Nephilim Clowns: Gorgon Demons, Fallen Angels, Pocket Dimensions, False Gods, Psychedelic DMT Jesters, & Soul Contracts w/ Paul Stobbs

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All right, Welcome to the show one. You're listening to
the Awakened podcast. I'm your host, Brad Leale, and joining
me on the show today is author and.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Researcher Paul Stobs. Paul is the author of the.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Best selling book The Nephlum Look Like Clowns and the
host of the Understanding Conspiracy podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
This is actually Paul's second time on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
The first time we spoke, we just kind of talked
about awakenings.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
And DMT and the hat Man and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
We didn't really get too heavily into the details of
his book. So I asked him to come back onto
the show to share some of his knowledge with us
about what the Nephilim actually looked like and their influence
on cultures and societies around the world, and he did
a great job of giving us what I would consider
a condensed version of the book without giving too much
of it away.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
So if you're like me and you want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
More, I highly encourage you to go buy his book
on Amazon or listen to it on audible. You really
put a lot of time and effort in gathering all
of this information. Please support him and whatever way you
can follow him on YouTube, buy his book, make a donation,
whatever you can do to help him out.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm sure he would appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So with all that said, let's just go ahead and
hear what Paul has to say.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Right now, I'm.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
Trudging my way slowly through the second book. It's a
long process in between raising two kids and you know
the rest of it. I'm doing what I can when
I can, and and I've not said a date for
when that's going to be released, but there will be
a second final volume to complete the series. But yeah,
the first book is already out on Amazon. It's been
out for over a year now, since July twenty twenty four,

(02:42):
I think it was when it was published, and it's
done really well. It's sold about six thousand copies already.
It's getting good reviews It's on about four point eight
on Amazon, and I've just released the audiobook a few
months ago. I recorded it myself. It took me about
three months to do on my own in this little
office with this microphone. And yeah, I've just released the

(03:05):
second edition of the book now, the revised edition, because
as I was doing the audio book saying it out loud,
there was a lot of edits I made just to
make the flow a bit better, you know, And so
the book matches what I say perfectly now in the audiobook.
And it's just it's been a long process doing that.
I realize now in the second book I'm gonna have
to do the same thing again, so it's going to
be a very long, arduous process. But yeah, that's what's

(03:29):
going on with the book there. And like I said,
if you want a copy, you go into Amazon and
get yourself on there.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm excited to talk about it, man, because, like I said, again,
we were just kind of talking about hat Man and
we were talking about a little bit about psychedelics, which
I guess we'll get back into in this conversation today.
But what first led you to connect the nephlum with
the sort of archetype of clowns or gestures or what
have you.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah, well, it's a little bit of left field for
even me because I'm not like a clown enthusiasts or anything.
You know, I don't care about clowns. I've never, like
once had a second thought about them in my entire life,
you know, They've never been a focus of mine for anything.
It's just it was an odd series of connections firing
up in my brain over years of just research and

(04:16):
observation that made me just one day asked the question,
is there really something here between clowns and demons like
as we understand them? And I can tell that story
as quickly as I can, because I know we're strapped
for time. I like an abridged version of it. But
I've kind of told this story a thousand times, you know.
If anyone wants to know, you can, I counted them.
I've done about fifty podcasts talking about this, with varying

(04:37):
lengths of degrees of kind of explaining that where I
got the idea from and who I am, and delving
into the man who should details of certain aspects of
the theory. But it's a very big broad body of work.
Shall we say. That covers a lot of things, but
the introductory story is basically that I grew up a

(04:58):
religious I wasn't really religious person, not a religious household,
more of an atheistic type, you know, going into my
edgy teen years. But I was also an artist. I've
always been able to paint and draw and color out
of a degree in fine art, you know, I've always
studied art, so I'm a very visual person. That's probably
a good way to summarize who I am as a person.
And I've always been into history, reading books. I've never

(05:22):
been wanted just to watch sports or play that type
of games with the boys or anything. I've very much
just kept to myself while they're doing that over there,
and studying most of my life, and it's just who
I am. It's what I like to do, you know.
So when I got into university and I kind of
had my waking up moments, shall we say, to come
to conspiracy theory, I was very much a New agey,

(05:44):
gnosticy Taoist, weed smoking, a psychedelic taking partying, hedonistic, nihilistic,
typical stereotypical art student. You know, by that point in
my early twenties, living that life, you know, of for
the now and for myself, and I had learned this
is kind of my first foundational bit of knowledge that

(06:06):
laid before I am today. But you know, I knew
a lot about DMT diamethel trip to me and the
realm scene in those places. We discussed psychologics last time
we were on. You know, it's not I'm not strange
to that experience of those experiences and what's what it entails,
and many other things as well. And I kind of
understood the culture quite well. And I would read trip

(06:26):
reports and study it, you know, and listen to all
the famous talking heads on the matter, and I understood
that in that realm, people in the counter justus. So
that was already a foundational understanding that I already had
from early on, before I was even awake or born
again or a Christian or even studying anything to do
a biblical history, let alone the net for them, you know.
But I understood people see these things. And I was

(06:48):
very much like a Youngian, scientifically minded, symbolic everything, psychological
type back then, And yeah I was. I was going
off archetypes. They represent an aspect of the collective consciousness,
the shadow of human in order to teachers about ourselves
and transcend the dark aspects of our own in a psyche,
you know. And I had that kind of interpretation of
what the gesture really was. And you look at what

(07:09):
a gesture is throughout history. It's this playful character that
Pope's fun at the king, and you know, we are
the king of our own realities, and it's their job
to break down those barriers by mocking us and ridiculing
us and poking our sensibilities an ego, and I very
much just left it at that. That was good enough
as an explanation for me back then, you know. But
then when I became a conspiracy theorist or a truth

(07:31):
or whatever you want to call that label, you know,
I'm not looking to die cast myself. I'm still just
an individual person who just thinks, you know, at the
end of the day. But when I woke up, it
was the end of the world that my in calendar
was about to end in twenty twelve, and the build
up to that really got me spiraling into all the
warrens and the rabbit holes of conspiracy, you know. And
I very much realized very quickly the New Age religion

(07:53):
was for the New World Order. It was very much
a part of the conspiracy. And I was stepping out
of a few of my ideals, and I was leaning
towards Christianity, and I didn't want to go there. I
didn't want to go to Christianity. I thought it was
a stupid idea at first, and nowhere can they have
all the answers. But by twenty fourteen, over a long
arduous period of breaking down and finding no answers in

(08:16):
the psychedelic world and in those Eastern philosophies, I broke
down and asked God to show me the truth, and
he did, and I was born again that day in
March at twenty fourteen, and I from that day, you know,
I really buckled down and got to grips of biblical
history and started looking into Christine contrarians and researchers out there.

(08:37):
At the time. It was a bit of a wild
West of conspiracy back then, and there were some big
names knocking about like Michael Heiser, Rob Skiber, you had
Gary Wayne, There was many many Lamar zul you know,
all those conspiratorial types that were discussing the Nephilim and
these giant skulls and the elongated skulls, you know, the
practice skulls and all these types of things. I was

(09:00):
just enthralled. I was like, this is this is incredible.
This explains so much, you know, and it makes the
Bible come alive. Finally I understand the history of why
there was a flood, what happened in the Antediluvian age,
why God chose the people, kind of all that narrative
was becoming clear as day to me. But I also
naive to the rules of Christianity. I didn't realize that's

(09:21):
actually heretical, anathema, extra biblical nonsense, according to a lot
of the Churchianity types, you know. So I learned that
as I went. But for me, as somebody wasn't raised
in a church with any particular dogma, it works. It
makes sense. I think it's real. I think it's true.
I think they were onto something. And it finally answers
the hard questions of why a flood, Why would a

(09:42):
loving God do such a thing, you know, and and
why the genus all the genocide in the early parts
of the Bible, you know, why they're wiping out of
the women and the children and the animals and all
the rest of it like, what's the point, you know,
when you contextualize it with genetic corruption and giants and
a rebellion of the angels. Yeah, and it suddenly starts
to make a hell of a lot more sense, you know.

(10:03):
So for me it worked. It helped suddenly structure to
my faith. And as I was going through that transition
period from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, it was a
rough time in my life because I was just born again,
but I was a baby Christian. I didn't really know
much and I'd lived a relatively naive life up until
that point about spiritual warfare. But once I gave myself

(10:24):
to Christ, that's when I was really getting heavily spiritually
attacked and my eyes were open. We were in a
spiritual war and the demons are real, and I need
to know what they are and where they come from,
because that's just the type of guy I am, you know.
So that's why I when I researched and Definite, they
explained it very quickly, and it's it saved my life
in many ways. But you know, I had some experiences

(10:47):
after being born again. I went to the DMT realm
and a flashback I was sober for a year by
this point, so I wasn't doing drugs. But I went
back to the DMT realm randomly and saw a giant
jester for the first time, and it was this black,
white striped, big, wide lipped, purple lipped, the huge glowing
eyes looking down at me. It was a giant, you know.

