July 21, 2025 • 54 mins
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Tonight I was on WURD out of Philadelphia, PA speaking with Dr. James Peterson. We discussed the Surrounded video of Mehdi Hasan versus the so-called far-right conservatives that turned out to be fascists. While this is a serious matter, I couldn't help be mock these incels. Here's why.
Tonight I was on WURD out of Philadelphia, PA speaking with Dr. James Peterson. We discussed the Surrounded video of Mehdi Hasan versus the so-called far-right conservatives that turned out to be fascists. While this is a serious matter, I couldn't help be mock these incels. Here's why.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The piece I'm writing this week is grounded in robust argumentation.
Yes it does have an intellectual academic spend to it, Yes,
but I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm just mocking
these in cels. I'm locking the I'm just I'm gonna
keep it real with you, Doc, I'm mocking the fact
that these fascists who are on that video the media, Son,
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they are some of the most un sex people virgins
in the history. Like they visually look exactly like you
would expect a person who can't get laid. And I
say that with the love of Jesus Christ, because I
know that the number one way to deal with the fascist,
especially one that can't get laid, is to point out
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the fact that you're a virgin and you're gonna die
a virgin, and you think that you're serving God with
your virginity in cels, but in reality, you're gonna die
a virgin, wake up in Hell a dead virgin, and
you're gonna turn around and be like, Lord, didn't I
serve you? And God was gonna be like, you might
have been a virgin, but you were a hateful, digoted, lying,
racist urgeon, so you might as well, in cels might
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as well have only got laid on this earth and
just been a normal human being instead of trying to
overthrow democracy just because you can't get no stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hallelujah. Oh my goodness. Wait a minute, wait, I gotta
catch my bed. Pastor waiting waits.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:41):
Welcome, ladies, gentlemen, and gender non conforming individuals to another
episode of The Benjamin Dixon Show. I am, of course
your host, Pastor Ben. Coming up, I'm gonna be sharing
an interview that I did with my good brother, doctor
James Peterson, who is the host of The Evening Word
on WURD in Philadelphia, where we discussed what we're gonna
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discuss tonight, as well as what I'm writing about. The
fascist who showed up loud and proud to face the
entire world to let the world know that we're here
and they're queer. Well they won't admit that, but they're
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here and they're proud to be demagogues, fascist Nazis. If
you had a chance to watch the Jubilee Media companies surrounded,
which I have some words for them as well. If
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you saw the episode with Mehdi Hassan. Now, I'm not
gonna play a lot of clips here, if any at all,
because Jubilee Media is really good about flagging your account
and getting your video taken down or making sure that
they're not monetized. So I'm writing an article about it
where I will be quoting them. I got an entire
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transcript of the entire hour and forty minute episode because
you really need to see something. I need you to
see and read and understand just how bold these in
cell fascist are. In cell. In cell is short for
involuntary celibate, meaning they can't have sex even if they
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wanted to. Involuntary. I will celibate once. I would celibate
for four years once. It was very much on purpose. Okay,
I'm living quite the chaste life now. You know, I'm married,
(03:53):
so I'm not celibate by loan, but it's a very
you know, wonderful intimate love affair that I'm having with
my wife. We have three children, and I lived the
most chaste and holy life that I possibly can. Haven't
always been that way, don't mistake that I never forget
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running into one of my listeners at a strip club.
So I'm not a perfect but I tell you, for
the last five years, in particular, I have been living
the absolute closest walk with the Lord Jesus Christ that
I possibly can. Why am I saying that? Because the
in cels have converted their involuntary celibacy, their anger, their
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rage at the fact that they're so ugly on the
inside and the outside. Pause. Let me say something. I
am not a good looking dude by any measure. In fact,
I have been injured and living with injury so much
in my life. My body somewhat looks like a pretzel. Yes,
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so I'm not stunting, I'm not flexing, I'm not flossing.
I'm just keeping it real. If I had been as
ugly on the inside as I am on the outside,
I never would have gotten married to the most beautiful
woman on the face of the planet, my Nepher TD.
If I had been as ugly on the inside as
I am on the outside, I would have also been
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involuntary celibate like all of those people on the panel
with Mehdi Hassan last night the other day, depending on
when you're listening to this podcast. These men have created
an entire ideology and an entire worldview and agenda, the
plan to overthrow democracy so that they can force the government,
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or rather use the government to force women into having
relations with them. I excuse my language. It's so hard
to do this this day and a without cussing. But
I shit you not. This is why I'm not pastoring
right now. Pastor Jade of my wife, my beautiful wife,
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mother of my three children. She has taken the helm.
She is a very anointed woman of God, one of
the most prepared ministers of any gender. She is prepared,
and she is preaching, and she is pastoring because I
had to get in these streets to confront some Nazis,
and it's kind of hard for me to do it
with one hand tied behind my back. Sometimes I have
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to use the holy profane, the profane, holy prophetic word.
Sometimes you got to put a little more emphasis on it.
I don't want my kids to listen to this because
I don't want them to try because somebody have to
pop up in the mouth that they said so profantity.
But y'all got to forgive me. Some devils don't go out, yes,
but by prayer and fasting. But also you gotta give
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them some get right. And these ugly I mean, they
are some of the most mouth formed i'd looking. And
I'm only saying this because they're as ugly on the
inside as they are on the outside. That's why you're
a virgin. Connor from the episode last night, who was
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so proud to say he doesn't believe in democracy, so
proud to say that he believes in autocracy, dictatorship, so
proud to say that he wanted to use the First
Amendment to get rid of the First Amendment rights for
everyone else, so proud of his hypocrisy, so proud of
his arrogance, so proud to be called a fascist and
to call himself a fascist. He forgot to mention that
he's an insult. He forgot to mention that he's a
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virgin and can't get any sexual relations if he paid
for it. He forgot to mention that that is the
driving force behind their ideology. That's why they're so bitter,
that's why they're so angry because some girl turned them
down along the way and they never recovered. Well, my friend,
if you just had a little bit of charisma, just
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a little bit of I don't even want to use
the word swagger, but it helps. If you had just
a little bit of talk game, you would understand like
I understand, like I've learned from Biggie Small. I might
be fat, black and ugly as ever, however I still
I stay coogie down, not kuchie, but coogie c O
O j I E G G I E. I forgot
how to spell it. It's a brand, it's a fashion.
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I don't want anybody to say out here saying the
pastor bin is talking about getting kouchie. I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about the fact that these incels
can't get no KOUCHI forgive me, Lord, I got to
just say it like it is. And because they can't
have sexual relations with the feminine, I mean they I'm
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sure they get plenty of of of h Okay, I'm
gonna be careful here, I'm not gonna get myself canceled.
But the circle jerk that they are involved in in Nazism,
they follow Nick Fuintes, who is the leading He's so
homo erotic, he's so he's I mean, there's nothing right. Listen,
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if you like as long as you like consenting adults.
I am of the opinion so long as that you
are with a consenting adult of whatever gender, that is
your business. It is when you force yourself on someone
and someone young, which brings me to another thing. Can
I just go on a little tangent real quick, I've
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got I'm gonna I'm gonna go down a lot of films,
kind of like that other guy with Eddie, Eddie who
was twitching. He had a whole lot of information. I'll
give Eddie that much. Eddie had a lot of data,
but he his data was being used incorrectly, and I
didn't I believe that he did not believe that Maddi,
his son, was going to be as well read as him.
(09:47):
The arrogance of this uneducated white man. He read a
lot of articles, he had a lot of data, but
he I believe that he presumed Eddie presumed that he
was going to be able to trip up Mattie Hassan.
Shout out to Meddi Hassan, who follows me on Twitter.
I just want to say that you know he knows me.
(10:09):
Meddi has son, who is one of the most brilliant
debaters in the history of debate. That is one brother,
I do not ever want to get on the wrong
side of and have to debate ever, ever, period, point blank.
And here Eddie was trying to trip him up with
data and and and he was going, he was stemmying,
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he was going through all kinds of stems, and I
get it as myself. I'm I'm I'm you know, listen,
I'm not diagnosed with anything. I'm not even diagnosed with
a partially broken neck. But I've been living with a
partially broken neck for a very long time. So when
I say I'm a bit autistic, it's not diagnosed. It's
because I'm starting to recognize I've got some peculiarities about myself.
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I'm rather neuro divergent. Okay, So when I say this,
I'm not saying it from an ablest perspective. I'm saying
it like DJ Exclusive, my my dj On Satdur in
the mornings, who looks like a bouncer, but he's proudly
from the lgbt quy A community. So when he calls
someone gay, DJ Exclusive is saying it from within the community.
(11:12):
So when I talk about Eddie's twitches and his neuro
divergent kind of stamped stemming and you know, kind of
following and twitching and all the stuff that he was doing.
I don't say it to insult him, but I will
talk about his peculiarly you know, his his really strange face.
You know his face, you know, really weird looking brother.
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And again I'm saying that I'm an ugly dude. Okay,
So from the community of ugliness, I can say that
those were some of the most ugly people on the
inside and on the outside that I have ever seen.
These were not dapper Nazis. Mother Jones article from years ago.
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Who who started this foolishness? If you asked me writing
an article about dapper Nazis, Nazi are to be punched.
According to the principles of the people of good faith.
As best as I can tell, one of the pre
eminent axioms and rules of the people of good faith
is that Nazi lives don't matter. I'm wild, y'all. I
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had such a good time with doctor James Peters, and
this brother is brilliant, and to be able to sit
in a room with him digitally and just discuss matters
of brilliance and black brilliance, and then we just started
cracking up, laughing. We had such a good time in
the short time that I had with them. I'm going
to play a clip of that, but I just kind
of want to just really make something plain and you'll
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be able to read it in the article tomorrow the article.
And I'm not pulling any punches on these devils when
your intention is to cause harm to my people are
the friends of mine. When Eddie, Eddie, who was the
weird face shaped face looking guy, he was buff, you know,
he was buff, but his face was unusually round for
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a guy who's so buff, like you know, you know,
he needs to do some of that mewing. Is that
called mewing where you do the chin exercises to get
a firm chin. I can't even do that. Like again,
like to look at me might be to kind of
be disturbing because my body is kind of shaped a
little bit like a pretzel. If I were to keep
it one hundred with you and never really said that
publicly before, because it took me some years to actually
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deal with the physical trauma that my body has been
living in since I was I don't know, first accident
was eight years old, then twelve years old. I got
in another biking accident, and then fourteen years old, I
got in got hit so hard on the football field
I flipped three times. I remember seeing the sky twice
and the ground twice, and then woke up and walked
home two miles with a half broken neck. And you know,
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you know how insurance is set up in the United
States of America, So I never got my half broken
neck looked at. But I've just been living with it.
