Targeted Individuals: Gangstalking, Spiritual Attacks, Heterodyne, Remote Neural Monitoring, Mystery Babylon w/ Kevin Orr & Biblical Hitmen

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Speaker 1 (01:06):
All right, Welcome to the show. Everyone. You're listening to
the Awakened podcast. I'm your host Brad Leo, and joining
me on the show today is the founder of the
Positive Ti subreddit and the host of the Paar Awareness
YouTube show, Kevin Or. Also joining me on the show
is researcher and host of the Biblical Hitman podcast, Steven Dematus. Now,
Kevin joined me to explain what targeted individuals and gangs
talking are and how he uses his personal experiences as

(01:29):
a targeted individual to help himself and others grow spiritually.
Through his Positive TI subreddit, Stephen warned about the potential
dangers of a unified global consciousness or religion, which he
associates with the concept of Mystery Babylon from biblical prophecy. Now,
both of these men brought forth some very interesting testimonies
and I think you guys are going to really enjoy.
So with that said, let's go ahead and get to

(01:50):
the conversation with Kevin and Stephen right now. Okay, I'm
here with Kevin or from the Positive Ti subreddit and
Stephen Dematis from the Biblical hit Man Podcast. Guys, thank
y'all so much for joining me today.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
How are y'all awesome? Thank you? Thank you for having
me on.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's always a pleasure, but I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Man, Kevin, I guess we'll start with you. Man, you
are the expert on targeted individuals and what some would
call gang talking. So can you give us a little
bit of background about yourself and tell us a little
bit more about what a targeted individual is?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Sure, and I think expert is you know, it's a
little bit exaggerated because the community itself is so kind of,
you know, hitted against one another. As far as an
explanation as to what it is that we're all experiencing,
and the you know, the explanations are so varied, and

(02:51):
it goes everywhere from a demonic presence to a government
you know, authoritarian influence using high tech weaponry against people,
and you know or is this I mean, really, it
all depends on a person's cultural upbringing, background education, and

(03:13):
the information that they currently have within their long term memory,
and that's going to create their explanation. So the Christian
is that, you know, it's going to go the angels
and demon's route. The person that was raised Muslim is
going to say jin that. You know, some people that
are more spiritual will say archons, and those that are
a little bit more atheistic or agnostic, they're going to

(03:35):
go the technological rout. And the truth of the matter
is is that we see this phenomenon occurring throughout all
of history. Okay, this is not some new thing that
is happening now. There may be some new players on
the field, but the occurrence itself, we have dated it back.
I found instances of this in Buddhist scripture, you know,

(04:00):
for BC, and then you know, we have dated back.
It's a very sequential process where a person is slowly
introduced to phenomenon and it kind of unfolds in a
fear exposure therapy sort of fashion. I don't know if
you're familiar with what exposure therapy is. It's a It's

(04:22):
a branch of cognitive behavior therapy where a person is
introduced to their fears, usually in a safe manner, but
in this a person is introduced to their their unconscious fears,
you know, while in awake realities. So if you can
kind of picture your dreams, you know, and all the uh,
you know, the defragging that kind of goes on in

(04:44):
your dream state, and that's all happening on a lower frequency, right,
usually theater or delta. Now imagine that being brought up
to and meeting you while you're awake, right, and they
kind of overlap. Right, There's this confluence of realities that
occurs where the things that you normally experience in your

(05:05):
unconscious sleep reality start to intertwine with your awake reality. Okay,
and the noises that you're hearing outside of yourself begin
to intertwine with that, and it seems as if it's
occurring outside of you. So we can break this off
into two separate arenas, which is gang stalking and the
targeted individual experience. Okay, And I would say that gang

(05:29):
stalking is almost like the HIV to AIDS.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
We see this as a precursor happening for people before
it actually becomes a full blown targeted individual experience. Now,
a lot of times with gang stalking, it can happen
with voices, people hearing voices or without the voices. And
it is my belief that even though a person doesn't
hear the voices, the voices are still subtly influencing their perception, okay,

(05:57):
and their belief system and you know, and their perspective
on what is actually happening. And the voices are very
manipular and they will play off of your assumption. So
let's say, whatever it is that you assume is happening,
the voices will immediately confirm it. It is that it
is your neighbors. Your neighbors are out to get you, Okay.
So one of the first stages that happens is is

(06:19):
that a person becomes aware of observation, right, they become
aware that there is some sort of an observer outside
of themselves watching them. Okay. Now, if you're raised religious
and you have a belief in God, this isn't anything new,
but we kind of you know, when I was raised
Christian Baptist and educated Baptist. I went to Liberty University,

(06:40):
so those roots with me and the education behind it
run very deeply. Okay. I actually worked for Liberty University
and it was there when doctor Folwell passed away. I
went through a program when I was twenty three called
teen Challenge, which is like a Pentecostal Assemblies of God
based program.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's crazy because a buddy of mine actually, yeah, through
the whole process, right, and they pound it in your head.
Sorry buddy, Yeah no, yeah, no worries.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Kevins since we jumped in on you, would you mind
just kind of is gag. So, gang stalking is the
belief that you're being followed or watched or harassed or
something like that by it.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
It is, but it goes for network belief, you know.
It Actually it starts off with the thought that you know,
somebody is watching you, right, and then that belief that
somebody is watching you begins to actually manifest in your
conscious you know, awake, aware, observable reality. Okay. So, and

(07:36):
and it's important to make a clear distinction between gang
stalking and just harassment. Okay. Some people are, you know,
maybe involved in certain activities that they shouldn't be in,
or they just have crappy neighbors, or there's like some
sort of a family dispute going on and the police
are getting involved, and you're just kind of going through
a tumultuous time in your life, and they somehow find

(08:00):
themselves in a gang stalking community because they feel targeted,
you know, they feel persecuted for you know, some unknown reason,
and a lot of times somebody really just kind of
needs to take a step back and examine themselves and
see how they could be the culprit in this activity
that's going on in their life and you know, maybe
handle your business. That's not the sort of gang stalking

(08:22):
that I experience, and that with people in my community
have experienced. That's just harassment and you need to take
care of that with your family and police or whatever
and clean up your act. The sort of gang stalking
that we're talking about has a very phenomenal aspect to it,
where synchronicities start lining up. Okay, and a person so,

(08:44):
and I'll just use myself for an example. I began
hearing voices and the voices were you know, they would
critique and they would play into what I thought. So,
you know, I don't know, if you've ever stayed in
like a hotel room or something like that, you can
kind of hear your person through the thin wall that
probably has no insulation in it, but you don't really
actually hear what they're saying. It's like, well, all of

(09:08):
a sudden, that's loud and clear, and it's entirely oriented
towards you and what you think they could be saying.
And that's a lot of time that's off your own
negative self image if you think very poorly about yourself. Well,
now all of a sudden, that becomes you're hearing that audibly,
and you think that it's the person in the room
next to you. And then the mind gets very conspiratorial.

(09:29):
You know, how could I possibly think? You know, like,
who are these people next to me that know me?
And they know all these personal details about me?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
So, and this could you know? To the person that's
unfamiliar with this, this will just register as paranoia, right,
You'll just think that this is a person subconscious kind
of playing out, or it'll register as kind of schetzophrenia,
you know, something like that. But then it gets crazier. Okay,

(09:57):
synchronicity start happening. A person, We'll all of us start
sudden start seeing the same vehicle no matter where they
go okay. Like I went from Philadelphia to Las Vegas,
Las Vegas back to Philadelphia, and then from Philadelphia to
San Francisco driving okay, and then from San Francisco all
the way back home, and the same three voices always

(10:19):
two males and a female were following me the entire way,
the same sort of white trucks. I would see constantly, repetitively,
over and over and over again. I'd find myself in
the same scenarios with the same sort of people over
and over and over again. So eventually what happens is
that becomes a targeted individual experience. And if the best

(10:42):
way that I can describe this is you're hearing the
voices and they're speaking about you, right, You're hearing you know,
they're speaking to you, and they're saying, you know, Brad,
you're a real piece of crap. You know, I can't
believe you did that thing that you did in high school.
You know, blah blah blah, and you're, you know, you're
looking for it. And then let's say that you go

(11:02):
to grab a cup of tea and then you'll hear
the voice actually say, oh, he always drinks that tea.
Why does he drink that tea so much. I can't
believe that tea's disgusting. Oh my god. Right, and all
of a sudden, now you start thinking there's cameras, like.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Who the heck? You know? Who?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
How does somebody know that I'm drinking this tea? Okay?
So I started ripping my car apart, right. Look, I'm
tearing the knobs off my volume, you know, the volume
on my stereo. I ripped the rear view mirror off
my car because it's commenting on every little thing that
I'm doing, everywhere that I go, you know. And then
they start messing with you. There's cameras in your shoes,

(11:41):
so now I'm taking my shoe, right. I mean, they
really well, you know it, It really plays into it, okay.
And then I remember very distinctively one day, and I
would say that this is the transition, okay, and this
is what has to happen for a lot of people
for them to stop acting a fool. Okay. I was
driving and I had a thought and the thought was

(12:02):
responded to, Okay, I had the thought in my head,
what the hell is this? And then the voice itself
responded to the thought. It said, you have no clue
what this is. Why don't you just and then all
of a sudden it became telepathic. Okay. It was no
longer me driving myself and seeing looking for cameras and wondering,
how is this happening? I actually I remember various this distinctively,

(12:26):
pulling the car over and going whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And then at that point it was all in my head. Okay.
It became from that point some sort of a conscious
manifestation to one hundred percent psychological. And then that's when,
you know, that's when it really that's when the you know,
it really hit the fan. That is, from that point on,

(12:49):
that was when the exposure therapy started. More voices were introduced,
and then it began taking on a very paranormal effect
apparitions because now it's it's conscious. It's all entirely conscious based. Okay,
so now stuff was getting slammed in my apartment. Apparitions

(13:09):
would come up out of like a you know, I
guess a lower frequency. You know, I remember one night,
this blue apparition came up out of nowhere and it
literally reached out and touched my forehead and ran its
finger down my forehead and then onto my lips and
and you can feel it. It's a vibratory touch. Is
It's as if you take like an electron, an electric

(13:31):
toothbrush or the corner of your cellphone. Why it's vibrating
and just run it over whatever part of your body.
You know, that's exactly what it feels like. So it
is some sort of energy being. You know, it's entirely
energy based. And then you know in the mind you again,
raised Christian, I had no idea about any sort of

(13:51):
Eastern philosophies. Okay, so chakra openings for me were unheard of.
I didn't know what any of this stuff was. Okay,
next thing I know, I'm getting the crown chakra opening,
the forehead chakra opening, the throat chakra, the hard chakra,
right blockage is within me, that the whatever energy this
is not able to pass through. And me having a

(14:14):
demonic mindset that I had this very dualistic battle of
good versus evil, Jesus versus Satan God. You know, my
entire life growing up, I'm fighting it. I'm fighting it
tooth and nail. I'm praying to Jesus and these things
are you know, whatever the voices are, They're like, there's
no Jesus here. Jesus will not save you there, you know.
And then I start thinking to myself, like, have I
grieved the Holy Spirit that poorly? That I have no

(14:38):
Jesus in me whatsoever? You know, that was something I
had to face within myself, like, you know, am I
that shitty of a human being that you know, Jesus
has forsaken me? Because I, you know, baptized in the
Holy Spirit, Like I went through that whole piece that
transcends all understanding while I was in Teen Challenge. Yeah,

(15:00):
so I remember that specifically that moment, being very that
that was probably the worst of it. Okay, having that
upbringing that I had, having been baptized in the Holy
Spirit while I was in Team Challenge and knowing that
there is something there, whatever that was. I had a
past or put oil on his hands and lay his

(15:22):
hands on me, and I actually remember that clearing out
and having that piece that transcends all understanding in that moment,
and my entire peripheral vision had like this sort of
fuzzy crystalline pattern to it, you know. And I've experienced
people speaking in tongues. I've experienced all these extreme parts
of Christianity, So for me, that was very real, okay.

