July 31, 2025 • 27 mins
Episode 739:
In this episode, we dive into the profound statement made by Jesus: "Apart from me, you can do nothing." We read from John 15:1-17, where Jesus uses the metaphor of a vine and branches to illustrate our relationship with Him. He emphasizes that He is the true vine, and we are the branches, highlighting that our ability to bear fruit is entirely dependent on our connection to Him. We discuss the importance of remaining in Jesus to produce much fruit, and how this fruitfulness is a reflection of our discipleship and brings glory to God.
In this episode, we dive into the profound statement made by Jesus: "Apart from me, you can do nothing." We read from John 15:1-17, where Jesus uses the metaphor of a vine and branches to illustrate our relationship with Him. He emphasizes that He is the true vine, and we are the branches, highlighting that our ability to bear fruit is entirely dependent on our connection to Him. We discuss the importance of remaining in Jesus to produce much fruit, and how this fruitfulness is a reflection of our discipleship and brings glory to God.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Good morning, good morning. We talked on that
through good morning, good morning to you and you and.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You good job. Good that's everybody's favorite. Something that should be.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Maybe I should incorporate like the Bible Guys, the Bible
guy right, who knows?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But anyway, you are the Bible Guys. We want to
welcome you today and we are in the middle of
a series called what If Jesus had a podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And today Jesus says, apart from me, you can do nothing.
That's a big, a big one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, that's a big.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We're gonna find out what he has to say about that,
but first we have a brand new segment. It is
because Ray is using all of her gray matter to
try to figure out how to make a compelling seconds nice. Right,
this is a brilliant idea. So you like you like
like board games and stuff? Of course I love you
love like taboo, especially like word board games.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
This is this is our family thing. We we love
zar bag game Night what we call it. In fact,
we have a family in our church. Uh uh. Anyway,
it's a great family, great friends, and uh they actually
bought us an actual thing that was customized. It says
zar bag game night. Yeah yeah, and it has all
the all the stuff in it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Whoa super cool. Well, so today we're doing taboo, right,
only it's theological taboo. So that means I have to
describe a Bible concept of theological concept concept without using
forbidden words.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, So there'll be forbidden words, yes, which means if
you're watching on video, hopefully what we can do is
place them on the screen right here, just knowing that
Jeff cannot say these okay.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And and I haven't thought about this yet, okay, So
I just looked at it a second ago, and I
have no idea how to do this. But you're allowed
to speak in sentence, so so yes, I am allowed
to speak in sentences. But the words that I'm forbidden
to say make it very difficult to speak of the
So this is a theological idea.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So listeners, race against me and see if you can
beat me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, this is a theological idea. Yep. Uh, let me see. Okay, Okay,
there's the dad, the kid, and the dove, the.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Trinity, Yes, and the dove, the dove.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
There you go. I got it. So so I had
here's the words. I wasn't allowed to say three because Trinity,
three and one say that. I couldn't say God. I
couldn't say father, son or spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, so that was a tough one. Good.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, the dove was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, there you go, because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I wouldn't have got without that. Yeah, so you're like,
dad kid dove. I'm like dad kid dull.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I almost said holy ghosts. That is what I almost
said to because I could have said that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
One, but but no, holy was on the list.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
No, No, I couldn't say three godfather, son, spirit, Oh holy.
So I could have said holy ghost. Yeah, I could
have said the Dad, the kid, and the other one, right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Which I would have known.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's how most Christians live, is
the Father, the Son, and the other one. Most Christians
don't really spend time with the Holy Spirit. So hey,
well there you go. I liked that one, yes, man,
And and I mean we blew through that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
One because we're well listen, we could.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Expand on theological minds.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We could expand on it by saying this, did you
know I know you know this, but did all of
our listeners know that the word trinity is actually.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Not in It is not in the Bible, right, The
concept is, yes, but not the not the word.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So trinity is a word that Christians created to explain
what the Bible says is true about God. So the
idea that we have a triune God, a God, one God,
three persons, right, and God describes himself this way and
so it all.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Sometimes people panic, go, you know, because they'll hear somebody
on Discovery Channel go, well, you know, early Christians didn't
believe in the trinity. Trinity. The word trinity is not
even in the Bible, right and oh, oh my goodness, it's
not in the Bible. Oh well, that's terrible. It must
not be real. Neither is the term vicarious suffering of Christ,
right right, correct, But that's still a true theological term,
(04:41):
that's right. So when we assign a word like the
vicarious suffering Christ means that Jesus died in our place.