And then actually it actually even got worse. Somewhere around
twenty two. My dad was and I was wrestling, and
he accidentally dropped me on my neck. So you know,
I've been messed up for a long time. You know,
not pleasant to look at, but I've never had difficulty.
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I mean, it wasn't easy. Now, women weren't just throwing
themselves at me. I'm not gonna say that lie. In fact,
I understand the pain of the in cels. I understand
what it's like to want to be desired, to want
somebody to look at you and to desire you, and
to pursue you with the y'all know when a woman
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wants you, come on, when a woman really wants you,
she pursues you like nobody's business, and to not have
that as much as you want is fracturing. It ruptures
your psyche. Everybody wants to be desired, and what the
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in cells have done because they are as ugly on
the inside as they are on the outside. That's the thing.
If you had just a little bit of charisma, if
you weren't such an arrogant, pompous, narcissistic set of pricks,
your ugliness on the outside would not have prevented you
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from enjoying on occasion, not every time you wanted it. Man,
you should expect if you're not a certain heighten, a
certain physique, that you're gonna get turned down more. But
it's you know, it's a numbers game. You go out
there and be nice, you be kind and be respectful,
and then eventually you're gonna have some girls that do
throw themselves at you. Now, I'm not going to recount
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for you all on this episode or ever. All I'm
gonna say is that's how I got my wife cause
I had a little bit of talk game. I knew
how to make her giggle. I realized a long time ago,
if you can make a woman genuinely giggle, kind of giggle. Oh,
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everything else works itself out. But we're dealing with a
generation of involuntary celibates who think that they have a
right to stand with a level of arrogance and demand
come over here, woman and give me some sex. And
when they get turned down, they start organizing, quite literally organizing,
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creating a philosophy and a worldview to demand that the
government compel women to give them sex. This is where
it all began. This is part and parcel of the
reason where we are. MAGA has been using the the
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unlimited supply of fuel that comes from men who can't
get sex. That's as nice as I can. They have
been using that energy to drive their movement. And here's
the thing for MAGA that they don't realize they could
never control that movement. That movement is almost in a
position to control them. And this is how we are
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where we are. Want you to paulsn't really think about it.
What does it mean for Fast just to be able
to come out of the closet and be so loud
and bold and brave. See, this is why you have
to punch Nazis early and not me. I'm too small.
I'm just I'm like five to seven. Most of the
people on the video last night probably would beat my
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ass really good. But I'm fast. I'm fast for a
guy with broken ankles, sprained ankles. I don't know. I'll
get to a doctor one day. Insurance is too expensive
in the United States of America. I've just had to live.
I've had to survive. I've had to move on. And
as long as I could, you know, march in the
marching band, and as long as I could do the
dance routine, and as long as I could, you know,
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do my thing. When I had to do my thing,
I had never really you know, I stayed alive. But
I'm fast, though, so they'd have to catch me. You know,
that's my advantage. I talk fast that I run fast.
I'm sorry. I had too much fun with doctor Peterson,
so I'm going to play that tonight. But tomorrow I'm
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going to publish this article, because I do. I am
going to take some time to scorn and mock these
in cells, but I'm also going to break down for
you the cycles and the patterns of what this really is. Right,
there's something, there's something universal and fractal, fr act al, fractal.
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It repeats throughout history. It repeats across levels of existence.
What do I mean like? It repeats in an individual
person's life, It repeats in a community's life, it repeats
in a nation's life, and it repeats in the lives
of humanity as a whole. A cyclical reality of scapegoating,
of being alienated, and taking that anger and that rage
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from your alienation, from you not being able to accomplish it,
to achieve what you want. In particular, it's it's it's
extremely Germane. When you can't get the women that you want.
Oh man, When men can't get the women that they want,
they become violent creatures. And I wasn't above that either.
I wasn't always you know, the dapper don you know
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pretzel that I am. That's why I wear suits all
the time. Did you know that I wear suits all
the time because I take that suit off you, Oh,
put the suit back on, Put the jacket back on. Brother.
I haven't always been charismatic, and I haven't always been
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knowledgeable of just how to be a good person. Right,
it's not game, it's not it's not talk game. I mean,
I got talk game. Don't get don't get me twisted there, right,
I can talk myself into a fight and talk myself
out of a fight as quickly as I talk myself
into it. You know, you gotta be able to commun unicate.
You gotta be able to talk to a woman. You
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gotta be able to just be cool, be cool and
chill and talk to her. And I take arrogance and
pompousness and narcissism and try to make them little don't
why why believe what is this? We're gonna get to
this episode, We're gonna get to a whole lot more.
And then when I play this clip with the conversation
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I had with doctor Peterson, it was a great time.
Love that brother, brilliant brother. Y'all go and subscribe to
wherever you find him, Go and follow w U r
D in Philadelphia. I didn't even ask them permission to
get this video, so I don't know if this is
okay or not. I hope it's okay doctor Peterson. If not,
just you know, tell me next time, and I won't
do it again. But I you know, but I'm gonna
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be real with you all.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It is.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
A problem for democracy that we have so many entitled
men who believe they have the right to women's bodies,
and I wasn't always freed from that patriarchy. To be sure,
I had to come to a point in my life
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and accept that I am not entitled to a woman's body.
I am not entitled to sexual pleasure from a woman.
I had to accept that in marriage. You know what
these Catholic nationalists like Nick Fointes believe. He literally said it.
I don't know if I feel like looking up the
clip for you, I might drop it in here. If
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you don't hear it. That means I didn't feel like
looking it up, but you could look it up yourself.
Nick fin Fintes believes that women must in marriage give
sex to the man no matter what, and for them
not to give sex to a man no matter what
is a deadly sin. What do you mean, Nick, You
mean you're gonna kill your wife if she doesn't give
it up to you when you want it on demand.
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This is the mentality of these boys. They're not men,
they're boys. And that's an insult to boys, because even
my young boys, my sons, know better than this. They're children.
But that's an insult to children because most children have
better sensibilities and manners and know how to treat people
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better than that they know that their body and somebody
else's body and then or not to touch each other.
We teach them some basic rules as children, and we've
got grown men who don't understand how to respect the autonomy.
So now we have a whole movement of involuntary celibates
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who then became fascists, and they wrapped their involuntary celibacy
in the language of Christianity, particularly particularly Christian or Catholic nationalism,
and they believe that they are walking wholly before God
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because they're virgins. But you're not a virgin by choice,
my dude, you're a virgin because you can't get none,
because you are as ugly on the inside as you
are on the outside. And here I am ugly as
ever on the outside. With with you know, some really
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beautiful women in my past, but the most beautiful of
all in my present the mother of my children, Pastor Jada.
That girl's pretty. I looked at her. I look at
her any given day, and I'm like, man, you know what,
I would always choose her out of every room I
go into. This there's not a room I would go into.
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I don't care how fine and pretty the other one.
Ain't none of them prettier than my wife. And here
we are, raising three beautiful kids, and I'm walking around
the house looking like a half broken pretzel with a
half broken neck a little bit of See you know,
it's not it's not easy to look at me. And
yet I'm not an insult. And yet yeah, had a
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pretty healthy, robust life.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Read between the lines. I'm not gonna brag on that
that parts. But forgetting those things which are behind, forgetting
those things which are behind, I press towards the mark.
Here's the thing I want to say to the involuntary
celibates who are listening. If you've listened this far and
you haven't been so triggered that you through your computer,
your phone, or your radio across the room, if if
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if in this process of being fake about your celibacy,
because that's what you are, let's be for real. You
didn't go to God. You didn't go to Christ out
of genuine pursuit of Christ. You looked at yourself and
says self, I'm gonna be a virgin for the rest
of my life. So what can I do with this?
And someone told you, hey, that might work. Out really
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good if you go into the Catholic Church, because they
take a vow of celibacy. Now they took a vow
of celibacy, you just couldn't get none. But let me
stop rubbing it in, because here's the truth of the matter.
Here's what I really do advocate now in this part
of my life, when I have really matured to the
point of accepting that I am not entitled to a
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woman's body, not even my wife's. When my wife is ready,
then we're gonna have a good time. If she's not, eh,
I gotta do something else with my time. I need
to go to work. You know, I'm I. You know,
I honestly I don't. I don't watch pornography, not that
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I never did. What was that the bang Burrows and
the bus. I'm just I just want to I want
to keep it real with you. I have not always
been as good of a Christian as I am now. Right.
But but when my wife says she's not in the mood,
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I don't get mad at her. I move along and
I go on about my life and I accept it.
I don't go and watch porn, I don't do anything.
I just accept the fact that well, I'm just gonna
have to wait a couple of days, sometimes, you know,
more days than I might like. But that's neither here
nor there. The point is is that where I am
in my life and the level of respect that I
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give not only my wife, but I give myself now
to accept that I'm not an animal that has to
just get it when I want to get it and
have to get it. But I'm a man, I'm a human.
I'm a person, and I can control myself. And it
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is in that self control that is voluntary. Of course,
I can, you know, I can. I can nudge my
wife alone. I know how to entice her. I can
you know, I know what she likes to be kissed. Yeah,
so I am very capable of self control. Is the
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point in cells, When you have actual self control, there
is a level. I'm talking to the in cels, especially
the Catholic in cels, the ones who think that they're
doing something for God. I want to tell you something.
When you actually have self control and self control goes beyond,
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my friends, It goes beyond sexuality. Self control goes into
can you control your anger? Can you control that hatred
that's in you, that bigotry that's in you. You don't
even know why you're upset with that person. Can you
control yourself though? Can you not snap when you want
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to snap? Can you control your temper? Can you control
your rage? Can you control yourself when you're in the
momentum of the crowd, when the crowd is moving in
a direction? Can you control yourself and say no, I'm
not going that way? Because if you can control yourself,
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I'm talking to the Catholic and the Christians and the Believers,
the Protestant and whatever you know, I'm talking to those
in cels. If and when you can truly have self
control over every aspect of your life, I want to
tell you a big secret. Then you'll hear from the Lord.
