Enoch's Exposition: Watchers, Nephilim, Portals, Lost Civilizations, Gobekli Tepe, Sunken Pyramids, & Hidden Coastlines w/ Cosmos University

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Speaker 2 (01:07):
All right, folks, welcome back to another episode of the
Awaken podcast. I'm your host Brad Leal, and joining me
on the show today is the founder of Cosmos University
and the author of the Book of Enoch in Antidiluvian account,
Mister Craig Dizzy.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Greg joins me to talk about humanity's forgotten past, the Watchers,
advanced technologies, and the lost wisdom that might have survived
the Great Flood. Greg, thank you for joining me, man,
how are you good? Thanks for having me Brad. Before
we get started on the show, would you mind telling
everyone just a little bit more about your background and
the purpose of Cosmos University? Sure? Yeah. My background, I've

(01:41):
got a weird one. I went to art school, so
I have a visual communications background, and I ended up
going into software. Like I came up arts hard. There's
never a right answer. So I did software, and I'm
considered like an architect, whatever that means. I've been doing
it for about twenty years, and a few years ago

(02:01):
I started Cosmos with Delaery for us who just like
sitting in the room with me, I'm just gonna wave
to her her MIC's off. Well if you needed the
flip flopon. But Cosmos University is a research collective that's
focused on uncovering the mysteries of the past. We we
research stuff and publish it into books like Behind Me.

(02:22):
I've got a few copies somewhere over there of our
recent book, and we're working. We're working on other books
like uh. They're essentially we're trying to find the oldest
books on the planet, study them, and republish them. And
on the way, we're trying to figure out a little
bit more about our history, like our history meaning humans
and the planet, and how it is that we've gotten

(02:44):
to a point where it's like we've we there's not
a consensus on the story at all, and we've we've conveniently,
as as I think, as a world forgotten about mythology,
a leader for unraveling sort of what's gone on that

(03:05):
got us here and and maybe maybe why it is
that we are here and what it is that we're
supposed to be doing here. So that's cosmos. It's it's
kind of a fumbly way to describe it, but there.
We publish books, we published research studies when we have time,
and we do create some content, but not much. This

(03:26):
is the most that we do for content as distant books.
We like to talk to people.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's a lot of information to get out there into
the uh, into the ether, dude, I mean we you know,
you can only put so much in a book, but
you have probably so much more in your head. So
these these kind of formats where we can just sit
here and talk is probably the best format to do
that on because I mean we you and I talked
the other day and we talked for a couple of
hours and we were just back and forth and sharing

(03:52):
ideas and information and it was exciting. But you know,
for the listeners, I was like, maybe I should stop
talking so much and let's rerecord this, because when you
have conversations about science and plasma and all this stuff,
it's really you can kind of lose people very quickly.
If you don't have a quick and concise way to
kind of put that information out there.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
And Brad that was like, I think that's a good
way to put it. Is that that there is like
a sense of like giddiness when we when two folks
like us get into the same room or something because
they're not everyone sees a larger picture on this stuff
where you have to reuse mentioned like plasma, where you
have to kind of start bringing in some of the
scientific stuff and connecting it to some mythologies or histories

(04:34):
and just understand that, like our place in the world
has changed through our own eyes and our own account.
Our place in the world has changed from us just
building stuff out of sticks to building skyscrapers and being
on the moon. So anything's possible in this world. And
I think it's good to talk to people or you
kind of I know you have that mindset we're open

(04:55):
minded and still seeking evidence. At the same time, you
can be both. You can be really open mind and
is still want proved. So I was really excited with
that last as we talked last time, for sure, because
I like your breadth and knowledge. So if you want
to like walk, I love these types of conversational formats.

(05:16):
If you want to just kind of like maybe from
your own curiosity, we can go through anything that you
want to chat about with Ena. I'll do my best.
At the end of the day, I'm not I'm not
an authority. This has been I think the hardest part
of doing this is that you know, I don't have
a master's to be your a PhD. In studying old books,
but I do. When I was in when I was
doing visual art, I specialized in the type of art.

(05:38):
You probably know it, but if your audience doesn't. It's
called information design. And that's where you are forced to
take like spreadsheets of information, thousands of statistics and tell
a story, like an advertising narrative based off of that
that more enormous amount of data. And sometimes the data
can tell the story itself. And sometimes you're story that

(06:00):
you need to promote, you're using your data to promote.
And I tended to go with the data telling the story.
And I see, I see all this stuff that we're collecting,
all talk about more or less as data. We can
discuss it. It's I might have some conclusions I figured out,
but maybe not. You know, the hardest thing I've I'm
working in this and anyone else else out there that's

(06:21):
a research will know. Is it's like, once you get
something that maybe nobody else has gotten, like nobody else
has figured out, you feel like you're out in the
you're out in the wilderness really and you're just trying
to find anyone else You're like, well, look at the
same thing you look at and say, yeah, I think
you're right, because there's a lot of things that still
haven't been written down and concluded on that from books
like the Book of Enokwards that's a twenty five hundred

(06:43):
year old book at the very very least. Well, also,
they they governments will quickly come in and grab guys
who are open minded and you know, freethinkers about certain
topics and things, and so they probably know about all
of this stuff that you know what we would call
hidden history or you know, hidden spiritual knowledge or you know, mythologies.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm sure they have books and access to smart people
who know all about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So do you think that do you think that the
history that we're being taught of the world is different
than they're what they're teaching us, I mean.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah? Absolutely, I would say that's a primary mission that
I have is to rewrite some textbooks and to get
someone you know, absolutely without a doubt. I think the
further back you go, the blurrier it gets. So when
it comes to history, it's just like, we have a
pretty decent picture. Maybe going back two thousand years then
that's questionable, like, but we have a decent picture, like
a pretty globally consensed picture of what happened from different cultures.

(07:44):
After that. There are so many things that are in
textbooks that are single sourced from people that were secondhand
accounts of a thing. When it when it comes to
all the mysterious things that we think about, when you
think of the Pyramids, when you think of the the Olmecs,
the older cultures, when you think of like the fragmentary
knowledge that Plato tries to stick forward with with his

(08:05):
account from Encritias and Timius to say that there was
an older civilization in an Atlantis or whatever, it gets
very blurry, very fast. The names don't match up anymore,
the dates don't match up anymore. And on top of
that we bring in our science to try to help
that out. So we have a historical picture that's all
muddy and messy prior to prior to zero AD basically,

(08:30):
and then we come in with like science, we want
to help out try to figure out why some of
these things are wrong, and unfortunately, like that doesn't prove
anything at the end of the day. When you do
radiometric dating, you know, it just something we looked at was,
you know, a radiometric date that had been calibrated against
an unknown date that was guessed by some archaeologists. So

(08:53):
they were like dating something out of a I think
like a seventeenth century or seventeenth dynasty Egyptian tomb, and
they're like, yeah, this was the one of the earliest
things ever radiocarbon dated, and we know that that tomb
is this old, and that's how we're going to dial
in the date on this particular type of reading, because
we know how old the tomb is based on just

(09:14):
somebody writing down. I think this is how old this
pharaoh was. I think this is how old they were.
I think this is how many years of rule there were.
There wasn't like a tally on the wall, you know,
for every year or anything like that, and so I think, yeah,
our story got changed, and then kind of it I
don't know. It got changed at some point, though, who

(09:35):
do you think is changed generally? I'm not really I
don't think I'm in the business of trying to guess
who's changing it. I'm just seeing the change. But there
was like this very obvious way that we used to
be able to look at the past, and that would
be through scripture. That would be like through mythology and scripture.
And as the world kind of grew and you had

(09:55):
not just one account coming from the antediluvian world or
the pre flood world or the post flood world, or
whatever you want to call the world that we're in today,
you had you had several. You had you know, you
had a Hebrew account, a Sumerian account, which seems narrowing
up against the Hebrew, and you had an Egyptian account
which seems narrowed up against the Hebrew. And then you've

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got the Hindu account, which seems over on the side,
something but similar. And then you have you know what
I mean, Like, as time goes on, we're looking at
this stuff and instead of studying it more and pushing
into it more and leaning into the stories that are
being told, instead we get dismissals like from the scientific
and academic community. You get told dismissal, the flood that

(10:39):
never happened, the this idea of a proto man never happened.
You know, these dates, but the Sumerian dates, oh, those
are wild dates. They don't they don't make any sense.
And that was the line right up until we found
you know, some some human remains that were very old,
and and you know, I think we're at the point

(11:00):
where we have to correct essentially the mindset that we're
not going to find particularly more data in the soil
or in the gases of the ice or you know,
and in something that feels like it's like it's quantifiable. Well,
that's not our next step. Our next step is to
go look at all the mythology and figure out what

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is the story, what's the best we can stick the
story back together, and then that might inform us as
to how we go and find more pieces of where
we came from and where we've been and what we've lost.
So if I had to pick a time period so
that might help, I would say it was like mid
to late eighteen hundred something shifted.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that's but that's you know, we talked about it
last time. It seems like eighteen fifty something something changed.
You know, somebody must have found something. Yeah, if something
big happen, maybe you know, there's a there's a lot
of people who think that we've had many cataclysms over
the last you know, six thousand years. In every five
hundred years, we have another cataclysm, and so timelines might

(12:05):
be off and all this stuff there's I read a
book called A Harmonic thirty three by a guy named
Bruce Cathy, and he taught he was a pilot in
New Zealand, pilot and he started seeing these UFOs all
over place, usos as well, and he started getting becoming
obsessed with it, and he was like, I want to
really want to track these things. It turns out that

(12:26):
they were flying on a grid that he uncovered for
fifty years. And he was a He was a mathematician
as well, and he kind of like obsessed over the math,
like where are these codanies coming from? And he was
when he was creating this grid. When he was crafting
this grid, basically he was like, something's off. You know,

(12:46):
this is happening here, and this is happening here, and
I know it's a grid, but something's off, and one
day he decided, let me plug in nautical miles and
see if that changes things.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
And then when he did that, it was like boom,
the whole grid just connected the numbers.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, and so he said that in this book he
talked about once he figured that out, so it was
like it was a it was a part of the
math equation that nobody knew, but he figured it out.
And then he started getting visits from the CIA and
all this other stuff, and they were kind of like, yeah,
we know, we just don't talk about this and all

(13:24):
this other stuff, right, And then there was also he
also talked about how our biological clocks are twenty set,
the twenty seven hours versus twenty four hours, and.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So the idea that you're from Mars instead of Earth
and since, yeah, a lot of different.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
What he's saying is that it was like they kept
taking pieces out, and so we would have people who
go to school, for example, and they're like, oh, yeah,
this is this is it, that makes sense so perfect,
you know, but there was always like one more little
thing that they didn't that was taking out.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
It was taken out of there that could have taken
them to that next level of understanding, you know what
I mean. Yeah, that's all it takes. Yeah, that's all
it takes. It's just taking out one little piece. And
like at the computer stuff all the time, I always think, like,
what would the world be like without an f statement?
You know, And that's just one of those pieces. It's
a constructed piece, you know. It's a it's a way
to communicate code. You don't need to use it. There's

(14:19):
other things you can use. But if he didn't have it, wow,
like like it's fundamental to the whole to getting stuff
online quickly and getting things to work without breaking your
head open.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, so, man, I'd like to shift the conversation to
Enoch if you don't mind, Would you mind just giving
everyone just a little bit of a background on who
Enoch was, because honestly, man, I don't really know much
about Enoch at all. I mean I've read, you know,
a few of the chapters from the books, you know,
like I've read The Watchers and the Portals and things
like that, But I sort of I get confused whenever

(14:53):
I'm reading it because all I can think about in
the back of my mind is like, who who is Enoch?
And I have a sort of a tough time place
in him him on a biblical timeline, and you know,
where does he fit into the story that kind of stuff,
So it makes it kind of hard to follow.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let me give you a crash course, yeah, please do, yeah,
because I don't know much at all. So Enoch is
a guy, obviously is a man. He's uh, he's his
father's name is Jared, And if you keep going up
that line, like five more times, you'll find that his
like great great great great great grandfathers Adam, So he's

(15:31):
really close. He's in a he's an uninterrupted line from
Adam to himself and meaning there's no like, there's no
break in between those two, from the exile from the
garden to Enoch. That there doesn't seem to be anything
reported about a cataclysm or and then anything though. It
seems like just kind of this linear line. He was

(15:52):
Enoch was born into a world where the Watchers, as
he calls them, have descended. He was born in this world.
They were already there, Jared, his father says, they came down,
so they weren't always there. And Enoch is probably like
you can call him a patriarch because his line continues

(16:13):
and it goes from him to Lamac to Methuselah Noah,
So I think I've got maybe got the order wrong,
but Noah. Eventually he's Noah's great grandfather. So he's he's
he's like right before kind of right before the major
flood event in terms of like number of people. He's
just a few out from the exile from the garden.

