Sky Ships: Aliens vs. Demons, Bigfoot, Cherokee Little People, DUMBs, Google Earth, The Oregon Vortex, & Spherical Souls, w/ Mary Joyce

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Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome to the show. Everyone, you're listening to the Awakened podcast.
I'm your host, Brad Lale. Thank you so much for
joining me on this awakening journey. In this episode, I'm
joined by author and investigative journalist Mary Joyce. Mary is
a former editor and columnist for two major Metro newspapers
and the founder of skyshipsovercashers dot com. She has spent
many years documenting UFO sightings and investigating underground military bases,

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bigfoot encounters, and the mysterious Cherokee Little People. We get
into all of these topics and so much more in
this episode. I'm extremely excited to share this one with y'all.
So with that said, let's go ahead and hear from
Mary Joyce right now. For me, there's a path of

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conspiracy leads to paranormal leads to spirituality typically, and that
was kind of the journey I went on, and so
I got I went down the rabbit hole from years
for paranormal, and then I just started kind of formulating
my own perspective and ideas on where these things are
coming from, what they are, and what it all boils
down to for me is to be honest. With the
UFOs and the talk of aliens and all that stuff,

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they're all demons in my opinion. So we can get
into that if you want. I did not share that
with you, oh, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Because I believe that God has created the entire universe
and I cannot believe that every creature beyond this earth
is evil, and that's what that assumption would make. God
would not do that.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
What's interesting is I am kind of torn in some
regards when it comes to bigfoot, Like I have seen
documentaries like I've seen a there's a bigfoot documentary called
the Satanga, I believe, and it talks about how bigfoots
are kind of protective, like they're unique individuals in some regards,
like they're very tribal, but then they have like with

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the Satanga there was a talk of an older lady
who lived by herself out there died. I believe this
is the story. I could be getting it wrong, but
there was a group of Stonga, like Bigfoot is what
they you know, a star name for him. Satonga is
what the Native Americans call it there. But they would
protect this lady. They started kind of like protecting her,

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and there was there was an elder Bigfoot in the
tribe who was protecting her, and then he died, and
then the younger one was reluctant to provide protection to
this lady, but I think they still kind of did it.
So it was interesting. It's interesting to hear that there's
a possibility that Bigfoot made you know, it goes against
our pop culture beliefs of what Bigfoot is. It's interesting

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to think because my mom is a single lady now
as well. She's widowed, and ever since my dad died,
she's had a lot of weird encounters like that too.
She's encountered these predator looking, you know, cloaked entities what
she thinks might be Bigfoot, and her and her neighbor
encountered at the same time. She's also seen tons of

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a worbs. So it's very interesting that take on and
that I think you have a similar take on the
on Bigfoot, right.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I don't lump them all together. For the most part,
if you don't bother them, they do not cause trouble.
They will cause trouble if you mess with them or
their kids. They don't much care for people with guns.
But I did a book on Bigfoot, and there's a
lot of stories where they're very human like. And I

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don't mean like humans are behaving right now, because I'm
not real sure. I like what humans are doing right now,
but the human side without us being radical, and they
have children and they have families, and I've met a
lot of people who've had nothing but positive experiences with them.
I know there's a negative side. I know that too,

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but we also have that in the human race.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, that's very true. I guess. I guess after they're
looking at a lot of the cases of like UFOs
and stuff. I've heard a lot of shows. I've never
experienced anything like that in my life, but anytime I've
had I have had some sort of spiritual attacks before. Man,
you know, with like sleep paralysis type things. And every
time you say the name of Jesus. These things sort

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of dispersed, these aliens and stuff that was my mindset
on the demon stuff, the big foot stuff. I will
admit I'm not fully sure what to make of them, Like,
what are they?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Are you familiar with Chris Bledsoe, because I think you
too would have a lot in common.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I am familiar with him. I've actually reached out to
him a couple of times to try to have him
on the show and haven't. Haven't been able to reach him,
but he's yeah, he's not far from me, actually, and
so I really won't talk to him.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I met him before when he was still at the
stage where it was scaring him to death and he
went through some absolute hell until it got all sorted out.
I think it went about five years, where you know,
his life was just tormented. He is very much a Christian,
but not in the church. The church people who were

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very fundamental really rejected him and what was happening to
him and his family went through a lot of pain.
But he's had nothing but positive experiences. And since you
have similar Christian backgrounds, I think you might enjoy each
other's company. Except he's so busy now, so it might

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be hard. It might be hard to wrestle him down.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, I'm actually pretty open minded. I'm open to explore
new evidences. Just like I said, for me, from what
I'm looking at it, it seems for me some of
this stuff doesn't seem right. And I'm always cautious because
the Bible does warn us to beware of the devil
passing himself off as an angel of light, you knowing.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
To need the Bible to take that stance. It's just
plain good sense because we're always dealing with different shades
of light and dark and everything between the two. So
that's just wise.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I wanted to talk to you about your your website,
sky shifts over cash Go for it, sky shifts over
cashiers dot com. Right, did it?

Speaker 3 (07:04):
You did it and we're listening. Cashers is the name
of the high mountain town in North Carolina, and it's
spelled just like the cashier at the grocery store. But
all the people around here call it Cashers.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And it's look at it in the Blue Ridge Mountains?
Is that right in the Apalachian region? Okay, So what's
interesting to me about that region? And I know you
have a lot of people sharing their experiences did you
live there or you're you're currently in that region, right,
but you're not in the same town.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm not in Cashiers. It would take me about forty
minutes to get there. It's to the south of me.
Did you live there, No, I've always had it outside
of Silva. I actually live at the foot of the
Blue Ridge, and so from my window I can look
up at the Blue Ridge.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Let's see. I know that you use it.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
You want location. A lot of people know where the
Cherokee Indian Reservation is and if you can't do this,
but if you could go straight over the mountain to
the north of me, it would be on the reservation,
but you have to take the winding way to get there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I went through there last year. I was on a
vacation with my family up in that region and so
I wrote through there, spent some time around there for
about a week. Very interesting area and there's like big
foot signs everywhere. It's very Uh, everybody's very open minded
to the idea of paranormal. In fact, every a lot
more people are now more open to the idea of
paranormal than what they used to be. You know, everybody's

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sort of openly talking about things now. Do you think
that there's a reason for that. I mean, do you
think that there's like an awareness level that we're gaining
or we gaining some sort of a new knowledge.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
And it does seem like it is speeded up in
the last year. Yeah, yeah, I kind of I don't
see it slowing down.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
They mean to jump in on you. I kind of
call that the great Awakening. That's just my personal take
on it. I also and they're.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Doing it gently for us, because you know, if we
just got hit in the side of the face with
it all of a sudden, most of us wouldn't react
very well. So there has been this very slow unveiling
of what's going on.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Who are they?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
There's a whole lot of days. There's a whole lot
of days. But you can start with our government. They
sat on information forever since Roswell and actually made fun
of people and discredited them for years. But now they're
they're letting that information out.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So I know that you used to do journalism right
for many years.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I've worked for the Orlando Sentinel and worked for the
Oakland Press in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
What pulled you from doing mainstream newsroom stuff to high strange,
high strangeness research out of the Casher's region. What was
it that kind of piqued your interest with that.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I was just born with a big curiosity and it's
taken me many many places, and this is one that
is constantly revealing new things. So I haven't gotten board
with it. How's that for an answer.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Have you ever had any experiences yourself?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I have, Yes, I have what type.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Bigfoot encounters, UFO encounters, sleep paralysis.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, when the first time I started seeing UFOs was
actually down in Florida, and I lived between Patrick Air
Force Base and the Kennedy Space Center. And you know,
there's no mountains down there. You can see the sky
in every direction, and there would always be UFOs. I
shouldn't say always. I saw UFOs when there would be
major launches at the base, and that's when I became

