Bachelor Greatest Seasons Ever Episode 3 + Labor of Love Episode 5

Amy and Haley cover The Bachelor: The Greatest Seasons Ever! featuring Ben Higgins, and Episode 5 of Labor of Love.

Episode Transcript

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Hey everybody, and welcome to theBachelor Greatest Seasons Ever. Half up,
I'm Amy here as always with thelovely Haley Strong Haley. How are you
doing tonight? Amy? I justI just want to let you know that
I love you. Ensure I've toldmany podcasts co hosts that in the past,

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but I just want you to know. Wait, are you allowed to
say this? I don't follow anyroles. I'm I'm the bad girl of
podcasting. Yeah. Well, Hey. It worked out for Ben and seemed
like, I mean, he's likethe poster child of he took over for
Sean Love. I feel like asa poster child of a Bachelor franchise,

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he didn't have a successful relationship fromthe shows. No, but I believe
I do believe his infamy from theshow has led to his current relationship.
It really gave him the confidence toslide into this young woman's dam six months
after he took a screenshot of thepicture like he didn't want us to know

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that, did he? Or didhe say that? No, because I
heard him talked about it before whereit was like, oh yeah, I
was looking up like I think hewas looking up like the geotag of where
he was going somewhere and her picturecame up or whatever, if it was
like the hockey something or a hotelor something that he was staying in for

(01:42):
travel and that, but it didn'tdidn't say anything about a screenshot, I
don't think. Or six months later, so was he taking a lot of
screenshots of different people in every town? I think? So something about that
star. Sorry, that just seemsa little interesting to me, I'd say,

(02:05):
yeah, I agree. I meanSean Booth took a screenshot on snapchat
right off Caitlin when she was onChris's season and was like sent it to
his friends and was like that's mywife or something like that. That feels
different to me, right because it'son TV. Yeah, it does feel

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different. So, yeah, thatwas an interesting revelation. And there was
something that Chris Harrison said like anannouncement that will send shockwaves through bassturination.
Was that the announcement? I don'tknow what was the announcement that I thought
the announcement was Dean and Kaylin.That was my impression. They were really

(02:49):
going hard on that. Yeah,that's true. So every episode of this,
so we we're covering Ben's season.That was the Grace seas never that
that they showed on Monday Night,but every episode they seem to have a
quarantine check in with someone not relatedto that season, and this time it
was Dean and Kaylin. Any bigsurprises for you with them, No,

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I do, like I hope thatKlein has been able to kind of settle
into who she is in her postBachelor or life. I think her and
Dean, as skeptical as I wasabout them going into their relationship, I
think they might be a good matchfor each other's. She's kind of bringing
them up and he's kind of bringingher down a bit, not like a

(03:36):
negative way, but in like alike let's all chill out. And it
didn't look like she was wearing muchmakeup for her interview, and she looked
really great, and she just seemedlike calm in a way we haven't seen
her in her main Colton season oron Bachelor and paradays, Since that makes
any sense, Yeah, yeah,I agree. It's not something I would

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have pictured for her based on whowe got to know on Colton season.
Yeah, she was a pageant girl. I wouldn't think any pageant girl would
be into the van lifestyle. Butyou know she likes it, so she
says yeah. Um, before weget into the full coverage of Ben season,

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Um, let's see in Bachelor Nationnews back, Martinez had a baby.
I don't know if the name hasbeen released yet. She can take
her time with that. Yeah.I don't think she had chosen one yet.
Yeah. So, but it's avery adorable little boy. I think
Britt maybe had her baby, butshe's just been kind of silent on social

(04:41):
media. So h Courtney Robertson didhave her baby. She did too,
Yeah right, yeah, let melook what she named it. Courtney and
Jenna had hers maybe two weeks agoof was redeemed our race. Yeah,

(05:04):
Courtney's baby is named Joaquin Ramone Presciato. Oh my gosh, yank the same
day as guess. Yeah, goodfor them, congrats on the babies.
I also have an update email fromlast week. Okay, um Sokai had
emailed this last week. We readher email on the pod past and she

(05:28):
emailed me again. She said,just an update. JJ is now remarried
and Clint was one of his groom'smen. And JJ's wedding was in February
of this year. So recent.Okay, so good good for them.
I saw some other Vaster Nation peoplegoing to that wedding, but I didn't.
I probably didn't even know who Clintwas. I said, I totally
forgot him. Lane was j Jche Lane. Y're not underscore? Um.

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His wife's very pretty yurdle convertible.This Clints and he looks very different.
I would not have recognized him becausehe has short hair now and he
has a private Instagram account. Ohmy god, he looks so different.
Yeah, this is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Are you looking at this

(06:19):
picture that I am like that wastaken in New Orleans? Yes, like
the bachelor party. Yeah, he'swearing like glasses and a hat. It
does not look I would never infive billion years him. No, for
sure, that's so funny wild Whyyes? Um? And then in other

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exciting news, Um, Rob ofRob has a podcast is looking for new
talent and if you are interested,definitely apply it is. Rob has a
website dot com. Let me,I'm double checking dot com slash class of
twenty twenty, so welcoming me ina new class of podcasters podcast guests where

(07:10):
you get to talk about what youwould bring to the table, what shows
you're most interested in, covering.Why do you think you would be a
good fit for RHP? What wouldyou bring that r HP is missing?
So if you have a new outlook, a new voice, we want to
hear it. So that's really exciting. Yeah, and part of that,

(07:32):
we are looking for people to comeguest on our podcast. So if you
know, if that is something youwould like to do, if you've been
listening to this podcast a while,and you really think that you could bring
something that we're not bringing. Um, because Amy and I have a pretty
similar point of view, if we'rebeing honest with everyone, it's rare we
disagree. And we are two whitewomen who live in the middle of a

(07:56):
country, I think. But it'stwo different countries. You would for countries,
but we have accent. You wouldthink you could bring something, and
you would like to talk with usabout the Bachelor sometime. We'd love to
hear from you too. Yes,it's always fun when we have people guests
with us, draft with us,whatever. So the more the merrier,