(11:08):
I was looking up at it and had these huge
horn like protrusions coming from its skull, like like a
Jestus cap. But it's it was just it's its physiology
was this shape. I wasn't wearing a gestus costume. Its
skin was that color, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
It was a.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Sight to behold. It shocked me a lot. I didn't
know what to do with that at the time, because
I came back to reality, you know, and with this
vision in my mind, and like, I don't know what
that was. I don't know what I'm supposed to do
with that. That was just I understood about the DMT
realm with the Jesters by this point, so I was like, act,
clearly have symbon for the first time, so I know
the real now they aren't there, And I was getting
visitations from that hat man. I was getting sleep paralysis, strangulation,

(11:47):
things like this, wrenching myself awake, screaming every other night,
you know. And I had another moment where I went
paralyzed in my I was dog sitting at the time
at my parents' house, and I went paralyzed on the sofa,
collapsed and darkness started to just seep in from the
corners of my eyes. The room was crunching away into

(12:08):
like a spiraled portal in front of me, and I
was dying. Do you felt like I was dying? You
felt like my soul was being torn from my body
and that was the end of me. Maybe I was
having a brain aneurysm or something. I don't know what
was going on, but it was bad. It was a
bad moment, and all I could think to do was
say Jesus helped me as quietly and as croaky as

(12:29):
I possibly could in my paralyzed state, and instantly stopped
like that. You know, I was back in the room,
covered in sweat. I got up. I was like bile
coming out. It was horrible. It was a bad time,
you know what I mean. It was like a wrenching moment.
But I lived. I survived, and I knew that was
for me, like the final hint in the understanding of

(12:53):
the power of Christ and its name and the use
it is when it comes to spiritual warfare and demonic attacks.
And although it was real to me, then I can't
deny it. I have lived it. It's an experience I
can't prove to you that happened to me. Absolutely understand
it sounds like the ramblings of a madman, but I
don't care. That's what happened to me, and that's the truth,
and I can't lie about it. Unfortunately, I'm going to

(13:15):
have to keep saying that because I'm a bad liar.
That's what happened to me. So with all these experiences
kind of lined up in this biblical history knowledge kind
of backing up. I was watching lots of presentations about
the Nephelin, you know, and I understood that demons are
the disembodied spirits of the Nephelin. That's kind of the thing,
you basic thing you learn. Demons aren't angels. They are

(13:35):
the children of angels mixed with humans specifically, and when
they die, they're stuck on earth, and we call them
demons today. So I was finally understanding my enemy what
was attacking me? What was coming at me? What are
these things? What are these entities people see? And why clown?
Like why Jester?

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Like?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
So I did a cursory search and I found one
video when I typed in the words Nephelin on YouTube,
and it was by a channel called the Epic Conspiracy.
His logo was like an I Illuminati from Egypt or
something like that. He had like two hundred subscribers and
he made like a mockumentary history channel style video mocking

(14:17):
Christians and people who believe in the Nephelim. So he
wasn't even making a real Nephelin video. He was just
taking the piss out of us, having a laugh at us,
you know, like these crazy people believe in giants. But
as he's describing the way giants looked in the stereotypical
red hair, white skin, and then he said, there's only
one explanation that interdimensional killer clowns from out of space,

(14:39):
and he showed the eighties movie images, you know, and
he was just joking. He didn't care, he didn't know
what he was on about. You know, he was just
laughing at us. But I knew, like, actually there's something
to this. Then Nephelim and clown. There's something here, There's
something to do with this. I don't know what it
is exactly yet in this moment, but I'm going to
dig and see what I can find, basically, and here

(15:00):
I am nine years later. The series was started in
twenty sixteen, you know, And I have a book published
now around the second one, and it just keeps coming.
And it turns out, Yeah, not only are clowns as
we know them today a creation of copies, shall we
say of ractions Demons of India brought to Britain in

(15:24):
the early eighteen hundreds by the son of a famous
freemason of the time who was heavily interlinked with India
and family was connected to India, who brought the iconography
onto the British stage and modeled to modern clown after
Demons of India. Even prior to that, within the same place,
the same pantomime, Hardequin was originally introduced in the sixteen
hundreds as a model of European demons called the wild Man.

(15:48):
So the first proto clown as we understand it today
and the modern clown as we know today are both
modeled after demons. There's no two ways about it. That's
exactly what it is, and it's for good reason, because
that character was supposed to be an original place. So
that's one thing. And then if you look outside of
the history of the clown costume, and I looked at
all these cultures over the earth basically have many different

(16:11):
types of religions. I'm not dicasterimols, just the same religion necessarily.
So you have more ancestor spirit worship nature worship religions.
You've got monotheistic pantheistic gods and worship systems as well.
Then you also have more shamanistic cultures, which often sometimes
have one god or have many gods or nature gods

(16:33):
within them. You get these apotropaic cultures that believe you
dress like spirits to scare them away. Then you have
other ones who wear costumes to bring the demons into
their bodies. But if you separate the minutia details of
the religions and just look at the esthetics of the
costumes worn to represent spirits and or demons in these

(16:56):
individual cultures of varying religions and beliefs on every continent,
we start to see a pattern emerge. Multi colored patterned
shimmering stringed clothing like a clout in costume as we
would arc typically caricature in the West today, pale white faces,
white face makeup, chalk paint on the skin, multi colored

(17:18):
patterns drawn on top of that white paint on the
face or on the arms or on the legs. A
huge multicolored head dress made of feathers or sequins or
beads or diamonds and jewels, but it's usually red primarily
sometimes gold, but always red. So a red head dress,
white face, multi colored pattern clothing. Some cultures even us

(17:39):
stilts while walking around them in Africa, for example, to
represent the ancestor spirits, or some of them do rock
art paintings of the ancient spirit deities to venerate them.
And if you just follow the themes, they all have
clown aesthetical features. And it's because the costume is used
as a tool to channel the entities on the other

(17:59):
side in the spirit realm, and you dress like the
thing to channel the thing, to create a portal to
the thing, and many cultures do it to make deals
with them and to allow them into their own body.
That's like a portal. I'm representing you in the spirit realm,
so you could enter into me in the physical for stuff,
for power usually you know, the ability not to bleed

(18:20):
when cut, or to have the strength of ten men,
or if you're in small tribal warfare situations, that's a benefit.
It's a huge benefit, you know. But then in the West,
what we've done, and it seems like when I said
this costume was introduced in the eighteen hundreds and then
popularized into the modern day, we have our own version
of this costume won by all these other cultures, and
we call it a clown. To us, it's a cult.

(18:43):
It's esoteric. Esoterically, it represents the neft for them, exoterically.
To the public, it's just a bit of fun for
the kids. You're not supposed to know what it's really for.
And I said, that's all the theory in a nutshell.
And I said, the explorations go into every culture on
the earth, pretty much all the history of the Bible.
I think all human history is biblical history. Even the

(19:06):
cultures that aren't in the Bible still exist on the
earth and still experience the same history as dictated in
the Bible. There was a time where the offspring of
fallen angels mixing with human women created a giants that
became predators that killed and ate us and then dominated
us and became the kings and rulers of an Antiiluvian age.
And every single culture remembers them, and every single culture

(19:27):
either venerates them, fears them, or hates them, but either
way they have artwork and clothing to represent them, and
they all look like clowns. So that's basically the work
in a nutshell. It's an anthropological city more than anything.
I know what it sounds like on the surface. The
Bible does not explicitly say and so the clown looking

(19:50):
giants came down and that it doesn't say stuff I understand.
But when you get context from outside of the biblical text,
you start to see what the Bible was taught talking amounts,
because the Bible doesn't care about looks, it cares about actions.
If you want to find out what these things look like,
you have to look outside and look at these other cultures,
and they're telling you explicitly. And as a result, I

(20:11):
don't think we should take what we wear lightly. As
a result of my own research, take it for what
it is, ridiculate, market laugh at it like most people do.
But when you actually look at the work I've done,
I think I can make a very strong compelling case.
I'm not just talking complete and total nonsense. So yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Well, it sounds like you take a path of anthropology, theology, mythology,
a whole bunch of different things, and I actually think
that that's the way to do it, because a lot
of times people would just look at it from a
theological point of view and not from a oral tradition
or any other kind of a cultural tradition from around
the world. But it's pretty clear to me as well,

(20:53):
and especially after hearing you talk about it on any
other shows in your.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Book, that this is what they are I have I
go to.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's funny because you mentioned killer clowns from out of
space and that jarred something in your mind, and to me,
the space part two actually makes me think a little
bit deeper because I like to go into the metaphysical
of where are they coming from? It seems like everybody
always stops at the physical where they came in through portals,
or they came in through manifestations or shed their ogitarian

(21:24):
or whatever what have you. But I want to know
where they're coming from. Where do they reside right now?
Have you ever looked into anything like that? Have you
ever looked into the metaphysical of what is known?