(15:44):
And then to go through something like this and now
to experience things like chakra openings, right, and so you know,
so there was this whole sort of other spiritual realm
going on that I had only viewed one way, okay,
and what was currently happening was not coinciding with my upbringing, right,

(16:09):
which leaves the mind scrambling, How the hell do I
explain this? How can I explain this biblically? How can
I explain this, you know, with with the mindset that
I have now, Okay. So and then you start, you know,
then I started reaching out to other people within social
media and finding that I was not alone, okay, and
that was a huge burden off, like, oh God, like
thank God, there are other people that I've actually also

(16:29):
experienced this for the same exact thing, okay. So uh,
because of my spiritual background, because of what was happening
to me, I immediately was not really down with the
technological aspect of this. All right. Now, a lot of
it makes sense. We are in a very technological age, okay,

(16:51):
and there are certain patents that are out there, and
there are videos that people go on and they see
that our government had potentially does have things that allow
them to do what they refer to as RNM remote
neural monitoring, where they have access to certain frequencies that
our bodies interact with all the time we're born into

(17:14):
the Earth, being, you know, encompassed in frequencies from the
North and South Pole. We are a part of that frequency.
And there is the belief that perhaps our government has
access to this frequency and is using it to manipulate
people's bodies. Okay, And I can't say that they don't.
I really, I really can't. That is not my personal belief.
And I've taken more of a psycho spiritual approach with

(17:36):
this whole thing, and that has allowed me to push through.
But I don't know for a fact that you know,
our entire planet now is actually covered in satellites. I
don't know if you've seen recent video of what Elon
Musk has done with this starlink you know, and this
you know, But our planet is completely covered in satellites

(17:57):
and technology, you know, and that began decades ago. So
who's to say that there isn't some sort of interference
happening with people's makeup and what is constantly around us
at all times. I mean even right now, I am
surrounded by Wi Fi signals, cell phone signals, you know,
radio signals. I mean, just we're just surrounded by it

(18:18):
at all times. There's just text messages flying around this
all time, and people's conversations and all kinds of crazy
stuff and all are just you know, encapsulated in it.
So is there some sort of interference happening with people's minds?
Because our minds are also frequency based. Our minds go
from gamma, beta, alpha, data delta all throughout the course
of the day while we're sleeping and while we're awake.

(18:39):
And who's to say that there is not some sort
of interaction with all of this, you know, and that
that's where a lot of people's minds are going these days,
Is that this is all some sort of technological thing. However,
I have had more of a anomalous experience. You know,
a lot of people don't get that. A lot of

(18:59):
people are still stuck and the fear that they're being
targeted by the government, and they're in a state of
constant anger and hatred and animosity and rage, and that's
sort of fueling their experience. I've been able to sort
of push through because it opened up for me with
more anomalist activity and paranormal activity that I've been able
to really hold on to the metaphysical aspect of this

(19:19):
and not remain so focused on the physical aspect of this,
And that for me has been a huge blessing. And
that's what my community is oriented towards, is pushing people
past the boundary of hatred and anger and pushing into
something more spiritually in tune and opening, regardless of what
that is. You know, I don't promote any one singular
belief in that community, you know. In fact, one of

(19:42):
the main steps that I've come up with is that
you must choose a philosophical or spiritual understanding that truly
resonates with you, because that's what this thing does. It
doesn't matter what you believe, it's going to test it,
all right. And what I have come to find in
my own experience is is that satan is opposition. I

(20:03):
guess it is the best way to put it, all right. So,
and what do I mean by that? It means it
doesn't matter in my And what I have found is
that it doesn't matter if you're a Christian, if you're
a Buddhist, if you're a Muslim, if you're Jehovah's witness,
if you're a scientologist. It doesn't matter what you claim
to be your spiritual belief. It will oppose it, right,

(20:28):
but it will oppose it so that you gain a
stronger understanding and confirmation in it, if that makes sense,
all right. So we see a lot of battle, especially now,
like with the way things are going in our country
where it's like, you know, this metamorphosis of Jesus Christ,
you being an abject servant to the humble and the
poor now becoming a symbol for gun rights and you know,

(20:52):
American liberty, right. So it's like this weird transformation that
we're kind of seeing right now where you know, with
like Republican and Christian Pianity and they're sort of opposing
anything else. Like I live in a very culturally diverse
town called Phoenixville and Pennsylvania, and we have a mosque
in our town and they literally had a protest in

(21:14):
front of the mosque with Christians holding up signs saying
America is christ country, right, wanting to put it, pushing
it out, and what people are not understanding, is that
it's not the Muslim you know, it's opposition in general.
It's overall fear, human fear, and that it doesn't matter
what you are. This Satan character, this demon character is

(21:37):
opposition itself. Okay, and we don't see that. We just
see Oh no, it's Satan. And Jesus is that which
overcome Satan. So surely Jesus must be truth. No, it
doesn't matter what you are, you will receive opposition regardless.
So there's this weird misorientation of perspective to wards. What

(22:00):
is you know is what is me mental harness and
where the fear is coming from. So in my community,
I don't promote anyone singular. It's you know, it has
to be something that truly resonates with you. And you
have to understand that the phenomenon that we face will
be an opposition of that, but that opposition is to
strengthen that belief and that we need to see more
unity than any belief coming together. Okay, The opposition is

(22:23):
not amongst us. You're not my opponent. I don't care
what your belief is. I don't care how deeply religious
you are. A spiritual you are you are not my opponent,
you see what I'm saying. So, yeah, do you guys
have any questions? I feel like I'm just kind of
going on and on and on here.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, I mean, I do look at things from a
Christian lens, and I do believe Christ is king. So
when you say the name of Christ, it has a
lot of power against darkness. So I think that you
can sort of imbue your personal beliefs into Like I
have a cross around my neck right now, and when
that and that's made of silver, which is said to
sort of disperse or keep away negative ethereal energy, right,

(23:05):
so like when someone makes this cross, there is disintention
that this cross is going to shield.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
So I believe that when you.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Believe in Christ, you can defend that or fight these
things off because there's a lot of evidence, yeah, in
this paranormal world that when you say the name of Christ,
these things go away. But yeah, I kind of look
at it similar in a similar way to you, actually,
because I believe that. And now Steven and I went
to a show called Brohemian Grove down in Florida where

(23:36):
we were on a panel discussing what we believe to
be aliens, Right we had questions, what do you think
aliens are? So my thought on it was that we
are madd and they are anti matter. Now I've been
working on a theory to try to explain that because
I keep saying it, and I never really was fully
I never really fully understood what I was trying to say,

(23:57):
So I had to hash it out. I had to
sit down and think deep and long about it. And
what I've kind of started coming to at least my
conclusion on is that antimatter so matter is made up
of anything that has mass and takes up space.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
But what is the mass?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And if you look at it, if we take a
scientific view of this, and those who talk about the
Big Bang theory, they will say, and this is this
is where the idea for cern comes from. The particle
collider is that antimatter and matter existed when Earth was created,
when the universe was created, and they started annihilating each
other and at some point matter. So if there was

(24:41):
a billion particles and matter and a billion particles antimatter,
somehow matter had one additional particle. And so what I
believe is that the matter is the energy, is the light,
it's the you know, the photon, everything that we see
in this world, it is God's creation. But I also
believe that the negative side of that is the creation

(25:05):
of God as well. But it exists specifically as the
mass that makes up our matter, so it kind of
it is the underbelly of what creates us.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, and so you know, what you're describing is you know,
ying yang really exactly. Yeah, you're describing is non duality,
meaning that you know, we really can't look at things
in terms of good and evil.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
That's to say that the low tide doesn't need the
high tide, right, or the you know, the inhale doesn't
need the exhale. Each one relies on the other one
to exist in the first place. We don't have good
without evil. Where's our point of reference? You see what
I'm saying, and vice versa. We don't have evil without good.
And I've struggled with this because I come again from

(25:53):
a very dualistic background. It was always good versus evil.
You know, there was always like guilt and forgiven this
and then shame, you know, and always you know, grace
and mercy and and then sort of to come into
an awareness that everything relies on everything else to exist
in the first place, right, So, and then I really

(26:14):
had it because the experience itself is there's a lot
of suffering. There's a lot of confusion. Is what I've
really boiled it all down to is confusion.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
We come into this world and we're inherently confused. Right,
nobody really knows what the exactly what the hell we're
doing here. We have faith. By by faith, we believe
certain things, right, but that faith is very varied, and
but nobody really comes into this world with any sort
of existential truth. When we're younger, you know, we're we
have some sort of religion or dogmatic view passed on

(26:49):
to us, you know, and that's what we're brought up with,
and that that's you know, train a child in the
way that he should go when he is younger, when
he grows older, because that you know that because that
is rooted and that was very differentficult for me. But
you know, kind of coming out of that and seeing
that everything sort of relies on one another, I then

(27:11):
found that very you know, I really had a look
at the fact that we live on a plane of
existence that needed a savior in the first place, right, So,
you know, like we had actually called for a savior,
you know, that we needed somebody to save us. That's
how much suffering we experience on this plane of existence.
That's how much confusion that there is, and how much
duality that there is here, and that people don't know anything,

(27:34):
and that's how much chaos intention you know, goes on here.
It it actually deemed that a savior, a messiah, was
necessary to save us, like we needed to be saved, right.
And what this experience does is it forces a person
to address their inherent state of confusion with their ego. Okay, now,

(27:55):
when you make a person address their inherent state of
confusion with their ego, ultimately it leads to a sense
of insignificance, which we then try to compensate by feeling
significant in the world. We're just one of eight billion people,
you know, so I'm an individual, you know, which we
then cling to certain things like ideologies or money or

(28:18):
success or looks, appearance materials right, which always leads to dissatisfaction,
which eventually leads to anxiety, which ultimately leads to depression
or anger or hatred. And then when somebody could be
in a state of hatred, they are easily manipulable by
this you know, phenomena that's kind of behind the scenes,
which I mean, I've actually come to at a point

(28:39):
in my life where I just refer to it as
the mechanism. I've seen it do so many things across
the planet in the same exact similar fashion that I
cannot give anyone singular label as demons or gin or
this or that. I simply view it as an underlying
mechanism sort of driving all of this duality.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, this, Yeah, that's what I was trying to
get at, you know. And but again I think that
that matter, that it the matter subdues the antimatter because
if you look at like antimatter is annihilated, it is vanished.
Nobody knows where it went, but I think that it
went into creating us. It helps. So all the space

(29:23):
in your body, all the negative space around us that
we don't see, is actually that it's the other ninety
nine point nine to sixty five percent that we can't see.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
That It's like it's the mass that makes up matter.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, but again I think that the so for every
with matter and antimatter, what you have as you have
in matter, you have protons neutrons, electrons. Right in antimatter,
you have anti protons, anti neutrons, anti anti electrons, which
are called protroons. And so what I'm trying to say
is that if there's a photon of light, which is

(29:59):
God's light, then that means that there's an antiphoton of
what would be just pure darkness, right, but what God's
light exists without that opposing force exactly, And that's what
I'm that's what my point is. But you, but we
subdue it, the matter subdues it because for whatever reason,
we had that one particle, that God particle, that one

(30:20):
extra particle in the matter that helps subdue subdue everything.
And so that's why I say that I don't I
don't dismiss anything you're saying or anything.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It's an interesting theory. Well, there's no way that anything
can really be confirmed or dismissed with any of this,
you know what I mean, Like everything really when it
comes to this sort of a thing, this sort of
a topic, has to be just a very open source conversation,
you know, like the second that an ego gets involved
in this and demands like no, it's this, No, it's

(30:53):
this this thing will flip that. It will absolutely flip
that on its head and prove to you that you're wrong.
So in that, as you know, in that regard, it
has kept me extremely humble, like I mean, very very humble.
The second that I say, oh, no, it's definitely this,
it will switch up and just to make me feel
stupid so that I don't write it plays. So far,

