Illuminati Dolphins: Singularity, Dark Enlightenment, Illuminati Stallions, Methylene Blue & Psychedelics w/ Paranoid American and Doenut

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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
What did you do with Wu Tang?

Speaker 4 (01:09):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
I started out doing a website for kill a Priest
at one point, and then I was doing a website
for Fourth Disciple, and I kept trying to shop the beats,
and eventually I got some of my beats in front
of twelve o'clock from Brooklyn Zoo. Twelve o'clock and Rason,
We're both from Brooklyn Zoo, who are cousins of ODB.

(01:30):
So I ended up doing a couple tracks with them,
and then from them, I ended up working with a
couple like Wu affiliates. And then when the Wu Tang
Reunion tour came, and this was two thousand and six,
I want to say in Orlando, I helped set up
the backstage. I actually got a video of me running

(01:51):
from backstage after doing a quick little interview with a
drunk Quentin Tarantino, and then Rason came and grabbed me
and I got to go out on the stage and
like record the whole crowd. And there was this guy
there that had like a ODB tattoo on him or something,
so I got like some footage of that. I was
kind of doing b roll for part of the Wu
Tang Reunited tour.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
What in the world was Quentin Tarantino doing there?

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, I believe that this was around Kill Bill, So
Riza had done a lot of the music on Kill Bill.
I think he did the entire soundtrack. So they were
they were chilling together like Riza and quin Tarantino for
a minute there, and then I was so wet behind
the ears. I was still in college at this point.
I had the crappiest little mini DV camera that I

(02:36):
just had bought, you know, on like a like a
discount at some point, and I borrowed one of my
friends mini DV tapes, and we roll up to the
hotel where Quentin Tarantino's staying at, and Mathematics is there,
and Masdakilla's there, Jizz is there, like all the ogs.
I was like, that was probably the most starstruck I've
been in my life, and never this much since then.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
And I was so starstruck.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
I see Quentin Tarantino come out of the hotel and
I pop up my mini DV and I'm like trying
to record them and it's dark out and I don't
have any lights. It's like the most just a mini
DV and that's it. I don't have any other gear
and uh, and Jess starts making fun of me because
in my haste, I didn't even remember to take the
lens cap off and he's like, look a guy over here.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Like Cameraman of the Year or something.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
It was it was a humbling experience when I got
to like meet all of my idols. Essentially at that
point it was fun, man, But that that industry, I
could see it just like chewing people up, spitting them out,
and it was it was weird being able to see
behind the scenes a little bit and like how the
sausage is made, and it just it disillusioned me totally

(03:48):
because I could see people with the most talent not
making progress and it's not like this horrible machine and
the business execs just don't. It was like those guys
with mad talent and maybe just didn't show up on
time every time, and maybe sometimes they spent half the
time at the studio on their phone or calling girls

(04:08):
or trying to find drugs or and then you had
the people that were mediocre, but damn if they didn't
show up on time and make the best use of
their studio hours and then keep shopping and pushing and
and it was just like, man, I don't like your music,
but I love your work ethic and I guarantee you, man,
you can fall upwards all the way up to the
top echelon with that sort of mentality.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
And I just didn't like it.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
And it wasn't fun for me at that point because
you're always working on someone else's music and never your own,
and every when you meet they've got their own little
passion project, and it just was all the way down.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I bet that's why bands break up a lot, too,
is they all? They probably all have these like side.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Things that they're working on.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
They you know, I can only imagine they've they've been
writing songs and they get it to a guy like
James Hitfield.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
And he's like, now fuck this, you know, and they're like,
come on, dude, please. You know, I've been writing this
stuff forever. And then they work on their own little
side gigs.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I was watching something with Tupac and Snoop. It was
like it was from MTV and the person that was
doing the interview.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Was the worst person I ever heard do an interview,
and he sounded like he was like seventeen years old
or something. I was like, is this what is this
what MTV used to be? I can't I can't remember
it being that way, but I mean I remember Kurt
Loder or whatever his name is, but I don't remember
old now.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Bro, you're old now all you're watching that and the
kid was seventeen, It's like, oh man, that older kid's
talking to these.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
But I was just like, man, is this you know?
And then Snoop and Tupac where he answering questions like professionally,
and I was like, man, this is like not very good.
I just felt like it was, you know, I don't know,
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
It should have been better for like MTV quality stuff,
But I guess they did have a lot of like teenagers,
and you know, I mean they had that dude, what's
that fucking dude with the wild hair.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It was like a VJ.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Jesse camp.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, Jesse went camp that dude.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah he won the like be Avja immediately got hooked
on Heroin like ruined everything. Yeah, like he was hooked
on heroin before he Oh yeah yeah, yeah, that's the
most MTV viewer you can really get. Oh and yeah,
I mean those early days. I mean for pretty much
all genres, but mostly for like that hip hop genre

(06:21):
and maybe a little bit of like rock run stuff.
But it was they were all unprofessional because they were
all like kids and they were all sort of figuring
this stuff out on the on the way in, and
the labels had absolutely no prerogative to like teach them
to be more professional because they benefited off of people
not being professional and being went behind the ears.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
There's something to be said about that, because like now
it's like manufacturer. Everything is like overproduced and over you know,
checking all the boxes. I used to listen to a
lot of country music and now listen to it, it's
all like keywords, that's all they say.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's just like.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Girl the lyrics make sure they get high on the
Google results. Yeah. The other thing, too, man, is that
the new version of musician. I was just reading this
here daily. Even huge music groups that can sell out,
you know, tens of thousands of tickets, the ROI like

(07:17):
the percentage on their return for the amount of time
spent for practicing and traveling and all the overhead costs
for the crew and all that stuff. It pretty much
doesn't mean anything profit wise. If you just compare it
to like if they got hired to promote a perfume
brand and post you know, a couple five to twenty

(07:38):
second clips on Instagram or TikTok or whatever, they will
make many hundreds of times more in profit relative to
the amount of work versus going on tour. And it
used to be, oh well, they would go on tour
to sell merch, and then the merch was the real
and even at that point, now that's it's not so
much man like you and you actually have to be

(07:59):
a mind personality music. At this point, a musician is
really a content creator first and then a musician second.
I would say that's a good or bath. That's not
like an old fuddy duddy back in my day kind
of thing. It's just the new way things are.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's what they do with Like athletes, they'll they'll they will,
like sports teams will recruit athletes based on their if
you know, how many followers they have and things like that,
and so will professional teams. They will, you know, they
will give them big contracts if they have like a
million followers or something, because they know that they make
more money selling jerseys and stuff like that than they do,

(08:36):
you know, tickets to a game or whatever the case is,
or licensing their products.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Even if you suck, man, even if you suck at
your sport, if you can put butts in seats and
sell tickets, then that that's all you really kind of need, right.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh yeah, And it's funny, man, I was talking who
was I talking to earlier? I was talking about Oh,
I was talking to a client of mine.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I do still do web design and stuff, and I
was telling him, like how Starbucks sells more milk than
they do coffee, you know, and it's like a lot
of people don't even think about that kind of stuff,
but it's like those side you know, like you can
go to McDonald's or you know, heart E's or anywhere nowadays,
and every one of them have a big drink menu
and like everything that they're advertising on the menu is drinks.

(09:19):
It's because they're you know, they make more off of drinks.
They make more off of like that. It's just simple sugar, water,
fruit whatever mixtures, and they make more money off that
than they do burgers. So they're more of a drink
business than they are a burger business, if that makes
any sense.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Well, and before that, they're a real estate business. Yeah right,
they're everything but a food business essentially, Like, how far
can you really get just being a burger a place
that sells burgers. There's really a very real ceiling on that,
But there's not a ceiling on expanding and doing all
kinds of other stuff. I mean, I wouldn't surprise me

(09:56):
at some point like McDonald's drive through ads a car
wash and now you just pay money to get your
car in the drive just because it's hey, you're already there,
and you know what I mean? It would how hard
would be an upsell? Hey would you like to supersize
that in get a car washed? It's just like a
little button you press, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I'm pretty sure they did that at Walmart before. Like
you can go to Walmart and get your taxes done,
go to McDonald's kind of shit.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yeah, I all think anyone's ever gone to Walmart and
come back cleaner?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I went to a guy named mom Marcus Slimona.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I used to watch a guy named Marcus Slimonas
on the show the Profit I've Ever seen that?

Speaker 5 (10:33):
No, I never heard of the well the F or
a pH.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Profit with it with the F yeah, p R O
F I it t yeah. And he would he would
go into businesses and like fix them, you know, it
was like failing businesses. He'd buy them and then he
would just basically remarket rebrand everything and then and do
fire sales. I learned a lot from that show because

(10:56):
I learned about like it's just it was weird something.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It was weird stuff. It was just like he bought
a burger.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Joint, excuse me, And and he would literally go and
he would count out each piece of lettuce and every
tomato and every cup for catchup and all this other stuff,
and he would like, this is this costs five cents,
this costs d DA DA And he would turn businesses
from like failing businesses to making millions. And it was
really really interesting to watch. But it's funny how you

(11:24):
can like you can take anything that you're doing and
kind of, you know, magnify that out. That was the
conversation I was having with the guy I was doing
the web that I'm doing a website for.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
He was, you know, he was like, how do I
how do I grow? I kind of hit a ceiling
and that was like, well, in.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Marketing, you gotta find ways to upsell and remarket stuff
to your current existing clients.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
You know, you got to you got to like offer
something else. And then we kind of we kind of.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Walked through like some of the ways that you can
do that, and that sounds kind of gross, I guess,
but it's like, you know, when businesses get stuck, you
gotta find ways to like be creative. And that's why
they change up menus and stuff at McDonald's and all
these other things all the time. Is you create a demand,
you create a supply. You know, all that stuff like
McK ribs they only come out certain times a year
and all that good stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
So, yeah, conspiracy McRib that's actually a great idea. I
don't know what that would be. Maybe like you can
only get Waco comics like they're in April or something,
you know, I mean speaking at market wise. This is
kind of an interesting too, because I'm a huge proponent
of Robert Caldini wrote a book called Influence, which is

(12:36):
sort of a more modern version of like Edward Burnet's style,
writing about like propaganda and stuff, but an influence. He
mentions a few different examples. One of those examples was
that they had this store that when you walked in,
they couldn't sell whatever this widget was, right, they weren't
able to sell it. And the guy was like, buy one,

(12:58):
get too free, like he was just trying to best
to move it. And then the other guy, another guy
comes in. Robert Caldini makes his point that instead of
buy one, get too free, they put five dollars full price,
limited supply or something, and just the higher perceived value
and the fomo of like, what do you mean limited supply?

