Popculture Parallels Vol. 2: Val Kilmer, 80s Movies, The Real Brat Pack, Teen Comedies, & Torpedo Bats w/ Cody Tucker

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Speaker 2 (01:06):
All right, folks, we're back with another episode of the
Awakened podcast. I'm your host Brad Leale, and joining me
on the show today for his second appearance on the
show is Cody Tucker from The Cody Tucker Show. Cody,
thanks for joining me, man.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
How are you? I'm great, man, Thanks for having me
back then looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
So, for those who don't know, by the way, could
you introduce yourself to this a little bit and tell
everyone a little bit more about yourself. For those who
don't know, Cody has a very popular Instagram with almost
a million followers now where he talks about celebrities and
all these all these other like I could just watch
one the other day you did on Nickelodeon. I had
no idea that the name Nickelodeon came from nickel theaters.

(01:47):
That's pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, so like an odio, I mean movie theaters
before they were called movie theaters were called odions. It's
based on the Greek word that means like an enclosed
theater basically, you know, because obviously Antient Greece was all
those open like amphitheaters, and then you know, in the
early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, those
odions cost a nickel. It costs five cents to get in,

(02:12):
so they were called nickel odiens. And then that's where
you know, obviously comes goes from there. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
but no, so yeah, I just do like little videos
like that on book, Instagram, YouTube, you know, YouTube shorts
as well, all kinds of like history pop culture. And
then have a podcast as well at The Kody Tucker Show,

(02:36):
where I just talked to interesting people. Sometimes do episodes
just kind of solo by myself, but otherwise, yeah, I
just talked to random, interesting, awesome people. Yeah, that's about it.
Got a book coming out pretty soon, which I don't
have a date yet, but it will be most likely

(02:56):
towards the beginning of next month, the beginning of May.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
What's that going to be about.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
So taking those those reels, you know, those little short
videos and basically just turning it into like book form,
taking all of them, or pretty much all of them,
adding a little bit to each one, because you know,
you have to kind of like shorten them to keep
them under that like minute time restraint. So a lot
of the times there's stuff that I have to like

(03:23):
cut out because I'm like, oh damn, it won't it
won't fit in sixty seconds. So this will be like
taking that, you know, those extra bits of information, putting
them into the stories, and then just putting all those
stories into one big book. So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So do you still do comedy at all?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Or No? I haven't done. I haven't done set up
in a long long time. I man, I've been one.
I want to get back into it so bad. It's
just like I don't know, I got like a weird
little spell of agoraphobia, like for the past couple of years,
just like don't even want to leave the house, and

(04:03):
so going on stage in front of people sounds like
a nightmare. But I'll get back there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, it just seems like you're you're in Texas, right, Yeah,
So like right, down the Road is like Kill Tony
and it's the whole Austin scene with Rogan and all
them in the comedy scene. Seems like you would be
a perfect fit to like pop in on Kill Tony
and just make an appearance.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know what, I would love to I mean I've yeah,
I've I've talked to Tony a couple of times. A
very nice fella. Yeah, I would love to like do
something like that. I mean, it's funny. How like down
the Road in Texas is like five hours, Like Austin's
like a five hour drive for me, which is decently

(04:48):
short compared to like a lot of Texas Like, yeah,
it's it's uh, I guess not really too far. But
I will be going to Austin towards the beginning of
next month as well, so I'll be down there for
a little bit it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
But yeah, yeah, So how do you think doing shit?
Like obviously you're you have almost a million followers, Like
I said, you're in front of people all the time.
Why is it different being in front of people? It
seems like it would be harder, Like I could you
mentioned doing solo shows. I have the hardest time in
the world just pointing, you know, opening the camera. I'm
just looking into it and talking. How in the world

(05:23):
can you do something like that but then have a
gorephobia where you're you don't want to leave the house,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Like, I mean, well, because I'm in the house while
I'm doing those videos, like I mean, I'm not I
don't have to leave you And and just like talking
on the camera, I don't really mind because I can
just babble on and on and on, and you know,
as far as I'm concerned, nobody's even watching. I don't,
you know, I kind of just don't care. I'm just
sort of just talking about whatever the hell comes comes up.

(05:50):
And I mean the podcast itself is just me basically
just going over what's going on, like you know, like
the little short videos are basically like the past. It's
all like history, you know, pop culture, but it's you know,
pop culture trivia, so it's like, you know, way back.
And then the podcast is more just like current events
type stuff and then just rambling about however the hell's

(06:12):
going on, how I'm feeling, what I'm doing, and you know,
what's going on in the world. But yeah, I don't
only mine just talking clearly.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Now that you have like a level of fame where
I mean, dude, a million people is a huge, huge
platform to have you probably you're probably along the lines
of like you know, bon Jovi and these characters now
online where you have like a huge follow. I mean
it sounds silly, right because you know what, you don't
have this, like, you don't have like a forty year

(06:45):
history of music behind you. Yeah, and yet you're still
closing in on some of these guys. How has life
changed for you since you started getting all this people
started noticing you, I guess.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean, so like when I do leave the house,
I do get recognized sometimes, not not much. I mean
it's not like a yeah, I'm not having a fucking
like call a restaurant ahead of time to clear clear
it out. But I know I do get like recognized
every once in a while. And that's a crazy feeling
because I'm not I don't I mean, I'm not like

(07:19):
used to it because, like I said, doesn't happen that much.
But when it does, I always think it's like I
get defensive at first because I'm like, wait, why are
you coming up to me? Like I don't know who
you are, like, where are you coming up to me?
And then they're like, of course, it's like saying something
nice like oh like and then like I immediately feel like
it's just like a weird It's like, you know, they say,

(07:40):
like imposter syndrome. That's kind of how it feels. Yeah,
I don't understand why, I like how any of this
has happened, because I'm just I don't know. I didn't
expect it to. I wasn't really doing it too get
much attention. I just like doing it, like I like
telling stories from like I have. You know, my head

(08:01):
is full of just random bits of trivia. Yeah, I
did not think. I guess I didn't know that people
also enjoyed trivia as much as I do.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Dude, you must kick ass at Applebee's trivia on Thursday nights.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, actually, yeah I do, all right, I did.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
We did what's the what's the game called Man Apples
and Apples? Yeah, yeah, Apples Apple. I can't remember which
game was playing with my family, and I was just
like kicking tailing it. And it's like I'm not like
super great and I'm definitely no where near the level
of your understanding of connections. And all these things, but
like I think I'm pretty decent at it. When I
I surprised people I came there was a question and

(08:43):
it was like what TV character from the seventies blah
blah blah, and I said, Cagney and Lacy. I didn't
even know where that came from, and just like I
just knew it somehow, right, I guess it's from forty
years of just watching television and movies and things like
that and just knowing it in the back of my mind.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So yeah, I mean it's there, like it's in your
brain somewhere. It's just whether or not it gets pulled
out at the right time. Like that's the like, that's
what I think, like because I don't consider myself to
be just like a very like intelligent person, you know,
for the most part, like I think, I mean, I
think maybe I guess decently smart in some ways, but

(09:18):
I'm more so just think of myself as like I
just have like a really good memory and like fast recall,
which which you know it's just yeah, like I don't.
I mean, I guess it is a skill, but I
don't really think about it as being a skill. I

(09:39):
just but it gets confused for intelligence, which kind of
sucks because then people think you're you're you're smarter than
you are. I have to like kind of remind me
like I'm not, like I'm not the person to ask
about politics like that. I don't know what's going on
in the world. I don't care really what's going on
in the world. Uh in that sense, I like like

(10:00):
more like entertainment shit than I do. Like, yeah, I'm not. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
When you when you find stuff like nickelodeon, Like, how
do you just do you just sit down and write
out topics, Like the word nickelodeon just comes to your
head and you're like, let me look into that real quick.
How does something like that even come about?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
That's one way. So I'll so for like word origins
because a lot of the videos are like dedicated to
like word origins. Oh, this is gonna sound like I
don't know if I have autism or not. I think
I might have a little touch of it. I will live.
I'll go to dictionary dot com and just start it,

(10:39):
start a page one, and any word that comes up
that sounds like interesting, you know, on dictionary dot com,
like it'll tell you like the etymology of the word,
so which I guess the dictionary. I don't know. I
haven't open a dictionaryes so it's three year probably third grade.
But on the website of well, so I'll just like

(11:01):
see a words, I'll see Nickelodeon and I'm like, huh,
I wonder what they're where that came from? And then
read that them all if it's into and then you know,
nine times out of ten it's not even interesting or
it's like very obvious, so it's like eh. But then
every once in a while you'll find one like that
We're like, oh, like that's there. We go like migrain
or you know, like there's like certain words that yeah,

(11:24):
they just like they have interesting origins. Malaria, Like malaria
is a good one. Disaster, agoraphobia.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Have you looked at yet and seen.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, look the no, but I mean I can kind
of piece it together. I mean, so like phobia is
obviously the Greek word meaning fear, and then agora it
just means like a large crowd or crowd, I mean,
because that's what they're like markets are called agoras, so
it's just the fear of a crowd. Yeah. Interesting, look
a racknophobia, fear spiders, a rakna. It comes from a Rackney.

(11:56):
A Rackney was a Greek goddess who uh just like
attacked by a spider or like was changed into a
spider or something like that. Whatever the hell. The Greeks
were doing a lot of up to no good for
the most part. But yeah, so that's why you know
a rack nid is spider.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, I have this. You probably have the same
sort of intelligence level as me in terms of like
you just make connections pretty easy, or like you can
kind of see it in your mind mapped out like
a spider web almost, and like speaking of arachnophobia, right,
it's like you can kind of map it out in
your mind and then when you start like going into it,

(12:36):
you're connecting a lot more dots and things like that.
You're just kind of confirming it once you look it up, right,
I mean that was pretty good just pulling it off
your head. Like a rachnophobia and agoraphobia. I mean, those
are words that are just you know, it's not like
easy to just break those words down, the etymology of
those words. So clearly you've been doing this for a
while too, and you probably get the muscle memory of
like like you know the word los, what los means

(12:59):
or whatever the is, and so you can kind of,
you know, put two and two together. I'm pretty bad
about that, but I do, like I said, I recognize
the patterns and things, which is I think it's a skill.
It's a it's a level of intelligence by itself, you know,
because I can quickly see things ahead of time. What's
going to happen next, and what's going to happen next,
and what's going to happen next.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I'm with you, Yeah, yeah, So I definitely have good
like pattern recognition. Yeah, and I can like fill in
the blanks on a pattern like pretty quick. Like that
was always like a thing where I remember in school
there would be like a test where you know, it
would have like a question would it would have like
three numbers a blank and then two more numbers and
you have to say what number goes in that blank?