(31:16):
it has played the role of dead people. It's played
the role of family members, neighbors, local police departments, state constables.
It has played the role of angels and demons. It's
played the role of God, It's played the role of Satan.
It's played the role of CIA, FBI, DARPA. You know,

(31:38):
it's played the role of anything you can possibly imagine.
It will pretend to be that and manifest in conscious
away observable reality as such. And then the second that
you say, oh, it's definitely that, it'll flip it. So
you know, that's why, just to keep you in a

(31:59):
state of confusion, just to let you know how little
that you actually know. You know, and that quote is
Socrates really plays a big role in this. Like I
know that I am intelligent because I know that I
know nothing that has to preside over everything. I mean,
it really has to just be over everything with this.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, it's funny when you brought up the you know,
the satellites, right, So if you actually type it Google
and you ask Google, which is pretty much AI now,
you know, you ask, Hey, how many satellites are going
to be in space, you know, revolving around the world
in ten years, It'll give you some crazy number like
one hundred to one hundred and twenty thousand satellites that'll

(32:37):
be actually in orbit. And it takes that estimate based
off of how many satellites SpaceX and other entrepreneurs that
are out there, you know, shooting things off into space.
I think that these satellites have something to do with
maybe the idea that you're you were getting into where
it's almost like it has some sort of esp connection

(32:58):
or it could access some sort of sense that we
don't know exists, which is like this telepathic sense right
where it uses some sort of low frequency waves, right,
you were talking about the just the electromagnetics that are
around us all the time, and it could access thoughts
where they could even maybe put thoughts into our mind

(33:19):
at some point. And I get a lot of this
information from just the idea of Project Blue Beam that
this would be one of the steps in Project Blue
Beam to create some sort of world religion out of
this act, right, and this is done with like you know,
ELF waves, VLF waves, microwaves, electromagnetic technologies. We know that

(33:41):
you know, the Russians back in the nineteen seventies were
developing actually a big supercomputer that was a psychophysiological almost
AI engine that was getting every language, every dialect, everything
from every different culture and demographic around the world, putting

(34:02):
it into this computer, and it was actually creating like
DNA strands, like you know, psychophysiological strands, very similar to
how we can do this with very small organisms today
and create it to have a genetic code to where
it impacts someone that has a similar genetic code. Right.

(34:24):
So so for example, this person may hear a different
voice from this other person. It may be their god
versus the other person's god. It may be Buddha versus
you know, like a Krishna or a Jesus or whatever.
And this is kind of what plays into the idea
of like Project Bluebeam to where you'll and what I
think you're are you a gnostic by the way.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
So I've actually I do, I you know, more agnostic
these days, but I actually wound up implementing a lot
of Buddhist philosophy into and.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
So and so on top of that too, because I've
done a lot of research into this, where like, where
did Eastern Mysticism come from? Because I do, I do
see what team challenge from where you came from, which
is a Pentecostal background, which they actually share a lot
of practices that Eastern Mysticism does. I think it gives

(35:21):
Christianity a bad name because I'm I'm personally a Christian,
but I don't really affiliate myself with all these different
kinds of denominations. I'm not an ecumenicist, so I don't
like think all Christianity is meant to be one because
I stay away from the idea of uniting just simply
because it it plays into the nature of what I

(35:43):
believe Satan, Lucifer and the Devil really is. I know
you mentioned that he was, you know, an opposition, but
that could be a Hegelian dialectic that he uses to
create unity, that makes any sense. I don't think that's
everything that he is. I think that he uses that
to create unification because Biblically it says that Jesus Christ comes,

(36:06):
He comes like a sword to divide because division creates order,
and order is what creates structure, and structure is what
creates things to actually be done how they were initially
created to be established. Right, So like if you have
a business, you have structure to it because you have order,
and because there's divisions. There's divisions because you have a manager,

(36:29):
you've got a floor manager, you've got you know, things
like the CEO. So there's like positions to it. And
I think that's kind of how our metaphysical world was
also developed as well. But I believe there was a
rebellion and that's why we have the differences between good

(36:49):
and evil because it was a choice. I do see
kind of like how you guys are saying where you
can't have one without the other. Sure, but it could
have just been one thing and then the other decided
to be created. It's almost like when Einstein talked about
you know, there could have only been light, but then

(37:11):
when there became an absence of light, then it became
represented as darkness, which was a side effect of an
evolution of once being light and then now becoming dark. Yeah,
that makes any sense, it does, It does.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And I think I think gratitude and appreciation plays a
big role in why there has to be an opposite, okay,
and and why we need a point of reference. And
we'll take let's take Eve in the Garden of Eden
for example. Right, So God told Eve, you know, you
can eat from any tree you want in the garden,
but just don't eat from this one tree. And then

(37:47):
you know, the serpent came along in the serpent said,
oh no, surely that's not true. You know, well, did
even even know what a lie was at that point?
We see what I'm saying, So we called this the
original sin? But yet sin didn't even exist at that point, So,
you know, did she have any reason to not believe

(38:09):
the snake like? There was no such thing as sin?
There was no such thing as So you know, when
I when I look at things like that, and then
I see the experience that I went through and the
appreciation that I have for love, equanimity, joy, happiness, patience, peace,

(38:29):
it's like a deeper development for the fruits of the
Holy Spirit. You know that I that I have, you know, love, joy, peace, patients, kindness, goodness, generalness,
and self control, and that has been developed through opposition.
It's as if, you know, it's like the same reason
that we have the Holocaust Museum. Why is it even there?
It's so that we remember, Okay, it's so that we

(38:52):
have an appreciation for why we need to hold onto
these good things, because without that point of reference, we
forget right And I feel like we're actually at a
point in time right now where we've forgotten to take
a good look at the Holocaust Museum and take a
look at the nature of our of our world. So
in that regard, you know, because because I've gone through

(39:13):
a lot of confusion with this, like how you know,
I can't even explain how something so evil could possibly
even exist, right, And you know, I think all of
this is just to create a byproduct of love. Like
we see all this duality, and then what comes out
of that, you know, is is love. That's what we

(39:34):
get out of all that. That is the one emotion
of mind that has never been manipulated throughout this entire experience.
Years of going through this, I've had anger and hatred
and rage just come out of nowhere, like it has
the ability to create hatred, and your hatred will immediately
be focused towards whatever your explanation is. So, if you

(39:57):
think it's demons, you're immediately going to hate demons. If
you think you have schizophrenia, You're immediately going to hate yourself.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Think about that. Think about that. Think about the schizophrenic
that is forced to feel hatred out of nowhere and
they think they have a disease in their head, right,
Because what we experience is by definition, schizophrenia, right. And
what the biggest difference between our community and the schizophrenic
community is that we have come to understand that what

(40:27):
we experience is not, you know, disease of the mind.
You know that it is an entanglement of consciousness. You
know that it is coming from an outside source.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
But I've never had love manipulated. I've never had kindness manipulated.
You know, these things I have had to work exponentially
more to develop and cultivate than the average person. And
my appreciation for the maintenance of love and joy and
hope is deeper, is so much deeper than I have

(41:05):
ever experienced in my entire life. So you know, these
are just you know, just throwing that out there from
from an experience of somebody going through this, Like what
actually the outcome is?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Because there we can say it's this, we can say
it's that, But the real explanation comes from examining the
outcomes that happens in people's lives that persevere and push you.
What has been produced because of this? Which do we have?
What is left over?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well, this, all of this implies that you can control
your own reality in a way, And so I actually
think that we can create negative aggrigors in our reality
in our lives because I because if that matter, it's
that antimatter fills the mass of our matter, then those
things know you, right, They're the ones that's there that
help sort of fill out the space in your body.

(41:53):
So they know your thoughts and your emotions, and they
can they're tapped into that frequency into your brain and
they can just like say things and affect you in
some way. So I feel like we have full control
over the ability to manifest these things like you. That's
kind of at least what I'm taking from it that
you're implying. But I think that when you, like I said,

(42:15):
when I was like twenty years old, nineteen years old,
and I first had a Nokia phone, you know, I
would get on that from this when cell phones kind
of first started getting real popular. I would get on
the phone, and I would get into a conversation. For
some reason, I'd be hearing a conversation from somebody else,
Like I could hear one person talking, but I couldn't
hear the other person on the other end, So it
would be a guy like, oh yeah, hey baby, it's me,

(42:37):
you know, and then you couldn't hear the response from
the girl. So I feel like that they can tap
into that same frequency, the frequency of your brain, the
same way that you used to be able to with
all these old cell phones, like the Nokia phones and stuff.
But I do think too that some of this gang
stalking must be real, right, because even though it's manifestations

(43:00):
of your own perceptions of your reality. Like I saw
a girl on Instagram who she's always posting videos of
a car stopping in the street and flickering the lights
out or no, I don't know if she made that
up or not. I don't know if it's real or fake.
I mean, there's a lot of fakes online, but she
seems to be really concerned that whatever this gang stalking
type thing is, it's a real thing. Like people really

(43:23):
believe that somebody's standing on the corner watching them or
following them in a van or something like that.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah, I guess my question. Yeah, but I was gonna say, well,
this is where it gets interesting. Okay. So let's view
a lot of this as a regurgitation of unconscious content, okay,
and not even at an individual level, but as on
a collective level. Right, our cultural taboos, our fears, are shames,

(43:54):
are karmic residue, whatever you want to you know, negative
karmack residue, however you want to imply that. So what
will eventually begin to happen is if a person is
unwilling to address something at an unconscious level, therapeutically on
their own accord, you know, going to meetings, whatever, it

(44:15):
will present itself in their conscious reality. Okay. And what
will happen is is that things that were once very
just sort of every day ominous, you know, things that
were arbitrary, things that would happen all of a sudden,
begin to turn against you. All right, the world becomes

(44:36):
your enemy. And I'll give you a good example. There's
a guy in my community. His name is James X military,
very well put together. So his entire town turned against him.
People just started treating him like crap. Okay, you couldn't
go anywhere. Everybody's saying negative things to him. You know.
Then this happens a lot, you know, just random things

(44:59):
start happening on your home. People are your neighbors are
treating you like crap. People start experiencing street theater, okay,
where there's like a gang of people on the street
that are all of a sudden acting in very peculiar
ways that is directed specifically at the individual. Coworkers will
start harassing you. Let's say you've had great coworkers. You
two guys are wonderful friends, it seems like, and then

(45:20):
one day, all of a sudden, Steven He's just like,
you know what, Brad, you're a real piece of crap.
I ever tell you that, you know, And then it's
and then next thing you know, your mother starts treating
you like that, and then you're fin like this happens
all right. So this happened with James, and this happens
with a lot of people. James went through it for years.
I wanted to think, he said, three years, and then
he started. He was hearing the voices, going with it

(45:41):
the whole time, and then one night, when he could
barely take it anymore, the one voice came in and said,
you don't have to worry about that anymore. Tomorrow will
be different. And then just like that, it all stopped.
All the harassment just stopped. He went shopping with his
family the next day. And the interesting part about this
is that the people that him like crap for years,

(46:01):
the next day it was as if they didn't even
remember that they treated him like crap for the past
three years. Okay, So it's important to understand that there
was a collective influence that's occurring here, and that people
act in ways unbeknownst to them. They don't even know
why that they're acting a certain way. And I had
witnessed this thing personally. Begin to speak through my own girlfriend.