(13:20):
I might not gonna be able to get this again,
and people end up paying triple for just one as
opposed to getting one and getting these two off because
like that perceived value difference. And when I had first
started out my Paranoid American dot com website, all the
comics were just free you could go on there, and
I had like the best seo all the text on
a page, I had it there on the page under

(13:42):
the images, and then any kind of topics that came up,
I had links to went to Wikipedia, and links that
went to Amazon and stuff. But what would happen is
that they would get a lot of views and no
one wanted to buy them in print. And it was,
I think of a perceived value thing. It was like, oh,
these things are totally free, just like a web comic
out there, and I basically took them all down. It

(14:04):
was so much work to maintain all that and to
transcribe the pages and make it look good on mobile,
and you know, all the little like nippiggy challenges. So
I just stopped doing that, and then immediately I started
moving actual comic. I mean, who would have thought if
you're giving him away for free? But I just I
learned a lot from that firsthand on just a simple

(14:25):
thing of not offering as much, which I I kind
of didn't understand it at the time. But again, it's
like a perceived value thing.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, there was a I do that with baseball cars.
I buy and sell baseball cars.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I mean, I'm kind of getting out of it, though,
but you know, you get you find that athlete that
you think is going to do well.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
It's just like a stock market or a crypto or whatever.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And then you're like, Okay, I'm just gonna go all
in with this guy, and you buy up all his
cards and you hope that he's big.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Well, I've done that with a couple of athletes, and.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
One of them, I have so many of his that
I kind of control the mark.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
That's how many I have, Like I'm the only guy who.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Has them, and so now I'll like slow drip them,
right because I don't want to flood the market with
all this mr you know, all those baseball cards. I
just want to kind of put one out there now
and then and then sell that one in and just
keep slow dripping. So I'm I guess you could say
it's kind of controlling the market with that, but it's
like also over here, Yeah, I also spent like three

(15:25):
years collecting them and grading them and all this other stuff.
So it's like, you know, and some of them, I
don't really want to get rid of them. I love them,
So it's like.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know, just I'm not that they're like idols or
anything like that. It's just like I.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Like to look at them, like the way they look,
and you know, you got cards for sale on Paranoid
American dot com. And it's just cool to have them.
It's just cool to have little things like I've you know,
I got Funko pops and stuff and here in my
office too, you know.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
So, I mean I grew up collecting trading cards. The
biggest ones for me were baseball cards, but I mean
I collected pretty much everything except for maybe hockey cards.
Those ones that I got, like a few. I just
never was really passionate about it. But man, I used
to just absolutely love just going through and organizing and
staring at all the different baseball cards and then like

(16:09):
the holographic cards would come out and the foils and
there was It was the best kind of crack for
a little kid.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
There was not. It was almost like opening up.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
A pack of cigarettes or cracking open like a beer,
like that first taste that hits your tongue. It was
like that, but like right as you're opening up that
pack of cards, you know what I mean, There was
like a magic to that, and at a certain point
it just kind of went away, probably because I realized
that all the cards that we've been collecting as kids.
They're like worth nothing because they were making them to

(16:41):
be collector's items versus something that people would throw away
or sticking their spoke so their you know, their bike
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I used to smoke cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I would be smoking cigarettes as a thirteen year old
and opening baseball.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Cards at the same time. So it was like a
weird Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It was like a weird site, man, because I would
I had this little like treasure chest that I buried
in the ground, and it had baseball cards.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And it had coined and you know, money like a
couple of dollars wasn't like a lot of money, and
it was like a pack of cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And somehow my mom found that it was in the
woods in the in the woods in a hole with this,
uh piece of plywood over the top of it.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
And then leave your call.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Follow me.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Then she then she like, uh, I came in one
day from playing and she was like what is this
And it was my pack of cigarettes buried. It was
like frecking marble reds, you know, and she was like
what is this? And she was like, You're gonna stand
in this bathroom until you smoke every one of them.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
And I was like, no, kids never start out on lights, right,
we always go like reds right off right away Newports.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That was because that was what all the you know,
that's what all the rednecks smoked around. So I was like,
I was bumming cigarettes from the local rednecks around on
our dirt road I grew up on.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
So that's another thing that that seems to have gone
out of fashion, is kids smoking cigarettes now it's it's
more cool to not smoke cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Oh, it definitely has.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Man, you got any cigarette merch on your or cigarette
like marble parody shirts or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
You know, I don't think I do.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Man, Maybe maybe I should add some pretty soon. I
don't think I have any cigarette related merch yet.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I was looking through some of the like Paranoid American,
like the what is it called the American Gladiators.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I like that one. I like the Fresh Prince of
bel Air one.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I like the.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
With the uh oh the Unsolved Mysteries one.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
All these shows I grew up on the nineties as well.
My mom tried.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Out for plastic mountain dew and Coca Cola and rock
star logos and stuff. Yeah again, I guess the way
that I see it is that our whole lives, we've
had these logos burnt into our retinas, whether you want
to or not. If you're driving down the highway, you're
going to see it on a billboard, if you're reading
a magazine, you're gonna see it in the magazine, you're
gonna see it. And product placement in movies and commercials

(19:09):
on TV. And the fact that we don't necessarily give
consent that Mountain Dew gets to take up real estate
in my brain. I kind of feel justified that, well,
let's use that part that's burning the brain, but use
it to kind of send different messages and different signals, right,
And so it's like a mnemonic device that's already been
built in, And it seems that it's just a waste

(19:31):
of space if we don't make use of all these
corporate sponsorships that are embedded in our brains.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I was just thinking about something with the embedding.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Oh yeah, the songs, dude, Like I'll just be singing
jingles from like nineteen eighties and.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
TV commercialists all the time, or.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Like, in my it's got to be some kind of
a mind control thing for sure, because I'm always like
clicking my teeth to the beat of something that was from.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
The eighties that I watched.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And I must have watched a lot of TV shows
because I know all the theme songs to everything.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
And you know, you're right. It is definitely like imprinted
in your brain.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Some kind of a sigil magic isn't like isn't like
McDonald's the m like a magic some kind of a
sigil magic symbol as well.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Yeah, I mean I always I guess I'm getting more
into this concept of synchro mysticism where it does it
helps explain where not every single magic sigil necessarily means
that someone sat down at a table and drafted up
an idea of let's use this symbol because it's gonna
tapp into the unconscious. Sometimes those things just naturally align themselves,

(20:41):
like when McDonald's gets so big that it's already affecting
the subconscious, then other things just sort of fall in line.
It's it's a sympathetic magic ritual almost like like meets
like so once it's already gaining so much influence over
your mind, the universe is like, hey, McDonald, here, throw
this in too, like this will help you on your

(21:02):
quest for total domination, like it sees the trend and
it kind of plays into it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
It also feels like we kind of create these things,
like from our collective consciousness.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
The collective consciousness.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Creates these you know, like we're always talking about how
Simpsons are predicting stuff, and it's like maybe we're we
watch it so much that we actually bring it into reality,
you know, we kind of manifest it into some sort
of reality.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Simpsons is a really good example because I believe they
are able to predict things because they have members that
go to Bohemian Grove and I'm sure other collectives that
are similar to Bohemian Grove, where they literally get the
advanced notice on these new cultural movements that are sometimes

(21:48):
four or five six years away or more. So you
could bet if someone sits in on a lakeside talk
of Bohemian Grove and they hear about new political players
in the works, you know, new international day dynamics that
are like sorting themselves out, then those can make their
way into scripts that seem prophetic, but really they just

(22:09):
got advanced notice at some kind of speech. It's like
if you went to a convention right now at whatever.
If it was like web design or something like, all right,
here's the new trends that we're sensing for twenty twenty six,
then you can go to all your clients and be like, look,
I can tell the future. Here's what's going to happen
next year when it comes to SEO practice, And like
you were just at the presentation, so you know, matter

(22:31):
of fact, exactly what's coming. So if Simpson's in particular,
I feel that they've got a lot of that. But
then also, since they were culturally relevant for such a
long time, they probably could have put their thumb on
the weight a little bit, like put their thumb on
the scale and directed it. Although now I almost feel
like they're out of cultural impact, Like they're still around,

(22:53):
they're still printing money, but they're kind of running off
of the nostalgia that they establish in the decade or
so of their existence.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I was also gonna say, like, if you create, you know,
four decades worth of material, some of it's going to
be true at.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Some point too.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
You know, it's like, yeah, notradameous effect. If you just
predict a thousand things, right, even if your batting average
really sucks, you're gonna get a handful right, and most
people they remember the things that you get right, and
they forget the things that you got wrong because there's
no value in me. Like you know, Brad said that
this was gonna happen, it didn't happen. It's like, okay, great,
I don't I don't remember that. That's not important to me.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Do you think they when you said they get advanced knowledge?
How do you how do you think they get they're
getting that? Is it like a they're pulling it from
the Acastak record or they just create it.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And then they just kind of put it out there.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
They're going to these lake side talks of Bohemian Grove,
and they have someone to stand up in front of
the lake and give them an actual presentation and say, hey,
here's these new cultural movements that we know are coming
because we're responsible for them. Here's new technology is going
to be released, here's new international conflicts to be aware of.
And they get that information directly from the people that

(24:08):
actually know, not just some random journalists that are speculating.
So when you go to a lakeside talk of Bohemian
Grove or other places like that. I mentioned Bohemian Grove
because that's the most natural place that like an animator
or someone working in Hollywood would interact with industry and politics.
That's the one place where you would expect to get
some kind of secret deats.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, but I mean you would they have to be
getting it from somewhere too, because like they're predicting terrorist
attacks and they're predicting like nine to eleven attacks and
things like that, Like how do they get and that's
just not something that's creating.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
I mean, I guess that's like them being on the
same wavelength as a truth. So everything that they do
is gonna intersect in a in a very like congruent
way with other things that are happening. So for example,
the nine to eleven prediction, where there's a poster that
if you reverse it, it says nine to eleven and
it has like a twin tower in there right, That

(25:09):
I think is just because they were so close to
everything else and that they were making predictions that the
synchronicity of it all, it's like the event of nine
to eleven was so destined to happen. It expresses itself
through a million different ways. That there was albums that
came out the Koop is one of the examples where

(25:29):
it's these two guys and the twin towers up above them,
and like one of the towers is exploding, and it
was set to come out the day of nine to eleven.
I think he got pushed back because of you know,
no one want to release an album on that day
or on that week. So I think that it's it's
almost like a major event expresses itself. It's almost like

(25:49):
the aftershock, the waves that come through it, they kind
of get to ripple through time space in a little bit.
So like the moments or the days right up to something,
you'll get advanced notice, but we don't necessarily have the
experience or the sensory processing power to know the same

(26:10):
thing as like language of the birds. You see a
bunch of birds flying away, like maybe they knew it
was coming. Who knows, Like no one's really quit Like
asked the pigeons if they knew about nine to eleven beforehand.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I'm going to That's funny you mention that, because
I'm going to what is it, Wyoming, I'm going to
out there like Devil's Tower and we're going to go
to Yosemite National Park, and I saw this thing where
like cougars or mountain lions or something like that are
leaving Yosemite, and it's like, do they know something or something?
I don't want to fucking go now, dude, if there's

(26:41):
something's about to explode there, and all these animals are
leaving and shit migrating south, you know, to Arizona or
places like that, Like I don't want to be there.
I don't want to go visit there. But it does
seem like they, you know, they have they're kind of
tuned in, you know, to this this knowing somehow this
vibration that's that hasn't happened to fact, this wave of
something that's coming. Whenever I've talked about this before with

(27:05):
like nine to eleven, it seems like they knew about
nine to eleven way before it happened. Because the FCC
wanted to get permission to use the thirty three gear
hurt signal from the Department of Defense or I'm sorry,
they want to get it from Congress for the DoD
to use. It was like the thirty three giga hurt

(27:25):
signal was is the Earth to space communications signal, and
they just wanted to control it. And they literally say
they cite and this was February two thousand and one,
that they needed to get control of it in preparation
for a big event that was coming.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
And so like it does feel like they maybe somehow
these people are tapping into into some kind of a
future knowledge.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't think people can predict the future.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I just think that they can predict that something is coming,
but they don't necessarily know what or you know what
I mean, Like a lot of people were talking about
how twenty twenty five of his you know, the Degal report,
there was something going to happen and all this other stuff.
Somebody can There's a lot of talk of they call
it the big event. A lot of these rich people
who are by you know, building bunkers and all that stuff,
they call it that.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
They're calling it the big event.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So it does seem like they are getting some kind
of a futuristic knowledge of something that's to come.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Do you think that's like what's happening?

