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April 20, 2022 54 mins
In this week’s episode, Medium Kareen brings back Sarah Hall to discuss the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia. They compare their experiences learning about the invasion and offer explanations as to why the war is happening on the spiritual plane; Sarah explains how people are being collectively forced to face their shadows and unite together in the face of fear-based control. If people work through their personal issues, they can help contribute to a more evolved collective mind. Kareen asks Sarah how listeners can work through feelings of fear and Sarah offers advice and certain angels to pray to. They also discuss residual karma from World War II, law of attraction pet peeves, and the spiritual psychology of past dictators. Sarah can be found on her website, Instagram, and YouTube channel linked below.

Sarah Hall

Website: ascensionwithsarah.com
YouTube: Sarah Hall
Instagram: @sarahhall444

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Hi everyone. I'm so excited.Sarah Hall is here again. Hi Sarah,
Hi, good to be back.Yeah, I'm so excited. So
we both decided it would be verybeneficial for everyone if we discussed what's going
on in Ukraine and in Russia.Are you ready for this? Oh?
Yeah, definitely ready. So whatI mean I have I don't really know

(00:34):
what's going I mean, I knowthere's a war going on, but I
can't watch the news. I'm suchan EmPATH, like I don't sleep at
night and it just doesn't do meany good. So are you the same
way or have you turned off allsocial media? I am pretty much the
same way to where I for themost part need to take a big step
back and unplug because I too aman EmPATH. I pick up on everything,

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but interestingly with this particular issue.So back at the end of February,
it was like around February twenty fourth, I think, when you know
that the official attack or the invasionof Ukraine occurred. So I was sleeping
and in the middle of the nightit was like maybe four or five in
the morning. I hurt and Ifelt hurt and felt this pressure floating above

(01:26):
my bed and the sound was likea very muted, quiet, muffled explosion
sound like maybe like what I wouldimagine bombs or gunfire would sound like.
I've never heard those in reality,but it's that's what it sounded like.
Um. I got up, Ikind of like walked around, got to

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drink of water, came back intomy bedroom, and the same cloud of
sound and pressure was still above mybed. I went back to sleep,
saying, I mean my sleep,I'm not going to pay attention to this
turnound, but I could feel myselfprocessing something incredibly heavy. Couldn't sleep too
much, and I actually ended upwaking up by five am, and I

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thought, you know what, Ithink something has happened. Because of course
we've been hearing little things in thenews, you know since even before twenty
twenty two, you know, backin November something that there were conflicts and
that kind of thing. So it'slike, you know what, I think
maybe something finally happened. Maybe Ishould check the news. So this was
like the one occasion where it's likeI'm going to actually seek out the news
and find out what's happening. AndI'm scrolling on my phone at like five

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am, you know, just GoogleUkraine, and the news had already started
pouring in because with the time difference, of course, it's a little bit
later over in Europe, and therewas all this news coming in about the
fact that, you know, theinvasion had occurred. And the same thing
happened the second night where I gotjust this big pressure, and this time

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the pressure was accompanied by what feltlike the sounds and the feelings mixed together
of people that were mourning and grievingand in a state of fear. But
it was quiet. It almost feltlike it was like, I don't feel
like I'm personally processing this to theextent that I know I can process human
fear or human sadness. It's likea feeling that I'm wearing like a cloak

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right now, and it feels reallyheavy. It feels like it's being added
into my larger energy field, tothe outer rims of my energy field,
if that makes sense. So thatwas the one time that I was like,
Okay, I'm going to find out, like you know, exactly what's
happening in the news and see what'sgoing on in the world. And I
got the message. I tuned andI asked, Okay, what's up with

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this angels, And why am Ifeeling this? Why am I tuning into
this? You know, obviously maybeit's just because it's happening, but why
why am I feeling it in thisway? What is the usefulness or the
lesson or the message behind this?And the message that I got is that
this is happening to everyone. You'rejust noticing it because you're you know,
you're sensitive. And anytime there isa conflict or a war or something like

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this that occurs, we all carryit within our own energy field. Where
there is war or division or hatredor hunger or suffering anywhere in the world,
that also in a way exists withinus. And this was like something
kind of being added in to whatwe're all collectively processing, something surfacing that

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we're all collectively processing. So longstory short, Yes, I'm very sensitive
to this stuff too. Yeah,it's so funny because I had a very
intense dream about it, Like Iwas in Ukraine and there was bombs going
off and I literally felt like Iwas going to die. And after that

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I stopped watching the news because I'mlike, is this being provoked? But
the same I got the same messagethat we all collectively are being affected and
the outcome isn't determined yet because collectivelywe decide like are we going to allow
fear and whatever to control us?Or are we going to stand up for
our rights? And is there goingto be a huge change take place?

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We don't know yet. And Ithink that a lot of people, especially
like psychics, people who get psychicreadings, think that everything's predetermined and it's
not. So I've like, Istopped watching the news. I'm like,
Okay, I need a break fromthis because it's like emotionally way too much
for me. But I've been sendinglove and meditating and braying that somehow,

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some way they will find peace.Do you pick up on things intuitively,
like like future outcomes? Oh mygosh, I got the exact same messages
you did. That they're you know, and being very human, you know.
I of course our mind immediately fliesto, well, what's the what's
the outcome going to be? Whenis this all going to be fixed?
How do we you know, makeit, you know, be over?