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Well, where do they reside as systembodied spirits right now?
Like it?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Well, to me, there's a few different places, but.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Well, yeah, the could the could be Gary Me and
Gary Wayne told us about this huge inspiration for the book,
you know, and then I was blessed to get to
have many conversations with him over the years. I gave
even thank him at the end of the book for
the advice he gave me on rioting the book, you know.
But when when we talk about it, he has explained
the whole Catarian concept to me, and he thinks they
might be pocket dimensions for specific tribes of Nephelim and

(22:06):
their fathers, their angels have created for their children realms
they can reside in for them specifically, you know. So
Valhalla might be a good example of this. It's one
specific realm, not for people humans, but it was for
the nephel them to reside, and maybe they can in
some way come back into and throw and within our
realm through these portals from these pocket dimensions. I have

(22:28):
heard that before, which is an interesting take on it,
and I'm always willing to be open to that being
a possibility. I'm not totally sure, but that would imply
that they were still physical, but was saved from the
death and destruction that came upon them as a judgment
by being put into these pocket dimensions. So it might
explain where the physical giants came back into the earth
again once, because not all of them, it seemed, had

(22:51):
that blessing. The Bible talks about many of them killing
each other in brutal, horrible, bloody battles in the Book
of Enoch and the Angels to watch the children kill
each other, So we know many of them didn't make
it into a pocket dimension. We just just died, you know,
perhaps even became the mountain scapes we see around us
and the hills we see around us today, you know,
and we're just living on the ruins and the corpses

(23:13):
of a of a titanochomy as described in Greek mythology,
you know, just giant slaying each other everywhere. But either way,
like some of them may have been, may have kept
the oichutear in their body and been kept safe in
pocket dimensions designed specifically for them by powerful creator entities
like black angels. Maybe, or it seems the stuck on

(23:35):
the earth in a disembodied form. So I think the
earth is both physical and spiritual simultaneously. I don't think
that actually is a disconnect from the spiritual realm and
the physical realm. I think that both the exact same creation.
Like a coin has two sides, or a rug has
the warp and the woof, you know, the side just
opposed to see, and then the messy side underneath roll

(23:56):
the strings connect to make the pattern on top, you know.
I think it's one item, the spiritual realm and the
physical realm. They're not like you can't separate the two.
You can't have one without the other. In the same
with us as physical entities, I think we are physical beings,
but we are also living souls. We are a spiritual
being with a physical aspect to us, but we're both.

(24:16):
We're spell simultaneously, you know. And I think when the
Nephilim died physically the body may have gone, but they
were earth bound. They don't have a soul breathed into
them from God himself, that breath of life. The earthly
entities and there the remain on the earth in spiritual form.
And I think these spirits, these unclean spirits, we just

(24:37):
that Christ a lot of bit ministry involved casting out
of people. Are the disembodied spirits of those Nephelim and
the right here on earth with us, just beyond our perception.
But they're still here like they didn't go anywhere, and
they can interact with us loosely, but in disembodied, in
a disembodied state that they're limited in their ability to

(25:00):
influence us. And I think when you take psychedelics, all
they do is just tune up the dial on your
perception and suddenly you start to see more of what's
actually here. You're not hallucinating things that aren't there. You're
just seeing things that are here now which we don't
ordinarily perceive on a daily basis. And I've also theorized
just thrown this out there. You know, when the flood happened,

(25:22):
God say a rainbow in the sky of for Noah
as a covenant, as a promise that he would never
flood the earth again. But that implies that rainbows never
existed before that. In some way, it was like a
shock surprise that this thing suddenly existed, called a rainbow
now as like a sign. Well, if you understand that
our limited bandwidth of vision is that's colored spectrum. Perhaps
that's what happened after the flood. Perhaps our perceptions were

(25:44):
limited as a mercy, because otherwise we would be still
communicating with and seeing and being influenced by these spirits
that now infect the earth everywhere. I think it's why
God calls for a new creation as well, at the
end of renewing of the heavens and earth and then
becoming one and the old world kind of being burned
away by firing a way for a cleansing, renewal moment,

(26:05):
you know, because I think it's currently for the parasites.
We call demons that, and they are quite literally parasites.
They live off us as a food source. So Christ
describes them as wandering in dry places seeking a home,
you know. And they'll they'll take your body if you
let them, you know, And they'll live within you, your

(26:25):
vessel if you allow them. And while they're there, don't
forget these things used to be kings, rulers, giants among
puny humans. Well, they'll use you, and what they'll do
is influence you to do stuff, drink things, sin, you know,
and in extreme cases even kill, you know. But they'll
make you believe you thought came up with the idea
or you wanted to do those things, and then they'll

(26:48):
experience or feel that pleasure or that thing, those emotions
vicariously through your body as you feel and taste stuff,
so do they And that's kind of the Dean's gain today.
That's what they're doing, you know. And they parasitically feed
off of us through doing stuff like that. And now, look,
we sin, humans have the capacity to sin. I'm not

(27:09):
abdicating our responsibility to demons. That's not what I'm doing here,
but it can certainly influence us. And if you are demonized,
we don't want to say possessed necessarily, you know, but
if you are infested with demons, then yeah, you're going
to be influenced. They'll be continuously influencing you to make
bad decisions and do things, and they'll be making noises
in your head you think are your own thoughts. So

(27:31):
you believe you came up with the ideas and wanted
and want to do these things, all the while feeling
shame and guilds and misery and horrible. Yeah, because that's
what they do. They use you and then they move
on once you're dead. Basically, they don't care about you.
They're not your friends. And that's exactly how parasites work.
They can't help but kill the wholest body in the end.
It's just the way they are. It's in the nature,
you know. But ideally they'd like to remain hidden. They

(27:53):
don't want you to know that they're in there, and
they can be cast out in the name of Jesus
Christ and wants the Holy spirits in there. There's no
for them anymore, and they can't use you, and that's
when you get attacked, usually by other people who do
have demons that don't really realize it, and this kind
of they use other means to get to you, and
that's when you get ill pressed by demons rather than

(28:15):
possessed by demons, you know. So it's like a switch
may and switch. But this is the spiritual war we're in.
I think they're here on earth with us. I think
that's how they operate, that's how they work. I think
that's their modus operandi today and I think they are
working as spiritual foot soldiers for the fathers in the
heavenly realms, the Fijian six twelve stuff. You know, the
principalities in high places are spiritual wickedness in high places,

(28:37):
and I think they do the bidding of their fathers,
and I think their father's answer to the leader of
their rebellion, which is Lucifer or Staytan the dragon. And
I think and in the physical realm they have their
own physical foot soldiers that they communicate with that step
below the demons, which are the secret societies, and they're
all working in tandem as a hierarchy system spiritual and

(28:58):
physical to subjugate control and dictate mankind's future towards their
golden age, their new world order, you know. And it's
in the long run, I think it's also an effort
or a promise that they can get their bodies back.
And perhaps I've also theorized that that might word transhumanism
is really all about and robotics and the rest of

(29:20):
it and the singularity. It's not about reaching an apex
moment where we get to live forever. It's about creating
vessels that can house consciousness, which there's an army of
disembodied conscious consciousnesses or consciouncy. I don't know what the
plural for that is, but there's an army of them
just waiting for vessels to inhabit, and we're going to
build it for them. But right now they get into us.

