be important. And some of them, thanks to their studies,
they know is not from headbinding. And I brought ed

(27:58):
the head to kind of show off here, But this
is one of the juvenile skulls that they found in Perracus,
and that La and Mondo and all these guys held
and studied and measured, and they brought optometris with them
and everything to study this guy. It has no sadresutra,
and all the ones they found from headbinding still have

(28:21):
that sadresutra. It doesn't change that. And then another thing
is that the mounting point of the head. Here's where
the magnus for rainmom, this is where the spine mounts
to the head. Well, if you look up a normal
human skull or even the ones deemed from headbinding, this
anchor point is here. It's all the way here in

(28:41):
the center because it's for balance. But this extra long
elongated head it's mounted here that way it can counterbalance
and be looking forward because if it was at that
other spot here in the center, they'd be looking up
at the sky all the time. So that shows you
that head by thing didn't change this anchor point, that

(29:02):
this is genetic, it's programmed in. The head binding still
had their Sadrisutra lines. So therefore these it's programmed in.
Is that really it's a casting, but it's a replica.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Okay, that was saying pretty cool, dude.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, the the eye orbits.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
The elongated skulls doesn't change the size of the eye orbits.
These that they found that were you know, a hybrid
race natural they're twenty to twenty five to thirty percent larger,
and so the optometers said, well, they're twenty five to
thirty percent larger, so the pupils would have been the

(29:42):
same bigger, and that even the distance here is closer.
So it's built like a like a night predatory animal,
like an owl. So he speculated that he thinks it's
a high likelihood that these things had night vision, and
that goes along with all of your your giant lore.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
They like to be there.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
They were cave dwellers, you know the city ka that
you mentioned earlier. And I can't remember the names of
them now, but I could look it up and find
it for you. But there's sets of holes that every
school has, and there's like two here, two here, and
then the mandible there was two one side of the
lower jaw too on the other. So all those are universal.

(30:26):
But these elongated skulls that they found that were natural,
they had all these distinctive markers that I was talking about,
have an extra set of two here that normal human
skulls don't have, even the ones from headbinding don't have.
And these holes are where nerve endings and blood vessels

(30:46):
go through your your skull. And so the doctor that
found that speculated that you know, this was natural obviously,
he said. So the only thing that he could conclude
was that this was an extra head of holes for
nerve endings and blood vessels to carry blood flow to
the back of this head that was elongated to have

(31:09):
proper blood flow because it was programmed in the DNA,
because it was born this way.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Interesting, dude, I'll read you something real quick. I read
about the I want to try to say it again.
Patu pirah Okay, that's the red haired giants that inhabited
the Easter Island, New Zealand, Peru or you know, the
Parakan area. They so this is what it says. It

(31:37):
says the Patu paia Rahi are a mythical race in
Maori lore. They're fair skinned with red or fair hair.
They live in misshrouded forests or mountain peaks. They're often
depicted as elusive nocturnal beings with a stronger version to sunlight,
fire and cook food. And basically they were saying like

(31:58):
they only eat like you know, basically their carnivores, they
humans and all this other stuff. And so this is
the These are the same ones that basically were mating.
They would come down and they would mate with the
Maori people and they created that Urukuhu race and the
Irakuhu okay is. It's very interesting because I had to

(32:20):
look this up real quick because I'm gonna get wrong
because I'm a dumb dumb they uh there was so
that I was looking at where the region that they
might have come from, and it was is the Caucaus
Mountains near Armenia. And a lot of people think Armenia
is like the cradle of civilization. They really think that
Armenia was where, not Sumeria, although Sumeria there's a lot

(32:40):
of overlap, but Sumeria they had a they had a
city called uruk right, and then the Armenia had a
kingdom of ur Urartu. So their language was very same. Yeah,
and they their language was very similar. And that you
are at the beginning the Urukuhu, Right, It's like maybe