(46:23):
If I'm having a thought, all of a sudden, she'll
say that the same exact thought.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
One day she went through this too, Okay, not nearly
as severe as I did, but one day she got
it in her head all of a sudden that I
was a pedophile and that all police were pedophiles. Right,
she went on this weird pedophile thing, right, where this
this sort of cultural taboo that we all kind of
fear and suppress and don't want to face, you know,
like this thing that we all view as like disgusting,

(46:51):
and boom, it starts coming out this unconscious content that
we all like don't want to even address or look
at or without this thing that we all fear. It
just starts coming out of the mouth, and it starts
going through the mind. And when a person and it's
my belief that she was hearing the voices but didn't
actually hear the voices, they were just uh, you know,
manipulating her. And when a person doesn't hear the voices, okay,

(47:17):
it registers as a notion of their own cognition, and
they have no choice but to believe it is of
themselves and follow through with a direct thought or a
direct uh you know, speech, or a direct behavior. They
have no clue. Right, And then I would watch her
go through these kind of waves with it, and then
the next day she'd be so real, you know. And

(47:38):
and now and now that I've learned to see it coming,
and she, you know, she doesn't do it anymore because
she you know, it's almost as if my addressing of
it the next day, because now I know this is
not of her, this is just some other sort of
thing that's manipulating her to get to me or to
create conflict within our relationship. It's immediately forgiven on my end,

(48:02):
and now it doesn't happen anymore. Right, So, what I'm
saying is that people behave and act in a lot
of ways and say certain things that is not even
of their own accord, and they don't even know why
the heck they're saying it, but they assume that it's
of themselves and that they're this individual that's not being
affected by anything else around them. And that's an important
allusion to kind to kind of see through with this.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
But again, that implies that we are the We have
the controls to the perceptions of our reality. Almost like
everything that we're doing right now, even the conversation we're
having right now, might be a projection or a hologram,
or like we're creating our own reality in some way.
It's kind of what I'm getting at, is that pretty
well what you're coming to the conclusion of as well

(48:45):
in your mind?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Sure, Yeah, I mean inner, you know, I believe that
we create our own reality in three different ways, intersubjectively, interdependently,
and in a state of inner being, you know, is
what Mahayana buddh is and would refer to it as.
And intersubjectively is the same as if you and I
kind of got together and we spoke about the nature

(49:07):
of love and came to an agreement about.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
What love is.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
You know, that's an intersubjective belief, Okay. Interdependently is the
way that we react to our environment. You know, I
give off carbon dioxide, the trees breathe it in, they
let out oxygen. I breathe in the oxygen. So there's
this sort of ebb and flow, wax and wane of
life that we all kind of have to go through
or we're all kind of dependent on one another. And

(49:31):
then there is like this inter being, right, And inter
being is an interconnectedness, an underlying interconnectedness that sort of
combines inter subjectivity and interdependence that brings the two together, right,
And that's where you you know, where I've kind of
found myself finding a lot of peace in, you know,
is seeing the verses of it all and being able

(49:55):
to just kind of step back from it, right, And
this is the transition from a dualistic mindset into a
non dualistic mindset. The part that says I see the battle,
I see the battle as a part of the wax
and way in and ebb and flow of life. And
I'm just kind of going to take a step back
from that and observe without judgment. Okay, that's that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah? But what I was asking about with the lady
on Instagram is like she had pretty clear evidence though,
so it seems like there's some real stuff going on,
some real world stuff. Can you talk about some of
that real world stuff? I mean, is there rather than
rather than just the subconscious stuff that we're kind of
getting into.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
But it is subconscious stuff though, coming up into conscious reality.
So I don't know, if you're familiar with the process
of heterodyning, you know what hetero dining is. Heterodyning is
when two frequencies are brought together to create an entirely
new frequency. Okay, and I'll just talk from my own
personal experience. Okay, there is at all times. Well, actually

(50:55):
let me start here. It has been discovered this has
proven that we dream all the time right now, not
that we are in a dream, not that you know this,
you know, although it could be who knows, but not
that we're actually in a dream right now, but that
at all times we are dreaming, not even just when
we sleep. Sleep is when we experience the dream. But

(51:15):
right now, you are in your head creating a whole
other reality that is symbolic and conceptualized based off of
this reality to help you deal with this reality, okay,
And most of that dreaming state that you are creating
in your head is probabilistic, okay, And the majority of
those probabilities are fear based because we're you know, we're

(51:38):
we're a living being and we're constantly in a state
of potentially dying. So we are constantly projecting other realities
and possibilities that could happen to keep ourselves alives. It's
a survival technique. Now, when I think about my nineteen
month old daughter at home, I am constantly thinking about
all the different ways she can crack her head open
throughout the course of the day, fall down the steps
it hurt herself, choke on something like she's just you know,

(52:01):
she's a little fragile thing. So I'm always thinking in
fearful ways. Even when you're driving the car, you're constantly thinking,
don't get into an accident, don't get don't injure yourself,
don't do this, don't Okay. So this is happening all
the time, and we're creating a whole other reality in
our head that we're applying imagery to right all the time.
So what happens is then and that's happening on a

(52:24):
lower data frequency, all right. And it's my belief that
what happens is is that the two kind of come together,
all right. And now what is what you're creating in
your head is now happening in real life, all right,
And it's almost brought to you in a very synchronistic fashion,
that there is this sort of collective unconsciousness that happens

(52:46):
all the time between people, right and now it's all
of a sudden it's starting to be brought to you,
if that, you know, if that makes sense. So in
that regard, yes, you're thinking about your world and the
way that you think about the world, and the way
that you think about yourself within the world, and the
way that you believe other people perceive you will manifest

(53:07):
in real life because that is actually happening on another frequency.
And then what happens is that two kind of start
to come together. And deep meditators practice for years to
achieve this, you know this, you know, body awake mind
to sleep state where they can sit upright, you know,
and really steady their mind to bring it down below
seven point eight three hurtz. This is known as the

(53:27):
human residence, right, and that also just happens to be
the entire Earth's frequency. Is this human residence, right? We
all sort of resonate with this frequency. But what happens
below that when you enter into like a hypnogognic state,
is almost like this sort of defragmentation thing that happens
all the time. And then below that are these other
co creator realities that we create unconsciously that we don't

(53:49):
even know and we sort of dip into when we
fall asleep. And the reason why this experience is so
prevalent with methamphetamine users, okay, is because the meta amphetamine
user is doing unintentionally and unknowingly what a meditator takes
years to train the do. They're awake for days at
a time, all right, their mind is desperately trying to

(54:11):
cycle down in the sleep modes, but yet they're still
awake and they're ripping and running. Right, They're completely depleting
their brain of serotonin and dopamine, leaving only adrenaline of cortisol,
which is fear. Right, and now they're bringing that down
into these lower sleep frequencies. And now they're spreading fear
into this lower frequency. And yeah, they might be attracting

(54:33):
other lower vibrational entities that are then, you know, coordinating
these events to happen, like and you're attracting other low
vibration into your life. You see what I'm saying, Like,
does this what I'm does this what I'm saying kind
of make sense to do this this attraction and how
this happens.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, I think too. That's why the old world was
very fascinated with building things, for example, like the Tower
of Babel. I don't personally believe the Tower of Babel
was like this spiral tower that you seeulating around the internet.
I actually think it was a pyramid because there's a
lot of geometrical things that you could do to exploit
magnetics just with the triangle in itself. But I think

(55:12):
it was a huge triangle to do something specific, and
that was to connect the physical world to the subphysical
and then through the subphysical to the metaphysical. And I
think that the metaphysical is this whole idea, this force
that you're kind of you're alluding to and stuff where
I think this is why they were so obsessed with

(55:33):
this force, which I think it's just the spiritual world
that's integrated with ours. It's just we can't see it
because like for example, the metaphysical is we can't see it.
We know it exists. The subphysical is I need some
sort of technology or I need a tool to be
able to see it, for example, atoms, red blood cells, platelets,

(55:55):
all this kind of stuff. Physical is like I could
see you, and that's objective and I know it's it's
in my existence. So I think that this idea of
this force is this collective consciousness that you know, all
the religions around the world are not only obsessed with,
but share a branch that connects to the main trunk

(56:17):
of this idea of this force. And I think that
that force is something that wants to be God in
the future, if that makes any sense. Like for example,
like Eastern mysticism, right, they say that Jesus was the
first Buddha. Buddha was Buddha, but the second one, the
third one is yet to come. Biblically, that's Antichrist. But

(56:40):
really that's going to be Matreya, which is you know,
ushering in Shambala. Shimbala is heaven on earth, which you
know Biblically, what I believe is you can't take heaven
and bring it to earth because this kingdom is divided
amongst the other kingdom. You know, there's a fallen world
versus you know, a just holy uh heaven. Right, and yeah,

(57:03):
so I think that that's what is the whole purpose
behind all of this. I think that's the whole purpose
of theosophy. I think that's the purpose of the New Age.
That's the whole purpose of Mystery Babylon is to is
to bring in all the different views of this same idea.
For example, you know, all the religions, right, theosophy bring

(57:26):
them all in together into a collective consciousness. You know,
you're going to have this a trinity in itself. You know,
when when someone says Mystery Babylon, it's it's we have
to understand that, or at least what I believe is
that Lucifer mimics, counterfeits and also inverts what God has

(57:46):
established because he's not a creator, he's not organic, he
doesn't know how to create things. He'll take he'll take
the homework and copy it so he can use it
for himself. That makes any sense. But but the trinity
is going to be the mind, the flesh, and the network.
At least what I think is the next evolution of
Mystery Babylon. I don't think Mystery Babylon has ever gone away.

(58:08):
I think it's been I think it was in the
Garden of Eden. I think it was the Serpent in particular.
It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
It was the alternative story that Adam and Eve were
told initially, which is a seducing, sensual, very enlightening story
to be drawn into, you know what I'm trying to say.

(58:30):
But the mind is like probably Ai. You know, it's
like the New Logos. You've got the flesh, which is humanity,
and then you've got the network, which can counterfeit the
Holy Spirit or the idea of it, where it's this
whole collective consciousness, you know, and it says a lot
of good things. It says love, it says all of
these amazing things that we on a physical level have

(58:53):
a connection with. But my general question is, do you
think it could be a lie? Even though it looks
very it looks very good on the surface. Well, let's
the suit that it's in. Yeah, looks very good.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Let's hold that question for one second. There was a
couple of things, All right, sorry that you No, no, no,
it's fine, it's fine. And the first thing that that
you said was that you know, we cannot see this
this realm. Well, this was actually a post. I was
drowing it up while.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
You were you mean the metaphysical, the metaphysical world.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, so this is a post of a gentleman of
my community who actually goes through a transition. Okay, what
is it?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Let me try and blow that up here. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
An eye?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
That's his eyes? Okay, so you know, so the one
is his eyes before the transition, the middle is his
eyes as he's starting to kind of transition, and then
you can see the last eye. It takes on this
kind of mirror reflective image where it's green.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
It looks like earth.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
It's like Earth, yeah, so it's very bizarre, and he
does he sees energy and the cloality, he sees orbs,
and now I personally have seen orbs myself, and that
you know. So there are certain weird physical observable things
that are happening with people in my community that I've
never seen before, and it's bizarre. Okay, So his eyes

(01:00:16):
kind of go through this metamorphosis where he's then able
to see energy and everything and the ebb and flow
of energy intertwined with everything, right when he goes into
a state of meditation. The other thing that you had
mentioned is that for I began astral projecting because of
this all right, Now, again, growing up Christian, I didn't

(01:00:38):
know that that was a thing. I didn't know that
astral projection was an actual physical activity or experience that
somebody could do. And the only thing biblically that I
could find was I guess when Paul was talking about
somebody being taken up into the third Heaven, I was
going to say that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Right, Yeah, so the wild, wicked, crazy scripture. Yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Your body, my body goes into an absolute state of vibration.
All right, It'll start in my diaphragm, and then the
whole body just goes like this, you know, just complete vibration.
And then if you just kind of relax and let
go and go into it, I mean you literally come
out of yourself, this other astral energy version of you

(01:01:24):
that I didn't even know was there. It just sometimes
it rolls out for people, they roll onto the floor.
For me, I just it's just me, you know, and
it's weird to come out and see a different form
of myself outside of myself. And then you work on
the astral plane as they refer to it, and it's
an outer body experience, and most of my experience has