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What's the predetermined outcome? Like mymind went there and I was like asking,
intuitively, spirit angels, what's happening? The same exact message, It's
not determined you guys are this isa lesson that you collectively as a human
race, have manifested together, andyou're all working on this together. You

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know, you created this lesson foryourselves. You created the situation for yourselves.
You're working on it. It's yourfree will decisions and the action steps
of all people coming together that's goingto determine exactly, you know, all
the details of how things go.I love that. I feel like we
should talk about the lesson because Ifeel like that's the important part. So
I feel like in the past whenthere has been war, the common theme

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for like people's reaction is to beavoidant. Not my problem. I don't
live over there, And I feellike maybe that's why you and I and
so many other people are being affectedso much emotionally, because they don't want
that avoidance to be what we chooseto respond with. So do you feel
the same, Oh, my gosh, I feel the exact same way.

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And this is so interesting because oneof the messages that I received when I
was tuning into this whole situation isthat basically we are right now in the
middle of a several years long shiftthat is occurring at a social, global,
social level of being, and thatsocial shift is being caused by consciousness

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shifts, which we could even callspiritual shifts. And right now, basically
throughout this several year cycle, we'rebeing asked to face our darkness, to
face our shadow, to face whatit is that isn't working, so that
we can bring it to surface andwork on it, make new decisions and
hopefully build a new society or anew world based on what we discover and
choose. And the coping mechanism ofbypassing things, of stuffing things down,

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of denial is harder than ever inthe current collect active energy that we're in.
So you're right, normally people,it's like, oh my gosh,
I can't look at that. That'sso ugly. I'm just going to stuff
it down and ignore that it's existing, or ignore that it's happening and go
about my life and try not toyou know, to be to be part
of what's happening right now. Butthis is getting to a heated point where

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it's almost like unavoidable. Is thefeels that I'm getting to have to face
stuff right now? I completely agree, and I feel like it's collectively but
also independently in our own lives,we're having to deal with the shadows.
So seb awammy over here, haveyou been having to deal with like your
own personal shadows issues surf saying oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes,

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I've noticed that in my life.I've noticed that with everyone I attract
that I work with, that justcollectively right now, because really, if
we think about it, big socialcollective changes are based on individual personal changes.
So we're all being to make thosepersonal changes within first, because a

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collective revolution or change and consciousness can'toccur unless it's time has really come because
we've done the work inside at thatpersonal level, because our minds and our
hearts are actually aligned with and readyfor it. So yeah, absolutely,
yes, I agree with that.It's like that saying how do you change

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the world? Become the best versionof yourself? That's how Yeah, yeah,
that's so beautiful, And that's Ithink something that we can even talk
about doing too, because I knowthat a lot of us feel really powerless
when we think about other people suffering, you know, around the world,
and you know, while yes,there are some actions that we can take

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that can directly help people. Wecan donate money, we can you know,
contribute in ways that are kind ofsmall like that. But we mustn't
ever discount that holding a conscious ofhope, holding the flame of hope in
your heart, it makes a hugedifference because for all the people that are

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outside of hope right now, thatare not being warmed by its fires right
now, if you are like theInn with the shining little candle of hope,
the beacon of hope shining from yourwindows, then the people that are
lost in the dark and the stormwill be able to see those windows from
far away and gravitate to that light. They'll be able to go to that

(10:31):
light. So I do agree thatworking on ourselves is a service in a
way to the world. It's sofunny because I feel like you're speaking directly
to me. I feel like I'velearned that this year, with all of
my health issues and I through allthe struggle, I started to develop the
mindset let's just assume this is goingto just work out like, instead of

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being fearful like. The fearful mentalityis miserable, So why not just assume
that spirit's going to take care ofit. We do our part. Let's
assume that the best possible outcomes goingto happen and within doing so for me
personally, I feel like it hasthings have worked out instead of being more
complicated or or more difficult and likementally, so I feel like, yeah,

(11:18):
I feel like collectively we're all beingasked to tap in maybe to like
a higher guidance and to tap intoour faith and lean on it. I
mean, this is the worst,no joke, IM not gonna lie it
was. It's been scary for me, especially with the astrology for the summer.
So Rick Levine was on the podcastand he had said that astrologically things

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are going to get pretty rough thissummer. So that has always been in
the back of my mind, likeis there going to be a world war
and blah blah blah, And thenI tell myself, if that's meant to
happen, then it's going to happen, because we do need some major shifts.
Yeah, yeah, you know.Interestingly, speaking on the topic of
like world war, another message thatI that I received on all of this

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when I tuned in was that weare more First off, I guess we
should establish that war itself is amanifestation of egos illusion of separation, so
that that illusion of separation is likethe root of all war. Thinking that
you know, we're separate from anotherperson, like us versus them, kind
of thinking. If we realize thatwe were one, and we really,

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really really realized that at every levelof being, then we'd realize that if
we attack another person, we're attackingourselves. So there wouldn't be any war.
So so long as there is thisillusion of separation, it is possible
for us to manifest, you know, things like, um, you know,
a war. Now. The messageI received basically was that this consciousness

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that has created war has manifested tragedyafter tragedy for the human race for a
long time, and we are stillcollect actively karmically working on that particular lesson.
So what's happening as we face inthis war is that we are all
one and connected in facing a karmathat has been around for a very very

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long time. And I got amessage that there's there's a very specific karma
going on related to this war.Okay, before I say exactly what it
is, I just want to quicklysay what karma I was going to ask
you so perfectly reading my mind.Okay, good, yes, because you
know it's just it's important to understandkarma so that we kind of have like

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an absolute sense of clarity. Andfrom the messages that I personally received about
it. When I tune into theangels and ask about karma myself, the
message I get is that it isa natural spiritual force. It is a
force that arose from our collective humanconsciousness, and it arose as a unifying

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healing force. So we're all naturallyone, and karma is the force that's
actually helping us to realize that.It's the functioning of our unity. So
a lot of people think about thekarma and they think that it's like this
moral system of checks balances for judgment, judging your behavior kind of thing.