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And yeah, get on it though, because I don't know how long oh
applications do you know, later thanFriday June twenty six, so that's not
much longer. No, So thiswill probably come out on Thursday, twenty
fifth, So apply, apply anddon't don't overthink it, don't stress,
just like fill out the Google form. Yeah, we're all We're all fine,
We're chill, all right. SoBen's season. I have to say,

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I wasn't that excited to go backand revisit it. So I was,
you know, pleasantly surprised, tookind to realize all the things I
forgot about this season. I thinkI thought it was fresher in my mind
than it was. And twenty sixteen, you know, Lemonade tapping the charts?
What else? What else did Chrissay was happening? What song is
a Lemonade? Oh? Like theBeyonce album? Wow? Wow wow,

(09:03):
I do love that act. Ithink what else he said was like popular.
I black out when he talked aboutthat. Anyway, it's further way
than I thought it was because Ididn't remember all these things. And then
there are some things that we're notshown as always that I thought we would
see, some characters that we didn'tsee at all. So, um,
what's your biggest missing character? BeccaTilly? Oh? Okay, mine was

(09:24):
Leah Leah. Yeah, yeah,she was kind of a villain. Later
on, right, or was shejust a villain in Paradise. No,
she was a villain in the inthe show, I remember, and he
sent her home like she came totattle on somebody and then he just ended
up sending her home. Yeah,this one felt a little weird to me,
like kind of like Caitlin's in away, but it even felt less

(09:46):
like sequential to me, Like itlike it covered a few characters, but
it seemed to be built around thepeople that they could get to come and
talk to them. Yeah, soI would have thought, you know,
Becca is really well known in thefranchise. I know there's other Beccas,
but Becca Tilly was kind of theoriginal Becca. And I don't believe we're

(10:07):
seeing Cristel's season, So that waskind of the chance and I wouldn't think
that she would turn down an opportunityto be, you know, catch up
with Chris Harrison. So that waskind of surprising. But I guess she
wasn't a huge standout on ben season. Just kind of the fact that she
came back for a second time,and that was my surprising one. Let's

(10:30):
see who which visit were you mostexcited to see the person that we got
to catch up with Olivia. I'mreally glad that she was willing to come
talk to Chris after honestly, aftereverything the Bachelor franchise has put her through.
I don't know if this is revisionisthistory, but I feel like when

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we were podcasting, we were lookingat her character arc and being like,
she go bad, Like I feellike they're just making her seem bad.
And she did have some comments thatwe're not super kosher, but a lot
of a lot of people did,and I just I feel like I remember
asking, like, what is Oliviadoing That's that bad? Yeah, i'd

(11:18):
like to think, so I'm notsure. I'm not sure either, Like
she kind of had that wacky editto like with her mouth wide open.
I didn't show any of that,but that's what kind of inspired her podcast
title, mouthing off, and youknow when she was able to kind of
come around and laugh at herself.But yeah, it was really traumatizing for

(11:39):
her to be painted at as thisvillain. And yeah, if I'm looking
back now, I definitely think like, yeah, what did she really do?
Especially from what they showed, Butum, yeah, I don't know
if I was like a fan ofher or not. I don't think I
was a fan, but I knowI don't think we were a fan,
but we were like, she doesn'tseem that bad compared to some villains,

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right, yeah, Leo was worse. Yeah, we felt like Leo was
more nefarious than Olivia was. Andthe fact that Olivia was able to take
this experience and turn it into somethingpositive even though it was negative. This
was kind of at the beginning ofthe social media boom for the Bachelors,

(12:22):
so she was getting a lot ofa lot of negative comments that directed at
her on Twitter and you know whereverelse people comment rude things, and she
was able to just kind of takethat and be like, hey, what
about myself? Can I fix?What about myself? Is actually great and

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she's turned into a super successful podcast, and you know, some people were
not willing to come talk to her. Harrison like, look at Tara from
last week, and maybe that's maybeit's a chapter she's already closed and doesn't
feel the need to come back.But I'm glad that we heard from Olivia.
M Yeah, she has a recentpost. When I got the call
that season twenty of The Bachelor ofbe airing again, I was terrified.

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For the past four years, I'vebeen bettering and forgiving myself, improving my
mental health, and kayaking from homefrom the island. The last thing I
wanted was to regress. Having saidthat I'll never let this footage air and
not take ownership. I would hatefor that to be the last anyone season
me because I'm far from the personI was then. By doing this,
I feel so much lighter, likeI can really let go, stop hiding

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from the world and focus on what'smeant for me. You're going to fall
in your flat on your face sometimes, and that's okay. You're not defined
by your past. You can pickyourself up again, and you're not alone.
It's brave to ask for help ifyou need it, no matter what
happens tonight. I love y'all,and I'd go through all the crumb again
just to connect with all of you, embrace the growth that comes from all
lessons and experiences. Signed the girlwho has the largest mouth maybe ever so,

(13:52):
yeah, she has a great perspectiveon it. But yeah, it's
hard to see that it was youknow, affecting her that much for these
four years. That wasn't just likeyou know, right after the season was
airing or something like that. Somaybe that's what it's still happening with Tiera,
Like I would hope not, butyou know, it does affect them
to be, you know, reducedto this kind of caricature. And if

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you are personally not you Amy,but the listeners. If you were reaching
out to anybody who's been on yourTVs tell them that they suck, maybe
don't do that, rethink that,and then don't right, Maybe reach out
to the people you like and notsay some sien like yeah, exactly,

(14:39):
if you're going to say something meanto somebody you don't like, stop delete
your comment and then go to somebodyyou like and say something nice to them.
Yeah. Even Ben wanted to comeback on specifically to talk to Olivia.
He didn't come on for any ofthe others, so he was like
a surprise, like, hey,we've got Ben here. What did you
think to that segment? Do youthink he mended or do you think he

(15:01):
was being politician Ben? He's alwayspolitician Ben, So it's like, is
that it's almost like that's just him? Yeah, so I feel like he
meant it. I don't know,is he really responsible for how people felt
about her. Was it more theshow. I don't think he really trashed
her. No, I think itwas a show, and I think he