It's the substitutionary death of Christ. He died in my place.
Vicarious means on my behalf or on the behalf of others.
So the fact that Jesus died on your behalf, on
my behalf. The theological term is the vicarious suffering of Christ.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Which by the way, is this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
But the fact of the Bible is Jesus died in
your place. That's the fact that it's the same. The
term for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being three
and one is the trinity. That's not that word's not
the Bible. It's the theological term we use to talk
about it. But the fact of it is at jesus baptism,
(05:30):
the Father's voice spoke from heaven while Jesus was in
the water, and the Spirit descended upon him like a dove.
At creation in Genesis chapter one, God in the beginning,
God created the heavens and the earth, and then it
says that we find out Jesus was where he spoke.
And we find out in Genesis, or in John chapter one,
Jesus was the Word, and Jesus created everything that existed.
(05:52):
And in the book of Genesis chapter one it says,
and the Spirit of God hovered over the deep. So literally,
in the first few verses of the book of Genesis,
you have of the Father. So the fact that the
word trinity does it, it's just a functional theological word
that we use, right, But the concepts are deeply rooted
in the truth of scripture. Paul believes in the Trinity.
(06:13):
Jesus believes in the Trinity. Obviously, James believes in the Trinity.
Jude believes in the Trinity. The Gospel writers believed in
the trinity. Uh, it's it's deeply rooted in scripture, even
though the term trinity is not there. So yeah, yeah,
so you don't have to freak out about it. The
fact that terms not in the Bible. It's just a
theological word that Professor's made of so that we can explain.
(06:36):
So it's just how we explain the fact that God
is three in one, that's right. Yeah, So hey, that
was really cool. Yes, good job, Chris. It's it's your
theological astuteness that helped you figure out.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You said, the dad, the kid, and the dove.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I bet you somebody beat me to it. Yes,
I bet you somebody who's out there said.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And without me, you that have never won that game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And did you also know Trinity is the name of
Neo's girlfriend in the Makers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So without me, you could have never won that game
because apart from me, you can do nothing, which is
the thing Jesus said. Jesus also said, apart from me,
you can.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Literally place yourself in the position.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No just with this game. Yes, I know with you
on this show, I.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Can do nothing without you in this game. Jeff, that
reds me too. Hey, that reminds me. God said the
same thing about him.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So yeah, yeah, that's right. So Jesus says the same thing.
Apart from me, you can do nothing. If you're new
to the show, We're not trying to be blasphemous. We
always just try to find the worst possible transitions from
the silly segment at the beginning into the devotional part today.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Right now, there's no blasphemy attempt here.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah. So in John chapter fifteen, we're going to be
reading John fifteen one through seventeen. Jesus he says, I
am the true grape vine, and my father is the gardener.
He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn't produce fruit,
and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so
that they will produce even more fruit. You have already
been pruned and purified by the message I've given you.
(08:14):
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For
a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from
the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain
in me. Yes, I am the vine, and you are
the branches. Those who remain in me and I and
them will produce much fruit. For apart from me, you
can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me
is thrown away like a useless branch in withers. Such
(08:35):
branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But
if you remain in me and my words remain in you,
you may ask for anything you want, and it'll be granted.
When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples.
This brings great glory to my Father. I have loved
you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in
my love. When you obey my commandments, you remain in
my love, just as I obey my father's commandments and
(08:57):
remain in his love. I've told you these things so
that you be filled with my joy. Yes, your joy
will overflow. This is my commandment. Love each other in
the same way I have loved you. There is no
greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends.
You are my friends if you do what I command.
I no longer call you slaves, because a master doesn't
confide in his slaves. Now you are my friends. Since
(09:19):
I've told you everything the Father told me. You didn't
choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go
and produce lasting fruit so that the Father will give
you whatever you ask for using my name. This is
my command. Love each other. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, he covers it, cots the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, it's so great. And you know, if you're a farmer,
especially man, is this illustration so deep and you understand
it so well. But for those of us who didn't
grow up you know, in agriculture, you know, it's not
as rich as the first century listeners, right, who would
have all been completely hands on with these kinds of things.
