Bachelor Greatest Seasons Ever Episode 4 + Labor of Love Episode 6

Amy and Haley discuss Jojo Fletcher's Bachelor Greatest Season Ever recap and Labor of Love Episode 6.

Episode Transcript

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Hey everybody, and welcome to TheBachelor Greatest Seasons Ever or a half up.
That's a little labor of love thrownin there. I'm Amy here as
always with the lovely Haley Strong Haley. Happy Canada Day or when this comes
out, thank you, thank youvery much. We are here to celebrate
our wonderful country. But Canadians keepin mind the atrocities that have been done

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to the indigenous people of Canada.Yes, what a positive note we're going
in the podcast her on m Youknow, um any do you think this
is our best season of podcasting ever? Like if someone say, is this
our best season of like Independence Day? I was gonna say, like,
I'm not even celebrating. Where're notdoing anything? Uh No, if if

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somewhere along the line, our listenersdecided to make Greatest Seasons of all time
Bachelor rehapup, do you think thiswould be included? No? No,
I don't think raither Yeah, butit's a recap of a recap what you
know, what do we have towork with? Especially when it comes to
JoJo's season again? You know,I really should have been smart and gone
back and listen to our podcast fromsee like how we felt during the season,

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but did we like it. Wehated Alex, we hated Chad.
Yeah, her guys were terrible,Like there were only like a couple to
sort of root for her, andthey weren't really who she was choosing.
So and I felt like we spenta lot of time on one of those
guys last night, which I wasfine with. M We opened the episode

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basically talking to Wells and his fianceSarah Hyland. I thought this was a
real joy of the episode, andI thought it all went downhill from here.
Yeah, I love seeing Sarah.It's funny, like they just wanted
to like, like, if we'regonna get star power, let's just put
it up front and kind of sortof rewrite as if I think they showed
everything that Wells did on the show, because yeah, he was not really

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shown that much. And I feellike, if I remember correctly, he
was sent home at the end ofthat date where he kissed her finally,
So you didn't make it to theroast ceremony that week, like he just
went home. Yeah, maybe itwas like too little, too late,
or yeah, as we saw,didn't really take those opportunities to kiss her

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when he could have even on thatdate, so yeah, that makes sense.
He didn't make it very far,So yeah, I guess they just
you know, I loved seeing Sarah, loved how she got her message in
about voting with her shirt and evenjust calling it out and that they didn't
cut it out. Yeah, goodfor them. I'm happy about that.
And they were fun, you knowwhat. I feel like I had gotten

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down on Wells in the last likesince the last time we saw him on
Paradise, and I don't know why, Like I still really like him.
There was that one season where hewas just way too over the top with
his yeah bits and stuff. Ithink like he was believing his own hype
a little too much, whereas beforehe was the underdog that emerged as like
a fan favorite and was even intoyou know, rumored like hey, could

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he be the Bachelor? You know, they didn't end up choosing anyone from
her season, so he was likeI cannady. Yeah, yeah, I
will say that I thought this episodefeatured some great partners enjoying watching the season,
if that makes sense, Like Ifeel like Sarah watched it and was

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like this is hilarious, like lL like look at you Wells and then
I sent you this video earlier todayof Jordan and Jojo watching the episode together,
and like Jordan was rooting on Wellsto kiss Jojo, and it was
just kind of like, that's yourfiance, and so like I of how
secure they were and like knowing thatthis was just a show, it was

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so long ago, none of itreally matters, Like they're all just kind
of having them fun with it,which is exactly what I want to see,
because like I felt her in Caitlin'sepisode, it was a lot of
like not that yeah, and Ben'sand Ben's yeah, it was just like,
oh no, I'm not watching that. It's like, come on,
who keeps a care anymore? Yeah, that's true. After something that,

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then I went and watched his storyand he was even like I didn't agree
with this, but he was evenlike saying like you shouldn't have let go
of Chase that early, like youshould have gone to the Fantasy suite personally.
So I love that they like watchedit together, had fun with it.
It was this first time watching Beyondlike episode two. He said,
so I think it's smart to notwatch it. Well, it's as yeah,