(33:01):
they shifted after some kind of a devastation in the
Armenian region and they shifted over to that, you know,
over to the Americas. So that's pretty interes. A lot
of this stuff tracks it ties in and again if
you look at like King Ramses, the second from like
I said, from Egypt. He had red hair. He had
sort of a kind of an elongated skull. Wasn't like

(33:21):
he wasn't like the one you just showed me, but
it was sort of you know, like I guess a
lot of version of it.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Shoot?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
King Tut had an elongated head. Uh what was his father? Oconoaten?
He was definitely depicted with the elongated head, and a
lot of people speculate that those hats, you know, covered
that head.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Why was it shaped like that?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
You know, of course that's speculation, but you ain't speculating
with Acaton because his h depictions in those drawings and carvings,
he don't have the hat on, and that thing is
elongated as can be. And then his wife is also
depicted with no hat on, with this elongated head, and
one of them she's even holding elongated head baby breastfeeding it.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
So I mean you have that stuff everywhere.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, And see people think that Nefertiti like the the
word nepher, like there weren't nephilim. They think it's the
word in the fall. I actually think it's like neffer
as in Nephilim. You know, like I don't think that.
So when you think of Nephertidi, the word neffer like
in my opinion is that race of you know, the
people with the long heads and stuff like that, which

(34:39):
again ties into the Nephalum. So yeah, man, there's that.
You know, there's this mythology that the Atlanteans, that they
were the Atlanteans, Like they were considered the Atlanteans because
they had all this information about future, you know, how
to use electromagnetic energy, you know, and all this stuff
and they were teaching it to you know, the Mayans,
I believe were even called the word Mayan in Egypt

(35:02):
is fair water people, I believe. So like, so then
you got then you have something that's like were they
the Mayans as well? Were the the Atlanteans? Were they
the o Mags? Were they all this civilization that spread
out or were they all here on the earth in
one area? God flooded them and then the continent split

(35:27):
and now I'm just.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Sea there are all pieces of that puzzle that remnant
of people.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And to me that makes sense because I always took
the opinion that Atlantis was an allegory for the pre
flood world the pre flood world was the Golden age,
when the gods walked amongst men, you know, when the
angels came down and bred with the daughters of men
and made this you know Demi gods like Hercules, Perseus

(35:55):
and all these legends talk about and these were the giants,
and they gave them the secrets of heaven to forbid knowledge.
So therefore they had high technology and pharmachea and all
this kind of stuff. So I mean, it's an Atlantis
style world. I always took that as an allegory for
the pre flood world. And here comes to flood the

(36:16):
destruction to knock it out and knock them out of
the Golden age. Now keet the reset button.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's kind of how I take it too, Like God
did this intentionally, and you know you can see that.
That's why a lot of these coastlines are like blurred
out on Google Google Maps and Google Earth. Like if
you go to Google Earth and you try to look
at coastlines around the world, all of it's blurred out,
just like Antarctica's blurt out. And I think the reason
for that is is because like right off the coast
of Louisiana, there's pyramids underneath the ocean, right, It's like,

(36:47):
you know, people aren't talking about the pyramids off the
coast of Japan and all these other places. There's a
place in Egypt that they discovered that this guy has
been working to try to get the governments and help
with for like forty years, and he discovered like like
all these ancient ruins, and Egypt keeps ignoring it. Basically,
they're like, no, it doesn't exist, you know. And I

(37:07):
think that there seems to be some kind of a
knowledge that, you know, because I think that our government
is doing that with like national forests and stuff, right.
I think they're covering all this stuff up right now
and saying.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
The Native American Act, you know, you can't dig into
the mounds because they're natives, you know. But yeah, I
think that the people, the powers that be know of
this lost civilization. But at the same time, it's like
it could be a mixture of things. It could be
that they found some of this remnant of this ancient
technology and they're trying to keep it to themselves, or