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And he lived in a world where the Watchers like
had come in and as he would put it, like
transgressed against the plan of God, essentially, like the they
did something that was that from his perspective, was completely
against the rules, and it took humans and stuck them
onto a different path. So Enoch's story, he's he's a

(16:59):
righteous guy. I think that's the main thing to take
away from it, is he in the Book of Nike.
There's no discussion of religion, no rituals, no rights, no rules,
really just just the general thing of I'm righteous. I
know what it feels like to be righteous, and righteousness
is what's important. And these these fallen, these watchers, these grigory,

(17:21):
he said eager, yeah, the Great you know, these these
these powerful beings have done this laundry list of things
which he talks about so he could observe it. And
because of those that laundry list of things, they have
been punished. And that's sort of how the book opens up,
like that there's something they're they're they're they're in misery

(17:43):
and he stumbles onto them. But you know, there's not
like a lot of clear things if he was petitioned
or whatever. But he gets he gets in contact with
the watchers and they're saying kind of, you know, we
don't know what we did wrong. I don't think can
you please go and speak with the al might for
us because we think he'd receive you, and just that's

(18:04):
never happened since Adam apparently right like this sort of
direct conference, and he not goes on this journey and
ends up going someplace that he thinks it's very real,
and meets God, sees the workings of the planet, sees
the some kind of like there's almost like a break
point where it seems real, and then it gets the

(18:25):
fantastic really fast, and he's talking to something that he
describes as like ice and fire at the same time,
and that's God, and God, you know, gives him, you know,
like a little rundown. I guess you could call it
of these transgressions, and he and God is I wouldn't
know if he's frustrated or not, but he's looking at

(18:47):
these like big long timelines and saying, yeah, this is
a problem and we're going to correct it. And I've
made my decision. All the stuff to correct it is
has has been decreed, and so you know, because recording
these decrees, some of them, like some of the some
of the stuff he's writing down. And while he's in
this journey, he sees, you know, tens of thousands of angels,

(19:09):
and he's seen some of the colosssual mechanics. He records,
He records where he is. He's not like a home base,
and he's like recording the length of the days and
the night so he can figure out I think the
country at transmiss latitude. He's not in the Levant, he's
not in the Middle East, so he's you know, he's

(19:31):
I don't know, he's on this this sort of like
this intense vision and the perspective he can give is
just I think it's so interesting. It's one of the
only times I think there's a perspective given of God
in which you could very easily show the Trinity because
as Enoch's like dealing with with with trying to understand

(19:52):
the situation he's trying, there's there's a lot of different
nouns being used. And one of the things we do
when we publish is we identify all the nouns and
try to separate my as we can, and if there's
ones that like seem like they don't resolve out, we
cut somethimes, leaving blank. But he is seeing over and
over again, this this Lord of Spirits. That's like, there's
one angel in the group. There's one divine being I

(20:15):
would say, in the group that's so much different than
the rest of them. It's not God, and it's not enough.
And he's being prepared. So there's this divine entity being prepared.
And after they call him the Lord of Spirits, they
call him the elect One, and God refers to this
is my elect one, and I'm like, that is a
dead ringer for Jesus. And it's in a book that's

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pre flood, that is pre Jesus. It's five hundred years
pre Jesus. So he sees all of it. I think
he sees the whole, the whole. Next ten twenty thousand
years or something, and he cuts he gets out of
that vision and he's like, I gotta tell people, and
he he knows how to write, and he writes it

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all down, and that's how you get first Enoch, and
that gets transmitted down to his grandkid Noah, and Noah
brings it with him, and we don't have all Noah's books,
and we don't have you know, we don't have his
grandchildren's books. But we don't get another set of the
books until we get to Moses. Essentially, it was way
down that line. So like Enoch to Moses is they
should have the same blood. Yet they should, but maybe not.

(21:22):
I don't know. His story is a little weird in
the Book of Enoch, but so Enot kind of he
exists for some period at time in this place and
we don't know how long. That is based on the
Book of Enoch, but based on the Book of Jubileeze,
which is as similar to the old book that came
out right around the same time. They said he was
in the Garden of Eden for two hundred and sixty

(21:44):
years or something. Then they said he was in the
Garden of Eden. That doesn't mean he was that's just
what they say, and so he doesn't identify it as that.
He doesn't say that's where I am. But he's there
for this long period of time, comes back, tells everybody says, hey, man,
there's a flood, come in. Like there's like they're like
he's getting that first glint of like God's solution here

(22:06):
is really brutal, because it's like it's it's like God's
going to punish all these fallen for like five thousand
years and then God's gonna flood the planet and get
rid of everything we've made, everything that mankind's put together
and and everything that's the result of this abominable Watcher stuff.

(22:27):
Because it's it's like according according to the First Dnock
is a little different in book that you believes. But
in First Dnock, the Watchers are mating with human women,
which are creating all sorts of problems genetically, and I
think in terms of like in terms of like wealth
trusts too, because you've got Watchers who've got crazy technology

(22:48):
having children and then wanting to keep those children over humans.
You know, it's a karmic tie in a sense. It
muddies their mission and out of those children they get giant,
you know. And out of Book of Jubileeze we find
out that they don't just get giants to get eld
Joe and Rafadem and these other named things that aren't

(23:09):
human and all started when it was human plus Watcher,
So they kind of, I think Enoch thought that world
needed to end, the one in which they had infiltrated
or taken over the planet is like a virus. It's
like a cancer, and it's not good for humans. Whatever
this is. And this vision he went on, or this

(23:29):
journey he went on, was like a confirmation of that.
So he continues to have a couple of more visions
in the Book of Enoch where he's seeing events that
haven't happened yet, and then he sort of fades out.
Like the story we get from Genesis is that God
took them. The Book of Jubilee said he did in

(23:50):
fact die, and they have a markup like until his death,
but in First Enough there's no record of death. It's
just you know, he's walking with God. Yeah, and then
the tradition goes that like he becomes an angel and
an archangel, so like in Dogma, that's the movie Dogma.
If you've ever seen it. But there's the that's like
Heleen Rickman's characters. He's playing Metatron, and that's what Enoch

(24:14):
was supposedly turned into his Metatron, And it kind of
it makes a little sense that you would have an
archangel in your cohort that once was a human, because
the human perspective is ultimately very important. Knowing what it
feels like to feel small, knowing what it feels like
to to feel challenged and curious and have faith and

(24:35):
be right righteous and all that kind of stuff. It's
important to have that from the perspective of someone who
lived at versus an angel that maybe you created in
place or whatever. You know, Son, I ask you one
quick question.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I want to throw you off track, but do you
think that there might have been some sort of a
warning that went out to the people and if there
was a way to sort of escape Earth in time
before the flood happened.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Definitely, I think so. I don't know if they. I
don't know about the escape Earth part. But in First
and Not you won't really find this. You won't really
find that part because it doesn't get into the day Lou,
it doesn't get into the destruction. But if you want
to if you if you're curious, there's a bit of
a fragment in the Book of Giants that says some
stuff that will relate kind of to the story. So

(25:23):
the Book of Giants is a book that was supposedly
transmitted through the giant lines that survived the flood. There's
not many of them, but that was their book and
they had a they had a part in this. They
felt the destruction too, and they have a small account
to which like there's battles and wars taking place before
the flood. So to my understanding, I think going up

(25:44):
into it, there's a group of people that know that
they just know it's going to happen. This is like
Noah's group. They just know. They're preparing, they're they're just
ready for the worst. They have a book, they have
their whole continuity plan figured out. Some people got heads up,
like last minute, but it's because of what they were
seeing in the world, and the Book of Giants paints

(26:04):
a little bit of a picture as to what they
were seeing. Is that basically the art the angels, the
archangels are fighting and there's a single battle in one
day that they say four hundred thousand died in one
battle and there's not a comparable event in all of
human history. And beyond that, we see that there's there's
genetic selection that takes place right around there too, So

(26:25):
right around where a flood would be or a cataclysm,
we see a drastic genetic selection to gender selection where
we look back and we go, there was a population,
there was a bottleneck. There's a population bottleneck. We lost
a lot of people, and the people that made it
through the ratio of men to women was all wrong,
like it was like eight to one women to men,

(26:47):
which would maybe tell you that men went to war.
It maybe tell you that, and you're seeing the result of,
you know, a global war that got cleaned up by
the melting ice sheets. And maybe the melting ice sheets
were the last bit of it. Who knows. But something, yeah,

(27:10):
something where people would have had enough time. I think
so Enoch is if you go by the Hebrew chronology,
Enoch is around for several hundred years before the flood,
so his family would have known about it. Obviously the
book transmitted. You know, I don't think I don't think
it's it's impossible to say that people could have had

(27:33):
more than enough time to get out. But they're in
a world now where God's not a question. God's a
reality and or at at least some aspect of something
is a reality. And they've got watchers who are superior
to them, other races that are superior to them. There
might not have been any leaving the planet. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, yeah, I mean I think of like again, you
and I talked about this last time, these stone circles
and these in these different uh places around the world,
like like the like stone Stonehenge and Avebury and places
like that. I mean I I think of them as
literal portals to another realm or dimension. And I think

(28:15):
that those those portals are just areas where there's heavy
electromagnetic energy. And I believe that they had technologies that
could you know, track movements of the sun, moon and
stars and different things like that, and at certain equinoxes,
they could probably just jump in for lack of better words,

(28:35):
and just you know, like it's like a time machine.
Like I said that, it was a show. My wife
was watching the show not too long ago.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's like Highlander or something like that. Highlander.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's it was it was about something this this uh
it took place in Ireland. A lady would go back
in time and she met a guy, and she kept
going back and forth.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Between the past and the future.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
And it was it was around that idea, that same
idea that these own circles were sort of like portals
to another another time or another reality. I don't know
how to describe that, I guess, but there's a there's
a book by a guy named Christopher Knight and a
guy named Robert Lomas called Uriel's Machine, and they talk
about just that how there was there might have been

(29:17):
some sort of technology that helped for all the astronomical
observations but also to maybe you know, maybe that's how
he not got off the planet, and you know, maybe
others got off the planet as well.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Maybe that is the arc. Maybe that's the Noah's arc,
is the arc of the Covenant, right, which is like
I don't know if anything supports from going off the planet,
just just I don't know, well what I say by
what I mean by planet is like not literally to
another Mars or something like that, because I see space
as like this, if there world around us, like he

(29:51):
went to a spiritual it's hard to describe it. Last
time we again. Last time we talked, I was talking
about the Lucifer telescope and how basic you have to
cryogenically freeze it in order to use it. Yeah. The
reason you have to cryogenically freeze it is because it's
a reverse prism. It's looking into the into the electromagnetic

(30:11):
spectrum that we can't see. So what it's actually seeing
is the world around us that we can't see, right,
And so when they're looking into space quote unquote, they're
looking into the space around us, not the space out
there where the James Webb Telescope is flying, you know,
alter out space taking these high definition photos and all
that stuff. I think it's literally like this, They're they're

(30:33):
peering into the world around us, just like those goggles.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
These people talk about what they had in Vietnam where
they could put them on and they could I think
diycenium glasses or something.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like what a weird rumor that is. Yeah, yeah, there's
been all sorts of weird stuff in the night vision.
But I think that's true. Man. I think you can
you can only see it. You can only see the
world that world around you if you slow down your
frequency enough to look into that world is kind of
what I'm saying, And so maybe I'm just hopeful maybe

(31:05):
there were people who were saved, because I don't feel
like everybody who was pre flood was bad. I mean,
it seems like just the Nephilum we're the ones who
were bad. They were killing and pillaging and you know,
teaching all these bad things and all this other stuff
and corrupt and with the humans it's a little Yeah,
that's the problem is they corrupted humans. And I think
that once, once the ideas were in there, that was

(31:26):
the problem. Like there's there's no way to know, right, like, well,
we have to find more accounts to see more of
the story. But think of it like I think of
it kind of like, now that you know these things,
you're no longer useful towards the plan that I have

(31:47):
because you know, you found some stuff out it's true,
and you weren't supposed to know it was true, because
maybe that was the maybe the mystery or the curiosity
was supposed to drag you down a particular path. Like
I think of it like, if you have a civilization
that had no religion, no belief, nothing, they just somehow
put together a civilization, You've got this city out the
middle of nowhere, and they've never seen any other people,

(32:09):
and they've they've at they only know about their own existence,
and they have no fear of these outside things. And
imagine if you were you know, you were the reason
that that civilization existed, that you, your your people were
the reason that that that that that came into being,
and you've had a compul total control over it that
you know, You've just you've gotten the right weather pattern

(32:30):
for the type of people you want, You've gotten the
right uh location for the type of people that you want,
and then you go in and plant some stuff. You say, well,
they're not really doing much, So what we're gonna do
is we're going to do a very controlled demonstration of something.
So you fly like an orb over their city and
just watch watch what that does, Like get enough of

(32:52):
them to see it, just see where that'll take them,
and maybe if by doing that it'll put them on
the road to spaceflight. It'll take two thousand years, you know,
I think, like when I see the way that God
plans things out, I think God plans things out in
two thousand, ten thou twenty fifty thousand year things because
I feel like the God time is pretty different, irrelevant,

(33:15):
dilated I don't it, probably not irrelevant, but dilated differently,
like not not not to say that this would be weird,
but if you could imagine never dying, Like what's one
hundred years? If you never die, what's a thousand, what's
ten thousand, what's one hundred thousand? And that's I think
kind of what I get the picture of here. God