(13:40):
You know, because you're basically just finding the pattern between
those numbers, and people just could not figure it out.
And I like it just that that type of stuff
came super quick to me where I could just look
at it go, oh, yeah, it's blank, because you know,
and where you working backwards and all this stuff, but
other stuff like like uh you know al and stuff

(14:00):
like that. Can't couldn't grasp it could either couldn't you
stand it? I I can't like plug in formulas like that.
I don't. I just don't get it. Like my brain
like it's just doesn't work that way. But like seeing
a pattern or like critical thinking like in that sense,
like yeah I could, I could get that pretty well.

(14:21):
And then just so yeah, like memory recall just like
reading something and remembering it like pretty vividly. No obviously
not like photographic memory or anything like that, but and
like a very very rudimentary version of of photographic memory
kind of because I can kind of like close my

(14:41):
eyes and picture like a like what I read. So
I guess that isn't a sense that but yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well I've seen you. You've had some pretty cool celebrities
on your show, The Cody Tucker Show. Like, so you
did an interview with Exhibit and Mark Norman and U
I think you had Greg Greg fits always want to
say Fit Simmons Greg fitz Simmons on there, Yeah, is
there like a dream interview for you? Like is there

(15:10):
somebody like that you really want to talk to you
that you haven't got to talk to you yet.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Hmm. That's a good one. I mean there's a lot
of comedians I think would be fun. Louis c K
would be probably number one. He's also a big history buff.
So Shane Gillis as well, both like massive fans of history.

(15:35):
Like just so I think like you had k oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's he is super knowledgeable history. And Chade de Renna
I've had had de Renna's comic as well, and he's
a big history fan. Yeah, they're just kind of like
a weird like overlap, but like history com it's probably yeah, yeah,

(15:56):
that is kind of interesting. Yeah. That Brian Simpson on
as well, and he's a massive fan of history, so
yeah it's yeah, no, yeah, so Louis c K probably
sourts of like comics go.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
In general, like I haven't really had any actors except
for like you know, like Clifton Collins. I maybe a
couple of like it would be interesting, Like I would
love to have like a dream if it could be anybody,
probably like Nicholas Cage. Yeah, I feel like that would
be incredible. Key for Southern one also be a good one, dude,

(16:32):
I love.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
One of my favorite movies of all time is The
Lost Boys.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's one of my.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Favorite, dude saying, I mean, I can watch that movie
over and over. It's kind of weird too, because like
in the in the eighties as a kid, I was
watching a lot of horror movies. I mean it wasn't
like I mean I was watching everything. I was watching
Your Your Adventures and babysitting in Short Circuit and all
these movies as well, Never Ending Story. But I also
love the you know, the weird sci fi movies like

(16:58):
Fright Night and Name Right nowm Street and Monster Squad
and stuff like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
So yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, Rob Zombie would be
a good one too. Yeah, I probably have a lot
in common. Yeah, yeah, there's a.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Did he he did a lot, wasn't he involved with? Like, well, yeah,
he's done a lot of horror movies. He's done obviously
a lot of rock music. What's the name of the
porn start that he's always gotten his songs? Is it
Cherry something another? I can't remember, Maybe it's not cherry.
He's had some he's had some porn stars in his uh,

(17:34):
I can't remember who it is.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I know what you're talking about is can't Yeah, I'm
blanking on that one, and the memories failing me a little.
I should have knocked on the wood. My god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Have you ever been approached by any like networks or
anything to do to have to do your own show
for their network or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Uh? There was like a very very like in tree
level talk once about doing something like doing a well
how I pitched it was like, I don't know if
you remember watching those like shows on the History Channel,
the one that uh like I think Leonard Nimoy did

(18:14):
one and then came remember the other guy he was
also in Star Trek. He was in like Next Generation
where you know they would like kind of like be
in like a room or actually like Dan Gaine and
Ripley's Believe It or Not, where they're just walking through
a room and like telling a like kind of the
intro of a story and then it kicks into that story.
I kind of pitched something like along those lines of

(18:36):
like bringing back like a History Channel show or History
Channel format type show of just like interesting stuff. So
like basically taking like a lot of these stories, finding
like you know, ones that are similar, like in a
similar topic, mushing them together and just like making an
episode that's an episode, and its like doing about like

(18:59):
the Golden Age of Hollywood, like the that like the
dark side of the Golden Age of Hollywood, like one
about like Charles Manson's connection to Hollywood, like with all
those like with music and you know, and uh yeah
I pitched that and it like, you know, you get
the whole Oh it sounds great, like we're definitely gonna
do this blah blah blah, and then never hear back.

(19:22):
So who knows. I mean, I would like you.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, they didn't like take your idea and shelf it
or anything, did they.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
They could have, I mean, very easily could. It's not
like they're yeah there. I think a lot of those companies,
you know, are well pretty well known for doing stuff
like that to people, So it is possible.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But one of my I watched this show I don't
know they know the name of it. It was like,
I think it might have been a Netflix show. It
was like movies that almost didn't get made or something
like that. It was like talking about Ghostbusters and one
of my favorite movies, which sounds kind of weird. It
is Dirty Dance, and I think Dirty Dances was one
of the best eighties movies that doesn't get a lot
of love.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Dude, that's such a good movie. I'm with you. That's
a great vie.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, Jerry Orbach, it's the Dad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, well they they that was one of those movies
that were shelved. I believe they were just like thrown
out or something like that too into a big dumpster.
I don't remember the exact stories, so I'm probably jacking
it all up. But are there any What are your
favorite movies from that era that came out of there?
Because I just mentioned Ghostbusters that almost didn't get made
and Dirty Dance, and I mentioned Big Trouble, I mean

(20:34):
never never any story, and then I enjoyed shows like
Big Trouble in Little China. These are all like low
budget movies that, yeah, you know, barely got any funding.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
They live. That's one of my favorites. So that's kind
of that era, you know, Roddy Roddy Pipper and Keith David.
It was a John Carpenter movie, which is pretty much
any of John carpenter'srugs. Like I'm a huge fan of
I mean there's a little before that, but like Escape
from New York, Escape from La actually like a lot too,
but yeah, from like the eighties, mid to late eighties,

(21:04):
Predator Predators high up there. That's one of my favorites.
And then of course like all the well Young Guns,
Young Guns is I think was eighty eight. That's that's
another favorite of mine. And then of course like all
the John Hughes type things like Breakfast Club, Ferris Buehler,
sixteen Candles, pretty big, and then like Saint Elmo's Fire,

(21:27):
which obviously not John Hughes, I think it's Joel Schumacher,
but yeah, I love all of those. Like that's like, yeah,
that's such a great era for movies.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, it was, because it just seemed like there was
just a bunch of people just randomly made, you know,
like low budget movies that probably didn't cost a lot,
that did very well, and you know, there was always
it's always those. The movies I like the most were
like The Goonies and and Adventures of Babysitting and stuff
like that, because it was always like teenage It's kind

(22:00):
of how The Stranger Things took a page out of
that book, right, It was like kids, teenagers on adventures
and things like that. That's the kind of movies I
really enjoyed, you know as a kid, the never ending story.
Like I said, uh, weird science, all these kids, all
these movies, you know, and even even some of the
ones you mentioned, like Pretty in Pink and and all

(22:21):
those chick flicks like Say Anything and sixteen Candles and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
I love that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And my mom and I were having this debate one
day about like who was in the brat Pack, dude,
And I mean, she knows more than that is she's
you know, she was uh, you know, a teenager in
the eighties, so obviously she knows a little bit more
than I do. But there's always this debate on like
who was actually members of the brat Pack and you know,
and somebody mentioned Keith heer Setle. You just talked talked

(22:49):
about Keith, Yeah, the other one. I don't think he
actually was no brat Pack, but people.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
He spend any of those movies, That's what I'm saying,
any of the like, because there's only there's like a
handful of movies that are considered brat pack movies. It's
like Breakfast Club, Pretty and Paint sixteen Candles, sant Elmo's Fire.
That's it, really, I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, that's what I told her was the it defined
like those movies are in my mind what defined the
brat pack. But to her, she was saying it was this.
It was all of the teenagers of.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
The eighties pretty movies.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And I was like, well, that's what I said.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Because Jason Patrick was not in the brat pack. I mean,
there's there's a little bit of an overlap. You know,
there's like some people who were like Robert Downey Junior
is kind of an overlap because he was in Weird Science,
which is a John Hughes movie that had Anthony Michael Hall,
which is, you know, brat pack. But Robert Downeing Junior
is not the brat pack. He's like brad pack. There's

(23:50):
like brat pack adjacent actors and actresses. So like, yeah,
like you would have like, you know, Emelia Estevez and
Nony Michael Hall all, did Demi Moore Jenna Nelson.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't think Demi Moore because I don't ever remember
in any of the Yeah, I know that's true, I guess.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean that's the biggest that's the biggest brat Pack
movie the same Almost Fire. That's like, yeah, because that's
the one that the only one that has like all
of them in it at once, because it has like
Andrew McCarthy is in it, but she was in you know,
Pretty in Pink. But you know, but like Pretty in
Pink didn't have Rob Low or Judd Nelson, like it

(24:36):
didn't have Ally Sheedy. So like sand Almost Fire is
like the brat Pack movie. It's got all of those people,
except except it doesn't have Anthony Michael Hall, which or yeah. Yeah,
so so.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I usually I usually think of the brat Pack as like,
you know, sixteen Candles, Pretty in Pink, basically any movie
Molly Ringwall was in, Right, it's like like she was
definitely bred to me.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, she's not in ye, she's not insane Almost far
Yeah yeah yeah, I mean it's just kind of that
that group. But but there are people who were in
those movies with them that I just don't consider to
be part of that, like Brad the actual like brat
Pack because it's weird because also you would think like

(25:18):
Ferris Bueller being like a John Hughes movie, like that
movie isn't connected with that at all, Like nobody looks
at like Matthew Broderick or Mia Sarah and is thinking
of them as being part of that brat pack even
though it was a John Hughes movie made at the
like exact same time.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
But yeah, and they yeah, And my mom said Leah
Thompson too, And I was like no, like I don't
I don't know where these things are coming from.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Right and now no, because then you yeah, like Leah Thompson,
Jennifer Gray like then neither. That's like saying like Patrick
Swayze would be like.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Right, or Michael J. Fox. He was like, I don't know. Yea,
it was like a brat pack member.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
But no, bra, they're all in movies together. They're in
those movies together. Like Michael J. Fox wasn't in any
of those movies. He was just happy. He was just
a young guy in an eighties movie at a time
were they made a lot of movies centered around teens,
because those were it was like the first time where
teenagers were going to see movies. Like in the seventies,

(26:20):
teens did not go see movies. It was adults. It
was adults and kids. Like there was there was not
a like think of it. What's a teenage movie from
the seventies, There isn't one like the first the first
time there was ever really like a teen movie. Maybe
you could consider like Caddy Shack. But even Caddy Shack,
you know, the main characters, like the ones that everybody