(37:43):
they're in the process of trying to reverse the engineer
and figure it out. So they're keeping the public away
from it until they figure it out or extract what
they want from it, and then at the same time,
it confirms the biblical narrative. So therefore I mean that
they can't go with that.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's what I keep
telling people. I'm like, I feel like there's probably a
faction of the government who's trying to keep us away
from these sites, these portals and places that where you
could you could go interact with these currents, with these
electromagnetic energies. Which is funny because this is where the
idea for caducis comes from. The medical symbol like Arthur
and Merlin were using these these sacred sites, like these

(38:23):
stone circles and places like that to heal people. And
so what they were doing, they were going to these
places and they looked like wizards because they're getting all
these this information, this download of information from the serpent energy.
The serpent energy is the telurric currents that swirl around
in this area. You mentioned the currents that took them
to South America. Right, those currents are flowing and they're

(38:45):
kind of encircled and trapped in these portal areas, and
this is where they interacted with those fallen entities. This
is where they got information for the Forbidden Knowledge and
all this stuff. And so I think that I think
that our government probably knows that that happened like that,
that's where these because you know, Stone Hinge was intentionally

(39:06):
destroyed at some point, and so was go Beckley Teppe.
It was covered up intentionally with different kinds of dirt
and all this stuff. So I feel like our governments
probably know, and there's's a faction that's keeping this away
from it. But you're right, I think that there's also
a faction that's probably working with these things too, and
like getting advanced knowledge and technologies and all this stuff,
and that we're trading human you know, we're given that

(39:30):
we're letting them abduct humans and stuff like that to
create these this hybrid race of beings that are trying
to inhabit the earth. Because just like I said what
I just read with the and I'm going to try
to say it again, the Patu pi Arahi, they they
are afraid of light, and what is light? Light is God,
God is light? Right, they haven't aversion to sunlight and
firing cooked food because they are they're bloodthirsty you know,

(39:55):
they're bloodthirsty nocturnal beings that are reptilian like you know.
So anyways, that was long winded, but I do feel
like they.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Are go ahead, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you go ahead,
I interrupted you.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
No, I just think that you're right about that. They're
definitely there's definitely more to it that they're probably trying
to reverse engineer some things. They try to get information
and all this stuff, and they're in they're they're intentionally
keeping us out of these places like the national forests
and stuff like that, and you can't dig here, and
you can't do that because they don't want you to
rediscover these places and access this information on your own.

(40:33):
I really believe that, especially after go into some of
these places and not only going to someone, but discovering
some of these places on my own without any kind
of map, Google Map taking me there anything like that,
just stumbling across them in the woods, that kind of stuff.
That's what the guys from the Appalachian Intelligence UH did
with the with that giant pyramid thing they found in
the woods, right, They just kind of stumble on and

(40:55):
what the heck is this? And I feel like there's
a lot of that kind of stuff going on, and
it's the United States is totally unexplored or at least,
like you know, people just kind of think, oh, because
of what we've been taught in school, that everything happened
in the least and nothing happened in the United States
at all. That's asinine to me that nothing happened in
the United States at all, you know. And like you

(41:16):
just mentioned copper, like gopher wood, isn't it found in Florida.
Isn't it like one of the only places you can
get gopher wood that they built the arc with? And
then I don't think i've heard yeah, yeah, So so
there was obviously there was much more going on in
the United States than than what they are telling us.
And there's a place in Montana that I was really
wanting to go to when I was in Wyoming, but

(41:38):
it was like another four hour drive away, and it's
called Sage Wall and it's this negolithic structure that's just
like Peru. And it's right on that line that you're
talking about, that path of very cooching kind of thing.
I think that's what you're talking about, right, It goes
right through that from Peru on up through the Americas.
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Let me see, I got it right here. I don't
want to quote.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
I'll just pull it up a path of air couture
there it is.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
It goes to like the northwestern tip of the continent,
so it's probably like before you get into Mexico and
Panama and all that stuff. It kind of cuts that away.
But those people that got this knowledge, I mean, I

(42:29):
don't think it'd be out of the question that they
ventured farther north and took some of the building practices
and stuff with them. One thing that's really cool is
which I recorded it almost two years ago. Now I
need to put the stuff together there. But I went
to Serpent Mound in Ohio and done some filming there
and got some dir own footage and talked to some