(15:24):
kind of bought into what people weresaying about her. Yeah. Yeah,
maybe changed his opinion of her onthe show, but like ultimately she wasn't
his person that season anyway. Butyeah, because he got rid of her
and brutal. I think it wasa two on one with the twin that

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lasted longer. Yeah. Yeah,and she said I love you too him
on that date when she's like competingfor a spot. And I feel like
when you're on that two on one, we always say, it's like you're
not the one, even if youget make it through. Maybe there's been
one person that's made it through atwo on one and and one. I'm
not sure. Ethan couldn't believe thatthey just left her on the island like

(16:11):
that. That's like a trope.I know. It was like, oh,
they're not just leaving her on theisland. No, Yeah, this
is why they need to show acupcake glass last time, because he would
have seen that. Every season weneed this. Yeah, that's so funny.
Yeah, they got their shot.It's like it was like a survivor
image like on Exile Island something.Oh yeah, um, yeah, I

(16:37):
was glad to see her. Iguess it makes sense that Ben would come
on, but it wasn't like itdidn't feel like they had any kind of
like personal connection or anything there.It's just kind of like, yeah,
just give her love everyone, youknow. So um. And then Chris
Harrison extended the invitation from patchor inParadise. But I think that ship has

(16:59):
sale. I think she's good.Yeah, looks like she's dating someone too,
basically on her Instagram M hmmm yeah. And she dated Derek too,
right, Derek kath Oh yeah,yeah was it Derek? It was Derek
or Adam? I think it wasDerek. It was Derek. And then
he went on Paradise right after andhe like almost he like ghosted her,

(17:22):
right, He didn't even break upwith her, He just like went like
it was something bad like that.So there might be additional trauma from the
show that's happened. Um. Butyeah, um, let's see who else
did we hear from that. Wegot a segment, well we didn't hear
from Jubilee, but we got asegment showing Ben and Jubilee and she was

(17:44):
one of our favorite Yeah, andthat that really reminded me how much I
liked her too, and it wasexcited to see her. She did mention
on her Instagram that she was askedto come talk, but she just didn't
didn't really feel the need to doit. She's kind of like moved past
that chapter in her life and goodon her. Yeah. Yeah, And

(18:06):
there was there was some chart goingaround, you know, with the Batch
diversity campaign, and I feel likethey're like the three seasons before Bens maybe
like they didn't even cast any blackwomen on the show, or they didn't
make it past like week two,and so jup was Um made it I

(18:27):
think top six, So that wassignificant at that time. I feel like
I feel like before Rachel, shehad made it farthest, so farthest out
of any black woman in a franchise, which is just truly insane. It's
so is so insane, right right, Um, and she was on Paradise,

(18:49):
which just was it once season ortwo seasons? I think just the
one, okay, but I haveno idea all those seasons are just really
just blending all together up in thisNaga and a Rooney. I know it's
like what even was that time whenParadise was airing? And like right back
he filmed? I just I don't. I don't even know what what we're

(19:11):
doing anymore. Yeah, Like,who was even the Bachelor this year?
Right? It's no, clearly itwas like the Ben clone. I generally
thought it was Bolton. I'm yeah, yeah I was. I was not

(19:37):
of them Peter seasons at lease,please please don't make me. I hope
no. I was happy that wesaw the engagement this time. Yes,
we saw Joe, Joe and Laurenat the end. That's what we need,
I think it. I think it'snice to have that regal final button

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on the season, because if youcan't recap the season, if you're not
going to show the final moments,I know that was so ridiculous last time.
Do you think they reached out toLauren Lane about appearing on the show.
I do. I think she alsosaid she was contacted but didn't have

(20:17):
any interest in talking about it.Why why did she need to If you
were if you were either Chris Laneor Ben's new girlfriend, Yeah, would
you watch this? I oh ChrisLane? Hmm, like if he has,
yeah, better things to do.If your boyfriend was the bachelor four

(20:41):
years ago and you're with him now, would you watch that stuff myself?
I would be like, no,I would not have the restraint. No,
I'm I am a obsessed. Iwould need the material to like pick
fights. Yeah, and I justI'm not I'm not particularly jealous. So
if we ever ran into We've rrun into a couple of Ethan's ex girlfriends

(21:04):
in the past, and I'm justlike always so excited, really god like,
they're real like look at that genuinelyexcited. Yeah, Yeah, that's
so funny. Yeah, I feellike, yeah, I would just want
to know. I'm always just kindof skeptical when they're like I don't watch
or I've never seen this season.Like if you're his fiance, Ben's fiance

(21:27):
and you get this, you getthis DM you know back when it happened
and you talked to her mom andthe mom, your mom says like,
oh, he was a bachelor,Like, I'm gonna like go watch the
season right then, I'm gonna watchclips online, but I'm gonna say that
I, oh, I haven't seenthis, like I don't know who you
are because that's how you play itcool, right, So I think she

(21:48):
maybe already saw some of it andit's like knows, like, Okay,
I don't want to watch it anymore, you know, like now that we're
like serious about each other, it'slike painful or I don't need to like
question it. But I don't thinkshe's never seen a clip of it,
Like come on, I know Iwould be so obsessed. I'd be like,
yes, I'm watching it. CanI call them? I love them

(22:11):
so much? I would probably belike, you're an idiot for not picking
that person? Did you see that? I can't. I think it was
like a tweet. It was like, uh, go ask your boyfriend if
he was on the Bachelor if hewould pick you, and now fight about
it. We always talked about likeno, there's not a chance in helly
ethan whatever pick me. If ifwe were on the Bachelor, did you
guys be like would you be likePeter and Kelly like you'd like come back

(22:33):
around later on? Like no,I'd be like out like night three,
Oh gosh, yeah, I wouldnot want to be put up against like
twenty four other women like oh listen, I am all personality based and almost
zero percent face based. Oh mygoss. Not true anyway, where do

(23:07):
I go from there? That makesme think of what you would have done
for your entrance. And this wasthe season where we love the mini horse,
so they at least they showed thatI'm not a horse person, but
I love a mini horse. Yeah, and I love it. I didn't
remember that. So we had that. Um, we had your namesake Hayley