(33:37):
saw something going on that was like this absolutely is
no good, and the humans are on board with it,
you know, because like there's there's a direct lines. He's
the Enox describing this long list of watchers, like all
the watchers he can name, and he goes to this

(33:57):
big list and we've got it in our book kind
of broken off a chapter where you can just like, okay,
this is everything that compiled out of the book Enoch
for these guys. And there's one that their name is
god Reel or Gad's Reel, but I would say it's
god Elle. It's like an old way to say it,
I guess. And he's ascribed with like teaching men the

(34:18):
blows of death. That's one thing which I kind of
think is like martial arts, like you showed people, hey,
your neck is kind of like if you do this thing,
that's the end of a human So think of that
knowledge now existing, right, and now people know that they
can kill people with their hands, just their bare hands. Well,
one of the other things that he thought or was

(34:39):
on the hook for was leading eve astray. And I
what's so hard about this is that if you try
to work this out with people, people will say that
met godrail was in the garden, and like was probably
Godrail instead of any other thing. Was the serpent essentially?
Or was influence and leading her astray? And I try

(35:01):
to tell people, like, right, I tried to think about it, like,
don't do that, Like, don't just assume that that's what
that means. It could mean like god Reel wasn't around
during that time. According to the Book of Enoch, they
descended from Mount Herman at this time like one hundred
years prior to this account. So he led current eve astray.
He led the eve that Enoch knew as great great

(35:22):
great Grandma Astray. So he convinced that these watchers were
going around convincing people of something. Is what that tells me.
They were convincing them that they needed the things that
they were offering. And you know what probably started as
a simple humanitarian effort by the watchers, right to just

(35:45):
like ease the suffering of some people. Well, unfortunately they
were beautiful, right, the watchers were, and they found the
humans beautiful and they couldn't help themselves, And that gets
mixed in and when you do, there's a two party
consent there in a sense, right, Like there's there's the

(36:05):
human the elder humans who are like totally fine with
this happening, and Enoch is an anomaly. It doesn't say
Jared was pissed off about these guys, doesn't say Adam
was pissed off, doesn't say any of the other opinions.
Although if you take the timeline when Enoch was alive,
the only person that had died at that point was
was Kane or sorry Abel, that's it. So he had

(36:31):
never even seen death. And then right after these guys
show up, Eve dies, Adam dies there go back up
the line like Seth dies, like it just starts. You
just start seeing them go. So he is understanding that
something was perfect here and now it's not. Something was
in balance here, now it's not. And it's not just

(36:52):
it's not. Unfortunately, it's not just the watchers. It's like
a good portion of the population will never see it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
The other way, do you think that Mount Herman has
some sort of electromagnetic significance, because I mean, you know,
Christ had his transfiguration there and that's where the watchers
sort of fell.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well, I don't know. Yeah, I think we're saying the
word Mount Hermon, did it have electromagnetic significance? Well, first,
I don't think the Enochian Mount Herman is the same.
I think basically you've got words that came forward over
the flood, but they weren't from there. I don't think
those guys were from there. They landed there essentially, So

(37:32):
what electromagnetic Maybe, I mean maybe it's more like a
pyramid name Herman too, though because I don't really there's
not there's not enough description there. It's just sort of
like and as we know, they decided on this place.
But that Mount Hermon could also mean, you know, like
New York City, there's there's there's so much time that

(37:52):
takes place between where the book is written a word
supposedly written should say, or where it's supposed to be written,
which would be you know, like twelve thousand years ago,
and when it actually shows up on paper, which is
you know, like two thousand, five hundred years ago. So
by then names, I think you've got to be careful

(38:15):
thinking that if there's any strictly named things there that
they're they're speaking to something that is named that today.
If that makes sense, Yeah, that's what I was just
going to ask about the same question with the where
did they fall from? I mean, where they you know,
from the heavens, from the heavens and it kind of
makes you think like, yeah, what does that mean from

(38:37):
the heavens. Well, the best I can put on it
bread is I got exposed to some paper a couple
of years ago. And there is like growing interest in
studying our atmosphere for signs of life and the there
is a whole growing theory that DNA is the way

(39:00):
to create life on a planet essentially where you have
where you have access to stable sunlight and day night
cycles and water. Liquid water like DNA is what you
want for that, But when you're up in atmosphere that's
not going to work as well. For like a multicellular
thing or anything. Cells aren't really the way to do it.
Up there. So a paper proposed that we could use

(39:23):
carbon carboniferous Oh geez, I forget the name of them,
but they're little, these little carbon clusters that are like
spirals and they form out in the atmosphere and apparently
they do kind of the same job as DNA. They
provide like a unique signature to a thing, the very complicated, small,
smallly designed things. And apparently energy, like in the form

(39:46):
of electricity colate. It coalescees around these things and creates
these plasma balls. And we have a name for this
this this place, it's called the plasma sphere. And between
the Moon and the Earth there's just ball of plasma
the size of like Rhode Island floating around out there
and US clouds. Yeah. Yeah, And when you get when

(40:08):
we started sending missions up there, there's like some of
these NASA missions like like they're they're prefixed sts, right,
these shut old missions. There's footage that anyone in your
audience can go look it up. Just look for like st.
S U, A. P and and just try to find
the NASA footage that don't go watch somebody's cutting it
up like good. NASA's got it up on their YouTube

(40:30):
like you can go find an archive dot org and
you'll see very clearly balls of light acting very intelligently,
like as if as if they're they're as if they're
they're thinking, and they're super That's what That's what I
try to tell people on my show. This plasma is
super There's these complex plasmas like quarter whisky clouds that

(40:51):
you're talking about, These giant rhode island size clouds out
in space between Earth and and the and the Sun
are basically hyper like super intelligent, and they and they
are nonlinear, and they're chaotic, and they they exist the
same way human life exists essentially in a sense. Yeah,

(41:12):
that's that's what I thought. That was exactly. That's what's
very interesting about them is that they're behaving, right, that
they actually have a bit of behavior, like they hunt,
they hide from things, like they they seem to like
they seem to ambush hunt sometimes. And you're like, well,
that might just be the wild ones on the edge
of this thing, right, like they're not the elder the
elder plasma ball or whatever. But we've observed we've observed

(41:35):
like in low Worth orbit, these things got to be
two three kilometers and you're like, whoa boy? And you
can go see some sts footage where you see them
entering the atmosphere. And I tend to think that if
there was a cosmic divine super highway, it would leave
a little bit of a bit of evidence for us
to see. And I think that that's it. We don't

(41:55):
have to I don't think we have to keep speculating
until we get to the bottom of trying to communicate
with something like that. And I think, what do you
think of them falling? Well? I think yeah, I think
I think if you're trying to observe a planet and
you and you're just this pure creation force, what is
the pure creation force in this universe? It's not gravity.

(42:16):
It's electricity and magnetism, right, that's the creation binding binding force.
Gravity is doing something else that gravity is making it.
So time occurs, so now you have you don't have
perfection anymore. Perfection is always getting pooled somewhere else. So
I think in the in this perfect this perfect being,
the set of beings that could make up the cosmic order,

(42:36):
the angels and God, I think it makes a lot
of sense that that you would be able to take
a picture that you actually would, and I think it would.
It would be like looking like one of these big
balls of plasma or small or whatever. But just that's
that's like an obvious that's how you if you need
to exist in this reality, that's one of the best

(42:57):
ways to exist. That's just a ball a coherent plasma.
Eating's easy, moving around is easy, like communicating's easy. You know,
it seems like there's a big if if if every
one of those balls of plasma is thinking there's more
of them than us, Well, it's not just more of them.

(43:18):
They are all around us. Yeah, the atmosphere, the top
three layers of the atmosphere right of Earth's atmosphere, it's
all the ionosphere.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's all essentially plasma. And our International Space station is
not in outer space out.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
There, they're not floating around beyond Earth. They're still floating
around in Earth's atmosphere. And a lot of people think
I have always thought that, you know, when we go
to space, that's where we're at. We're at an international
space station. Well, they make medicines up there, like you
talked about, they can only do certain things in that space,
and that space is this plasma existence. That's always plasma.

(43:59):
Whenever the sun comes out, it disperses this plasma into
the ions. That's why they call it the ionosphere, right.
It disperses it into a soup of.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Of ions essentially, and that's what produces that glow. It
gives off a it's a noble gas give off of light.
So certain types of gases will give off a certain light.
That's why when you look up to the sky you
see blue instead of you know, black, like the like
the like space is supposed to be right, So it's like.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
When the when the light when the sun.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's how I look at God is the Sun, right,
and sort of this overarching picture in this metaphor in
my mind, I guess I don't know how to describe that.
But God, God's light is the Sun and it shines
through the plasma, I mean, through the atmosphere, and it
disperses the plasma into ions, right back into that plasma state.
When the sun goes away, those things quickly form and

(44:54):
we see it all the time. At night, we see
all these things, you know, all all of the UFO's
UAPs whatever you want call them, or are flying they
coming to existence as the sun goes down, and they
pretty much are active all night. That's because God's light
is not dispersing them back to the ionosphere.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So I think you're right, man. I think that that's
kind of how I see it too, And that's actually
why I asked a question about, like where did they
fall from? You know, we think it's definitely an option
that they're just like we're dealing with some super intelligent electricity. Yes,
But on the other end of it, it could it
could just as easily be like a previous another's sort

(45:32):
of form of hominid that had to jump on us
intelligence wise. It could also be someone from somewhere else.
I don't think there's anything we can rule out, but
I tend to think that's the if i'm if I'm
looking for the answer where it's the divine cosmic and
not like just prosaically assigning some some something like oh,
it's just it was just a tribe of really smart apes.

(45:57):
They gotta they had to double the brains, and they
just told they'd messed us up so bad man, they
subjugated us, and they told us this whole story. Da
da da dah. But no, no, no, that that doesn't fill
the itch for me of like, yeah, why are we
here and who created us? And why does it seem
like there's so much magic in the world, Like so,

(46:19):
I yeah, I think that's my favorite one to entertain
because I think there's something you can do with that.
I really do. I think that, like, well, guess what, folks,
if there's plasma balls up there that might be intelligent
and you've got to satellite this, just give it a whirl,
figure out how to do it. Give it a whirl,
send them some energy, see what happens, like you know,
be be smart about it. If they're up there, you

(46:41):
should be able to dish them off. You should be
able to beam them energy. You should be able to
beam them something they understand. And that's why that's something
that everybody can do, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That's that's why some people think it's the the Akasak record.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Is what you're talking about. That energy. It seems to
makes sense because the idea of the going to going
to the Egyptian idea of the ok it gets you
into the realm where I tend to see its like
they're speaking to this idea that when you pass, so
we'll put it into like the me and you version

(47:16):
when we pass and we have children, so when we pass,
our child will have access to us through this sort
of tuned in you know, transmitter and us we will
have access to our brothers and sisters and our parents,
and they will have access to the uncles and aunts

(47:36):
and ta da da. So you can see these sort
of like large diagrams start to emerge of like the
Egyptians being like, you've got to go this way with
you or sorry, the Egyptians being like, your ancestors can
tap you into things, because like me and you, I
bet we have a comment. I bet somewhere like five

(47:57):
thousand generations back or something, you and I might have
an ancestor that knew each other. They could have been brothers,
they could have been whatever related. And the idea of
like tapping into that authority and that knowledge that like, yeah,
my dad would tell him something, and his dad would
tell him something, and da da da da all the
way back up gets you any idea of that's the

(48:18):
collected knowledge of humankind being laid out into the ecocic idea.
And yet perhaps the plasmas are some way to store it,
the physical representation of that thing. I like dimensional theory,
but I'm also like if it doesn't exist here. It
doesn't exist here, man Like, it's either layered in here
or it's not. And so I think I tend to

(48:38):
look for really physical proof of things, like like the
actual anchoring moment, the actual anchors that would have to exist,
because like, I think that there's a lot of rules
that dictate the divine and the cosmic, the divine cosmic
by their own by their own making. In a sense,

(48:58):
you do you think that.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
After the flood, how did the nephilum? Do you think
they survived? Are they disembodied?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Are they and if they and if they are disembodied,
wouldn't that mean that they're going into that ether And
if they go into that ether or in that plasma field,
then no, I don't I don't think they. I don't
think that's what we get. We don't get a disembodied
version from we get a bound version. So that would
be like imagine you, we don't know exactly, we don't

(49:32):
know exactly what that could form out to be. But
the way I like to imagine it is like these
guys had a way to get off planet or get
out of Earth, leave Earth. Earth was a place they
could visit and after the binding. It is a place
that they must stay. So Enoch says that God damned
them for sixty seventy five generations and seventy generations and

(49:58):
look at the she's gonna check. She'll chime in a second.
But he damns them for this long period of time
and says, your children are no longer immortal. You are
now going to face like all the destruction, all the
things that you've built. You're gonna watch them destroyed. That's
why I think they're still around, because they there's no
getting rid of them. There's no that's not how you