(42:52):
of the locals. And one of them was an Indian
woman and she was married to this guy who was
a geologist. They had this rock shop and they're really cool.
But I talked to them and they turned me onto
a lot of cool out of the box ideas. And
they were even saying that a lot of people think
this is a serpent eating an egg, and he said,

(43:14):
but people failed to realize that what you're seeing now
at Serpent Mound is a reconstruction of what they thought
it looked like. That the original guy, I can't remember
his name now, but when he found it and drew
his drawings and stuff, it was pretty much it was

(43:35):
decayed a lot and broken down. It wouldn't upcap And
they showed some of those other drawings and there was
little mounds and like little legs looked like coming off
of this round looking egg thing originally, and that they
tried to reconstruct it and rebuild it to what they
thought it looked like, and that's how it got this

(43:55):
image now. But they've done like thermal imaging of it,
and you could even see the ground disturbed in these places,
and it looks like legs kind of branching off at
the front and in the back, and then at this
egg at the front of it, there's like this little
pyramid basically this little knot at the front. And so

(44:16):
he was saying that the natives believed that this was
originally a snake eating a turtle, and that they called
North America Turtle Island, and that this is the great
serpents Quasi kettle or amru. So people think that's how
America was named amaru was this serpent the land of

(44:39):
the serpent, But how Mexico looks like this serpent tail
coming up into the North America Turtle Island, and that
they were saying that this is the people of South America,
Mexico traveling north with their god Quasi kettle with them,

(45:00):
and they were devouring Turtle Island, taking over Turtle Island.
And that's how a lot of the culture came, especially
the growing of corn. That corn wasn't something that was
indigenous originally. They theorized to North America that it was
a South American and Mexican thing, and that there was
legends and stories, mythology about quast kettle and growing the

(45:24):
corn and the harvest seasons and all this kind of stuff.
So that when they traveled north into America, they brought
with them their god, their legends and mythology of their god,
and also the corn and the seasons and growing of corn.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, this place is way more interesting than what they'd
teach us and' DoD. I mean, how cool would school be,
how cool would church be? If we could learn these
kind of things in church and school? I mean, it
would be awesome dude, if you could. It's like a
Harry Potter book. It's like a you know, Star Wars movie.
It's like all the things that, yeah, no, right, it would.

(46:04):
And it's just a shame that we we have to
kind of find this not knowledge on our own. And
I think they're getting to a point where they're they're
having to acknowledge a lot of this stuff. You know.
It's just a shame that we aren't being taught this
kind of stuff, I guess, is what I'm starting to say.
And the picture is becoming a little bit clearer every
time I talk to guys like you or Freddie Silver
or whoever, that yeah, this was a civilization that was

(46:26):
like global, or at least on one continent, a Pangaea
like continent maybe, and then it was all fractured somehow
by some great earthquake or great flood or great earthquake
that calls a great flood or whatever you want to
call it, and then it kind of dispersed everybody all
around the world. That's that's just at least my theory.
I mean, there's obviously there's biblical counts of like you said,
Joshua and Caleb, I don't that don't doubt that that.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
That would probably make true. Both.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I mean, it's probably both believe it's it's not this.
You know, some people say, oh, it's this, and other people, oh,
it's that. I'm a firm believer it's usually this, and
that it's a make maxture of the things.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, and it's and it's pretty uh, you know, it's
pretty obvious that there's a lot of cross comparisons to
these different places, you know, the giants and the alle
the Allegaywey uh giants and uh. And I'm wrapping it
up and they get to go, but uh, the Allegawey
and the Ohio Valley and they had like you know,
they were giants that had these fortified towns. Uh. And

(47:24):
it overlapped in different regions, and they and their populations
were dying off. And you know, the uh there was
wars happening between local tribes and stuff like that trying
to fight them out. So maybe even the Native Americans
were working with Joshua and Caleb to fight these things off,
you know, because it seems.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Like they were inadvertent way you know, even right, it
was just that these giants were devouring the land and
raping their women trying to you know, they had this
reproduction problem, so therefore they were trying to interbreed, and
that's how you kind of get the the keeling off
of the DNA strand they got shorter over time because
of this inner breeding and the polluting of the bloodline.