(10:00):
You know. The closest I got was we used to
when I was a student pastor with high school students
and middle school students. Back then, we used to have
a company that we would all glean off of called
Youth Specialties.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I remember you specially, Yeah, we used they were great.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, So Youth Specialties had all these great books for
youth ministries and you know, great ideas and such.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And they had tons of ideas of how to plan
and plan an event or yeah, games or engaging ways
to communicate tough topics stuff. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And so they had this book and it was called
Destination Unknown.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah I remember, Yeah, we did destination on those.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So we we would do Destination Unknowns and we would
have vehicles a lot of times, fifteen passenger vans sometimes
like a big shuttle bus, and they would be you know,
we had a small church, but we had a big
youth group, so you know, the kids would come and
let's just say we had like, let's just say sixty
high schoolers or something like this. We would have all
these vans lined up and when when they would show
up on a Tuesday night for you know, we called
(11:00):
it the next level. They would show up and they'd
see these vans that every dy'd get excited because they
know it's a d U kind of night, right, du
big d big DU Destination Unknown. And we get in
the car and some of our most effective things were
I remember one time I took them and this was
a brilliant It wasn't my idea, it was their idea,
but I took them to a Porsche dealership, right, and
(11:20):
we had this when it was all arranged, and these
guys talked about how expensive these cars were, right, just
the unbelievable intricacy and how much money would cost you
and everything like this. Then we had somebody else, a
financial advisor, who said just how incredibly expensive these cars were,
more than the other cars that were just the same
plastic and metal.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So we did all that in one location that we
got back in the bus, and then we went to
a junk yard, right yeah, and we had we we went,
we went all the way back to the place where
all the Porsches were, right yeah. And so literally he's
like this junk you know this guy, you know, he's perfect,
you know, he's from Atlanta, and he's like.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, this is where all the porches are.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He's like, here's your nine twelves and you're all these
kind of things, right, and so he lines them up
and literally we saw some of the same cars we
just saw, only older versions and some that were just
brand new that were wrecked. And and I'm like, okay,
so how much So the financial advisor actually had this setup,
so how much to buy that, and he says, oh,
that's worth you can get that for three hundred dollars, right,
(12:24):
And so we talked about you know, we're muff duff corrupt,
you know, and thieves break in and steel. Right, put
your treasures where your heart? You know, where your treasures
your heart?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That is great. We should do that on a Sunday here, dude,
isn't it great. It's a great video, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It's a great video, idea great and so anyway, but
that made a huge impact on the teenagers about, wow,
everything that we see is going to eventually end up
in the junkyard somewhere, right, So materialism is not the thing, right,
And so it was just tremendously effective. Well, I did
this with a great with a vineyard. So we we
(12:59):
literally have this vineyard on the side of the road,
which is very uncommon because it's not an agricultural area.
But there's this lady who has this massive vineyard. I
remember driving by and seeing we were working out there,
and I pulled over and I said, hey, can we
do this tomorrow night? And she says, Oh, I'm going
to be just so exhausted because today and tomorrow we're
working all day and we're cleaning up the vineyard. I said, well,
(13:19):
that's perfect. Then I said, because it'll be perfect, it'll
be perfect for us to walk through and you can
teach us about vines and branches. She says, but I'm
so tired. And I said, can you put a price
on affecting the lives of sixty students guilting this lady
into it? And she says fine, And so sure enough, man,
(13:40):
we had these kids walk into this vineyard, and I'm
telling you it was one of the most effective lessons
because then we were able to sit there in the
vineyard talking about the vine and the branches. This is
what we taught.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So my wife I was out of the country. I've
told this story several times, but my wife buys a
house while I'm gone. Right, Yeah, we've been looking for
our house for a long time. So the backyard, you've
been there. The backyard backs up to a forest. And
when we moved there, I had noticed that we moved
in December, but just before all the leaves started disappearing,
(14:18):
I had realized that there were vines growing up to
the tops of the trees, and there were a couple
of trees that were losing, that were dying the things.
So I got back in the woods and I realized
somebody had planted or some somehow there were these grape
vines that were climbing up to the top. And then
what happens is, you know, the vine is usually you know,
(14:38):
a couple inches around, yeah, a few inches around, but
it puts out all these thin branches that come out,
and then they put out these huge, like one square
foot kind of leaves, and so they'll cover over a
tree and cover the canopy will be the grape leaves
will be covering, and they wind up killing the tree
(14:59):
below that came at the sunlight the nets, and so
I realized, man, I'm about ready to lose most of
this forest behind me if I keep letting these grape
leaves go. And so at first, all I was doing
was cutting the cutting the branches and pulling them out
of my trees. And that's what I was trying to do.