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Then you will receive divine transmissions. How do I know?
Because I've got catalogs, I've got books, I've got volumes
of information that the Lord has been transmitting to me.
And actually, let me correct myself. God isn't just transmitting
to Ben Dixon. No, there's a transmission occurring at all
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all times, on all channels, on all frequencies, at every
point in time, space and in between dimension. The same
message is being transmitted on all frequencies, but you cannot
hear it if you don't have actual self control, not
involuntary celibacy. That and the fact that being an insuel
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and being a virgin is not the key to get
into heaven. You dummies, You're not gonna go to heaven
just because you're a virgin. How stupid are you? People?
You're you're a bigoted asshole on earth? Excuse me, lord,
You're you're you are a narcissistic, mean spirited, selfish, murderous,
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power hungry, little scrawny little bastard. And you think just
because you're not getting sex that you're somehow going to heaven.
Oh my god. Oh I was gonna say, who have
y'all been listening to? But clearly you've been listening to
the homo erotic, homo suppressed Nick Fuintes, who constantly talks
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about and flirts with you all. Do you all not
see him flirting with you in every episode? He's trying
to convince you in cells to sleep with him rather
than sleeping with women. He literally said, sleeping with women
is gay. That's who you've been following, and that's why
your minds are so twisted and distorted that you actually
think that you're going to heaven because you're a virgin. Meanwhile,
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you are an evil, sadistic fascist like everyone on that
panel that attacked Mehdi has Son last night. I'm gonna
go here because I want to make sure I get
this episode out tonight tomorrow. I'm dropping the article where
I break this down. I am going to mock them
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just a little bit, maybe the first three paragraphs. I'm
going to mock them. Yes, And if it sounds a
little bit ablest, it's only because I'm from the disabled
community myself. Might we debate about this in my household?
Am I disabled? Is injured? Being injured the same as disabled?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I'm not looking to claim it. I'm not like
trying to do the oppression Olympics. But I'm trying to
come to terms with something I was oblivious to living
in shock for like twenty years. You know, you get
so used to the injuries that you forget you have them.
I was, Oh, I'm so glad I lived before cell
(31:47):
phones were ubiquitous, because man, I was so un I
was so oblivious. My homeboys, remember this. I was so
oblivious to my injuries and how absolutely, like extreme they
are that I was in a club dancing with these
beautiful women, like we had a good time. Like I
still could dance, you know what I mean. That's why
I never knew something was wrong with me. I'm in
(32:07):
the club dancing in my early twenties before I met
my wife. Obviously, I'm in the club dancing. We just
the boots, the booms, the boots, the boom. It was,
you know, it was a little club down in South Florida.
The music going off, and you know, the drinks were
flying around, and the women were hot, and I'm on
the dance floor and moving and I messed around. I
had on a wife beater of you know, a T
shirt underneath, and I took off my shirt and start
(32:29):
swinging around and and I don't think the music actually stopped,
but it feels like in retrospect the music stopped and
the bouncer was like, sir, put your shirt back on. Anyways,
here's me with doctor James Peterson. We had a great conversation.
(32:53):
I want you guys to be sure to tune in
tomorrow for another episode, but also to get this article
because I want to breakdown for you what's actually happening.
All right, folks, that's this is probably going to be
the end of what you hear from me. At the
end of this interview, I'm going to cut out with
the music and the outro, and I'll see you the
w r D.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
S at wordradio dot com. Folks, I am super excited
introduce my next guest, Pastor Ben Dixon, host of the
Ben Dixon Podcast and one of the greatest interviews of
all time. Welcome to Evening.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Words, Brother, how are you?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It as an honor and a pleasure to be here
with you in wr D in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Brus Great. It's great to have you on.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I'm serious about that that you know I didn't and
we taped an interview with me on your show about
a week ago, and it's easily the most comprehensive interview
that I've given this year, and probably even over the
last year and a half or more. So I appreciate
that I got to make sure I check it out
whenever that episode drops. Pastor Ben, just a lot of
(33:59):
things you and I could talk about here today, but
I am going to assume that you've seen some of
the clips from Mehdi Hassan's take takedown of the of
the circle of twenty or so Nazis on the Jubilee
program for for for folks in our listening audience who
maybe you know, don't follow Medi Hassan or don't follow Zitail,
(34:23):
give us a little backdrop about Medi Hassan and then
let's get into uh this this this to him just
destroying these right wing extremist Nazi types. Uh in debate fashion,
on on on on the Jubilee program.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It was spectacular, wasn't a brother talking in his in
terms of his performance. It was terrifying in terms of
how proud and loud these fascists are. But Medi Hassan
is a British American naturalized citizen, right, He's an immigrant,
he is of Indian descent, and he is a Muslim.
Just giving you all the categories that he falls into,
(35:00):
your audience, But one of the most brilliant and most
prolific debaters I have ever seen. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He is one person I would not want to go
up against and debate.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But that didn't stop a lot of confident, misinformed, valid informed,
uninformed Nazis from trying to not only compete with him,
but to intimidate him. With their brashness. They were unashamed
self avowed fascists, like literally came out of their mouths.
The fact that they want to destroy democracy, the fact
(35:33):
that they want to get rid of people like him,
the fact that they think Donald Trump should go even
further in terms of violating the constitution.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I mean, they're they're folks. Folks.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
If you just google Meddi Hassan, me d Hi Hassan,
put that in your Google machine, it will take you
right to the story.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is one of the biggest stories on social media
right now. I don't know when they take.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
This interview this weekend, but if on my social media fees,
this is the biggest story and there's multiple clips circulating
of him. Literally, let me set the stage for you
and the I'm gonn pass it back to pastor been
for the for the breakdown. Basically, the way this show
is taped is you have an individual that sits at
a table in the midst of a circle, and there
are about a couple of dozen people surrounding this person
(36:16):
in the shop. And then one by one, each of
the folks come from that circle and sit at the
table with this individual, allegedly to debate him.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Or her.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Now, I don't know how it was set up that
they put Mehdi Hassan pastor Ben in a room with
a bunch of literal Nazis, Like, these are literally people
who support These are quote unquote Americans who support autocracy,
who support fascism, who believe that the only real citizens
of this nation are are are white folks. They are
they are they are unabashedly white nationalists. These are folks
(36:47):
who who who support the genocide in Gaza. These are
people who, uh who who who believe that that they
don't believe necessarily in the Holocaust, They support and sometimes
embrace the Lake being a Nazi.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, and so go ahead aheadass yeah, No, that's exactly
who they are.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And I have to call out Jubilee Media, that's the
company that does this show, calls Surrounded, and I'm calling
them out not only here but in a piece that
I'm writing about this, because they intentionally had to go
and find the most racist, bigoted, Like it's hard to
find a whole lot of people that would get on
international streaming to the tune of millions and millions of
(37:29):
views and just openly yeah, I'm a fascist and I'm
proud of it, but Jubilee Media found them and it
shows that they have no concern about this country or
about democracy. They only want the clicks. And I think
even further than that, I've noticed a trend over the
year or two that they've been doing this, that they
have pushed the envelope further and further in terms of
(37:51):
the type of guests that they allow on opening the
Overton window now to where we're dealing with Nazis on
their platform.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
So I'm conflicted on this a little bit. I agree
with you that Jubilee should be held accountable for this.
We shouldn't be platforming Nazis. I think the question is
is is it better for us to have Mehdi Hassan
intellectually assassinate these folks on this platform or should we
(38:20):
just not provide a platform for.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This level of ignorance and hate. I mean, the reason why.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I'm conflicted about that is because I actually believe that
those twenty individuals, with all their hate and their fascism,
and their support of autocracy, their denial of Holocaust, their
support of genocide and Palistan, I actually believe that they
represent the way that some people think in this country.
By the way, most of these folks are young folks,
(38:47):
just to be clear of for our listening audience. These
are mostly young folks. They're mostly white, but not all white.
They're mostly wipe it out well, they're mostly male, but
not all male, but they are younger generation folks. Pastor Ben,
I think they do represent people who think and feel
that way, although they may not be as vocal or
as stupid to come on YouTube and talk about it,
but they represent people who feel that way in this country.
(39:09):
I'm conflicting as to whether or not the value of
medi hassan dissecting them that way in such an efficient, powerful,
and really constructive way, if you will, versus not having
that hate on any platform in the first place.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I feel that conflict that you're feeling. I think
I'm with you about ninety percent. But where do they
go from here?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Who's next? Because they're pushing.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
If they're doing this for sensationalism, then they've got to
push the envelope even further. And then at what point
do we say these are ideas that we can't, as
a matter of a structured society allow to be this
promoted on this level of a platform. I think really
did a wonderful job. But the alternate side of that
(40:00):
is the fact that there are a lot of Nazis
who are proud today all through social media, who are
heralding these individuals. And when we see the asymmetry doc
in terms of that algorithm, you know, they've got plenty
of platforms, they've got plenty of outlets, they have plenty
of push and algorithmic support, and the voices that come
(40:21):
back to them, we're the ones that are marginalized in
a significant fashion. So I really kind of believe in
the policy that Bill Clinton got rid of.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
The fairness doctrine.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Right there needs to be a truly fair and balanced representation,
and I think that they have some responsibility to say
these are not our ideals, right, They need to make
some kind of statement to that effect.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's a crazy mixed up world. But how do we
handle it. I don't know. We just have to work
our way through at one debate at a time. Apparently
it is a.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Bizarre world, pastor Ben because those right wing, for first
of all, the algorithms on x are elevating those clips,
push them out to promote those views. But I it's
I'm watching the same things that these right wingers on
social media are watching. I'm seeing interpreting as medi hissan
(41:11):
is dismantling them intellectually, and they're seeing it as their victory.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Like these folks are doing exactly they're they're getting it off,
they're doing it.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
How can we how can we be literally in the
same ways but see things so differently in this world?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, so they've gotten rid of the concept of a
shared truth, right, They've they've gotten rid of any notion
of objective reality. And that's because truth is an enemy
to them, and so they have created these echo chambers,
these silos where they can be comforted amongst each other.