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It's not God judging one action isquote unquote good and another is bad.
Karma is a force. It's aneutral, non judging force, and it's
simple function is to heal and tohold our state of unity. So think
of it this way. The whiteblood cells in your body aren't sitting around
judging or analyzing the intentions and thefeelings of a pathogen. They don't try

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to get revenge on a virus becausethe virus needs to learn its lesson.
They're just forces of health that functionto keep your body in a state of
wholeness and harmony. So their programto just destroy the invaders that compromise the
reality of the body's wholeness and harmonyand health. Karma is similar for the

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human race. It's a force thatmanifested again from our collective state, that
is here to serve the health ofour wholeness. So where illusions of separation
exist at all again, which that'sthe consciousness that gives way to war.
Where illusions of separation exists anywhere,whether in a person or whether in a
group, Karma, like a whiteblood cell rushing to the to the site

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of an infection, will work tonaturally heal it. And in the same
way that fighting an infection might producea fever, it might produce you know,
sweating or chills in your body.Facing karma, facing these big you
know, lessons, it can produceuncomfortable results, whether it's in our personal

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experiences or whether it's in a sharedexperience. So humanity is a global family
again, we are we are united, We are absolutely one. So we're
not just facing our own personal karmaor own personal need to learn the lesson
of unity. It's a collective lessonin unity, because okay, that illusion

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of separation, that illusion that youknow, we can have like an US
versus M kind of thing going on, It's materialized in social institutions, it's
been culturalized all around the world.Egos mindset has been institutionalized and culturalized all
around the world. So we're collectivelyworking on those structures when we're facing big

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karmic things like this. So thespecific karma that I got the message that
this is actually very related to,is not just war in general, which
is again a very ancient old karmathat WILL been working on. It has
specific lessons that are carrying over fromWorld War two. That's the message that

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I got to you. First.I just want to check in with you
and see how that sits or howyou feel with that. Intuitively, I
guess I completely agree, and Ifeel like you keep saying we're all one.
I want to hit touch on thatin a second. But I feel
like the start of this, theawareness for most people, it started with
COVID to prove that we're all one. Where you know, across the ocean,

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somebody got sick and we were allaffected by it. So when you
say that we're all one. Whatdoes that mean to you? I feel
like some people listening don't understand that. Yeah, So for me, I
first off have to say I totallyagree with you that COVID was another huge
stimulator of us realizing that we wereall one. That there's not one thing

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that can happen to someone across theglobe that doesn't affect you. That oneness.
To me, I see it thisway, that we actually all share
in one great, big collective mind. So our own individual minds are pieces
that are part of this greater humancollective mind, and that human collective mind

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is part of a greater universal divinemind, this one great unified mind.
So there aren't separation. There isn'ta separation between the thoughts and someone else's
head and their intentions and their mindsetand their lessons versus what's in your own
right. I agree. I feellike some people think that we'll use celebrities

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and people being wealthy, for example, they think that they are better than
what a person who's a janitor orwhatever. No, like, we're all
learning specific lessons in order to evolve. So the person that comes in as
a celebrity this lifetime might be ajanitor next lifetime. Nobody's better than anyone
else. And that's what I feel. Me that means that that yeah,

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sorry, I'm like struggling to comprehend, but yeah, I agree with that
completely. Actually, it's like kindof I guess going back to like the
idea of a body. It's likepeople, all people are like many many
parts in a body, like manymany different cells in a body. You
know, one cell is it morereally you know, vital and important than

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you know another cell or another partof the body, because they're all contributing
to the whole. They really arecontributing to the whole, and they all
have a role to play. There'sa time for a cell to die,
there's a time for a cell todo this or to do that, to
replicate, and it's it's all partof this greater whole. So I think
humbling ourselves into realizing, look,you or me and I am you.

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You know we're we are part ofone another. We're literally a part of
one another. Um. I thinkthat that's something that can be a really
healing way to I guess understand thatthe oneness that we have. I agree.
I think that from doing readings,I'll see that like, some people
are more evolved than others consciously evolved, and I feel like some for some

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of us, we remember more inthis lifetime from past lifetimes, and some
people will have lived so many morepast lifetimes, but they don't remember it
in this lifetime. So, um, what do you think on that?
Because I feel like sometimes people thinkthat they're more consciously evolved, they're more
self aware. It's like, well, yeah, in this lifetime, but

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not necessarily in the next or onthe other side. Oh my gosh,
I agree with that so much.Um. I actually just got a message
surrounding that somewhat recently when you know, I was kind of I was talking
with with someone that I that Iwork with in my coaching program, and
we were working on just the ideaof um, like abundance of like you

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know, money and that kind ofthing, and how sometimes in the spiritual
community people will think like, oh, I can manifest anything. So when
my thoughts are like happy, happy, perfect, perfect, then I'll manifest
all this money. And like that'slike this big stick that a lot of
like new Ager law of attraction peoplewill teach. But the things that's my
pet peeve. Yeah, I knowit's there's there's there's there's more nuances to