(01:01:48):
been highly symbolic rooms that are filled with mirrors and clocks.
Then I would kind of go through. The last one
I had was maybe a month ago. Came out of
my body and I began circulating around as sewer grat,
and there's always this test of fear associated with it,

(01:02:09):
and then if you can let go of the fear,
you know, and I knew that it was trying to
pull me into the sewer grat, and I just knew
before to not even play that game, like don't be afraid.
So went into the sewer grat and then immediately was
propelled through some other sort of portal and out into
the universe. Literally the what we can see this, you know,

(01:02:29):
but it was nothing I've ever seen, So there is
you know, every astral projection that I've ever had is
something that is unknown to me. It's not something I
have ever imagined. Unlike the voices aspect of this now,
the voices entirely play off of your own long term memory.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
There may be every now and then some sort of
weird autonomous thing that is said to you that is
new that you go, oh, you know, that is an
autonomous thing that's happening because I don't even know that word.
But for the most part, ninety nine percent of the
time it is playing off and mimicking your own history
that you have with yourself and your life experience so far.
But the astral projection totally something new. It's a completely

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different realm that is not something that are you familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
With Vicky joy Anderson. Have you ever spoken with her?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
No, I don't know who that is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
So she does a lot of studying with sleep paralysis.
But the whole idea of you know, the the realm
of astral projection and I've also talked with Jerry Marzinski,
who's a forty five year Well, I've interviewed Jerry. Yeah, yeah,
Jerry's a good guy. Like Jerry, he gets into well,
not him specifically, but Vicky. She gets into the idea
that we're pulled into this realm. And it's if you

(01:03:38):
decide to well, like kind of like how you mentioned, right,
because I'll play along with it where you put yourself
into this vibrational state, which I think is a choice
that we do to basically unlock the door. Right, you
unlock the door. Now something has the ability to access
spirit and yanks you know, and takes spirit out of

(01:04:00):
your body into this metaphysical realm. That makes any sense
When you were saying about the changes with the eyes
and the UFO, I've had a few UFO experiences and stuff,
and what I think, at least from just researching it,
I think that's where the metaphysical, you know, goes into
the subphysical, and then from subphysical is able to you know,

(01:04:23):
appear in the physical. It's kind of like it can
go this way or this way, but it has to
go through those chains. It needs a vestible. Yeah, yeah,
and it's wild man, I mean the astral realm, because
I've had also an experience with a shadow person where
I mean it was actually choking me in my sleep.

(01:04:43):
It's terrifying. You know, you're locked up because I think
you're not actually.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I think these forces, whatever, jin demon's, fallen angels, whatever,
I think it has an identity to it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
People do say it could be agagre, but then that's
kind of like, I don't think there's any grounded truth
in it, you know what I'm saying. I think there's
a truth behind all of this, right, But what I'm
saying is I think Mystery Babylon it constantly changes, and
it goes through stages of evolution, but it still stays

(01:05:19):
the same. But it's something that you can't You can't
put your finger on it and go yes, this is it.
Right Biblically, I can at least go, yeah, you know
what this is it. It's pretty generalized, but this is it, yeah,
you know, and go sorry, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Go ahead, No, keep going, man, I was gonna I
didn't mean to jump in go ahead, my intrusive thoughts
tell me to just jump in it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I was gonna ask you, Kevin, do you feel like,
are there past traumas with you personally? Did you go
through something as a kid that because I believe that
words are obviously they're vibrations, and when someone tells you
you're you're not good enough, you're terrible, or maybe they
molest you or whatever the case is, it creates a

(01:06:06):
negative eggregore and entity that lives insides you, and it
continues to manifest and grow over time because it eventually
throughout life. You're gonna when you become a teenager, you're
gonna go, yeah, I am worthless, I am ugly, you know,
and then that's gonna grow even more. And then later
on in life's going to manifest into something like targeted
individuals or gains, gang stalking or whatever. Do you has

(01:06:28):
there been some sort of a I don't wally get
personal with you, but is there no traumas in your
life that might have caused that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, I'm all about getting personal. I'm wide open man.
I'll talk about any aspect of my life.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
That's that that part has been very freeing for me
to be able to talk about anything and everything, you know,
So I you know, I would say to some degree,
everybody goes through a little bit of trauma in life,
whether it's bullying in school or an absent parent, or
you know, some sort of actual perversion or you know,

(01:07:02):
because everybody's suffering is going to be measured by the
next suffering, you know what I mean. Like my daughter's
nineteen months old, and you know, she drops mashed potatoes
on the ground and has a complete total conniption.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
So there's there's always like this degree of like what
we consider to be suffering, and that's always going to
be in relation to the greatest degree of suffering, if
that makes any sense. So I would say that I
went through what we would consider trauma growing up or
as I was growing up, But I do not believe

(01:07:34):
that there is a correlation there for the causation of
the experience itself. You know, I've actually come to I've
actually come to believe that the experience itself is going
to happen regardless of what happens, and that there is
a bit of maybe not so much predeterminism associated with this,

(01:07:55):
but just that you know, life, life is going to
play out each individual the way that it's meant to
the way that it's meant to play out. So if anything,
I would say that that the growing up without a father.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
So I had a father who was an alcoholic and
a heroin addict that left when I was five years
old and my mother remarried and the guy that she
remarried was a police officer, okay, And then I didn't
meet my father again until I was twenty okay. So
and I did not get along with my stepfather. We
get along wonderfully now, but it was two totally different

(01:08:36):
personalities growing up. He was very rigid and absolute, okay,
Like he was everything was black or black or white,
his way or the highway. And I was just sort
of kind of like this very you know, going with
the flow, want to be seen more kind of social activity,
you know, very overly talkative individual. So you know, there

(01:08:58):
was that strictness there that I was unwilling to abide by,
which eventually led into rebelliousness, okay, which then led into
a lot of partying and alcohol and substance abuse, which
is why teen challenge came into play when I was
twenty three, you know, trying to get back to those
roots and again the whole time going through this back
and forth struggle with this other male figure in my house.

(01:09:19):
There's the church over you know, in the background, we're
all still going the church and we're dealing with the uh,
you know, the good and evil and all that. So yeah,
there was a very dualistic nature of me growing growing up,
and then this constant leather rinse and repeat cycle of
guilt shame forgiveness, okay, sin sin, shame forgiveness, sin, shame forgiveness,

(01:09:41):
constantly stuck in that that that loop over and over
and over again that needed to be broken. So yeah,
but again I don't really say that that is in
direct correlation to the experience because throughout my years of
doing this now now and quite literally the thousands of

(01:10:02):
people that I speak have spoken to that have gone
through this and still experienced this, I cannot find one
direct underlying link between us. It is worldwide. Age, gender
doesn't matter, affluence doesn't matter, demographic like I said, that
doesn't matter, the amount of trauma that you've gone into

(01:10:23):
had it doesn't matter. Now, there is an exponential amount
of people that experience this because of meta aphetamine use,
but there are also people that begin to experience this
through deep states of meditation. Right, and like I described before,
what those two things actually have in common. Now, some
people in my community because of the Gateway tapes, they

(01:10:44):
started doing the Gateway tapes. Now all of a sudden,
they're having a full blown gang stalking targeted individual experience
a lot of people because and for.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
The Gateway tapes are the meditation where you get your
your brain in sync with Yes, both sides of my
brain in sync with the yeah, the hemisyn.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Yeah, the hemi sync. I just want to clarify that, Yeah,
from the Monroe Institute. So I don't know, I don't
know if you want to go into that a little
bit more for maybe a listening audience that's unfamiliar with
what the Gateway are. So the Gateway Tapes are a
series of buyer roll beats or hemi sync that sort
of connect the left and right hemisphere. And it was
originated by a guy named doctor Robert Monroe who found

(01:11:24):
out that by putting together certain frequencies and playing them
in the ear, that you could create alternate frequencies that
could then communicate with other realms and then sort of
attract certain things into your life and also serve as
a catalyst for outer body experiences and astral projection. So
if you have, you know, if anybody's interested in that

(01:11:45):
sort of stuff, you know, just put in uh, you know,
Robert Monroe or something like that, or Gateway tapes and
you'll just have you know, huge amounts of information on
all that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I've talked about this before in my show, because so
that what happens is is there's this distance between both
sides of your brain. Essentially there's a wavelength, and you
shorten that when you do the Hemi sync, and then
a lot of people think that's how you can actually
astro project astral travel, time travel, other kinds of things.
And so what I think is happening, like what you

(01:12:18):
just alluded to is like maybe you're opening a door,
and Vicki Joy actually talks about closing that door. So
those things, those intrusive thoughts can't come in anymore and
continue to manifest into whatever is going on, because with
like Stevens said, I think too, once you join the
spiritual fight, once you join the spiritual battle, regardless of

(01:12:40):
whatever religion you think it is, it's clearly some kind
of a good versus evil, dark versus light kind of
a thing going on, a push and pull, a tug
whatever you want to call it, an ebb and flow,
a yin and yang. Clearly there's something going on dark
and light. When you join that fight for the light,
when you get on that side of the light and
you push back against these things, they pushed back against you,

(01:13:01):
they start spiritual attacks.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
I've been choked like that in my sleep a couple
of times.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
The other night, like a week and a half ago,
I was why I just got off the phone with Steven,
and Steven I don't know if I told you this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
I just got off the phone with Steven.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
It was like ten thirty at night, and I talked
to my mom for a little bit too, and I
cut on the episode of theovonn and I'm sitting there watching.
I mean, I'm just eleven o'clock a night. Normally I'd
go to bed at like two o'clock in the morning, right,
so I'm up all night, but I'm sitting there watching
the episode. And then the next thing you know, I'm
standing in my kitchen pee on the floor, and I'm like,

(01:13:37):
what in the world is going on? I mean, it
was totally like it was like I had paused the
episode and then something happened and I ended up in
my kitchen ping on the floor. It's embarrassing to talk about,
but it's like it really happened, and I'm like, what
in the world happened in that time, you know? And
that makes me think that some sort of a spiritual
thing is trying to push back again. It's some of

(01:14:00):
the things I'm talking about because I think Stephen and
I's conversation that night was something along the lines of
spiritual warfare. And you know, we talked mebe we might
have talked for forty five minutes on the phone or
something like that, which is not common. I don't typically
talk to men on the phone that long. So but
we were having a short conversation, yes, but we were
having a very spiritual conversation. And then that every time

(01:14:21):
I have people on who have talked about spiritual attacks,
something happens to me that night. So I don't know
if it's a manifestation of like it's sort of in
my subconscious and then manifests into a reality.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
In some way, or if I have become some sort
of an enemy to this thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
And so it's kind of hard to discern that stuff,
and so easily you can look at that as like
a targeted attack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, absolutely, But I would like to say, or at
least ask you a question when these sort of attacks
happened to you and afterwards you then, you know, seek
seek refuge in Jesus, right, or seek refuge in the light.

(01:15:09):
Does that solidify your belief that much more? Do you
now have?

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Or it does? Right?

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
It does?

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
And that's all I'm I guess a lot of what
I'm saying is that that is its function no matter
what your belief is, as long as your belief is
rooted in love, as long as it's rooted in light, like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
That's what this thing like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
I actually believe that that is its purpose. Like that
is you know, so I in that regard, I don't
view it as evil. I really don't. Right, And even
from a biblical standpoint, was this Isaiah forty five to seven.
I form the light and create darkness. I bring prosperity
and create disaster. I the Lord do all of these things.

(01:15:50):
So even from that, you know, like all of this
is of God, right, all of this comes from one
singular source. And it's my personal belief that we all
come from a singular source. Right, And then we leave
that singular source and we branch off into billions of paths, right,
and god knows how many more that's going on off
of that, just you know, an infinite amount of paths.