(26:41):
remembers are fucking in their late in their mid to
late thirties, Chevy Chase, Bill Murray and and Rodney Dangerfield.
But the movie is about the teens that work at
the golf course. But nobody thinks of that as being
like a teen movie. But that's like one of the
first one, I mean really like the first one is
probably like Porky and Fast Times a Bridgemont High. Yeah,

(27:02):
those were probably like the first teen comedies, but those
were both in the eighties. They were like very close
to the Hughes's Like Fast Times, I think it's like
eighty two eighty three, and Poor Ky's is like the same,
maybe eighty one eighty two.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
It's well like Sean Penn went to high school with
Emilio Wesvez and Robert Downey Jr. And Charlie she and
Robblo and all these guys. Man, So like you could
you could technically call him part of the brat pack.
Brat pack just because of his connection to going to
high school. I mean that that would be like me
and my high school, like all of our friends being

(27:37):
on it, you know, in a bunch of movies together.
You could definitely call us some sort of a name,
some sort of a group, you know, some.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Sort of Well, there was there was a comedy version
of that in the early two thousands. There was the
frat Pack where they tried to like kind of you know,
play on that, and it was like the wil like
Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughan Owen and Luke Wilson Ben still
are like that route where but then there would be
people who would be kind of lumped in, like Jack Black,

(28:04):
well like Jack Black, like Jack Black was kind of
lumped in there. But yeah, they were called like the
frat pack, and so it's kind of the same thing.
It's like people who are in a lot of the
same movies, mostly Anchorman. I mean that's kind of like
the over Writing movie. But then there's like Starsky and
Hodge like Old School, like you know, a lot of
them are in these like these same movies together.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
But yeah, they and yeah, the jud the Freaksing Geek
squad from like the Jet Jued appatow movies.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Right, Yeah, so that's that's a whole other one that
that's one that Yeah, that's one hundred percent. That's like,
that's maybe even more than that's that's the closest thing
there's ever been to another rat pack brat pack thing
is jud Appatowels group, Like he's the John Hughes of
that group for sure. It's yeah, Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill,

(28:55):
James Tranko, Jason Siegel, and Jay Barrischell. Like basically this
is the end. Everybody that's in that movie, like that's
in Super Big, you know, Martin Starr, Like they're all, yeah,
what was it?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
What was the guy's name that was in waiting?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
He was the John Francis Day.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, maybe it's Freaks and Geeks. Yeah, it was in
Freaks and Geeks as well. I didn't see him very
much anymore though.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, he writes he writes a lot of the Marvel movies. Yeah,
like right, yeah, Like I can't remember which one specifically
because I hate those movies, but Marvel movie, dude, that's
actually become like a newer version of like the brat
back too. It's just having all these actors like playing

(29:39):
I mean, but it's not necessarily with actors. It's with
like characters, Like let's just have these characters in and
out of each other's movies, and then we'll have like
the big movie where they're all in it, which is
like the Avengers movies, but then all the other ones,
like there's always gonna be like one or two of
them in the movie. Like it's they've they've kind of

(29:59):
copied that. It's just a really shitty way.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
But yeah, he said, like Quentin Tarantino, how he just
despises him just I think I think I think that's
what he said. He doesn't like them because they're too
easy and you know, you don't have to put a
lot of thought into him, and you just kind of
make a bunch of money off of it. Just seems easy,
you know, and cheap.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
It's all it is. It's cheap easy. You don't have
to write like much of a story. You can kind
of just let it play out.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
You know, the actings is decent. Some people are good,
others are just horrible. It doesn't matter if the movie
is actually good, like you know, people will see it.
It's a it's a guaranteed to make its money back
no matter what. So it's like it's not even like
a there's no risk involved in those movies in any

(30:45):
in any of the parts of it. Like, yeah, I
hate them. I hate those fucking movies so much.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Howard the Duck was the first Avenger or the first
uh Marvel superhero, not Avenguer. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, a lot of people don't.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, you're probably a little bit younger than me, so
you might not remember that movie. Yeah, I remember, dude.
I was in the eighties, man, I remember watching that movie,
and I just love those kind of movies because they
were just so silly. I mean, I watch them now
and I'm just like, oh, it's ridiculous, i can't watch this.
But you know, growing up as a kid, you're just
like these movies are the best. And so if they
tried to remake Howard the Duck, I'm sure it would

(31:23):
do well because it's like a cult classic, but I
don't think it would do blockbuster numbers.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Like well, that was like kind of I mean, they
were planning on doing that because you know, in one
of the Avengers movies or maybe Guardians of the Galaxy.
I think it's The Guardians of the Galaxy. The ending credits,
you know, the post credits scene is Howard the Duck
and you know that. And basically they judged off of
people's reaction to that scene whether or not they were

(31:49):
going to do it, and they found out that no
one cared or that, or that most people didn't know
who that was. Like they're obviously there was a you know,
there's a small group who remembers seeing that movie, but
that movie did not do well at all, and it
was not like a I mean, there's just it's it
as a cult following. So the people who like it

(32:10):
love it, that ain't a huge group. And so yeah,
whenever they kind of realized, like from the test screenings
that know, everybody's like, what's the who is this? Like
why is this the ending credits scene? Like this fucking duck?
And then they were like, okay, yeah, we probably shouldn't
do a Harvard the Duck movie.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Then yeah, Leah Thompson was in that as well, I believe.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I love those movies, dude. I just there's so many
like The Urbs and uh, like I said, weird science
and stuff like that. I just those are just you
don't don't find those movies anymore. It's it's it's you
have to have these huge box office things. And the
reason why is, you know cause, like I said, I
was an extra on a on Stranger Things before, and
I kind of saw how things operate, and it was

(32:56):
just like a big, very expensive production. Not and I'm
not even talking about the shooting. I'm actually talking about
like they had truckloads of tractor trailers bringing in food
for the tents every day, truckloads, like a Mac truck
full of food.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, And I just thought.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Like that is totally unnecessary. I mean, you could do
like Kevin Smith and just have like, you know, a
couple of your buddies and a camera and make a
good movie. Like why does it have to be, you know,
so expensive? Why do you have to spend so many
millions of dollars? I saw it. There was a what's
the guy from Carrie? I was, I was, I can't
ever see No, Yeah, he had a I don't think

(33:37):
he did it. I'm not. I'm not pointing this out
because he was a pompous or anything like that, but
he had like an assistant that was kind of holding
an umbrella for him to keep the son out of
his face, and every between every scene he would she
would come over and like put makeup on him and
lay his cigar for him and just do stuff for him.
And I was just like, it just seems unnecessary. I mean,
you could just stand there too and not.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Do it, you know what I mean, Well, yeah, it's unnecessary.
But also I mean so yeah, like kind of been
so local stranger things. You have to have that much
like you have to have that many people, you have
to have that much money pumped into it because like
to do that, to do that, like what you're trying

(34:17):
to do in that show on a shoestring budget isn't
gonna work. Like Kevin Smith can have like his buddies
and a shitty camera because he's making a movie set
in a gas station, Like you know, he's not. He's
not like he's not making a movie about an alien
invasion with like you know, going into like different worlds

(34:38):
and dimensions and shit. Like he's just a couple of
guys hanging out at a convenience store. That's it. So yeah,
it all just kind of depends on because there are
still those movies, Like, there's still tons of those types
of movies. They just obviously don't get a whole lot
of attention, which neither did Clerks. You know, whenever it
came out, for the most part, it was more so
like the DVD release, like whenever, I mean, I'm not

(34:59):
even the VHS release that like whenever that movie started
like really taking off and kind of got that like underground,
like you know, Colt following was from people rending it
from like blogbuster and shit, like it wasn't It wasn't
a movie that just people were lined up to the
the theater, you know, wanted to go see Clerks, especially

(35:20):
in nineteen ninety four whenever fucking Forrest Gump and the
and Lion King and you know, will help pulp fiction
even got a little more in attention. But yeah, yeah,
not a lot of people were like, oh, let's go,
let's go see Clerks whenever they could go see you know,
Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, and you mentioned Matt Damon. He was in a
lot of those. He was kind of like that Kevin
Smith brat Pack, right. It was Ben Affleck and Matt
Damon and you know, all these guys and Jay and
obviously jameside with Bob and but yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
That's what yeah and who sorry, Jason Lee, that's right. Yeah, yeah,
it's called the he has a name for it. It's called
like this a Skew Skew, a Skew Verse or the
something Askew. But yeah, it's how like all those movies
are set in like the same world, same city, same timeline,
like mal Rats and Dogma and Clerks, you know, like

(36:14):
they're all yeah, so I think it's a cinema a skew.
I don't know, I can't remember, but anyways, yeah, but
they're all like and they're all like cousins of each other,
Like the characters are related, like if you like, are
paid really paying attention like to the lines, like they'll
mention something like in mal Rats they mentioned like one
of the guys mentions like his cousin dying from you know,

(36:37):
or having to go to his cousin's funeral. But then
in like Clerks, they mentioned that same guy talking about
him like dying from trying to you know, suck his
own waiter, and uh so like there's so then that
implies that they're both cousins. So like yeah, there's they
have like that kind of little thing going on in
there in his movies. What's his name?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Kevin Smith was saying how it was such an honor
to be in just a part of the Marvel universe.
I believe with stan Lee he was like friends with
stan Lee. That's kind of how I felt with like
Stranger Things, just being just as an extra. I can
say that I was part of that universe, right I was.
I can say like, oh, I was, you know, in
the upside down. I wasn't really on the upside down,
but it was a part of that thing, is what

(37:21):
I'm saying. So, yeah, that Damon was saying something similar
to how these movies, you don't know, you would make
a movie and it might not do well in the
box office, but then you'd kill it in the movies.
You know, at the movie store you would just make million, mate,
or you could make a lot of money at the
box office and then go make money at the DVD
sales or the Blockbuster rentals or whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And it's just it's funny how things change. And that
definitely shifted the dynamics. But I think it's okay though,
because eventually I think more people were going to be
making more movies on low budgets because it's just you
know that that market is still there. You don't have
a B B rated market anymore. I'd love to see
stuff like the Talented Mister Ripley or Conspiracy Theory or

(38:04):
one of these kind of movies that that would come out.
I love those movies. I would go to those movies.
We had this in South Carolina. We had dollar Store.
We had to not dollar Store of the dollar movies. Yeah,
we did too.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, me and my.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Buddies would go every Sunday to watch a dollar movie.
And it was usually movies like that, you know, like
just random you know, talented mister Ripley or whatever it is. Yeah,
and so the dollar movies would be for those who
don't know you had the main movie. When the movie
came out, it would play in the big theater for
a while, and then eventually it would make it its
way to the dollar theater, and then eventually it would
make its way maybe like even a year later, it