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it than that. There's there's morecomplexity to it than that, And there's
a there's a pitfall that people fallinto where you can start thinking that,
oh, well, because you're notdoing well financially or because you're not healthy
in your body, you must notbe thinking positive thoughts enough. You must
not be aligned with divine truth enough. You must not be spiritually evolved enough.
And the message that I got whenI was in this discussion from the
angels, the message that they gavewas people just pick different lessons bit different

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angles at which to approach lessons.So a person born into the family of
a billionaire or something like that isn'tthere because they're more spiritually evolved than you
are and they've like figured out lawof attraction. They're there because their soul
picked a very particular lesson to learn, and a very difficult lesson to learn,
because well, in this particular example, if you think about it,

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if someone's really, really, reallywealthy and they can have anything they want
at the snap of fingers in thematerial world, then it would take you
a really, really long time searchingfor love. In searching for meaning in
all these empty places that don't fillyou to the point where it can put
you in despair. To realize allthe money in the world is not going
to make me happy. I haveall the money and I've seen it.

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So it's a different angle of approachinga lesson about how you know, basically,
we're all here to find love,to realize love, to realize the
union, and you remember where wecame from and who we are. But
I agree, I like how yousaid. It's a different angle because it's
all about lessons and my number onepet peeve is what you said or well,

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you're not manifesting it because you hada negative thought. I'm sorry.
It doesn't work like that. Likeyour spiritual team is not going to screw
you over because you thought negatively forlike five days or because you were mad
at them for like health issues.It doesn't work like that. We just
we have different lessons to learn,and so if I'm learning a certain lesson
revolving around money, then yeah,maybe it would be harder for me to

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manifest than for you. It's alla different lesson. The health thing,
it's another pet pee for me becauseyou think, then well, what about
people that were born with a handicappedor with a genetic h you know,
dysfunction, or do you think they'relike being punished spiritually, Like, No,
they're not like less vi being spiritualthan you. Their soul chose a

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sacred less than a sacred alignment withreality that is specific, unique and perfectly
designed to evolve and expand their soul'sintention and purpose. And you know what,
maybe they're in an even higher stateof love than you. Literally,
oh my god, I'm glad thatyou said that, because from doing readings

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people with disabilities, what I havebeen told and what I have seen is
they are more evolved and they're evolvingmore quickly than the rest of us,
and there it's actually harder to getin those bodies than a normal body.
Yeah, oh my gosh, I'veI've actually gotten the same message again,
because there's certain things that don't challengeand distract you and pull you away from

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truth, and the disability itself cansometimes just force you into this really pure
focus on truth or on love.So yeah, it's a very pure state.
We can't judge things. I mean, I even think it's like that
with health issues as well, becauseyou're literally having just to surrender and change
your perception. And I feel likeit forces you to evolve a lot more

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quickly, exactly. And that's thesame thing with this war that we have
collectively manifested. It is forcing usto look at things and to face things
that have been, you know,around in our hidden shadow. You know,
like darkness and division that's been inour shadow. It's forcing it to

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come up to the surface, sothat we must look at it, and
so that we must develop a deeperlevel of compassion. We must come into
a more profound and unified level ofcompassion for one another than before, right,
and to get involved in a waywhere we're not avoiding it. And
I do feel that this specific waris going to teach all of us,

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that it's going to affect all ofus. I mean it already is.
Yeah, yeah, I agree,it absolutely is. So going back to
karma, when you brought up pastkarma from World War Two, what specific
karma was shown to you? Yeah, okay, So it was really really

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interesting. One of the first thingsthat I saw, and this is this
is wild to me, but Isaw this image of a bunch of different
like dictators that like, you know, we'd probably say, are like evil
dictators like you know, I sawan image of like Hitler, I saw
an image of Putin, I sawlike Kim Jong n you know, just
these stalin right, these these differentfigures that have come forward who have brought

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about massive fear and suffering in otherpeople. And I was shown the state
of mind behind all of that,and the state of mind that manifests this
dictator state where you're choosing these thingsthat are just you know, creating incredible

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suffering. Is a state that isso incredibly afraid. It was such a
flavor of fear. It was likenone that I'd ever seen before. These
are men who are in such incrediblefear. And usually the egos reaction to
fear is it wants to control things. So I've experienced that in my own

(26:38):
life. I think we've all experiencedsomething where, you know, when we're
scared of something, we try tocontrol everything around us. You know,
we try to make everything perfect.That's where perfectionism comes from, you know,
we try to really grip everything attachedeverything and control it. This you
know, this high level of fearthat is manifested in these dictator types is

(26:59):
like the stream degree of um ofa collective fear that is definitely shared um,
where there is this desire to controlthe world, to have power over
things in an attempt to feel safe, but really to escape the incredible,

(27:21):
dark, gnawing fear UM that isconstantly there at the pit of the really
looked like the heart and the solarplexus of these these particular uh, you
know, people that fall into thisdictatorial um patterning. So that that happened
during you know, World War two, and a lot of the things that
we saw happening in the world rightbefore World War two, like a rise

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of totalitarianism. Um, we're startingto see some of that like pop up
these like little pockets of thought wherepeople socially are very very divided, um,
you know. And and and againthere's like kind of totality Carrianism type
of movements and gestures happening globally thatcontrol over kind of energy. Eventually,

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if that reaches a pinnacle, ifthat wave reaches a crest, once the
wave breaks, that crest usually hasto kind of result in some kind of
a deterioration, a destruction that wherethat fear actually caves in on itself.
Because the amazing thing about planet EarthThis is the other thing I saw.