(50:18):
punish things like that. They're too smart, they're too advanced,
they've seemed too much, they're too well trained, just to
dismiss them. Separate generational bind seventy generational bind. So what
it is is basically seventy generations times enoch At is
first born, and that's sixty five years, which gets you
forty five hundred or so years from the flood. If
the flood is ten thousand BC, then that will put

(50:40):
you at fifty five hundred BC for their binding to
be over, and that is when the calendars of the
world kick on. That that's like your zero date in
the Hebrew calendars and that's like your zero date in
the Roman calendars. And it's like, okay, so what does
that mean. Does it mean that they were just walking
around after that? Yeah, I think so. I think they're

(51:03):
walking around the whole time. I just think they were disempowered,
not disembodied. They may not have taken on physical like empire,
and I don't think they were allowed to create physical
empire up until binding was over. But it's like, yeah,
you're gonna get punished for half a period essentially, and
then we're gonna see what's going on for fifty five
hundred years, and then after that my elect one is

(51:23):
going to show up, the consummate the guilt. That's all
in first Dnoch. This is a ten thousand year prophecy
post flood that knock drops, And like, yeah, I think
that they were around. I see them in Egypt. There's
a term that wait, we know, nephilim. Nephilim is not
in the first not in first dnock. That's not a
word that shows out there. I'm happy to use it though,

(51:44):
Like it's it's a Hebrew word. It resolves pretty much
the same nephilim, right, we know that the nephel or
the Nepheli are either the direct result of the watchers
or the watchers and another name for the group of stuff.
Right in Egypt, we have found a symbol that is
associated with a certain line. It shows up in Egypt

(52:11):
as name. It's basically title larry names that are signed
to either pharaohs, the ings or queens and the the
There's no way to know how they said it, but
the way we know how the symbol is pronounced now
is kniffer. There's no way to know but that that's
how we say it now, k neffer, and the R
is optional. And it's oftentimes paired with a flag, a

(52:32):
symbol for a flag and the symbol for the flag.
Nobody knows what that's supposed to be either, but we
all a lot of times we'll hear when there's three
of them, we call it knitter or like nature. But
nobody knows. This is a who knows? I tend to
think whenever I see that flag the NTR netter means
God's plural like of the gods, and a single flag

(52:55):
would just mean God. And so you see these things
next to each other, for and and flag and that
for is a cross on a hill. It's a literal
Jesus Christ cross, and what it means is beautiful. It
could also mean zero if you have three of them,
like zero meaning ground zero, like starting from scratch, but

(53:17):
one of them means beautiful, So you have the resolution
that means beautiful. God's beautiful God. And we know that enough.
We're described as beautiful gods essentially beautiful deities. So I
think they did absolutely make it through. I think they
I don't know where they ended up. But the story

(53:37):
we we get from there is that it's, you know,
they're bound up for a while, and they're unbound and
fortunately God's God under God's like trying something here. He
knows what's gonna he knows what's gonna work and and
get us to the point we're at today, you know,
and he says like, okay, after after the binding, is

(54:00):
is really still be this long period of time and
then my elect one will show up. And it's essentially
saying that when Christ showed up and was on the
cross and offering basically like blanket forgiveness, universal forgiveness, that
it applied to them too. There was a way to say, like, yeah,
that's not the punishment's over. So you can imagine maybe

(54:24):
at that point they all left and maybe maybe we
get a few of them that stick around that they
got too corrupted by their time here or something. But yeah,
it wasn't It was not meant to be a permanent punishment,
Like what would be the point of that, you know, permanently, Yeah,
like what's the point? So is it kind of like

(54:45):
a maybe a rehabilitation or an experiment to see if
it would if it would stick, If that makes sense.
But that begs the question though, like why flood the earth?
Then why have this wrath as the whole all of humanity,
all all of the the Nephilum and the fallen angels.

(55:06):
So we're also we're also talking about two different entities,
so that the fallen Angels are different than the nefl
I mean they're yeah, I would say, I would say,
I would say you could push them together exactly, you
could push them together, but they're not done. They're not
pushed together in first knock there because they're pushed together
more or less in Genesis, and and that's only by

(55:27):
the way you read it though, So yeah, you're right,
I think for anybody listening, I would put fallen angels
on the on the left, Nephilim underneath them, like they're
the result of something that happened there. Maybe because in
the book, could you believe we see them describe more
as like a race, like like it's it's a it's
maybe one of the one of the physical ways that

(55:48):
this this divine stuff manifested, like one of the body
types they took or something.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, I mean there's all kind of stories of after
floods where you know, some deity, some serpent type dity
comes in and teaches all these other you know, how
to rebuild civilizations and stuff. You get, you know, all
all these different you know, Mayans and all these different
cultures have around the world. It's not just I mean,

(56:16):
it's pretty clear that they got pyramids and stuff like
that over in meso America.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I just did an episode with Rivals about that, how meso.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
America looks a lot like ancient Egypt you used to look, right,
It's like there's a lot of similarities to all of
that stuff. So so what I'm asking, I guess, is
that you know where these the Nephilm, If the Nephilm survived,
did they look like serpents where they sort or where
the fallen angels sort of the seraphim like the fallen
the serpent angels.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I think anybody claiming to know that either works with
the government knows, knows or some of those things. I
don't know. I don't know. There's art and samaria that
shows up that shows serpent people. I would say, back
that up. Something that like looks not human, not as human, right,
like not as not as seeming like the features feel
feel like reptilian or something. But who knows. It's hard

(57:06):
like it's it could be. It could be very just
like directly representing what they saw or not. There's no
evidence in the and obviously the archaeological record, there's no
bones or anything. You know. That would be what we
would almost need to see to know, would be to
find like a tomb that has some weird person buried it.

(57:28):
I do think we see weird folks inhabiting Egypt. I
think that like Egypt. I tend to think of Egypt
as it the best, the best to track down. I
think that that was a that was not a monoculture,
nor was it a mono ethnicity. There there were so
many different folks living there from all around the world,
and you don't need to like, you don't need to
be a genius to see it. You just need to

(57:50):
stare at sculpture and go through the There's not a lot,
but there's maybe a thousand pieces that you could see,
and it would just totally change your perspective and you'd say,
this is not this. This is so many different types
of people living here. You're seeing every type of face
that you've ever seen on a human in Egypt, and

(58:10):
some faces that you haven't. You know, like there's this
guy named Akinnaton who's got If you look at him,
I'd be like, something's different with him, Like his bones
are different, his body is different, and that might be
the result of one of these you know, sort of
cross species things. I would I would lean more towards
that than inbreeding, because it's not just him, it's his daughters,

(58:33):
it's his wife, you know. And then there's evidence of
different types of hamdids, like in South America, the process
big old, big skulls, you know, smaller body frames. I
think that if they I think they were here and
they left their mark genetically, and I think it's just

(58:55):
moved it's it's just we're so many generations out, you know.
But I will tell you if you believe in Noah, right,
Noah doesn't seem to be a man from the depiction
that we get from you know, Noah seems to be
a hybrid, like no doubt he's he's speaking at like

(59:17):
a very young age, like like I don't know if
it exactly says, but I get the impression like Noah
is like a year old and talking, which would be
disturbing as hell, Like it would be like very very tough.
But you can tell. I mean, you've had a baby, right,
Like you can tell when they're that little, they know
they have stuff going on at that age. They just
can't their mouth's not there yet, their throat's not there yet,

(59:39):
Like my I was son. He's he's he's a little
less than two years and he can't he can fully
understand everything we say. He just is not able to
make the words yet, you know, And it's kind of
interesting to see that. So yeah, so Noah is little
and he's making words, and he's got weird colored eyes,
and he's got you know, pale white skin that's super pale,
like white is now and he has hair that's that's

(01:00:03):
that's white, and he looks he looks weird, and he
doesn't maybe fit the criteria of albinism because of some
of these other sort of like mental tricks he can do.
And his father he goes Noah's father goes to Noah's
mother and is like trying to have a conversation about
how weird his son looks, and his mother's like, I
know what you're thinking, but this is your baby. And

(01:00:26):
it's one of these moments where you go, well, that's
the kind of excuse you get, you know, like she
may maybe it's not because you got to think if
you had to, if you knew a flood was coming,
you have to get your best of the best out there,
your best chance of surviving it would be to have
this compromise where like humans still get to go forward,

(01:00:47):
but the patriarchs of some of these humans will be
like nepheline crossovers or watch Her crossovers, you know, because
it'supposed it's they had children. You can't put that back
in the bag. And maybe it's like, well maybe not
your pure childhot go for it. But these selected ones
and we get not just Noah's you know kind of
account there you get from modern scientific discoveries. There's oh man,

(01:01:11):
that's like, that's the weirdest part is that's in first
Enoch that like you get crazy eyes and super pale
whiteness off of Noah, and then you get janetisis saying,
you know something, right around ten thousand pc, uh blue
eyes and and and and super white people start showing
de Melanates would say, people start showing up in Anatolia,

(01:01:33):
pouring out of Anatolia. I was just gonna say, have
you seen the statues at Uh Mountain im Root, Yeah,
an Tellia, the Friggin's Yeah, yeah, well all that stuff,
I mean, even even the ones I used to live
into our k Acy station there and okay, yeah, I
got to see him up close. Only I didn't I
didn't even know about go Back and Tappy. Whenever I
was there, happened there. So you've been there. What do

(01:01:54):
you think happened there? Well, I think I think that's
just it. I think there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I think, in my opinion, there was an ancient civilization
that existed that was sort of overseen by the watchers,
and then the flood happened and flooded all these you know,
I mean because I've been to the Pyramids as well,
and I've seen the sphere of the Sphinx up close,
and the Sphinx has water erosion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
It's pretty obvious. I mean, it's pretty obvious it was
underwater for a long time. And matter of fact, if
you look at pictures into like late eighteen hundreds, you'll
see you know, you'll see that barely see the tops
of the of the Sphinx and the Pyramids because it
was buried under sand. Yeah right, and it's like nobody
cared for hours.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Well, I mean, you know Easter Easter Islands and Mountain
um Root. Like I said, go Beckley Teppe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It just seems like, you know, it was an ancient
civilization that people know about is buried that they don't
care to go explore because they would it would ruin
the narrative of what they're trying to push, whatever that
narrative is. And personally, I believe that there's people in
charge who are compromised by disembodied entities or the fallen

(01:02:58):
angels still, and they're getting information and technology and all
this stuff from these fallen angels still, And I don't
think that they want us to know about that past.
I don't think they want us to know that God
flooded the world because of all this ancient knowledge that
they were given to humans, because I don't think they
want it to happen again, So they're hiding it from everybody,

(01:03:20):
or it will happen again one way or another, because
God will know. But what I'm saying is like, I
think that they're trying to keep that from us because
it would it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Would immediately diminute diminush.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I can't even say that word diminish their power over us.
Right If we knew that they're powerless, God can just
wipe them out an atomy walls, then that means God
is real and then that then so it changes the
narrative for everything. And I think that some of these places,
like go Beck to Tepe, we talked about before we're buried,
we're intentionally buried. And I think that a lot of

(01:03:53):
these places in the Middle East, all the wars are
started in the Middle East too, not just in the
Middle East, also over in Europe as well. When wars
are started, I think they're intentionally started to go in
there and to literally just destroy the past, any any
inkling of the past, any kind of information that could.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Retreat it, like you and I think I think they're
retrieving it. I think I think you're onto something, and
I find that they were. Like I tend to think
there's more wars that have happened over essentially, like we
think there's something there and we're going to go look
in and we don't nobody's going to stop us, and
we're going to take whatever we find. Like there's a
whole story. And I know this is on the conspiracy

(01:04:35):
end of things, but I have heard this from an
operator that was in theater during Iraq Too. Yeah, Iraq
Too is that we call it? You know, they're in
theater Operation Iraqi Freedom. Yeah, they were there, and they
got pictures on the ground in Baghdad and they were
on this mission that went in early to secure the museum.