Speaker 5 (28:23):
I mean, I think that you can't be more vague
than like something BIG's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Because they call it, they call it anything.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Anything can happen. You can be like see I told you,
you know what I mean. At least Nostradamus was a
little more specific. He was still pretty vague about some
of his his prophecies. But sometimes when it's like, look
out everyone, here's the gomatria for twenty twenty five, that
means something BIG's about to happen.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I mean whatever you can. You can just say that
all that you want, and I think that it doesn't
really count. You got to be I don't know what
the requirements are for being a true profit and like
what a real prophecy, but you got to like cite
at least the day that it's going to happen and
the players involved, you know, just saying something BIG's gonna happen,

(29:09):
because something BIG's always happening somewhere, depending on how much
you're going to make a deal out of it.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, but it seems like it seems like people who
have money and power and influence seem to know that
something's happening because there's so many you know, I follow sports,
so I know a lot about sports is going on.
There's a lot of sports teams that are being sold
right now. There's a lot of companies like CEOs are
jumping ship on their companies, a lot of them, and

(29:34):
they're and there's you know, like.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
I guess, but for every one of those sales, there's
also a buyer, right for someone else that's a whole
new opportunity where they're like, I'm gonna scale this thing
up and in the ways that the previous owners didn't
know what they were doing. And so you know, every
every door that closes, a window opens.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, but I'm just saying, like I think that they
have it seems like they know that something's coming, so
let me let me dump all, let me this money
off on somebody else. And what they'll do is whenever
whatever it is crashes, they'll come back in and buy
it up for pennies, right. And so it does feel
like because it's not just one or two or three.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's like hundreds of CEOs have been resigning since twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
They've been you know, selling companies and different stuff, and
like like Zuckerberg has been selling off his stock, a
lot of his stock and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
And it's just like, you.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Know, people were buying like Peter Peter THEO was buying
land in New Zealand, building bunkers.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
So is Zuckerberg. So it's all these people. I'm not
I'm not dooming gloom. I don't know that something's gonna happen,
but you know, all these people are like selling their homes.
Like Elon was living on a boat for a while,
Like was he worried that there was gonna be some
kind of a flood or something? Like why was he
living on the boat? I don't know if he still
does or not. I'm sure he does, but it just
seems like they have some kind of advanced knowledge somehow.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
I mean, if you got ungully amounts of money and
you find out that your your peers are buying up
land in New Zealand doing under round bunkers, it's almost like,
you know, Bob down the street just got a new grill,
so now you got to get a new grill. I
feel like there's a there's a level of keeping up
with the Joneses that never goes away. No matter what
sort of class you belong to, it's always going to

(31:16):
be like, oh wait, you got what you gotta. You
got a submarine or you got an underground bunker. You
got your own satellite. Well, damn, I need my own satellite.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I think it is.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
I'm not saying that's what drives everything, but that's not
something to completely dismiss. The same thing that you know
makes you covet your neighbors goods like that doesn't go
away at any level. That's why it's such a powerful commandment, right.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, one hundred percent, that's a good point. Yeah, but
but it just I mean I'm geared towards thinking that.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Like, you know, everybody always acts like there's this like
left versus right to vibe, but it's actually top versus bottom. Right,
It's never it's it always feels like it's, uh, you
know people who are because I.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Grew up poor man.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean everybody who I know, we're all we're still struggling.
You know, we're still struggling, we're still living check to check.
And meanwhile, like they're in COVID for example, you know,
the billionaires.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Got richer and the you know, the poor got poor.
I mean, that's just it just became even more of
a divide. So that's kind of how I look at things.
I'm not fully I argue on behalf of billionaire. Sometimes
I'm not sitting here saying that they're terrible people and
none of that stuff. I'm just saying, like it does
seem like they get i don't know, some kind of
a future.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Like they get they meet it. We talked about this
last time.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
How they meet it the Builderberg Group meetings and then
they go to sun Dalley, Idaho, and then they have
their meetings of like media mergers and buyouts and all
this other stuff and what to put what to talk
about in movies and all this stuff. So they plan
it out at Builderberg Group, excuse me, and then they
get together and then they map out how they're going

(32:52):
to do it for the next five or ten years
in media, which is one hundred percent true.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I mean, they still do it. There's no secret that
they do that because they'll it'll be same, it'll be the.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Same people who are creating movies like In of the
World movies and all that stuff. It's like culture doesn't
seem like it just happens. It seems like it's created
because it moves quickly, you know, like trends in fashion
and trends and you know you just mentioned run over
with the Joneses and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
It feels like a lot of that stuff is created,
and I mean it's the same idea where I don't
know the name for this term, but when an.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Idea starts to express itself, if you get a really
good idea and you don't pursue it, then someone else
is going to get that same idea soon after. And
if they don't, like, the idea starts floating around like
it's this external thing that doesn't belong to you. And
a lot of people are convinced that like that that
idea was theirs, not that it was this external thing

(33:53):
that floated into their head and they might have been
at the right moment to actually capitalize on it and
execute on it. And I think that the same thing
happens where like a good ideal come around, but you've
got these industries set up so like Hollywood is one
example of many. So when one of those ideas makes
itself the Hollywood, I think they realize, uh, oh, this

(34:15):
idea is out there right now. We need to capitalize
on this idea now because if we don't, someone else will.
And even if we do, this is going to become
part of the zeitgeist. And even if you believe that
and you don't think that it's possible you making the
movie will make it become part of the zeitgeist. So
I think that when you get to those levels of industry,

(34:37):
you absolutely can put your thumb on the scale, like
you can direct what's going to be popular. Now doesn't
mean they're always right. Sometimes you'll see Hollywood back like
a huge movie that just absolutely falls on its face,
and everyone's like, oh, you should have seen that coming,
Like I guess, like a snow White kind of remake
for Disney or something. But also I see some of

(34:58):
those failures. It's like, never let a tragedy go to waste.
Like Disney can still capitalize on a failed movie because
they're still bringing it back into the public sphere. They're
injecting their intellectual property back into the zeitgeist. And even
if you go and see the crappy movie and you're like,
that was horrible, I never want to see that again,

(35:19):
there probably is a little voice in the back of
your head it's like, we should watch the original again.
We should go and stream that on Disney Plus later
to just remind us how good the original one was.
So even if you hate the new movie, they're like
they're gonna double dip. You're gonna pay money to see
the crap movie that they know is crap, and then
you're probably gonna spend a little bit of money or
at least give them ad revenue by going back and

(35:40):
cleaning your palate with the superior version, and that could
be baked into everyone, Like like snow White, the movie
might have just been an advertisement for the original snow White,
just a loss leading advertisement.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
That's a That's a good way to look at it, dude,
that's a really good way to look at it, because
then you crave the original stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah, it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why do you how do you think that Like we were,
you know, when we were teenagers in high school, everybody
heard about like Marilyn Manson removing one rib, you know
that rumor and yeah you know three eleven mint KKK, right,
all that we've heard all these yellow five shrinks your
thing and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's like, how do you think those things permeate throughout?

Speaker 5 (36:23):
There were memes, man, those were that was like.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Well, we didn't have any means.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It was like I guess, yeah, but all it.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Took was from a new kid to come from a
different school and visit a new school, and then it
only takes one kid to be like, hey, you know,
did you know that yellow five makes us so your
you know, dick will never get big. And it's always
like a twelve year old saying this to another twelve
year old, right, and then all of a sudden that
becomes a thing and then you tell it to your friend.
I mean, I think they were more impressive because of

(36:53):
how those things would spread around, Like what was that
little s stussy symbol?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Free lines?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
If you didn't care about the brand, everyone did it
at a certain point. But I also think that that
that world has kind of gone too the same way
that back then, this is gonna be some funny Duddy
in my day kind of thing. But back then, it
was like the music you heard on the radio or
that you saw on MTV, or if you went to

(37:20):
the mall and they had it stocked, that was the
music that you had to talk about with everyone else,
all your peers and everyone right like, that was your
selection and it was it looked massive. Look you go
into the music store, but now bro like you go
into a room and if everyone's got their own SoundCloud
playlist or that guy's on Spotify, and that one's on

(37:41):
Pandora or whatever, all these different selections everyone in. Like
you can get fifty people in a room and they
all are listening to music and artists that no one
else has heard of, right and talking about movies that
no one else has watched, because there's so much more
variety now. So the same thing with memes like back then,
I think it feels like they spread more just because
because there was a very finite amount of those weird

(38:03):
little urban legends. Right now, if you were to consider
every meme you've ever seen as an urban legend, there's
hundreds of thousands, so that we can't even really relate anymore.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, I know, but it feels like a different Uh,
it feels like a different world, like a different universe
or something.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
We we keep shifting into a different every every every age,
every I don't know, every level of Every time you
get wiser in some regard, you shift to a different
a different reality almost but that reality still exists, you know,
like we still know that reality, but maybe it was different.
I think that's where like the Mandela effect comes from,

(38:41):
is like we're keep we keep shifting to different realities.
Everybody's kind of shifting on their own realities. And so
there might be people who might.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Remember PEPSI being the you know, the one that shrinks
your thing.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Versus versus mountain dew Right, It's like those things, those
things can really exist.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I mean, I had me and my mom when we
talk a lot about this kind of stuff all the time,
and you know, she had she remembers things that I
don't and she swears up and down that I did
this and I didn't, you know, or or vice versa.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Like you know, I'll be like, yeah, yeah, you did
that all the time and she's like, I never did that.
And I think that might be because we're shifting into
different realities, different versions of ourselves every single nanosecond.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Every now, every moment that we're we're.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Alive and existing, we're shifting into a into a new
version of ourselves.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
You know, I can be a stickler on this one
because I really I hold objective reality as precious like
it is. It is the only set of reference points
that we can share with each other. And once we
start playing with this Mandela effect and shifting realities, it's
almost like everything goes out the window and there's like

(39:47):
the maps no longer work because your map might have
different coordinates than my map. So I maybe I'm just
like an ultimate normy at heart, But like I am,
I'm still fighting to give up my objective reality and
agree that there's Baron's like two different types of barren stain.
I think that all those can be explained away by
a cheap Chinese manufacturer, like did their own thing one

(40:09):
day and the fruit of the loom, same exact thing,
and Mandela being dead or alive, I mean false news,
like fake news was a thing back then too, like
people ran with it, so you might have heard the
story and unless you personally saw him dead or went
to his funeral, then it's more easy to believe that

(40:30):
human memory is fallible. Freaking shocker, that is right, versus
like reality is changing around you. I feel like it's
more logical to think that your brain is subpar than
reality changes around your brain.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
It's a very narcissistic thought.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I think I'm open to everything, but my.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Main view of it is that we have so many
were vibrations. You know, we have these atoms inside of
us are vibrating and there's like seven octillion of them
vibrating together and when something changes that whenever maybe you
walk through a magnetic field or something and it shifts
those those vibrations around a little bit. I think it
could literally shift you into a different reality, a different