And it was so hard, and I was exhausted, and
I had spent a couple of days working at this,
(15:21):
and then I realized this is dumb. I need to
go find where the where the where the root is,
where the where the vine is.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Right, cut the vine and then the branches the dost.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So it turns out there were nine vines, but it
was thousands of branches, right, there were only nine, and
so I went and cut those. So some of them
I was able to get out of the tree. But
right now, if you go there, all of them are dead.
Even though I got a bunch of them out. We
filled an entire dumpster with them. But all of them
have died now because I cut off the vine. So
(15:53):
all the branches are dead now and I got it
out of the tree. Now they're all brittle and I
can just pull them out. It's a lot easier all
than last year when they were all still a lot
And so Jesus says the same thing, that the power
of the branches is in the vine. That's right, right,
So it's when when we talked yesterday, was it yesterday
we talked about the bags of money and that God
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was expecting a return in two days ago, that God
respects a return on his investment. We feel like that
means we have to muscle up and figure out how
to do it right. Well, Jesus is saying, don't you
understand the power of you as a branch, is in
me the vine. Yeah, I'm the one that's bringing all
the power to you, right, I'm the one that's it's
flowing from me to you so that you have the
(16:33):
ability to do what you're supposed to do. And your
job is, he says, to bear fruit. Right, in the
same way that before the investor said your job is
to double my investment. Here he says, your job is
to bear fruit. But this time what we discover is
we're able to do it only when we're stay connected
to Jesus as the vine.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah. And you know, as Christians, sometimes we get weary
and sometimes we're you know, we can go a long
time without praying to God or reading the Bible or
feeling close or you know, listening to podcasts or going
to church, and we feel like our relationship with God
goes into a void. And if there's no power in
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our lives, if God's not producing in our lives, and
God's not blessing, and we feel like, you know, all
that's so disconnected. We have to realize, hey, it's because
we're not connected to the power source. Right. We got
to get reconnected with our relationship with our heavenly Father,
that's where the power comes from. And that brings true
even more so in ministry. So we're not just Christians,
(17:35):
we're professional Christians, right, we get paid to do things
this way. And so sometimes you can try to produce
because that's what ministry is. That's what jobs do. They
ask for results, and so in ministry there's ministry results
that we try to sometimes fabricate in our own power.
(17:56):
And we'll say, okay, you know, for instance, we're at
this we're on this stage, and we're looking at these chairs,
and we're probably even tonight, in a few hours, we're
probably gonna have five hundred kids in this room because
there's a kid's camp that's happening, right, and so somebody
has to plan that. Somebody has to do it. And
so you better you better make sure that if you're
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planning an event this big, you better be preyed up.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Buddy.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Sure, you better rely on the power of the Holy Spirit.
Because God gives the increase, God gives the fruit. And
that's what Jesus is saying. He's saying, you cannot do
anything like this by yourself, right, You've got to be
connected in me. I'm the vine. You are the branches.
Apart from me, you can do what nothing, nothing, nothing nothing,
(18:40):
So nothing good in me is going to produce anything, right,
It's got to be through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know any of the translations of this passage
that say anything other than you will produce much fruit.
He doesn't just say his goal is for you to
produce fruit or a fruit. He doesn't say some fruit
or a fruit. Yeah, he says much fruit. So again,
(19:07):
on occasion, we'll take shots from people going, oh, you're
just all about the numbers. Right, there's a measuring word.
Even in this idea of bearing fruit. The measurement word
is much as opposed to some or a right. And
God doesn't waste words. He's not just randomly choosing a word.
Every translation I know says that God's goal for you
(19:29):
is to bear much fruit.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He didn't. He didn't. He didn't misspoke. He didn't. It
wasn't misspoken.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, right, he didn't just stumble through it like
like you just did.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right, right, that's correct. Well, I wanted to say, I
wanted to say, because you always use the word misspoke,
but I don't say misspeak right anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He didn't miss no, I was I was teasing. It
was funny that that came out. You were trying to
talk about misspeaking when when when Yeah, it was fantastic.