(48:02):
So you get all these legends that these North Americans
file just got fed up and they banded together to
push out and exterminate these these giants.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, and then they kind of went down. They started
going into the mountains and into the oceans and trying
to find ways to live there. And now they it
seems like with the Greyata Act of nineteen fifty two
or fifty four or whatever, with allegedly, you know, with Eisenhower,
they are allowed to take humans, abduct them, and try

(48:34):
to create this hybrid races. And I really think that
that's happening. And again, all that ties into all the
stuff that Eli mar Zuli is always talking about with
like excanguination and you know, mutilation of cows and stuff
like that. They're taking their reproductive.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Organs, artificial wombs.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
And artificial creating artificial wombs and all this stuff. So
it's all of it's connected, dude. And again, if you
know that as a Christian, then you have that you
wield that because you know this knowledge, and you can
easily tell these things to disperse and disappear by using
the name of Christ, you know, saying the name of
Jesus or Christ, and which is the embodiment of light, which,

(49:11):
like I said, they don't like light, they don't like fire,
they don't like food. It disperses them, right. So but
you know, knowing that is powerful. And again, man, we
just have to keep beating that drum about this and
letting people know that you can fight against these things.
You don't have to succumb to the forbidden knowledge that
they're trying to teach us with technologies and medicines and

(49:33):
all this stuff. I really believe that we are getting sick.
I don't think it's real sicknesses. I mean, I'm sick
right now, but I don't think it's like a sickness
like that really exists. I think it's something that is created.
It's almost like an eggregre like if you know they
said it enough times when twenty twenty, you're going to
lose your taste and you're gonna lose your smell and
all this stuff, and people believed it, and so they

(49:55):
get created like this eggregore that made them think that.
So I think we're in a battle of frequency. I
think we're in a battle of energy. You know. I
really believe that it's a negative energy versus a positive energy,
and if you lean towards the positive, that's the way
to you. You're going far away from these things. You're
you're leaning on the side of light and love, and

(50:17):
these things can't attach themselves to you because they're a
slow vibration and a slow energy. So I think that
the more people know that stuff, man, the better off
they'll be. But yeah, you know, I didn't mean to
keep you on for two hours, dude, but I guess
we should go ahead and wrap it up. Just let
everyone know where they can find you at one more time.

(50:37):
I know you're gonna be going to I'm going to
post this episode this week. I know you're gonna be
going to Conspiracy Con this weekend. Honestly, dude, I really
and truthfully thought about just driving up there because it's
like six hours seven hours away from where I live.
So I thought about going. I told my wife I
might go. I don't know yet, but you might see me,
might not. I don't know, just depends on how I feel.
But yeah, tell everyone where they can find you at
man and all the events you got coming up, and

(50:59):
where they can buy your book and all the above.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Okay, Man, I appreciate you having me. Like I said,
I always love having conversations with open minded people and researchers,
and you're definitely one of those, Brad. But yeah, Man,
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(51:23):
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(52:09):
in Middle Tennessee this last weekend and next weekend I'm
going to Cave City, Kentucky, UH to spirac Con. Go
to spir C s p I R A C y
ce N dot com if you want to get a ticket.
John Pounder is from nactv's putting that on.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
When you go to that website and look at as
a banger of a lineup, it's a star study of
light up of some of your favorite content creators and
podcasters there whole weekend, two days from sun up to sundown.
They're opening at like eight am and they're not shutting
the doors to like nine pm. So it's gonna be
just an awesome, jam packed weekend. If you are in