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we've seen that ruined some happy couplesor cause of strife. So yeah,
I like that they were having funwith it. I think maybe aside
from Sean and Catherine, like theywere watching it together, so maybe it's
you have to be with the winner. I don't know, Like I feel
like I would still want to watchit and be like, oh, well,

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like this is hilarious. Yeah,I would have liked to see Caitlin
and Jason watching it together. Shewatched it with his mom. I think,
you know, I guess everyone makestheir own decisions, but yeah,
I like that attitude of just kindof laughing at it. And even if
Caitlyn Jason, they wouldn't even hadto see the proposals, Yeah, it
would have been fine. How didyou feel about this recap overall? Did

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you think it showed the season anda good light or like what really happened?
Is there anything you remember or don'tremember or something that stood out?
You know? It felt a littlesegmented, like it just was like,
Okay, now we're gonna show Chase, Now we're gonna show Robbie, we're
gonna show a little bit of Derek, and seemed to just kind of focus
on those characters and then made Chadkind of the Olivia of this episode,

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like, except they didn't obviously callhim to talk to him, but just
sort of like and then there wasthis big character and made that the segment.
I was okay with it. Therewere I don't know, I would
have maybe liked to see Vinnie.I think it was maybe the other person
I didn't know. I feel likeyou had the impression of and he was

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a character in our recaps, soI don't even remember what my impression was.
I don't either, But was itlike trying to do Vinnie from Jersey
Shore? Basically probably yeah, butI don't know much about him. It's
just like I think I would haveliked to see have these be a little
bit more like up in the airif you were someone like Ethan who has
never seen it and was watching it, that you would follow along and not

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know that Wells was not like oneof the front runners and just kind of
like introduce a few more people andfollow a few more dates maybe and just
sort of condense it. But again, I didn't really want to see much
of Robbie or Jay, so itwas okay when that they did that,
But somebody else we saw, andI feel like having a pinion on it,

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but I really want to hear yours. In the last few years,
all of the stuff that I havecome out about Chat, especially in the
last like even six months, ofhim being extra not a great guy.
There's some abuse allegations, there's someyou know, just some really dark stuff.
Do you think we should have hada segment about him at all?

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Or do you think he's such ahuge part of the season that it would
be impossible to do a recap ofthe season without mentioning him, And like,
do you think they did it rightby like not calling him and having
Wells and Evan talk about it.Well, what struck me is it's like
they didn't handle it, And Ithink we talked about it at the time

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too, Like they didn't handle histhreats of violence right in the season itself.
Yeah, they just had a securityguard there. It almost seemed like
a punchline kind of a joke,like that Evan was telling Chris, like
I didn't remember that Evan like likea formal complaint, like he's threatening,
and then his Chad's own quotes ofwhat he was saying he was going to

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do, like cut people's limbs off, like that's not a joke anymore.
So too, I felt like theshow should have removed him at some point
in there rather than so that's kindof what stood out to me that they
were sort of like, well,he's such a good character that they're sort
of making, you know, excusefor him. Yeah. I think as

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soon as he put his hands onEvin, he should have been out there
in a second. His rets wereawful. He kept doing it. He
said so many like how many strikesto that guy? Get? Yeah,
I think you're absolutely right. Heshould have been kicked off the season.
He shouldn't have been mom Bachelor inParadise, he shouldn't have been cast on
Next on the Beach. And it'sjust like, get these trash men off

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TV, Like then are showing youtheir trash, So why are you do
you keep trying to get trash back? Yeah, proved time and time again
that they're trash. Like as muchas we don't like Robbie and didn't really
have any interest in to him,it's not like he was like genuinely abusive
and threatening and you know, pointedout disabilities of other castmates and all that

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other stuff. Right, Uh,Yeah, you're absolutely right. He should
have not have like he should havebeen gone. He should have been gone.
M Yeah, So from that sideof things, it's like, it's
interesting that they would show it.But I just feel like because he was
this huge character in the season thatthey it would have been weird if they
they would have had to address himin somewhat. Even if they didn't show

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his scenes, they could, theywould have had to think, make some
statement. But why he wasn't includedas like, you know, we reviewed
this and don't want to promote thatkind of thing. Yeah, so yeah,
that's interesting. Um, it wasn'tfun to rewatch, but it did
remind me of like, oh yeah, this was just like every episode until