(01:16:12):
But eventually we're all kind of coming back to to
one to one source, right, what we what we what
we've come from, this singularity is what we're all sort
of heading back to, and we're all just taking a
different path to get back to it. And we're going
through the suffering and the trials and the tribulations and
the triumphs, you know, together as we do that, you know,

(01:16:32):
but we're each we're all kind of trying to understand
it from the perspective that that we're currently have and
from the path that we're the part of the path
that we're currently on, because the conversation that we're having
now it would not have taken place two years ago,
because I've learned quite a lot about all of this
in the past two years, which is wonderful, because if

(01:16:53):
the part of the path that you're on now looks
exactly like the path how it was when you began,
then you've gone absolutely nowhere, right, So these things are
meant to cultivate our minds and to cultivate our perceptions
and the cultivate the way that we view existence itself. Right,
So yeah, like I, I, that's just me. I've actually
learned to be grateful for the attacks and for the

(01:17:16):
solidification of my spiritual beliefs and for the person that
I am today, and it actually has taught me how
to fight back against these things. If anything I was
missing in my life, it was the capacity or the
understanding that I could speak back to such things, that
I could overcome these things. My addictions and my struggles
and my attachments in my life always went unaddressed because

(01:17:37):
I failed to see the power that was within me.
So when it became known, when it became you know, evident,
like whom you know here? This is what's going on
back there?

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Deal with it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Well, you know, then it was go time. And I
learned how to deal with it. And it's important to
understand that the experienced wax waxes and waans, meaning it's
it's intention is always preceded by its limits. Does that
make sense? Its intentions are always preceded by its limits, right,

(01:18:10):
Meaning that it intended to kill you, It could do
that if it intended to choke you to the point
where you suffocated.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It could do that, right, Yeah, but that's whenever I
said the name of Jesus and this thing just got
off of me immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
But yet I've said Buddha and it gets off me immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
All I'm saying is that whatever this is, it is
there to serve as conviction for the concept of whatever
you believe. Love is all right, you choose Jesus, right,
I could go back to Jesus too. It's love. It's love,
it's humility, it's sacrifice, it's forgiveness, and its unity and
its harmony and its balance. That is the concept of Jesus, right,
That is the concept of Buddha. And yeah, and the

(01:18:51):
other thing, I oh no, that's all good. You take
on from there. You can actually.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Well that Steven zep because it's it's it's hard because
I really don't. I hope I'm not coming off like
I'm like aggressive with anything that I'm I'm in opposition
with because I think of a little differently. That's okay.
I think that balance, unity and all of these things
is what's to be preached and talked about with Mystery

(01:19:18):
Babylon talked about in Revelation seventeen Revelation twenty. This is
the harlt. This is what is built on in the world,
which has never gone away, by the way, it's just
it's just in this time. It's built specifically to bring
in the whole entire world into a unified network. And

(01:19:41):
when this happens, right, this is where then shortly we
have the idea of the mark of the Beast, even
though that's in Revelation thirteen. Well, so if you're thinking
about this right from a tactical strategic point of view,
from Satan's perspective, he doesn't want you to belie even
the truth. He doesn't want you to go to heaven.

(01:20:02):
So he's got to come up with something that is seducing, sensual,
and attractive. And so let's say he builds this new
idea of a collective consciousness, a universal religion. This is
when everyone comes together as one. I think the reason
why he's doing that is specifically because then now these

(01:20:22):
people will take the image of the Beast, which is
just kind of like just just throw it out there
where this is your allegiance to this new God, right,
and then you take allegiance to this New God. The
point that that's the reason why that's happening is because
when you read just after Revelation twenty or towards the
end there, like you'll see that those that are cast

(01:20:46):
it in the lake of the Lake of Fire, which
is the second death, which is the ultimate judgment at
the end of time, where it's the false prophet, it's
the it's the devil, and it is those who are
not in the Book of Life and those that took
the mark of the Beast. It's almost like he's he's
sending out this he wants everyone to unify, because that's

(01:21:08):
him throwing the net out and catching all the fish
and the school of fish, you know, and he's bringing
them down with him, if that makes any sense. But
it looks good. It looks like it's universal consciousness. It
looks like it's all these good things that if that
makes any sense at least, just if you looked at
if you look at it tactically, if you look at

(01:21:29):
it like it like it has the possibility of being
a delusion, of being a deception, which means you don't know,
it's a deception. That's kind of like the definition of
you know, deceiving is that you're creating a belief in
someone to have but they don't they don't know it's
a lie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
But I don't even know what it is. You see
what I'm saying, like it never picks a character and
sticks with it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Yeah, I'm just saying, like, Myria, if we could run
both of these scenarios out and go okay, I can
and see that maybe there is something to that. Yeah,
and then it's a it's an option to consider for
what we see coming in the future or whatever, because
we know that, you know, there's religion is coming together.
I mean I've even heard it from Eastern Eastern Mystics

(01:22:15):
and Buddhists where they're talking about that. Yeah, the Catholics,
you know, the Christians, everyone were all the same. We're
just different. And so I don't. I don't believe that,
but I believe that that's this mystery religion that does
believe that. That makes any sense?

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
If I had like an angle zinder, no, no, no,
it's fine. If I had like an angle grinder and
I cut your head open, and I cut his head open,
and I took both your brains out and I put
them right here, could anybody tell me.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
Who is who?

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
No, I mean, no, you can't really, that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
So like our religions and our spiritual beliefs are a
complete byproduct of our upbringing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
That's that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
The only reason I was a Christian is because my
mother became born again when she was twenty two. Up
until that point, she was a Catholic, and then she
became a drug addict. She was in a state of suffering,
and then she decided to go to Baptist church because
she met a guy who wanted to dater who was
a Baptist. And then all of a sudden, we all
got raised Baptist. And now see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
So there's this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
It's not my fault. It's not even my fault that
I was raised Christian. Had I been and I'll tell
you this, had I been raised Muslim, right, this thing
would be pretending to be Christians.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
It has prosthetized over me, like the voices will switch
roles and begin praying in the name of Jesus to me.
It will tell people that they need to go to
church or read their Bible, and then when they go
to church. It had attacked on me even more I'm
sure Brent Marzinski actually talked about that. You know, people
go to church and they start feeling as if there's
like worms on their skin, right, And I guess what

(01:23:53):
I'm saying is is that it's all in orchestration, all
of it, and we're all buying it. It's all theater,
all empty orchestration and theatrics, and we're all buying it.
Then we're all you know, it keeps us in conflict
with one another. That's you know, That's that has been
my after going through this and seeing it play any role,

(01:24:15):
any single role. It will be aliens, it will be
I mean, it will be anything. It can literally play
the role of anything. And the role that it will
play will not only serve to confirm your belief, but
then it will serve an opposition to that belief to
create confusion. It takes advantage of all all of our
inherent states of confusion, no matter where you're from or

(01:24:35):
what your cultural beliefs are. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I think that's true too, because when you look at
I know people who have had paranormal experiences and they
have seen things like Fred Flintstone and teenage mutant ninja
turtles and stuff like that as kids, because again that's
from the perception of the kid. He's he or she
is having a psychological experience based on what they know.

(01:25:00):
And also these projections, these things, these tricksters, this negative energy,
this trickster energy, this negative energy will manifest itself in
whatever way that you can perceive it. But I mean
to the person who's who is experiencing this, it's a
very real thing to the individual, right, And so yeah,
how do you what would you say to people who

(01:25:23):
feel like they're being followed or watched or harassed, or
who feel like, you know, there's a coordinated network of
like FBI or CIA of viduals targeting them, or they
feel like they're belongings are being tampered with, or they
feel like everybody's against them, there's like this, like you said,
street theater, or they're being followed by strangers or whatever.

(01:25:44):
What what do you say to them who are experiencing this?
How do you get them to realize that that's going
on and step outside of it like you do, and
just watch the show that's going on rather than participate
in it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
It's really easy. You say, I don't know, right, people,
I've come to realize when they're in this hypervigilant sort
of a state, it is it's almost impossible for them
to say I don't know, because the brain demands order. Okay,
the brain demands an explanation for what is going on,
and it will often just kind of choose one or

(01:26:21):
make one up, or just rely on one just to
pacify itself, because the brain doesn't like to be confused,
especially the conscious mind. It's that part of the mind
that says this or that, you know. So one of
the best things that somebody can do is kind of stop,
take a breath, don't respond, and then learn to say
I don't know, because now you're opening yourself up to

(01:26:44):
other potentials and other possibilities. But up until that point,
they're always going to respond is if they do know,
and the voices will also react onto that assumption. And
it's all an assumption. So what that really does is
it forces a person to stop lying as well. Right,
I can honestly sit here and look both of you
in the eye and say that I have not told
a single lie in over two years. I have not

(01:27:08):
you know, if we're going to be personal, I have
not I looked at pornography. I have not masturbated. I
have not oh my, you know, not taken anything that
doesn't belong. Like my entire life changed once observation became real. Okay,
there's a complete switch that happens with that now a
you know, but that was because I was willing to

(01:27:29):
say that I don't know. I don't know what this
observation is that's happening. I don't know where it's coming from.
It could be God, it could be anything. It could
I don't know what that observation is. So there's almost
like this dependent or even codependent integrity that happens within
an individual. But as long as a person says, oh,
it's definitely this, it's my neighbors, well you're going to
react to that. And then we see people get murdered

(01:27:50):
quite frequently. I mean, you know, if you get a chance,
you can pull it up people that murder other people.
There was a case Stephen Marlowe. He's still you know,
he's in jail waiting for trial for this. I believe
the voices were talking to him and they were being antagonistic,
and he believed that his neighbors were part of a
sleeper cell terrorist organization that were projecting these thoughts into

(01:28:12):
his head. He was getting hit with the bodily vibrations
and next thing you know, he grabbed the gun and
he went over to the one neighbor's house and shot them.
It was an elderly couple, you know, just no clue.
And then he went over to the other neighbor's house
and shot a mother and her fourteen year old daughter.
Like this is the kind of stuff that actually happened, okay,
And this was a very well put together man up
until that point. Myron Mays was another very well put

(01:28:34):
together man. He was a prosecutor that began here in
the voices, right, and they were attacking his self image.
He was taking a bubble bath and there's always look
at him taking bubble baths, and I'm sure he made
some comment about his sexuality. Eventually he wound up getting
a gun and shooting up a library. I mean, these
things do happen. So the person that feels targeted from

(01:28:55):
an outside source, the end result of that can possibly
be homicide. And then the person that is schizophrenic and
believes it's all in their head, the end result of
that is suicide. And we see thirteen percent of all
people that are diagnosed schizophrenic might even be fifteen percent
kill themselves, and that percentage is way higher for attempted suicide.