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very very aware of them. And they would often appear
around military bases and or places where lakes where they
could get water. But for a while there I was
lecturing around Florida just about UFOs over Florida. That was
basically the topic. And one of the things that surprised
me when I was speaking down well, where was a

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little Santa Belle Island maybe, And there were these guys
at a table that were way off, like in a
separate room from where I was speaking, but I could
see him. And afterwards I started talking to them because
I wanted to find out what in the world was
going on with them. And at the time they said
they were with Blue Book, which I thought was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Really interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I used to be stationed at mcdiller First Base in Tampa,
and I would always hear stories about stuff off the
coast all the time, and that was you know, that
was back in two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
when when it wasn't really popular to say those things.
All the airmen were kind of whispering about seeing this
and that and the other.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
So it really changed because they talk about it now,
though I did. When I was on that part of
the coast, I got to meet Clark McClellan, who was
a trained astronaut, but he worked from mission control so
that if anything went wrong in space, he would be
able to do as much as possible from the ground.

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And when he was observing one of these missions, he
saw two astronauts of talking to apparently talking to a
very tall alien that was in the open bay of
the space shuttle, and he didn't keep his mouth shut
about it. He felt the public had a right to

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know things like that, and he lost his job. And
I was fortunate enough to be there at a small
little bungalow home when he first started talking about what
had happened to him, and he was just devastated. They
absolutely blackballed him because he quote talked too much.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I guess seems to happened to a lot of folks.
I believe I've heard that. I think I've heard that
story before, and it's probably where the origination of the
idea of like the movie Men in Black, there was
a scene where they were I believe Kennedy's basin or
at least some launch center. I can't remember the movie exactly,
but off the east coast, you know, that's the Bermuda
Triangle region, and so it's very a lot of high strains.

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This has been reported over there for many, many years, yeah, forever.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
And we're hearing more and more about underwater bases.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, which is very interesting. I mean, it's it's so
weird that they're openly talking about this in Congress.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Now, that's why I say, you don't get bored with
this stuff because it keeps, you know, revealing itself.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, for me, like I already it's like I already
know that they exist. You know, I don't need to
hear proof. I don't need to see proof. I mean,
I would like to see proof, that's amazing, but I
already kind of know that they exist. I'm sure you
do as well. But for me, I don't necessarily get bored.
I was just like I want to know more, Like
what are they? Where are they coming from? I just
don't want to see pictures anymore. I just don't want

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to see videos anymore. Maybe that's just my thirst for
more knowledge.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I mean, it keeps baking. You want deep yeahing to
dig deeper, and that's that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, I mean to me into the talk of like
consciousness and ether and all this other stuff that you know,
the metaphysical stuff that we never really talk about. And
so whenever I listen to these things, and if I
don't hear those kind of things, that doesn't perk my ears.
It doesn't perk my ears up anymore. I want to know, like,
because I know that they're coming in from some sort
of an etheric realm. Right, there is beyond our perception.

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We can't see them, we can't experience them every day.
I want them, right, And so why do you think
that is?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Probably would? I think there's many reasons. I think it
would scare most people to death to suddenly have a
creature that they'd never seen before up here in their bedroom.
I mean, I think fear would be the normal reaction.
So I think everything is being exposed gently so we
won't have heart attacks.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's what gives me caution whenever I hear stories
like with the bloodstos and everything, is you know if
they because I've heard stories that they're benevolent, and I've
heard a lot of different things like that. And if
they are benevolent, how we don't see them and experience
them on a regular basis. How come we don't know
about them throughout history? How come they've been relegated to
the shadows, and how come they've been hidden?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
What haven't we known throughout history?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
We well, we kind of know of them, but you
don't have a lot of documented history at least that
we know of that we've seen. That explains tall you know,
different versions of aliens and their interactions with humans and
they're helping people on Earth. Now some people call.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
It actually there's a whole lot of information. Problem is
you have to spend a lot of time digging. I mean,
this goes back a long time ago. The de Goong tribe.
You know, they were saying they're very primitive, but they
were saying they were from Cyrus or serious or whatever.
And that was at a time when well, let me

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back up, they were talking about I think the number
of planets or moons or something around Cyrus. At the
time that they were talking about it, our astronomers hadn't
discovered those yet. So there's a lot of things that,
you know, indicate there's been information for a very long time,
starting with the caves. There's a ton of cave drawings
and wall drawings and.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, no, I listen, I totally agree with you. There's
a lot of hidden history there that a lot of
Native American folklore, that's what they call it folklore. I
believe that what they're what they're telling us. So, yes,
there is thousands and thousands of years of documentation, but
mainstream academia, mainstream education, mainstream media, governments, they don't tell
us this stuff. They don't, you know, they're not going

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to give you an interpretation of a cave drawing that
looks clearly looks like an alien. Uh, they're not going
to tell us that's what that is. Is my point.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
There are now because I think there's less of my
sphere that they'll lose their jobs.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, what do you make of the idea that there's
a lot of like hidden structures that are like we
in South Carolina, we have one that's being revealed right now.
There's an archaeological site that's being uncovered. And there's a
lot of megaliths in the United States. There's one up
in my Antana is called the Sage Wall. There's stuff everywhere.
A lot of people are looking on Google Maps and
they're searching the deserts for all these different places, and

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you can find, like in Utah, there's these places where
these giant megalithic blocks so like they're perfectly cut, so
like it seems like there's a history of the world
that they're not telling us about, which concerns me. Right,
It's like, let me tell you one.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Of the stories that are not stories. One of the
things I found out and I don't know why they're
hiding it. Most sciences believe that Antarctic has been covered
in ice for about thirty four million years. That's a
long time, but even if you cut that in half,
it's still a very long time into our past. Well,
in twenty twenty one, we began to find ancient cities

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that were being that we could find because the ice
was melting so quickly and you can see the wall structure.
So we found five cities. All right, If the ice
has been there for at least thirty four million years
or less, that's an ancient civilization that nobody talks about. Now.
When we found evidence of that, when I posted it

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on the website, it always got white washed out or
blurred out, so thank goodness, I saved the pictures. But
as soon as I and this lets you know that
they kind of keep an eye on everybody, because as
soon as I have posted things on the website so
many times, it's been almost instantly blurred out. And that
includes those five ancient cities we found, and those are

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I have pictures of those in my book, which is
simply called Spy on the.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Sky, which is I've been trying to get a hold
of copy of so and when you texted me this
morre you sent me an email this morning. I was like, Hey, great,
I don't have to find somebody, you know, pay two
hundred and fifty dollars for it, which I would gladly do.
But I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Pay that much for anybody's book. But it's there because
there's been an effort to keep that book from getting out.
And I have five books listed on Amazon. That's the
only one I've had trouble with. So you can only
get that book through me right now. And it's it's
cheap compared to what you would have paid on Amazon.