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he was eliminated, and it remindedme that I guess he went sooner than
I thought. I thought he madeit a little further along. Um,
usually there's only one two on onedate in a season, and this one
had at least two because they showedDerek getting eliminated on a two on one
as well. And then I didn'tremember that Alex stayed around. I thought

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he was not an enjoyable character,but he was so awful. Yeah,
not as bad as Chad obviously.Now knowing right, it's so brutal.
God, we hated I know,we hated watching him, that's for damn
sure. And I wonder like ifhe The one smart thing he did was
he brought up to Jojo that Chadwas threatening Jordan, and that's when her

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ears worked out. She was like, wait, Jordan, so true,
that is so true. It wasso clear, And I think that's why,
like one of the reasons I wasn'tsuper excited about watching this season again.
Um was just so clear from thebeginning that it was Jordan. I
think we called it right from thebeginning that it was like, yeah,

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I think like she's the most interestin this guy. It's pretty obvious,
and I just never really got anyless obvious, right, right, and
then the only one that like,I just didn't see anything in Chase or
Robbie that Yeah. So then onceyou eliminated Luke, I was like,
he was the only one. Iwas like, well, maybe, you
know, they seem to have alittle bit of stronger connection. So when

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he went out fourth, it waslike, Okay, it's just yeah,
a little too obvious. So yeah, how did you feel about Chris asking
him to come to Paradise? Sothis happened. He did that with Olivia,
which I don't think she would accept, but Luke, I guess do

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they just kind of not take intoaccount what Reality Steve reports, Like they
kind of ignore Reality Steve about thatwhole like going on the Bachelor, telling
people is gonna be on the Bachelorand to like didn't he tell somebody to
like apply for the show or justthat he was going to go on and
like wait for him kind of thing. Yeah, something weird like that for

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sure, And then he was reallybad too. Is that Stasi was her
name? Yes? Yes, onYour Games? Yeah, so this I
felt like they were just trying tolike go with what he was on JoJo's
season, nor any that he's beenon any other part of bastur Nation.
And yeah, like they're trying tolike bring him back into the fold or

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something. I didn't think they wouldcall him. I have no interest in
seeing him ever. Again, Iwas mad to see him last night,
right me too? Yeah, SoI guess is he like the least lesser
of the evils with Robbie and Chase, or just that he hasn't done like
competitive like shows that are not likeoutside batstour Nation I don't. I don't

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know. That's a good that's agood point because usually they try to talk
to the runner up if they can. Yeah, yeah, it was interesting.
I wasn't. That was the onethat I didn't think they talked to
the other ones. I predicted umthat we can Evan segments. It kind
of brought in well e U Derek. I thought they'd bring in, but

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they really didn't, Like they didn'tget any update from him. It was
like, hey, Derek, soyou cried Okay, bye, Like they
didn't say, like, are youdating anyone didn't refer to it. Seems
like they're just kind of ignoring paradiseaside from asking people to be honest.
Yeah, Ethan was upset we didn'tsee more of him. He loves Derek.

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But he did fast forward through likethe forty minutes he knew him from
BP. Yes, okay, Yeah, he couldn't watch the the singing of
Don't Cry for Me Argentina while Derekwas crying for Argentina. We had to
fast forward through that. Yeah.I tried to, like, I tried
to let it play and he's like, no, no, we're not doing

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this. I would be interested tosee, like how compare that to like
how he reacted to like leaving Paradise, Because like, looking back on it,
I was like, Okay, he'sis he that emotional or is he
playing playing it up a little bit? Because they know, like if you're
really heartbroken, you'd be the bachelorlike like doing the whole like Ben Higgins,

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like I'm imperfect. And it seemeda little bit like over the top.
But you know, I think Iwas hearing something that like they were
all shocked that Derek got eliminated overChase. So yeah, I guess Chase
making it the top three was notwhat anyone predicted. But I don't really

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remember much of Jojo and Derek together, so and I don't feel like we
saw a lot of it. Yeah, I don't remember much of it either.
I feel like I just kind oflocked out this whole season. Yeah,
Like I think Derek, we justknew him from Paradise, like his
two seasons on Paradise is how Yeah, but I do believe he is in
a relationship now. But they're sointeresting but based on Instagram. Um,