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Amazing thing about this dimension is thateverything here is dual. So the world
literally can't just keep getting darker anddarker and darker and more evil and more
problematic. Like that's just not howlife works. Day always follows night,
spring always follows winter. We arein a dual world where there is two

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sides of a coin. If you'regoing to pick up the coin, you're
picking up both sides, and youcannot avoid that. So when that wave
reaches a peak, there's a crestingmoment where then the wave will break and
come to shore and will actually haveto start turning in the other direction.
So we turn away from that fearand control in totalitarianism and violence and that

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kind of thing, and light actuallynaturally is born in response to that high
level of incredible fear and incredible darkness. And that actually did happen in World
War Two. That's because I waskind of like, okay, angels,
world War two, Okay, what'shappening, And like they said, well
one of them, if we're goingto look at the light side of the
coin for what happened during World Wartwo, because there's a lot of massive

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suffering and ugliness that the hellish uglinessthat have appeared on the light side of
the coin. It activated millions ofpeople around the world to find their light
and to prioritize and push their lightinto the farthest reaches of their consciousness and
make it their strongest focus ever.Like you think of these people that just

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dropped and sacrificed everything to save asmany people as possible to try to fight
against these possibly scary, big forces. There was a light that was born,
and in the wake of World WarTwo, after we saw all of
the horror and the tragedy that thatreally occurred during that time, it created
this mass awakening where there's just thismoment of realization and cultures all around the

(30:17):
world where we said, never again, let's remember this, let's unpack this,
let's analyze this, let's create thingsthat will hopefully help us to heal
from this, you know kind ofthing in the future. And the thing
is is we made some progress there, sort of like healings, like peeling
the layer of an onion. Wepeel the layer of the onion, but
look, there's there's more layers toheal, and we haven't learned the lesson

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completely enough. We haven't created sociallyand culturally around the world structures that protect
human rights and human dignity and humanpeace enough yet to the point where those
things can still be threatened by thisego fear that can manifest, you know,
in p So this is our chancewhere we're facing this and we're continuing

(31:03):
some of the work that we basicallystarted during that time. I guess if
that makes sense, complete sense.It's so funny because as you're talking,
I keep having visions of children beingraised and being abused while they're being raised,
and I feel like that was moreprominent when we were younger. I
know it still happens, but Ifeel like it was more common and socially
accepted, and now it's not somuch anymore. But I feel like by

(31:26):
being raised that way, you aretaught to like stand there and look pretty.
I mean, I know I wastold that, and so you aren't
as a vocal you're not. Youdon't see that for yourself as much.
And I feel like now that childrenin the United States at least aren't being
raised like that as much. Thereis a significant pivot with being allowed to

(31:55):
have a voice and to have anopinion and I feel like that's helping us
actively as well, because if youthink about it, it starts when we're
kids were embedded with fear, andif you grow up with fear and trauma,
then you aren't going to want tobring on more fear or trauma because
you're already experiencing. Now, Yes, exactly, that's exactly true. So
it's like social and cultural change startsin families. It literally starts from childhood

(32:21):
in families. Those families bring themto communities, Those communities bring them to
societies, Those societies bring them tolarge overcultures, and it spreads like that.
But like when we're looking at apersonality like like a Putin, because
I was really like had a toughtime wrapping my mind around that particular human.
I was just like, I justdon't get it. Angels like,

(32:42):
how do I understand this? Andthey said, well, okay, so
people, and let's think of himas a child. People who are instilled
with incredible fear and harm and abusefrom the time that they're young, you
know, onwards, can get toa mindset where they attach. If they
choose to attach to that fear somuch, they can find themselves developing to

(33:07):
a place where they're actually channeling collectivefear, fear that runs generations deep,
that you can pull down from thedregs of the human collective and pull up
through you same way that I'm abig believer of this, Like, if
someone decides to heal themselves and theyfill themselves with self love and empowerment and

(33:29):
loving things, you're not just tappinginto your own power, You're tapping into
God's power. You're tapping into thecollective energy of that same loving power.
And you've got like just an arrayof strength from the human beings who have
gone before you to feel those fears. I was going to say that ancestral
too, ancestral power, because youswitched it. Yes, yes, yes,

(33:50):
So you get to choose what tochannel from the collective mind. And
those that are in this incredible fearwhere they can perpetrate suffering like this,
are in a state of such incredible, incredible suffering, incredible fear based separation
from from our truth, from thetruth of our oneness, that they actually

(34:12):
end up channeling something that's that's reallybig. But the funny thing about it
is, in all suffering, theangels tell me that there's always a fail
safe because in all suffering that wemanifest, we're beings of God. Period.
So everything that we create, evenwhen it's really awful and really ugly,
everything that we create actually also willreflect the answer to the problem in
it. It'll also reflect the wayto heal it. It will also reflect

(34:37):
a way out that can transcend it. So interestingly, you know, these
people that are channeling such incredible humanpain, they're bringing it out and they're
purging out a poison that now thewhole world is rallying around and whether they're
fighting with them or fighting against themto try to manage this poison that's coming
out. We're cleaning up the mess. We're face the mess, we're understanding