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It's sixteen bucks. And so if you contact me that
and maybe if you think you have people who are interested,
you can provide that information to your audience.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
I certainly will. I will if you allow me, if
you give me permission, I'll put it in the show
notes that way people can reach out to you.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Love that because all I'm trying to do this to
get information out. Believe me, this is not a money
making product. I knowing the whole on some of these projects.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I tell people that all the time whenever I'm talking
on the show, like I'm like I run ads on
this show, and I know people are getting really tired
of having to fast forward through the ads. But I'm like,
I literally this little bit of money that I make
from advertising, it helps support the show. It helps the
show just keep going because I'm just trying to get
information out there as well.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I feel you on that realize so much it costs
just to do a website and keep it going, or
just to have a podcast and keep it going.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Can you tell me a little bit about what's in
the Spy in the skybook? Can give me a little
bit of the contest that what you think might be
banned and why.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay, I just got, as I said, curious, and I
started exploring the universe using Google Earth. Google Earth Pro
can really show you a lot of stuff. So I
have cruised Mars, I've cruised the Moon, I've cruised the
Sun and objects around the Sun. So I've used it

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as a tool. So it's a wonderful tool. But at
the same time when I use it, they will also
just you keep me from sharing it, so it's very peculiar.
But that's how I started exploring things, and the Mars thing. Actually,
I think the early state I can remember is twenty
eleven that I would start these cruises with Google Earth.

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And for some reason, what's coming to mind right now
is that back in twenty eleven, I found what looks
to be a habitat so that a human could live
on Mars. Five years later I found another one around
the South Pole. They looked very similar in structure. The

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first one I found in twenty eleven was seven hundred
feet in length. The one I found five years later
was seven thousand feet long, so it was ten times
the size of the first one. And so everything I
have in the book, not only do I have the
photos that I did print screen and I got those

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photos as soon as I could because they would disappear,
and I had the coordinates. Some of the things can
still be found with those coordinates, but I include them
whether you can still see them or not. And I
do that with everything. I get very annoyed with people
who post things. I don't care where they posted, but
they have this great picture, let's say, on Mars, tell

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you where it is or how to find it, And
I just don't think that's right. So I always put
the coordinates in.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I remember a while back when Google Earth first started
come when it first came out, I would go and
I would look, and you could look along the coastlines
of the different of the countries around the world. And
now everything's blurred out, you know, So it's very interesting,
like why and that again, that takes me back to
why would they cover this up? Why would they continue
to hide this stuff? And in my opinion, that's what

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national forests are, you know, that's what these state parks are,
is a way to kind of cover up the history
of what's happened in this world. And that makes me
very curious as to why they're not disclosing that to us.
Like if there's evidence that cataclysms happen on a regular basis,
I think people should know that. First of all, that's

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very important information. If there's an advanced civilizations that used
to live in on this earth, I think that's important,
or if they look used to live on Mars or
whatever it is. So why do you think they continue
to cover that up? Though it can't be just from fear.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, I don't know. I cannot justify it. I really
don't think they have a right to keep that from everybody.
Why they had our ancient history is more puzzling to
me than hiding UFO activity on Mars. I don't know why.
And by the way, there's evidence that human beings or

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our astronauts are already interacting with ets. And I will
pull up something here real quickly. I see here, sure,
I will, so small I can't see it all right.
There's a man and his name is Hiam Asheed, and
he was the head of Israeli security space programs for

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almost thirty years, and in December of twenty twenty he
went public. And I just want to read two sentences
from his statement that he gave in the Jerusalem Post,
which is regarded pretty well. And one sentence was there's
an agreement between the US government and the Aliens. Another sentence,

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there's an underground base in the depths of Mars where
the Aliens and also our American astronauts are there. I
didn't read that right, But that's the essence of it.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Is that the greata treaty with Eisenhower from the fifties.
Is that what he was talking about.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
He didn't use the word treaty.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Oh he didn't. Okay, maybe a great agreement. I guess
this is what is the word you used? But the
reason I think that something odd is going on is like,
why are they constantly abducting humans when they're sleeping and
things like that, And why do people say that they're
abducted one time to be impregnated there and abducted another
time to see their hybrid kids? Like why are people

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having those experiences? What is the purpose of hiding all that?
And to me, it feels like our government's kind of
working with them to help them inhabit earth, because I
don't think they can live on the surface. I think
they have to live underground. I think they have to
live in the oceans because I think that the light
kind of disperses them, if you will. It just seems
like with the abductions and with the weird underground stuff

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that's happening, it seems like that there's something far more
nefarious going on than what we're led to believe. I
don't think that they're like the you know, we come
in peace aliens that we see on TV. And that's
kind of my kind of my theory on things. Have
you interacted with these things? Have you had any kind
of close encounters or any kind of telepathic communication or

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anything in any kind of experiences you have. I saw
that you've photographed orbs around the sun and stuff like that. Before.
Has there ever been any kind of mind to mind communication.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
The most dramatic thing that I can think of was
a bunch of years ago, and I was on the
West coast of Florida, and I lived on the East coast,
and I'd been on the West coast on the Gulf side,
you know, all day long, late until the night, and
so the co founder of this website and I were
going back to the Atlantic side. We were tired, and

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we stopped just to walk around, and we were close
to the Disney area, which might make you wonder, but nevertheless,
We're sitting there on a bench and this is after midnight,
and this man comes by and he looks like he
is a security guard or something like that. And he

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looked at us, and he went over and opened a
gate to where a construction site was. Then he left.
He looked at us again and kept walking. He looked
like a man in a daze. Well, old curiosity here
went over there and I saw a UFO, a small one,
a scout ship hovering above that spot. Now what makes

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this much more interesting is before all this happened while
sitting on the bench all of a sudden, and if
I had blinked, I wouldn't have seen this. I felt
something hit my head like this. If my eyes were shut,
I would not have seen it. But it was about
the size of a bank check. It was like this
really bright yellow green light went here. And then I

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felt in the back of my head, which is the
part of your head where you have visions, where you see,
you know where your site is located. And it was
after that that I had this experience. So you can
put those pieces together anyway you want to.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Interesting. I don't think that I've ever had any close
encounters or anything. I don't know why I'm open minded
to all this. I've never had any major experiences. The
things that kind of woke me up to all of
this was I started hearing family members talking about little
things here and there. And then I grew up on
the thirty third Parallel in the Charleston area, and there's

(27:57):
a lot of high strangeness we've heard of, like lights
and the orbs and stuff like that. And once I
started finding out that we, for one, we lived in
a national forest. We lived near Charleston Air Force base.
We lived on a fault line. We lived. There's a
lot of signs in my mind, signs that point to
paranormal activity around the world. Is, you know, fault lines, fissures, volcanoes,

(28:17):
extinct volcanoes, waterfalls, flowing water, things like that.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
All right, let me throw something else in here. I
did a book on underground bases in North Carolina, and
one is underneath the Great Smoky Mountain National Park, not
in the park where all the people are, it's in
the eastern part that's really kind of wild. One is
near the Chimney Rock Park, which is a state park.