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And then we had a Tyler csegment. I loved when Chris was like,
will maybe matchings will show up,yet they had already previewed that he
was going to show up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, what did you
think of that segment? I'm gladwe talked to Matt. I think it
was a good thing for those whokind of aren't in in the Bachelor's sphere

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as much to kind of get toknow him. Um. I suppose there's
some people that missed announcement if theyweren't online. Yeah about the Bachelor,
I'm getting them more hyped about thisseason, and I hope they treat it
right. Yeah, yeah, samehere. Um. I thought it was
interesting they didn't bring up anything aboutlike Tyler's mom had passed since um he

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was on the show, you know, like kind of more like catching up
and sending like giving condolences. Butmaybe they go through like this. I
think with any kind of appearance,you go through like these are the talking
points that are okay, these arethe ones that aren't okay. So that
could have been something that he didn'twant brought up. Um. Let's see.
We also saw one thing I definitelyhad blocked out was the angergasm date

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that they showed with Chase. Ohwhat a nightmare. I'm mad I had
to relive it to live it thefirst time, and I'm mad I had
to relive it. I had alsoforgotten poking the belly button that was your
fellow Canadian Daniel. The season sucks. Yeah, they weren't really like great

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options here. One thing too,that stood out, and I think that
made it kind of obvious to usabout who was like number one is I
noticed that, like when the guyswould say like, I'm falling in love
with you Joe, Joe's reaction wouldbe like, thank you. I appreciate
that. It just seemed like reallyclear that I think she had a stronger

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reaction when Jordan's said it, likethat makes me so happy. So how
brutal was it? And I trulyforgot this and I wish I'd continued to
forget this. How brutal was itwhen Chase like, yes, I talk
about his parents divorce and how toughit was, and showing like that scene
with his sister being like, yeah, we just like we don't know how

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to love because you know, ourlove has always been a disappointment to us.
And then oh and then he reallylike breaks out of a shell and
it's like I love you Jojo,like I see us together and she's like,
I just don't feel the same andyou're gonna have to go now,
right, I already in the fantasy. So at that point too, I
feel like, yeah, yeah,that was bad, But I also hated

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his reaction, like this is likepulling my pants down and getting kicked in
the nuts, and like I didn'teven get the fantasy sweet or I was
already in the fantasy. It justseemed like he was like, yeah,
that he didn't get it in.Yeah, but is this the moment we
can look back to, like whereChase Like, I mean, you've watched

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him more on other shows, right, have you seen him he turned into
and turned into the douche bang?Yeah, Like that's the origin start,
like he was working towards like Ican love and then this like we liked
Chase, Yeah, I think hewas like to me, I was just
he was boring. But it wasn'tlike I really didn't like Luke. I
didn't like Robbie and we knew Jordanwas gonna win, So I think I

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just kind of did like Chase.Yeah. I think I liked Luke more
than you did, and you probablylike I hated Luke. Yeah, around
the right side there. Uh yeah, that was I had totally forgotten that
too. Um. And then wehad to see the whole like Robbie segment.

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That was not I was not afan, No, yeah it was.
It was a little uncomfy. Youknow, she should have stopped him
way sooner. Yeah, I agree. And then I think she went a
little overboard with like I woke upand I wanted it to be you.
It's just like, I think shecan't handle it. She didn't, like
she just can't handle like making peoplefeel bad because she would get really emotional.