(23:30):
and her twin sister, Emily.That was the first set of twins on
the show. Um, that wasalways awkward. I don't like. But
one of them he got rid ofearly earlier. I don't know the reasoning
why he picked one over the other, but it and it was like on
his hometown date, remember that.Yeah, I know that they went back

(23:52):
to his hometown as they showed thatone on one with Lauren, and I
remember Ben being really upsetsed with likehis middle school days of his first kiss
and wanting to relive those moments.Yeah. Yeah, we were like so
odd like yeah, so yeah,I think it was wise to not carry
it on with both of them laterinto the you know, as it got

(24:17):
more serious. But yeah, Ithink if it was Emily or Haley,
I didn't remember which one, butI remember also his mom really not liking
because his mom met one of them. Yeah, she was not a man,
probably because she was like freshly twentyone and was very much obviously not
on the show for love, Ialso forgot about late I forget Laces on

(24:41):
the season, and I love Ilike that we got to see what she's
up to. She's enough person whereI feel like they got a lot of
flak following the season, and maybeher season a bauchela paraday. So I
am just I love being able tosee these women be like, you know
what, I am different than thatperson, and I'm so proud of myself,
Like good on them. Yeah,And I think Lace came back on

(25:03):
It was like that one year whenthey did that after Paradise show, and
I think she came back on thattoo and was kind of talking through why
she left and how she was doingso much better. I think she had
some kind of like self help programthat she went through or something, or
maybe it was addiction. I don'tremember what it was, but she was
like doing so much better than shewas when she was on that show and

(25:25):
just wasn't in a good place thenand we were just really kind of rooting
her on and she did get engagedto Grant and they didn't ask anything about
that relationship or anything like that.But I know that didn't last either.
We aren't really bringing up Paradise.It doesn't seem like on any of these
recaps. No, do you think, well, do you think, well,
two Paradise recaps, if we likearen't able to set, that would

(25:45):
be impossible to recap. Yeah,well, I'm trying to think because if
they're doing Jojo season next Yeah,and which is kind of the logical falent,
they're doing kind of linear early itseems like for a while here.
Yeah, and Evan was on thatseason. Yeah, he was just a

(26:07):
you know, known for getting ina fight with Chad and really like most
of what we know of him isfrom Paradise. Like, I feel like
they'd have to show some of that, but I don't think they would.
I think they just catch up withhim and Carly, like they'll obviously be
on Do you think we're going totalk to Chad next week? I really
hope not. I hope not too. I don't think so either. I
think they're kind of done with himwhen he was like a few Chris Harrison

(26:30):
and all that, like, yeah, and then the last few months,
last years, nothing he does isa particularly good look for him or how
any person should be acting. SoI can't imagine that update that we'd get
would be good for the show.Yeah. I'm also just not super looking

(26:51):
forward to watching JoJo's season again becauseas much as I feel like Ben had
a great cast of women and Kateand had a really great cast of men,
Joe Joe had the worst cast ofmen of all time, so terrible,
Like Wells and I think that's it, right, I mean, I

(27:14):
like Jordan, I think that likethey make sense together. But yeah,
it was kind of like one ofthose where it's like obvious, like she
can't pick any of these guys,Like it's just gonna get so brutal.
Yeah, I don't. I genuinelydon't want to hear from anyone except maybe
Wells. So we're gonna hear fromWells and Sarah I just imagined. So
they did a Instagram live with ChrisHarrison, So I think they're like Sarah

(27:37):
was a fan of the show,Like, I don't think they have any
reason, Like they're not above it. You know, he's a the Paradise
bartender. So I had forgotten thatDerek was on Joe Joe's season, so
she got rid of him early,but you know he was recently on Paradise.
I feel like we'll hear from himand Evan, but I don't know.

(28:00):
Like there was that guy Alec likewe hated him. He was terrible.
Evan like we hated him when hewas last Joos season. Yeah,
and then there's Robbie and Luke whoare terrible and uh and Chase it was
awful. Yeah, the season it'sinsane. Are they even gonna make it

(28:21):
like um, like you know howthey try to make it like which of
the final two? Is it goingto be? Like that's the one thing
they try to keep the secret.And then when he was talking to Jojo,
he was like, well, we'renot going to talk about that because
we're doing your season next. Andthen she just like, oh, Jordan
hasn't even like you know, I'llhave to let Jordan know, or like
she said something like that, likeshe mentioned Jordan, so like gave it
away anyway if anyone didn't know.So, yeah, was it Robbie that

(28:48):
or Luke that was the final two? Robbie? I think Luke went out
at after hometowns okay, and thenChase and then Chase and then Robbie and
Jordan. Yeah. Like during theseason, I feel like I thought Luke
was okay, but then once hewas on, I always had a Luke
radar. Yeah you he was bs. Yeah, when he was on that

(29:11):
Winter Games, it's like, oh, he's horrible, and those stories that
came out about him, So yeah, that'd be interesting one. Let's see,
so we heard from Lace Joe Joe, Kayla. Kyla's the other one
that we I'd forgotten out of Kayla. I would like to like her because

(29:32):
Charlene likes her so much, andI love Charlene, but there's just I
just can't get myself there. Shehas beautiful hair, though she's a stunning
woman. I just I don't know, there's just something about Kayla that I'm
a little suspective. Okay, Yeah, I don't know. I would say,
like, I don't find her thatexciting. Yeah, maybe that's it.