(29:42):
They use our bodies. And like I said, there are
many cultures around the earth who know this. It's not
even a secret. They venerate them or fear them, but
either way, they dress like them to let them into
their own bodies because it's kind of in those cultures
they want the demon in them. It gives them power.
It's like a familiar It gives them strength. It's a

(30:04):
transactional deal. It's a contract. Okay, I'll give you power,
but you need to sacrifice. You need to eat things
or smoke things, or drink things or do things that
I want you to do because I want to feel
those pleasures. Again. That's how the demon thinks. And the
person's like, deal, I'll drink that blood or kill that

(30:25):
person or rape that person, or drink that alcohol or
do that drug or eat that food you like, so
long as you give me x Y and Z money, fame, power, gold, riches, whatever,
and you work for me, and I'll work for you,
and it's a symbiotic relationship. Then between parasite human it's
true venom stuff, you know what I mean. It's like,
I think there's many ways this works. So people who

(30:47):
know what they're doing make contracts with them. Ignorant people
who don't know that they're infested tend to remain ignorant
of that fact till it's too late. And then we
as Christians, who take all authority, we can cast these
things out, send them back to the dry places, and
we have all authority over them, and they are a defeated,
weak enemy. But in these cultures who don't have Christianity,

(31:09):
in these tribes, they're not afraid of being out in
the open because no one's going to cast them out
any second or any moment from now. But in the West,
if they were so brash and open about it like
they were in these other cultures, then some Christians somewhere
will notice eventually and probably do something about it. So
they tend to keep it hidden, you know. And so
I think that's why they invented the clown costume, to
be honest, I think it with the purpose was to

(31:32):
create something that they could use publicly to channel entities
for their own benefit and gain. However, the public won't
know that that's what's happening. It's hidden from them, and
they'll think it's something fun and interesting just for the kids.
I think this is why Shrine is international, for example,
has a clown sect within every single one of them.
What does a Muslim order themed Arabic order have to

(31:53):
do with Western clowns. It's a completely devoid of all
sense until you realize a step above that by invitation.
Only Shriners in good standing can be invited to become
members of the Royal Order of the Jester, which again
a very exclusive club. And I talk about them in
the book. But they've they've been involved in some really
shady things, and you can gather that just by looking
at the public records and the FBI records that are

(32:15):
available publicly. God only knows what they've done secretly that
hasn't been revealed, but what they've done publicly is heinous.
What they've been caught doing is heinous. You know, what's
on record is heinous. And I've just shown what's on record,
you know, and it's why why is the highest order
of freemasonry from Shrine freemasonry to shrining a jester. Why

(32:36):
is that the best thing to be? You know? Why
is that the highest privilege? And it's not because it
represents having the year of the king, which again is
just although that did happen in the past. Symbolically, I
think it's we are on par with or a step
above humanity, and we're with the jesters and the demons
in the other realm. I think they know about them,

(32:57):
and I think that's why maybe there's been this push
the last decade to get people to take DMT and
talk with the gesters, you know, and it's kind of
I think that's why they look like jesters. I think
that's what these people are encountering when they go to
the other side. I think they look more jest alike
in spiritual form, but in physical form they were more
dragon human hybrid like, you know, which explains the wide

(33:19):
mouth like a serpent's jaw, the big eyes, the fangs
often stuck out, the thin, long, big red lips because
a lizard with lips would look pretty damn weird. And
I think that's why they have these big red spiles,
you know, and you've got wild, crazy, flaming red hair
auras beaming off of them, scaly, perhaps odd looking porcelain
white skin, human shaped body but with like claws, and

(33:43):
it would have looked like a real crazy psychedelic mess
because lizards are very colorful. Reptiles are colorful creatures, and
I think we've got a bit confused in the past
with the early enough of them research. You also these
presentations and Rob Skeiep would be there showing like the
giants sort of lighted up next to each other, and
it was just a copy paste of Conan the Barbarian

(34:05):
with these huge pectoral muscles and a tanned body with
a loincloth on, you know what I mean. And he
had like a club over his shoulder, a big shaggy
beard with brown hair. It's like, that's too human. That's
not what these things would have looked like at all.
And this is where my creative aspect came into it.
In the original thing, It's like, well, what would happen
if you've got a seraphim angel mixing with a human woman.

(34:28):
You would get a psychedelic mess. You would get something
absolutely terrifying. And when we know what dragons looks like,
because you can go and look at cultures in China,
let's say, and so that surrounding region in Asia, you know,
the Thailand temples and the Japanese dragons and the Chinese
dragons and the Philippine dragons and whatever, just that whole region.

(34:48):
You know what I mean. If you look at the
way the dragons looked, they were extremely psychedelically colorful and
wild looking. And then you go across to like the
continence of let's say, you know, North America or South
America with you know, they the Meso Meso American region,
and they all have dragons there, Quittaquot being one of them,
for example. But they're very colorful, very psychedelic, feathered and

(35:09):
plumed as well. So angelic, reptilian, hybrid mixed. And these
are the things that we're interacting with the people on
a regular basis. So these were more likely the watchers
we're dealing with, and these are the ones that did
what they did and created the nephilim. So I think
a seraphim hybrid hybridized human monster looking thing would look weird,

(35:31):
and we can I can attest from the images I've
found and the research I've done. Yeah, the offspring looked
like clowns. So it just kept coming back to this
concept over and again. So anyway, they're sorry for the
long winded answer for a lot of I said a
lot there. But when I get going, I can really
get going with as song as I apologize.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
No, I love it.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I got to learn how to shut my mouth
sometimes too so because I will jump in like as
a start running my mouth and try to interject my ideas.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
But you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That there is a You've mentioned dial so you and
that we are in this visible spectrum, which is what
I think as well. That kind of guy keeps us
in this realm where we can't see beyond this. Do
you think that they are frequency and that they use medium,
which is where we get the word media from, to

(36:20):
channel that bandwidth from person to person. It's almost like
the movie Fallen. Have you seen the movie Fallen with
Denzel Washington?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Actually no, no, so's it's.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
It's all right.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
So it's like it's to.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Denzel Washington's a cop and he's trying to figure out
a murder and he comes encounter with Azazel.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Azel just keeps changing form.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
She keep or it whatever it is, keeps changing from
woman to man to dog to cat, whatever, and then
it can't really be killed. It can only be transferred
from one thing to another like an energy, like a frequency.
And that's where I kind of get that thought from that,
like maybe they're broadcasting their spells through the media, through
that medium to channel these entities directly into our brains

(37:04):
through pornography and TV and movies and all this other stuff,
because I mean that is where we get the idea
of what we just mentioned, killer clowns from outter space
and things like that.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
We get these ideas from somewhere, and it seems.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Like that they would they relish in the idea that
Halloween's coming up, for example, and they're selling all these
clown things and clown costumes and all this other stuff,
you know, and absolutly yeah, it also would it also
to me think I think that they sort of stoke fear.
I mean, obviously their appearance historically in our DNA, we're

(37:40):
like afraid of them because of the fear that they
used to induce on people so long ago when they
were in that form. And then the women wear makeup
and all this stuff, and they like tall men. You know,
there's a lot of like historical things in DNA of
women as well that want to go after somebody like that.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Right, So I guess what I'm trying to say is
are they using things like fear to.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Because like they if they constantly have stuff in the media,
like I said, with movies and all this stuff, they
use that fear and then it gives us a low
vibration and they can sort of attach themselves onto us in
some way.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
In many ways. Yeah, I mean we understand through things
like mk ultrue. You know that if you torture somebody enough,
you can break them down and then rebuild them and
reprogram them, for example. So we know even human you know,
never mind like unknown horrors from beyond the void. Man
made horrors that are well understood can be just equally

(38:40):
as terrifying. You know what we're capable of. We understand
the mind is fragile and can be broken and therefore manipulated.
And I think the demons know this too, Yes, I think,
and I think they do use things like fear to
break you down emotionally to breaking points. And when you're
in that low weak operational states as you describe it, Yeah,

(39:02):
I think that could open you up to being more
readily demonized, shall we see and influenced and in the sound,
because if we only knew true authority over these things,
that you are a king over them in a sense,
they and Jesus Christ has given you all authority to
trample on serpents and snakes and scorpions, you know. And
it's like these these things are nothing but snakes scorpions,

(39:24):
you know. And then for something, dude, I gotta don't
tread on me thing behind me.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
You can see it, don't tredd on me flag.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
But just recently I have come to the idea like,
wait a minute, that's a snake and it's saying, don't
treddle me.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
And like Jesus gave the.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Authority for us to trample on snakes, So what are we?

Speaker 6 (39:45):
What am I saying here?

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Whenever I support the gast and flag?

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Am I saying that?

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Like?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Am I telling Christians that don't tread on me?