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So yeah, that was a littlerough. But we could see Rabbie
back in Paradise too, so youknow, I don't think he was ever
even considered to be the Bachelor.And then we have the Jordan segment.
Cute proposal, anything that stood outto you with the he I kind of

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I think I just forgot how intoher he was too. So I really
did like that. Um, Ithought it was a cute proposal. I
liked him, Like when they didthe interview, he was like, oh
my god, like I couldn't believeit, Like I thought it was gonna
Yeah, she agreed to me,being like, oh, Hey, I'm
okay, and he was like,oh, like that's it for me.
So I did like at that moment, I thought he was really charismatic m

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on his uh but you know ourvisit with him, Yeah, and I
thought he did really well when theyshowed a clip of him when they were
on a date and he was saying, you know that he loved her,
and she's like, well, that'swhat Ben said. And it seemed like
kind of like a producer fred youknow, storyline in a way, but
just the way he reassured her aboutlike now I can see a face like

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when I think about like my future. It seemed a little more than what
other people said. So I likethat, how do you feel about,
Hey, we've got a surprise foryou and they give them a cake.
Whereas Caitlin got Dancing with the Starsspot, I thought it was weird and
um, a little rough. Um. And then next week we are going

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to get season one of both Bachelorand Bachelorette together. I am so excited
about that. Yeah. I watchedTristus season what year did it come out?
In early two thousands? Yes,Tristos our season Bachelor, because I

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had two Bachelor seasons than her season. Um, she was on the first
season of The Bachelor. I cool. So that's good. So that makes
sense that they're combining that because Ithink, yeah, do you think they'll
ask Alex Michelle. I don't thinkthey even like know where he is,
like, so maybe I would think, Um, so they were married in

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two thousand and three, so youknow even then I was so I probably
watched the season when I was elevenand I haven't seen it since. Yeah,
I didn't ever. I didn't everwatch the first season The Bachelor though,
so I'm really excited about that.Yeah, I have a feeling they'll
be like lighter on that one,just because I don't know if they'll get
Alex Michelle and I feel kind oflike joke about him, But because Tristau

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is on there, it would makesense to show her and then lead into
like with Tristis season, I'm sureyou can get more people like Bob Guinea
and you know obviously Tri stun Ryan. Maybe they'll get her runner up,
which at the time was really editedto be like the winner. So I
also think, yeah, um,I also think those episodes were shorter,
were they not? And like Ithink the were they two hours stuff.

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No, I don't think. Yeah. And then I also think there was
like maybe like six or seven episodes. Yeah, probably, So I think
it makes sense for them to reallycombine it because they're probably just not having
as much content, right, andit's just not gonna look like how it
looks now, so it's not gonnabe so flashy, so they're going to
have to really you know, I'min just to see that. But they
probably are like, oh, wegotta make this like look a little more

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dynamic or something. So yeah,that should be interesting. Yeah. So
on Wikipedia says that the season airJanuary eighth to February nineteenth, so that's
only like, oh wow, sothey didn't have like the big travel or
anything. Yeah, so that'll beinteresting. Um so before we get into

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questions, not a ton of Bachelornews, so it wasn't didn't make sense
to lead off with it. Butm Becca Martina's she had her baby but
didn't have a name. His nameis Franklin James. Oh that is cute.
That's cute. So she has RuthieRay and then she said he was
Frankie j So that is very cute. Yeah. Yeah, and then um,

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Britt Nielsen I don't know her newni last name, but she had
her baby girl and his name isNoah and oa. Oh that's really cute
too. Yeah, so that's cute. And then there's rumors going around that
Claire season is like there's a planin place. There's a location in place,
I believe in Palm Springs, um, like a resort, and that

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maybe like in a week or so, it's going to start filming. Wow,
in a week or so, Yeah, that's interesting or so so are
they gonna like quarantine everyone for twoweeks? Yeah maybe maybe that's when the
guys are arriving. Um, butyeah, apparently that I heard only a
week that they were going to quarantineand it's outside of La County so there's

(24:22):
fewer restrictions. So yeah, Um, it's just rumors at this point.
I think I just listen to whatreality Steve had and that's I think what
he said. If you want tofind out, like, I don't think
he has any I guess he mightrelease like new cast members that he has.

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You know, we already know likethe original cast members and there's been
changes, so um, if youconsider casting spoilers, then don't go there.
But this would be interesting because Idon't think he'll be able to get
the same kind of spoilers that hewould unless he has someone really inside,
you know, because yeah, becauseyeah, there's mean no like people on
planes with them or on at thedates taking pictures, So it'd be interesting.