(28:43):
Then there's one at Mount Mitchell, which is you know,
another resort type place. There's another one near the Lindill Gorge.
A lot of tourists type places, a lot of forestry
type places, a lot of public land where they choose
to have our military be under down. And the other

(29:04):
thing that's interesting is here in this area where I live,
we have Bigfoot, we have little Cherokee little people, we
have the underground bases, we had the UFOs, and there's
a great deal of activity here.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm assuming that you're in the Nantahala National Forest Area, right, Yeah, So,
like any again, that's my point. I feel like these
were kind of roped off areas. And that's where I
grew up in a similar area, national forest military bases nearby,
you know, fault lines, fissures and stuff like that. And
I had all these family members kind of I would

(29:40):
ask them if they had ever seen anything, and they
always say, no, I ain't never seen anything. And then well,
there was this one time and I saw this strange
light in the sky hovering over the trees for many hours. Like,
what are you talking about? I saw? I sent I
heard someone talk about the National UFO Reporting Center on
like a documentary or something one time, and I went
and looked it up and I found my hometown and

(30:02):
I saw a video that somebody had posted of like
a mothership looking UFO with little UFOs peeling off of it.
And I asked my dad about that. This was my
dad dad, a couple of years ago, but I asked
him about it. I said, have you ever seen anything
like that? And he goes, oh, yeah, bo, I see
late that's how we talk in South Carolina. Yeah, but
I see stuff like that in the sky all the time.
Because my dad would just sit there and drink a

(30:23):
beard on the back of his tailgate of his truck,
you know, just kind of leaning over it. And he
would stay up all night just looking at stars and stuff.
And he always heard ghosts and he always heard heard
all these crazy things. But yeah, it turned out that
it was right over my mom and dad's house that
video that was filmed, and so that kind of piqued
my interest in it. Yeah, and then I was like, Okay,
let me ask other people if they'd seen anything crazy,

(30:46):
and it's certainly everybody has. My grandma had had an encounter.
She used to she used to communicate with what she
would call Bigfoot. She would hoot and holler at this
thing in the woods and it would holler back at her.
And in that same area where the chicken coop is is,
my niece has seen orbs, my mom has seen orbs.
My dad has had an encounter because he had a
deer stand back in that same area, and things used

(31:08):
to knock all over it, all over his tree stand,
and there would be nobody out there whenever he would look.
So there was a lot of you know, my mom
had a UFO encounter out there just last year. I
think you're twenty twenty four something like that, and she's
seen orbs. This is where she saw the cloaked entity
as well. But again I've never seen any of that,
but I totally believe them because they are of the

(31:29):
mindset of like, this isn't real. You know, I don't
know what this is, but it's not UFOs, it's not paranormal,
it's not Bigfoot. It's got to be some kind of
a tower in the sky.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Isn't that interesting? The human defense mechanism is often to
deny that it could be real. So we can't forgret
As long as we have that mindset, we can't really
progress too much further.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Which and again that's why I take it to that
spiritual talk, that metaphysical talk, because you know, we live
in this like little tiny sliver of visible light. It's
like zero point zero zero three five percent of visible light.
That means that like ninety nine point ninety six five
percent of the electromagnetic spectrum around us is paranormal. But
really we're the paranormal was if we're in this little

(32:14):
tiny sliver, yeah where they eye ball out, We're in
this little tiny sliver of light. So I think that
we were put here for a reason, like to learn something,
maybe to grow as as human beings, maybe to expand
our consciousness, whatever you want to call it. But I do.
I do believe that.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Philosophers forever have said that Earth is a school schoolhouse.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's certainly how I see it too. That's certainly how I.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
See it gone on for centuries. That's a belief system,
and I believe that I share that.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well, I'm going to get back to some of the
stuff that Cashers if you don't mind, because I'm interested
in the idea that there's waterfalls nearby, there's you know,
national forests like I mentioned. Why do you call Cashers
the new UFO hotspotter?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Is that kind of an old term? Now, I guess
I didn't come up with that. The person who helped
us set up the website came up.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
With that one.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But at the time we really the reason for the
name is because at the time we started the website,
which was in two thousand and eight, there was a
lot of UFO activity around Cashers, and we had somebody
living there. A name was Glennis Heenan, and she lived
right there and was very very good about being out
there with her camera and catching this stuff and That's

(33:36):
how we learned that there was so much activity up there.
And if I were to give this website a different name,
or I would give it a different name today because
we'd branched off into so many things beyond UFOs over cashers,
But it's been so long, I don't dare change the name.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
But what made you kind of focus in on that region?
There was a Is it just because there's so much
high strangers in that reason? Not just UFOs, but with
I saw you. You've written a book about like the
Cherokee little people, You've written books about Bigfoot, You've written
books about underground military basis. Is all of that collectively
what drove you to sort of focus in on that region?

(34:19):
Like just high strangeness in that area?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
No, absolutely not. I came here to my original intention
was to teach at the Cherokee School. That's why I
moved here, And at the very very last minute, a
qualified Cherokee person got the job, and that's just the
way they set it up. The Cherokee should have the
first right. But I ended up working at a managing

(34:45):
a health food store. And I'd always had jobs that
were very, very demanding where I when I went home,
I couldn't turn off the brain. There was too much
to do. And this job at the health food store
was proving to be beneficial for two reasons. One, it
gave my mind freedom to do some of the things
I was really interested in. And two, surprisingly, I met

(35:08):
incredible people through that health food store. And one of
the advantages of a health food stores you can have
natural conversations that you probably wouldn't be able to easily
generate in other jobs. And so many of the things
I learned about was through contacts at that health food store,

(35:30):
including the Cherokee Little People. When I moved here, I
thought it was just a myth. In fact, I hadn't
heard of himuntil I moved here. And one day a
man came into the store and we became friends. He
was an elderly man, he was a World War two hero.
He had been a pastor in the church for over
forty years in the area. And he said, no, they're real.