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It doesn't make any sense to me. So now I'm like,
maybe I need to remove all this iconography of like
the don't trail me because it's sort of a rebellion
in symbol, at least in the South. In Southern culture,
or like, not just the South, but in patriotic culture
in the United States. So it feels like even that's inverted,
which is a weird good. So I'm glad you brought
that up because I mentioned.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
That maybe it may be.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
And I know what Brian would say, demons, Bro'll get
out of your house. You bring demons in your house what
he said, Yeah, imagine something like that, And I get it.
You know, you do have to be careful. At the
same time, I'm not afraid of symbols and shapes. I'm not.
You know, I've done that's ridiculous, you know. And at
the end of the day, I understand the intention behind
that symbology that they were using. You know, we're more

(40:35):
dangerous than they think we are, you know what I mean,
they can't they can't take away if we can fight back.
Its attitude of you know, the government's not going to
do what it's going to do to us, so we
can easily fight back, you know, don't tread of me,
don't take away my rights attitude. So, and I think
the people who probably made that, I don't know the history,
but I assume they were probably ignorant of any ill
biblically referenced intensions. I really doubt it. Yeah, And again

(40:58):
I think most people don't think like that, or like
what we're talking about here. When they make these things,
there could be some spiritual influence, maybe, you know. I'm
not denying that that's a possibility. Perhaps perhaps you know,
But I wouldn't worry too I wouldn't worry too much
about it. But in terms of like that the whole
do they influencers and put it into use fear to

(41:18):
make us weaker and more easily malleable to their agenda. Absolutely,
And I think it's happening on a mass scale. I
think mass trauma events and rituals are taking place in
the media all the time to get the whole nations
and the earth reeling over things and feeling powerless and hopeless.
And that only makes us more controllable and perhaps in
a spiritual sense, more easily manipulated and useful as a

(41:41):
food source for demons spiritually speaking, you know, I think
that could be possible. But then we also do know
that they do use clown imagery in the media to
glorify it in some way, to make people dress like
it for something like Halloween, so they popularize it quite
a lot. So you find there's a lot of media
out there that there's a lot of killer clown films

(42:01):
out there. It's a bit of a trope, you know,
there's a lot of that, but you find there's popular
ones that always get rehashed every so often, so there's
always a new IT reboots, first the book, then the
movie in the nineties, the series in the nineties, and
then the movie remaking the modern era, you know, twenty
sixteen onwards to now. So there's always going to be
a new IT rendition in the future, I can guarantee that.

(42:22):
And it is quite literally an interdimensional fear feeding monster
whose main form is a clown in the physical but
also in the spiritual. It's like a spider hybrid creature
in some way, you know. But then if you go
to like the comic book series Spawn the Violator, which
is a member of Hell who's sent to watch over

(42:45):
Spawn making sure he's doing his job on behalf of Hell,
where his form is like a lizard, reptilian, spider, demon monster,
but he's a clown and physical form, you know, And
it's kind of the They always reference it in media
quite a lot I think there's a lot of people
in media who know about what I'm talking about here
and use it in fictionalized settings in order to gain
the power or at least make people inspired to want

(43:07):
to think it's good or cool. There's always a new
Joker every so often. There's always going to be a
new rendition of the Joker, and he's getting more and
more of the anti hero, personal relatable type as time
goes on. Rather than an insane lunatic who's out there
killing people, now he's a well maybe he's got a
point with like Keith Ledger's version, and then with Waking
Phoenix versions like I am the Joker, we are the Joker,

(43:28):
We're all the Joker. Just watch it burn societies against us,
you know. It's the sympathy for the devil stuff, you know.
And I think a lot of people then are inspired
to mimic it events like Halloween, And that's perfect because
Sarwayne is when the veil is thinnest between the physical
and the spiritual world in the Celtic tradition, you know.

(43:50):
And if they can get a lot of people during
this time period to dress like clowns, then what I
tell you, these other cultures do they dress like the
thing to channel the thing. And I don't think ignorance
of the spiritual law will make you immune to unfortunately.
I think if you go around dressing like this, you
are opening up a portal to the spiritual realm, and
you're mirroring something that really does exist in that space,

(44:13):
and you're giving it permission to enter into your body.
And I think that's what these rituals are every year,
and we should be extremely careful about what we do.
But never mind that there are people in culture using
it for power as well. So I think if you
look at the music industry is a perfect example where
people dress like psychically clown demons all the time and
they get really rich and famous and powerful and everyone

(44:34):
loves them and they become idols that people worship, which
in turn makes more people look up to them and
dress like them copy them, because that's what it takes
to be famous in the industry. Chapel Roan is a
new famous edition, but she's just playing the same game
that's been happening for years. David Bowie did it too
with his Eggy Star Does character, and Lady Garga played

(44:56):
that game as well. But if you look her at
if you look just through the whole e T's era,
they were all doing it. Look at kiss. You know
it's the same thing, like white makeup, patterned skin, red
red lips. You know that you do that, you end
up channeling demons. That's basically what happens.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
You know.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
He even had the tongue sticking out Gene Simmons primarily,
and that is a common theme whenever you see Nephelin
represented in ancient artwork. The Gorgan, for example, is a
prime example of this from Greek culture, the Gorgan and Medusa.
She's more popularly known, but there was three sisters in
the in the Greek original myths, is the offspring of
a kidnea and Typhon. Typhon is a sea serpent's god,

(45:36):
so a dragon of the sea mixing with a siren,
a human woman who became a snake lady. So that
and those two had children, and the Gorgans were those things,
and they are Nephilim, quintessential neph forlim. And if you
look at the old reliefs and the old paintings and
postery and the artwork representing the Gorgan, it's big, wide

(45:57):
grin tongue sticking out, sharp, massive, crazy bulging eyes, red dreadlocks,
some red hair, you know, and white skin. And then
if you see the body, it's human in proportion, so
it doesn't have snake legs or anything, but it's holding
a horse under its arm like a puppy, like a chihuahur.
So it's the giants, and it has wings like an angel,

(46:19):
so it's half angel, you know. So they're telling you
clearly what the neft of them look like. And the
tongue sticking out is usually always incorporated in there for
some reason, I don't know why, you know. So when
you see that happening, and some of like Gene Simmons
in the band kiss with the white makeup on, doing
these things while they're mirroring something in the spirit realm
and channeling it, and you find the usuer end up

(46:40):
as legends, legends of rock going down in the analds
of history for eternity, for future generations to venerate as
fallen gods that will live on forever in our memories.
You know, they get idolized, they get turned into you know,
saints of Satanism basically in some way like people realizing

(47:00):
saints of the modern secular culture or something. But making
no mistake that that's done by design. It's not like
they were chosen because they were good musicians. They were
chosen because they chose to dress like that by the
people who run the industry. And that's the real secret
to be famous. I've realized. It's not having talent or
having some being a little bit weird to dress like

(47:20):
a clown, and they will choose you, They'll put the
spotlight on you, they'll make you famous because they want
people out there to be idolized, to choose to dress
this way. Some more people copy them, emulate them. Then
you get more channels opened up, more people bringing more
vessels demons into our realm. It's actually just the endless cycle,
and the whole media industry is dedicated to doing that.

(47:43):
You'll find now I've mentioned they just look at history
and you realize some of the most famous artists throughout
musical history look have clown features, and that that's done
by design. It's not because there were actually great musicians.
It has nothing to do with that. It's because the
people who run the industry know full well what that
imagery represents. They know and some musicians I think know

(48:04):
what they're doing. Others are just ignorant and they just
think that's what you're supposed to do to be famous,
you know. So they go out there and do the
thing that the idol did, and then they useful idiots,
low intelligent people who just get a lot of money
and think they're great narcissists, you know, and never think
anything deep about anything. A lot of the industries is
full of those people, you know. But I think there
are some high players in their warlocks and witches in

(48:27):
the industry who do it on purpose, and they know
what they're doing, they know why they're dressing that way,
and they use it to gain influence, power, fame, money, strength,
and the rest of it, and they make their sacrifices
just like these ancestor spirit worship cultures all over the
earth and every continent, in isolated tribes and places all
over the earth. It's the same practice, it's the same method.

(48:49):
There's just a Western way of doing it, and then
there's these other culture's way of doing it, and you
need to deal solely with aesthetics here. A lot of
people get too wrapped up in their own indie visual cultures,
thinking there's is special and their stories are unique, and
that's not what that is. If you look at the
whole mythology about against that particular entity in my particular religion,

(49:09):
it's this whole rich mythos you know about a battle
and everything. So yeah, that's your isolated regions story to
explain them. That's what you were told by them when
they were here, what they were. Those are the lies
that every culture has to explain what these entities are.
But if you just stick to the esthetics, strip away
the narratives that are made around them, they're all the same.

(49:31):
It's because that's what happened. The whole earth was dominated
by these things. Fallen angels, watchers, two hundreds of them
came down, and I think they split themselves up into
sets of gods with the small g and I think
they set up their pantheons all over the earth, over
different regions, and I think they were worshiped as gods

(49:53):
in many areas. The Norse had their pantheon, the Egyptians
had their pantheons, that the Indian Indic regions had theirantheons
of gods. The North Americas and the South Americans had
their own pantheons of gods, and they're not all talking
about the same angels. They're talking about sets of nine
of the two hundred originals, you know, came down or

(50:14):
doing their own thing or working together for the same agenda,
and they all came down and mated with the humans
and created offspring, and they all have their own myths
and legends for each region that are wholly unique to
those regions, and they have their own esthetical ways of
describing it in their own artwork styles. To depict them
with their own whatever resources they have in their region
is how you find their esthetical differences appear. But do

(50:37):
you break it down to just the archtypical similarities. It's
always the same, always the same story, always the same visage.
And that's how we can know that the Bible is true.
What it said happened really did happen. But everyone's so
in their own cultures. They think their stories are unique
and special to them alone, and they've made sacred cows
out of them. When I come along saying now it's

(50:59):
not that special. So like, who's this white guy out there,
this colonial list out there spitting on my tradition. It's like, no, no, no, no,
I'm spitting on all traditions, including the Celtic traditions. They're
all the same. This is not about race, this is
not about specialized cultures. This is just simply about the
truth a bit of human history that I'm talking about here.
Don't take it personally. Don't take it personally. You know,
you need to let to separate yourself from these stories.