(01:04:55):
And this is like this is really weird. So the
Baghdad Museum is sitting there and the the US Army,
like during the Shock and Awe campaign where we had
Heralder Rivera out in the desert, you know, like getting
court martialed or whatever, like you know, like while we
were moving in, there's this sort of rumor that like
US Special Forces secured these museums to make sure they

(01:05:17):
weren't looted and you know, stolen from and all this. Yeah,
but they left with stuff like they went in there.
And this is what the guy says. We had a
list of things like we hadreated. There was some stuff
that was just literally in crates and we loaded it
and and and we put it into the secure like
the safest parts of the building. And then we had
transport show up as soon as we secured the airspace,

(01:05:38):
and transport got it out of there and never to
be seen again. What if And you know, he was saying,
this is like, you know, you're sitting there looking at
like a Lamasi, like you're you're you're right up next
to Sumerian stuff, like you're you're in the heart of
one of these like early emergent civilizations that although we
think we know a lot about it, most of it's
not translated and most of the cools stuff's gone like

(01:06:01):
like kidding. And then there's people that go around every
so often and decide to blow it up because it
doesn't agree with their God. So the fact that we
have any of these things is pretty fantastic and the
Lion's Sheriff really cool ship was in the back that
museum apparently, and it was not all on public display. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Yeah, all of that stuff is there there they go,
they go into it. And by the way, it's not
it doesn't just happen in the Middle East. Middle East
is just as of late.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Right. But yeah, they did this with the Mexican American War.
Good point, good point, right, and they Mexico, they're pushing
they're pushing this stuff out. I think that I think
I think if we're gonna like maybe like find an
answer here, it's it's definitely around. You wouldn't want anybody
knowing how that there's more than gold in these places.
That's I think that's the thing is like gold's valuable, sure,

(01:06:52):
but so so pulling out like you know, one of
these things and being like, look what we found, Yeah,
but what's in that? Gold is in that? So gold
is just a electric Oh no, no, I'm saying. I'm
saying that that I think we've got at least one
of these places that was a vault, and I think
more than one. I think, you know, when we look
at Egypt, I'm looking at vaultault vault, and and some

(01:07:13):
of these things were filled up with like stupid like
I've got you know, mummified ducks and like you know,
wood carvings, you know. But then there's other ones that
are that are filled up with just enormous amounts of
tangible wealth. So so there's some weird stuff that goes
on in these tombs, and then there's ones that are
completely empty and don't don't make any sense as to
why they be empty, sleep and long looted. And then

(01:07:36):
there's you know, there's places that we haven't even opened
up yet that we're trying to see with with as
technologies advancing to do like muan detection and and and
this synthetic aperture radar stuff. As we're trying to image
into things, we're seeing that like there's more cavities in
these in these stone structures than not and they make
perfect vaults. Like a pyramid, that great pyramid, because I
think that's one of the few structures on the planet

(01:07:57):
that you could hit with like that's thermonuclear device. Since
it's it's just gonna sit, the will still be there.
It'll be melted on one side, you know, and it'll
but I think it'll still mostly be there, and it
could survive an earthquake and all this sort of stuff.
So I think the narrative shifts away from the reality
of technology being around back then and tries to get
everybody to think about like, you know, like loincloths and

(01:08:19):
addle adults and and and and like shards of pottery,
and then go Becky Teppe shows up and says, bohello,
they had better tools than that, And that's just right
at the edge of something. I tend to think that
go Becky Teppy is built immediately post flood. I think
that's where no landed. I think that's where we where

(01:08:40):
no acclaims they landed. That's where the Hebrews claimed Noll
landed d Da da da, and and that expansion through
Anatolia is him and his immediate children going out capturing
the land and teaching people stuff, trying to keep as
much of the Old world preserved as they possibly could,
minus whatever they had in the Old world to keep

(01:09:00):
it preserved. But that the Old world being I don't know,
like this Stone Age place, I think they were well
beyond Stone Age. I think they may have been so
far beyond Stone Age that they went back to natural
construction methods that they went back to being like, yeah,
if you're gonna build a house, build it out of stone.

(01:09:21):
Like if you're gonna build major government structures, build them
out of stone. But now the stones are batteries and
they're holding energy. And now we've got metal here, and
the metal there is going to capture energy from X
y Z thing. And I think they're very in tune
with with with the world, and I think we will
be too. And that's why I kind of believe that
is that because we will be if you give us

(01:09:41):
another two thousand years here, we are gonna we are
gonna do things here that look less like Blade Runner
and more like something you can't even imagine, like some
sort of druidic future, because it's gonna make more sense
that as we understand how to do manufacturing at molecular levels,
and we a stand how to fold proteins, and we

(01:10:02):
understand how to use viruses to our own advantage and
all this kind of stuff, like we're going to be
growing houses, We're going to be you know, like we're
going to be not too worried about, you know, light bulbs,
because we'll have crazy ways of bioluminescence and stuff like this,
Like there's a whole world of stuff that's going to
get opened up to us. But what I'm trying to

(01:10:23):
say is that was opened up before. And I think
that what we're going to go through here is we
are going to see the same sort of stuff that
Enoch may have seen, like total the technology going in
the wrong direction for so many different things. And he
was explaining it like one of these angels, the one
that gave him writing, the one that gave humans writing.

(01:10:46):
His name is the name is Penume Panamuway, and Panamuway
is not just writing, but also this concept of bitter
and sweet things, like you've got to have the bitter
and the sweet, the good and the bad. And to
a righteous person, that's crazy. The righteous person there is
no Yeah, sure, we'll tolerate a little bad to have
the good, you know, you know, have a little corruption,

(01:11:06):
you know, to allow for the everything else to be okay.
Like Enoch was totally against that. And I think once
the once an idea like that takes rough, it's gonna
it's almost near impossible to get rid of it. We
live in that world. We live in the world where
everyone's like, well you got to have the good with
the bad. It's everything's a double edged sword. Ynoch doesn't
seem to have lived in that world completely. He seemed
to live somewhere where there wasn't always double edged swords,

(01:11:29):
and you know, and that got apparently got the place
so messed up you had to reset up just so
I I would hope, I would hope that as we
go to move forward through some of these questions, that
we don't pick greed again, or that we don't pick

(01:11:51):
I don't know what it was that they got them
in trouble, but that we yeah, we don't we don't
just like blindly go into the future and then we
start we're at the point where we have to like
slow down a little and start looking at like do
we have enough solutions to really kind of do some
things here or are we just going to keep pretending
that like we can't split the atom and that we

(01:12:14):
can't get electricity out of the sun, and like how
much of this are we still going to put together,
Like that we can't automate you know, a good deal
of our labor force in the next ten years, because like,
once that happens I understand it's going to be different
to be a human, but I also understand it's going

(01:12:34):
to be harder to be a king, like you know
what I mean, it's going to be harder to be
a billionaire than it ever was, because I think we
could be kind of like we could just be getting
this I don't know this this resolution to these really
old stories through the technology, If that makes sense, I
think I'm rambling a bit trying. I'm trying to tie

(01:12:55):
in like there's there's a technology, there's a technology or
a thing that potentially could upset that if you found
it that like if the human population looked out and said,
you know, it's crazy. Is in Egypt in nineteen twenty
said this didn't happen, But like in Egypt in nineteen
twenty seven, they cracked up in a tomb. And that's

(01:13:17):
why we have computers today, because in there was a
piece of technology that nobody understood and we looked at it.
And that's where we got printed circuit boards from, and
that's where we got you know, silicon wafers from, and
that's where we got transistors from. And da da da da.
People are just as happy to think that came from
UFOs right like that that there is Honestly, if you

(01:13:38):
look into it, the technology boom around, Like all the
UFO lore is crazy. Like you can line things up
pretty tightly. You can say like Roswell happened here, printed
circuit boards happened no more than like six months later. Wow, okay,
and that's what's set up all the big technology. Yes,
their transistors happened that quick. But if it came out
of like that's a UFO, what are you gonna do?
Shoot one down? If it was saying, like know, it

(01:14:00):
came out of a tomb in Egypt or like an
archaeological site, then every country in the world would start
digging up their ship and they might get an edge
on you. You know what. You know, I understand what
I'm saying, like that if that were the case, if
it were old ancient site equals potential for finding like
massive still put together technologies. Yeah, But I also look

(01:14:23):
at it as like they're keeping it from us, because
that that means more freedom for us. We're no longer
enslaved with with their rule and their thumb and they
slow walk technology to us and all this other stuff.
We instantly like if you and I wanted to. There's
a there's a place called Kairahan Teppe in Turkey, yeah,

(01:14:44):
which is right right down the road from quebecuy Tep
And you and I couldn't just go out there with
a shovel and start digging. Matter of fact, there was
a guy I can't remember his name who did a
he made a documentary there. There was a big archaeological
find right off the coast of Egypt, and it's buried
deep underneath the water, and they have to keep going
scuba diving, and they've found so many amazing like uh,

(01:15:08):
boats and gold and all this other, all this other stuff,
but they.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Got I mean basically, the Egyptian government fought them, and
every government around the world fought them, and it's been
like an ongoing forty year battle for this this guy,
and he's been funding everything by himself. But if there's
something that significant, why wouldn't they just uh, everybody get
you know, they've found these giant pyramids off the coast
of Japan, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
The coast of Louisiana. Yeah, dude, I mean it's craz
like like like yeah, well, there's not a lot of
money allocated to it. I would say, if I want
to fix that. That's one of the reasons I got it.
I got into this just because I think we can
start to have real conversations about like what would the
what a potential benefit could be from from exooming a site,

(01:15:54):
like from getting to the bottom of some of these things,
as it could be that this is the time when
humanity is supposed to do that, and supposed to pull
out a working jed pillar work at work, working wise scepter,
or an aunc that fires up, or any number of
iman like any number of things that we've heard about
in legend but seemed to be elusive when it comes

(01:16:14):
to proof. Like, I think it's interesting that you do
get like you get the governments that butt up against expeditions,
and you get laws to show up that are basically
saying the only people that are allowed to do this
have to be a part of an academic society, and
you've you've disincentivized a lot of people from digging up
their backyards, you know what I mean. Like, but yeah,

(01:16:37):
I do think that there's there's plenty underground still. I
think there's plenty under the dirt still. And and not
only is there just gold and silver to find, and
there's our stories there, our history is there, are are
you know, are are I think our understanding or at
least my understanding. I was kind of dummy when I

(01:16:57):
got into this stuff that I thought there was so
much to read, and I thought there was so much
to look at, and there were just endless amounts of things,
and it's like, when it comes to read, there's not
that much, right, And when it comes to like like
physical artifacts that are notable, like bigger than a coffee mug,
there's not that much. And that's not for that's that's

(01:17:21):
as much as we've got so far, I guess, is
the way to look at it. There are just and
it's also well to think that for all the pyramids
we've undug, there's more, way more. There's more. Yeah, there's more.
Nobody's they haven't seen a light of day for a
thousand years or something like. And there's some that are
being deliberately you know, kept under, and then there's some
that are really hard to get at, like like the

(01:17:43):
one off Louisiana. We ran into that. It's just like
it's an interesting case. It's on the twenty nine to
nine line, which is the same as the Great Pyramid
and who who's a pyramid? Which is the same as
like that, that's has to be a light thing twenty
nine degrees north, but it resolves out to be close
to the speed of light when you when you when
you look AT's like two nine point nine seven nine

(01:18:04):
two north or something like this, same as the meters
per second and the speed of light. But anyways, there's
this one in Louisiana and there's there's there's you know,
there's there's sonar of it. You can see it. I
looked at it and I was like, I don't know,
it looks that would get me to like how much
does it cost a scuba dive? Because that's saying yeah,
like it was it was what is hold this? And like, uh,

(01:18:26):
you know, surprisingly it's really expensive, right, Like I'd seen
some stuff that you could bring in to make that easier,
Like there's a ship you could bring in where it
can create atmosphere at depth like you can it's like
a tube. Yeah you've seen this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Yeah, yeah, like dry river bed they like when they
go down to the river beds and they put it
like a like a little dome and they kind of
suck out the water and they can just go and
look at the riverbed and dig around like they're just
perfectly fine down there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
You know. Awesome, it's awesome. But you and I are
looking at it and you're like, well, if that thing
was built like pre flood, then that's probably oh man,
the water would have been out, would have been out
of considerably more. You know, there's three hundred feet that
came up in the flood globally in the ocean. So
it's like, well, that was never intended to be underwater

(01:19:13):
whatever it is, and getting to it is just prohibitives
at this point. Like you you want to go dive
two hundred feet down and start scraping something for the
next lake, It's hard. That'd be hard to do if
it was above ground and go scrape it off. You
see what's there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Well, so, dude, right here in South Carolina, we have
three lakes, and every one of those lakes are you know,
one of the biggest ones is two hundred feet deep.
At the bottom of that lake is a town, and
it doesn't make any sense to me. The rest of
the town is flat, like you, you know, we're walking
around and then two hundred feet deep there is bridges

(01:19:48):
and all this other stuff that's and people have scuba
dive down just to be able to explore these places
in Columbia.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
But you have to have a special scuba certification to
go them. Yeah more than eighty far down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, well but but again they put that's another for example,
red tape or you know, restriction they put on you
that makes you jump through all this different on these
different hoops just to get certifications just to go deeper
than eighty feet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
And I actually think that I thought it was like
two thousand feet that the flood covered the earth. Oh okay,
you might get well maybe the maybe getting that number
from the ice sheet basically maybe so the the kind
of the paleo model, the paleo climate model would would show, uh,

(01:20:39):
the on average the sea levels went up three hundred feet,
but the ice sheets that were like let's say in
New York, were like two thousand feet thick. There's a
lot of ice. I'm from up there, and you can
see it, like you can see what happened there. There's
like these giant carved out lake systems like and there.
I think the lake where I care up was like

(01:21:02):
nine hundred and fifty feet deep, and it's like thirty
miles long, and it's widest it's like two miles wide.
So it's it's like a north to south pattern. It's
called they're called the finger Lakes, and they're just like
that's because all the water had to go somewhere and
just carved right through the rocks. You can still see
it today, just just almost like the Grand Canyon. But no,