But God doesn't just randomly throw out words. Yeah, he
only had thirty one thousand ors something versus he was
going to ever give us in his word. And so
he's not wasting words here. He's saying it a purpose
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and this idea of there's a quantifiable measurement and we
will be quantifiably measured. This is why in this previous story,
a couple of days ago, he gave one guy five,
one guy two, one guy one, and then he said,
good job, you turned five into ten. Not you took
some and made it more. He didn't do that. He said,
(20:28):
you took five turned into ten, you took two and
turned it into four. Those are quantifiable measurements. And then
now he says, even when he's talking on a farming level,
God's goal isn't some fruit. God's goal is much fruit
from you. And there's multiple kinds of fruits. Obviously, he
eventually he gets into loving one another. That's a big
part of it. We know the fruit of the spirit
(20:49):
and Galatians chapter five love, joy, peace, gentleness, kindness, meekness, right,
long suffering, all those kinds of things. So that's part
of it. Then Jesus said, here and as my father glorified,
that you bear much fruit. He says that the fruit
of the righteous is the tree of life, and he
that win his souls is wi the moble says, So
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there's lots of different kinds of fruit, and God wants
all of it. That's what he wants. He wants you
to produce as much as possible. And so then there
is this difficult phrase where Jesus says, listen, you have
to be pruned. So I went out a couple of
days ago, it was a couple weeks ago now, and
I had a tomato plant that had some extra branches
(21:35):
that didn't look like they were going to produce any fruit.
They didn't have any flowers on them, they were going
to produce any tomatoes. And so I went and cut
a bunch of those and got those out of the way.
I did the same thing. I have some climbing pea plants.
They're just about ready to produce, and there was some
that were dying, and I cut some of those off,
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and all of a sudden, both of those plants just
went like crazy, And so it's interesting. Sometimes there's things
that are useless that aren't actually going to produce in
our life, and God's going to cut those off. That's
what pruning is, is you cut off the stuff that's
useless that's not going to produce anything, so that all
of the energy goes to the ones that are going
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to produce. Because if I got a branch here and
it has four leaves, and I've got a branch here
that has four leaves and a flower that's going to
produce a tomato, what I don't want to do is
spread that all the energy nine ways. These four leaves
aren't going to produce anything in these four plus the flower.
What I want to do is get rid of these four.
Now I get all of that extra energy pushing towards
(22:37):
this one, and it's going to produce more, right, more,
The fruit is going to be better. And so God
does the same thing. Sometimes that can be painful in
our lives, and we just have to understand that all
he's doing is he's making us so much better. We'll
get through the pain He'll take us as long as
we stay connected to Jesus, We're going to get through
the pain. He'll heal us. But we will be so
(22:57):
much more effective on the other side of that pain
book that Bruce Wilkerson wrote. Man, I'm drawing a blank
right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Because I know with the Jabez thing did. But he
also wrote something on this too, and I have it
in my office. Anyway, I remember reading that little book,
and I remember him talking about how when it says
prune right, some branches are pruned. He said that it
could literally be translated into lifting up the the lifting
(23:33):
up and so he says, lifting up is an unusual
phrase until you realize that part of pruning something could
be taking branches that are like laying in the mud,
branches that could produce right, but to lift up because
vines have to be tended to write, and so you
lift them up, wash them off, clean them up, tie
them up. He said, sometimes that could be a part
(23:54):
of the you know, pruning process and preparing process for
tending to your to your vine. And I thought that
was really.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Interesting part of the cultivating of that, the.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Cultivating yeah, because because you know, a lot of times
we hear pruning, we think of the discipline and the
and the harshness of it, which there's there's definitely that
part of it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would say the word prune nine times out.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Of ten means to cut.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, so, but I'm just trying to give everybody a
lifeline here. Well Bruce did, yeah, yeah, Exactly's but.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I thought it was interesting how he said, I just
remember that word lift up and he said, he said
that there's that's a part of this passage. And I
thought that's interesting how pruning could be both harsh and
gentle at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And so I don't see it as harsh. It's loving. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, it's not. So so I don't know that harshness.
Kind of has a.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Harsh only in the pain of it.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Right. But but when it comes to hey, this is
holding you back, let me, let me cut you loose
from that, you'll heal from that, right, and if you
have the right attitude, it doesn't cause a lot of
pain anyways, Right, Okay, God's just removing that from me
so that I can run faster, so I can do more,
so I can have a greater impact. But Jesus says,
(25:12):
apart from me, you can do nothing, and then ultimately
he leads into I'm going to call you my friend.
You're not minaemy. I'm telling you these things because you're
my friends. But it is interesting he says, you're only
my friends if you do what I command. You are
my friends. Verse fourteen. You are my friends if you
do what I command. So there's an obedience component to
the friendship with Jesus. I'm separated from him. I'm not
(25:34):
attached to him when I'm not obeying him, but I
am attached to him. And this is just in your
everyday life, the blessings, the power of God in your life.
I'm not talking about going to heaven. Obedience doesn't get
you to heaven, but the power of God in your
life to produce fruit comes from obedience.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And I find it interesting how just two verses later
he says, hey, go produce the fruit, and then two
verses later he goes, this is my command love each other. Yeah,
which is interesting because you know, you would think that
in that moment Jesus would talk about, uh, maybe something else.