(01:29:15):
I think it's almost upwards to like thirty or forty
percent of people that are diagnosed schizophrenic try to kill themselves.
So you know that, for me, if I could just
say one thing right there, for the person that just
starts experiencing this Jacob breath, don't respond and be willing
to say I don't know, all right, because then you're
going to go down that it's definitely this route, and

(01:29:35):
then it's going to be confirmed and it's a false
confirmation bias, and then you're acting not in accordance with reality.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Yeah, I do. I do agree that actually that there
are negative forces that are designed to help maybe make
you grow a little bit, help you grow a little bit.
I really believe that that's true. But yeah, to kill somebody,
to call somebody to kill I struggle with that because
that's a you know, that's a very that takes it

(01:30:02):
to the extreme right, I mean, and it would seem
like and I believe that could be wrong about this, Stephen,
you might be able to help me. But Satan Hasatan
means the adversary, right, it means he was his job
was to do just that what we're talking about now
right where it's like you're he's squeezing and tempting Eve

(01:30:25):
and Adam and trying to get them to do bad
things in order to help them grow in some way.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
And I think, I think, no, I think the perfect
story that that biblically you can kind of bring into
this idea is just the Book of Job. Right. So
you have Satan went up to, you know, amongst the
sons of God, and he actually went and told God, hey, look,
let's have a deal. Let's make a deal where you know,
I'll do all these terrible things to Job and he'll
renounce his faith in you. And so that's that's kind

(01:30:54):
of like you know, someone of of evil nature going
and trying to and is actually you know, interacting with
someone's life, right, metaphysical, subphysical to the physical. And then
now is doing all these things trying to spiritually change somebody.
But Satan means yes, adversary, devil means accuser, Lucifer, light bearer.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
But we also saw this with Paul during his ministry too,
where he said he had his messenger of Satan, who
was the thorn in his flesh, and he pleaded with
the Lord three times, take this away from me. That's
how much suffering is. And and God's response was, my
grace is sufficient for you, for your power is made
perfect in weakness. Right, So really examine that. Examine that,

(01:31:38):
examine that God was allowing the apostle Paul to go
through all this, and he said, because of these great
many revelations that I'm currently experiencing, I don't want to
come across as boastful, right, So he was going through
sort of a targeted individual experience himself, right. And God
was allowing this messenger of Satan because he said, my
power is perfected in weakness. So we see this adversary

(01:32:01):
being used by God to create a stronger, more whole
individual And that, you know, does that does that? Registered?
Is like, does that make sense how this is actually used?
And in that sense when you can actually see that, right,
that what I am experiencing is God's grace. This is
how God has chosen to help me overcome life. How
can I not be grateful? Right? How can I not

(01:32:23):
step outside of the versus battle of all this, you know,
because as long as I butted heads with the mechanism
behind this, I was I was button heads with it.
I was stuck in the fight with all of it. Right,
But when you can see it all from an outside
perspective and say, oh, this is just how things are
cultivated with humans, Like this is how the field the
fertilizer grows crops. This is you know, like this is

(01:32:45):
how the flowers become garbage and then the garbage comes
up again in the flowers. This is the event, you know,
This is the suffering made made into us, you know,
the version of ourselves that we are today that can
help other people that are in a state of suffering.
This is how we become better p you know, better
versions of ourselves. So yeah, like stepping outside of all
of that, and I've learned to have to let go

(01:33:06):
of a lot of intelligence because I was full full
of knowledge, full of knowledge, full of biblical understanding, full
of you know, and I thought I knew everything. And
it wasn't until the experience became real and the suffering
became unbearable that you got to like overll, like you

(01:33:27):
have to let go, like no amount of knowledge is
going to save you through all of this. It's resonance.
You have to be willing to resonate on a different level,
you know, to actually get through now, whether that's crying
out to Jesus or whether that's cultivating like a more
whatever that resonance is. It's a frequency that all of
us can kind of go up and we go down,
you know, And it's I think it's all just it's

(01:33:47):
there to push us up, like that's what it's doing.
It's like it's like a sub pump. It's there to
just kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Push keep pushing and pushing and pushing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Yeah, if that's the case, then why did you leave
Christianity and go to to lean towards Buddhism and other.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Ideas of this to say that I left Christianity. I
can't say that I left Christianity. You know, I could
just as easily go I have a church across the
street from my house, go over there and praise on
a Sunday morning. Then I could go to a temple,
Buddhist temple. And you see what I'm saying, Like, I
never left Christianity.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
You're still part of it. You're still You're just saying
that you could mold, and like Bruce Lee said, be
like water. Like water, take the shape of whatever container
that you're with.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Yeah, but then you know, even that, I would say,
push beyond that, push beyond you know, having like you know,
like I'm here to take a mold like No, you know,
it's I am who I am, and who I am
accepts you for who you are. It's the ability to
see all others as yourself and yourself as all others.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Yeah, but what do you say to those who feel
like me?

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
For example?

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Yeah, I feel like I'm being spiritually attacked or energetically
targeted if you want to call it that, because I'm
talking about all of this stuff, Like, why would I
be attacked for that? If that's part of the process.
Why would it feel like I'm you know, something's pressing
on my chest as if to say stay away. Yeah,

(01:35:16):
why is that happening?

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
I went through the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
So, when I first started doing the podcast, which was
about a year and a half, so I started the
subre at a community positive ti okay, and then I said,
you know what, I want to start collecting interviews with
other targeted individuals and the second I made that decision,
I started reaching out to other people. I was attacked
with the voices and physical sensations they say, you better
not do that, you better not do that right. And

(01:35:39):
my response, and I remember it very vividly, was I
will not be threatened out of helping another human being
that is suffering. And it stopped, and it stopped, right.
So it's looking for intention. What is your intention behind
what you do?

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Because I see what I'm saying, so you're our intentions matter.
I will say that. You know, above all this other
drama that's happening, are intentions that underlying rhythm. You know
why we do the things that we do?

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Is it out of greed? Anger? Delusion? Is it because
we want to be seen?

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Why do we do this? Why are we doing what
we're doing right now? Do I want money? Do I
want to be seen? Do I just want to be heard?
Maybe I just want people to hear me. I want
to sound cool because my self esteem sucks. I'm no, right,
I will not be threatened out of helping another human
being that is in a state of suffering and that
requires empathy. Because I suffered greatly. I suck like this
is like you and I have the amount of suffering

(01:36:31):
that somebody goes through and the amount of confusion that
they experience when they go through something like this, you
have no choice put to have an empathy for everybody
else that is going through it and wanting to see them.
So now my intentions have been pure. I have pure
intentions behind everything that I do. And this is why
it's been working. This is why the community is growing.
In the face of all other communities, targeted individual communities

(01:36:53):
that are entirely hell bent on a technological explanation and
are feeding each other nonsense constantly keeping themselves suppressed, this
one particular community is now rising up. This is now
getting attention, This is now working. The twelve steps that
are there for people to cultivate self awareness and self
acceptance is working, and I'm seeing it work over the

(01:37:15):
past two years. I'm seeing people rise up and out
of it and above it and come back to healthy
human lives. You know, because my intentions were purified and
out of it, and that that, to me has more
power than any any other thing. Is our intentions. Intentions
are sort of an unspoken karmic language that we don't
you know. And I believe that is the power of
prayer as well. What are we doing when we're praying,

(01:37:37):
we're cultivating pure intentions? God, please help me do this,
God please help me do the copy. And I do
I believe that that's the power of prayer.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
So yeah, I have a question, sorry if you don't mind,
so of course.

Speaker 6 (01:37:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
So the Bible kind of is in a generalized idea
is where if you're for Christ, then there's an adversary
against you, these forces against you, and they persecute you,
they put you through tribulations and all this kind of stuff.
But then if you oppose Christ, the world is given

(01:38:17):
unto you. You know. For example, you can have this
scene where even Jesus himself is being tempted by Satan
for forty days, right, and in one of these temptations,
he's like, if you just worship me, which means opposition
against Christ, that I will give you everything of the world.
You know, And so what are you what are your

(01:38:38):
thoughts with that as far as because I you know,
you know, I do believe that if you're for Christ,
there are things against you if you oppose Christ. And
what I mean by opposed Christ is you don't believe
he's God. If you oppose Christ, then then kind of
this adversary who runs this world, who's the prince of

(01:39:00):
the power of the air here, will luxuriously pave a
road for you to where you'll never go back to Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
So I think that that is very important what you
just brought up to see that, and I agree now
and even Buddhism can back this up right, because Buddhism
refers to this world as sam Sarah, the world of suffering,
and it refers to this world as Maya. It's a
world of illusion where no satisfaction will ever be found

(01:39:34):
in material possession because just like us an impermanent being,
we grasp onto other impermanent things cars, houses, that are
also in a state of entropy and dk always leaving
us in a state of dissatisfaction. Right, So if you
can take that belief where Buddhist says, you know, everything
in this world is an illusion, you know it's there

(01:39:55):
for you to actually see through and not cling to,
you know, learn to become not a attached to this
world of suffering and then align it with Jesus's world.
Jesus's words, do not love the world or anything in
this world. If anybody loves the world, the love of
the Father is not in him, right, and that I
am a huge proponent of that. I've actually made a
post about that a few months ago where those two

(01:40:16):
sort of concepts come together, that this world is not
our home, right, And I believe that a lot of
people and it's coming out in different concepts.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
We have this new subcommunity called prison planet community where
people believe that this is like a prison planet of
reincarnation where we're just we're stuck here, right. We have
this simulation theory where we're all just kind of stuck
in the simulation. So we're seeing a lot of these
new theories come out. And I don't view prison planet
simulation theory, Sam, Sarah and Maya as anything different. They're

(01:40:49):
just different perspectives of saying the same thing. Do not
love this world or anything in this world, right, don't
get attached to things in this world that are also
like you in a state of dkay. This is not
your home.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I believe that this is a place for us to cultivate.
This is the fertilizer for the crops to grow out of, right.
But we need to learn how to remain detached from
those things. It's also important to notice that Buddha was
also tempted with the same exact same things that Christ
was during his forty day fast in the desert, the

(01:41:20):
same exact things power possession women actually was entertained with women.
So yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess that's the best
way that I commanded, and that is what I promote
within the community, and that is what this experience will
actually teach people. And it mocks the hell out of you,
like when you believe it, Like these people are told

(01:41:43):
you're going to be an actor, right, We're led to
believe that this is some sort of new reality television
show and that they're going to make all kinds of
millions of dollars. And then when they feed into that narrative,
it mocks the hell out of them. It just absolutely
ridicules them and trashes them and belittle them. And then
so you're kind of you go through this cycle of
your ego being boosted up. Oh yes, I'm going to

(01:42:04):
and then just smashed over and over and over again,
up and down, up and down, up and down, up
and down. So if I guess the best way to
describe it as like a hurricane or a tornado. Right,
So you have a tornado that has sort of a
tight funnel at the bottom, and then as it goes
up it fans out right. And at the very beginning
of this, the Wax and Wayne periods are very tight,

(01:42:24):
tightly wound. You're the greatest guy in the world. You're
an EFN idiot, You're the best thing we've ever met,
you stupid piece of like very tightly wound boom. And
then it goes around and around, and then I find
kind of fans out where the Wax and Wayne periods,
you know, they aren't they aren't as drastic, there aren't
as much. And then what is left is to you
that comes out of it, that is no longer at
cast to this world, that no longer really cares about

(01:42:46):
other people's processions of you, that has a higher vibrational state,
that is more willing to help other people because you
too have suffered yourself, and an open state of awareness
and empathy for other people.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
So yeah, it almost seems like suffering that you go through.
You have to go through the suffering, and then that
there are bodyguards or door you know, you remember going
to clubs in the early two thousands or late nineties
or whatever. There's a bouncer there taking IDs. It's like
the bouncer that lets you in says, hey, are you

(01:43:17):
old enough to get in here yet?