(38:37):
would make its way to the DVDs or to to
Blockbuster or whatever. Yeah, that's how I watched a lot
of movies. Do was I think I watched Titanic at
the Dollar Theater.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's we had a place called Movies
nine and it was a Dollar Movie Theater, and yeah,
I remember going there all the time as a kid,
Like I mean we would go to like the regular
movie theater but two but then yeah, a lot of
the times we would go to the Dollar Movie Theater
and watch you know, just like whatever was out, like
I remember, yeah, I remember seeing like Freddy versus Jason

(39:08):
at the Dollar Movie Theater like yeah, just all kinds
of stuff like that, and yeah, and then they would
also play more like low budget, lesser known movies like
you know, there I would see like posters for movies
there that I had never heard of, Whereas you know,
I went, you know, every time we went to the
regular movie theater, I would look at all the posters

(39:29):
and I knew, like all those movies like ha, or
I had heard of them at least, like even as
like a little kid. But yeah, I go to that one.
I'm like, what the fuck is a more you know,
Morris Peros. So you know, like some of these like
foreign movies and shit that are like, you know, incredible movies,
but they weren't getting played, you know, like the big
like chain theaters or anything.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, it must have been. It must have been cool
as a kid or like a teenager in the late
seventies to mid eighties going to the movies because you
had all these blockbuster hits man like Star Wars and
e t and all these big hits you know, Indiana Jones,
you know, Jaws, all these big, big movies you could

(40:11):
go see that That really made the scene, the movie scene,
like a whole different thing. It was like an event.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know. Yeah, well that's that. Jaws is where a
blockbuster comes from, Like the term blockbuster because there was
a news report in New York about or maybe La
it doesn't matter, but they were talking about they said,
there's people busting the blocks, you know, lined up around
the blocks to see this movie because it was the
first time there was ever lines for a movie like

(40:38):
to go see, like people actually standing in line waiting
to see a movie. And it was also the first
Like that's what sort of the whole idea of like
having a summer blockbuster, because obviously Jaws was released in
the summer because you have more people wanted to go
see it because it's set the beach like in the summer,
and then that became like a trend like then because
then people started realizing how much money you can make
by having your movie come out in the summer or

(41:00):
whenever everybody's out of school, so like when kids do
want it, if like teens want to go see the movie,
they don't have to wait till the weekend to go
see it. And then that just became a massive trend
of like having the big summer hit. And it still
is like obviously, you know, like all those Marvel movies
come out in the summer for the most part, like
it's yeah, yeah, it's just always the thing.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Some movies still to do pretty good, you know. The
the new Minecraft just came out a couple of weekends ago.
My kids were super excited, and I know it was
a lot of other kids, you know, my kids' schools
were excited to see it as well. So, like I guess,
there are still blockbuster movies that you know, you'd line
up to go see. But even when you go to
the movies these days, they're half empty. You know, it's

(41:46):
not like what it used to be. It just sucks that,
you know, streaming kind of ruined that you know, but
it's also good for us because we don't have to
spend a million dollars on popcorn and.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I know that. Yeah, that is the the like like
movie theaters kind of did it to themselves. I mean obviously,
like the pandemic, like really put the nail on the coffin,
But movie theaters are kind of already doing it to
themselves by charging so much for shit, which you know,
it's not People kind of don't really understand how that works,

(42:15):
like why they go to the movies and like why
is it so expensive. It's like, well, the movie theater
to run to actually stay open, all their money comes
from the concession. They don't get any of that ticket money,
like you know, when they're like, oh, they're charging ten
dollars for a ticket and twenty dollars for a pop plorn,
it's like, well, they aren't charging ten dollars for a ticket.

(42:36):
Like all every single penny of that goes to the
back to the production company, like the people who made
the movie, so that that movie can make its money back.
Like that. So when you go into a massive like
you know, like they say, like a fourteen screen movie theater,
and you see, like how big it is and all
this it and the only way it's running is if
they're charging enough money, you know, for it to stay open.

(42:59):
And takes a lot of money to run a movie theater,
like a ton, Like I worked in a movie theater
for a while, and it is it takes so much money,
like to keep that thing going, so like it makes
sense why they charge so much. But I do think
they kind of they amp it up a little bit
where you're like, all right, like you don't got to
go that extreme, and you could you could do like more,

(43:22):
you could do more to make it a little bit less.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
But yeah, I've seen some people, like a lot of
baseball stadiums now are starting to adopt the idea of
just giving out free food, and a lot of football
stadiums as well, just give out free food because they
want to get people there to you know, buy merchandise
or the ticket sales. I mean, they're gonna get their
money back, they're going to mark up the tickets a
little bit more. But it is enticing to know that,

(43:47):
oh I don't have to spend you know, another one
hundred and fifty dollars on that right snacks at the
game or snacks at the movie theater or whatever the
case is. It does seem like they kind of overplayed
their hand a little bit. They're like, all right, we
you know, we charged two much and but you're right.
I mean they have their kind of like a retail store.
Movie theaters are like a retail They're like Walmart. They
just sell stuff in in their in their stores. They

(44:08):
don't really produce anything, so it's just a space to
rent movies out. I guess, yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, yeah. And and the movie there is to pay
to even be able to show the movie, you know,
like it's not like the movie that can just show
whatever movie they want, like they have to like that
company has to get the you know, permission from the
production company to show the movie. Like there's all kinds
of things that go in behind, like behind the scenes,
to the cost a lot of money. And uh but yeah,

(44:34):
the baseball the ballpark thing is interesting because as most
it's just right now it's just minor league teams that
are doing it, which makes sense because nobody goes to
the fucking game. So like you know, it's just like, well,
we need to get people into these bleachers, So how
do we do that well, all the food he wants free,
which is obviously a gimmick. Like they're not going to
keep that going. That's just to like get the word

(44:54):
out there and get people in. Then as soon as
they start selling out, they're gonna they're gonna get rid
of that. But like the Falcons, like the Atlanta Falcons,
they do it not not free, but they're like if
they've had the same prices forever, And when you go
and look at like what the price is for their food,
it is like super cheap, like very very reasonable for

(45:17):
a family to eat concession stand food at an NFL game,
which is not the case anywhere else. I mean, yeah,
I mean tickets, there's already a huge problem with tickets
and like ticket Master and all that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I hate that, dude. I can't even I can't even
go to a baseball game. I just want to get
the ticket, the actual stub from the game, just as
a souvenir, you know, and I can't even get that.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, it's bizarre, dude, Well it's crazy is that, Like
you know, you have to pay all these fucking convenience
fees and shit. It's like, well, okay, but what's my
other option? Like can I go to that stadium and
buy the ticket and like and which a lot of
times you can't. But even if you could, like I

(46:01):
mean what if you live Like so for me, I
live about two hours away from Dallas. That's the closest
like big big city where there would be like a
professional sports teams. So I'm gonna have to so like, yeah,
I'd have to drive to Dallas to buy the ticket
and then you know, come back home and two weeks
later go the game or go that day and hope
to God that there are seats, like so you know,

(46:23):
I get that, Like, Okay, that makes sense that I
would pay a convenience fee because like that is saving
me a lot of time and a lot of money
of like traveling two hours. But why am I paying
all these like processing fees and all this others? Like okay,
Like this is like I understand that Ticketmaster has to
have money to operate, just like any other business. I

(46:44):
feel like they're charging a hell of a lot more
than what they need to be charging top for a
for a software to work or you know, or like
an user interface to work. Like that's a bunch of bullshit.
And then it's just the base ticket prices are alone outrageous,
Like you know, when you don't look at the fees,

(47:04):
you know, two hundred dollars to go to like a
concert where you're like, or you for a sporting events
look insane, Like to go to an NFL games, like
you know, for decent siege paying like four or five
hundred dollars, Like, like, how is a family going to
go to a fucking like NFL game? Dude?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I bought tickets to Universal Studios just to go to
like visit some of the parks inside you know, the
Islands of Adventure or whatever it is. And yeah, you know,
it was like seven hundred dollars just for the tickets, dude,
for family four. I mean that's insane, man, I can't.
It was literally like a decision of do I get
new tires on my truck or do I get these

(47:42):
tickets for my kids to go out fun? And uh
fortunately I was able to do both. But it still sucks, man,
because it was thousands of dollars for tires and for that,
you know, plus we're gonna have to pay for hotels
and you know, food and all the other stuff that
comes with it. It just sucks. Man, it's not a
good time for consumers. I guess you could say of anything.

(48:03):
It just feels like we're just being milked dry, you know,
which is nothing left to take.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, well, the problem is that like inflation obviously rises,
but the price of things doesn't rise at the same
percent as inflation. Like obviously inflation has gone up quite
a bit. So like you know, you look at like
your like pay, like like like minimum wage pay, that

(48:28):
that amount that it has risen over the past thirty
years is not the same percentage as everything else. Everything
else has risen. It's such a higher percent So it'd
be different if like everybody's pay rose at the same percentage,
because then it's like, well, you know, even Stevens like, yeah,
it costs costs way more money to go do something,

(48:49):
but I get paid way more money so I can
afford it. But that's not the case. You know, you
still have a fucking you know, for the most part
of seven was seven to twenty five, seven fifty for
minimum wage, like you still yeah, you still have that.
But then apartments and shit or skyrocket it's like one
thousand dollars for like a one bedroom apartment in a

(49:10):
lot of places.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Do you what do you do for it? Do you
have a day job? I'm going to ask you while ago,
so do you just make content and you can make
money off of content like that? Yeah, that's a that's
a surprise to me because it's like I'm not making
any money off of content at all.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Oh, I don't forever. I mean, this is a very
recent thing to where I didn't have to have a
day job. Now I was. Yeah, I was working just
random fucking call center jobs for a while. Like I've
had a bunch of different jobs because I hate working
and like a normal job, so I would just work

(49:46):
at one for a little while, mostly just do like,
you know, there's a great little method I learned where
you know, all these little call center jobs, and for
anybody listening out here who just wants to like copy this,
you know, I highly recommend it is you find you go.
There's all there's a million of these call center jobs
and like work from home, you know, on the phone jobs,
and they usually have about a two week to six

(50:09):
week training period where you don't have to do it
god damn thing. So what I was doing was doing
those training periods and then right as the training period
was about to end, I would already be like on
indeed looking for another one and start the next training period.
I don't know that it works. Oh yeah, man, I

(50:30):
probably worked fourteen different I mean I had like W
two's from probably twelve different companies. I just kept burning
through those training periods, and uh yeah it was awesome.
I was like, this is the easiest thing effort.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I reached out to you after our first show together
and I sent you a link to like some animation
some like voice over work for animation. Do you do
any of that kind of stuff?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Man? I so I did submit, like and I still do.
I submit stuff to to that site all the time.
You're trying, Yeah, yeah, because I think it'd be so
much fun voice over work, Like I I've always wanted
to do that. So yeah, I've sent so much stuff
today and I've just never heard anything back. But so

(51:19):
don't have much of a portfolio.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well you got a good voye, Yeah you do. You
got a million followers do that's a fucking pretty big formio.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You got a recognizable voice now, I mean it's really
is a good voice too. I told you that last
time we talked yeah, if I had, you know, a
nice voice, I would be doing more of that kind
of stuff as well. I'd be out there looking for
jobs or even trying to create my own little cartoon,
just to create a reel or something.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That you still could man. Yeah, yeah, it's you don't
have a bad voice. I mean, dude, your voice is
still pretty good.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Well appreciate it. But what I'm saying is like if
it was like a James Earl Jones type of voice
or something like, you know, I'd be like killing it, dude.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I'd be out there.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Looking for all these kinds of jobs. I'd be interviewing,
or if like, ay, if I was a hand model
or something, get something. I don't have to work hard, dude.
I've done enough work in my life. I don't want
to work for anybody anymore, you know, on my own business, Dude.
I can't clock in for somebody and just be told
what to do for many hours a day. So I'll
do any I'll literally do anything other than work for somebody.