(51:22):
And I think the Bible contextualizes it in a way
that transcends all of it. I think it really puts
it in its place, and we can finally know who
we are and where we come from. What's going on
when you take biblical history into account to explain where
these creatures came from in every culture's mythologies. That's why
the first half of my book, the first ten chapters,

(51:42):
is just Biblical history. It's like an abridged version of
the whole thing to get the foundation laid. So when
I start going on about my theory, you understand what
context I'm coming that this is from, you know, And
I think it's true. Think that. I think it's all true,
Like the Bible is one pc real human history from
start to finish, including the Book of Enok. I think

(52:04):
it is. So I went off of one thing. I'm
sorry I do that. I went off again. I'm back
Schultze and no.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
It's totally fine, man. I like, I'd really enjoy you talking.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
And actually the less I talk the better, because I
think I don't think people listen for me.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I think people listen to hear the guests talk.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
So, yeah, you were.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
When you were talking about how the celebrities and all
this stuff dress up and make up it. I think
they call it peacocking, which is interesting because it ties
into that feathered serpent kind of idea with the feathers
spanned out as well.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
But I had a friend man who.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Funny enough, he grew up in the same town where
the Bishopville Lizardman is in South Carolina here in the
United States, and he told me that he had an
interaction with this entity one time that was very colorful,
and he's like, I don't really know how to describe it.
It was it had He was describing it as a
coat and it had like lots of feathers and colors

(52:58):
on it and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
So again that kind of goes back to that idea of.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
What you were saying, how when people would see this
manifestation of you know, the seraphim mixing with the humans,
it would have some kind of a crazy look to it.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh yeah, But doesn't the intent matter too? I mean,
because a lot of this stuff if people believe that
they are worshiping a good entity, like I mean, I
mean that from a completely Like I believe you what
you're saying about the Bible as well. I believe in
that same concept and that same idea. But do if
people are looking at this from their culture and be like, no,

(53:33):
that's good and we do good behind it is? It
doesn't the intent matter there as well? I feel like
the intent can give breath to something, whether it's nigger,
because I say a lot of bad words, right, Whenever
I say bad words, they're not they aren't typical, Like
I'm not using them to hurt someone. I'm just using
them as an expression of something. So doesn't intent matter

(53:56):
at some point too? Like if you're dressing up as
a clown just to be a clown at the kid's
birthday party, you wouldn't necessarily be, you know, channeling some
kind of a demonic entity intentionally, so it would be
like you have to invite him in almost like the
like the vampires at the door kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Yeah, he does. And this is something I've struggled to answer,
to be honest, because it's a bit of this and
a bit of that, it seems. I think there's plenty
of examples where people are ignorantly dressing like clowns and
there's consequences that happen that they wouldever probably connect. Maybe
the death of Heath Ledger could be a good example

(54:37):
of this. You know, he played he put on the
skin of a nephilim and fully embodied the joker and
everything it stood for. And he clearly, everyone says he
basically went insane, you know. And obviously he died of
a drug overdose and the rest of it, and there's
lots of stories behind how that happened. It's a tragedy,
but there's no doubt it affected his psyche in a
big way, absolutely no doubt whatsoever. You read his diary,

(55:00):
his father released his diary recently when he was playing
that role, and the scribblings in there are the ramblings
of the insane, you know, and he's clearly so into
it that it affected him in a big, big way.
So I think I think ignorance or not. Like I'm
starting to think it really doesn't matter what your intentions are.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
No.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
The role to Hell's paved with them, all the good,
all the good intentions. And I think there's sometimes as Christians,
we don't like to do this because it seems a
lot of bit, you know, rough, but we have to
draw the line somewhere, and we can't all be right, unfortunately.
And just because you mean well when you celebrate the

(55:39):
Day of the Dead, let's say in Mexico or something
you know, or you you mean well, when you take
part in that ancient traditional ritual that your your village
has always done for thousands of years, it's kind of like, well,
I don't think that matters to the demons. I really
don't think they care what your intentions are. I think

(56:01):
the physical and the spiritual world is so intimately connected
that when you dress like something, it's tacit agreement. Whether
you like it or not, or know it or not,
You're you're mirroring something and you're making it easier for
them to get into you. And I know people don't
want to hear this. I really don't think your intentions matter.
I really don't mind. All the evidence is telling me no,

(56:22):
it doesn't because you have this other issue. It's kind
of like some cultures, well, we dress this way to
scare the spirits away. It's like I'm worrying this to
symbolize that, like a demon already owns this place. So
when another demon turns up and sees me dressed like this,
it thinks there's already a demon here. I can't do this,

(56:44):
so they flee from the region. It's kind of like
this is their domain. I need to go find somewhere
where there's no dominion yet. So I we're tricking the
demons into staying away from us, into not ruining our
rituals and our sacred spaces. We dress like the demons
as like a protection hallisman to ward them off, you know.
And that's apotropic cultures that believe that's what they're doing.

(57:06):
Then you get these other cultures like the Fame in India,
which is ancient tradition which people say even predates Hinduism itself,
you know, and they dress in this wild, crazy demonic
looking visage. Colorful orange makeup, rosy red cheeks, red nose,
massive fang sticking up here, wild eyes, painted on, you know,
massive elaborate headdress is made of gold, and they go

(57:27):
around with these weird looking mouthpieces on. They have massive
flapping mouths, and they jump through fire, and everyone's coming
up to them and giving them chickens, and they're ripping
their head off the chicken and drinking the blood straight
from the neck and smothering themselves and doing this crazy
ritual every year to make sure the demon enters their body.
And then the village gathers around and asks sick questions

(57:49):
and asks for solutions to problems and wants the shaman
to be possessed so they can get stuff from it. Okay,
so who's right. Is it the person and dressing like
the demon to be possessed or is the person dressing
like the demon to scare them away. I don't think
it can be both. I don't think it can be both.
I think that makes no sense when logically speaking, I

(58:12):
don't think your intention impacts it whatsoever. And I'm going
to go off the one that's been possessed the correct
one personally, because as evidence for that, there's no evidence
that you're warding anything away. When you're dressed that thing.
You just think that's what's happening. But was the proof
a demon could just not get involved to make you
think that's what's going on. But really it doesn't affect
it at all, or that it is power in any way,

(58:33):
or it's autonomy, you know. And I think it would
like you to think you're warding get away. I think
it would be useful for it, as long as you're
not doing calling on Christ, do your little dance and
think that you're keeping me away. Great, more power to me,
more delusion to you, you know. Meanwhile, I'm going to
go enter this body over here because this guy's dressing
like me. It's kind of I feel like we have

(58:55):
to be we have to grow up about this. I'm sorry.
I really don't think we have any authority over them
unless we're you using the authority in the name of
Jesus Christ. I think that's the that's our problem. And
I think any anything that gives the illusion of that
is false. I think it's I don't think it's true.
You get like good shamans and bad shamans, for example,

(59:15):
in like a lot of American Indian cultures, and you
can go both ways. You can work with the spirits
to heal people, or you can work with spirits to
kill people. And often you'll need the help of a
good sharman to fight off the curses of a bad
charman who said a demon after you to kill you
and make you sick. You know what I mean. It's
kind of the only that's the only exactly like I

(59:36):
think we're intentions being used, but it's not it's either way.
It's not good either way because you're still working with demons.
You know, the demons are still happy in a body,
getting what they want, getting what, getting satiated and getting fulfilled.
So I think there's a lot of illusions. I think
there's a lot of lies out there. I think it's
a lot of doctrines of devils which keep people trapped
into that that transactional relationship, that symbiotic or parasitical relationship

(01:00:00):
they crave so much, But as soon as you get
Christianity involved, they show their true colors. They flee. They
get you're in trouble then, and their rituals are readered useless.
You know, it's gone. The power is gone because they
have no real authority over you or real power. Once
Christ is in the room and wherever you are, you