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I feel like, now we're goingto get a really private concert.
Oh yeah, a zoom concert.Oh yeah. Oh that's the other news
story. I was going around.Chase right, had a concert. He's
just moving forward. Yeah. Ijust had a concert, and like five
thousand people were like, yes,that's a great idea. Yeah, going

(25:30):
to a concert singing, you know, not projecting any kind of like anything
to anyone. Yeah. Yeah,stay in your bubbles, my friends,
um or else, it'll all takeus longer. And you know that.
I think we all know that.Yeah, all right, so we have
some questions. Um email This isfrom Andy says, enjoying your combo pod

(25:56):
of Bachelor, Best Of and Laborof Love. In case you weren't aware
of HBO, Matt has a bunchof older seasons of Bachette Canada, UK,
Australia, New Zealand available. I'msuper stoked it'll be first time watching
those Oh my gosh, I didnot know that. I just got h
did you really? Yeah? AndI'm really into like seeing other countries.
Yeah, because I don't know ifyou ever watched the Canadian one? Did

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you one of them? We like? But I don't think I saw the
full season? Yeah? Um yeah, I don't. Hopefully HBO Max is
available in Canada. Like those ofyou who have seen, like which one
you recommend? Like if you're onlygoing to pick one UK, like,
which which season of each of thoseyou'd recommend? Starting with the Skippy?

(26:42):
I really I'd really like to watchthe latest season of a bachelort in New
Zealands. I think that's the oneLily's on. Oh yeah, she does
it like she's a double bachelorette orwhatever. I would like no spoithers on
those. So except there was onewhere like two women ended up together.

(27:03):
Yeah, but I don't know ifthat was the lead or not. And
then one of those women ended upon Bachelor Winter Games if I remember correctly.
Interesting, I think, yeah,I don't think that was any of
these countries, so right, Um. Kristin mckinness says, was this easier
to watch over an evening? Ithink so? Instead of splitting it up.

(27:26):
Yeah, yeah, instead of likewatching the whole season, I guess.
Yeah, definitely definitely watching for sure. Um Felipe Shamone. Remember when
we didn't like Evans? Yeah,brought that back. Yeah. It made
me be like, why did welike it? I think we got tricked

(27:48):
into um tolerating him eventually. Yeah, and I feel like they didn't show
how annoying he was on this season, right, No, they didn't.
They are kind of nice to him, Melina lack Genie's did you watch Jordan's
Instagram story of them watching and ifso, what are your thoughts. I
enjoyed it a lot. Might havemade me inhale some coffee this morning when

(28:11):
I watched. Yeah, I'm hopingthat like the rest of them are up
on YouTube or something so I canwatch all of them, But I they
I haven't followed them in a while, so I kind of just like forgot,
not forgot about them, but forgotI liked them, and that reminded
me that they are pretty fun.Christine Nick did Wells and Evans seem that

(28:34):
that teeny tiny when this season firstdid I totally forgot about the Wells in
the fires too, Yeah, ohboy, that he looked so pale,
and that would absolutely be me onany of those who so tiny compared to
those guys. Yeah, and thenI think Alex stood out too as being
like shorter than the other guys,which they don't usually have someone shorter.

(28:57):
They don't usually have like pretty skinnyguys. But yeah, yeah, Justin
Feinberg, Chris Harrison quote, Jojohad one of the sweetest, most captivation
captivating seasons of all time? Didshe though? Did she are those words
you would use to describe JoJo's season? No, but those are words I'd

(29:18):
use probably to describe Jojo herself.So I think that's where Chris Harrison gets
confused. Is that, like,Jojo is fun and wonderful, Yeah,
even though her season was not funand wonderful at all. And then Justin
Feinberg, is James s still aBachelor's super fan? And then any thoughts
on James James Taylor's tantrum about Knockgetting enough airtime last night and effectively quitting

(29:45):
fascination. Okay, I gotta seewhat this is about. That's true.
I mean, he he was anotherone that they didn't show, but I
didn't miss that they were, Yeah, I will. I'll read his tweet.
Okay, I'm not telling you whathis handle is because I don't if
he deserves a follow been real BachelorNation at flis MYSTRN crew hate me because
I openly support our president. Dude, they cut me out tonight. The

(30:07):
franchise has done a lot for methough, so thanks onto politics slash music.
You'll never hear from me in thisworld again. God bless Bachelor got
um. So, James, Ifeel like the reason you weren't really in
the episode last night was because youwere so irrelevant to the whole season,

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right, I mean that's happened toa lot of the guys on these recaps.
Yeah, like Vinnie, we literallydidn't even see that dude, right,
I've got he was on this season, and you're right, I loved
him that season. To make twofor my impressions us like I saw a
lot of James, I felt likeI felt like I saw more than necessary.