(52:24):
I'll go dig, you know, I'll go take a metal
detector and scan the beaches for like coins and stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Before I go. Oh, I would too. I'm such a
brat when it comes to like working for someone else,
because I will work really hard, like very like I'll
go above and beyond if you don't tell me to,
Like if you just leave me alone and don't say
a word to me, I will, like I will work

(52:50):
my ass off. But the second that a person who
technically is my boss comes up and asks me to
do something or tells me to do something, I am
imediately want to just shut down, say actually, you know what,
how about fuck you. I'm not doing any of this,
and then I will I will basically just yeah, I'll
take thirty minute, you know, bathroom bricks, I'll start milking

(53:13):
the clock everything. Yeah, But I just I don't know.
I've always been that way, just like real brat.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
There has to be like a there has to be
some kind of a government program out there that's looking
for people like that. They're like, we need you to
be a mercenary. I mean like like balcim or with
the Saint or something like that. No, there has to
be a skill to not take orders from people, right
that you have to you can kind of make your
own way. I think of it as a skill because

(53:44):
it's like there's a lot of people who just do it.
They're told all the time, you know, and don't ask questions,
and they just do it. There's obviously there's a big
market for that. There's pretty much the whole workforces like that.
But there's no job that you could go to that
allows you to just be yourself and do what you
want to do.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I experienced it in the military, and I used to
just be I would get so upset because I couldn't
just be creative and just go make something happen. And
I was always being told what to do. And I
did it obviously because I was just trying to be
a good airman.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I wasn't trying to like push, you know, I wouldn't
trying to get in trouble or anything like that. But
eventually I kept saying stuff like, you know, just let
me just give me a chance, let me go out
and make my own thing. And then when I started
doing that, I started they started giving me a little
bit more because I was a photographer and they were like,
and I was just like grabbing my camera and I
would go all over the base just looking for things
to take photographs of. And it was interesting to me

(54:39):
because I got to learn stuff. I got to like
I remember walking into this one place and I was like, hey,
I'm a photographer. I'm want to take some photos of something.
And I was like, what do y'all do here? And
they were like, oh, we packed parachutes, and I was like, cool,
let's let me take pictures of that. And then eventually
I just that was my thing. I'd never really got
orders to go do retirement ceremonies or you know, base
newspaper stuff. If I was always out there just finding

(55:03):
these really cool things to do. And I did that
in Afghana, I mean in Iraq, and I actually created
these training manuals for the Iraqi Air Force, and I
actually created this like security uh panoramic photo that showed
where we were getting attacked at and all this other stuff.
So just by like allowing me to do my own thing,
it was the best thing, you know, because and there's

(55:25):
a lot of people who don't get to do that. Man,
they just do what they're told and they go okay,
and you know, it's a miserable existence. Meanwhile, there's so
many different cool things you could be doing and creating
on your own. But you know, a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Aren't built that way, I guess, so no, No, and
then and there's nothing necessarily like wrong would be in
one of those people, like you know, there's nothing that's
you know, wrong with like no being a person who
likes Yeah, I want the like comfort and security of
working at the for a company that's established and you know,
and and and they enjoy it, like it's not even

(55:59):
just a thing of like well, I guess I'll you know,
just suffer through. Like there are people who there are
people that I've worked with in like a lot of
those jobs who genuinely loved working there, and good on them,
like yeah, I just uh, I wasn't one of them, man,
I just like the only job I've ever had, I mean,

(56:19):
if you count this as a job, you know, that's different,
which I don't really count as a job. But the
only job I've ever had that I liked was working
at the movie theater, like when I was a teenager,
like and you know and a little bit into college,
Like working at the movies was the most fun job
I've ever had, Like the people I worked with, everything
about it was so much fun and free movies and

(56:41):
you know, free food and shit, so like that's that's
a plus. Yeah, I just I fucking loved it. And
and I got paid minimum wage, you know, like and
no chance of a raise. They they made that abundantly clear.
And I worked like sixteen hours a week like it
was nothing. But it was like, well high school job,

(57:01):
and I had a blast, like like and yeah, and
I have been just ruined of any potential of having
that happen again from all the other jobs I had afterwards.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
So yeah, but it was cool to do. There were
jobs that I have had. I've been a fry cook,
I've been a broiler chef at at a restaurant. I've
been a bar back, I've been a painted cars before.
I've worked construction. I've worked in heating and air. I've
done all kinds of different little jobs. But most of
the jobs I loved the most was where there were
just a bunch of people just cutting up and having

(57:35):
fun with each other, busting balls with each other. When
I when I painted cars, that at the end of
every day. There were there were guys that smoked weed.
I didn't smoke weed. There was guys that smoked weed together.
And then there was guys that just opened the six
pack and just sit there and drink beer after hours
and just still piddle around on cars and talk shit
and stuff like that. So I missed those kinds of things,

(57:56):
and that's what ironically, that's what I miss about the
Air forces in the military, as well as that there
was a camaraderie there because there was a tribe that
you could vibe with all the time. You you experienced
shitty things together, you know, you could bicker back and forth.
But yeah, if you're at a call center and you're
sitting at home by yourself and you're having to deal
with everybody. At least at least in an office, you
can talk with other people and they can feel your pain.

(58:19):
But if you're at a call centers, as you at
your house with a little headset on, there's nobody to
complain to, you know what I mean. You just gotta
gotta just suck it up and deal with the crap,
I guess, by yourself.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
So oh yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Well, yeah, I was just talking about I keep looking
at your shirt. It's a cool shirt.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I was just talking about Val Kilmer. He just recently died. Man,
what is your favorite Val Kilmer role of all time?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Jim Morrison the Doors.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, that's that's just because he looked like him, or
because it was just a good well.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
He did look like quite a bit, but I mean
just his performance as Jim Morrison is so spot only,
like all the things you know, like Oliver Stone changed
a lot of Jim Marrison's behavior to make it more
of like just a fucking monster, which apparently you know,
he wasn't as big of an asshole as they made
him seem in that movie. But just like he had

(59:16):
the voice down like does all of his own singing,
which is the one thing I hate the most about
movies you know about a musician is like whenever they
make those like biopics, they most of the time it's
lip synced and that, and it's like not even their singing.
It's either like someone who someone else who sounds like him,

(59:40):
or it's like the actual recording of that singer and
it bothers me so much. But whenever someone's actually doing it, God,
I think like immediately Oscar nomination has to be and
Malcolmer should have been nominated and won the Oscar for
that movie, which he obviously was not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
But is that yeah, is that because you're a musician too,
is that why don't you play the guitar something?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I play the guitar. Yeah, yea, yeah, I mean
that probably has something to do with it. I just,
I just I hate the idea of lip syncing. I
hate the idea of like pretending to sing, like just
sing sing and sound like if you're not going to
be able to do his that person's voice, then you
don't need to be playing them in a movie like
and and it's it's just so noticeable, like whenever I

(01:00:29):
watch Bohemian Rhapsody, I hate that movie so much. Which
one the movie sucks, but all like the acting is terrible,
but Ronnie Mallick isn't singing and it's so clear. But
around that exact same time, the Elton John movie came
out Rocketman, and I think it's Taron Egerton. He's doing
all of his singing, and yeah, he doesn't sound one

(01:00:52):
hundred percent identical to Elton John, but pretty close, Like
he definitely sounds like Elton John, you know, like and
looks like and everything. And that movie is a million
times better than Bamian Rapsy, but it didn't get nearly
the attention.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, it's like Jamie Fox with Ray he did he
really saying that right, It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, yeah, so that's another and he won the Oscar
for it, as he should. But then like in Walking
Phoenix will Walk the line, he does all of his
own singing like it does. There are a lot of
people who do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I just recently with the Timothy Shallow mate playing Bob Dylan,
He's doing all of his own singing and sounds great,
sounds very similar to Bob Dylan, and it just makes
the acting go further. You just like the authenticity of
things that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I
just I don't know, it just takes me out of
the movie when it becomes so fake where I'm like, oh,

(01:01:47):
this is a movie like this is yeah, this is
somebody pretending that they're singing, and yeah, I don't like,
you're not supposed to be able to tell that a
person is acting when you're watching a movie, Like that's
the point of it, suspension of disbelief.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Do you have any I thought for sure you're gonna
see Tombstone, Like Tombstone is like yeah, everybody's favorite Valcimra
movie or yeah, some people there's mixed reactions about Batman,
but people loved him in Tombstone as not Holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Tombstone would be up there for sure, it wouldn't be.
It wouldn't even it wouldn't be in my top three though.
For Valcilma, I don't think, but I do love it.
I mean, he's incredible in Tombstone. And that's another one.
I could easily have seen him winning an Oscar for
Best Supporting Actor and I don't think he was even
nominated for it either, which is just wild. But yeah, no,

(01:02:44):
I uh. There's a movie called Wonderland that he was
in that a lot of people don't know that much about.
It's about John Holmes, who's a porn star in the
seventies who assisted in brutally murdering some of his friends,
like at the uh well, he was forced to do

(01:03:05):
it by a drug dealer they had stole money from.
It was all, you know, based on true story, but
the Wonderland murders and he plays John Holmes, and he
is fucking incredible in this movie. If you haven't seen it,
check it out. It's like him, Kate Bosworth, Yeah, if
what's her fucking name, Lisa Kudro, like it is, it's

(01:03:27):
so good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It was it a recent but more of a recent three. Okay, yeah,
that's gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I don't think I've watched a lot of his stuff
after the two thousands. There was a period of time
where I was really into movies before two thousand and one,
and then once I got out of high school, I
just stopped really going to movies kind of all together
for about fifteen years, I guess, And I just kind
of was watching that frat pack stuff whenever it would
come out, like step Brothers and all that. But I