(01:00:23):
have his authority gifted to you by him through his
sacrifice as a Christian, as a believer. So they're in
trouble and they know that. So it's kind of I
don't really don't think. I don't think your intention matters.
I think you can be a good person, you know,
and still live in these cultures. I think that's true.
You can love your children, love your mother, love your father,

(01:00:44):
your wife, and have a simple life and so forth,
and do these rituals because his tradition, and you can
be a relatively good person on the surface. But Jesus
basically not one person will make a heaven, but through him,
not one person is actually good. We're all sinners. We're
all in trouble, you know, all of us. And unless
you've actually accepted his sacrifice and professed with your mouth

(01:01:05):
that He came in the flesh, you are Antichrist, and
you are not saved. Whether you were a good person
or not, it's not about that. It's about the corruption,
the sin, the sin that we all have. No sin
is greater than the other, you know. And I don't
think there's anybody who hasn't sinned in this world. And
broken the law of God. So you might have good intentions,

(01:01:26):
but you still broke the law. So you're still going
where a righteous judge can send you, because if you
break the law, there's no exceptions for that. He has
to judge you accordingly. And that is well, we call
it hell or a distance from God or whatever you
want to define that. As you know, only a righteous
judge can do that, And luckily he gave us a

(01:01:47):
way to avoid that, but through his son, Jesus Christ
and his sacrifice, because not one person can make it
there without sacrifice, without his blood covering you in that
final judgment. And you know, I made a bit about
this recent. Are we really that innocent? Anybody? Any one
of us? When you really think about it. We like
to delude ourselves into thinking, well, I'm a good person,

(01:02:08):
but are we really like we fall short every single
day And it's kind of like if we want to
believe God is good, then we deserve judgment for the
bad things we did. You know, a good God is
just and fair. That means punishing people when they break
the law. But when we do it, oh, it's cruel.
When he judges me for my trans transgression of the law.

(01:02:30):
Then he's just an evil, cruel, vindictive prison keeper. It's
like you can't pick and choose. If you want to
just righteous God, then all humanity gets judged accordingly, fairly,
and if we've all fallen short and broken the law,
that we all deserve the punishment. So so I don't again,
I don't think it matters. Your attention doesn't matter, Like
it's not nice, people don't want to hear it. But

(01:02:51):
maybe your culture's traditions are not of God, and that's
a problem. There's a reason why Christianity ripped through the
earth through the Dark Ages onwards, and many people converted.
Many of these countries I'm talking about are predominantly Christian today,
but still have these sects in these traditions carrying on
in small cultures within the countries and the continents that

(01:03:14):
continue these old practices. So it's not like it's a monolith,
you know what I mean. Like Christianity is rife everywhere,
like even in like the nun of the cultures in
the northern regions, I think like seventy percent of the
population is Christian, but there are still these smaller pockets
of the populations that still practice these ancient traditions, and
these are where we get echoes of the past, of

(01:03:35):
what it was like before Christ, of what the demons
were doing when they were venerated. It's kind of like
a continuation of these traditions, and we kind of like
in the modern world, we make them national heritage things
and protect them. To protect these cultural heritage traditions, it's
kind of that sounds nice on the surface. I get it,

(01:03:55):
But are you in at the end of the day
just protecting demonic ruals? Do you get what I means?
We have to really grow up at having these conversations
about it if two people are too personally attached to
these things, and Christ at the end of the day
came to detach you from all of it. The world,
the world as it is, His kingdom is not of

(01:04:17):
this world. All of these strictions are of the world,
and we're called to be separate from it. So that's
kind of my overall answer, Like, I don't think your
intentions matter. I really don't. People really don't want to
hear that. All the wizards and the magicians out there
think they're so smart and clever, really don't want to
hear that either want to think they have some power
and control over these things to their own power and

(01:04:40):
knowledge and authority. They have no authority without Christ behind them,
they have nothing. And I think they are being lied
to if they think they do. I think they're being
messed around big time. So that that's my answer in
a long winded answer where it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Taking it back to and then we probably need to
wrap it up here soon. Man, I got shown other
engagements and so do you. So I appreciate your time.
When I mean you go back to the psychic psychedelic stuff,
do you think that it just kind of goes to
the intent thing a little bit too? You kind of
open your door, like if you do psychedelics and you

(01:05:19):
go into.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
That realm, whatever that realm is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
And to me, it's to me, it's kind of like
this energetic world of frequency, if you will, and you're
almost like a you know, like it's kind of like
a dream state. You have a channel a remote control
and you're kind of just flipping through the channels of
it and you land and whatever frequency that is. But
when you go there, you're kind of to me, it's
like the forbidden fruit, right, you take it and you

(01:05:44):
go and you get you access knowledge from some entities.
A lot of people go and they see these entities
over there and they get you know, egoic transformations or
you know, they have all these different ideas, like a
lot of artists like you mentioned earlier, like led Zeppelin,
for example.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
I think Robert Plant was kind of he said that
he was just kind.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Of channeling something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
He didn't know where the information was coming from. I
think Einstein even said something about like he just saw
something in his mind and he was kind of writing,
it's almost like channeling. Do you think that you're kind
of opening the door for demons when you go do
these kinds of things to allow them into your vessel?
Because I know it's it's the same way with Christ.
You have to let Christ into your heart, you have
to welcome him into your home. And even Jesus said,

(01:06:28):
if you, you know, take this, if you tell the
spirits to get out, then your house is going to
be clean and all this other stuff. But if you
don't fill it with love and light, then in the
Holy Spirit, then you are going to get seven times
more demons. I guess you could say so. I guess
my point is, or my question is, do you think
that you are opening yourself up to demonic activity when

(01:06:51):
you do psychedelics and things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
Yeah, well, I think it's about contracts. I think it's
about spiritual contracts primarily. And yeah, you are, in a
sense making a contract with Christ when you say to him,
I'm going to follow your ways, I'm going to follow
your laws, and I'm going to accept the free gift
you've offered me as a as a way to, you know,
be free from the law in a sense, you know,
or at least not burdened to buy the law anymore.

(01:07:15):
The law still exists, it still stands. It's eternal, don't
get me wrong. But it's on him now. His sacrifice
was enough to cover you for the transgressions of such laws,
you know. And that's a contrasts a deal, and you know,
and you have to accept the deal. You have to
accept it, you know, sign on the diidline that Okay,
I'm a slave for Jesus now in a sense, you know,

(01:07:36):
and you agree to that. So I do think in
many ways, the rules of the spiritual realm, the contractual,
the legal side of it. All the demons follow the rules.
I think they know the law very well, you know.
And I think they do play, especially Satan. Satan definitely.
I don't think Satan's ever broken the law. Like this

(01:07:58):
is how clever he is, you know, I mean, he
knows what he's doing essentially, you know, like he's not
an idiot. He'll make you do it. He'll convince you
to go and break the law. He won't do it himself.
He's not that dumb, you know. But that's kind of
the trick that's always been played on humanity. You know.
He makes us transgress the law on the doing himself.
He tempts us to do these things. And I think
when you are in the spirit realm, we're called to

(01:08:22):
test the spirits. That's kind of what we're told to do, Like,
don't assume every spirit that comes to is benevolence has
your best interest at heart. Basically, test it and ask
you who Jesus is, and if it denies Christ they
came in the flesh, then it's of Antichrist. So so
we've been giving these basic rules to how to interpret
and test spirits. You know, do they deny Christ came

(01:08:43):
in the flesh and died for us since resurrected or not?
And you'll find it's a say to you, well, you know,
Christ is more like a form of mind. It's kind
of like a consciousness that we're all trying to attain.
Then you've got an antichrist liar on your hands here.
That entity is on your friend, Okay, it's lying to you.
And I think that in terms of demons, they don't
care about the law. They break it all the time.

(01:09:05):
I think the angels are a bit different, but I
think the demons are already the hell bound in the sense,
you know what I mean, there's nothing to it for them.
I don't think they have any issue lying to you
and and just getting in your body, whether you like
it or not. I think, I really do think they
they're like the highwaymen of the spiritual realm. They don't care.