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
Are you ready to get beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
This level and go to the next level. Maybe that's
how the adversary, that's what the adversary is, is the guard,
the gate guard to going to your next to your
higher version of yourself. Whether that's because I do believe
that I believe that we are designed to find our
way back to God, our path back to God, and
vibrationally raise our vibrations and go to that next level

(01:43:42):
and that next level and that next level. I don't
think they will ever be like God, obviously, but I
think that we are kind of designed to escape the
material and blossom into kind of using your Tornado analogy,
into the ethereal, into the spiritual, into the metaphysical.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
So I'm interested to see Brad and yeah, I feel
free to email me and let me know. But now
that we've had this conversation, and as you venture forward
with what you do, if learning to take a step
back and say that the attack is not on me

(01:44:20):
personally right, because it feels personal. I've been choked and
actually I've had it where I felt maced. I felt
like I was sprayed with mace. I was just at
work one day and all of a sudden, I was
just sprayed with it. I felt like I was sprayed
with mace. Right, So I've had this sort of thing happen,
heart palpitations, you know, And you know, if you can

(01:44:42):
kind of take a step back and say, well, that's
just part of the culture, that's part of the cultivation, right,
that's just part of God. And see, you know, all
of the mess, the whole doualistic battle of it all
helping me become a better version of myself. Thank you.
You know, if you can develop gratitude towards the whole thing,
not just your belief in Jesus, not just your belief
in God and helping you overcome, but the entire but

(01:45:04):
the experience in its entirety, and try it and then
let me know what continues to happen afterwards. Because when
I made that shift, it stopped. Yeah, it stopped doing that.
I wasn't individually, I wasn't personally attacked anymore, and things
really opened up For me, I became grateful for all
of it, the suffering, the overcoming, you know, but seeing

(01:45:26):
that as part of part of the experience of life itself,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
And I think that's kind of the purpose of this
show is to provide a place where people can listen.
And I'm very open about just talking about peeing on
my floor. That's not exactly what you want to do
whenever you're talking to thousands of people who are listening online.
But I think this this podcast and having people like
you and Steven to talk to about this kind of stuff,

(01:45:51):
it helps avoid isolation.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
It helps.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Find a new friendship and new brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Whatever you want to talk about is like therapy in
a way, to be honest with you, talking about these
kinds of things online. So having a community like yours
is a great thing, you know, having the targeted in
the visual community. And I'm sorry you suffered, and I'm
sorry you went through so much suffering for so many years,
but you did come out of the other side. And
I think that is the goal for a lot of time,
a lot of times for the suffering is that you

(01:46:18):
have to be lost in the darkness in order to
find the light to know what the light is. But
I think it's important to sort of ground yourself, you know,
get better sleep, better, nutrition, better exercise, be more mindfulness
of everything, help others, you know, try to not be

(01:46:40):
so confrontational with people when you see them, and just
try to pull others up to your level while you know,
because if you if you feel like you're being targeted,
and I personally know somebody who does feel like they're
being targeted in some small way. But if you feel
like you're being targeted, maybe you shouldn't continue to isolate
yourself and lock yourself in. And I've seen bad things

(01:47:03):
happen when you do that. I literally know two people
personally that felt like somebody was against them and it's
not going well for them right now. And now they
realize now that they've kind of overcome that suffering and
moved beyond that barrier. They're still in legal trouble, but
now they're like they understand, like that wasn't me, you know,

(01:47:25):
whatever that was was not me. It was something that
was designed to get me past that version of me.
And they were very paranoid and they were buying certain
things and they were prepping and doing all this other stuff.
But I think it's important for people to find community
for sure, find spirituality, find for me for those who
what I'm going to continue to do is push. It's

(01:47:46):
a great commission. I'm going to try to continue bring
people to Christ. So find spirituality, find church, find community,
find prayer and stuff like that to avoid all this stuff.
Is that pretty well what you talk about, and the
targeted individual stuff too, is it is?

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Yeah, I'm in community and if you can, if you can,
you know, I mean, you said I'm a sorry that
you suffered, and looking back at it, I'm not because
I look at what came out of it, you know,
and and and the love that is cultivated through suffering

(01:48:24):
because of empathy. You know, when we when we don't
have empathy for one another, we don't understand one another,
and we don't see each other as ourselves and ourselves
as as each other. And the outcome of all of
this is, uh, you know, my current day reality, which

(01:48:44):
is a sober I've been sober for over two years now,
as a sober, present, loving, caring father to a nineteen
month old daughter, hard worker, you know, great job benefits,
you know, spiritual life, relationships with family restored prayer, meditation,

(01:49:07):
life practice of mindfulness, like I'm very mindful of my
words and my behaviors and my actions. And a community,
you know, several online communities where others can come together
and learn how to do the same with this very
tumultuous experience. So and I would have not have been
able to relate to these people had I myself not

(01:49:28):
gone through it. You see what I'm saying. So yeah,
I just wouldn't be able to empathize it propriately enough
to give worthy advice to actually stand here and say,
you know, you can do this, because I wouldn't be
able to say you can do this had I not
done it. You have to do it first before you
can actually say you can do this with a little

(01:49:48):
bit of confidence and conviction behind that where somebody else
can see that and say, you know what, I can
do this. He did it, He did it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
I can do this.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
So yeah, thankful, very thankful for to gave me a
new reason, gave me a new purpose.

Speaker 5 (01:50:03):
Meaning I'm glad man, and I'm happy for you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
I really am.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
And I think that that's kind of where I am
at too. I've grown, I've I've found my.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Piece, I've found a community, Like I said, what I
was talking about with Steven earlier, got other great guys
like Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens podcast and rye
Vals from Codec's Curiosities to always email and text and
talk to and have and it makes me feel not
as isolated, which I used to feel like whenever I
would because because regardless of the targeted individual stuff, when

(01:50:34):
you start what I call waking up or becoming more
enlightened or awakened or whatever it is, then it's like
nobody else is awake and you're just kind of looking
around like nobody else sees that what's going on. So
having a community I think is very important. But Steven,
we're gonna go ahead wrap this up, man. I want
you to go ahead and start first, and then we'll
end with Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
No thanks, man, it's always fun man. And uh again,
you know what was brought up not too long ago,
was you know, establishing friendship, having conversations with people that
don't always have to agree with each other, but we've
become together, you know, where we get to share the
human experience with one another, you know, And I think

(01:51:17):
that's really important and it's something that I try to
do with my show, because I mean, not everyone that
I have on my show agrees or thinks the way
I do. But just from learning this through being a
podcaster and meeting new people, it's something that is refreshing.
It's something that I think is we're getting something out

(01:51:37):
of it. You know, we're not only taking golden nuggets
from each people that we get to, you know, talk with,
but you know, we're also establishing friendships. And if the
world was to run things like this, I think it
would be a better place. Right, I'm sure we could
all kind of agree. And you know, hey, bro, just

(01:51:58):
I appreciate you for letting me kind of jump in
on this. It was last minute, and thank you for
that opportunity. You know, if anyone wants to check out
my show, it's the Biblical hit Men. And uh yeah, man,
well thanks man, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
You for coming on. Man, I appreciate it. And Kevin,
I heard you mentioned the podcast a couple of times.
You got a podcast, and I'm sorry I didn't mint
on the intro whatever, but we started it, and like
I was saying, we actually interviewed doctor Marazinski maybe about
six six seven months ago, and uh, just because it
was very important.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
I felt that it was very important to have some
sort of an alternate view, you know. I try to
really push people towards this spiritual thing, you know, with
the paths go or at least be open minded to it,
I guess, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
Yeah, so we have.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
So I started Positive TI, which is on Reddit, which
is a community of people that have all kind of
taken a very psycho spiritual path with the targeted individual
experience in gang stalking. And we do have a twelve
step program on there that is there to help people
kind of go through the experience understand the phenomena as

(01:53:06):
they're facing it. We have a sponsorship program on there
of other people that have like myself, that have gone
through that are more than willing to donate their time
and energy and experience and testimony to other people that
are just starting off. And then we have the discord
community as well, which is off of that. So what
I wound up doing was eventually I saw a need

(01:53:29):
to sort of step away from the targeted individual label.
The more that I began to see that the targeted
individual labor label is a misnomer because the label in
itself is very isolating. I am an individual who was targeted.
There was none like me, you know, see what I'm saying,
I am, you know, it's just me that's being targeted,

(01:53:50):
and there's you know, so and I felt that that
really kind of fed into the isolation and didn't really create,
you know, more of a harmony with people. So I
began another community that I call power Awareness. Power Awareness, right, so,
and that is the Discord community, and that is also
the YouTube channel. If you just go on YouTube and

(01:54:12):
put in power Awareness, you'll see the videos that we
have so far, and some are just weekly devotionals with
me and some are the other guests that we have
on there that we talk about synchronicity and the experience itself.
And my co host is also a targeted individual that
deals with a lot of the physical stuff like what
you were talking about, so he's really gone through it
as well and come out on the other end.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
So so, you know, so that's it. And I guess
a good way for me to end this is like
one of the one of the biggest things, you know,
and this kind of goes into what we do, right,
what we do, and then other people's perceptions of what
we do, and you know, Jesus is a wonderful example
of this. It doesn't matter if you help the blind

(01:54:57):
people see, if you heal people, if you feed the masses,
if you walk on water, if you raise the dead.
Right in the end, people will still they will still,
they will still hate you and hang you out the
dry just because they live in fear. So that's a
big enemy here is fear and ignorance, I'm finding, right,

(01:55:19):
So if we can push beyond the boundary of fear
and ignorance and come together with more discussions like these,
then we can really make something happen. But if something
doesn't happen, or there's negative commentary, or people are squabbling
or fighting or saying you're this or you're that, that's
to be expected. That's part of it. That's all part

(01:55:41):
of the dualistic nature of all of this is people
fighting it out and arguing over what's right and what's wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
But if we can, you know, kind of step outside
of that and let's talk about what actually matters, then
I believe we can actually get somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
With all this.

Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
You know, it's a good way to end it. Man,
this has been a great conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Actually open my mind up a little bit on some
of these topics, because now I'm kind of looking at
the adversary as some sort of you know, necessary evil
to form the diamond that is the human experience, I
guess you could say so. And it's called the Your
show is called the Para Awareness or is it p

(01:56:21):
A R A W A R E in E S S.
That's correct, Yeah, Pair Awareness. Okay, that's your podcast, and
it's mostly on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
It is all on YouTube. Yeah, and if you just
put in my name, if you go in the YouTube
and just put in my name Kevin or targeted individual
something like that, that'll take you to my personal channel,
which is where I have interviews with other TIS from
all over the globe. You know, people on there from Italy, Australia,

(01:56:51):
every part of the United States, like people in my
community come from South America, England, scottlike they're from everywhere,
all experiencing the same exact, sequential, procedural event, with the
same repetitive statements going on in their heads, with the
same tactile sensations with this, you know, like doctor Marzinski
would say, hallucinations don't run patterns, right, So what we're

(01:57:12):
experiencing is some sort of an event, that's an event
that is happening to people. And the more that we're
coming together, it seems to be happening more. And now
people are coming in that they didn't even know that
this was an event and just say, oh my gosh,
I'm experiencing the same thing, right, So yeah, it's becoming
a thing. It's becoming a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
It's been great, man, And I know this is going
to go on Steven's show, and Kevin, you can use
this on your channel as well. You're more than welcome
to use this recording. So I'll go ahead and say
that you can find me at the awakenpodcast dot com.
And if you liked all the content you hear here,
please do me a favor. And if you haven't, if
you haven't done so yet, please go ahead and subscribe
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(01:57:54):
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(01:58:16):
because I do sense that some of this this information
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will really help us out. And again, guys, thank you
so much for your time today. I really appreciate it.

(01:58:36):
We went over two hours, but those are usually the
conversations that people like the most because we can kind.

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
Of unfold a lot more.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
So, thank you guys very.

Speaker 5 (01:58:44):
Much for joining me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Awesome, all right, thank you for having me on. I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
Thanks Brad, love everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:59:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:59:10):
The gross for I don't know where to our news
and control, trying not to see my soul.

Speaker 7 (01:59:19):
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Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
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to sell me.

Speaker 7 (01:59:29):
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Speaker 6 (01:59:32):
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Speaker 7 (01:59:34):
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Speaker 6 (01:59:40):
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my clothes soaking with big some sweat, and the ring
going hap its habits and course.

Speaker 7 (01:59:48):
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half done.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
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Speaker 7 (01:59:56):
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Speaker 6 (02:00:16):
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trying not just set up out sitting back thinking about
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(02:00:38):
that's still a miss to reap a mess.

Speaker 7 (02:00:40):
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won't stop what out of by. I won't give and
won't give, and know what I'm gonna sit down right
a head pray, And that's the Lord above to help
me change my way. Today. The world's still with green being. Hey,
you move in to him after vibration to the break,

(02:01:01):
you can love me.

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Speaker 7 (02:01:04):
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Speaker 6 (02:01:06):
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Speaker 7 (02:01:21):
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got me?

Speaker 6 (02:01:43):
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Speaker 7 (02:01:49):
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Speaker 6 (02:01:54):
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trying not to my soul.

Speaker 7 (02:02:01):
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not to sell so but I'm standing at the grossbones.
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Speaker 7 (02:02:19):
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