(01:03:53):
wasn't really watching a lot of these smaller budget movies,
I guess, And I guess Wonderland was probably one of
those I would assume.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah it is. Yeah, it's very much like smaller budget,
but it's it doesn't necessarily feel like it like it
feels like it has a big budget. I mean the
soundtrack alone, Jesus, Like they probably spent who knows how
much money on the soundtrack because it has like some
of the greatest songs of like the seventies in it.
But yeah, it's just it's it is a great movie,
and he is so fucking phenomenal, and then like probably

(01:04:24):
there's another one that come out in two thousand and five,
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang with Robert Downey Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I do, I do remember seeing that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, so that would be probably like that would round
out the top three. That's that's an incredible movie as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, The Saint was The Saint was really good. Obviously
Top Gun was was really good. But he didn't have
like a huge, huge role. I mean he did, but
it wasn't like h it was a it was a
supporting actor kind of a role, like he was the
antagonist I guess for a while. But and then what's funny, man,
is like there were people who think there's a conspiracy
about the Top Gun, the New Top Gun that he

(01:05:00):
wasn't in it. Do you remember him being in the
movie in the New Top Gun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Or was it just remember them? No? I thought he
was in it. But the AI they did an AI
his voice, I know that, so there is that he's
at least talking in the movie. At some point I
thought it maybe it was like a like they were
see I think they were having I can't really remember

(01:05:31):
his picture. And then like a voiceover behind the picture
of him saying something maybe in like either a phone
call or something like that, but it was an AI
version of about Kilmer's voice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Well, so there are people there's like it's like a
Mandela effect almost. There are people who think that he
was in the movie and he was talking through a
computer because he still had that he still had throat cancer.
He was an admiral in the movie, but he still
couldn't talk, and it was like an emotional scene where
he was about to die three days before he died

(01:06:03):
or whatever, he met with Tom Cruise and yeah, dude,
it's like, it's really weird because I remember, Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. I remember him being just like a
picture of him or something like that, and there was
like a voice message or something. I can't really remember what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
That's what I remember. That's exactly what I remember. But yeah,
and it is his voice. But yeah, well, well what
he used to sound like. But it's, yeah, from an
AI version of his voice. Because I remember there being
like a lot of controversy over that of like ooh,
like should we be doing that, like having the AI
versions like of people's voices and like you know, AI

(01:06:38):
acting and things like that, which I don't know, I
don't feel one way or the other. I hate the
idea of bringing dead people back to put them in
movies using deep fake, which they have been planning on
doing that for a while with James Dean and Marilyn Monroe,
and that that makes me so angry, like I don't

(01:07:02):
like other people know. Well, Bruce Willis gave like he
licensed himself a way, like saying, like whenever, but because
I'm never gonna be able to act again, put me
in movies. Deep fake me ai my voice, put me
in movies. I want to still do movies. And so
I appreciate that because he said yes, I want this,
like I'm giving you permission put me in whatever movie

(01:07:24):
you want. I don't care like I you know, like
I'm cool with it. James Dean died what's seventy years ago.
He didn't get to say yes or no to a
question like that, so don't put him in movies. Marilyn Monroe,
same thing, like don't do that to people who were dead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
They're milking that, those idols. But I just did an
episode with a girl named Julia Dennis from the Cosmic
Peach podcast about that about Marilyn Monroe and how like
these people just get used their whole life. I mean,
even after they're dead man for many years, they're still
making ten million dollars a year off their likeness. And
just it's just something about that and I don't like, Well,

(01:08:02):
for one, it should be ethically just wrong to make
continue to make money off of people's like this after
they just let them die in peace. And yeah, you
know what I mean, Like that's don't resurrect. It's like
making movies again, you know, like, don't resurrect another movie
just to try to milk it for more money. I
don't like that. I just be creative, be original, come
up with something different. You don't have to keep remaking Jaws,

(01:08:25):
you know, eleven or Fast and the Furious eight hundred.
You know, just come up with something original. You don't
have to do a new Cobra Kai for example, when
it came out. It's like you just let the movies
just be a classic and just be that, you know, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
So I will say I am cool with it with
deep faking like a celebrity like that, like a Marilyn Monroe.
If you're making a movie set like let's say set
in the sixties, and you would have had an actress
playing Merrilyn Monroe. So like, this isn't a maryle Minue
starring in a movie. This is like like Forrest Gump,
Like if you went back and did Forrest Gump, which

(01:09:03):
that's what they did. I mean they deep fake, basically
a very rudimentary form of defec where they just cgi
a different set of lips onto John Lennon. But that's
what he did, Like they had John Lennon, you know,
saying stuff he didn't say. Like, so I would be
fine with that. Like, let's yeah, like if they made
a movie about someone and that historical figure is deep

(01:09:24):
faked into that movie, that's different because that's not Yeah, yeah,
that's I'm cool with that, Like you might as well,
because otherwise, yeah, you would just have an actress dressed
as Marilyn Monroe playing Marilyn Monroe, which I'd rather actually
look like Marilyn Monroe, you know, because at that point
she yeah, she's not starring in a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
It's just yeah, I would say that. I'll give you
my top three. I guess Valcimra movies, Willow Tombstone, and
then a movie called Real Genius in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
If you ever remember those movies. Yeah, but those movies
were do Willow is the best they It's a you
know a lot of people don't realize that it was
written and direct It was written by George Lucas and
it was directed by Ron Howard and all and like
Brian Grazier or Glazier Kidna remembers and the was a
part of that as well. And it's like those are

(01:10:21):
some heavy hitters. I mean that came from the dome
of George Lucas. And if you think about it, like Willow,
have you seen the movie?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
That is not one that I think I might have
watched that once or twice as like a you know,
pretty young kid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Well, if you like Game of Thrones or Star Wars,
it's it's kind of like got those little It's got
this lore to it as well, where he created these
these worlds and these characters and these factions like the
Brownies and stuff like that that are a big part
of the movie. I love that kind of that kind
of what is it called like to see these fantastical

(01:11:01):
worlds and stuff that y yeah created, Yeah, will it
was will it was the best, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Yeah, I gotta watch I gotta watch that because I've
been doing like a Valkilmer marathon basically since they died.
I mean a very like slow, slow marathon of just
like one or two movies a day, but I have
not watched well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Well, Real Genius was one of my favorites in the
eighties because again that was that these kids, they're they're
like young kids, and there's always like some young kids
trying to save the world or fight against the adults
or whatever the case is. And that's kind of a
real girl friend like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
That's kind of what Real Genius was. It was these
college kids that were smart and they were enlisted to
sort of create this laser weapon for the government, but
they didn't realize it. But then once they did realize
what they were doing, they were they were creating direct
energy weapons for the government basically.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
And the people who were in that movie, which were
like Val Kilmer, and there was a lady named Michelle
may Rink I believe is her name, And there was
like Yugi Okamoto, he was the bad guy from speaking
of What's Karate Kid too. He was the bad guy
from Karate Kid too, and then you got the professor
was the guy from Ghostbusters. He was the bad guy

(01:12:15):
from Ghostbusters who came in and tried to shut him down.
He was from the City.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about. I can't
think of his name. I can, like, I can picture
his face right now, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Yeah, well, all these kids, it was a great cast,
you know, like the girl Michelle. She was her character.
I believe his name was like Jordan or something like
that in the movie she She was also in Revenge
of the Nerds. She was Judy from Revenge of the Nerds.
I don't know if you yeah remember too much of
that movie, but she was Judy, and her character in

(01:12:49):
the movie Real Genius was actually is what inspired the
character from Chippendale Rescue Rangers, which was Gadget the little mouse,
the girl, the girl mouse that could fix things. So
her character from that movie Real Genius inspired that that
character for from the cartoon show, which is pretty interesting.
And I always always confused the kid the guy Yugi

(01:13:12):
Okumoto for the guy who played his name is Brian Toci.
He played u Gosh. He played a Kashi from Revenge
of the Nerds. He was also in like Police Academy
and some other movies. Always those guys. But yeah, all
these guys, all these character all these people were saying
how they had to like learn physics and they had
to go and study these direct energy weapon programs and

(01:13:33):
things like that, that it was like a real thing,
and they were and they were talking about about then
they were like, yeah, in the future, we're gonna have
all these laser weapons and stuff like that. And that's
actually the case now we actually have direct energy weapons
that are on like, uh, Navy ships and also in
the sky and stuff like that. So it's it's kind
of these predictive programming as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
John Gris was in that as well. Dude, he was
the yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
That yeah, that's right, Uncle Rico.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Uncle Rico. Yeah, that guy doesn't get a lot of
love for the movies and stuff he's done over the years. Man,
he's really been in some really cool movies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
H Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
His dad, Tom Griys was was a famous director for
many years in Hollywood. I think he did like Batman
and some you know, the old the old TV show Batman,
and he even did a show called Johnny Ringo, which
you know was about the character from song was pretty Yeah, yeah,
yeah he was also John Grays was also the he

(01:14:33):
was the werewolf in Monster Squad. I don't know you remember,
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He played the werewolf in
Monster Squad. And he also played the werewolf in Fright Night,
I believe, or maybe it's Friday Night two or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
So yeah, I don't think it's the first Friday. Yeah,
I don't think it's Friday Night or the first one.
I think it's the sec yeah, second Friday Night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
But yeah, man, there's a lot of a lot of
all these characters that came out of the eighties. It's
it's fun watching those eighties movies because when you watch
those movies, you always see this person or that person
that's a big star now and they were just like young.
They were like teenagers or something.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
The movie. Yeah, like watching Weird Science and seeing Robert
Danney Jr. It's like they were back to school with
Robert Danny Junior. Like watching them in that movie. Yeah,
there's tons of those and you're like, wow, this is
it's crazy you seeing seeing them in there or like uh,
parenthood here. So that movie with Steve Martin, but like
the little kid is Joaquin Phoenix and you just watching them, Yeah,

(01:15:31):
the little kid and Barentons is like twelve maybe yeah,
and then the the teenager, the one that's like dating
his daughter, that's Keanu Reeves. It's like his first movie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
But they were friends, Like Keanu Reeves and Joaquin Phoenix
and all those guys, they were all friends, real close friends.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Well yeah, because Keanu Reeves was in my own private
Idaho with his brother were River Phoenix, and so he
was like really good friends with River Phoenix un till
they died, obviously until they died. But yeah, yeah, that's
that's one of those crazy what ifs I think with
a lot of actors were, especially when they die young.
I'm like, I wonder what movies he would have been in,