So long as there's somebody that will retweet them, they
don't mind going out there and saying, hey, this guy
(41:48):
did a spectacular job, when in reality he got completely decimated.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Although really matters is that their echo chamber gives them
a pad on the back. And so now we have.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Conflicting and contrasting echo chamber of truth and we just
simply don't have a shared reality anymore.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But that's the craziest though. They think that we're in
the echo chamber.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, they really do. They They they have mastered
the art of projection. I mean they've they've created this
perfectly her medically sealed bubble for themselves and without the
ability to rupture it, no one can get through to them.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
They have a level of confidence that will allow them.
I mean, just really think about it.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's it's they are so confident in their Nazism that
they went on you know, for lack of a better phrase.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
International television.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, everybody in the world is going to see them,
and they're so confident in it, And that shows you
just how hermetically sealed their realities are. Without anyone intervening
to compete or to challenge their frame, They're just in
this one circle of when it's that phrase, but they
really just patting each other on the back and saying,
(42:56):
you're doing really good.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Really reality, they're they're really in bizarro world.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
It is masturbatory, though in the sense that it is
designed to to to stoke a certain level of ignorance
within their own uh contest.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I could talk about this all day, but I want
to move on to some other things.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Pastor Ben Back on w r D nine hundred a
M ninety six point one FM, word radio dot Com
and the Word radio app. I want to welcome back
to the program, Pastor Ben Dixon, host of The Benjamin
Dixon Show.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Pastor Ben, welcome back to evening words. Uh, and thank
you for being here. Brother.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
I know you, I know you. I know you're busy.
I appreciate you taking time. Especially the rock will be
for a couple of secments, So I just want to
talk about it. I know you, you have a you
have a good mind for technology and around the Epstein styles.
Like we mentioned, it's the polity of distraction, but can.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
You talk to the top influencers on Twitter?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Not tough.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
We have the media hassan story we were We've talked
about this fake trumped up uh uh.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Telling it to the masses as if Donald Trump is
finally stepping up and release seeing the information, when in
reality it's not even a fraction.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's a fraction of the fraction of the of the material.
That said, it's also because he clearly is not giving
them what the people are doing.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Like we don't really care so much about whatever the
federal administration is going to do.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
God willing, I can live under the cloak of his protection.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But yeah, you know, I have to start with with
CBS right, because guess is, especially sixty minutes, I've seen
the complete through line that Charlomagne and God.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
If this goes as far as to bring to.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Us, yeah, God forbid, but there may not be any
way to avoid that. I want to stay here for
a minute, Pastor, but I you know, I know you're
writing about about whether or not and how we you
know's what's our accountability metrics for platforming hate and nazism?
This week, I'm writing about what are the kind of
small acts that individuals need to kind of embrace in
this moment where the rise of fascism is so perminent.
(44:59):
I don't want to dip into your pullpit notes for
this up coming week, but I'm curious as to you know,
what are what from your perspective.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
What are the ways that we have to resist this.
You and I have just kind of run down a
brief but I.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Think incisive articulation, especially on your part, of some of
the stories that are dominating the news in this country
on this Monday, July twenty first. That's a lot of hatred,
a bit of fascism, a lot of politics of distraction.
There's a lot there enough to overwhelm a WRD listener,
(45:36):
pastor Ben, And so what what are what's our what
are our countermeasures? What do we have in our toolkit
to to to resist, to react, to be proactive, and
to prepare ourselves for for whatever might be next.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
You get to forgive me for for checkling for those
of you who are watched the video, because I really
have an intellectual academic spin to yes.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
But I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm just mocking
these in cels.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I'm locking them.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I'm gonna keep it real with.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
You, die.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm mocking the fact that these fascists.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Who are on that video the media Son, they are
some of the most un sexed people virgins in the history.
Like they visually look exactly like you would expect a
person who can get lady. And I say that with
the love of Jesus Christ, because I know that the
number one way to deal with the fascist, especially one
(46:31):
that can't get laid, is to point out the fact
that you're a virgin and you're gonna die a virgin.
And you think that you're serving God with your virginity,
in cels, but in reality, you're gonna die a virgin.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Wake up in hell, a.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Dead virgin, and you're gonna turn around and be like, Lord,
didn't I serve you? And God was gonna be like
you might have been a virgin, but you were a
hate feel, bigoted, lying, racist virgin. So you might as well,
in Cels, might as well have gone and gotten laid
on this earth and just been a normal human being
instead of trying to overthrow democracy just because you can't
(47:04):
give no stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hallelujah, hold my goodness, way to bit.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
Wait, I gotta cancer our breath past and wait like
but we have to change with the hot sixty there,
I don't know, I don't wait wait, So.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
So it must have been.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
First of all, that's incredible. I appreciate your honesty. I
appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
But also, most importantly, I think you have shown a
thesis that's important here, that that the mockery of these
fascists is one of our most powerful tools.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Absolutely ridicule and scored.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
They are sensitive, they are fragile, they want to be
taken serious. But if you highlight the fut back that
there are nothing more than a joke, then that triggers them,
That that catches them off, kilture, that gets them off
balance because they've made these echo chambers of confidence.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I mean, you just sit back here.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
I mean, if you jump in my timeline, you see
one of the biggest tweets in the conversation about this,
this issue on Jubilee and Meddi Hassan and these fascists
is the fact that I had to point out, Bro,
you thought it was hard.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
To get laid before this you went on.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
There, and I mean, listen, I'm not a good looking brother.
I lived with physical injury, right, I've been injured since
I was I don't know, I got so many injuries
that you know, I kind of have a broken body.
But brother, I have never in my life had a
difficult time getting affection and attention from a woman because
I was equally ugly on the inside as I was
(48:33):
on the outside. Bro, I feel like I'm black and
ugly as Ever, however.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I married one of the most beautiful women in the country.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
So if these gentlemen would just get their acts together
and stop being asshole, excuse me, lord, then we would
absolutely they would absolutely be able to be normal, functioning civilian.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
So Pastor Bena'm having too much fun on my own
show here right now. I'm having too much fun on
my own show here right now. But let me just
be clear here as well that I'm laughing, but you're
talking about something that is actually quite serious, which is
an evolving in cell community.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
And I would love you to break that down for
our listeners.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, that is that is deeply entrenched in the politics
of grievance, generally directed at women, but also directed at
anybody else that they want to hate. And I'm thinking
about the comments that former President Barack Obama made on
Michelle Obama's podcast this very same stretch of the overture
(49:37):
window we're talking about, where he's like, and you know,
Obama's the consummate girl dad, and he's like, look, I
gotta admit that progresses or folks on left, whoever you
want to call him, have not been messaging to boys
in a way that's been constructed for boys.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Now I'm paraphrasing pastor Ben, but that's essentially what he said.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Now, the extreme outcome of that is the growth of
this in cell community that we're laughing at. But they
do pose a fairly serious challenge when you when you
look at mass shooters, when you look at toxicity on
the internet, there are things that we can tie back
to this community that are that are producing levels of
(50:13):
ill will and violence in our society that at.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Some point we're going to have to reckon with.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
So you and I laugh or I laugh, But there's
something serious here. Let's talk about this a little bit
paster man.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, So in cell stands for involuntary celibate and they've
named themselves this. This is the name they gave to themselves.
It's quite literally because they could not have sex. Nobody
wanted to have sex with them. Now you know that
we can talk about that on so many different levels,
but it is a hard thing growing up, and you
don't get you're not attracting the women the way.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
They believe that the majority of women in this world
are attracted to a minority of men in this sty Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, And they concocted man, I saw this many many
years ago on the forums back in the day. They've
concocted this thesis that if they conceize control all of
the government, change culture in a dramatic fashion, take us
back to a time before women had rights, then it
would be easier for them to get laid.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, they want the government to force women into
sexual services.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
These essy they see the Handmaid's Tale Pastor Ben, and
that's the future they want.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's the future. They won't all because they don't know
how to talk to women that I agree. There it is, there,
it is.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
And the truth of the matter is is that they
have organized. They have found each other online, they've organized.
They've taken a joke and they've built it into an ideology.
They have merged this ideology with the nationalist arm of
the Catholic Church. This where it gets real dangerous, because
the attendance at Catholic churches has risen and it's.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
All young, agreed, white. This is what you get those.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
Characters on the on the jubilee sho of media Islan
who claimed that they want a Catholic government.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Right, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And so they've married this idea that their celibacy, this
involuntary celibacy, is some type of morality and righteousness that
they can now present to God and say, I'm living
a righteous life and so God has now ordained me
to be a crusader. They go from being virgins to saying, okay,
(52:19):
now I want to go on a crusade and I
want to purge society of all of the infidels. That's
their goal, and that's the next move. And so to me,
I'm like, number one, if we're talking about God, you're
not going to heaven just because you're a virgin, my guide,
not when you have so much hatred in your heart.
So if that's your premise, let's expose that fallacy in
(52:40):
the first place. But then the number two, like, there's
just so many things about this that is lappable that
we shouldn't take seriously, even if we take them seriously,
Like we should not fear them, even if we've organize
around the fact that they're dangerous. So I'm not saying
we take them lightly. I'm saying that mocking them is
a strategic action. In the order of Mark Twain, I
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think one of the best things that we can do
is ridicule and score someone like Donald Trump. Never let
them have confidence that's necessary to go to the next level.
And so when the mockery, it's very intentional to fracture
their frame. If we don't crack people's frames open, and
all they do is just kind of have that masturbatory
kind of padding on the back.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Over and over again.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
You go from being drags on four Chune, on Internet
columns and channels in the privacy and the darkness right
to being able to go on the mainstream television internationally
and say I'm a proud fascist.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
So somewhere between there we got to break their confidence.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And no better way than to mock the pact that
they did all this because they couldn't get.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
Laid pastor Ben Dixon cracking frames of in cels and
fascists as daily practice. Brother, Thank you so much, thanks
taking time out of your cut. We gotta do this again, bro.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I know, I know, we spent a lot of time
on these away last week or so. We gotta go.
We gotta, we gotta, we gotta keep it up. We
gotta keep this work on. I want to have you
back on here as soon.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
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The piece I'm writing this week is grounded in robust argumentation.