(52:49):
the area, definitely come check it out. Man, you will
not regret it whatsoever. And Brad, yes, you need to come.
It's only like four hours away from me. I'm driving down.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
And actually I got three buddies We've pitched in on
a Airbnb, So you need to come over to hang out,
even maybe some after hours.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Man. Uh.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
But I'm trying to thank Riley from Midwest Mythos. He's
coming down from like Illinois's uh Steven from Biblical hit Man.
He's flying up Thursday. I'm gonna pick him up in
Ashville and we're gonna drive up Are together. So uh
yead to come by and hang out.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I appreciate it, man. And I just wanted to say,
I heard you're you did a live on Instagram talking
about running into a friend of yours just on happenstance
turning down a road, a random road headed towards Middle Tennessee. Right,
Just tell that real quick before you go out of here, dude,
because I think that that's important for people to understand
that when when you're open to hearing where God needs

(53:49):
you to go, and you make the right turns, you
always end up where you need to be to see
somebody here to see something. I think it's a good
testimonial to share on the show because I always talk
about stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Yeah, I mean it was amazing. And I even said
on my Instagram page, this is what I consider a
divine appointment. Now. I had a best friend man that
we were like the Yen and the Yang. We were
always together, man, And his name was Brad, but from
like second grade all the way to like our mid twenties,
best of friends.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
We was always together, getting in and out of trouble together,
you know, and all.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
This kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
But he had moved off to West Tennessee, like in
my mid twenties, and we kind of just lost contact.
We were friends on Facebook, but he was one of
those guys that never got on Facebook, never got on
social media, never posted. But we were friends on social media,
but we hadn't talked. And I was heading to Middle
Tennessee for this conference. It was Saturday morning, the conference
was so I drove up late Friday night and I

(54:47):
was headed to this hotel to sleep it off and
then go there the next morning. And navigation, man, it
could have took me any route, you know, to this
destination as going to, but it took me to this
little small town called Sparta and took me down these
little back roads.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Sometimes navigation takes you just crazy places and you're like,
why did it take me this way? And so as
I was going down through there, like I said, it
was ten o'clock at night, and he said, turn left
here and I went to turn left and my headlights
shined on this corner and there was this guy and
this girl walking a dog standing there at the corner.
As soon as the headlights hit him, I was like

(55:25):
it clicked. I was like, man, it looks like my
buddy Brad. And I was like, shit, that can't be now.
I mean, what are the chances, man, what are the
chances now that ain't him. That's just like his doppelganger.
And I tried to I almost turned around, and I
talked myself out of it. I was like, no, it
probably ain't him to do what are the chances of that?
That's like one in ten billion. Probably he might not

(55:49):
even live in Middle Tennessee no more. He might have
moved out further or to another state. And so I
talked myself out of it. But then I just had
like this little voice in the back of my head.
I was like, well, try to miss you on fake
book and I was like, man, he never posts on Facebook.
I mean it's probably a dead account. And just something
kept nagging at me.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
So I did.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I messaged and said.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Hey, man, you don't happen to live in a little
town called Sparta, do you? And you wouldn't happen to
be walking your dog with a woman at ten o'clock
at night, huh. And honestly, it was like ten minutes later,
maybe I got a message back and said, uh, yeah, lol,
did you just come by? And I was like, yeah, dude,

(56:31):
I said, I just come by. I'm heading to a
conference out here in mcmahonville, I said in navigation took
me right down that street, and I said, I thought
I saw you, man, I said, I didn't know if
it was you or not, but it looked an awful
lot like you. And we talked on the phone man
for I don't know fifteen twenty minutes as I was
driving to the hotel, and he ended up coming to
the conference and hanging out. And so I even said

(56:52):
in the post, I'm like, man, it's a divine appointment.
Out of all the roads I could have took, you know,
I thank God point out to me that way and
out all the time, so he could have walked that dog.
I think God prompted him to go at ten o'clock
at night just so our paths would cross again. Man,
it was pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It is amazing, man, And not to dilute from that story.
But I went to all the way to Wyoming from
South Carolina where I'm at, drove, you know, thirty hours
one way, thirty hours back head over lakes and valleys
and rivers and mountains and all this other shit. And
then I get there to a rodeo and I run
into my neighbor from my neighborhood literally in Wyoming, Like,

(57:34):
what are the chances of that happening? What are the
chances of you running into your friend? I mean, it
just has to be something to that, And I think
it's important to say that, and I think it's important
to share that story, for you to share that story,
because I think that that's true. Man, when you just
let life happen to you and you think about it,
you know, you got a million other things you could do.