(29:56):
Maybe I'm just bored. Yeah.She as drama in Paradise because Jared
ended up with her after the seasoninstead of Ashley. Yeah, that was
an interesting We didn't bring that upat all either. Got to protect the
favorites of the franchise. So yeah, the segment, I felt like it

(30:18):
was really boring, Like I didn'treally care to like find out about her
engagement or anything either. I don'tknow. I feel bad, But at
the time, like on Ben's season, I think I thought they were good
together. I agree so, Andshe was rumored to be the Bachelorette and

(30:40):
I think she filmed like her intropackage too, right, So they could
have done the dual Bachelorette again ifit didn't go so poorly before because they
were not undecided, I guess.And then this was the big storyline of
the season, was Ben saying Ilove you too, both Joe and Lauren

(31:00):
seeing it back. What are yourthoughts on how that went down? Was
it as controversial? Should it havebeen more controversial? What do you think?
I think it was reasonably controversial becauseit was kind of like an unknown
not an unknown, it was anunsaid fact that the fine the lead isn't

(31:25):
allowed to say I love you orany leading statements to their people, And
like I think we got that withCaitlyn last week where she told Sean he
was the number one that kind oftrue things off and that's why Ben saying
I love you to both people waskind of like messy, not kind of,

(31:45):
it was super messy. And theyreally do think this is kind of
what led to the breakdown of Laurenand Ben's relationship in general, because as
much as Jojo knew he said Ilove you to both, I don't think
Lauren that going in. Yeah.I think that that's ringing in about with
me too, that like, becauseJojo was really taken aback by it when

(32:08):
he said it, and like canyou say that? And she knew that
you weren't supposed to and then it'slike, okay, well then I'm obviously
the one. But then we sawthat scene where they go into the bathroom
and she's really emotional, and that'swhere he admits, like she she kind
of susses it out, like wait, so did you tell her that too?

(32:30):
Like why are you confused? SoI think Ben was kind of setting
her up to like be able tolike be prepared for the breakup, because
again, I don't think he waslike unsure till the last day. They
always say that, you know,they have to know a little before that,
like they're not going to be thatunsure. So if he was leaning

(32:51):
towards picking Lauren. Then he's goingto like maybe be honest with Jojo that
he's conflicted. It's kind of you'resaying that, like it might not be
you, but maybe should have preparedLauren before the season aired and maybe he
didn't do that or something, becauseI think I remember hearing that too,

(33:13):
that that was really hard to seeor find out about, which makes sense.
Like do we do we watch theshow Ben and Laurens show. I
think I watched one episode and likeit was it was like JoJo's women tell
all or something, and then theywent out for dinner, Like Ben agreed

(33:34):
to go out for dinner with Jojoand Jordan, and Lauren was like,
I do not want to do that. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense
too. That's ringing a bell aswell. Yeah I don't. Yeah,
it makes sense that it would bean issue and hard to get over,
and we saw that it was anissue with um Caitlin and Sean as well.

(33:58):
That's just not the best way tofind your forever person when you're supposed
to like proposed to someone right afterbreaking up with someone else. Yeah,
And I think in The Bachelor,like real life, I think honesty is
just super important. And if Iwas on the show and I was the

(34:23):
final I would want to know,like if the league did sleep with the
other contestants a fantasy suite. Idon't think for like a jealousy reason.
I think just because I'm nosy andI like I like to have all the
information to be able to make achoice. I don't know, maybe I

(34:44):
just look at that a little differentlythan some people. But I think if
if Ben were to tell me afterI accepted the ring that he also told
Jojo that he loved her, Iwould also be very uncomfortable with that.
If he told me before the ring, I feel like that's a completely different

(35:06):
ball game. Does that make sense? Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense.
And I just feel like Lauren hadto make the choice without having all
of the information, right. Yeah. And one thing that was really hard
for me to watch two was thethe breakup with Jojo when she's giving like
her speech and it was just likeshe had like accepted what Ben had done

(35:31):
and was still like, you know, you're my best friend, Like it
was just so sincere and she wasjust so in love with him at the
point at that point, and itwent on for so long, and so
it just kind of tuk me backto like those other like really heartwrenching moments
with like I feel like with Nickand Caitlin where you're just like oh my

(35:52):
gosh, like Ben and Ashley,like when they're just like JoJo's not going
to propose. But it was basicallylike that moment, like getting down on
one knee kind of thing, likeshe just like laid out all her cards
and he's like, well, Ido love you, but I love someone
else more. Just that was rough. So let's see anything else that stood

(36:20):
out to you from this season.Do you remember the swimming with the pigs?
Yeah? And I remember it comingout how sickle of them were after
Oh no, because like the pigslike pooh in the water and they probably
got water in her mouth, solike not great. Yeah, I even
heard too many great things about thatparticular traction. Yeah, it was one

(36:43):
of those things like where I rememberseeing like just one of those kind of
like viral like posts like pigs Yeah, and it's like that looks so cool,
but then like, yeah, Ihaven't seen much of that since.
And then when I sat on theshow, I was like, oh,
it's probably not as it doesn't seemI forgot who terrified them. Yeah big,

(37:05):
if you fell down in front ofa pig, they'll eat you man
hot dogs and stuff, and likeare they gonna bite your finger off?
And yeah, ist a little THEOI have hot dogs? I thought they
did. Yeah, and then theywere commenting great, oh my gosh god.

(37:28):
Was there anybody else any like weirdentrances? I don't think so.
And we talk about the unicorn Jojo. Yeah, it's like she's so hot
that when you take that off,it's like, oh, thank god,
it's this really hot girl. Yeah. She was like done with the gimmick
right away. She's like, ohyou want to keep this? Like she
was like kicking it out of thelake. Yeah. Oh. Amanda was

(37:51):
another one that I'm kind of surprisedwe didn't check in with her. Yeah,
I'm fine with that. I thinkI just seemed like someone that would
probably take the cloth they wanted it. But do they all have to make
a statement like, oh, Iwas asked just so you know? I
think so I said no, Idid not like that he broke up with

(38:16):
her after hometowns and had met herkids, And I'm sure I didn't like
it at the time that it aired. But that just doesn't seem like a
good look, Like why father meetingthe kids if you're gonna like just seems
like they're breaking up with her,and because she has the kids and you
knew about the kids, So notgreat. Yeah. You know what else
isn't great? Amanda traveling to Arizonato get her hair done. Did you

(38:39):
not hear that? No? Ohmy god. Okay, so a couple
of weeks ago when Arizona like liftedthere, um they're restrictions. Yeah,
Amanda drove to California and she madelike a whole post about it, like
me and California. Yeah, She'slike, I've been quarantining for like three

(39:00):
months straight. I haven't even leftmy house. So I just needed to
go get my hair done. Andwe just stopped along the side of the
road to pee and that's it andthen we got I got my hair done.
Oh my gosh, could you notlike to tire somebody to come to
your house or something like? Idon't, I don't know. It's that
hair by Chrissy person, who Ifeel like all of the Bash people love

(39:22):
because they just like give them completelyblown out blonde hair. Oh no.
So it's like, oh, Ihave to like get this in in Q
two because it's like part of mycontract and by underscore Chrissie. Interesting.