Yes it does have an intellectual academic spend to it, Yes,
but I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm just mocking
these in cels. I'm locking the I'm just I'm gonna
keep it real with you, Doc, I'm mocking the fact
that these fascists who are on that video the media, Son,
(00:22):
they are some of the most un sex people virgins
in the history. Like they visually look exactly like you
would expect a person who can't get laid. And I
say that with the love of Jesus Christ, because I
know that the number one way to deal with the fascist,
especially one that can't get laid, is to point out
(00:43):
the fact that you're a virgin and you're gonna die
a virgin, and you think that you're serving God with
your virginity in cels, but in reality, you're gonna die
a virgin, wake up in Hell a dead virgin, and
you're gonna turn around and be like, Lord, didn't I
serve you? And God was gonna be like, you might
have been a virgin, but you were a hateful, digoted, lying,
racist urgeon, so you might as well, in cels might
(01:05):
as well have only got laid on this earth and
just been a normal human being instead of trying to
overthrow democracy just because you can't get no stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hallelujah. Oh my goodness. Wait a minute, wait, I gotta
catch my bed. Pastor waiting waits.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:41):
Welcome, ladies, gentlemen, and gender non conforming individuals to another
episode of The Benjamin Dixon Show. I am, of course
your host, Pastor Ben. Coming up, I'm gonna be sharing
an interview that I did with my good brother, doctor
James Peterson, who is the host of The Evening Word
on WURD in Philadelphia, where we discussed what we're gonna
(02:05):
discuss tonight, as well as what I'm writing about. The
fascist who showed up loud and proud to face the
entire world to let the world know that we're here
and they're queer. Well they won't admit that, but they're
(02:26):
here and they're proud to be demagogues, fascist Nazis. If
you had a chance to watch the Jubilee Media companies surrounded,
which I have some words for them as well. If
(02:46):
you saw the episode with Mehdi Hassan. Now, I'm not
gonna play a lot of clips here, if any at all,
because Jubilee Media is really good about flagging your account
and getting your video taken down or making sure that
they're not monetized. So I'm writing an article about it
where I will be quoting them. I got an entire
(03:10):
transcript of the entire hour and forty minute episode because
you really need to see something. I need you to
see and read and understand just how bold these in
cell fascist are. In cell. In cell is short for
involuntary celibate, meaning they can't have sex even if they
(03:33):
wanted to. Involuntary. I will celibate once. I would celibate
for four years once. It was very much on purpose. Okay,
I'm living quite the chaste life now. You know, I'm married,
(03:53):
so I'm not celibate by loan, but it's a very
you know, wonderful intimate love affair that I'm having with
my wife. We have three children, and I lived the
most chaste and holy life that I possibly can. Haven't
always been that way, don't mistake that I never forget
(04:14):
running into one of my listeners at a strip club.
So I'm not a perfect but I tell you, for
the last five years, in particular, I have been living
the absolute closest walk with the Lord Jesus Christ that
I possibly can. Why am I saying that? Because the
in cels have converted their involuntary celibacy, their anger, their
(04:42):
rage at the fact that they're so ugly on the
inside and the outside. Pause. Let me say something. I
am not a good looking dude by any measure. In fact,
I have been injured and living with injury so much
in my life. My body somewhat looks like a pretzel. Yes,
(05:02):
so I'm not stunting, I'm not flexing, I'm not flossing.
I'm just keeping it real. If I had been as
ugly on the inside as I am on the outside,
I never would have gotten married to the most beautiful
woman on the face of the planet, my Nepher TD.
If I had been as ugly on the inside as
I am on the outside, I would have also been
(05:24):
involuntary celibate like all of those people on the panel
with Mehdi Hassan last night the other day, depending on
when you're listening to this podcast. These men have created
an entire ideology and an entire worldview and agenda, the
plan to overthrow democracy so that they can force the government,
(05:47):
or rather use the government to force women into having
relations with them. I excuse my language. It's so hard
to do this this day and a without cussing. But
I shit you not. This is why I'm not pastoring
right now. Pastor Jade of my wife, my beautiful wife,
(06:08):
mother of my three children. She has taken the helm.
She is a very anointed woman of God, one of
the most prepared ministers of any gender. She is prepared,
and she is preaching, and she is pastoring because I
had to get in these streets to confront some Nazis,
and it's kind of hard for me to do it
with one hand tied behind my back. Sometimes I have
(06:29):
to use the holy profane, the profane, holy prophetic word.
Sometimes you got to put a little more emphasis on it.
I don't want my kids to listen to this because
I don't want them to try because somebody have to
pop up in the mouth that they said so profantity.
But y'all got to forgive me. Some devils don't go out, yes,
but by prayer and fasting. But also you gotta give
(06:51):
them some get right. And these ugly I mean, they
are some of the most mouth formed i'd looking. And
I'm only saying this because they're as ugly on the
inside as they are on the outside. That's why you're
a virgin. Connor from the episode last night, who was
(07:13):
so proud to say he doesn't believe in democracy, so
proud to say that he believes in autocracy, dictatorship, so
proud to say that he wanted to use the First
Amendment to get rid of the First Amendment rights for
everyone else, so proud of his hypocrisy, so proud of
his arrogance, so proud to be called a fascist and
to call himself a fascist. He forgot to mention that
he's an insult. He forgot to mention that he's a
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virgin and can't get any sexual relations if he paid
for it. He forgot to mention that that is the
driving force behind their ideology. That's why they're so bitter,
that's why they're so angry because some girl turned them
down along the way and they never recovered. Well, my friend,
if you just had a little bit of charisma, just
(08:00):
a little bit of I don't even want to use
the word swagger, but it helps. If you had just
a little bit of talk game, you would understand like
I understand, like I've learned from Biggie Small. I might
be fat, black and ugly as ever, however I still
I stay coogie down, not kuchie, but coogie c O
O j I E G G I E. I forgot
how to spell it. It's a brand, it's a fashion.
(08:22):
I don't want anybody to say out here saying the
pastor bin is talking about getting kouchie. I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about the fact that these incels
can't get no KOUCHI forgive me, Lord, I got to
just say it like it is. And because they can't
have sexual relations with the feminine, I mean they I'm
(08:42):
sure they get plenty of of of h Okay, I'm
gonna be careful here, I'm not gonna get myself canceled.
But the circle jerk that they are involved in in Nazism,
they follow Nick Fuintes, who is the leading He's so
homo erotic, he's so he's I mean, there's nothing right. Listen,
(09:02):
if you like as long as you like consenting adults.
I am of the opinion so long as that you
are with a consenting adult of whatever gender, that is
your business. It is when you force yourself on someone
and someone young, which brings me to another thing. Can
I just go on a little tangent real quick, I've
(09:24):
got I'm gonna I'm gonna go down a lot of films,
kind of like that other guy with Eddie, Eddie who
was twitching. He had a whole lot of information. I'll
give Eddie that much. Eddie had a lot of data,
but he his data was being used incorrectly, and I
didn't I believe that he did not believe that Maddi,
his son, was going to be as well read as him.
(09:47):
The arrogance of this uneducated white man. He read a
lot of articles, he had a lot of data, but
he I believe that he presumed Eddie presumed that he
was going to be able to trip up Mattie Hassan.
Shout out to Meddi Hassan, who follows me on Twitter.
I just want to say that you know he knows me.
(10:09):
Meddi has son, who is one of the most brilliant
debaters in the history of debate. That is one brother,
I do not ever want to get on the wrong
side of and have to debate ever, ever, period, point blank.
And here Eddie was trying to trip him up with
data and and and he was going, he was stemmying,
(10:31):
he was going through all kinds of stems, and I
get it as myself. I'm I'm I'm you know, listen,
I'm not diagnosed with anything. I'm not even diagnosed with
a partially broken neck. But I've been living with a
partially broken neck for a very long time. So when
I say I'm a bit autistic, it's not diagnosed. It's
because I'm starting to recognize I've got some peculiarities about myself.
(10:51):
I'm rather neuro divergent. Okay, So when I say this,
I'm not saying it from an ablest perspective. I'm saying
it like DJ Exclusive, my my dj On Satdur in
the mornings, who looks like a bouncer, but he's proudly
from the lgbt quy A community. So when he calls
someone gay, DJ Exclusive is saying it from within the community.
(11:12):
So when I talk about Eddie's twitches and his neuro
divergent kind of stamped stemming and you know, kind of
following and twitching and all the stuff that he was doing.
I don't say it to insult him, but I will
talk about his peculiarly you know, his his really strange face.
You know his face, you know, really weird looking brother.
(11:32):
And again I'm saying that I'm an ugly dude. Okay,
So from the community of ugliness, I can say that
those were some of the most ugly people on the
inside and on the outside that I have ever seen.
These were not dapper Nazis. Mother Jones article from years ago.
(11:54):
Who who started this foolishness? If you asked me writing
an article about dapper Nazis, Nazi are to be punched.
According to the principles of the people of good faith.
As best as I can tell, one of the pre
eminent axioms and rules of the people of good faith
is that Nazi lives don't matter. I'm wild, y'all. I
(12:19):
had such a good time with doctor James Peters, and
this brother is brilliant, and to be able to sit
in a room with him digitally and just discuss matters
of brilliance and black brilliance, and then we just started
cracking up, laughing. We had such a good time in
the short time that I had with them. I'm going
to play a clip of that, but I just kind
of want to just really make something plain and you'll
(12:40):
be able to read it in the article tomorrow the article.
And I'm not pulling any punches on these devils when
your intention is to cause harm to my people are
the friends of mine. When Eddie, Eddie, who was the
weird face shaped face looking guy, he was buff, you know,
he was buff, but his face was unusually round for
(13:02):
a guy who's so buff, like you know, you know,
he needs to do some of that mewing. Is that
called mewing where you do the chin exercises to get
a firm chin. I can't even do that. Like again,
like to look at me might be to kind of
be disturbing because my body is kind of shaped a
little bit like a pretzel. If I were to keep
it one hundred with you and never really said that
publicly before, because it took me some years to actually
(13:24):
deal with the physical trauma that my body has been
living in since I was I don't know, first accident
was eight years old, then twelve years old. I got
in another biking accident, and then fourteen years old, I
got in got hit so hard on the football field
I flipped three times. I remember seeing the sky twice
and the ground twice, and then woke up and walked
home two miles with a half broken neck. And you know,
(13:47):
you know how insurance is set up in the United
States of America, So I never got my half broken
neck looked at. But I've just been living with it.