(01:09:28):
They'll rob your blind and kill you. Then they don't care.
There's no whether you've signed a contract or not. It's
kind of like you play with fire, you get burned,
type of situation. You don't have to make a deal
with the fire. First. You know it's gonna it's gonna
burn you whether you like it or not. It's kind
of like cancer. It's going to kill you, spread and
kill you, whether you make a deal or not. You know,
it's sometimes it just happens and it's just a bad

(01:09:48):
situation to be in. And I think demons are that
the epitome of that, a bad situation to be in
and nothing good to be around. So I think it's
a little bit of this and a little bit of
that depends what entities come to you with the DMT
real and I think we're called to test the spirits,
and I think when it comes to the jesters, they
are specifically the sons of the angels, you know what
I mean, and human women. I think there are other

(01:10:11):
entities in the DMT realm that aren't Nephelim necessarily. I
think there's precedents to say that there are humans who
mutated themselves in the early days and became hybridized creatures,
mutants x men. They used to be men, you know.
I think that they may end up there once they're dead.
They may have given up the contractual right, but when

(01:10:33):
they rewrote the DNA, they're no longer made in the
image of God, and they're no longer compassible with Heaven.
So the stuck here on Earth. Now, it's kind of
like this, you broke the rules, you suffer the consequences.
So it's possible they're also there in this DMT realm,
in many in many shapes and sizes and forms. But
I think that the specific ones are the neph of them.
I think they lie to people all the time, and

(01:10:54):
they're always telling people different stories about who they are
and what they are. And read the trip reports, you know,
they'll tell you, oh, yeah, you know, we're in two
dimensional creatures, or we're a reflection of your collective psyche
of humanity, or we're here to teach you how to
transcend out of your body and lose your ego or
something like this. And there is nothing more egotistical than
thinking you've lost your ego. I'm sorry. Like that's a

(01:11:16):
synoxymoron through and through. It's it's such a feeding off
our pride type of lie, you know, like I'm special
now because I don't have an ego anymore. It's kind
of like that makes me better than you, which is egotistical,
a horrible there's a horrible cycle to be in. It's
not a good look and it's cringey, you know. And
but I think when it comes to permissions that I

(01:11:38):
think that's the wrong language. I think it's contracts. I
think it's deals. And the good thing is about Christ
is you can break and destroy those spiritual contracts if
you make them like you can. I think the hat
I've I've kind of theorized that the hat man is
like because he's very different. He's not a clown, he's
not a nephilim. I don't know what he is. If
some people think he's the devil or something, but I

(01:12:00):
think it's more like an accountant or a lawyer for
the for the spirit realm. He goes around making sure
that the contracts are fulfilled or up to date, or
you know that you're fulfilling your end of the bargain.
Is that type of guy. He goes around, he's just
like doing the busy work, the paperwork for the for
the for the contracts that being created for demons all
over the place. You know. Now, the thing is you

(01:12:22):
can make a contract with a demon. I think the
demon will break it still even if you made a contract.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
But in a.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Way, I suppose it's more evidence against you in the
in the final court, the Great White through and judgment
that you have your signature, your tacit agreement on a
piece of paper or a contract with a demon, you
know what I mean. But you uphold your end of
the bargain. Doesn't mean the demon will. I think that's
the problem with it. There's a lot of lies and
deceptions about the whole situation that I think they do
make contracts to guilt you into thinking you have to

(01:12:51):
keep keep it up. But the iron is, the great
truth is, the wonderful thing is the good news is
that that contract is void. Immediately you're a child of God.
They do not own you, they didn't, They have no
jurisdiction over you whatsoever. It's an illusion. It's a lie,
you know. And you can break that spiritual contract like

(01:13:12):
that and walk away, and you could don't have to
keep it your under the bargain either. You're not obligated,
you know, spiritually contractually obligated, because that contract is no
the void from the beginning, because it's rooted in lies
and deception and you know, your due compensation. I'll say,
it's that kind of thing. So it's got this is
it's it's it's tricky, you know, it's a spiritual warfare

(01:13:33):
is complicated. Vicky jo Anderson talks a lot about this
whole contractual element of it all. But I do think
they they play the legal game, but they have no
legal standing. So it's kind of it's very clever. It's
an illusion, the very the very tricky creatures, pure jokers
to pure gesters when you really think about it, you know,
the tricksters.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yeah, listen, I'm a Christian, so I think obviously I
think the same thing as well. I know that there
are a lot of people out there who believe that
they're really talking with Pleadians and the Council of Light
and all these other things. Like I personally think that
all of that is complete nonsense, and that's the devil,
you know, trying to convince them that they are angels
of light and all.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
This other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
But we're kind of dropped off here on this planet
with the only guidebook we have is the Bible. So
how do people find out about Jesus that don't have
any I mean, they're just dropped off with no armor,
no other.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Than the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Right, But again, we're not You and I have the
Bible because we were born into Christian countries, but they
don't have that in Papua New Guinea, you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Where there's people living in the jungle still, So how
do we arm ourselves against this kind of deception? And
you know, sort of, why would we not have something
like other than our gut and our intuition. Why would
we not have something that would help us get along
in this in this in this reality will help us

(01:14:55):
know Christ better.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
I think in this time after the New Covenant is
that the law's written on our hearts. And I think
that is for all those people who don't have access
to Bibles too. I think we all now know what
is the law and when we're sinning and try when
we transgress the law, which is why I think Christianity
spread so quickly when it did spray, when people do

(01:15:18):
reach these tribes, because they finally realize this makes sense.
I know this to be true. It's on my heart
that this is true. I know the law, and I
know what we're doing is in some way not the
way it should be, and it pulls them to it.
You know. I think a fair and righteous judge will
look upon the people who didn't have access to a
Bible and will be able to have mercy. You know,

(01:15:41):
that's how it works. And I don't know that's up
to him. That's not up to me. It's not up
to me, you know, it's up to God the day
whether he judges righteously or not on these people who
never had a chance to hear the Word through written
text format. But I think the Word, or at least
the law of God is written on our hearts. So
in a way, that's the way to have a relationship
with Jesus Christ, because you know, the Word of God

(01:16:03):
is Jesus, it's not a book. You have to remember that.
And Jesus Christ is a supernatural being. You know. I
believe in a supernatural God. I believe in a supernatural
existence and a supernatural son of God and the rest
of it. It's not just like a matter. Wasn't just
a man or a powerful figure. He can raise the dead,
you know, he was a supernatural. He walked on water,

(01:16:24):
you know, he stopped the storm.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
He did.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
He has power, you know, real power over the earth.
And I think he can come to those people in
those isolated places and have a relationship with them with
or without an ink on paper. So I have faith.
I'm not worried about those people. I think they're probably okay.
I'm sure God is doing whatever he needs to do
with those people in whatever way necessary. I'm sure he

(01:16:48):
will reveal himself to them when needed in his own
time and has nothing to do with us, Like that's
kind of how I was, you know, And that's okay
by me. That's okay. We're blessed that were We are
in a Christian nation and you know we have access
to the written word. Absolutely, But I, as somebody who

(01:17:09):
was not raised a Christian, my first relationship with Jesus
came not necessary through the book with your experience that
led me to the word after the fact. So I
think you can do that to anybody, any word, no
matter where you are on the earth. So I'm not
I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
And listen, if you don't have Jesus in your life,
I'd like to invite you to accept Jesus into your
heart right now since we're talking about it, because I
think that's the most important relationship you can have in
your life.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
But I think we should rap it, go ahead and
ended on that. Man, I gotta hit out.

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I got a Little League baseball game the coach, and
I'm sure you got many more podcasts, especially with Halloween
coming up here in sixteen days. I'm sure you've got
a lot of people want to talk about clown masks
and all this other stuff.

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So sure, go ahead and let.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
The folks know one more time where they can find
yet man, and we'll go ahead and land this bird.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
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See you can't miss it. I also have another channel
called Understanding Creativity. There's the logo. Go check that out
as well. There's lots of extra stuff on their art
based conspiracy research is quite interesting. And yeah, just if
you want a book, go to Amazon for the neflim
look like Clowns or Audible for the audiobook as well.
And that's where I am. Come and find me, come

(01:18:18):
and join.

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Me, and.

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It's music's turn to oubsession. Upsish. I got a long
way to go to ease my family. My clothes soaking
with big some sweat and the ring going happen, say
having saying, oh wish, and I can change all my mistakes,
but y'all be half done the fall out and mean

(01:19:23):
the things that I saw Louser Natan.

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From the outer hall. But now I can stop my
own fall. I gotta stand.

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the church here sold.

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to see my soul.

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
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news and control.

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about the men a rest.

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still a miss to reap a mess that ever.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
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Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
But I won't stop what out of find I won't
give it won't give. So I'm gonna sit down right
head break, and that's the lord above the help and
change my way.

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Rection to the break, you can love me.

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health be?

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Oh, can your health be?

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Im?

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a control.

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show me the.

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Take money, show me the wig.

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I'm standing at.

Speaker 9 (01:21:21):
This I don't know when to my news A control
trying not to seal my soul.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
I'm standing at the crossos hoone. I don't know where
to go.

Speaker 9 (01:21:36):
I know's a control, trying not to sell so but
I'm standing at the gross.

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I don't know when to my news A control trying
not to seal my soul.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I'm standing at.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
The crossos hoone. I don't know where you go. I
know's a control.

Speaker 9 (01:21:59):
I'm trying to act the sales soul's destins

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