(39:43):
Yeah see, I like how likeI think it was a commercial I saw
with Eva Longoria where it was likeshe was given an at home kit and
she had to do it herself andit was like you could see the grays
and it was like she was makingthe commercial herself, and I was like,
that's the way to do it.Brands like don't like people at wrists,
like, don't drive to another statethat has like more relaxed rules.

(40:07):
I mean like wait, no,I just don't do it. Yeah,
I'm just letting my hair grow out. Um, you know what. This
is just what I usually do anyway, which is like get a haircut and
then commit to getting it cut ona regular schedule and then being like whoops,
I forgot. Yeah. So it'sonce I go see my hair dusser,

(40:28):
she's gonna be like typical Hailey.Yeah. And I'm lucky that to
keep my hair fresh gold and blonde. I just used the John for you
to go blonder spray and just alittle uh, a little hot air dryer,
you know. Yeah, yeah,I'm thinking like I'll have long enough
to like donate. I'll be like, she's cut twelve inches. I've always

(40:52):
wanted to donate, but I'm alwayslike, like, I can't quite make
it that far, but definitely makeit that far. Now. Hair does
not do very well when it getsreally long, So I hate my hair
long anyway. If my bun hitsthe top of my car, like if
I try and get far and Iknocked my gun off because I got in

(41:14):
the car, like it's time toget my hair cut. Yeah, that's
a good, amazing measurement there.Yeah, let's see we have some questions.
Let me pull those up for theepisode. I always love when people
are that invested to ask questions aboutseasons that aired four years ago, especially

(41:38):
since Justin is so passionate that heput the threat up for me, because
again, I am exceptionally lazy.It's just hard to remember I am.
Yeah, yeah, and I justassume none cares, No, they care,
and thank you Justin. So hisquestion is, how are you that

(42:00):
this episode completely lost glossed over LaurenH Lauren R. This season's other Lauren
B aka LB and Laura aka RedVelvet. Do you remember the existence of
any of these people. I rememberthere was a lot of Lauren's, but
I would not have been able totell you the Lauren initials that were present.

(42:22):
No, but it did stand outto me when like Ben was talking
in one of the scenes and hewas like, I love Lauren B.
And it's like, oh yeah,like she was called Lauren B for quite
a while. I don't remember.I think there was a Lauren that got
eliminated on a one on one datethat was kind of surprising. I think

(42:43):
that stood out to me. Ihave no idea who Red Velvet is.
I don't either. I can picturethe Lauren H. I think if I
were to be asked to name theinitial of one other Lauren, I would
have said H. But I couldnot like paint a picture of her face.

(43:04):
I feel like one of them showedup on Paradise too. I might
have been that one, but likereally late. This would be like one
of those like yeah trivia questions thatwere like, oh my gosh, like
we should know those about the peopleI know, and we drafted these people
and yeah, no, they didnot leave an impression. How insulted.

(43:29):
This is also from justin how insultedmust been and Lauren feel that Chris Harrison
did not declare their proposal in Jamaicashould be on the Mount Rushmore of proposals,
Well, any other couple's proposal toget that declaration in these retrospectives,
I feel like Sean and Catherine maybe, I feel like if they're together then
it'll go. Yeah. Obviously Caitlinand Seawan's didn't make it there because they

(43:52):
didn't even air it. Yeah,I think they're trying to be nice people
that didn't make it and try tolike not really emphasize it too much.
Like Chris maybe me to comment like, that's a romance right there. That's
all he said about it. Yeah, that was a real romance. Um,

(44:15):
So I guess maybe he'll say aboutJoJo's. If he doesn't say about
Joe Joe's, then I guess it'sjust Sean on Rushmore. Will Harrington,
what two celebrities would you want toaccompany you on a date? I feel
like ice Cube and Kevin Hart wouldn'tcrack my top one hundred. So I

(44:36):
feel like, if I remember correctly, in Caitlin's season, it was Amy
Schumer, and I think Nicky Glazerin Burdget Everett. Oh yeah, I
think that would be a good andI know that's three people. I feel
like that would be a good ridealong too. God, who else could
I even think of that would begood? Um? I don't know who

(44:59):
would you pick? Yeah, mymind went to Amy shoot My right away,
just because it was like we've seenher on the show and that was
funny. Um. Yeah, tryingeven a movie duo or something? Are
you even wanting anymore? I knowwho's even famous now? Even matic?
What is the celebrity? Yeah?More easily think of like Bachelor people like

(45:25):
like you know, like listen toyour Heart, where you have like the
celebrity judges, but then you alsohave the bastlor nation celebrities like And I
was just like thinking of like who'sbeen on the Bachelor. I'm like,
oh, well, like Jimmy Kimmelor like um, Mela Kunis and Ashton
Kutcher. But I don't really loveAshton Kutcher, but I do like Mila
Kunas. So if I got tooMela Kunases, I think that would be

(45:46):
good. Yeah, but like whatdo I even watch? What do I
even enjoy anymore? Enjoy? Whatcelebrities do. I like, yeah,
it's you know, blank slate nowlike Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas. I
think would be fun, be fun. I have not and will never watch
Game of Thrones though, no eithernot our thing. But I will listen

(46:10):
to the Jonas brothers absolutely. Uwill. Harry chanelso wants to know,
hypothetically, if you had a twin, would you want to compete with them
over the same person. I feellike that's super awkward and could end very
poorly. Hmmmm, like wanting tohave someone there for Moral four, but
I would not want to compete withthe sibling. Here's the he'd listen,

(46:37):
uh I have. I know,I haven't been in competition with my brother
my whole life because he is justso much better at everything than me.
Like it's like we weren't even playingin the same league. It was no
problem beating with him. But Ibut it's hard for me to like judge
it based on Healey and Emily becauseI feel like they were never on any

(46:58):
of these shows actually in love.They were just like here, like was
being there for Paradise a thing atthat point? I think it was like
it was early on but I think, yeah, that was probably like season
two, right, Like how manyseasons was the one on like three seasons?