(35:51):
And it was because of him that I got into
the Little People thing. He was kind enough to introduce
me to other old timers who had on construction at
Western Carolina University, and they would uncover the little tunnels
and the little skeletons, And I've spent many saturdays around
kitchen tables talking to these men about what they had

(36:14):
found while building buildings at the university, so that while
that one got started, I just walked into it. I
didn't come here and find this stuff. It found me.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
That seems to be how it finds everybody. Actually, it
just comes to you and you're like, what is this?
Why do I have to now? Now all of a sudden,
I got a show and I'm talking about it, and
you're writing books and you're talking about it. It's like
here we are, right. It's interesting how that works. But
do you think that is there a tie into the
underground military bases and the little people and the big

(36:49):
Foot sightings and all that stuff. Do you think that
they're working with these things in some way or just
covering up or hiding something.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
First of all, I think the caves are really important.
The military can expand underground facilities much easier from an
existing cave or cavern than just blow it all out
and start from scratch. The Bigfoot live in caves under
the ground, the little people live in caves under the ground,

(37:19):
So the caves might be one of the things that
are in common with all of these things, just practicality.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
So you think that they just kind of connected onto
these underground caves systems that are already there, and you
kind of use them as transient systems that they can
get from one place to the next.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh yeah, and we have there are underground like mono
rails where you know, they can zip from one place
to another underground. There's no doubt about that. So there's
a lot going on beneath our feet.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, that's what I was telling back where I'm from.
My mom and people that live down the dirt road
that I grew up on. Everybody always hears these loud
explode all the time, and nobody ever knows where they're
come from. It rattles their houses and there's you know,
it's a small town. There's only twelve hundred people in
our town. And then when you live on a dirt road,
it's even smaller because he got little tribes of us

(38:13):
on these dirt roads and stuff. But nobody knows what's
going on. Typically you'd be like, oh, yeah, that fellow
over there is doing something in those fields or whatever,
but nobody has a clue. I mean, it sounds like
these things. It sounds like some kind of activity underground
that's happening, is the best way to describe it. It's
like shakes everything.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
You're getting explosions. They're probably expanding and getting things more open.
But people also hear vibrations, and they hear like machinery
running beneath the ground. One of the great witnesses I
had was a former deputy sheriff out somewhere down in Florida,

(38:51):
I can't remember right now, and he loved to take
his corvette out on the Parkway at night with the
top down, and he's stopped at one place and he
was feeling something. He put his ear against a rock
and he could hear clearly machinery down below. And that's
in the area of one of the facilities I've talked about,

(39:13):
which is beneath the par right now. It's called the Perry.
Let's see Perry anyhow. It's pa R I is the
way people refer to it around here. It stands for
pisca Astronomical Research Institute or and it used to be
a Department of Defense operation. It's it's five stories deep.

(39:39):
It's the first underground facility that I learned about, and
there's you know, that might be another reason why there's
a lot of UO activity in that general area.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Have you ever explored the consciousness aspect of all this
or the ethereal aspect of all these paranormal encounters?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, there's there's absolutely a spirit side just two things.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Have you have you looked into the consciousness side of things,
like maybe there's maybe there's projections from other realms or
other dimensions or anything like that, or do you just
get it? Don't you just kind of focus?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I don't know how to plunge into that, but yeah,
I believe that they have tremendous abilities that we don't have. They,
you know, Star Trek and all of those sci fi
movies that we had years ago, began to open people's
minds to what is actually possible.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
You're very you could tell your journalists because you're very like,
what is the evidence that we have?

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
And that's it? It's me as well. That's what I
did in the Air Force. Actually, I was a photographer
under the public relations umbrella, and essentially they trained you
how to be journalists. So I was attached to colonels
and army generals and stuff like that, and i'd have
to document things in the Middle East, you know, wherever
I would get deployed and things like that, And for me,
it was always like, what is the evidence? Right? Is

(40:59):
focused on the evidence.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And too I bring that to the website if I can't,
you know, That's why I have those coordinates out there.
I really And there's many stories that I have started
to write. Sometimes I've finished them and at the last
minute I will find something where I have to kill
my own story because there's just too much of a
question about it. And that happens more frequently than I
would like. And it's amazing how well nobody should be

(41:23):
amazed today, But there's so much disinformation and people are
enjoying using things like AI to see if they can
pool everybody on YouTube. We have a plethora of absolutely
faulty videos out there now, more than I've ever seen before.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Oh, I certainly believe that. But it seemed like it
would be a perfect time for them to release, you know,
to disclose all this stuff, because there is so much
AI type videos that you could create that would make
it look fake and we make it look real and
all that stuff. So yeah, I think to kind of
muddy the waters and it's just as weird. Why is
the timing now, like, what are they doing? Why are

(42:03):
they doing this now? Is it because something big is coming?
Do you think something big is happening, like a big
event coming or something I do?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I do? I think I think this. Within the next
less than a year, for sure, we're all going to
be seeing things we didn't think we'd be seeing. I
really don't doubt that we already are. We already are.
I can't remember the dates and stuff, but rather recently,
they had one of these ufo I don't want to

(42:32):
call it before Congress, and the night before they had it,
people with all these credentials that you would prefer to have.
We're seeing this UFO over the Capitol, So don't tell
me that wasn't arranged or intended.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
So that's right. I just looked something up about that
this morning. There's also this thing called the Buga sphere.
Have you ever looked into those giants spheres?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
When I first discovered, I did an article on it.
Was it.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Can you tell me a little bit about that, because
I haven't. I haven't looked into it. I just saw
it on Instagram a couple of days ago, and they
studied it at Uga in Georgia, and I don't know
much more about it other than that.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think there's still more to learn about it. But
it's a ball I think about twenty inches in diameter
or about the size of a basketball, maybe something in
that range. And it kept going over the city of
Bugga or Bouga, and then it crashed into the forest
and they found it and retrieved it. And it doesn't

(43:39):
have any scenes on it. It has when they looked
at it internally, it had some things that looked like,
I don't know, a wiring system within it's it's I
don't know. I'll have to send you a copy of
the article.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, I appreciate that. And I saved in our about
the University of Georgia research that I have I still
need to read, so I might end up doing an
episode about it myself.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, and they keep finding out things about it. I
did it early on, so you wouldn't learn as much
as you will be learning as this is evolved.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Certainly, what is the evidence that we were talking about
evidence of well ago, what is the evidence of the
Cherokee little people? Have people found skeletons or anything like that,
little bones, or anything. That a lot of this.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Building was being done at Western Carolina University in Kullowee,
North Carolina. The old timers who I've talked to face
to face said that like whenever they were cutting into
land that was supposed to be virgin land, they would
find these little tunnels. And they were roughly three and
a half to four feet tall, about two and a

(44:50):
half three feet wide. They were cut square with around top.
The round top makes the tunnels stronger. And it was
like everywhere they would cut into this and soil they
would find these. They also found a little skeleton and
one of the professors had this skeleton on his or
skull on his desk like a conversation piece. He said

(45:15):
it was a child skull from one of the Indian mountains.
One day, I think it was a high school English
teacher was there and picked it up and looked at
it and said, this is not a child skull. It
has all its wisdom teeth. So that kind of evidence
these old timers had seen firsthand, and that's how I
got started into all that.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And that's why I think it's super important that we
talked to the older folks as well. OK, people have
stories that they have. They've been holding on to you
for fifty sixty years.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I have never intended to write a book. I've always
had a reason for suddenly doing it. And in that case,
all of these guys I was talking to, for the
most part, were in their eighties, and that was back
quite a few years ago that none of them are
living now. I checked nobody had done anything about the
information that they had. Nobody, So that's when I decided

(46:07):
to preserve the information.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I'm glad you were you able to see the skeleton
at all.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I didn't know I've seen no. I didn't, in fact, sadly,
sadly since just a number of years ago, I was
talking to a person who had been an archaeology student,
an anthropology student at Western, and she told me that
all of those skeletons had been shipped to the Smithsonian,