(57:56):
You didn't have to go. It's not really a huge
benefit to you to go to a friends and go
to an event and to go to all these places.
You're not going to get so much stuff out of
it that it's like totally worth it. It's just cool
to go to kind of places. And when you let
life just happen to you, and when you let just
let God guide you and let the Holy Spirit guide you, man.
It always he always takes you in the direction that

(58:16):
you need to go. You always need to stop where
you need to stop. You always need to see who
you need to see, and you always need to reconnect
with somebody that maybe God's trying to point at something
say hey, he needs you and you need him right
now or something. I think that's incredibly an incredible story, man,
And I love that kind of stuff. I love hearing
those kinds of things because not a lot of people

(58:37):
pay any attention to stuff. They just go, oh, what
a coincidence, And it's like, is it just a coincidence?
That seems pretty freaking divine dude, you know, like, how
does that not? How does that happen every day where
you're just going through a random town. And I think
it happens to a lot of people, they just don't
always talk about it. So I'm glad that you just
share that story. But listen, dude, hopefully I'll see you

(58:57):
up there this weekend. And you know, again, thank you
for coming on the show man. I appreciate it. As always,
this is kind of like an impromptu last minute hey,
come on the show. It wasn't really planned I just
sometimes I just go where the heart leads me. And
the heart was telling me the talk about elongated skulls
and giants and things like that. So I'm happy that
you could join me. Man, Thank you again for coming on.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
No, I appreciate it, brother, but.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I don't know, trying not to see it. I don't know,
trying not you want me in the right direction, God

(01:00:03):
send me your blessing. I'm so tie up stress and
its music's turn to obsession, upsession. I got a long
way to go to. He's my family, my clothes sopping
with bis, some sweat, and the ring going happen, say
habits and ors and I can change all my mistakes,
but y'all be half done. They'll fall out and means

(01:00:24):
the things that I all hallusin Natan from the auto hall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
But now I can stop my own fall.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I gotta stands town.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Overcoming scene bumping down at ther roll sand the church here,
so Lord, but I'm standing at the cross. I don't
know where to news and control, trying not to see
my soul. I'm standing at the gross. I don't know

(01:00:54):
where I news the control, trying not witting back, thinking
about the men Maris now I don't know who's a
friend of me. These people act like they again to me, Well,
that's still a miss to reap. A man's never wants
me to lose my my religion. But I won't stop

(01:01:18):
without a fight. I won't give and won't give. So
I'm gonna sit down right head pray, and that's the
lord above the help and change my way. Today. The
world's beening with greed and be and hey, you move
a to them f the bybrection to the break. You
can love me. Hey, I'm in a don't break. I'm
at the cross room, trying to find my way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Can your health be?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Can you help me?

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
I'm standing at the gross I don't know when our
news a control? Trying not to see my soul. I'm
standing at.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
The gross room.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
I don't know where our news a control?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Try not just sell so got me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Got me all.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Procctic side to take mine, show me the way, Show
me the way?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Got me?

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
Got me all pactic side, I jo to take mine,
show me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
The wig.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
I standing at.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
I don't know when to our names a control, trying
not to see my soul. I'm standing at the crossos, mom,
I don't know which you go. Ourn was a control.
I'm trying not just sell so, but I'm standing at
the gross from I don't know where to MYNS A control,

(01:02:50):
trying not to see my soul.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I'm standing at.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
The crossos, Mom, I don't know where you go. Ourn
was a control, and that youself so dest
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