(41:16):
you know, you might not feel it, you might not
know it, but it just it just automatically shifts you
into so so little things could shift you from one version.
There's a there's probably a million different version or seven
octiviyon different versions of our of ourselves that we in
every decision we make, we shift into.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
A new one.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, I've talked about it on my show before. There's
a there's a book that I read my kids. It's
called Danny Duo, or I used to it's called Danny Do.
I believe it's called Danny Doo where if you if
Danny does this, then you turn to page ten. If
Danny does that and turns turn to page twenty, you
know what I mean, and it keeps it takes him
down to.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
A different ending depending on the decisions he makes.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's read your own adventure novel.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yes, yeah, And I feel like that's kind of what
we're doing in life.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
In a lot of ways, we're kind of you know,
every decision we make.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Another door opens and you take that new adventure and
it leads to another thing, and another thing and another thing.
So I do think that we are very different than
you know what we were probably raised.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Like, I mean, whenever I go back home, there are
people who are still kind.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Of in that same energy, that same vibration, like they
can't get out of that. They're stuck there, you know,
and like people want me to move back home all
the time. I'm like, I just can't because I don't
feel like I'm on the same page of the book,
if that makes any sense, you.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I'm like, maybe I'm on page seventy five in their
own page ten still or something.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
What's up, man, Yo?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
What this dough night? More like mess up today? I
am such a dumb dumb I apologize for being late.
I'm so sorry. I am. I am so ashamed of
myself that I apologize. I'm sorry. Thomas paranoid. You want

(43:08):
to believe the crazy dream I had while I slept
through my alarm. I was so excited to be here early.
I texted Thomas too, and I'm just an idiot, and
you were.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
He was fired up earlier today, maybe too fired up.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
The dream I had was scary and it woke me up,
Like you guys sleeped into my dream somehow, and you
both are really freaking pissed in my dream the opposite dude,
So I got the message.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
We were talking about.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
We're talking about how a while ago, how things all
of a sudden, like things that you know, I'm forty two,
Thomas Howl Did you say you are forty two?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
So we went about the same time.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You know, we remember certain things like Marilyn Manson removing
a rib allegedly and Yellow five shrinking your thing and
stuff like that, and it's it's just funny how those
things just, uh, you know, reach from culture to culture.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
You know, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
South Carolina and people in California still heard the same rumors, right,
It's like, it's funny how those things spread.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, y'all would have been my babysitter because because
I knew all about the rib misson, so Maryland could
pleasure himself that from like, uh, the older older generation. Yeah,
I think that this isn't like conspiracy talk. This is

(44:46):
just why I think happened. Well, so, you guys were
really tough right, and uh, the five generations before it,
which would be like I like freshman senior. They were
tougher but a little miser and then the next generation,

(45:09):
like the generations get softer and softer to an extreme
where this next generation that's being developed is probably going
to be psychotic, you know. So it goes from like tough,
a little tough to you know, psychotic and then back to.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, I don't I don't remember. I don't know how
it was. Where'd you go to high school at?

Speaker 6 (45:37):
I mean, what what.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
What about you? Thomas? Where'd you get high school?

Speaker 4 (45:42):
South Florida?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but man,
in the late nineties, early two thousands, I was telling
my wife what that was.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That had to been the best time to be alive.
I know everybody probably thinks that. They probably think that
about the eighties and they probably.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Got humbers, were out on a freeway, you know what.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
I heard this recently in a Y two K documentary
that I was watching, and this random person made such
an interesting statement and they were talking about how the
two or three decades leading up to the millennium right too,
Like that happens once in so many lifetimes and we
were actually alive for the turning of a millennium And

(46:25):
what is that just a made up, you know number
that doesn't really mean anything, or is it something legit?
And they were saying, look at how much technology advanced
out of a thousand years in just the last fifty
years leading up to the millennium. The speed of computers
and the internet coming out, and just everything was advancing

(46:46):
so much faster than it had in the previous nine
hundred and fifty years relatively, right. And one of the
things that this lady is saying is what if it
was the millennium doing that? Like, what if it wasn't
just us randomly being you know, advancing our technology, And
just what a coincidence that happened to lead right up
until the beginning millennium and maybe like fifty years after.

(47:08):
We're only twenty six or twenty five through the millennium
right now, right, so we saw having our twenty five
to go, But maybe it's the millennium itself that was
causing all that extreme advancement and we're just kind of
still like riding that wave a little bit.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Wow, that's yeah, that's very profound.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I was just thinking there the other day because I
was I had Dean Kane Superman on my show, right,
and it was really weird because that's huge.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Man.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
I grew up, I grew up watching him.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, dude, it's awesome. I mean, he's promoting a new
movie too. And I met him a long time ago,
so I.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Just reached out to him. I'm like, if you ever
want to just come on the show and just let
me know, and and he said, all right, I'll do it.
I have no problem. So he was nice enough to
come on the show.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
But Jesus and Reagan, He's like, come in.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
That's yeah, that's pretty much it. But he that's literally
what happened to. We talked about Jesus and Reagan. We
talked about Nancy Reagan. Yeah, we went to an event
at the Reagan Ibry in California.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
So but yeah, we were talking about and he said
the word hindsight twenty twenty, and it got me thinking, dude,
it was like, twenty twenty was like a marker in
our mind of like, wasn't it like a timeline marker?
Doesn't everybody feel like that? As woman, I can't be
the only one who feels that way, And I just
think like maybe twenty twenty was that big event that
you and I we were talking about earlier, Thomas, where

(48:22):
it was like, you know, maybe that was the big event,
And because since then it feels like something different has happened.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Something different happened in twenty twenty, and then we're moving
forward tow.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
I'd say, yeah, dude, in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, what
could that event? It was like the world changed somehow.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, no, no, I know, but that's what I'm saying.
It was like it was the marker of something that
put it propelled us to something new, something different, is
what I'm saying. Kind of like how y two K?
I mean, I was, you know, hanging out with this
girl in the truck? Why two kay happened? But yeah,
it did feel that way too.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
It felt like from two thousand and one to twenty twenty,
it was it was a period of time that was massive,
fast growth in something, and then now it feels like
we're accelerating at another speed, at another.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Pace from twenty twenty to now with AI and all
this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Twenty twenty was the real twenty twelve. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, so hy too, hey, it's in the back of
your mind.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
IM sorry, don'tut, but yeah, like hindsight twenty twenty, being like,
that's the moment we move forward towards something else.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's a weird It was a weird, profound thing that
I thought about. But go ahead, don't.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I'm sorry, man, No, No, that's wild. The y two K,
the millennia, the whole Internet was gonna just go haywire.
Then you got fricking nine to eleven. Then you got
twenty twelve. No, then you got two thousand and six
before twenty twelve where the banks did collapse and then

(49:51):
balled out, and then twenty twelve and then the lockdowns
and this acceleration going on. You're onto something because we're
at like the quarter of the century. Now what's let's
call it on. I'm a failure, bro. If your battery running,

(50:17):
I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
We got a couple other big checkpoints and milestones up
ahead of us, too, Like right, like within lifetime, there's
going to be the singularity, which is has been predicted
by a few different people to happen. I think in
like twenty twenty nine. So in the next four years,
what is the singularity singularly, there's a million different definitions.

(50:43):
The most simplistic one that I can think of, it's
basically when one computer or basically like the world why
you know cloud computing is collectively smarter than all of humans,
uh collectively, and that when that happens, then essentially we don't.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Run the show anymore.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Is one of the ideas behind that that now the
tools that we've invented are more complex than we are,
and then they can attack patterns before we can detect them.
Long story short, but that seems like it's supposed to
be within our lifetimes.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
That's the next.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Really big, like two thousand style millennia style checkpoint that
we're all going to go through.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Yes, And it's like the twenty thirty has been written
about the world brain, the omega point, the singularity, the
race cursewhile technocracy where a new species, according to novel Haravi,

(51:49):
will be created, and a lot of people are pointing
to this twenty forty in a lot of writings, this
omega point where it's all like connecting to this this
point of singularity where a new breed of human will
be also like created throughout this new Homo Sapien of

(52:15):
technology and man uh to the to the next level
it is. It's wild, like just seeing that you bring
it back to the millennium and just how everything's accelerating.
Even have you heard of the Dark Enlightenment at all?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
No, I have not.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
I've heard this brought up a couple of times. Yeah,
So this is sort of a lot of the philosophies
behind the Silicon Valley, behind the whole like tech movement,
which is interesting because they speak about accelerating capitalism to
the point of failure so they can set up a

(52:57):
monarchy and I'm America, but probably worldwide, and this is
hyper accelerating, like even things like what Kanye is doing.
I believe it's part of the Dark Enlightenment agenda. Just
the pretty much hyper collapse just everything you know kind

(53:24):
of sense.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Well, we kind of talked about that a little bit earlier.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I was saying, how like CEOs are just jumping ship
from their companies and sports teams are being sold left
and right and all this stuff, and it just feels
like they have some sort of advanced knowledge about something.
And I was saying, how they sell They'll sell the
companies and then let.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
It all crash and then they'll come back in and
buy it for pennies. It seems like that's what they
do a lot of new real estate as well.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
See they're just stealing their ideas right there. But the
AI is in the next six months according to Time
magazine where they're speaking of the world coin. Have you
seen this orb that you've got to scan your eyeball
but you'll get forty two dollars of cryptocurrency. So what's

(54:11):
going to happen in this magazine what it's saying through
chat ept, which people are going through psychosis using chat ept,
and then Grock and Elmo are joining the National Socialist
Movement that I think that's also an inner war for

(54:32):
the AI. Who's going to dominate AI? And people are
just like putting out wars. But at the end of
the day, I think that all these AI companies will
just consolidate into the Singularity or something. But over the
next four to five months, there's going to be a

(54:53):
deluge of AI like crazy, like the report that just
came out with Mark Rubio calling people, but it was
an AI calling high level officials. It's gonna be like
next level and we're slowly seeing it happen, or we're
not going to know the difference between reality and fiction

(55:14):
on the computer. So hyguilia dialect, problem reaction solution, the
way to verify that you're a human because nobody's gonna
know what's human or what's not. They even made a
movie called Mountain Head about this kind of happening with
Steve Carell, and the way to verify your digital passport

(55:39):
is to scan your iris code, so you scan your eyeball.
Now you can go back on your dating websites and
whatnot and verify that you're a human. So how much
we've seen things accelerate, we're gonna see this. We don't
know that what's fake and what's real here in the

(56:01):
next four or five months. And I think that this
is the event that is going to reset the Internet
because the WEF and everything saying that the cyber incidences
is gonna be the reset, which it's it's still on
the table for sure, but I think that this is

(56:22):
going to play a huge role in it where we're
not going to know the difference. It's sort of like
you you didn't have to get medicated, but if you
wanted to have a job and you wanted to go
to work and be in society, you'd have to follow
these rules and do certain things. Same thing with the Internet.