(01:21:24):
it didn't happen a millions a year. That happened real fast,
like real real fast. And all the hills there are
all these like big rolling hills and stuff like that
where the water was churning and dumping well the mud.
But yeah, not at two thousand feet would be all.
It'd be a lot. But there is like significant coastal

(01:21:45):
loss right so here in Florida, I'm like maybe fifteen
miles away from the shoreline. And if I go look
at the maps and I and I pull out, like, okay,
what if we were going to go out to the
shoreline of two hundred feet deep, like the water's tunred
feet deep, I can go out like fifty miles sixty

(01:22:07):
miles and you can see anybody can pull up Google
Earth and like hover their mouse over the edge of
the over the coastlines. And if you see that number
and it says less than two hundred that that was,
that was like very it's very clear that was above
water fifteen thousand years ago. Like then, nobody's gonna argue
with you on that one. And so you see right
around the world, the old that long, that older coastline

(01:22:29):
goes all the way around. There's there's a that it
goes to like two three hundred feet below sea level,
and then two thousand really quick, like it's a that's
the cliff. It's out in the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Now there's a I go out to the flag of
a beach sometimes when I get when I go down,
have you ever been there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I think it's the Cochina Cochinas, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
There's these like rock formations on the beach and they
say it's like natural sediment and all this stuff, But
when you look at it, it's like, nah, that was some.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Kind of a structure for sure. Look, yeah, yeah, you
see them, you know I'm talking about Yeah, yeah, it's
all the shells like yep, I know you're talking about.
The shells are sticking on that white stuff. Yeah, cocina.
Well it's not, dude, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I got pictures of it, and there's like perfect circles,
you know, boreholes and stuff drilled all around it, and
it looks like layers of a house or a temple
of some sort. It was it was stone, but the
stone had been eroded so much, that's what it looks like.
And they're still there and you can't you can't budget them,
you can't move them. It's not like it's not like
some form of sediment, you know, that just kind of

(01:23:30):
crusted over time. But we also have been out to
I have a I have family members in Saint Augustine
as well, and I have my in laws that have
a guy on he's like an uncle on my on
my wife's side. He and the son go out and
explore the woods in Saint Augustine all the time, and
they actually go they found this, Like I think he

(01:23:53):
was telling me, he found like a Civil War type
cannon sticking up out of the sand. He went back
to look for it, and he couldn't find it. But
there was where he would go and he would find
like railroads that were leading into the water and it
and and it just dropped off into the water as
if it was some sort of a rail system that
existed a long time ago. And then you get yeah,

(01:24:14):
and then you got the mini roads out there in
that region as well, and so like all of it
is very Yeah, all of that stuff is very strange.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yeah, Well there's always been, like there's been, we're finding
more it just like it doesn't take much to cover up.
I think that's the big lesson. That doesn't take a
whole lot to cover something up and to make it
so you have no clue why it's there whatever. But
they just put the schools in charge and they give
them a bunch of money and say, don't explore it,
don't study it. You're in charge of it. Don't study.

(01:24:43):
We're going to continue giving you grant money and stuff
like that. But we have the public. If the public
cares about this enough, they can get there are independent
researchers that you can support and try. And it doesn't
always have to be with money. It can be with
just time or whatever. But there are so many any
things that I think like Florida is such a mystery
to me because I think it was part of a

(01:25:06):
of a of a hemispheric trade route. I think that's
become clear because there's certain plants that they tracked from
like Georgia all the way to like Mayan Sights, using
using dyes and stuff like. So it's like, oh, they
had trade up here, Like holy crap. So the world
that we got exposed to from our our knowledge of
the Native Americans in North America is completely bullshit and wrong. Yes,

(01:25:30):
it doesn't fully take into account the spread of smallpox.
It doesn't fully take into account basically a collapse that
occurred before the settlers, like the colonists got got here,
and we are looking at we were looking at a
world that already was decaying, like that they had lost
large amounts of population. And like Kahokias up in Illinois

(01:25:50):
and that that's like a big site that no nobody
ever saw it inhabited, like like it's it's old and
big and buried and for all. What is it called again,
what is it called? Kahokia? Cohokia? Never heard of it? Kahokia.
It's a it's a big old city. Man, Like the
estimates on that as that was a population center, the

(01:26:10):
combined population center I think near millions, like like like
they quite a big area up there, and and last
time I was up there, I it's something that's like striking.
Like if you drive around like Indiana, Illinois, like that
area up near Chicago, you'll see like these big mounds
all over the place, like in people's backyards. They're all constructed.

(01:26:34):
They're every single one of them was put together by somebody.
It's just been like grassed over and nobody's ever dug it,
and there's tons of laws against digging it obviously, but
like like it's there's they're all over the place. They're
huge civilization, huge civilization, and we don't even I don't
even know if we know their names. I just saw
one that was found in Oakland, California, without found that's

(01:26:56):
been there, like people know about it who are local,
so they if they finally found. Yeah, And I think
that there's so much of that there there's there's no telling,
especially when you can kind of like compute in that
that massive amount of water moving, Like the the strength
of water is crazy, like what it can do to things.
Water and sand can just completely like erase things. You. Yeah, well,

(01:27:23):
the sand itself might be former buildings and right right
right right, and really most of the stuff that you
could consider high technology, if you give it enough time,
can can just evaporate, essentially, Like it metal that we
find is not going to be around forever. You've seen iron,
I'm sure, just start making its way towards crust and
like making its way back to powder. And when you

(01:27:45):
accelerate that over thousands of years, like it happens pretty fast,
things just disappear pretty fast. Like skyscrapers disappear pretty fast. People.
Anything that's useful might get melted down and turn into
earrings one day, you know what I mean. But uh,
but yeah, I think the whole world around us is
it's essentially like you're not nobody's telling you should go

(01:28:08):
look for anything, like everybody. I feel like that's where
our big disconnect is in education is that they're presenting
it as like this is the story and this is
like this is a this is don't worry about it.
Other people have figured it out, like that's kind of
the story. That's how you get to see it. And
I think that's the wrong way to teach it because
I think history is so fluidic that, like you know,

(01:28:31):
you can have an impression that something's bs for a
long time as we know with like Troy, the City
of Troy, with everybody thought that was just like a nonsense,
so it was just out of a story and it
wasn't real and there wasn't an empire and nothing until
you know, somebody had like dug up Troy and found
it and it's like and that was that's like in

(01:28:53):
our lifetimes when we were kids, people would say Troy
was bs and then sometime around when we were like
ten to twenty years or something, like, they find this
thing and we need to change, Like it's because of
the way we teach it that it's all flawed because
we're teaching it like everything. We know everything, and the
stories are are so crystal clear, and and the amount
of assumptions that historians and archaeologists make to tell stories

(01:29:15):
is insane, like where they just go, we know everything
about this culture. You know nothing about it. Yeah, you
got like one person, you have one letter that you
tried to figure out here and paint the whole culture
with it. But I think that that when you change
it and you say, well not there's nobody has like
an ownership over history, but you should be informed on

(01:29:35):
all the things that we do know then you can
have more like conversations about the past. You can you
can line up more like what ifs and and all that,
if that makes sense, because like if you said, I
think it's a I think at this point we should
expect that Florida should likely have some manor architecture here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yeah, dude, of course it does that. Dude, I'm listen,
man in South Carolina. I'm telling you, this whole state
is just filled with stuff. And fortunately I'm in position
that I'm gonna be exploring a lot of these places.
There's a place called forty acre Rock right here in
my backyard essentially, and nobody even knows, like there's no

(01:30:16):
mountains here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
This is coastal land, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
And it is literally forty acres of flat rock and
it's a state park, so it's protected of course. But
you'll never hear anything about that, and there's never going
to be any kind of explorations or anything on that
because if they dug deep, I think what they would.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Find is a whole Mayan type of city underneath. Just
like just like go Beckley, Teppy, just like Carahan, Teppe
and all those that we were talking about. I think
that right here in my yard that I'm at right now.
I think if I dug deep enough, I would probably
find a bunch of stuff. Probably, I think if I
aout that man, yeah, I mean I'll talk about that.

(01:30:54):
You digg enough, you'll find stuff. Yeah, man, of course.
I mean they find all these roads and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
You know, they're digging up places in Italy and you know,
building a shopping mall, and then they or a tram system,
you know what I mean, and they find this, this
whole other city underneath, and they're like, what is this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
But this is make any sense? Yeah? Yeah? And it's
like the answer is always like, oh it's Roman, ancient Roman.
It's like everything is Roman. Everything from here all the
way to Europe is Roman. I mean, there can't be
some other civilization that we don't know about. I mean,
I think, you know, we call them Atlanteans and all

(01:31:35):
this other stuff. But man, who knows how long Earth
has been around and how many how many cataclysms of
coming gone, and how many and how many layers deep
we are beneath? I mean, how many layers above we
are of different civilizations. I bet you could go down
and down and down and find way more than just
the civilization that we're talking about that built the pyramids.

(01:31:57):
There might be even greater civilization is buried beneath.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
So, you know, the Ryan and I were talking about
on the show that the different Sons, the different the
five Sons and the cataclysms that happened every four thousand,
five thousand years in Mesoamerican lore, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Yeah, we referenced, we referenced that one. It's a that's
a really interesting story because I integrate the giants and
into the into the suns and yeah, like that's like
that's the five six or whatever. Yeah, and there was
five or six of those, you know, don't I don't
think you could dispute it. I don't. I don't think
anybody has a right to dispute it, because there's like
there's there's a couple of things that I always think about,

(01:32:34):
is like, Okay, if we had modern humans like me
and you three hundred thousand years ago, if that, if
that's what the science guys want to say, cool, let's
run with that. Let's run with the numbers. So you're
telling me you found a skeleton, meaning there is a
bigger population than two, so probably a population in like
the thousands to leave one skeleton in a cave. All right,
So a population of thousands and you give them two

(01:32:54):
hundred and ninety nine two or three hundred thousand years
to make babies? How way to get the human right? Like?
How like like a trillion billy like? Like no, because
you've got to find points in which the population was
facing a geological problem. And so we know we know
of one called Toba, the Toba catastrophe that's like seventy

(01:33:15):
five thousand years ago, and as far as I know,
we don't know of anything between Toba and the Younger
Driest flood. So if you were thinking, like in terms
of adding data here, the Toba data suggests that twenty
thousand humans made it through that event, okay, and then
twenty thousand humans for like thirty thousand years would have

(01:33:40):
been untouched by anything that would leave a significant mark
on the record. Doesn't mean that the sun couldn't flare,
it doesn't. It just means the planet didn't catch on
fire everywhere and it didn't flood everywhere for that period
of time. So that's that's enough time where you go,
like I think, I think if if that would bring
the population way up, way up, if nothing were to

(01:34:01):
push down on it. And and that's that's one period
that's just before us, and we don't know really anything
before seventy five to seventy five thousand years ago. Beyond that,
if there were more cataclysms. But if you can imagine
if every so often one of these cataclysts, maybe every
thirty thousand years or something, there's just this unavoidable cosmic

(01:34:22):
stuff that you just it's gonna it's gonna tumble the
planet or something. Yeah, I think I think it could.
It could essentially like explain it all away that like
we we we are survivors. We make it through these
bad events, but we're always kind of like trying to
put it back together quick enough, and we never get
it together quick enough. Or maybe just in the most

(01:34:45):
recent one, we got completely taken off, like we had
some other intervening force here that really took it, took
us and reset us really hard, like really really really hard.
But then again, if if you think about this period
of time like most flood here, this sort of like
ten thousand BC to the earliest formations of what we

(01:35:06):
would call civilizations, I think that there's enough time there
for every bit of cool technology to get destroyed or
road or any number of different things to explain why
it wasn't around or potentially you just take the God's
word for it essentially in first enough, and just know

(01:35:27):
that post flood there was an additional cleanup effort occurring,
going around and making sure there was no trace, like
just making sure and why they would leave something like
the Pyramids if that was pre flood, I have no idea,
maybe as a single monument, or maybe there were certain
certain places that they just covered with mud and said

(01:35:49):
that they have a right to find it, but they
don't have a right to worship it, right like they
don't have a right to know about it until they've
gotten to the point where they can dig it up again.
And you can kind of see that, like if you
were to go through this world, and if you're if
you had five thousand years, I think it'd be pretty
easy to disassemble it, you know, it'd be pretty easy

(01:36:12):
to go around and make sure there was nothing poking
up that wasn't supposed to be there, and time would
do most of it. But if you had to go
around and get rid of some industrial areas or ports,
or harbors or whatever. I think you could crush them.
As I was asking about in Turkey, that mount, the
mount that you went to, see, the ones with all
the friggin heads, the yeah with it you were there. Yeah,

(01:36:34):
I've never been. I've never been. What I really want
to know is, does it look like that whole place
went through like a rock grinder. It's just a heap
of like stone right, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
It's just no, but it's like it's like Easter Island,
right with the big stoneheads at Easter Island. They they
just assumed that they were just barely into the earth
until they dug one up. Nobody was taking the initiative
to Doug.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
I'm looking at the strata around there, and it doesn't
look like gravel. It looks like big chunky crust rock
stone that would be hard to walk on. Like it
looks like somebody went and like just pounded all the
stone or like just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Even the beaches, even the beaches in Turkey are like that.
It's like walking on rocks when you're at the beach. Yeah,
so it's it's it's just a terrain.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
I don't know if it was you know, if there
was like, let's just say there was some sort of
a fireball that came from the sky. It that's kind
of what it looks like. It it looks like it's
just like hit the earth and shattered all the stone
in the area. There's other ways to do it. You
could do it like there. You could you can shatter
stone like that mechanically or acoustically, you know what I mean.