(01:16:07):
Like I wonder what movies River Phoenix, like Leonardo DiCaprio
would not have had a career, because that's basically what
movies Leo ended up doing, are the movies that that
River Phoenix would have done. River Phoenix would have been
in all those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Didn't River Phoenix play in like Young Indiana Jones or
something like that that was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
He plays the young Indiana Jones in the third movie,
like at the beginning, he's the He's yeah, plays the
teenage version of Indie. Yeah, that was the last Crusade.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
That was a handsome dude. Man, if I had a hair,
had a hair like that the acting as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Manah River Phoenix, Yeah, that's yeah, stand by me, man,
that's such a great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
One of my favorite movies of the eighties for sure
is stand Out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Oh yeah, Oh I'm with you. Yeah, that that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I mean, But like I said, man, I was a
sucker for all these chick flicks too, though I mean
it sounds kind of gay whatever, but I don't care.
It's like I love these. I love those kind of
like the Dirty Dancing soundtrack is the best soundtrack, the
best sounds all the times.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Dude, that's Wwayzy singing Man Swayze, was it She's like
the Wind or something like that and not the song?
Oh man, I'll tell you what, Patrick Swayze. That's another
one that I I would love to have seen like
him be old and do like like what he would
have done as like an old actor, you know, like yeah,
he like you. He would have turned into like Harrison

(01:17:35):
Ford kinda like what Harrison Ford has done in like
the past twenty years. That's kind of what he would
have done. I feel like like a lot of Like
I actually Patrick Swayze being on that show like Yellowstone
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, but once but he his face kind
of got it was. It's the same with Val Kilmer.
Their face just changed or more when they got older.
They didn't look like an older version and older handsome
version of themselves. Their features got kind of deformed a
little bit. They got bigger noses and bigger ears and
stuff like that, so they didn't look the same. So
there's something that he said, there's something to be said

(01:18:10):
about like that. I just mentioned this on the last episode.
There's a there's a poem called to an athlete Dying young,
and it was just saying just that it's better to
be immortalized as a young like a river Phoenix type,
than it is to live a long life. And because
if you think about it, man, if you think about
Snoop Dogg, right, it's like it almost seems like it's

(01:18:33):
weird to see a ninety year old Snoop Dogg because
you've only known Snoop as this like cool guy, you
know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be great to see a
ninety year old snoop dogg. It's the way I think
of like George Clinton, Like George Clinton, you know from
Parliament Kadel look like you know, back in the seventies,
people wouldn't have thought he would be like an eighty
something year old man, you know, doing what he's doing.
But George Clinton, he's just living it up, like he's
having a great time. He's doing what you would imagine

(01:19:00):
an eighty year old George Clinton is like that's what
he's like. So I think, yeah, it would have been.
I mean everybody ages the same way in a sense.
You know, your nose gets big, years get bigger, like
it's all part of that thing, wrinkles and whatnot. Sure,
but it's uh, it just adds something to it, you know.
Like there's some actors who really come into their own
as like old people like Tommy Lee Jones. Like I

(01:19:24):
think Tommy Lee Jones obviously was in a lot of
great movies when he was younger, like you know, even
like The Fugitive and like whenever he's like in his
like you know, say like forties, but old Tommy Lee
Jones is Tommy Lee Jones, Like like when you think
of him, you think of like No Country for Old Men,
Men in Black, where he's like the grumpy old man,

(01:19:45):
and but that's like, that's the iconic Tommy Lee Jones.
That's right, Like it's not you don't think a coal
miner's daughter, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, but I guess it's just weird when you think
about like a Gene Hackman, you haven't seen him for
like fifteen years, and then you see a picture of
him and he looks very old and different. It's hard
to see, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Ninety four I mean pretty rough, like right, yeah, but
but Gene Agman is actually a great example of somebody
really coming into their own sure old, like like in
The Unforgiven, like like from Unforgiven and and after, Like
that's what I think of when I think of Gene Hackman.
I don't, yeah, I don't really think of like, you know,

(01:20:25):
Bonnie and Clyde or French Connection, even though French Connections
all obviously like probably the greatest movie. But that's not
like what I picture. Whenever I picture Gene Hackman, I
picture the coach of the replacements.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, I picture Hunt for Red October Gene Hackman, just
like I believe that was wasn't it Hunt for Red October? No,
he was in the seventy one movie or whatever it's called. Yeah,
it was another submarine one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
I think, yeah, yea, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
That's my bad. But yeah, that's kind of how I remember,
and that's how he's stick in my mind, is or
like I remember him as Lex lu there is in
Superman as well. Yeah you know what I mean. But
some of these guys start late, like Morgan Freeman started late.
Morgan Freeman's looks the same age for forty years.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Dude, well he's starting to catch up now. I saw
a picture of him like pretty recently. I was like,
whoa rough, But but you're right. I mean he did
look like you go back and look at Shawshank and
then look at Brust Almighty and then look at like
a movie from like five years ago, and you don't know, well,
you can't tell which one came out in what order,
Like he just always looked like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I have this weird theory about Chris Cornell from you know,
Sound Garden an audio Slave that I feel like for
whatever reason. And I'm probably totally wrong, but it just
feels that way, like he probably he's seeing all his
peers go into the rock and Roll Hall of Fame
and he keeps getting passed up, and I feel like
he was probably thinking along the lines of like, well,
if I'm dead, maybe they'll put me into, you know,

(01:21:55):
sort of immortalize me into the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, because that's what happens when these guys die.
I mean, Kirk Obin was an amazing artist, but his
body of work wasn't very huge to say that he
should be, you know, not to say he shouldn't be
in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Obviously he
should be, but like if he would have, if that
would have been the there are only couple albums they

(01:22:15):
made and they didn't do anything else. Like it almost
feels like they living too long is a bad thing,
right for some of these For some of these musicians.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It can be, but uh, I mean, as far as
rock and Hall of Fame goes, I don't think any
of them give a fuck about being in the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame. That thing is no one
takes that thing seriously at all, Like so like especially
people who were like big in like the you know nineties,
like alternative scene, like now they look at the Hall
of Fame like that's just kind of the same way

(01:22:46):
I do. It's a fucking joke. It's Rolling Stone magazine
just you know, picking and choosing who they think deserves
to be considered great, and you know, putting people in
who aren't rock music. It's it's, yeah, that whole fucking
thing is a disaster. I've talked endlessly about it, But
like I think Nirvana still would have been just I

(01:23:08):
think Kirk Cobain still would have been an icon. But
you're right, like he it would have been. It takes
away from it whenever you can see like if an interview,
if you see an interview with a fifty year old
Kirk Cobain, like that would take away some of that.
But I don't know, because like Bob Dylan got old,
and you know, it doesn't take away his like legacy,

(01:23:31):
Like people aren't like yeah, but Bob Dylan you know doesn't,
like he still considered arguably like one of the most
influential musicians of all time, if not the most. I
mean Paul McCartney. Same way, like Paul McCartney's old, and
I mean, granted, John Lennon died kind of young, but
I still think Paul McCartney is like immortalized almost just
as much Mick Jagger. I mean, you look like how

(01:23:54):
people look at Mick Jagger like it's David Bowie like it.
There are some people who an age you know to
like can grow into like old age. Who it doesn't
it doesn't take away from who they are, but I
think a lot of those people probably would have ended
up making some real shitty music. I don't think Jimmy
Hendrix had a whole lot left at him. You don't

(01:24:16):
think so is fuck no, that last album's not even
that good. So it was like, goddamn, if you only
make three albums and the third ones not even that
goods like you really are struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
But that's that's exactly my point though. And it's like, again,
I'm not taking anything away from Kurt Cobain, but you
got some pretty good bands coming out around that time
that doesn't have as much commercial success as Nirvana still does.
And I think that the reason that is because one
he was very handsome, you know, when he was a
dark there's a very there's a market for the dark,

(01:24:49):
you know, emo type of guy and things like that
is super handsome and in his feelings and all that stuff.
So that adds to the legend. And again I'm not
saying he wouldn't have gone on to make some amazing music.
I'm sure he would have. But there's a lot of
bands from that era that you know, don't don't have
the same commercial success, but they still were very, very good,

(01:25:09):
like Alison Chains and things like that. Now Lane Staley's
death kind of added to that. You know, they're added
to their legend as well, I guess you could say.
But but there are bands from that like Mother Lovebone
and bands like that that don't that you don't know
as much of, or even Soundgarden. I mean, Soundgarden has
has Chris Cornell has is consistently considered one of the

(01:25:31):
best vocalists of all times. But yet he's still not
in the rock and roll Hall of Fame, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
So Soundgarden isn't in the broken roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
No, that's and again neither is Alison Chains.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Nou. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Even know if Age Against the Machine is, and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
And didn't they I thought they just did, and maybe
I'm not. Maybe I'm I thought it was like a
couple of years ago. Maybe, but I could be wrong
about that. I'm looking enough what they did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Because then I think they made it in twenty twenty three, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Okay, that's why. Yeah, well nine Inch Nails isn't I
don't think, which it's like, that's that's one that should
be in there, like more so than any like those
bands from that time. One they're older, so they've been
eligible for longer. But yeah, nine Chanells I don't think
is in it. Like that's that's why we're like, how now,
how the fuck are y'all not in the wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Yeah? MATURENT residors are probably the most influential musicians of
all love like the past, you know, from the nineties
to now, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I don't think it's fair too that the regardless of
what you think about like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys,
Like why wouldn't they ever be considered because like they are,
they were very influential. I know that they didn't write
a lot of their own music. I know that, you know,
it's cheesy and all that stuff, but they sold a
lot of albums and they they were a big part

(01:26:56):
of an era that sort of defined a whole, Like
my whole high school life was everybody was into n
Sync and Backstreet Boys and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
So yeah, I mean, I'm with you. I just I
think there's a lot they need to start adding a
lot of other people in before they start putting in
fucking Backstreet Boys and then sync into the rock and
the Hall of Fame like if you because you know,
if you're going to go that route, then they got
to start acknowledging some of the eighties like metal bands
that you haven't even been looked at. Of course, Iron

(01:27:27):
Maiden's not in it, isn't it. Actually I think Judus
Price did finally get it. But like Deaf Leopard, they're
never gonna put Death Leopard in that damn thing. But
I I mean, you better. You gotta put them in
before you put you gotta put Motley Crue in, Like
you have to put those bands in before you can
start putting in like I mean, yeah, and then once

(01:27:48):
they do, then shit, yeah, put them in. I mean
they were massive, like massively famous and people still listen
to them, and I mean, you know, you got Madonna
in there already, like they have pop and R and
B like rap up and you know something, in the
rock and Hall of Fame, it's not a rock and
roll Hall of Fame, you know, like it's it's really
just a music hall of Fame now, which is fine,

(01:28:09):
nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
But and listen, I agree their manufactured music and all
that stuff, I understand. But if you but those guys
still had to go on tour, they still had to
work at it, they still had to do the little
stupid choreography and all the other stuff. Man, I don't
feel like they get enough love for that. And it
just sucks because they definitely should in some way and
just just be acknowledged a little bit. You don't have
to put him in, just put them on the list