(56:45):
You don't need to get your digital passport, but if
you want to go on the Internet, you're gonna have
to verify your IRIS coach, and we already see it
with things like at Homeland Security, for example, when you
go through the airport, you gotta they scan your face
or whatever, and they say you don't have to do it,

(57:07):
you can show us your passport or whatever. But eventually,
like everybody just does it, and then you get like
you know, award in a sense where they're like, you
don't have to take your shoes off anymore. At the
TSA line, we're really fighting the system. It's like, no,
you you never really needed to take your shoes off

(57:30):
because the X rays could see through the shoes, like
they they're the do system they built is much.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
That's but we were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I mean, that's that's pretty much the theme of the
show is like talking about trending topics and culture and
all this other stuff, how things.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Just emerge out of nowhere, and methylene blue is one
of those. This is like, you know, it takes you to.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
For you know, for you know, everybody's gonna have blue
and all this other stuff, and and they're gonna be
looking at you who's not doing the methylene blue.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I don't even know what what it really is or
anything like that. So I'm just kind of saying weird
words here. But they're gonna be looking at you like
why aren't you doing it?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
And you're near the pariah and they're gonna cast you
out of society and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
This is what it feels like now. Like if you, like,
I work from home.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I do web design for a living, everybody thinks that
I'm a stay at home dad, everybody, and like you can't.
You can't tell anybody any different. They're like, yeah, you're
a stay at home dad. I'm like, no, I work
from home. I have a computer, I have an office.
Like I literally I'm on the phone all day. I
literally work from home. But it's a mindset. It's like
a you can't penetrate that mindset because once the collective

(58:41):
kind of comes together and powers it, you know, and
becomes this one singularity, like you talked about this one
hive mind, everything you do is gonna be foreign to them.
Like whenever I go to the dentist and the dentist
is like, oh, you need to we need to gas
your kids.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
To get a you know, to get a cavity filled
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
And like, I didn't get gassed when I was a kid.
I just had to sit there and just deal with it.
Maybe got numbed up with some novacane or whatever it
is that they put in your in your gums, but
I had to just deal with it. And so like
when you turn it down, like I literally said, no,
I don't want the I don't want to spend four
hundred dollars to gas him up.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I think that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
They you would have thought I took a shit on
the desk or something. Everybody's like what, and they're like,
let me go get the manager. And then the manager came,
it's like you got to do it, and I'm like, no,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
And then then she went.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
And got the dentist and the dentist is like you
got to do it, and I was like, no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
And in fact, they went ahead and did the cavities
and he didn't even budge. But the point is is
like five different people were like, you're wrong, You're wrong,
You're wrong, and I'm like, no, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
I'm right.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I'm gonna keep doing this way.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
But it's just interesting how all those things like take
over and all of a sudden we're trending in a
certain direction, and it's kind of scary that the hive
mind can do that very quickly, very easily.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Especially with Novacane. Is one of my favorite experiences. I
just I love stand them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
It's the weirdest feeling where like, I know, my lip
is right here and it's normal size, but it feels huge.
I mean, this is literally body dysmorphia, right, That's what
body dysmorphia is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Oh see, I don't like that part, but I like it.
I like the needle going into my gums. It feels great.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
You're one of those psychopathy you were talking about a while.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
I really enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
It's the only time I feel alive.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
It's good. The community, though, the Commune of Communists and
Society of Socialists, the highs mind, the group think they
are a collective, and it's been studied just how they
behave and they're not thinking individualistically. When one is immersed

(01:00:58):
inside the crowd, and we see this on so many
levels where people join movements like I became a juggalo
in a sense, that is joining a collective where you
lose your individuality when you're in the mob and it

(01:01:20):
becomes this feminine thing that's controlled by the masculine leader.
And we see this at any concert you go to,
where you got the person on stage that tells everyone,
put your lighter in the sky, and that everybody, without
like a hesitation, just puts their lighter. This guy puts

(01:01:41):
their cell phone in the sky, or throw your hands
like you don't get everybody just does it. Once in
a while, you'll see a masculine person if they're not intoxicated,
where they just don't know what's going on and just
looking at them. And I'm I'm not saying that that's

(01:02:02):
a good thing or a bad like a bad thing
that you need to withdraw from society completely. That's like
an extreme, but usually what people even withdraw from society,
they are withdrawing with a group. They're not like going
alone into the cabin. They're they're like, let's get a

(01:02:24):
group and live on a commune. You know it is.
It's not that's and we're fighting the system. It's ridiculous,
but it's very interesting the crowd psychology, which I know
Thomas knows a lot about, but just studying the different
feminine masculine energies of the crowd and the biggest minority, uh,

(01:02:50):
the individual, because once you go against the group, they're
gonna Frankenstein monster you and show up if you think
differently than a Twitter post, if you have a different
belief system. And we could see this high group mind
thinking through Twitter is one of the craziest social experiments

(01:03:16):
that's ever existed, said to me, because I'm very immersed
in it, and it's altering my behavior in moods, which
is altering everyone else's. Like I'll listen to different podcasts

(01:03:36):
and there would be this woman who's like really upset
because everything she's getting is like Andrew Tape material, anti
woman material, so it's like, you know, making her mad.
I don't get any of any of that. All I
get is anti Semitic stuff, and like I'm Jewish, so
I'll get freaking pissed off in it pisses me off.

(01:03:58):
But if you were black, you're gett it like the fatigue,
like racist stuff all all the time in your in
your thing or if you are at isematic, you're probably
getting like pro Israel stuff. So everyone's just freaking pissed
off and we're we're all being we're all being manipulated

(01:04:21):
in a sense. But how can you tell that you're
being manipulated if you are under like the chat chipet
psychosis and also under the influence of who knows what
you know? I was learning about the scenes and like

(01:04:42):
different cults from back in the day, and the different
drugs that the mystery cults would also take. That like
they're all like hippies screwed up on these drugs and like,
you know, like it, it's crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I think you're one hundred percent right about that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
We have this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Uh, once you like separate yourself and you're watching this,
you're watching all these people like that are in cults,
no matter what the cult is. It could be a
cult of anything. You're like, what you know? That's the
hardest part about waking up. That's why I started my
show to talk about this, to talk about waking up
and what happens when you wake up, Because when you

(01:05:29):
first wake up, you look around and you go, what
is every why is everybody doing that? And then it's
like that those are you know, I learned it, I would,
i'd see it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I still see it at church when I go to church,
you could still see some of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
And it's like, man, this is this is you know,
anybody can be guided in any direction when you're in
that hive mind.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
And that's really interesting that you talked about it how
like it's an energy, like a feminine energy and there's
a masculine figure that GUIDs that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Because I think that's true. I think you're one hundred
percent right about that. And I never thought of it
like that because I feel like I'm a masculine person,
like I have a masculine energy, and I think that
whenever I meet another person that has masculine energy, we
don't get along well, you know what I mean, because
it's almost like you're you know, you do have to

(01:06:16):
kind of be the alpha male in a way that
guides that energy, that female type of energy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I don't know that feminine energy not female. I guess
you could say just the feminine energy. So you can
see that happening. It can be a very charis you
could be a very charismatic masculine person. I guess you
could say, and lead person lead people in a wrong direction,
and you can also lead them in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
The right direction if you're a very charismanic person. So
masculine energy person and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
The masculine and feminine. It's not like a male and female,
which people get the terms wrong, like everybody's got both
masculine and feminine. But there is this polarity for sure,
and I guess it does sort of maybe work like
a mag where you put the magnet in the two positives,

(01:07:03):
like we'll push it like away something like that. I
don't know how magot's worth, how how the magots worth,
you know, but that's such an interesting thing to see
on stage because you see it. I've studied it more
so with concerts and people performing in concerts. And the

(01:07:24):
masculine is all about action and the feminine is more
about receiving. And you can see this with electricity plugs,
like the masculine chord is like going inside of the
feminine to give it like the energy and even the

(01:07:45):
like act of creating human life. It's like the same
where the masculine pumps out the goo and the feminine receive.
The feminine receives the goo and then gets filled up

(01:08:06):
and then her belly gets filled up, and then the
house gets filled up, and then there's trinkets all over
the house. And the masculine just wants to like leave
and be free, like be emptied out. So the masculine
always wants to just be free. So seeing the two collide,

(01:08:27):
the two alpha miles figure because they want freedom. That's
like the masculine thing. It's to be emptied out. That's
why guys are like known for like storming out of
the house and just going on a drive, you know,
because they just want want want that freedom. But if
you do do that in your masculine, I read men

(01:08:50):
are from Mars, women are from Venus that you always
gotta tell the feminine, but that you'll be back. You know,
I'm gonna be back. I just need to go for
k because sometimes people just leave and they don't communicate
what they're doing, and then that's going to cause problems.
According to the meta from Mars, when are from Venus,
which is such a h I'm surprised they didn't get canceled.

(01:09:16):
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Like that
would be canceled today. That title, I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Don't know, there's enough sort of horoscopiness new aginus to
it that it could survive. And speaking of being canceled,
let me just remind you and all the listeners that
it is twenty twenty five, so men can get pregnant too,
Let's not be ignorant about this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Yeah, that's from Mars. Women are from Venus. And then
like we got to add on to that. That could
be a good Like that's a low hanging fruit right
there where we could just be like, and they are
from and you're from Rainus.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
You know, talking about impregnating and stuff like that. Man,
I wanted I wanted to talk to you guys about Illuminati,
stallions and dolphins and stuff like that. We're talking about
stallions in a way, and we're talking about dolphins, and
I was I'm very interested in the idea that you are.
It's illegal to have a baby in the presence of

(01:10:21):
a dolphin, Like, why is that a law? And have
you guys ever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Looked into that or have you ever seen any videos
or anything like that or heard any conspiracies about that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Tom That role is not in my Bible. Yeah, I see,
I have to show me where that says that in
the Bible. That's all I want to say.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Yeah, that's all. That's all propaganda. So people want to
have babies with dolphins, you actually want babies with crocodiles
and alligators because you want that kid to be tough.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
It's a gateway drug to alligators and crocodiles, that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
And I'm just joking. I'll do that, but.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
No, So it's it's it's illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
It's illegal for a baby, a human baby to be
born around a dolphin because it will allegedly become psychic
or a genius.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
So dolphin assisted birds, that's a that's the thing for sure.
Dolphins or mammals like us, and they're highly intelligent. They
can be weaponized, but I don't even know if they're weaponized.
I think they're just working with humans. You could see
this with a lot of imprinting with whether that's a

(01:11:33):
cat or a goose or anything that you can raise
like a wolf with the dogs and then there thinks
it's like a dog, you know, so this imprinting process.
But dolphins are great. Uh, they're a little forceful in
a lot of ways. So if you're swimming with the dolphins,

(01:11:55):
which I got to swim with the dolphins before, they
don't want you to touch the dolphins because the dolphins
could get aroused by that and start having their their
way with you. But I did touch the dolphin, and
the dolphin like it. Nothing happened, total conset. I felt
like I was like, they're with it. But dolphin information

(01:12:17):
is so awesome just studying John C. Lilly's work. Who
is this like pre mk ultra figure that was at
Esslin Institute. This is like one of those think tanks
for changing the culture in Big Sur, California. I even

(01:12:39):
I heard that Charles Manson went there right before he
did his ritualistic mind control. The slang of the victims
with the Tates, the Sharon Tates and the Roman Polanski's
on all that that was such a strange story. But
the dolphin research their brains are heavier and bigger than

(01:13:04):
a human brain. So are they more intelligent in some
ways than a human is because of their brain size?
Whether that is spiritually, I don't know. The well brain
is even more massive than a dolphin brain. So what

(01:13:27):
type of religious spirituality do the whales have? Is questions
that is brought up in these books like John C.
Lilly books, Because why the Well knows not to attack
a ship when it like the whale can easily just
knock a ship over, you know, like like a smaller

(01:13:49):
ship or a boat or something, but it doesn't doesn't know,
like yo, this thing has like harpoons and stuff on board,
like is it aware that? And the research they wanted
to look at the dolphins because their brains are so

(01:14:10):
similar to the human brain, even though it's a little
bit bigger, but it's the same. It looks just like
a Mars attacks brain. And in that movie Mars attacks
the aliens. They're smarter, but in their own way, like
where they can like speak to each other and read
thoughts or whatever. So the studies that were funded by

(01:14:33):
the government, according to John C. Lilly, was so they
can communicate with the dolphins, So the dolphins would communicate
with the whales and communicate with the aliens and atlantis
in the ocean. So there's just a lot of fun stuff.
And then this dolphin imagery it goes back to the
most ancient power structures ever. It's on the coinage, it's