(46:33):
which is we may never see them again. But I
had heard from students there that not only did they
have the little people evidence, but they had I believe,
they said, two giant skeletons that had six toes on
each foot.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well, there's a lot of evidence that place to The
Smithsonian has a lot of things that they're not telling
us about well, I know, I know, and there's.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Been books written about it. And when they first when
I first became aware of it, I was doing reviews
or articles on the books that first were exposing the
fact that they're hiding in again, they're hiding our history.
I do not know why.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, I don't either. You mentioned that the giants bones.
Do you do you think that those giants could have
been like Bigfoot or like maybe ancestors of Bigfoot or
bigfoots and ancestors of them.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
No, I don't think so. I think they're onto themselves.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I read just the I guess the summary of your
book Bigfoot Beyond the Footprints, and you've talked about how
or it says how some of them have families and
they made friends with humans, and they've helped rescue people
and stuff like that. Do you have any stories to
share on that.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Give me a clue as to what you might What
do you want to hear about the family life or
that or a little.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Oh okay, well, just just a human like activity that they,
you know, like, it seems like they care about people,
if they're rescuing them. It seems like they've made you know,
if they've made friends with humans. They're trying to be friendly.
I just like to kind of explore some of that
a little bit deeper. If you have anything to the insight.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Rations, the Bigfoot are only going to make themselves available
to people who are basically kind, compassionate people. And these
people that have the shows like Chasing Bigfoot or whatever
it's called, they're never going to catch them. They're never
going to see them. The Bigfoot can tell they're coming
from a mile away, and they don't want to have

(48:32):
any interaction with people like that. The people who've had
these positive experiences have been kind people themselves. So we
broadcast who and what we are, and they're very good
at receiving that.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I like to think that I'm a good person. I
think I've broadcast of a good vibration, but I honestly
have never seen things. And maybe that's because I'm skeptical, right,
Maybe they can.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And they also I'm aware of it. I think everybody's
aware of it. That you are still connected to a
very specific kind of Christianity. Now, I want you to know,
my dad was a pastor. Now not he would be liberal,
screaming liberal compared to that, just in the Pentecostals in

(49:20):
the mountains of North Carolina. But I still believe in Christianity,
but I have a much different perspective on it, much different.
And I think that churches have been very have distorted
the original teachings of Jesus, and I think in many
cases it's been used to control people. And you've been

(49:49):
brought clearly have been brought up in a very conservative
form of Christianity. And I'm not asking anybody to shed
their belief in what Jesus has taught us, because I
do believe it's real. But I do not like what
churches have done to people with the way they distorted
the teachings. And tremendous, a tremendous number of books have

(50:09):
been written that we're never in deliberately we're not included
in the Bible. And I will mention one other book
that I've done. It's called Tangible Evidence of Jesus left
behind for us to find, which you might find interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Listen, I share the same sentiments with you. Actually, I
just had a conversation with a preacher here at a
megachurch here in town. I'm I go to church like
for a foundational purpose for my kids, to get a
Christian base. But whenever I go to churches, I am
very I question a lot of things that they say
and do. I like, for example, Gosh, Man, every every

(50:47):
episode seems like I'm bashing churches. I'm not bashing churches,
by the way. I love I go to church like
I just whenever I go there, I hear messages of
give me your money. I hear messages of it's a
it's a very like a psychological thing too, like stand up,
sit down, value your head, do this, do that. It's
a very control and then they get you, they tug
out your heartstrings, and then they ask for money and

(51:08):
all this other stuff. And I just feel like that
that has been perverted in a way. It's like you're
asking the.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Way it's been perverted. And some of the I don't
know what megachurch you're referring to, but some of these
people that have nationally known megachurches, my God, they have
built castles for themselves. If I couldn't do that, I
don't mind being comfortable, but all that money to build
a castle would be going to help somebody else. So

(51:34):
I don't think they have a Christian attitude at all.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I approached the campus pastor, and I asked him about that.
I say, hey, can I ask you something? Why do
you always ask for money at every sermon? And I
hope I wasn't offending the guy because he had a
great sermon. I just I was I'm question it because
when I looked around, I seen older people, younger people,
people who looked like they had money, people who didn't
have money, things like that, and I just could All

(51:59):
I could think was, you don't know what these people
have gone through. They just lost their dad, their mom,
their cousins, their sisters, their daughters, whatever, They're broke, they
can't eat the next day, that kind of stuff, and
we're asking them for money. And I just felt like that.
For some reason, I felt like God was telling me
to go talk to him and ask him why. And
maybe he heard the message of what I was trying

(52:19):
to say, maybe not. I was nervous. I was nervous
talking to him because I don't like to feel like
I'm against the Christianity at all. I love I am.
I wearing a cross around my neck right now. Obviously
I believe in Christ and the message of love and light.
But I have a tough time with asking people for

(52:40):
money whenever they're vulnerable. Because when people go to church,
they're they're very vulnerable. They need they have something, they
have a space in them that need to be filled,
and they go to church seeking that, and I just
feel like it's being, I don't know, used in the
wrong way sometimes, that's all. So I get the sentiment
of looking at things from a different lens in Christianity.

(53:04):
That's kind of how I look at things. I look like.
I have a good friend named Justin Brown from the
Prometheus Lens podcast, and he wrote a book, a great
book called The Epic of Esau, where he talks about
how Esau might have been a big Foot, right, And
it's like, you're not going to get those kind of
conversations at church every Sunday. So but yeah, I am

(53:24):
interested in the in the idea that bigfoot can be
good because, like I mentioned with this Satanga documentary, it's
a very interesting idea to think that there are forces
beyond our perception that may have the better, the best
intentions for human beings in the elevation of human beings

(53:48):
in their consciousness while we're in this reality.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
So I'm getting blasted to tell you this. There comes
a time when you're a kid and your feet keep
growing and the shoes get too tight, your shoes are
too take.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well, I'm not I'm not closed minded. I am a
Christian for sure. I'm not closed minded because for me,
I came back into Christianity. So I've been out there
going back to the same church.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
For example, in part of my growing process, I think
I I can't be exactly sure, but I think I
went to twenty four different denominations Episcopalian, Catholic, Lutheran, all
the different Pentecostals, the Baptist, I checked them, the Methodists,
that you name them. Twenty four is a pretty big
list because I really wanted to know. I wanted You can't.

(54:36):
You can't stay in that one church and keep learning
what there is to learn. You can't. You can visit,
but you can't have that as your only source of
spiritual inspiration. You just can't do that.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I don't I don't disagree with that. But for me,
like I grew up in a small town, my wife
was military, or she grew up in a military family,
so they traveled, you know, their different states and all
this stuff all the time. So there wasn't a base.
And for if I take my kids back to that church,
they do get a base of yeah, yeah, right, So
they're getting they're getting a foundation of something that I

(55:12):
don't think you can get because I too have. When
I was in the military, I would go to different
churches and I just never found the home, right. I'd
never experienced a place that I was like, this is
where my roots are. And I do think that as people,
we need to be close to where our roots are
in order to expand our consciousness in a way. So
there are aspects of going to back to a small

(55:34):
town church that still matter in a big way to me.
And I actually hope there's a revival in small town churches.
And I think your dad would probably agree of you know,
looking at all these megachurches, he's probably like, man, I
wish we could get back to the back to the
small town churches again, because I think that's super important.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Oh. He was a very he was a very active man.
He marched with Martin Luther King.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Well, and then that's the place to be. I mean
those kinds you know it's to be to go to
church and just for thirty minutes to an hour every
Sunday and then go throughout your whole week and not
be spreading the message of love and Christ and light.
If you're not doing anything the rest of the week,
then what is the purpose of going to church and learning?