(35:00):
the mess, and we're learning howto clean it up every single time this
happens. So not to say like, oh, there's a bright side to
this, but it's it's it's areality of what is naturally happening on the
other side of the coin. No, but there is a bright side.
And I feel like one of themain things that we're talking about is Putin's
powerful, but so is everyone listeningto this. Everyone is so powerful,

(35:22):
but we're programmed to believe that we'renot. So I feel like that's one
of the many lessons that we're learningwithin this is one person can't change the
world. I mean, look it, you know, it's putin is why
can't someone the other end of thecoin, like you said, happened where
one positive person comes and changes theworld. So I feel like from past

(35:45):
experiences with war, we always trywe assume the worst because history does repeat
itself, but it doesn't have tobe the case. Yeah, yeah,
And with these karmic repetitions, thisis this image just floated into my mind.
Remember one of the first times Iasked the angels what is karbat like
many years back, they showed mean image in my head of a spiral.

(36:07):
So things happen in cycles, anda lot of people talk about like,
oh, karmic cycles, like thisold lesson or this painful pattern is
like back in my life. Again, they're saying, it's not just that
it's a circle. It's more likea spiral. So every time there's a
problem, you know, like let'ssay a war, I guess we've gone
around the circle and we've hit intothis source spot where there's this you know,
okay war. The next time wego around the cycle. We're moving

(36:28):
around, not the exact same cycle, but we're elevated just one level above
a little bit of a higher perspective, and we're moving up the coil.
We're moving up the spiral, sothat when we're just hovering above that same
source spot where the war had occurredbefore that we manifested that in our consciousness
before, we're coming into something similar, but we're evolving it into something a

(36:51):
little bit higher, with a littlebit of a different perspective and a different
mixture of ingredients, and that canactually happen and refine until we change this
thing that looks like war into somethingcompletely different, you know, maybe change
it into love. In the end, we'll see how that goes. I
believe that we can get there.Though, Yeah, that's such a good
example. I see that in alot of the readings I do, where

(37:12):
someone will be like, I alreadywork through that, and like you said,
well, there's layers like an onion, but there is a different perspective
that you take on after you workthrough something, and you're just that's why
we're here. We're going to continueto learn. If we weren't, then
we wouldn't be here. Anymore.So it feel like we all just need
a surrender to that and be hopefulthat history won't repeat itself like it has
in the past. Yes, ohmy gosh, I am holding such a

(37:37):
candle of hope in my heart forthat, because you know what if,
like we were talking about in thebeginning, like look, this particular war
could go in whatever direction we choosefor it too, because human beings have
free will. There isn't a preordainedthing that's going to overpower our free will.
Being a human wouldn't be useful withoutour free will. Our free will

(37:58):
is what helps us to learn whilewe're here. So with our free will,
we can go in the direction ofa world war, we can go
in the direction of horrors from historyrepeating itself, or or we can learn
from all of that, and wehave learned a lot from that. We
have to give ourselves credit and wecan change that. We can we can

(38:19):
manifest something completely different than that thistime. So it is up to us.
I know that it Sometimes it feelslike, well, gosh, I
hope that our government leaders can reallyhandle this. I hope they know what
they're doing then, and I feelpowerless as an individual but you are powerful
as an individual. I really believeyou know, as long as you again
are holding as much hope as youpossibly can in your heart and you are

(38:43):
pouring out mercy and compassion and loveinto the world, it is literally going
to change the world. And youknow, one other thing with regard to
this mercy and compassion and whatever youknow, evolving out as we look at
what's happening in the world, we'venever had a more really of this particular
caliber. Happened at a time whenglobal communication was as accelerated as it is.

(39:07):
Yes, we can take videos ofwhat's happening right now and shared across
the world in a second. Imean, I feel like that's been one
of the incredible parts because before liveswere made up, you know, like
Russia had blamed stuff on a Ukraineand I don't want to get fully into
it, but now it's like we'reseeing it with our own eyes. We
can't be lied to, you know, Like I feel like a lot of

(39:30):
our history books are wrong because it'sfrom word of mouth and things were manipulated,
where no, we're living this realtime. We get to see it
firsthand. So I think it's prettyamazing. Yes, Yeah, that's that
I think is pretty amazing. Andyou know the other thing too, it's
so interesting. I actually just beforewe started this podcast, actually I was

(39:52):
like, I checked my email fora second and I saw that there was
this like new policy that Google nowhas, so like Google AdSense has this
new policy where they are not allowingpeople on YouTube to monetize, to make
any money off of any videos thatsay, give false information about what's happening
in Ukraine, or that deny youknow that it's happening, or that say

(40:14):
Ukrainians are creating like a you know, like a genocide, and they should
be punished, Like it's basically allthe Russian propaganda. If you will behind
that and you're trying to like benefitfrom that monetarily and spread misinformation, YouTube's
not going to give you a cent. And I've read that right before I
knew we were going to have thisconversation. I was like, world,
you are very interesting these interesting things. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like

(40:37):
that's the perfect example though, ofthings changing for the better. Yeah,
And that's like one another example islike standing up for things that you think
that aren't right locally in your owncommunity, because then if people think that
they can control you and take anadvantage of you, They're going to.
But if everybody starts to stand upfor their human basic human rights, and