And then actually it actually even got worse. Somewhere around
twenty two. My dad was and I was wrestling, and
he accidentally dropped me on my neck. So you know,
I've been messed up for a long time. You know,
not pleasant to look at, but I've never had difficulty.
(14:11):
I mean, it wasn't easy. Now, women weren't just throwing
themselves at me. I'm not gonna say that lie. In fact,
I understand the pain of the in cels. I understand
what it's like to want to be desired, to want
somebody to look at you and to desire you, and
to pursue you with the y'all know when a woman
(14:32):
wants you, come on, when a woman really wants you,
she pursues you like nobody's business, and to not have
that as much as you want is fracturing. It ruptures
your psyche. Everybody wants to be desired, and what the
(14:53):
in cells have done because they are as ugly on
the inside as they are on the outside. That's the thing.
If you had just a little bit of charisma, if
you weren't such an arrogant, pompous, narcissistic set of pricks,
your ugliness on the outside would not have prevented you
(15:16):
from enjoying on occasion, not every time you wanted it. Man,
you should expect if you're not a certain heighten, a
certain physique, that you're gonna get turned down more. But
it's you know, it's a numbers game. You go out
there and be nice, you be kind and be respectful,
and then eventually you're gonna have some girls that do
throw themselves at you. Now, I'm not going to recount
(15:38):
for you all on this episode or ever. All I'm
gonna say is that's how I got my wife cause
I had a little bit of talk game. I knew
how to make her giggle. I realized a long time ago,
if you can make a woman genuinely giggle, kind of giggle. Oh,
(16:01):
everything else works itself out. But we're dealing with a
generation of involuntary celibates who think that they have a
right to stand with a level of arrogance and demand
come over here, woman and give me some sex. And
when they get turned down, they start organizing, quite literally organizing,
(16:23):
creating a philosophy and a worldview to demand that the
government compel women to give them sex. This is where
it all began. This is part and parcel of the
reason where we are. MAGA has been using the the
(16:43):
unlimited supply of fuel that comes from men who can't
get sex. That's as nice as I can. They have
been using that energy to drive their movement. And here's
the thing for MAGA that they don't realize they could
never control that movement. That movement is almost in a
position to control them. And this is how we are
(17:08):
where we are. Want you to paulsn't really think about it.
What does it mean for Fast just to be able
to come out of the closet and be so loud
and bold and brave. See, this is why you have
to punch Nazis early and not me. I'm too small.
I'm just I'm like five to seven. Most of the
people on the video last night probably would beat my
(17:30):
ass really good. But I'm fast. I'm fast for a
guy with broken ankles, sprained ankles. I don't know. I'll
get to a doctor one day. Insurance is too expensive
in the United States of America. I've just had to live.
I've had to survive. I've had to move on. And
as long as I could, you know, march in the
marching band, and as long as I could do the
dance routine, and as long as I could, you know,
(17:51):
do my thing. When I had to do my thing,
I had never really you know, I stayed alive. But
I'm fast, though, so they'd have to catch me. You know,
that's my advantage. I talk fast that I run fast.
I'm sorry. I had too much fun with doctor Peterson,
so I'm going to play that tonight. But tomorrow I'm
(18:11):
going to publish this article, because I do. I am
going to take some time to scorn and mock these
in cells, but I'm also going to break down for
you the cycles and the patterns of what this really is. Right,
there's something, there's something universal and fractal, fr act al, fractal.
(18:33):
It repeats throughout history. It repeats across levels of existence.
What do I mean like? It repeats in an individual
person's life, It repeats in a community's life, it repeats
in a nation's life, and it repeats in the lives
of humanity as a whole. A cyclical reality of scapegoating,
of being alienated, and taking that anger and that rage
(18:57):
from your alienation, from you not being able to accomplish it,
to achieve what you want. In particular, it's it's it's
extremely Germane. When you can't get the women that you want.
Oh man, When men can't get the women that they want,
they become violent creatures. And I wasn't above that either.
I wasn't always you know, the dapper don you know
(19:19):
pretzel that I am. That's why I wear suits all
the time. Did you know that I wear suits all
the time because I take that suit off you, Oh,
put the suit back on, Put the jacket back on. Brother.
I haven't always been charismatic, and I haven't always been
(19:41):
knowledgeable of just how to be a good person. Right,
it's not game, it's not it's not talk game. I mean,
I got talk game. Don't get don't get me twisted there, right,
I can talk myself into a fight and talk myself
out of a fight as quickly as I talk myself
into it. You know, you gotta be able to commun unicate.
You gotta be able to talk to a woman. You
(20:02):
gotta be able to just be cool, be cool and
chill and talk to her. And I take arrogance and
pompousness and narcissism and try to make them little don't
why why believe what is this? We're gonna get to
this episode, We're gonna get to a whole lot more.
And then when I play this clip with the conversation
(20:23):
I had with doctor Peterson, it was a great time.
Love that brother, brilliant brother. Y'all go and subscribe to
wherever you find him, Go and follow w U r
D in Philadelphia. I didn't even ask them permission to
get this video, so I don't know if this is
okay or not. I hope it's okay doctor Peterson. If not,
just you know, tell me next time, and I won't
do it again. But I you know, but I'm gonna
(20:45):
be real with you all.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It is.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
A problem for democracy that we have so many entitled
men who believe they have the right to women's bodies,
and I wasn't always freed from that patriarchy. To be sure,
I had to come to a point in my life
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and accept that I am not entitled to a woman's body.
I am not entitled to sexual pleasure from a woman.
I had to accept that in marriage. You know what
these Catholic nationalists like Nick Fointes believe. He literally said it.
I don't know if I feel like looking up the
clip for you, I might drop it in here. If
(21:32):
you don't hear it. That means I didn't feel like
looking it up, but you could look it up yourself.
Nick fin Fintes believes that women must in marriage give
sex to the man no matter what, and for them
not to give sex to a man no matter what
is a deadly sin. What do you mean, Nick, You
mean you're gonna kill your wife if she doesn't give
it up to you when you want it on demand.
(21:56):
This is the mentality of these boys. They're not men,
they're boys. And that's an insult to boys, because even
my young boys, my sons, know better than this. They're children.
But that's an insult to children because most children have
better sensibilities and manners and know how to treat people
(22:18):
better than that they know that their body and somebody
else's body and then or not to touch each other.
We teach them some basic rules as children, and we've
got grown men who don't understand how to respect the autonomy.
So now we have a whole movement of involuntary celibates
(22:39):
who then became fascists, and they wrapped their involuntary celibacy
in the language of Christianity, particularly particularly Christian or Catholic nationalism,
and they believe that they are walking wholly before God
(23:00):
because they're virgins. But you're not a virgin by choice,
my dude, you're a virgin because you can't get none,
because you are as ugly on the inside as you
are on the outside. And here I am ugly as
ever on the outside. With with you know, some really
(23:21):
beautiful women in my past, but the most beautiful of
all in my present the mother of my children, Pastor Jada.
That girl's pretty. I looked at her. I look at
her any given day, and I'm like, man, you know what,
I would always choose her out of every room I
go into. This there's not a room I would go into.
(23:42):
I don't care how fine and pretty the other one.
Ain't none of them prettier than my wife. And here
we are, raising three beautiful kids, and I'm walking around
the house looking like a half broken pretzel with a
half broken neck a little bit of See you know,
it's not it's not easy to look at me. And
yet I'm not an insult. And yet yeah, had a
(24:06):
pretty healthy, robust life.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Read between the lines. I'm not gonna brag on that
that parts. But forgetting those things which are behind, forgetting
those things which are behind, I press towards the mark.
Here's the thing I want to say to the involuntary
celibates who are listening. If you've listened this far and
you haven't been so triggered that you through your computer,
your phone, or your radio across the room, if if
(24:34):
if in this process of being fake about your celibacy,
because that's what you are, let's be for real. You
didn't go to God. You didn't go to Christ out
of genuine pursuit of Christ. You looked at yourself and
says self, I'm gonna be a virgin for the rest
of my life. So what can I do with this?
And someone told you, hey, that might work. Out really
(24:56):
good if you go into the Catholic Church, because they
take a vow of celibacy. Now they took a vow
of celibacy, you just couldn't get none. But let me
stop rubbing it in, because here's the truth of the matter.
Here's what I really do advocate now in this part
of my life, when I have really matured to the
point of accepting that I am not entitled to a
(25:21):
woman's body, not even my wife's. When my wife is ready,
then we're gonna have a good time. If she's not, eh,
I gotta do something else with my time. I need
to go to work. You know, I'm I. You know,
I honestly I don't. I don't watch pornography, not that
(25:41):
I never did. What was that the bang Burrows and
the bus. I'm just I just want to I want
to keep it real with you. I have not always
been as good of a Christian as I am now. Right.
But but when my wife says she's not in the mood,
(26:03):
I don't get mad at her. I move along and
I go on about my life and I accept it.
I don't go and watch porn, I don't do anything.
I just accept the fact that well, I'm just gonna
have to wait a couple of days, sometimes, you know,
more days than I might like. But that's neither here
nor there. The point is is that where I am
in my life and the level of respect that I
(26:25):
give not only my wife, but I give myself now
to accept that I'm not an animal that has to
just get it when I want to get it and
have to get it. But I'm a man, I'm a human.
I'm a person, and I can control myself. And it
(26:45):
is in that self control that is voluntary. Of course,
I can, you know, I can. I can nudge my
wife alone. I know how to entice her. I can
you know, I know what she likes to be kissed. Yeah,
so I am very capable of self control. Is the
(27:07):
point in cells, When you have actual self control, there
is a level. I'm talking to the in cels, especially
the Catholic in cels, the ones who think that they're
doing something for God. I want to tell you something.
When you actually have self control and self control goes beyond,
(27:30):
my friends, It goes beyond sexuality. Self control goes into
can you control your anger? Can you control that hatred
that's in you, that bigotry that's in you. You don't
even know why you're upset with that person. Can you
control yourself though? Can you not snap when you want
(27:51):
to snap? Can you control your temper? Can you control
your rage? Can you control yourself when you're in the
momentum of the crowd, when the crowd is moving in
a direction? Can you control yourself and say no, I'm
not going that way? Because if you can control yourself,
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I'm talking to the Catholic and the Christians and the Believers,
the Protestant and whatever you know, I'm talking to those
in cels. If and when you can truly have self
control over every aspect of your life, I want to
tell you a big secret. Then you'll hear from the Lord.