(01:14:59):
on the sim of the ancient past of power.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
So do you think that the dolphins themselves are some
form of Atlantean civilization or do you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Think that they are just like they know the secrets
of the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Ancient past and they they if we interact with them
too much, they might telepathically communicate with us. By the way,
for those who normally listen to this show, I know
this is like out there. I love this kind of
stuff because it's super fascinating to me because we wouldn't
have laws against a lot of this stuff if it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
I love your T shirt. I just saw your T shirt.
You got a dolphin on the T shirt, right, I
got paranoid.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
This ties back in too, because one of the other
projects John C. Lily was working on is what inspired
the Echo the Dolphin game for Sega Genesis. You must
remember Echo the Dolphin and Echo stood for Earth Coincidence
Control Officer SO, and the whole premise was that you

(01:16:06):
had this echo that was fighting AI and in his case,
I think they call it solid state intelligence SSI. So
you have echo, which are these terrestrial or I guess
in the dolphins case, like marine, but like an organic
form of intelligence that is forever battling this inorganic form

(01:16:29):
of intelligence which was solid state intelligence. So the Dolphins
have at least in conspiracy law An mk Ultra and
Cia and John C. Lilly lore. But dolphins represent the
fight against AI and the coming singularity.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Maybe that's why isn't isn't there a dolphin on SpongeBob
as well? That's kind of doing the same thing, like
a like a dolphin alien type of creature.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
That kind of yeah, no, no, no no. I think
in the there was like a SpongeBob dolphin.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Another thing I learned and a little off topic, but
with fighting the AI, I'm studying the show The Office
right now to see if it's a criminal organization at
dunder Mifflin Paper Company and Dwight Shrewds in the show,
he's scared of the AI takeover. He's scared of the

(01:17:24):
robot rebellion. He's hyper vigilant when it comes to anything
with technology and the takeover of like a computer robot
AI terminator. And in real life, his dad wrote a
book about AI takeover and it was like a novel

(01:17:48):
and his name was Robert Wilson, which is just like
Robert Anton Wilson, who really brought a lot of the
dolphin information there first. But I thought that was that
was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Maybe I'm the only one who thinks it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
But I'm looking up something real quick because I want
to know who did the.

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
Voice Tales or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
This book.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Well, and Rain Wilson has like you know, he's very
very spiritual. He's got a podcast called soul Boom.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Yeah. He comes from a religious sect of like bo
Is or something like that, which I think like mixes
all the different religions together in a in a sense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
So is I read this, uh this conspiracy that there's
a thing called Project Seagate that the CIA is working
to create like human dolphin hybrids.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Is there any validity to that? According to John C.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Lilly's studies, Oh wow, Uh, not that I know, Uh,
but that seems to be something going on though with computers,
right they I there have a computer that is operated
and powered by the human brain. So they got all
these little particles of all these different people's brains and

(01:19:19):
they award it and punish the brain like, and it
can play pong and like and it learns on its own.
So like this computer is being powered by human brains
in the sense. So I feel like a lot of
that the hybrid, Like I mean, people get like surgery

(01:19:44):
and they put like different animal like parts into them
and stuff. But I think that the computer stuff is
kind of like a hybrid too, right in a sense.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
I think we've also proven that there's really no limit
to what medical and military is willing to do. Like,
it wasn't that long ago that they were just cutting
people open and putting shards of glass and sewing them
back up and just saying, I wonder what happens when
we do this, and then taking you know, furious notes,
And then in like the fifties and sixties they were

(01:20:18):
doing the equivalent of that. But mentally it was like
where Ted Kazinski came from, right, it was the equivalent
of opening up your psyche and putting glass shards in
there and sewing it back up and then just being like,
what happens when we do this to someone? They turned
into like a unibomber. So I think ethically and morally
nothing's off the table. We've proven that over and the

(01:20:39):
Tuskegee experiments where they were just injecting people with what
was like syphilis and just letting them live their lives
and deteriorating from syphilis and getting like syphialatic brain disease
and stuff. But so there's no historical reason that you
would discount the government from doing the most obscene experiments possible.

(01:21:00):
So then the only question left is do they have
the technology and the resources, And I think the answer
is yes to both of those. So if the military
got to bug up their ass to make a dolphin
human hybrid, there's really nothing that would stop them from
doing that. So because of that, I guess I'm the
the perpetual skeptic, But I would just assume that yes,

(01:21:21):
they have either tried it and it didn't work, or
they tried it and it did work and it just
they they put a little green check on that folder
instead of a little red X.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Well, they allegedly are very like psychic and you know,
obviously they use echolocation and all that stuff so they
can since minds and all this stuff, so that since
the Cold War they've been using you know, Russia and
the United States have been using dolphins to you know,
do all that stuff to detect stuff, to you know, anti.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Mind and all this other stuff. But you know a
lot of people think that, like I said, that they
had there's a major spiritual essence to them, that they
higher consciousness, that they like spiritual guides for the awakened,
and stuff like that. So that's again, that was why
I wanted to talk about that. All of this was
because of those kinds of conversations. It's like, if we're
being kept away, but now they'll cite like, you know,

(01:22:13):
safety reasons for us, and you don't want to get
raped by the dolphin and all this stuff like that,
and you don't want to cause harm to the dolphin
as well, and all this. I get that, but there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Few things can be true at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yeah, yeah, a few things can be true for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Like they'll make you psychic, but they might also rape you,
and it's just one of the trade offs. You have
to be willing, like your baby will be psychic, but
you'll also get raped by a dolphin.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Right, Well, there's so that the animal studies of the
Illuminati animals, there's so much symbolism when it comes to owls,
like the Bohemian Grove or the Illuminati all got the
owl symbolism. Francis fake and so like this goes all
so far back, these different symbols of different animals and

(01:22:59):
the doll thin is one TANet I believe has dolphins
on some of her statues and the horses, the stallions.
The horse is like super symbolic in all cultures for power,
Napoleon reading the horse, Caligula making the horse a senator.

(01:23:24):
And the first one of the first paintings that we
could like dig up is the Done Horse, which is
a horse, you know. So on the cave walls and stuff,
and penguins penguins, they were doing these experiments cutting out
the pineal glands of the penguins, and each of these

(01:23:47):
animals they sort of have something different to them, Like
penguins are vicious. They're like, push the one of the
penguins into the ocean to see if it will get eaten,
and they're like, okay, it's safe. You know, like they'll
do like crazy stuff. But then we'll get the like
the Planet movies that make a book all like nice

(01:24:09):
and stuff, but they're like they're like vicious, but they
are cute though.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Paments so so that that John c.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Lily that the study didn't he study with like you
were saying LSD and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Oh he loved that. Yeah, so they the Yeah, they
definitely they were given the dolphins drugs too. Yeah, what was?
What was?

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Do you have.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Friends with Timothy Larry? I think the Timothy Larry connection
is more so important than the John C. Lily when
it comes to the the asset and stuff, because, uh,
this is the head of Harvard psych department really shaping
culture into chaos, right into turning mankind into animals rolling

(01:25:06):
around in the mud on these different like drug sex
and rock and roll. And then now the Harvard head
of the psych department is Jordan Peterson, who's bringing more
control out of the chaos to society. So now everyone

(01:25:26):
is going to go to the religion institutions and then
they're going to make their bed and then you know,
so it feels like, uh, these are two different test studies.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Do you think that they were doing studies like that
to try to see if they could communicate telepathically with each.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Other with the what So that's what they were doing
John C. Lilly in the the isolation tank where you
go into like darkness, and he did communicate with them.
He communicated them even through just his intentions because when
he intended on ending the dolphin experiment and he's like,

(01:26:12):
I can't do this anymore, we're keeping we gotta let
these dolphins free. The dolphins committed, they killed themselves because
he ended it. Really, yeah, he was communicating with them
through the mind, but maybe it wasn't his intention. Maybe

(01:26:33):
he's so egotistical and narcissistic on drugs that he thought
he was communicating with them, but really they just like
all the handies they were getting in drugs and stuff,
and then that's why they ended.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
He had another psychedelic role in all this too, because
aside from the dolphin stuff, he's the one that made
isolation tanks popular, Like Joe Rogan wouldn't be talking about
isolation tanks if it weren't for Joe C.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Lily.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
And one of the things that John C. Lily was
doing was lots of LSD, lots of DMT, lots of
isolation tank. And they would put him into the isolation
tank and they would just keep him dosed on a
constant level of I think it was DMT because it
was the most controllable.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
It would keep.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
Him supplied with a steady level of DMT in his
system so that he could basically enter a completely different
world and then he would sober up just long enough
to come out and relay the information that he thought
he was getting from this other dimension to other people
on his team, and then he would go right back
into the isolation tank and start tripping again. So he

(01:27:41):
truly was one of the original psychonauts, and that he
was going out and exploring and coming back and bringing
back information. And some of that made its way out
through his books and his research, but I got a
feeling that a majority of that stuff is probably kept
under lock and key somewhere, Like he was probably doing
some eleven stuff like Stranger Things.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Style, right, So that's what a psychonad is, is like
they go into like the astral realm or something and they.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
I think, so, yeah, a psychonad is someone that used
psychedelics as a way to go on adventures and try
and bring information back or at least just keep pushing
the boundaries more so than just someone that has a
drug addiction or a party problem. Like you can be both.
You can be a psychonaut with a drug addiction, but
tend to have like a mission that they're going on,

(01:28:31):
like they're doing that drug for a reason, not just
because it's Saturday night and there's nothing else going on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
That's the denial is not a river in.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Egypt, right, But if there were a chance that you
could enter or not you, but someone else could enter
another realm and bring back information, if there was even
a point in zero zero zero zero one chance, aren't
you glad that lead someone is out there doing that
so they can bring that information back.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
I don't know, it depends on what that world is.
Their accessing are the accessing like.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
A it's a demon?

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Yeah, it's all just demon you know. You know all
these mushroom peddlers of the last like five years, like
hardcore where they're like pushing take this. Do Joe Rugan's
like everybody needs to do this. You gotta do this,
you gotta you gotta take these different psychedelics, you gotta
do it. I kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Agree with that. I feel that senior year of high school,
one of those classes it should just be called doing
mushrooms and everyone has to pass that class.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Well, So, through the last five years, has anybody that
is like promoting like doing these psychedelics, has their life
gotten any better? Have they like grown spiritually at all? Like?
Is there any fruits to their labor of this?