(41:00):
people aren't going to be able tocontrol other people. And I feel like
that's the main issue here. Yes, that is such a main issue.
And you know, another thought thatI've even had as well, there was
one story that I saw somewhere.Someone had posted a video of this is
kind of like a hopeful video.It was interesting to see it. I
don't know the entire backstory behind it, but I thought it was a lovely

(41:21):
backstory, no matter the details surroundingit. Basically, these Ukrainians had taken
a Russian tank and they were alllike going whoa. They're like driving it
at top speed. They'd stolen thisthing and they've got like there's like some
of them have like a beer intheir hand. They're like, oh my
gosh, whoa. And the storythat was written around this video was like
this is like a video clip.Basically there were Russian soldiers that abandoned a

(41:45):
tank because they could not morally takewhat was going on that There's been like
a few occurrences where there's actually Russiansoldiers that have just said no, I'm
not doing this and have walked away. And I'm sure there's that's very,
very scary thing to do, becauseyou're sacrificing your life. You know,
some kind of major punishment if you'redoing that. But if you think about

(42:07):
it, like wars can happen toa certain degree just by the will of
one person pushing a button, becausewe have a lot of technology that allows
us to attack people, not withwith other men, but with technology.
But we still need people. Westill need a military full of people that

(42:28):
are agreeing to take action, youknow, wrongful action. So if those
people wake up, if those peoplestart to band together and make small choices,
no matter how small they are,they really do add up in turning
and potentially turning the tide. SoI would pray that someday humanity reaches a
level of consciousness where no man orwoman could be convinced to go and attack

(42:52):
another innocent human being for any reason. That's amazing intention. I I read
the same story and then also thatsome Russian soldiers got to the Ukraine and
they were told to kill and theywere like, wait what, I didn't
agree to this, And they refusedto, so that made me feel very

(43:13):
hopeful as well. It's all reallysad, and I think for you and
I as light workers, it's importantfor us to just have that optimistic perspective.
And I do feel though that alot of fear creates more fear,
So if people are scared, it'sjust adding to that collective fear and then

(43:35):
people being controlled. So what doyou recommend for people that are scared right
now? Yes, Oh my gosh, that is such a brilliant point that
you just made. If you arein fear regarding this, one of the
things that I've I've heard when I'vetuned into the angels repeatedly is that when
we attached to fear and you know, stoke worry within our own hearts and

(43:58):
minds regarding a global issue of anykind, it doesn't contribute any good to
the situation. It really only putsyou in a state of pain and then
adds to the collective energy of thatheaviness and that pain, making it,
you know, a stickier, heavierenergy for everybody to deal with. Not
to blame you if you're feeling fearful, because that's a very normal human reaction.

(44:22):
So first response if you're feeling fearfuland worried, is be compassionate with
yourself and love yourself and say,you know what, this is a human
emotion and it's a natural, normalhuman emotion to have, and I'm going
to hold myself and love myself throughthis. I'm not going to stuff it
down and judge it as you know, too negative or whatever. I'm first
going to give myself permission to feelthis, you know, like, because

(44:45):
sometimes if we've got a fearful emotionthat's already started, sometimes it just needs
to come out. Don't hold itin, just let it out, process
it, and then you release it. Yeah, process it, release it,
and hold space around yourself where you'rejust basically offering yourself incredible and credible
self love with everything that you feel, accepting yourself and loving yourself with every

(45:07):
emotion that's coming through you. Um. So that's like the first emergency,
first respond or action is respond withthat self love and work on healing yourself.
The next steps that you can startto take as you as you work
on that is to say, youknow what, um, there are there

(45:27):
are different perspectives that I'm capable oftaking here. And you know I'd like
to take those different perspectives. I'dlike to take a mindset that will make
it so that I'm not suffering inin a state of pain and worry and
fear. Um, So what arethose what are those perspectives? And how
do I make peace with them?How do I align with them? Usually,
I think in order to align witha higher perspective, it often means

(45:52):
that we need to let go ofsomething that we might be holding within our
belief system and our mindset that isblocking us from being in the higher perspective.
Because, according to what I've receivedfrom the angels, being in a
state in which we can see divineLove's truth, that's natural for all of

(46:13):
us. God resides in all ofus. The Divine is our core,
true self, our true essence,Meaning we have access to the highest perspective
in the universe anytime we choose.So, if we're not seeing from a
mindset of love and faith and feelinghopeful and feeling well, it's because your
natural state that's already inside of youis being blocked by something. So what's

(46:37):
blocking it? That's maybe the firstthing that you want to ask. Do
I hold you a direct belief insome kind of fearful thing, you know,
regarding this reality that I'm seeing outsideof me, And if so,
what or whom do I need toforgive in order to release personal attachment to
this thing that's triggering me. Ifind that giveness is usually like a golden

(47:00):
master key when it comes to doingpersonal inner healing work. And then give
yourself permission. Once you've done youstarted that that forgiveness process, which to
me, I think it usually takesa while. A lot of times we'll
attract a lot of lessons and we'lljust really need that forgiveness. But once
you've done that, you know,start gradually taking baby steps to give yourself

(47:22):
permission to see the world from avery hopeful lens, such as little little
little seeds that you can plant,such as telling yourself it's safe for me
to be hopeful. Yeah, Ilike that. It's just that that's a
baby step. It's safe for meto be hopeful, that's a possible reality

(47:42):
to see things through through the lensof hope. And then just to keep
following those baby steps and keep creating. The angels are adding this one right
now. They're coming in and they'resaying another thing that will help you,
guys, is if you create asmany things in your life that reinforce joy
as absolutely possible. They're saying thatjoy and hope are better teachers oftentimes than