(01:37:41):
And like, like the mechanical stuff is just interesting. I've
seen people take a boulder stick them in one of
these grinders and and end up with like, you know,
like quarter sized. Yeah, and you just think the measure
they're just throwing all the statues in there. Imagine if
they were just and then they just made big pie
and anatolia. And I'm just like, Okay, that's our That'll

(01:38:03):
that'll teach them like that, you know. Said, I feel
like things have to go somewhere, and I think every
every bit of evidence is important, Like every every one
of these sites is important, and every story that we
have out there is important and understanding what could have happened,
because I think we get so many there's so many
fragments that exist versus and I mean just the stones,
I mean like there's fragments of a story. There's fragments

(01:38:25):
of stuff that we can see because the total narrative
we don't have. It's not intact. I hate to tell
the Hebrews. You don't have an intech story. No, like
you and I. You and I are doing it right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
We got our tri field meters and we're out there
and we're gonna we're exploring the woods and we're exploring rocks,
and we're digging a little bit deeper and we're questioning things.
And you know, I'm going to be doing a lot
of that. That's that's the direction I want to take
this show is is to uncover a lot of this
hidden history. This you know, go through the woods, go
through the National Force, and show some of these areas

(01:38:57):
that have been hidden purposely by the National Arcs and
National National Force because there's so much very deep.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
In there that you don't know about at all. And
they're never gonna tall. And that's the and that's true
for Turkey, that's true for all these places. Man. You
can there's a guy who goes who does it, does
this on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
He goes to Google Earth and just looks around these
desert areas for these well looks like former civilizations and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, trick out there. Yeah you've got
a we've got a Google Earth's map file. That's like yeah, yeah,
it's it's none of I don't visually, we don't share anything,
but it's it's like, yeah, I'm a bit autistic. I
like doing that out, putting the little dots and things
and cataloging. But there's an enormous amount of stuff, like

(01:39:43):
if you train your eye for it, and it does
take a tiny bit of training, but you like to
identify that that's not natural versus like that's new construction
versus that's old stuff, and that you're seeing that the
highlights over the ground. You get good, good results with
Google Earth because you can you and dial in the
different images that are stacked up for the area over

(01:40:05):
like the past fifty years, so you can see, like
you can drag left, drag right and get an idea
if something's like being covered up, or if it's if
it's just not changing it all, or how it looks
on a different shadows and all this stuff, and there's
everywhere you look like I was doing a research project
where I was trying to find he's like Karens, these

(01:40:26):
Stone Karens, and I was I was starting where Michael
Tellinger had started his research in South Africa, and it's
just insanity. Like you back that you're in this area
where he's like, this is where there's a bunch of
these things and there's some of them are above ground,
and and you back out a little bit and they're
just everywhere, and you can like move like three miles

(01:40:47):
in any direction. You just like zoom in there they are.
You zoom out going somewhere else, randomly, boom, there they are.
And there's so many of them that you can, like
like it's like you couldn't you couldn't miss them. But
from the ground you can't see them at all, you know,
you know, they're just like little little raises in the
in the in the terrain now just barely there like that.

(01:41:08):
Maybe the plants grow a little different and there's fairy
circles out like in in the Aboriginal area. Western Australia
like that too, where there's just endless amounts of like
structure on the ground that doesn't really make sense. The
Ceias like that. Saudi Arabia is like that. Iraq is
like that Chad is like that, Sudan is like that,

(01:41:29):
Ethiopia is like that, and there's no there's like, there's
no explanation for it. It's just it's there. There's things
out in the in the desert near Iraq called like
desert kites, and those are really cool to look at
because they're very hard. Like what could that be? Is
the question? Right? Like, they they're not walls, jeez, And
so the prosaic explanation is their animal traps or something.

(01:41:51):
But you're like you're telling me they were making like
eighty kilometers of animal traps that are all in the
same style and like they're just connected and like, no,
there's some other thing going on there, and yeah, anybody
with Google Earth can do it. It's just it's more
like you can even go there and see photos of
these things. It's just like, but what is it all

(01:42:12):
add up to? You? Like what is this all meaning?
Like what is what could this all mean? And how
much of this is like is intact versus completely broken
and rubbled? And it seems like I think almost all
of it's broken rubble versus intact. Yeah, and I think
that's because of Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I really, I mean you think about it, Think about
the and we'll probably go ahead and wrap this up
here shortly, but think about the Iraq are their most
recent video of Like, think about the ISIS members going
in and destroying all the statues and saying that, right.
So I don't think that was I honestly, it was
obviously those people who did it, right, the ISIS members, right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
But what I'm saying is I feel like they might
have been paid to go do that. You look at
places like Dressden, you know, what was it World War
one or two? I can't remember, but it was like
just demolished.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
You look at it, Yeah, dude, And there's so much
of that all over the United States as well.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
But we willingly do it in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
It's like we're not we're not dropping bombs where we're
destroying places like what's the subway in New York?

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
That was Grand Central Station, right, and then then they'd
tear it down, this big, beautiful building and then they've
rebuilt it with this like you know, modern industrial, you know,
metal looking building. I can't remember the name.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
I think it's Grand Central Station, right, And I might
be wrong about that, but yeah, to all these places
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Man, there's there's stuff here in the town I'm in.
When I went to the library, I was like blown
away by the buildings that used to be here in
the early nineteen hundreds. In the late eighteen hundreds, O cool,
whenever they were supposedly only seven hundred people here, and
those buildings, yeah, were fires and all this other stuff.

(01:44:06):
There were construction roaming construction crews that were funded by
like super millionaires. So you've got like down here, it
would be Flagler. Up in New York, it would be
maybe like Smith, but Carnegie this kind of said they
were really perfect. I mean I've seen that stuff too.

(01:44:27):
I'm like, man, they really perfected that. Bricks basically they
really perfected. Like they were so good with brickwork, and
like the scale at which they were standing stuff up
with brickwork. The masonry stuff was just wild, especially things
that are good. I don't know, like like a three
or four story building, Like there was just seemed to
be like a propensity to build stuff like that like crazy,

(01:44:49):
and I I would I would wonder too, like if
it left untouched, how long did those stick around versus
something else? Is that? You know what I mean? Like
like versus versus what we build our houses out of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Like, well, they make it again, they make it hard.
If you want to build a house, we just build
a house. If you want to build it out of brick,
it costs way more money. You got to get way
more really permits and all this stuff. Yeah, they make
it so much harder. Again, that's another layer that that
could go. Well, I just won't even bother with. I'll
just build it out of wood. Yeah, because if another
flood comes, all this is gone. There's no proof of

(01:45:27):
life every ye.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
But what I was gonna say, man, is like it's
not all bricks. Some of that stuff was brick that
you're just talking about. But there was there was a
building here in town that it was like stone. It
was like Greek looking, it was like all stone pillars
and everything. Yeah, and it was torn down in the
early nineteen hundreds and they said it was because of fire.
So it's like, yeah, yeah, enough in a stone building. Now, yeah,

(01:45:53):
there's a fire in a stone building. I believe that
fires can't happen in stone buildings. But it would just
you know, char the the surface a little bit. It
wouldn't burn it down to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
But we're discovering a lot of these different things.

Speaker 6 (01:46:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
I think it's interesting that, you know, people are sort
of waking up to all this, people like you and
I and even my wife, man, who's very reluctant to
listen to anything I say. She'll occasionally send me a
little email or a message or something and go, hey,
check this out, and what do you think about that?
And I go, oh, she's she's questioned the narrative now
as well. But I think it's important that people go

(01:46:28):
out and just like explore their backyards and you know,
go take a sifter, one of those little gold sifters,
and go out and just sift around it. You know,
creeks and stuff like that. If you're down in Saint
Augustine or if you're in Charleston or something like that,
and you're gonna find some crazy stuff. I have a
friend of mine who works at a historical society, and
he has old maps that were from like the eighteen

(01:46:49):
hundreds seventeen hundreds, and he overlays them where towns used
to be, and he goes out and explores all these
places and he finds all kinds of relics that are
buried deep in the woods and all this other stuff,
and he finds evidence that like stone evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Like I don't want to give too much away because
he told me not to really talk about it too much,
but he finds like all these big stone things in
the middle of like dry land out far in South Carolina,
not even not even close to the coast, as if
it was underwater at some point, and so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Yeah, there's there's some weird stuff out man. Yeah. I
was in the woods, uh one time, like I kind
of grew up in the country and I was in
the woods in the middle of nowhere and stumbled into
like you know, like a stone sphere three feet maybe
four feet like partially buried. Just like what the hell?
How did the hell of this guy here? I couldn't
I can interfere. It was like somebody's like just was

(01:47:43):
made that thing and like push it through the woods
and and and just stays there or is it was this?
So maybe it maybe it used to maybe it was
a tumble or something. I've no idea, but just the
middle of nowhere, like there's no there's no road to
get to it, just the middle of the used to.
Just like wonder so much about like like I don't know,
just in general, like what you would what you could

(01:48:05):
expect to find is probably a lot less than what
most people think you could expect to find. And little
bits of evidence like that are kind of the things
that might be left over from a really old, really
big civilization. It's only going to be the stone stuff.
And you look around, like how much how much are
we doing in stone? Like not as much as you
might think, Like not, there's there's not as many solid

(01:48:27):
stone things as you might think. And there's not as
there's not there's especially not a good chance even if
there was that thing that it would survive. We've seen
statues out of Egypt that are like constructed out of
like crazy hard stuff, like just just like the hardest
materials that you could possibly want to construct that like
basalts and things like that, diar writes and things, and

(01:48:51):
like even those statues there are beat up and they
got some of these got ideally buried, you know, So
thinking of stuff that would be expos it's just a
wonder that we have anything to look at. But again,
the evidence isn't gonna be huge. I think where we
can hope is we can hope that some of the
legends that they're that essentially point to patriarch figures like

(01:49:15):
Enoch or matriarch figures like Nua that had like a
good enough foresight that something bad was happening in the
world are about to and buried stuff like intentionally stuck
it into vaults and and and and knew that it
was like it was either there or wasn't gonna make it.

(01:49:36):
We can only hope that maybe one of those didn't
get opened up yet, because I think that's the story
we keep kind of like circling around it. But I
think the real story is the there's a power structure
in place of the people that of people that know
what they're out there looking for because they found stuff

(01:49:57):
that's just absolutely anomalous versus everyone else who can only
speculate on it. You know, it wouldn't take much if
you found like I don't know, if if I were
just to go and like take everything, I wouldn't know.
I'm looking around my house. I wouldn't know what to
stick in there, like like some laptops and jewelry, baseball cards,

(01:50:19):
whatever that is, right, like just putting a bunch of
stuff into like the If I knew I could like
make it show up post flood, like like I wouldn't
know what to stick in there, but I would try
to stick the most useful things in there. I try to.
I try to stick like sustainable things. And they're like,
would you put a cell phone in there? Probably not,
but you might put like some walkie talkies and a
solar panel, and you know what I mean, Like think

(01:50:41):
like right, like there's some things that you think would
just make sense to show up on the other end,
like radio being one of them, Like like just electricity
in general, just the idea trying to get something on
the idea of that. But it's got to be sustainable
whatever it is, because if your whole society is built
upon nuclear, don't you're going to be able to put
a nuclear reactor in a vault or anything. But but yeah,

(01:51:04):
I think I think I think we should all keep looking,
and we're trying to do our part by looking through
the books and I try to look through science stuff,
and I try to look at artifacts, like I'd love
to go digging, I'd love to go zoom places y.
I'm like, I'm very happy just trying to find those
places right now, because I don't think they're I don't
think they're in the most obvious of places. I think, like,

(01:51:27):
you know, like Egypt is maybe two percent thug, Like,
we've got to look away from the obvious and more
into the less obvious places right now, the places that
were like like obvious from a climatic standpoint, like from
like if if jeez, if you're looking like you're not
going to obviously look thirty feet off the coastline underwater,

(01:51:48):
if you're looking for easy to find stuff, but it
might be that that's actually the most untouched stuff. And
the same thing with like mountains and stuff like that,
that might be the most untouched areas or the ones
that are harder to get to up in the mountains
or underwater. Google Earth actually blurs a lot of their
of the coastlines around the world out. I don't know

(01:52:08):
what they're doing with that, Like yeah, yeah, I saw now,
I know they're covering cost exactly. They're like, what in
the world they should at least canarry that stuff and
say we were asked to blur this, you know, or
something like this, because at least it's pretty It does
like gaslighting people at this point. Yeah, well, I mean,
but but we know. I mean that that just proves