(56:18):
You know? Like like for me, I am out there
trying to give money where I can. It's actually to
my detriment. I'll give my last dollar to anybody I see.
But I'm also but I'm trying to be a good
person the rest of the week. And I don't know
that people are always trying to do that. I think
sometimes they just won't. Sometimes people are selfish and they

(56:38):
just want to get their own message, their own little
dose of spirituality, and it makes them feel better for
the rest of the week. But if you're not out
there spreading the message, if you're not being the great
commission by Christ was to go out and be a disciple.
If you're not being a disciple, then I think you're
missing your calling as a Christian, because I think that's
what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
When I was a kid, my dad shot me once
because he said, do you know what uh uh they
write it's in the Bible about the Virgin Mary. He said,
do you know what the actual translation of Virgin is
in the you know, in that time period, in that language.
And he said, it simply needs a young woman, that's
all it means. And he believe it or not, he

(57:19):
was involved with doing the translation for let's see what
the revised standard version of the Bible. And he could
read in Greek and Latin, and so he would go
back to the original writings. They don't match the translations
that we are often fed. So and the problem is

(57:42):
I had a father who was very, very educated and
really had studied, and so I quit going to churches
because there was such ignorance. I mean, I knew better,
and instead of instead of having instead of going to
church and getting in a positive, reflective state of mind,
which is really what you should do if you go

(58:03):
to church, I would sit there and get angry that
this person was telling such fabrications of what really really
was true. So I don't attend to church anymore. But
I am very very spiritual.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, I think that's important as long as you have
Christ in your life. I think it doesn't Church can
be between We're having church right now. Anytime you have
conversation between two people, that's where Christ will be as well.
So yeah, I don't. Again, I don't knock people for
what they do, and that's their that's their business with
with God. My business is to try to spread a

(58:37):
positive message for everybody and hopefully change people's lives in
some way. And I've mentioned before how I coach Little
League Baseball. I try to do things that keep me,
keep me engaged with people. I do the show, you know,
to my detriment really, because I spent so many hours
editing and you know, scheduling things and researching and things

(58:57):
like that. Reading that you know, there's not a big
return on investment. The return on investment for me is
reaching people and trying to help let people know that
maybe they're not alone in the way they think. You know,
a lot of people feel that same way about church,
like you and I do. They're kind of they're kind
of disenfranchised from it.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Whether they're in or out of the churches. Believe that
you should meditate. You know who some of the best
meditators are fishermen. Their mind just gets totally relaxed. They're
out there in nature and in beauty, and I think
they often get more out of fishing than they would
be city in church.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I agree, And a lot of times fishermen too have
interactions with these things that they have interactions with orbs
and UFOs and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So ever knows what's going to happen, right.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, maybe if you're, like you said, lined up vibrationally
with these things, you'll start seeing these things more often. Yeah,
because I mean they seem out there on the ocean
all the time. But yeah, it is. It is sort
of a meditative place. And actually hunters as well. And
you know when you you're going in the woods and
you're sitting there just before dusk or dawn and you're
just you're there with nature and your quiet, you know, Yeah,

(01:00:08):
you don't think so well, that's what that's When my
dad was hunting, he had a gun and he didn't
see bigfoot, but he thinks he interacted with it because
he has cameras over garage in his house, and he
thought it was me or my brothers that were coming
out there playing a trick on him. I said, I said, listen, man,
we ain't stupid enough to come knock on a tree
stamp while you're in it, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
So so he tried to debunk it in every way
he could as well, but that's what typically people do.
Like I said, when my mom saw that UFO in
the backyard, she goes. She called me, I got it
on camera. I literally have it on camera or our
conversation with the UFO in the sky, and she said, oh,
it's a light tower. I said, Mom, E've been living
there for sixty three years in that same area. When

(01:00:49):
did they put a light tower or a radio tower
or anything up there right behind your house? This never happened.
And she noticed that there's a lot more activity once
they tore the trees down behind her. So somebody came
in and took all the timber and from the land
that was owned behind her land right, and it looks
like a bomb went off back there. And then that's
when more activities started out. They had no place to go, right,

(01:01:12):
That's exactly what I thought too. They're kind of they
kind of lost their hiding places or whatever. And again
that's when she saw these orbs. It was like a
hundred orbs flying around her backyard. And she kept saying
light bugs and I was like, you're not going to
see light bugs, lightning bugs like that, you know, one
hundred lightning bugs flying around because she said they were
like ball sized almost, and they were big and she'd

(01:01:33):
never seen anything like that before. But she was also
in a mindset because my dad had just died, and
I think she was she still is. She's very sad.
She may be depressed with some of this stuff. You know,
dealing with the loss of someone is a tough thing.
And I think her vibration might have been low, and
that's why she might have been able to see some
of these things, if that makes any sense, Like her
vibrations were just so and just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I won't try to convince you of this because I've
just heard it so many ways that, uh, when the
soul has left the body, it takes on a spherical
of energy to them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yes, that actually heard blood Chris Bloodshoe talk about that
they took pictures of some of the orbs and they
have faces in them. He even saw a picture of
dog or like a face of dogs and other animals
and stuff in these orbs. That's a very interesting thought. Yeah,
have you ever heard of the organ vortex? In organ
it's like a place, it's like a it's a house
that's like on a hill. They call it the organ vortex.

(01:02:29):
Because when people walk in there, it's like different, it's
like different heights, It's it's kind of like this mystical
place you walk into and everything's off, like it's leaning,
but you're walking straight. You can stand on one side
and you're really tall, and stand on one side and
you're really short.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
You don't know if that's something that somebody's engineered or not.
You know that's true, give that illusion. Because there's a
place in North Carolina. I can't remember where it is.
Maybe I don't know. You know where it is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
No, yeah, I think I do. I've talked about it
on the show before. I can't remember or the name,
but it's there is a place that's similar to that
in North Carolina. But they've kind of commercialized it. They've
made it into like almost like a theme park where
you go in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
There and you do feel weird when you're in it,
you really do. But that's just been constructed and it
just you know, does something to your eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Well, I said that because there was a person who
would take you know, those digital those point shoot digital
cameras that we had in the early two thousands, they
would they they could only use those cameras specifically to
photograph the orbs. But they would take they would use
their flash and they would go to the organ vortex
and take pictures all over the place, and those pictures
would show orbs, and those orbs always have faces in

(01:03:41):
them and stuff. So that's it's a very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Idea post is something like that. I'm gonna have to see.
Have you got some of those photos?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
No, ma'am, But I when I see this stuff, it's
sometimes it's on like documentary. Sometimes it's maybe like a
clip online or something. I saw that many years ago
on a documentary. But it's about the organ vortex, and
I bet if you were to search it the Oregon
Vortex digital camera photos, you'd probably turn up quite a
bit of those, yes, ma'am. Yeah, So it's very it's
very interesting. But all these weird places all over the places.