(47:19):
I feel like they were on oneand they were good, and then
they're on another one where they likelost their mind and yelled and left,
and then one was like on byherself. I think that was Haley.
Yeah. I was really excited thatwe finally got somebody who had the name
Haley and they spelt it like mebecause it does not have to carry off,
right, Yeah, I definitely,um yeah. I think it was

(47:45):
just kind of a casting gimmick forsure, and they were meant for Paradise
and that's where they thrived more yep, um Megan Elizabeth. So I didn't
watch, but can we all agreeOlivia got a crap at it? Yeah.
I would have liked for maybe Christo be like, yeah, well

(48:07):
I we were editing for a TVshow, so um, we made you
look bad. Sorry yeah he won'the won't admit that, but that was
kind of their way, I guess, of like inviting her back. And
they really like promoted like Olivia themost on this m and we get to
hear from Olivia, so um.I don't know if people are really clamoring

(48:30):
to hear from her. But itwas nice to see her. And then
Complicard, were you surprised JoJo's brothersdidn't make an appearance. We didn't get
any like family visits, you knowSean seasons. They showed desires because that
kind of had an impact. Um, Yeah, JoJo's mom hugged wine,
which is great. Yeah, thatwas a good part too. And yeah,

(48:52):
her brother's like gril Ben, Icould have had an impact too on
his decision. Yeah, I guesswe'll see them, I would think on
her recap, I guess I haveno recollection. Yeah, that happened.
And then we always like to endby talking about Labor of Love, the

(49:13):
show we're still watching but have lessto say about each week we're done to
is it six or five? Now? I think five guys? Yeah,
now we are a fast food chain. Yeah. So, and this time
she eliminated. The one guy sheeliminated was like midway through, and then

(49:36):
when the guys that she called backto talk, she didn't eliminate. So
that was kind of an interesting twistthat I kind of liked. But Marcus
this episode, Yeah, this wasa weird episode for Marcus wasn't it.
He kind of seemed like jealous ofStore, and I feel like they were
trying to make as think like hewas just going to leave, but I

(49:58):
never really thought he was going to. Yeah, I didn't know if she
would eliminate him because it didn't seemlike there was really reason too. But
it seemed like he more fell victimto the fact that it was like an
early one on one date and thenshe had started connections with people later on.
But she really likes him. Iknow them like it's sound cute um,

(50:22):
although less cute was like him likemaking up a song and was like
trying to sing it while she wason a one on one with I can't
remember who who did she have theone on ones Trent and Kyle was Yeah,
I think it was the Kyle date. She was he was doing it
because then they started making out toYeah, so he's like, I keep

(50:45):
trying to play the song, butI didn't get a chance because they were
making out and Yeah, that waskind of weird, but seemed to be
having a hard time with her datingother people. Another person who had a
hard time time was Keith because hewas the one who did not get the
remaining one on ones, Like therewere like three guys that hadn't had one,

(51:07):
and she gave out two. Shehad two to give out, and
they went to Kyle and Trent,So he didn't didn't get one, and
that was who she ended up eliminating. She didn't like, did you think
that spelled trouble for him? Like, did you think he was out from
that moment? Not from that moment, because it seems like she's giving people

(51:28):
like not really relying on that,Like it seems like she's elimiting people based
on some other criteria, not thatlike not first impressions or not like oh
I'm choosing him first for the dateor anything, like she only has so
many dates to give out. SoI felt like, yeah, he had
a chance. But then when theyhad their one on one conversation, she

(51:49):
didn't like how he was describing thathe had what do you say, like
he is like fire or something.Yeah, so she didn't like that.
I feel I feel like what wesaw from him in the edited show was
so much more mild than I thinkwe were led to believe he would be
in the trailer and previously, Yeahyou know what I mean, Like,

(52:10):
I feel like nothing he ever didwas like that bad. Yeah, I
was like, oh okay, likeI didn't like. I feel like the
one time he yelled was when Mattwas like interjecting for no reason. Right,
Yes, he broke a wine glass. That's not great. Yeah,
I don't know. I feel likeit wasn't that bad, right, Yeah,

(52:32):
it seems weird too. Let goof him just based on that phrase.
But I guess like, if she's, you know, looking for reasons
to get rid of people, thenyeah, okay, that's a personality I've
dealt with before, and you know, I only have so much to go
on, so she already has strongerconnections with other people, which is fairy

(52:54):
if you're not looking for fire andthe guy describes himself as fire, sure,
why you got five other guys whowere i'd say not fiery personalities.
I'd say some of them are evenpretty docile looking at you, Gary,
Yeah, yeah, so was it? Gary was the other one that So

(53:14):
it was um Marcus and Gary werethe two that she had to talk to,
is that right? Yeah? Andso who were kind of front runners?
And also, wow, yeah,maybe he is Kristin Davis's mind,
he is because she seems to reallylike him. Um yeah, I guess

(53:37):
everyone is now. Like it wasjust weird because Trent was like, I
don't know what she sees in Trentreally and so it was like when she
had called back Gary and Marcus,it was like, oh no, like
am I just reading this all wrong? You know? So? Um yeah,
now, I like after the lastfew episodes, I could not see

(53:57):
what she saw in Trent. Ithought he had a pretty good episode this
time. Um. He I thinkthis was a perfect date for them or
really highlighted that he is like areally fun guy. Um, I just
don't think he's going to be theone for Christie because it doesn't seem like
he can take things super seriously.Yeah, I agree, And they kind

(54:19):
of picked the date that kind ofwent with his personality. Like a flash
mob at not the most music thing. Are we still doing flash mobs in
the year of twenty twenty? Isthat something that's gonna be canceled now?
Don't see? They should have themob like highs right now, Like no,
you don't, like, let's notlet's not gather people to dance,

(54:42):
right It's like, if you wantto gather to dance, put masks on
frohim. I want the people likecleaning up the Muse Park to actually be
sanitizing, like not just something dancing. I feel like that's what it started
with, right, it was like, oh, it's like cleaning. Yeah.
So, but I did like thetwist that she kept them both.