(01:52:28):
that when you do a Google Earth search and try
to zoom in on the coastline, you'll see what we're
talking about is blurred out. And in most of the
areas around like Florida and California, in places where high
populations are and stuff like that. And there was a
lady who wrote a book on that. She started like
tracking this. I can't remember the name of that book now,

(01:52:49):
God man, that was I looked it up one time
and I was like, I need to get this book.
But I think I didn't have much money at the
time or something. I was like, I'll pass on that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
But it was it was something I really wanted because
she she kind of documented all this here's what it
looked like before they.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
Blurred it out on Google Maps.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
She had she had archived all these pictures of like
all these different mysterious places around the world, and now
all of them are blurred out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
God, I got it. I hope I saved that somewhere. Well,
they're not the only I mean, they're they're so they
provide images kind of to everyone. And I think if
you ever need so, if somebody out there is run
into a problem, where like they thought there was something
somewhere and they have, you know, some archived image of
it and they really want to explore it. There are

(01:53:32):
commercial image image providers, so you have to go to them,
and and your images are gonna cost a lot of money,
but if you need them, they're there. So these high
resolution photos scans whatever they do exist for some places,
and and you've got to pay out the nose for them,
Like you might pay fifteen hundred bucks to get a tile,

(01:53:53):
you know, they mean to get like a high detailed tile.
It's like maybe a one mile by one mile area,
so that maybe maybe we can get some of that back,
like if there's anything in there that's like really interesting,
we should maybe we could see if anybody I don't
know has one of them. You can get an account
with the satellite imaging providers too. They'll give you access
like the kind of like stock photos. It gived you

(01:54:14):
like ten a month or something. But that stuff is, yeah,
it's mysterious because like that is the open source end
of it is the image engines. When they when they
started doing that, it was like that was like twenty
five years ago when when I think it was Microsoft
started and they had they had just said, like, we've
got satellite images of the freaking world, and here it
is on a map, and you could like type in

(01:54:35):
your address and be like what in the world and
see like I don't know if it's satellites completely as
like a mixture of aerials and satellites, the airplane stuff,
but to be able to see like what things looked
like and now and now it's advanced to the point
where it's like every inch of the world for the
most part. There's some missing parts, but like for the
most part, like every inch of the world you can
go see like from the ground level and from this

(01:55:01):
I'm sorry, from the street level too, which is just
like wild. There were some things that Google Earth has
covered up that I don't know if it's all been
fully talked about, but I just I think, yeah, just
on the on the cursory, like look into that stuff.
It's it's like they're trying to make sure nobody goes
goes out there and I guess dives it or digs it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Yeah, you're right, man. And they purposely make these books
so expensive too. I mean, you were talking about finding
all these old books. Good luck, man, You're gonna pay
thousands of dollars for original copies for.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
These things, you know, and there's not that many of them. Yeah,
there's some expensive though, and nobody's scanning them. Like that's
what's really wilder is when you when you find these
old books and there's like nobody's actually scanning it. Like
they're like you can see the front, you can see
the back, you can see like two leafs, and that's it.
And like, yeah, there's some of those. Some of those

(01:55:55):
are like geez, because there's just like Enoch that are
that are that are like that? And and when when
the Dead Sea scrolls were being pulled out of Kumran,
there was a team member that the guy that led
the German team on and they were like the major
excavators of that stuff. He had said that they were

(01:56:17):
trying to secure because basically they they found this like
cash of old documents out in the middle of the desert,
right and and like they they found somebody who's like, ah, yeah, no,
I knew you guys were going to come for this stuff,
and I've got some of this stuff, like I have
my I came here and like tooks, I'm already and
one of the things that this guy took that was
shown to the leads of the lead person. Here was
an extant book of Enoch from Cumroon, complete and they

(01:56:43):
could never negotiate a price for it, Like millions of
dollars is what that was worth? At least, because I
mean it was. How much is it going to give you? Like,
how much is that going to differentiate from like the
copy that we have that made its way through the
Ethiopic and it's still in their Bible? Not a lot.
How much is that going to change from Rich Charles's translation,

(01:57:05):
which is like what we use to see to our version.
Not a lot. But imagine if there was like one
extra page and it said by the way, like if
you chant these words or you know what I mean, Like,
there's always the chance for that. I think that's why
it's so exciting to track down old books, is there's
the chance that you got the copy that was kept

(01:57:27):
the tightest, that contained the one weird thing, the one
anomalist thing that without it you don't have. You have
got a story versus like an instruction manual or something.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Yeah, That's what I was telling you about whether it
like the Bruce Cathy thing. You know, they always take
a little piece of information and make you like take
you all in his own billbo bag in the journey
all over the place trying to find the answer for something,
and just one little thing plugs it in and ah
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
You know, everything makes it it from there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
But I know one book that's not expensive, nets The
Look of Enoch and Antideluvian Account, which you guys can get.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
You can find on Amazon dot com. Uh, do you
have it for sale at Cosmos dot University your website.
You can go there to find it. So we've got
if you go to our website, what we've got on
our website for the book of nuch Is we have
a free version of the text. It doesn't include our studies,
but because we worked hard on the studies and we
worked hard on the text too, But we've got a

(01:58:25):
free version of the text that's like online. You can
just on your phone or on your desktop you can
read it. We've got a kindle version and a paperback
and a hardcover and a pdo so on Amazon. We
have the paperback, hardcover and and kindle version. And for
everything else you have to go to the site. Yeah,

(01:58:46):
you get a big beautiful hard copy behind you. Man,
that thing looks awesome. Oh it's thick, yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
We've got a few in stock. I guess you could
call it. We try to keep these. But it's a big,
thick book. And I would encourage anyone who wants to
read read it to go to go read it. It's
it's it's one of these things that if you're interested

(01:59:07):
in the in any of this old stuff, don't just
like take my word for it. And I know we
had we didn't really get through a lot of questions today,
but don't really really don't take my word or anybody's
word for what's in there. Just go read it yourself.
It's it's forty fifty thousand words. I'll take you maybe
a week or two if you're if you're really trying
to take your time, but maybe a day if you
just want to get through it. And there's not that

(01:59:29):
there's not an endless amount of these old books. So
if you, if you, but as you consume them yourselves,
with your you know, your with your own viewpoint on them. Yeah,
I think it can help to solidify some of these
like questions that people have. There's way less information in
it than you might think usually and information isn't as

(01:59:50):
clear as as as some people make it out to be.
But that is history in a nutshell. That is this
blurry old history that I tell a lot. It just
doesn't always paint with like letter by letter details. You know,
it's not line, it's not it's not every threat of
the fabric, but you can kind of tell what's going on.

(02:00:14):
So I encourage that, like for one hundred percent, like
go check out our book and if anybody wants to
reach out and help us with something like a book
called Enoch, just please go to our website. We are
trying to look for people that are interested in this
space and that like they geek out over trying to
make a difference in the space, and so our major
our major things that we're trying to accomplish with us

(02:00:36):
something like the book Enoch, is to get funding together
to support research to paint better pictures than what we've
currently got. For all the old knowledge that we've got,
the artifacts, sites that we have books, you know, we
want to get as much of that figured out as
possible so we can all look at as a as

(02:00:56):
a world and study it with less bias. And thing,
and well, your website is freaking beautiful. I told you
that last time we talked. Dude amazing as a web designer, I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Like, God, I wish I could do something like that,
but unfortunately I'm just like your basic web design guy.
I can add some nice photos to it, because I'm
a photographer too, But for the most part, man, I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
I can't do what you just did. And what did
you call that? You called it some form of uh design? Informational? Well,
that the website's experience designer is where we experience this.
I like, give people a real cool experience. I'm from
the old you are from the old web. Used to
run into websites that were just more experiential than than
focusing on like accessibility and and and trying to like

(02:01:41):
work on a tablet and work on a cell phone
and work on a refrigerator or whatever. So yeah, that
type of design. I wouldn't even know what to call that.
It's an expressive, information heavy design, but mostly just trying
to put people on a little bit of a fun journey,
like of information and symbol and show how it can

(02:02:01):
tie together in the world. It's a great resource. I mean,
for people who want to go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
I mean there's a lot to learn on there. There's
there's I mean tons of stuff you can just sit
there and just sit through. And it's and it's laid
out in a way that it's like, you know, we're
visual guys. Like whenever I go to meet with someone
about a website and and talk to them about it,
it's hard for me to even talk to them. I'd
rather just build one and show them and then and
then they go, I like this, and let's do this

(02:02:29):
or let's do that, rather than me having to explain
it to them, because explaining things is not always easy.
Sometimes you have to you have to make it into
a visual format. And believe me, his website is extremely visual.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
It's very pleasing to look at. Is it easier when
webs uh desktop or mobile? That's not for sure? A
decent side screen we designed it for like for that, yeah,
like the full face experience essentially, like you just try
to get people to need to get involved on it.
And there's a there is like a practical side of

(02:03:03):
the site too, that's that that works on the phone
really well, which which we're still building. It takes some time,
but we have got this. We've got like seven or
eight thousand records nouns that we track, and it's things
like like ruby is a noun that we track, and
it's it's a crystal and it's got it's associated with
these type of deities and these type of magical effects,

(02:03:25):
and it's referenced in these books. And so we've got
we're starting this kind of like it's like a Wikipedia,
but it's not really. It's more like the data layer
of trying to track down esoteric subjects like like crystals, plants,
magic effects, books that contribute to that people from these books,
genealogies from these books, et cetera. And that's that that

(02:03:47):
that's like a pocket guide. I use that all the time.

Speaker 5 (02:03:49):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
I'll like pull my phone out, go to our site
really quick and do a quick search on you know, like, okay,
what's the spiritual properties of like star anise as somebody's
burning star anise and that's like that's that's a smell,
and and that's that's for hundreds of years, people have
had folk ideas of what that smell does and like
what it invites in and like that kind of stuff.

(02:04:11):
So we're trying to not only just like show really
I guess, like a cool experience, but also morph it
into like education and and and and being a service
to folks that are there, not just eye candy to
hope anybody that went through would learn some stuff too.
We put a lot of these like really interesting I
guess even call them easter eggs on there. And there

(02:04:34):
is a there's a thing that nobody has solved yet.
It's a puzzle, so if anybody wants to look, it's
on our community page. So we kind of made it fun. Well,
I might have to check that. I might have to
solve it, like Matt Damon good Goodwill hunting right, just
go up there and just be like, there's no instructions.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
Well, Greg, thanks for joining me, brother. I really pre
shid it, and I'll look forward to our next talk.
I think we're gonna have a lot of good conversations
and hopefully you'll join me again to talk about some
of that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
I love everything we talked about today. I can talk
about it forever. Love.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
This is the kind of the direction I want to
take the show. So thanks for joining me, brother, I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Thanks for having me brother.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
But I.

Speaker 6 (02:05:39):
Don't know what trying not to see it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:05:52):
Control, trying not a right direction.

Speaker 5 (02:05:59):
God send me your bless I'm so tie up, stress.
It's music's turns, upsession, upsish.

Speaker 6 (02:06:07):
I got a long way to go to ease my family.
My clothes soaking with big some sweat, and the rain.

Speaker 5 (02:06:12):
Going happen, say having, say hi, and I can change
all my mistakes. But y'all be half down and fall
y'all that means the things that I saw hallus natan
from the outer hall.

Speaker 6 (02:06:25):
But now I can stop my own fall.

Speaker 5 (02:06:27):
I gotta standstill, overcome the scene, open down at ther
roll sank the church.

Speaker 6 (02:06:32):
Here, So deal Lord. Well, I'm standing at the gross.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
I don't know when to our news and control, trying
not to see my soul. I'm standing at the gross.
I don't know where to our news and control.

Speaker 5 (02:06:55):
Trying not just set up out getting back, thinking about
the men Maris.

Speaker 6 (02:06:59):
Now, I don't know who's a friend of me. These
people at Black they can to me, well, that's still
a mister reach. A man's ever wants me to lose
my my religion. But I won't stop what I to find.
I won't give and won't give. So I'm gonna sit
down right head break, and that's the lord above the help.

(02:07:22):
It chan't my way today.

Speaker 5 (02:07:24):
The world's belling with green and be and hey, you
moveing to them, past the byrection to the break.

Speaker 6 (02:07:28):
You can love me. Hey, I'm in a don't break.
I'm at the crossbow. I'm trying to find my way.
If you can your health be? Oh, can your health be?
Im standing at the gross room. I don't know where
our news a control trying not to see my soul.
I'm standing at the gross.

Speaker 4 (02:07:50):
I don't know which our news a control, trying not yourself?
So little guy, got me all precisty side like Jadey, show.

Speaker 6 (02:08:06):
Me the wig, Show me the wig, please gout me.
Got me all precise side like jo to take money,
Show me the wig. I'm standing at I don't know
which you our nis A control trying not to see

(02:08:27):
my soul. Why I'm standing at the grossos mom, I
don't know which you go. Ourn's a control. I'm trying
not just sell so, but I'm standing at the gross
I don't know where to our news a control trying
not to see my soul. I'm standing at the

Speaker 4 (02:08:49):
Crossos mom, I don't know where you go our news
a control, trying, not just self sotto

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