(01:04:09):
It's always around mountains, always around water, flowing water, you know,
a lot of heavy electromagnetic energy when it comes to
like fault lines. That's where the I know you've been
on the Confessionals with Tony Merkel. Tony's up there in
the Oak Ridge area in Tennessee. There's another sort of
like Acern location where they do a lot of I
believe that's where they did the That was where the

(01:04:30):
headquarters for the Manhattan Project was during the was it
forties or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
It was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, yeah, So listen. I know I've talked your head off.
I told you i'd keep it to about an hour.
This has been a a I've enjoyed talking to you. Yeah, certainly,
I've enjoyed talking to you as well. It's been an
easy conversation. Typically, I'm I'm like struggling to find questions
and pull things out of people, but this has been
a very easy conversation to have.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Wait, let me do let me end up with this.
I think it's so important for us to get beyond
our normal way of thinking. And I will take you
back to like when I was exploring Mars. Whenever I
would explore it with using Google Earth, I would go
from right to left or left to right this way.
One day I thought, let's do it the other way,

(01:05:19):
so I started exploring from pole to pole. That's when
I discovered twenty seven square cut entrances into the planet,
spread over sixteen miles all in the line. Now, if
I had only stuck with that other way of looking
at things I would have never explore found more than
one at a time. So the twenty seven in a

(01:05:41):
row is pretty interesting. And those you can measure things
using Google Earth, and they ranged. These are ground figures.
They ranged from like four hundred feet in diameter to
one thousand feet in diameter. They were all cut the
same way, except you could see that the border around
the entrance ways were all varied a little bit. And

(01:06:02):
I just wanted to conclude with that one because we've
got to stop being limited. We have to step out
and look at things differently. And I would never have
made that discovery if I hadn't gotten out of my mindset.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
That happened to me whenever I was after I got
out of basic training and I was in what it's
called tech school in the Air Force, and they're teaching
you how to do your job. I had never been
a photographer before, but they made you go through like
graphic design school and art school and some other things.
And I had an art class one time and in
structor said, draw a Nike check and those are very

(01:06:38):
hard to draw, for nobody's ever drawing a Nike check.
And so I started off by like, how you normally
would the lower scoop first, and I couldn't get it right.
And he came over and he turned my paper around
and he said, all right now, because I'd already drew.
I drew the bottom scoop first and it looked nice,
but I couldn't finish it at the top. And he

(01:06:58):
turned my paper around and now finish it. And I
did that and it was perfect. And it gave me
a different perspective on how to look at things and
how to approach things. You don't always have to look
at things through one lens. You can kind of take
take a step outside of yourself and look at it
from a different angle.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
And I think that is that's really important.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
That's a great lesson to leave us with for sure,
What what kind of things are you working on now?
Do you have any books planned or any any upcoming events?
Are you going to be speaking at or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Too fast? I'm not. I have no intention of doing
another book. I do the website and I do a
Facebook page which is just under my name. And again
I got that got my first one got shut down.
I had about five thousand friends on my first one,
and it's Mary A. Joyce I cannot access that anymore,

(01:07:49):
so I had to start a new one. And if
you want to find my Facebook page, get rid of
the middle initial. Just do Mary Joyce and you'll find
find what I have on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
All right. And I'm going to probably mess these up,
but you can help me out if he's so. She's
got many different books. There's the Tierkey Little People Were
Real book. There's the Underground Military Bases Hidden in North
Carolina Mountains book. There is the Big Foot Beyond the
Footprints book, The Spy in This in the Sky, which
I'm going to buy a copy of. I promise you,
I'm gonna send you a money order, a check or

(01:08:19):
something in the mail, and I'm gonna get my copy
for sixteen bucks, because that'd be a lot better than
two hundred or two fifty or whatever they said trying
to sell them for online these days. But by the way,
and the Jesus in the Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Book, yes, they're all avail. They're all available on Amazon,
except it's listed there, but you won't get the book
from there. And let I think the latest I saw
somebody's offering it for over three hundred dollars, and I'm
going that's ridiculous. But I'm not gonna right now. I'm
not gonna do anything with Amazon with that book. It's

(01:08:53):
just been a headache.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Well, I will certainly support you in whatever way I can,
because I think it's important to have new media. This,
this is what I call new media, Like the old
media is done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I'm not ya books anymore. It's happening fast, and yes,
it is. Keep up with it when you have a
podcast like you have, or you know, have things like
I have, but books they're way behind by the time
they get published.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah, but I also fear that we're going to lose
all this, like but you know this, this system shuts
down and we lose all access to these conversations. So
I feel like some of these things, these transcripts need
to be printed up and put into book form or something,
you know, with these podcasts, because one day all the
older folks, like we mentioned earlier, the seventy eighty year
old people, they won't have we won't have access to

(01:09:42):
them to get confirmation of these these stories like you
mentioned with the Cherokee little people and stuff like that,
and then we'll just be we'll be in a dark
age of information.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
I don't think that's going to happen. I really, even
though it's a mess right now in this country, I
really think it's going to get better. And maybe we
had to blow all this bad stuff out. It's like cool,
you have to get all the weeds out of the
field before you can plant new seats. And I really
do feel very optimistic in the long run, short run,

(01:10:13):
I think from now to the end of the year,
we're gonna have more stuff we have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I think so too. I agree, Mary, You've been an
awesome conversation. I'd love to have you back on again
sometime soon. Maybe we could talk about the buga sphere
next time you come on in depth, so I'll learn
a little bit more about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
And uh, like I said, why by the time you've
done your research, you take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yes, man, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
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I'm standing at the gross I don't know wh our
news and control trying not to set up on me
in the right direction. God send me your blessing. I'm

(01:11:21):
so tie up stress and it's music's turns. Upsession, upsession.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
I got a long way to go to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
He's my family, my clothes soaking with big some sweat,
and the ring going happen, say having, say.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Course, and I can change all my mistakes. But y'all
be half down. They'll fall out and means the things
that I found. Hello, Sanatan from the outer hall open.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Now I can stop my own fall. Gotta stand town
overcome a scene up and down at ther roll sink
the church here, so de.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
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not to see my soul. I'm standing at the gross.
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Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
Not just set up now witting back, thinking about the
men a rest Now, I don't know who's a friend
of me. These people act like they again to me, Well,
that's still a mister rees a miss ever.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
He wants me to lose my my religion.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
But I won't stop what out of buy I won't
give and won't give and know what I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Sit down right here, preak, and that's the Lord above
the help and change my way.

Speaker 6 (01:12:43):
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you move a to them past the byrection to the break,
you can love me.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Hey, I'm in a don't break.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
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your health be?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
Can you health be? Im Standing at.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
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Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
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where to go. Our nimes A control trying not just
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Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
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to see my soul.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I'm standing at the cross I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
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Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
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