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Have you seen that personally, I'd say me, personally, I
have that experience.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Well, but you're you're you're awesome though, like you're like that.
We're not talking about like a one case. I'd say,
like for like the majority of society that's like following,
like the crowd following them, Like I don't see it,
Like I even think that the whole the Beatles where
they were pushing like you you take these drugs and

(01:30:31):
then you're super creative and you come up with Yellow Submarine?
Did did Beatles make Yellow Submarine? Like? Did they draw
those beautiful paintings? And did they like do all that artwork?
They were just like the poster boys for it. There's
a team behind them that was doing all that. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
I have a friend who who started a mushroom church.
There's only two of them in South Carolina, and I
grew up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
You got to be careful of that guy. Bro where
he started. Bro, That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to him about because I
do want to. I am interested in learning about it.
I don't care to join it, obviously, I don't. I
don't join ship. I don't care about anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
But uh, I am interested because it's like literally like
a couple of blocks away from where I grew up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
It's right around the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
And the Timothy Larry stuff, Uh, the jarn C. Lilly stuff,
and uh, the Robert Anton Wilson book Prometheus Rising. They
go into the use for these drugs is to reset
the autonomic nervous system, to reset the belief system. So

(01:31:45):
back in the day, you'd have a shaman or reflect
you are like an individual, like paranoid, and then you know, like,
but you'd probably be fine. But I'm talking about like
a collective. They can give you these drips of these
different mind altering chemicals or plants or whatever, and they

(01:32:08):
could change your belief system through through that, So you
gotta be careful with that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
I had Danny Goehler on my show, who he's the
guy who did the d MT laser experiment where you
could see code in the laser when you get high
on DMT on if you guys have ever heard of
him that, Yeah, he was on my show and he
and I he said he did a bunch of DMT.
He had to take like fifty hits to get because

(01:32:38):
he was He's I guess you could say he's like
a psychic nine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
He would keep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Going to the d MT rum and and he kept
asking these things, these entities he would run into, like
like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
About reality and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Are we living in the simulation and all this stuff,
and they never answering. They would answer him about everything
else but except for that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
And then one day he.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Did like fifty hits and he's like, I'm going to
go get these answers now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
So he got super high on DMT. I guess you
could say, I don't know, I've never done it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Where he goes into this realm and this like mask
drops over his face and they finally are like, okay,
let's show him. And then they showed him, and they
were basically showing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Him how reality worked and how like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
He said that you could see like street cars and
streets and stuff like that on a conveyor belt and
it would just flip over and then a conveyor belt
would be like of cars would be on the street
all of a sudden. So he was saying that basically
they answered his question, but like, yeah, you're living in
a simulation, you know. But we had to get approval
for all this to let you know that you're living

(01:33:40):
in a simulation.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
And he said, at first it was like a gut punch,
because you know, he he was like, oh, then everything's
a lie. But then he realized it was like to him,
it was like another layer of spirituality almost, so some
people do have I guess, spiritual experiences, profound spiritual experiences
from that kind of stuff. I'm very leery of all
of that. I would I'm you know, I don't do drugs.

(01:34:05):
I don't think I ever will. But it's very interesting
to me. I am curious as to what's going on
over there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
But I kind of look at it as like the
forbidden fruit, you know what I mean, from the garden
of eating the forbidden fruit of the good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
I was nineteen and I was doing anything. I was
called a dumpster. It was a trash can. Anything I
could give my hands on that I would do, whippets
and all kinds of stuff. I never did that, but okay,
that scared me. But like because I saw my friends

(01:34:38):
do it and with it. Right now, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Oh my god, dude, No, I see people in the
military die from that. Like I was a photographer in
the Air Force, like I said, dude, And in Iraq
people were getting high off.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Of that and they were dying. So I'd have to
go take pictures of it and stuff like because I
was the photographer.

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
Don't you tell me I got the thing?

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Do it tomorrow? Do it tomorrow. Well, so my first off,
I have a different Uh something happens to me differently
than the average person when it comes to mine altering chemicals,
where I actually get like obsessed with it and it

(01:35:25):
ruins my life. But other people they're able to have
like a drink on the weekend or something like that. Me,
I'll lose a decade of my life if I'm lucky,
and it's dangerous. So my psyche or my soul just
is affected differently. And when I was nineteen, I was

(01:35:49):
doing everything I could get my hands on, and then
I I did like an eighth of some golden caps
or something like that, and I had a bad trip.
But it was so freaking scary for a lot of
reasons I can't say on camera, but it was like

(01:36:11):
my life wasn't going that good, you know, and it
freaked me out to the point where like it was
spiritual in a sense where that was the day that like,
I gave up everything except for weed and alcohol because
I didn't think those were mind altering chemicals because they're

(01:36:31):
so accepted in society. So then I just did that
for another like decade or so, little shy of that,
but uh yeah, just to give some some like background
on where I'm also coming from. When I'm looking at this,
if someone's listening and they're like, what the fuck what

(01:36:52):
you talking.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
I'm completely you got to completely opposite, dude, I've never
done any of it, So it's like, except for.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
You're okay.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
I smoked cigarettes, not not we asked. We smoked Newports
and Marvel Reds, like we talked about earlier, me and Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
But uh yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
Get the first time that a kid smokes a whole
bunch of cigarettes, you're getting high off of that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:37:17):
And that's hycosamine, which I would argue was no different
than consuming any other psychedelic because just that that one
is regulated and commercialized.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
In an acceptable way.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I'm also one of those extremists that that truly deep
down believes that the core of pretty much every religion
they were just doing mushrooms. Jesus was a mushroom when
the Holy Grail was a mushroom and the Pope's a
mushroom all the way down.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
The Brian Mere Risk of whatever it is called book
what is it called?

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
The big one is John Olegro's Sacred Mushroom in the Cross,
But there's a million different ones too. There's the Pharmacratic
Inquisition by Jan Irvin.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
There's a whole bunch of them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Yeah, I've heard it talked about on a Rogan show before.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
But yeah, I'm just I'm just a little cautious about
all that stuff because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
I mean, we're here. We're pretty special.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I mean, we're alive, and there's a reason why we're
here for some reason, and there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Lot that's the reason you're missing out on it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I think we're here to have experiences, for sure, but
I do feel like, you know, maybe we shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Maybe we shouldn't go into some of those waters.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Like we're here to experience energy exchanges like kisses and
sex and things like that, but I don't know that
we're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Like I said, maybe it's the the forbidden fruit from
the tree of knowledge of good and evil, like the
Garden of Eden, Right, it's like maybe we shouldn't do
that because you don't want to you can't have that information.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Why, it's like cheating while you're taking a test, you
know what I mean, Like if this is a test.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Maybe, although one of the wrenches in that is that
there are some people that are born with like actual
deficiencies to where they are tripping all the time. For example,
like like some people have an adverse reaction of full
of acid. So if you eat an apple, there's people
on the planet they eat an apple and they basically
have an LSD similar hallucinogenic trip. And the only way

(01:39:10):
to counter that, I believe this was found by this guy,
doctor Abram Hoffer, is that you give them nyasin, I believe,
and nysin balances out this weird reaction to follic acid.
But that I mean that should at least mean that
if that kid isn't going to Hell or unlocking a
demon realm just because he ate a freaking apple. And
you were talking about like the the forbidden fruit, maybe

(01:39:31):
apple is the bad example here, maybe like for him
it really maybe the original apple was because Adam and
Eve had full of acid deficiencies or something. But it
just goes to show that some people can enter that
state without even opting into it, so it doesn't seem
like it's it's off limits at least, or that's the
justification from a drug addict.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Yeah, I mean when you drink Whenever I drink alcohol,
I can like purposely get drunk or not.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
I don't know if you guys can do.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
That or not.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
It sounds like some functional alcoholic talk right there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
No, but what I'm saying I got my mind to it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
No, But I just mean it's like it's like a
state of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
It's not really the alcohol itself is making me drunk.
It's the state of mind that you want to be in,
you know. And so like maybe the forbidden fruit type
of stuff is a state of mind thing. Maybe each
drug depends on your state of mind, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
I like to be responsible where I could respond, and
then when you're on different stuff like alcohol or whatever,
you can't shake it, even though people say they can
or whatnot. I'd just rather not, you know. I'd rather
be able to respond to something going on and whatever.

(01:40:50):
And also the drug that's really crazy is called reality,
where it's just not and where am I where am
I at? And I think that I.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Don't recommend that drug. I think you should get that
drug immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
That's the that's the crazy one right there. I don't think. Yeah,
I think that a lot of people, including myself. I
shouldn't say people. I should just talk about myself. But
reality evading.

Speaker 6 (01:41:23):
It and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Adding like this cocktail with it. It's like I'm always
I'm always like running from what's going on within. But yeah,
reality is crazy. And also yeah, I don't know, I'm
sorry if I'm talking about sobriety. I just.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Now are you Are you sober? I mean that is
are you fighting battling sobriety or something? Is that what
it is?

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Well, I'm not fighting, because that's the thing is to
be sober. You can't fight. That's something like you don't
got the luxury for So you'll see energetically, alcohol and
alcoholics they're always fighting. They're always angry because they're angry, resentful,

(01:42:18):
and scared. So they mask that pain where it's stored
in the liver. So the ancient Chinese medicine, they have
all the different emotions where the emotions are stored, and
alcohol goes straight to the liver and that's why people

(01:42:38):
drink is because of refeeling anger all the time, and
to be sober. You can't be like, you can't always
be fighting and resentful. It's energetically different, so you have
to And that doesn't mean that if somebody's a bully

(01:43:01):
not to knock them out. That's like, that's where people
get this whole thing all mixed up. It's more like
energetic and surrendering that fight to a higher power, to God.
But that doesn't mean that you still don't take action.

(01:43:21):
So like forgiveness, for example, people mix forgiveness and with
weakness when it's completely the opposite. It doesn't mean that
you're a doormat to forgive someone that's evil. Right, Forgiveness
is an internal thing where you forgive them and they

(01:43:48):
do the Lord's prayer, right, the Lord's prayers forgive us
the trespasses want them to forgive that. That's like a
huge thing to make you more light. And then once
once I'm like able to not hold anger towards everybody
that has screwed me over, I'm able to be a

(01:44:11):
service again and make better decisions. Not always though, of
course we all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Battled things, man, I mean I got red Bull addictions
and all kind of crazy stuff. I used to Like
I said, I used to smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
So as a matter of fact, I was just with
my father in law this weekend at the beach and
he started smoking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
I was like, oh, dude, I would love to have
a cigarette right now, and I said, give me one
of those. And I was just kid with my wife.
Because my wife she's never seen me smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
She would freak out. But I told him the same thing.
I'm like, dude, I would get super high if.

Speaker 8 (01:44:44):
I'm a cigarette right now, if I did any kind
of dip or anything like that, I'd get super high
off of it because I remember those feelings that you
used to like after basic training, right when when the
basic training is like that first cigarette after basic training was.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
Yeah, you felt you immediately throw up a your life.
I love the what a great feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
But you know, I battled that as well, man, and
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
I I'm actually glad I stopped because I started getting this.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
This was when I was in Turkey. I started getting
this like white plaque on my tongue that was that's
called luka plakia, and the the e T basically had
to cut it out of my tongue and I was like, yep,
I'm fucking I'm not losing my tongue over cigarettes. So
like I stopped smoking, man.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
And I've never heard people getting them from cigarettes really.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Well, it's from dip typically, you know, from irritation from
dip on your inn you know, like your gums and
stuff like that. But for some reason I was getting
it on my tongue, which was really interesting. So but yeah,
you know, everybody battles something, man, it's uh, we all
have our demons that we're trying to fight out. I
think it's part of the journey though, you know, part
of the journey of the experience in this reality.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
And you know this is it's a good thing too
because for those people that are fighting the demons, uh,
like in addiction and they get out of that, they're
hyper sensitive to doing the right thing. So they could

(01:46:09):
be on that narrow path, so they're even more spiritual
in a lot of ways because they're more conscious and
sensitive of oh I can't do this because this is
this behavior is gonna like really screw me up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Yeah, well, I guess I'll let you guys wrap it
up here soon. Man, I know I've been kept kept
joining for those two hours, and now every time I
get over an hour, I start feeling guilty. I'm like,
I know, people got better things to do than sit
on here and talk with me about just random things.
So but I just want to tell you guys too, man,
thank y' all very much for always being very receptive

(01:46:51):
and welcome of me every time I've been around. I've
been around yea twice now at bro Grove one and two,
and every time I am and you guys, you guys
have been awesome. So I really appreciate you. I appreciate
your friendship, and I definitely appreciate your presence on this show.
I mean, like, like I was telling Thomas, you guys
got way bigger you know, influence online and things like

(01:47:12):
that than I do. So coming on my show is
a big help to me.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
So thank you guys very much for that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
Yeah, we have many mahogany bookshelves and leather bound books
behind us, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
You, filled with Illuminati animals, coloring books, and that's right,
all these other different things.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
What are y'all working on? What kind of projects are
y'all working on? Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
I'm working on the Office documentary right now. It should
be released next month. Uh, it's going over the occult
secrets of the Office, the TV show.