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Yeah, I mean they can't haveeverybody featured, and yeah, he's
not gonna be missed, so likewho none cares go away? Yeah,
and then I had forgotten about thesuperfan too, like he on what they
showed the little they showed of him. He seemed more normal than I think
we thought he was back then.So, um, do you remember the

(31:14):
guy? We saw him last nightbut now I can't remember his name.
He kind of looked like a likean older brother Rob Sastrenino. Oh yeah,
I don't know who it was.But was he on the fire fighting
Date? Yeah? They showed likeone little clip of him, and when
he wasn't in like date paraphernalia,he was in like um plaid. Yeah,

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totally, all right, is thisthe same guy? Because I don't
think that's him. No, tryingto find anything on this guy, but
m yeah, somebody with his nameas an obituary, so I hope that's
not him. Though he was aninety three year old, so yeah.

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Yeah, everything is still from likeback then. So yeah, all right.
Well we also watched Labor of Love. I think six we are.
Um, this is probably the sleepiestshow on television, but I don't hate
it still. I know I'm stilllike weirdly invested. Yeah me too,

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Like I'm finding it very boring,but I think it's just because Christie is
like so smart and normal and likereally knows what she wants. So she's
just like not investing time in bs. Yeah, which is fine, indifferent,
but it's just like, wow,I can't believe I love this still.
Yeah, so they do like theclassic like nineties sitcom thing where they

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get babies to take care of andthey're woken up in the middle of the
night and what do you think aboutthis? I definitely thought this was coming.
I kind of was surprised, howlike surprised. Christy was almost like
she's like, oh, I haveto do this too? Cool cool,
cool cool, And then having toclean the whole house. I was like,
oh, that is interesting, AndI thought it was kind of funny

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that the guys who actually clean thehouse had like lower scores. Right,
Trent doing a cartwheel and the babyand baby he weren't made me laugh.
I'm sorry, I'm not ready tobe a pair. But it's kind of
like what Gary said, but youshouldn't say to her, it's just like,
right, listen, it's like adoll. Like it's a doll,

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Like how serious are we taking this? Like obviously if it was a real
child, it would be different.Like you saw me on the baby day,
like on the kid's birthday party day, like I think you know that
I wouldn't just leave a baby onthe bed to shower. Yeah. I
think Gary like he just doesn't deliverlike things a well, so like he

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he should have laughed it off more. And I think his delivery it's like
makes it seem like, oh,I'm not into you because of them,
Yeah the way I'm saying this,But and I don't know how much they
thought they were going to get judgedor but Christian Davis really came in on
Gary for leaving the baby on thebed while he went to the Yeah,
she was not happy about that.So, yeah, they show all their

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scores and this caused kind of aMarcus and Trent to like be jealous of
Kyle because he didn't clean and hewas the top score because he was like
really focused on taking care of thebaby. And so they decided it's a
good idea to go talk to Christieabout like how Kyle is not like a

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team player wearing frat boy outfits.Yeah, um, what did you think
of this? Just not a goodmove, Like what are you doing?
Marcus? Like I could see Trentdoing it because it seems like he's not
a front runner at that point.So it's like, Okay, what can
I do? But at the stage, it's like she already feels how she
feels, so it just looks badon you. It's that the rule we

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always come up with, don't focusyour time on talking about other people.
Maybe just go there and say,like, you know, I'm I feel
really bad that my score was low. I you know, I learned that
you can't. You have to balanceit better and I won't clean that much,
or you know, like I shouldhave like focused more on this and
it was a good lesson, oryou know, say something about that,
yea, to sort of defend themselvesrather than This was a really rough episode