(48:05):
suffering. Is sure, suffering teachesus a lot, but joy also does
and sometimes it's an even better teacher. So we all know that there's going
to be at least one thing inyour life that brings you a modicum of
joy, a modicum of peace.So create that, you know, create
space and room in your life toliterally sacredly ritualize bringing joy into your world,

(48:28):
and it will spread, It willget stronger, and it will actually
give you the fuel necessary to holda more hopeful mindset. It will feed
your ability to see from a higherperspective and remain in faith for this world.
Yeah, that's very helpful. Ithink one thing we all struggle with
as humans is forgiveness. And oneof the things that has helped me is

(48:50):
asking myself, what did I learnfrom this? What is this teaching me?
Yeah? Wow, Because then itfeels like you gained and then you
just have a different perspective and thenyou're able to just move forward instead of
just sitting in it. You know, yes, Yes, that's such a
peacemaking. This is so cool becausewe started talking about the war and now
we're talking about basically like the keysto peacemaking. Yes, we're talking about

(49:14):
through forgiveness work. And I thinkif we can just do that as individuals,
we're probably contributing to a greater globalpeacemaking. That's totally we are.
Well, so what if hm,I was going to ask what angels to
pray to? But you can prayto all of them. I feel like
a lot of people who are newto they're still developing their beliefs, need

(49:37):
guidance on like what angels for what? So what do you recommend? You
know, my go to angel foranything like this is always going to be
Archangel Michael. You're going to saythat he's my go to always? Yes,
we both love Michael and he's He'samazing. And you know, as
the angel that eradicates fear from theworld, If you're eradicating fear from the

(50:00):
world and that's your purpose, thenit means you're here literally to help us
to learn the lesson of clearing awaythat illusion of separation, because all fear
comes from the illusion of separation.So that's Michael's specialty deep down, and
it does deep program war from humanconsciousness. He's often thought of, you

(50:21):
know, historically and like mythological,legendary contexts, religious contexts. He's like
thought of as this warrior angel too, like people think of him as like
eating these battalions and that kind ofthing. But think of it more like
he's a warrior for peace and he'sa protecting angel too. So you can
kind of imagine Archangel Michael and hishelper angels surrounding all human beings and basically

(50:43):
protecting the presence of you know,peace and hope and love in their hearts.
No matter what side of the warthey're on, they're all part of
us. They're literally all part ofus, and they are all people that
require and need our mercy, compassionand forgiveness even if they're putent right.
So if we can pray for ArchangelMichael to be with them and try to
protect and strengthen love and healing intheir hearts, I think that that's a

(51:07):
big one. And I have tosay too, Archangel Ariel has come up
a lot lately when I think ofall of this, and Ariel is like
an angel of courage and strength.And it's interesting because when I first got
all those messages about like, Okay, there's a there's a karma that's kind
of tied and carried over from WorldWar two stuff, I was showing all

(51:28):
these images of these people who theAngels kept saying heroes, heroes rise from
experiences like this, and it takesa lion's courage. It takes such incredible
you know, strength to set asideyour own personal fears and insecurities and instead
just say, I'm surrendering everything tothis merciful act of being the hero,

(51:53):
of trying to uphold this particular valuein the world, the value of love
or human since in the world soColin Arial for the heroes and Colin Michael
to protect you know, peace andlove for everyone. I love that.
And just work on your self caretoo. You have amazing guided meditations on

(52:14):
your YouTube channel. Are you Ifeel like you should do one about the
war like alleviating like fear and separation. Oh my gosh, that's such a
good idea. I love that.Yes, okay, writing that down that
it's next on my list, andI actually, you know what to to
even go along with this? Ifyou guys, since we've been talking about

(52:34):
doing our own work and like,you know, healing ourselves as a way
to contribute to greater healing. Ido have a shadow healing meditation guided meditation
with the Angels that's up there onYouTube too that you guys can start with,
and totally I'm gonna I'm gonna gofor it. I'm going to create
a meditation like you suggested, Creed. I think that's a really great idea.
Are you still doing one on onesright now? I'm not doing one

(53:00):
on one angel sessions. I've actuallyswitched over to doing group coaching, like
small group coaching sessions. I'll haveanother enrollment period open for that this coming
July, So anybody that wants tobe involved in that, definitely go ahead
and visit Ascension with Sarah dot comand you can actually put your name on

(53:21):
the waiting list right now, andthen you know, we can we can
have a chat in July and seeif you want to join. Oh that's
exciting, okay, And then what'syour YouTube and your Instagram handle? Yes,
so to find me on YouTube,Instagram, Facebook, pretty much anywhere.
It's always going to be at SarahHall four four four So yeah,
Sarah fan H two H is nextto each other, Sarah Hall four four

(53:43):
four. I love that well.Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom
with all of us. Thank you, Kareine, Thank you for having me.
This has just been such a heartnourishing conversation with you as always,
and I'm so grateful to connect withyou on this. We'll have to connect
again. I feel like fall time. Yes, that would be great.
That would be great. All right, guys, thanks for listening. Don't

(54:05):
forget to like share and subscribe.I am going to take a couple of
weeks off. I had surgery yesterday, so I will keep you guys updated
on the walking on Feathers Instagram inregards to when I will be back.
But don't forget to subscribe. Allright, have a great week.
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