Speaker 9 (01:47:47):
That sounds yeah, go ahead, Thomas.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Oh well, Jon'tan and I wrapped up Man like six
months ago now the Illuminati, and I just finally put
it up on the Paranoid American dot com store. So
if you missed out on the Kickstarter, which was not
just the most successful Paranoid American Kickstarter, but one of
the most successful kickstarters on Kickstarter like all year. It

(01:48:18):
raised over sixty grand. We presold over five thousand copies,
which in the world of indie comic books is unheard of.
And so that one you can go to Illuminati Coomic
dot com and grab a copy. And I've got a
few others that I've been working on for just as
long as Illuminati Coomic in that sane chick track style format.

(01:48:39):
Which of these little three by five inch comics, Hey,
you got one right there. So I got one on
the Titanic at Titaniccomic dot com. I got one on
the Satanic Panic at Satanicpaniccomic dot com. You're gonna notice
like a trend with all these there's one on Bigfoot
which I couldn't get Bigfoot Comic dot com. Someone else

(01:48:59):
had it, but it's a does Bigfoot Exist dot com?
And I've also been working on one that's not quite
complete yet. The artwork is in the process. That is,
it's very ambitious. It's going to aim to teach you
about Kabbala, about Kubrick, about synchro mysticism, and about something

(01:49:20):
called the Golden Bough by Frasier, which was this guy
that broke down the syncretism through all these different world
religions and the common motifs, and it was something that
Stanley Kubrick thought was the most important thing ever and
he try to include it in all his movies. So
we got a little comic pamphlet that's going to try
and break all that down.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Plus Camatria Wow, and Thomasley. He's incredible, Like he's able
to when we were doing the comic works through my
neurotic panic attacks that I'd have on the bailey and
what like a like sis a solid dude and a
bill like he just creates and he works and he

(01:50:02):
uh yeah, an noble man over there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
He's get I was telling him. He's very interesting. He's
got a done all kind of crazy things, man, from
working with Wu Tang, the Disney and all kind of
different stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
It's a like I have a lot of crazy things.
Like whenever, whenever I talk to people when I tell stories,
they're like, there's no way you could have done all.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
That, And then I hear his stories, I'm like, Jesus,
he've done a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Well, it's so I don't know, man, It's such a
cool thing because I never was like part of sports,
so being part of teams, uh was always something I
wanted to do because of the loneliness and I just
didn't understand it. And also trying to learn about leadership.
And I got a job working for a YouTube channel

(01:50:49):
called a MTV and the owner he was into sports,
so he understood leadership on a sports level. So working
with him, he was able to Like I worked for
him for a decade, and that's not easy to do

(01:51:09):
if you're working with like creative individuals. They're egotistical, they're narcissists,
they're they're all self centered, and to maneuver or around
that is not at the skill. That's a skill. That's
why like a lot of these hip hop people got

(01:51:30):
managers and stuff like that, because the artist is is
like in La La Land in a lot of ways,
which is a bad thing and a good thing because
sometimes they make some crazy dope art too. So it's
an experience, an experience that it was awesome, uh, working

(01:51:53):
with Thomas with Paranoid American on the comic because it
was such a learning experience from creating it, promoting it,
marketing it, and executing it to the to the very end,
to the delivering thing and Paranoid American and he just yeah,

(01:52:14):
very like I was just so blown away by his
I don't even know the word for it, diligence of
just getting the mission done and and being hyper focused
on on that mission was very cool. And then like
you you know, uh, one I had like a like

(01:52:37):
a panic attack durn it because I was talking crap.

Speaker 5 (01:52:42):
On start up drama Online, started.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Starting drama Online, and uh, I got blasted on one
of the biggest like anti Jewish boards, and then I
had somebody make a a hit piece video on me
full of lie saying that I'm I'm doing all these things,
which the guy could get totally sued for. Uh, because

(01:53:09):
you just make up all these lights and posted on
his thing as well as I was freaking out by
how to be a man and like show up still
even though I didn't want to. I just wanted to
run away. But it's like and like these uh, these challenges,
once you face reality and look at the fear and

(01:53:32):
get through it, it's all in our freaking head. It's like,
or my head, it's all in my head that it's
not scary at all. It's just that I make it
scarier than it really is.

Speaker 5 (01:53:47):
Remember here, don't was like I pissed off so and
so this is crazy this you know, this guy's got
this huge and I remember I was just thinking, like
I've never even heard of that person before.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
I get it little needs.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Sure, it's a big deal. But like to the ninety
nine point nine percent repeating of everyone else out there,
they're like, who okay, yeah whatever, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Look at you guys are super creative man, And to
be honest with you, I look at stuff when like
when I when I go to Paranoid American dot com
or or Donut dot com, I literally get a little
bit of an anxiety of atteck because I'm like, this
is a lot of work, This is a lot like
I'll watch Yells Yells YouTube, like like I watched uh
don'nut to watch your channel today and I was just thinking,

(01:54:31):
like how much work goes into everything? Every thumbnail, every video,
all this stuff is so much work, And I get
kind of anxious about it, to be honest with you,
because like I'll just recording episodes and then trying to
put the episode out on audios.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
There's a lot of work to me. And then I
see people with like all these things going on, I'm like,
how do you manage it?

Speaker 10 (01:54:51):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
How do you manage paranoid American dot Com?

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
I got one mantra that I always fall back to
where I got two the first ones like if it's
worth doing, then it's worth doing.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
It's kind of like an obvious one everyone's heard. But
the other one that that helps me push along is
what's the best like, for example, comic book, what's the
best comic book that I could make? It's the one
that I actually do make. And what's the best song
I could write? It's the one that I actually do right,
And it's not the one that is forever going to
be this ideal that I keep trying to chip away

(01:55:21):
and make the absolute perfect one, Like I'm not going
to be Stanley Kubrick where I get to take seven
years to make the perfect movie and spend all this
time on it. So you know, what's the best blog post,
what's the best podcast episode that you that you can record,
the one that you actually do record, And that's always
going to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
That's very true. And working with what you have too.
I heard Kevin Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
Say that, you know the guy who did Clerks and Dogma,
I heard and say, just use what you got around
it and just go with it and just see what happens,
you know, And that's kind of true, man, because I
started his podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
I'm just like, I don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
I'm just gonna try to do something and it turns
out that people kind of like it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Little bit, so keep going with it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
But next time, the agenda is definitely doing stuff like
you guys are doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Hopefully I'll start.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Selling some some of my own style of merchandise, you know,
awake awakened type merchandise, not with my logo or anything
like that, but like awakening type of merchandise.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
You know, that wakened alarm.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
Clock there you go, bam.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
But just something that I can I can market to
a lot more people than just people who listened to
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:56:27):
Obviously, I hold some uh some third eye eye drops.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
See that's what that's what I just hit.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Have a brainstorm session where I just white write stuff
on a whiteboard with a marker and you know, just
write down everything.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
We just we just like you just said, just start
throwing things on the wall and see what sticks.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
And I have a little word document that I just
put everything in. Usually when I just think of something
like oh yeah, that's you know, for whatever reason, I
think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
A good idea, and then I'll put I'll put it
down and I'll look at it later. I'm like, shit,
that's terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
I don't want to write that down.

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
No, that's good, because that's how I came up with donut.
The name was. I was working at Costco as a
vendor and this is I didn't have a smartphone at
the time. This was like twenty twelve, and I was like,
I was hitting a vape, which twenty twelve, no one
had a vape. No one knew what get it on
the internet, you know what I mean. And they were

(01:57:19):
like throwaways and I it was like it'd be cool
to write donut like Doe because that like what up? Though,
Like that one song was out and uh, I put
it down in this thing never used it. But then
one day I was like, I'm going to see if
I just changed my name to donut. People like it

(01:57:40):
and people loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Yeah, It's funny because when you start doing something, you
never really.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Think that people are going to enjoy whatever you do.
It's just like you're doing it for you for some reason,
you know. And then and then it turns out that
people like it. So you know, cudus to you guys
for doing what I love, man, and sticking to it
and you know, making a living off of it, because
people will get scared when they get to that jump
off point where it's like, oh I got to make
a living doing this, or I can just go back

(01:58:07):
to my costco job, you know, and maybe hate life
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
So goodness to you guys for for pushing forward with well,
whatever your dream is and just and making it happen.
That's what I'm actually at that point right now where
I'm trying to push through the I'm going through the
tough time of like, oh man, I got a family
to take care of. You know, I gotta I gotta
turn and go back to building more websites rather than
pursuing what I want to do, which is hopefully I'll

(01:58:33):
be doing some uh some uh those short short films
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
I got some some plans a bruin so but guys,
thank you'all very much for coming on the show again.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
If you won't, go ahead and plug your websites and
we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 5 (01:58:46):
You can find me at d O E and Ut Donut,
and you can find me a Paranoid American dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
You can find me at the Awakened podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
Go all right, yeah, go check.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Them out, guys, and also YouTube channels. They got you know,
donuts got Donut Factory on YouTube. Illuminati Animals coloring book.
Is that available and that available on Amazon right now?

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
If you, yeah, you go to and turd search for
Illuminati Animals, it will be the only thing that comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
You can get a bunch of stuff. Got I go
to Paranoid American dot Com.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
It's not AI generated In case that's something you care about.
It was actually hand done by the same artist that
does all my logos and powder and design, and she
also did the American Cryptids coloring book, which is second
only to the Illuminati comic and sales.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
My son asked me today he said his reality real
or something like that, like, where'd you hear that from?

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
I was like, Oh, it's probably me that he heard
that from. And I doubt if if I had an
Illuminati color but laying around my wife, who's very straight
laced Christian, it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
Like, what the hell is this?

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
She's already like, what is the Illuminati Dolphins? What is
this shirt you wear?

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
But thank you guys again for coming on.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
I really appreciate it, and uh hopefully you guys will
come back on again too.

Speaker 10 (02:00:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
I enjoyed the conversation.

Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
Thank you, Thank you man any time.

Speaker 9 (02:00:09):
All right, thank you guys.

Speaker 11 (02:00:30):
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to trying not to see you.

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So I'm standing at the crowl I don't know where
to New Cotrol.

Speaker 10 (02:00:48):
Trying not to say any for me in all right?

Speaker 5 (02:00:51):
That Rick, God send.

Speaker 13 (02:00:53):
Me your bless I'm so tir stress. This music turns obsession, upset.
I got a long way to go to He's my family,
my clothes souper with me some sweat and the rain,
going half and center habit saying orsh, and I can
change all my mistakes, but y'all be half done.

Speaker 5 (02:01:12):
They'll fall out and read the things that all looks of.

Speaker 11 (02:01:16):
Nats from the auto hall. But now I can stop
my own fall. I gotta stands down, overcome a scene,
jumping down the dr roll.

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
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Speaker 10 (02:01:29):
Lord.

Speaker 11 (02:01:30):
But I'm standing at the cross.

Speaker 7 (02:01:33):
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Speaker 11 (02:01:38):
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at the gross.

Speaker 7 (02:01:43):
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Speaker 13 (02:01:49):
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men maris.

Speaker 11 (02:01:53):
Now, I don't know who's a friend of me.

Speaker 13 (02:01:55):
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still a min is to reach. A man's ever want
me to lose my my religion. But I won't stop
what I to find.

Speaker 11 (02:02:09):
I won't give and won't give. So I'm gonna sit
down right head.

Speaker 13 (02:02:14):
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Speaker 10 (02:02:16):
And change my way today.

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