(01:28:32):
at least considerably.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Right. It's like they didn't do anything that Elvis didn't
do exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I was gonna say that about mini artists.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Actually, yeah, Elvis didn't write a single song. Elvis was
handed songs. They were picked by I mean, he picked
a few of them, but mostly it was picked by
the record companies and Colonel Tom Parker, Hey, we want
you to do a rendition of this song and he did,
and that's his entire career. His entire career was singing
karaoke while dancing. That's it. Holl Was was a glorified

(01:29:03):
karaoke singer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
So I swear I just mentioned this on the last
podcast with Cosmic Peach. I mean, I was just saying
that it's like that in country music too. A lot
of people don't realize that. If you look up George
Strait songs, most of them, like the majority of them,
he didn't write. He just was like, carry you music.
And I hate that, dude. I hate to say that
because he's one of my favorite country music stars. But

(01:29:25):
if you if you're not writing the songs and making
the chords play and all that stuff, then it's not you.
I want to hear from you. I want to hear
from your soul and your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
You know. Yeah, country music is a real problem with that. Yeah, Now,
I swear over the past, I'd say probably from the
eighties to now, but really more so the nineties, like
really like the nineties now when Nashville became a place
where where, you know, whenever they started really making it
like this kind of pattern based music, like where everything

(01:29:59):
follows like formulaic whenever they made it formulate, and now
you and then all these songwriters from around the country
who were trying to write like actually fucking good music
but aren't getting any work, or like, well, I could
go down to Nashville and write these basic as chord
progressions with these basic as lyrics and make a ton

(01:30:20):
of money. And now there's I mean, there's a songwriter
every five feet in Nashville who's doing this. And now
every country musician like a fuck, you know, like some
douchebag like Morgan Wallen will have fifteen people writing in
a song about, you know, sitting on a tailgate and
drinking a beer. And it's like, how did that take
fifteen people to write that song? But it was because

(01:30:41):
Nashville has i mean probably sixty percent of the population
of that city or godamn songwriters, and yeah they But
that's that's how country music is now, and that's why
I that's one of the main reasons why I have
zero respect for country music of the past fucking thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Now, I'm with you, dude, I can't listen to it.
I just whenever it is formulate. Whenever I listen to it.
My wife listens to it if it's on. I'm just like,
I can, literally, without any skill whatsoever, sit here and
sing words along to this tune and have the exact
same song that they've made and people love it still,
And I just don't understand how you can't see. I

(01:31:22):
think people are craving authenticity, right, I mean, I think
that it's it's such it's lacking so much in our life,
in our culture, that people will go towards anybody who's
willing to give them the truth, the honesty, their honest
opinion on things. It's not sugarcoated, it's not filtered, it's
just the it's just a raw them. Like you're gonna

(01:31:44):
you're gonna hear the same opinions from me talking with
my mom or whoever about this stuff as I'm talking
with you right now. There's not going to be any
difference in what I'm saying whatsoever. And people miss that,
they crave that because they've they turn on the news
and they get all this just garbage fed news, and
they get garbage music that's you know, filtered in statistically

(01:32:06):
tuned and things like that. To whatever fits the album
or whatever sells the most, they do it with movies.
They do it with sports, dude, they do it so bad.
And baseball. I'm a big baseball fan, and they do
it with sports with all these statistics. Well, statistically, he's
not gonna hit off with this left hander. It's how
do you know that you live? The guys play, dude,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah, Well, that's the problem with statistics is that they're
for the most part, complete bullshit. But statisticians can convince
the hell out of people that they are, you know,
worth something. And sports, you know, they think, yeah, it's
all based on status. It's that moneyball philosophy that yeah,
it worked for the fucking a's back in the day.

(01:32:47):
But who gives us shit like it? I mean, the
Yankees won't worried about that when they won twenty plus
World Series. They won't worried about the statistics. They're worried
about who the fuck is gonna help us win this year.
They didn't care about five years from now. They didn't
care about what's the longevity of this person. It was
who is going to get us a World Series of

(01:33:08):
win this year, not next year, this year? And I
mean you go back and look, that's been the Yankees
philosophy or was you know, for since the twenties and yeah,
then you have statisticians coming in who are like, well,
actually his longevity shows blah blah blah. So it would
be more uh, it would be more prudent to, you know,
get this person because he has a better longevity, you know,

(01:33:31):
and his on base percentage is higher. It's like, well,
you know what, I'd rather have somebody that cranks a
fucking five hundred foot home run and uh we put
him forth up to bat, then have some guy who
gets on base, you know, sixty percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Well, there's a mentality that you have too, that winners have,
and you can't if you got a bunch of people
who are athletes and you get about on the field.
A good friend of mine plays for the Tampa Bay Rays.
His name is Jonathan Rock. He is on a freaking
take right now. He's just crushing the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
His own base percentage is like thirteen hundred, I mean
one point three or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Yeah, he's on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
A tear and he's a left handed batter. Well, yesterday
at the start of the game, they sat him on
the bench because I guess historically he hasn't hit well
against the left handed batter. But I don't understand that.
If he is, If he is hitting that, well, why
don't you just let the man eat right. It's like
let him cook right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Let him go up once. Yeah, and let him go
up and see or or start doing it in practice.
Have him just going up against the lefty. You gotta
have one in your bullpen. I imagine have him just
going up against the lefty non stop and just see
what happens. So that, I mean, who cares if historically,

(01:34:47):
if something if an athlete is doing something wrong historically,
that's what practice is for, is for making sure that
it doesn't happen in the future, like yeah, I mean,
and then yeah, and then just I don't know. That's
that's such a crazy fucking thing to do.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Listen, man, I gotta go get my kids soon here
from school. It's been a great conversation. I hate to
end it on baseball, but I don't know if you
are a big baseball fan, but I am. I can
talk about all day.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
So I'm not. I used to be a fan back
in the day whenever they were juice and that's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Dude, that's the way you got to look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Well, I'm excited for the torpedo bats have made me
become more of a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah, But just like I said, people will adjust, you know,
the pitchers will adjust. They'll start pitching more inside and
there will be more people who get hit by the ball.
They'll start pitching outside and you'll get more broken bats,
and so they're just going to adjust to, you know,
to whatever the trend is obviously, but yeah, I'm not
worried about them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Yeah, it does like it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Yeah, I like you just added a little element, a
little little bit of flavor to the game and get
people interested.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
There are people who are talking about torpedo bats that
I didn't even think we're into baseball, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
I'm one of them. Yeah, Yeah, I haven't talked about
baseball since I was playing you know, literally like you know,
since yeah, since Jason Giambi was playing on the Yankees. Yeah.
So yeah, now I'm with you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Well, would you mind go ahead and let everyone know
one more time where they can find you, and we'll
go ahead and wrap.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
It up absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
On Instagram, it's at the code Tucker.

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I have a TikTok. I don't even remember what it is.
If you look up my name, I think it'll probably
come up, uh. And then a YouTube it's the Codey
Tucker Show, where you could just type in my name
and YouTube and it'll probably come up as well. But yeah,
that's that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Well, Cody, I appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Like I said, it's good to have a conversation with
someone that it's a little bit more lighthearted in pop
culture and fun and it's not so serious and so
heavy all the time into the occult or the conspiracies
of the paranormal. Sometimes I get into that stuff, man,
and I just go, Man, what am I into? What
am I getting? I'm too I'm in deep with this stuff,

(01:37:03):
like I'm trying to now I'm learning physics and all
this stuff, trying to figure out where you know, aliens
are coming from and all this. I'm like, what am
I doing it? I should just be living life and
enjoying life sometimes and sometimes I get too deep into
it and I need to pull myself out of it
a little bit and just enjoy life a little bit
and talk about what's you know, what's what I really
think about all the time. I think about baseball all

(01:37:24):
the time. I think about movies. I like movies still.
I'm very I'm very aware of the agenda by Hollywood
and all that stuff. I'm very aware of all the
hidden messages and stuff like that. But I do like,
I do enjoy watching movies, and I do enjoy watching
reels like yours on Instagram where all these connections. I
just love knowing that stuff because it's good to pull
it out of the out of nowhere and just be like, hell, yeah,

(01:37:47):
let me tell you about this, this is what happened,
let me tell you what Nickelodeon really means, or whatever
the case is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
So they say, I'm glad. I'm glad you like it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
But guys, go find him online at the Kody Tucker
on Instagram. He's got an amazing Instagram. Obviously. You know,
big time people were coming on on a show as well,
And it's just because you keep putting in the work, man,
and you're providing really good content and giving people what
they actually like, what they want to know about. So
keep up with good work, dude, and thanks again for

(01:38:17):
coming on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Anytime, man, I really appreciate it. Man, Yeah, anytime.

Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
But I don't know, trying to see I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
I'm not just.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
Self, and you want me in the right direction. God,
send me your blessing. I'm so tie up, stress. It's
music's turn.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
To oubsession upsision.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
I got a long way to go to he's my family,
my clothes uping with bis, some sweat and the ring
going half and say, having sent course, and I can
change all my mistakes, but y'all be half down the
fall out and mean the things that I allus natan
from the out house.

Speaker 5 (01:39:30):
But now I can stop my own fall.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I gotta stand town overcome a scene up and down
at ther rosand the church here. So Lord, well, I'm
standing at the gross.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
I don't know when to I news control, trying not
to see my soul. I'm standing at the gross. I
don't know where I news the control, trying.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Not just self, no whitting back, thinking about the men Maris. Now,
I don't know who's a friend of me. These people
lack back. They can to me, but that's still a
man's to reap. A man's never wants me to lose
my my religion.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
But I won't stop what I to find. I won't
give and won't give. So I'm gonna sit down right
head preak.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
And that's the Lord above to help and change my way.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
Today.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
The world's stilling with green and be and hey, you
moveing to them fan the bybrection to the break.

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
You can love me. Hey, I'm in a don't break.
I'm at the cross road. I'm trying to find my way.
Can your health be? Oh? Can you health be? And
I'm standing at the gross. I don't know where. Our
news a control trying not to see my soul. I'm
standing at the gross. I don't know wh our news

(01:40:58):
a control trying not to sell so little please got me?
Got me? Well, procisty side take mine, show me the way,
show me the wig.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Or please got me got me?

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
All pac side joy to take money, show me the way.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
I'm standing at.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
I don't know when to our news a control trying
not to see my soul.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
I'm standing at the crossoson. I don't know when. Our
nis a control trying not to sell so but I'm
standing at the gross. I don't know when to my
news a control trying not to see my soul. I'm

(01:41:53):
standing at the crossos hoone. I don't know where to go.
Ourn was a con. Try not to sell soon

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