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for Marcus. Oh yeah, yeah, I thought he did not come off
super well. What was I tryingto do with the like what he was
saying to Kyle, It didn't reallymake sense to me. I don't really
understand he. I thought it wasthis genius move, but he was basically
lying to Kyle about how like Christiewasn't opening up to him or something or

(35:50):
not vulnerable. Yeah, I didn'treally get that. I don't know.
I think I missed that. LikeI heard him say that, but I
think I missed that. It washim trying to mess with Kyle, because
then like obviously Kyle's going to saysomething, be like what's going on?
And even if Marcus is like,well, I'm just trying to fuck with
Kyle, then She's gonna be like, well, why are you trying to

(36:12):
fuck with them? Yeah? Sorry, I just put the effort a lot
on her podcast. I've been tryingto be better about that lately. Yeah,
I'm sorry. No kids are listeningto the Labor of Love podcast.
At the end of the Jojo andJordan recap, everyone just dropped off.
It's literally just you and me talkingfor no reason at this point. Yeah,
maybe there's a couple of Marcus standsout there. Yeah maybe, Like

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Marcus's mom is listening. We'll meether next week on the Hometown Hometown dates,
so you know, they switch itup. It's only the top three
get hometown, It's not like fourat the best. So the totally different
show. And um, it wasinteresting too how they did this where it
was like they didn't really have realdates. It didn't seem like it was

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more just like they were at thehouse. Like many dates, there was
that like obstacle of course with Trentor like heading kittens with Marcus, but
they were just outside and at herhouse. They didn't really go anywhere.
All they did Stuart, they wentlike rock climbing, right Otherwise they're just

(37:17):
kind of like things at the house. I definitely would want to do the
kitten date. Yeah, that wasa good one. If only they had
access to their phones. Who arelike that would be perfect for Instagram,
just like a maid for that.And she, you know, picks who's
safe, who she has talked to, and the only one who was safe
was Stuart. Then she calls otherguys to talk to them. Kyle is

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safe right away, and then it'sGary, Trent, and Marcus that are
nervous, and it's Gary and Trentget eliminated. I felt bad for Trent
at this point, where he waslike, well, last time you talked
to me, you know, youweren't this positive and I stayed and now
you're being like so nice to me, so he called it. Trent really
grew on me, Yeah, forsure. And then Marcus, she was

(38:05):
like, I'm worried that you're beingtoo competitive and he said something like I'm
not competitive at all, and shejust like did not take that like seriously
at all. I think she knowsthat he's been on like other reality shows
too, so it's like, okay, you obviously want to win as well.
So she was trying to make surethat he is there for her.
What do you think, yes,can he come back from this? Yeah?

(38:28):
I think so, because she's shesaid it before and she said it
again tonight. Is that like Marcusis her front runner? Like Marcus has
been her front runner? Do youthink Stuart's going to come in and like
like you know, cut in onthat. I don't think Kyle. I
don't think it's gonna be Kyle.I think it's between Marcus or Stewart for
sure. I think she's like mostattracted to Kyle, but she was really

(38:49):
attracted to Alan, and I don'tknow if like she would go is it
Kyle attractor versy just very tall?Oh the angel question? Yeah, think
he's I think he's attractive, he'scute. Yeah, But yeah, so
that's I think when I'm rooting for, like I kind of I wanted to
root for Marcus. Yeah. Yeah, he's been looking for love on these

(39:15):
shows, and I think I thinkSteorge just kind of had his eye on
the prize and like knows what he'shere for and isn't looking at it like
a competition. Yeah, and Ithink she's so probably rich. Yeah,
he's a CEO, so you know, Marcus may be a doctor, but
you know these other guys have theysuffer as well. So yeah, do

(39:36):
you think is next week going tobe the last episode or do they go
down to two? I feel likeI feel like we're gonna have two more
episodes. Okay, yeah, stretchit out. I would like that.
So maybe they'll do kind of likewhat does meet the families? Then the
next one would be like the finaltwo and meet her family or something or
have like romantic overnight dates somewhere.Yeah. So yeah, that is that,

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doing. Um, we took aweek off from like the Top Chef podcast.
In this weekend, we're going todo kind of like a postseason wrap
up, just kind of talk aboutWow, what we're going to continue to
do with that platform and we're excitedabout that. Um N, you know,

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