(55:06):
Um Gary, I thought got alittle defensive, Like I thought she should
have eliminated him based on how hewas reacting, like it seemed like you,
I don't know, he just seemedto like beyond the defensive because absolusly
he was called to talk. Butum yeah, I like that it was
a twist. I kind of yeah, I'm glad it was a twist,
And I almost thought she was goingto eliminate both of them and then we

(55:29):
were just gonna have a finale nextweek and how long is this? See?
I could never figure that out,how I mean, I guess we've
probably only been talking about it formaybe four weeks for weeks at this point,
so maybe there's only two more.Yeah, for sixth episodes kind of
makes sense. M Yeah, I'mstill enjoying it, but it doesn't seem

(55:51):
like there's that much excitement in theshow. I'm just more more like curious
who she's gonna choose. She hassome, I feel like better options we
see in The Bachelor a lot oftimes. Yeah, for sure. So
yeah, And I like her perspectiveon how she's winnowing it down and you
know, making choices like getting ridof Alan last week that you wouldn't necessarily

(56:15):
think she would do. So No, I very much like the way she's
going about it. I think she'staking it very seriously. But but for
her, that's necessary, right,Like, I just like the way she's
going about it, And I likethat Someday Sundays we eliminate two out of
the four Sundays we eliminate everyone.Some days we don't eliminate anyone, Like

(56:37):
it's I like that. Yeah,yeah, so yeah, that's what all
I have from this episode. Absolutely, any new recommendations. I have a
new one from New on Netflix thatif people are into you know, dating
reality shows, Did you ever watchit dating around? No? No?

(57:00):
Yeah, Okay. It's super short, Like the episodes are really short and
there's not many, but they hadseason one and now season two just came
out, so it's kind of fun. It's like a guy goes on a
guy or girl goes on a datewith um, I think it's five others,
but it's spliced, so they goto the same restaurant, they do
the same things on the date,and so it cuts between all the different

(57:22):
ones. So you'll see like thelead whoever is the main person talking and
then like answering a question, butthen it'll cut between like the different you
know, possibilities. So it's justkind of interesting to see how a night
plays out. I think they goon the date like five days in a
row with five different people, soit's really tiring for the lead. But

(57:45):
it's kind of cut like a movie. And so they might be like,
oh, you know, what wasyour last relationship, like, and then
the one person will answer, they'llgo back to the person and they'll go
back and then the next person answering. But it's it seems like it's the
same like conversation. I don't know, I'm not explaining really well, but
just the way they cut it isreally like interesting. And then at the

(58:05):
end you see the person walking upand just like walking up to the person
that they want to go on thedate with. Okay, I'm going to
check that out. They meet nightpark or something and you're like, oh,
where are they going to choose?Because you just see like little snippets
of the conversation. And sometimes it'slike if one goes really poorly, you'll
see that person like leaving, andthen they'll be they'll be going to like
do you want to grab drinks withsomebody else? Like four the five or

(58:29):
something, you know, but oneperson they're like, oh, it's great
dinner, you know, and thenthey send them off. So it's kind
of fun to like just kind ofeavesdrop on a on a date. I'm
gonna I'm gonna check that out.Yeah, that sounds good. Um Mine
isn't a TV recommendation, but it'sa book recommendation. I actually started it
today and finished it before dinner.It's called My Favorite Half Nightstand by Christina

(58:53):
Lauren and she they it's actually likea writing duo. They wrote a book
earlier, or that I read earlierin the year, The Honeymooners, which
I loved, um and I reallyliked this one too. It was fun.
It was kind of like a romcom, but it felt like a
little different. Um Like, thesebooks kind of vote you they and how

(59:14):
you expect. But it's about thejourney or yeah, the journey, not
the destination. I liked reading thisbook. I laughed and it was fun.
So we're just kind of like lookingfor a fun, lighthearted rom com
book. My favorite Half night Standby Christine Lauren is a fun and easy
read. Nice. That's good nowthat it's summer beach reading season. Great

(59:40):
beach read. It's perfect beach read, like my whole I prefer like books
that would be considered beach reads likethat is very much my my forte Yeah.
Rated four and half stars on Audible, so yeah, very nice.
Adding it to my own wish list. Um, awesome. So I'm also

(01:00:02):
watching if you need like a laundryfolding show or like this really trashy like,
um, I was watching something onTLC I think, and then like
it just started automatically playing single dadseeking, which um single dads um invite

(01:00:23):
someone they met online to just suddenlymove in with their family. Stop up.
It seems like a good idea.Oh my work, Like that's like
my laundry multitasking show. Oh mygosh, can't say I recommend it,
but you know, sometimes you needsomething like that as well. Sometimes my

(01:00:45):
soup guy keeps trying to get meto watch below deck men? What is
that one? Even? What isit? Um? They just like they
work on a yacht that people rentout, Like instead of renting a cottage,
you into yacht. I don't know, I don't know what that's like.
I could not afford to look ata yacht, right, and then

(01:01:07):
these people just like take care ofthe yacht and I think that's you know,
they they do things. You know, there's going to be a point
where suddenly all these shows were likethere's just no content and we're like,
Okay, what was that one thatsomebody recommended? I have to go to
that now? Yeah, I've donethe list, so all right. Well,

(01:01:30):
we will be back next week torecap Joe Joe season and yeah,
maybe the second to last episode ofLabor of Love. We'll see. We
don't do the last episode, Idon't know, but it's still going all
right, Haley. Until then?Where can people find you? You can
find me on Twitter and Instagram atStrong Underscore. You can check out my

(01:01:51):
box Strong Take statsa Um, we'retaking a hiatus this week on the Top
Chef podcast even though it's over,but we are going to start up with
some sort of new product out we'regoing to figure out. So that's exciting
and fun, very cool, allright, and you can find me on
Twitter at rhip recaper. Hi hih