(28:36):
Then you will receive divine transmissions. How do I know?
Because I've got catalogs, I've got books, I've got volumes
of information that the Lord has been transmitting to me.
And actually, let me correct myself. God isn't just transmitting
to Ben Dixon. No, there's a transmission occurring at all
(29:00):
all times, on all channels, on all frequencies, at every
point in time, space and in between dimension. The same
message is being transmitted on all frequencies, but you cannot
hear it if you don't have actual self control, not
involuntary celibacy. That and the fact that being an insuel
(29:27):
and being a virgin is not the key to get
into heaven. You dummies, You're not gonna go to heaven
just because you're a virgin. How stupid are you? People?
You're you're a bigoted asshole on earth? Excuse me, lord,
You're you're you are a narcissistic, mean spirited, selfish, murderous,
(29:53):
power hungry, little scrawny little bastard. And you think just
because you're not getting sex that you're somehow going to heaven.
Oh my god. Oh I was gonna say, who have
y'all been listening to? But clearly you've been listening to
the homo erotic, homo suppressed Nick Fuintes, who constantly talks
(30:19):
about and flirts with you all. Do you all not
see him flirting with you in every episode? He's trying
to convince you in cells to sleep with him rather
than sleeping with women. He literally said, sleeping with women
is gay. That's who you've been following, and that's why
your minds are so twisted and distorted that you actually
think that you're going to heaven because you're a virgin. Meanwhile,
(30:43):
you are an evil, sadistic fascist like everyone on that
panel that attacked Mehdi has Son last night. I'm gonna
go here because I want to make sure I get
this episode out tonight tomorrow. I'm dropping the article where
I break this down. I am going to mock them
(31:05):
just a little bit, maybe the first three paragraphs. I'm
going to mock them. Yes, And if it sounds a
little bit ablest, it's only because I'm from the disabled
community myself. Might we debate about this in my household?
Am I disabled? Is injured? Being injured the same as disabled?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
So I'm not looking to claim it. I'm not like
trying to do the oppression Olympics. But I'm trying to
come to terms with something I was oblivious to living
in shock for like twenty years. You know, you get
so used to the injuries that you forget you have them.
I was, Oh, I'm so glad I lived before cell
(31:47):
phones were ubiquitous, because man, I was so un I
was so oblivious. My homeboys, remember this. I was so
oblivious to my injuries and how absolutely, like extreme they
are that I was in a club dancing with these
beautiful women, like we had a good time. Like I
still could dance, you know what I mean. That's why
I never knew something was wrong with me. I'm in
(32:07):
the club dancing in my early twenties before I met
my wife. Obviously, I'm in the club dancing. We just
the boots, the booms, the boots, the boom. It was,
you know, it was a little club down in South Florida.
The music going off, and you know, the drinks were
flying around, and the women were hot, and I'm on
the dance floor and moving and I messed around. I
had on a wife beater of you know, a T
shirt underneath, and I took off my shirt and start
(32:29):
swinging around and and I don't think the music actually stopped,
but it feels like in retrospect the music stopped and
the bouncer was like, sir, put your shirt back on. Anyways,
here's me with doctor James Peterson. We had a great conversation.
(32:53):
I want you guys to be sure to tune in
tomorrow for another episode, but also to get this article
because I want to breakdown for you what's actually happening.
All right, folks, that's this is probably going to be
the end of what you hear from me. At the
end of this interview, I'm going to cut out with
the music and the outro, and I'll see you the
w r D.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
S at wordradio dot com. Folks, I am super excited
introduce my next guest, Pastor Ben Dixon, host of the
Ben Dixon Podcast and one of the greatest interviews of
all time. Welcome to Evening.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Words, Brother, how are you?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It as an honor and a pleasure to be here
with you in wr D in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Brus Great. It's great to have you on.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I'm serious about that that you know I didn't and
we taped an interview with me on your show about
a week ago, and it's easily the most comprehensive interview
that I've given this year, and probably even over the
last year and a half or more. So I appreciate
that I got to make sure I check it out
whenever that episode drops. Pastor Ben, just a lot of
(33:59):
things you and I could talk about here today, but
I am going to assume that you've seen some of
the clips from Mehdi Hassan's take takedown of the of
the circle of twenty or so Nazis on the Jubilee
program for for for folks in our listening audience who
maybe you know, don't follow Medi Hassan or don't follow Zitail,
(34:23):
give us a little backdrop about Medi Hassan and then
let's get into uh this this this to him just
destroying these right wing extremist Nazi types. Uh in debate fashion,
on on on on the Jubilee program.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It was spectacular, wasn't a brother talking in his in
terms of his performance. It was terrifying in terms of
how proud and loud these fascists are. But Medi Hassan
is a British American naturalized citizen, right, He's an immigrant,
he is of Indian descent, and he is a Muslim.
Just giving you all the categories that he falls into,
(35:00):
your audience, But one of the most brilliant and most
prolific debaters I have ever seen. He is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He is one person I would not want to go
up against and debate.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But that didn't stop a lot of confident, misinformed, valid informed,
uninformed Nazis from trying to not only compete with him,
but to intimidate him. With their brashness. They were unashamed
self avowed fascists, like literally came out of their mouths.
The fact that they want to destroy democracy, the fact
(35:33):
that they want to get rid of people like him,
the fact that they think Donald Trump should go even
further in terms of violating the constitution.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I mean, they're they're folks. Folks.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
If you just google Meddi Hassan, me d Hi Hassan,
put that in your Google machine, it will take you
right to the story.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is one of the biggest stories on social media
right now. I don't know when they take.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
This interview this weekend, but if on my social media fees,
this is the biggest story and there's multiple clips circulating
of him. Literally, let me set the stage for you
and the I'm gonn pass it back to pastor been
for the for the breakdown. Basically, the way this show
is taped is you have an individual that sits at
a table in the midst of a circle, and there
are about a couple of dozen people surrounding this person
(36:16):
in the shop. And then one by one, each of
the folks come from that circle and sit at the
table with this individual, allegedly to debate him.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Or her.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Now, I don't know how it was set up that
they put Mehdi Hassan pastor Ben in a room with
a bunch of literal Nazis, Like, these are literally people
who support These are quote unquote Americans who support autocracy,
who support fascism, who believe that the only real citizens
of this nation are are are white folks. They are
they are they are unabashedly white nationalists. These are folks
(36:47):
who who who support the genocide in Gaza. These are
people who, uh who who who believe that that they
don't believe necessarily in the Holocaust, They support and sometimes
embrace the Lake being a Nazi.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, and so go ahead aheadass yeah, No, that's exactly
who they are.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And I have to call out Jubilee Media, that's the
company that does this show, calls Surrounded, and I'm calling
them out not only here but in a piece that
I'm writing about this, because they intentionally had to go
and find the most racist, bigoted, Like it's hard to
find a whole lot of people that would get on
international streaming to the tune of millions and millions of
(37:29):
views and just openly yeah, I'm a fascist and I'm
proud of it, but Jubilee Media found them and it
shows that they have no concern about this country or
about democracy. They only want the clicks. And I think
even further than that, I've noticed a trend over the
year or two that they've been doing this, that they
have pushed the envelope further and further in terms of
(37:51):
the type of guests that they allow on opening the
Overton window now to where we're dealing with Nazis on
their platform.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
So I'm conflicted on this a little bit. I agree
with you that Jubilee should be held accountable for this.
We shouldn't be platforming Nazis. I think the question is
is is it better for us to have Mehdi Hassan
intellectually assassinate these folks on this platform or should we
(38:20):
just not provide a platform for.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This level of ignorance and hate. I mean, the reason why.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I'm conflicted about that is because I actually believe that
those twenty individuals, with all their hate and their fascism,
and their support of autocracy, their denial of Holocaust, their
support of genocide and Palistan, I actually believe that they
represent the way that some people think in this country.
By the way, most of these folks are young folks,
(38:47):
just to be clear of for our listening audience. These
are mostly young folks. They're mostly white, but not all white.
They're mostly wipe it out well, they're mostly male, but
not all male, but they are younger generation folks. Pastor Ben,
I think they do represent people who think and feel
that way, although they may not be as vocal or
as stupid to come on YouTube and talk about it,
but they represent people who feel that way in this country.
(39:09):
I'm conflicting as to whether or not the value of
medi hassan dissecting them that way in such an efficient, powerful,
and really constructive way, if you will, versus not having
that hate on any platform in the first place.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I feel that conflict that you're feeling. I think
I'm with you about ninety percent. But where do they
go from here?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Who's next? Because they're pushing.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
If they're doing this for sensationalism, then they've got to
push the envelope even further. And then at what point
do we say these are ideas that we can't, as
a matter of a structured society allow to be this
promoted on this level of a platform. I think really
did a wonderful job. But the alternate side of that
(40:00):
is the fact that there are a lot of Nazis
who are proud today all through social media, who are
heralding these individuals. And when we see the asymmetry doc
in terms of that algorithm, you know, they've got plenty
of platforms, they've got plenty of outlets, they have plenty
of push and algorithmic support, and the voices that come
(40:21):
back to them, we're the ones that are marginalized in
a significant fashion. So I really kind of believe in
the policy that Bill Clinton got rid of.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
The fairness doctrine.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Right there needs to be a truly fair and balanced representation,
and I think that they have some responsibility to say
these are not our ideals, right, They need to make
some kind of statement to that effect.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's a crazy mixed up world. But how do we
handle it. I don't know. We just have to work
our way through at one debate at a time. Apparently
it is a.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Bizarre world, pastor Ben because those right wing, for first
of all, the algorithms on x are elevating those clips,
push them out to promote those views. But I it's
I'm watching the same things that these right wingers on
social media are watching. I'm seeing interpreting as medi hissan
(41:11):
is dismantling them intellectually, and they're seeing it as their victory.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Like these folks are doing exactly they're they're getting it off,
they're doing it.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
How can we how can we be literally in the
same ways but see things so differently in this world?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, so they've gotten rid of the concept of a
shared truth, right, They've they've gotten rid of any notion
of objective reality. And that's because truth is an enemy
to them, and so they have created these echo chambers,
these silos where they can be comforted amongst each other.
So long as there's somebody that will retweet them, they
don't mind going out there and saying, hey, this guy
(41:48):
did a spectacular job, when in reality he got completely decimated.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Although really matters is that their echo chamber gives them
a pad on the back. And so now we have.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Conflicting and contrasting echo chamber of truth and we just
simply don't have a shared reality anymore.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But that's the craziest though. They think that we're in
the echo chamber.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, yeah, they really do. They They they have mastered
the art of projection. I mean they've they've created this
perfectly her medically sealed bubble for themselves and without the
ability to rupture it, no one can get through to them.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
They have a level of confidence that will allow them.
I mean, just really think about it.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's it's they are so confident in their Nazism that
they went on you know, for lack of a better phrase.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
International television.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, everybody in the world is going to see them,
and they're so confident in it, And that shows you
just how hermetically sealed their realities are. Without anyone intervening
to compete or to challenge their frame, They're just in
this one circle of when it's that phrase, but they
really just patting each other on the back and saying,
(42:56):
you're doing really good.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Really reality, they're they're really in bizarro world.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
It is masturbatory, though in the sense that it is
designed to to to stoke a certain level of ignorance
within their own uh contest.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I could talk about this all day, but I want
to move on to some other things.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Pastor Ben Back on w r D nine hundred a
M ninety six point one FM, word radio dot Com
and the Word radio app. I want to welcome back
to the program, Pastor Ben Dixon, host of The Benjamin
Dixon Show.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Pastor Ben, welcome back to evening words. Uh, and thank
you for being here. Brother.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
I know you, I know you. I know you're busy.
I appreciate you taking time. Especially the rock will be
for a couple of secments, So I just want to
talk about it. I know you, you have a you
have a good mind for technology and around the Epstein styles.
Like we mentioned, it's the polity of distraction, but can.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
You talk to the top influencers on Twitter?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Not tough.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
We have the media hassan story we were We've talked
about this fake trumped up uh uh.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Telling it to the masses as if Donald Trump is
finally stepping up and release seeing the information, when in
reality it's not even a fraction.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's a fraction of the fraction of the of the material.
That said, it's also because he clearly is not giving
them what the people are doing.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Like we don't really care so much about whatever the
federal administration is going to do.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
God willing, I can live under the cloak of his protection.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
But yeah, you know, I have to start with with
CBS right, because guess is, especially sixty minutes, I've seen
the complete through line that Charlomagne and God.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
If this goes as far as to bring to.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Us, yeah, God forbid, but there may not be any
way to avoid that. I want to stay here for
a minute, Pastor, but I you know, I know you're
writing about about whether or not and how we you
know's what's our accountability metrics for platforming hate and nazism?
This week, I'm writing about what are the kind of
small acts that individuals need to kind of embrace in
this moment where the rise of fascism is so perminent.
(44:59):
I don't want to dip into your pullpit notes for
this up coming week, but I'm curious as to you know,
what are what from your perspective.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
What are the ways that we have to resist this.
You and I have just kind of run down a
brief but I.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Think incisive articulation, especially on your part, of some of
the stories that are dominating the news in this country
on this Monday, July twenty first. That's a lot of hatred,
a bit of fascism, a lot of politics of distraction.
There's a lot there enough to overwhelm a WRD listener,
(45:36):
pastor Ben, And so what what are what's our what
are our countermeasures? What do we have in our toolkit
to to to resist, to react, to be proactive, and
to prepare ourselves for for whatever might be next.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
You get to forgive me for for checkling for those
of you who are watched the video, because I really
have an intellectual academic spin to yes.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
But I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm just mocking
these in cels.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I'm locking them.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I'm gonna keep it real with.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
You, die.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm mocking the fact that these fascists.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Who are on that video the media Son, they are
some of the most un sexed people virgins in the history.
Like they visually look exactly like you would expect a
person who can get lady. And I say that with
the love of Jesus Christ, because I know that the
number one way to deal with the fascist, especially one
(46:31):
that can't get laid, is to point out the fact
that you're a virgin and you're gonna die a virgin.
And you think that you're serving God with your virginity,
in cels, but in reality, you're gonna die a virgin.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Wake up in hell, a.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Dead virgin, and you're gonna turn around and be like, Lord,
didn't I serve you? And God was gonna be like
you might have been a virgin, but you were a
hate feel, bigoted, lying, racist virgin. So you might as well,
in Cels, might as well have gone and gotten laid
on this earth and just been a normal human being
instead of trying to overthrow democracy just because you can't
(47:04):
give no stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hallelujah, hold my goodness, way to bit.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
Wait, I gotta cancer our breath past and wait like
but we have to change with the hot sixty there,
I don't know, I don't wait wait, So.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
So it must have been.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
First of all, that's incredible. I appreciate your honesty. I
appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
But also, most importantly, I think you have shown a
thesis that's important here, that that the mockery of these
fascists is one of our most powerful tools.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Absolutely ridicule and scored.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
They are sensitive, they are fragile, they want to be
taken serious. But if you highlight the fut back that
there are nothing more than a joke, then that triggers them,
That that catches them off, kilture, that gets them off
balance because they've made these echo chambers of confidence.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I mean, you just sit back here.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
I mean, if you jump in my timeline, you see
one of the biggest tweets in the conversation about this,
this issue on Jubilee and Meddi Hassan and these fascists
is the fact that I had to point out, Bro,
you thought it was hard.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
To get laid before this you went on.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
There, and I mean, listen, I'm not a good looking brother.
I lived with physical injury, right, I've been injured since
I was I don't know, I got so many injuries
that you know, I kind of have a broken body.
But brother, I have never in my life had a
difficult time getting affection and attention from a woman because
I was equally ugly on the inside as I was
(48:33):
on the outside. Bro, I feel like I'm black and
ugly as Ever, however.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I married one of the most beautiful women in the country.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
So if these gentlemen would just get their acts together
and stop being asshole, excuse me, lord, then we would
absolutely they would absolutely be able to be normal, functioning civilian.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
So Pastor Bena'm having too much fun on my own
show here right now. I'm having too much fun on
my own show here right now. But let me just
be clear here as well that I'm laughing, but you're
talking about something that is actually quite serious, which is
an evolving in cell community.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
And I would love you to break that down for
our listeners.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, that is that is deeply entrenched in the politics
of grievance, generally directed at women, but also directed at
anybody else that they want to hate. And I'm thinking
about the comments that former President Barack Obama made on
Michelle Obama's podcast this very same stretch of the overture
(49:37):
window we're talking about, where he's like, and you know,
Obama's the consummate girl dad, and he's like, look, I
gotta admit that progresses or folks on left, whoever you
want to call him, have not been messaging to boys
in a way that's been constructed for boys.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Now I'm paraphrasing pastor Ben, but that's essentially what he said.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Now, the extreme outcome of that is the growth of
this in cell community that we're laughing at. But they
do pose a fairly serious challenge when you when you
look at mass shooters, when you look at toxicity on
the internet, there are things that we can tie back
to this community that are that are producing levels of
(50:13):
ill will and violence in our society that at.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Some point we're going to have to reckon with.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
So you and I laugh or I laugh, But there's
something serious here. Let's talk about this a little bit
paster man.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, So in cell stands for involuntary celibate and they've
named themselves this. This is the name they gave to themselves.
It's quite literally because they could not have sex. Nobody
wanted to have sex with them. Now you know that
we can talk about that on so many different levels,
but it is a hard thing growing up, and you
don't get you're not attracting the women the way.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
They believe that the majority of women in this world
are attracted to a minority of men in this sty Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, And they concocted man, I saw this many many
years ago on the forums back in the day. They've
concocted this thesis that if they conceize control all of
the government, change culture in a dramatic fashion, take us
back to a time before women had rights, then it
would be easier for them to get laid.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, they want the government to force women into
sexual services.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
These essy they see the Handmaid's Tale Pastor Ben, and
that's the future they want.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's the future. They won't all because they don't know
how to talk to women that I agree. There it is, there,
it is.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
And the truth of the matter is is that they
have organized. They have found each other online, they've organized.
They've taken a joke and they've built it into an ideology.
They have merged this ideology with the nationalist arm of
the Catholic Church. This where it gets real dangerous, because
the attendance at Catholic churches has risen and it's.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
All young, agreed, white. This is what you get those.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
Characters on the on the jubilee sho of media Islan
who claimed that they want a Catholic government.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Right, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And so they've married this idea that their celibacy, this
involuntary celibacy, is some type of morality and righteousness that
they can now present to God and say, I'm living
a righteous life and so God has now ordained me
to be a crusader. They go from being virgins to saying, okay,
(52:19):
now I want to go on a crusade and I
want to purge society of all of the infidels. That's
their goal, and that's the next move. And so to me,
I'm like, number one, if we're talking about God, you're
not going to heaven just because you're a virgin, my guide,
not when you have so much hatred in your heart.
So if that's your premise, let's expose that fallacy in
(52:40):
the first place. But then the number two, like, there's
just so many things about this that is lappable that
we shouldn't take seriously, even if we take them seriously,
Like we should not fear them, even if we've organize
around the fact that they're dangerous. So I'm not saying
we take them lightly. I'm saying that mocking them is
a strategic action. In the order of Mark Twain, I
(53:03):
think one of the best things that we can do
is ridicule and score someone like Donald Trump. Never let
them have confidence that's necessary to go to the next level.
And so when the mockery, it's very intentional to fracture
their frame. If we don't crack people's frames open, and
all they do is just kind of have that masturbatory
kind of padding on the back.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Over and over again.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
You go from being drags on four Chune, on Internet
columns and channels in the privacy and the darkness right
to being able to go on the mainstream television internationally
and say I'm a proud fascist.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
So somewhere between there we got to break their confidence.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And no better way than to mock the pact that
they did all this because they couldn't get.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
Laid pastor Ben Dixon cracking frames of in cels and
fascists as daily practice. Brother, Thank you so much, thanks
taking time out of your cut. We gotta do this again, bro.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I know, I know, we spent a lot of time
on these away last week or so. We gotta go.
We gotta, we gotta, we gotta keep it up. We
gotta keep this work on. I want to have you
back on here as soon.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
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