And I'm always I don't know why, but I'm always
(26:11):
thrown back a little bit. How much Jesus commands us
to love other humans. I don't know why, because I
because for my entire life, I've always thought that. I've
always thought he says, oh, the two greatest commandments are
love God and then the second one is equally important,
which is love others. And that always confused me. I
was like, why, I know it makes sense to me
to love God because I love God.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But have you seen these idiots?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Right, It's like, but people are sometimes really hard to love.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, and there are people well he
knows that, yes, he knows it's hard to love people.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
He loves anyway, that's an important part of what bearing
fruit means. Love each other.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And then it's interest. He's talking about love, and right
in the middle of love, he talks about it being
a choice. You didn't choose me, I chose you, right,
And so you have to understand that there's a choice
when it comes to loving. There's a there's a choice
in loving God, there's a choice in loving other people.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And yeah, well, hey, that's our time, so hopefully we
will see you tomorrow on the Bible. Guys,
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Good morning, good morning. We talked on that
through good morning, good morning to you and you and.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You good job. Good that's everybody's favorite. Something that should be.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Maybe I should incorporate like the Bible Guys, the Bible
guy right, who knows?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But anyway, you are the Bible Guys. We want to
welcome you today and we are in the middle of
a series called what If Jesus had a podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And today Jesus says, apart from me, you can do nothing.
That's a big, a big one.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, that's a big.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We're gonna find out what he has to say about that,
but first we have a brand new segment. It is
because Ray is using all of her gray matter to
try to figure out how to make a compelling seconds nice. Right,
this is a brilliant idea. So you like you like
like board games and stuff? Of course I love you
love like taboo, especially like word board games.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
This is this is our family thing. We we love
zar bag game Night what we call it. In fact,
we have a family in our church. Uh uh. Anyway,
it's a great family, great friends, and uh they actually
bought us an actual thing that was customized. It says
zar bag game night. Yeah yeah, and it has all
the all the stuff in it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Whoa super cool. Well, so today we're doing taboo, right,
only it's theological taboo. So that means I have to
describe a Bible concept of theological concept concept without using
forbidden words.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, So there'll be forbidden words, yes, which means if
you're watching on video, hopefully what we can do is
place them on the screen right here, just knowing that
Jeff cannot say these okay.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And and I haven't thought about this yet, okay, So
I just looked at it a second ago, and I
have no idea how to do this. But you're allowed
to speak in sentence, so so yes, I am allowed
to speak in sentences. But the words that I'm forbidden
to say make it very difficult to speak of the
So this is a theological idea.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So listeners, race against me and see if you can
beat me.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, this is a theological idea. Yep. Uh, let me see. Okay, Okay,
there's the dad, the kid, and the dove, the.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Trinity, Yes, and the dove, the dove.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
There you go. I got it. So so I had
here's the words. I wasn't allowed to say three because Trinity,
three and one say that. I couldn't say God. I
couldn't say father, son or spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, so that was a tough one. Good.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, the dove was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, there you go, because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I wouldn't have got without that. Yeah, so you're like,
dad kid dove. I'm like dad kid dull.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I almost said holy ghosts. That is what I almost
said to because I could have said that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
One, but but no, holy was on the list.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
No, No, I couldn't say three godfather, son, spirit, Oh holy.
So I could have said holy ghost. Yeah, I could
have said the Dad, the kid, and the other one, right.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Which I would have known.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's how most Christians live, is
the Father, the Son, and the other one. Most Christians
don't really spend time with the Holy Spirit. So hey,
well there you go. I liked that one, yes, man,
And and I mean we blew through that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
One because we're well listen, we could.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Expand on theological minds.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
We could expand on it by saying this, did you
know I know you know this, but did all of
our listeners know that the word trinity is actually.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Not in It is not in the Bible, right, The
concept is, yes, but not the not the word.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So trinity is a word that Christians created to explain
what the Bible says is true about God. So the
idea that we have a triune God, a God, one God,
three persons, right, and God describes himself this way and
so it all.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Sometimes people panic, go, you know, because they'll hear somebody
on Discovery Channel go, well, you know, early Christians didn't
believe in the trinity. Trinity. The word trinity is not
even in the Bible, right and oh, oh my goodness, it's
not in the Bible. Oh well, that's terrible. It must
not be real. Neither is the term vicarious suffering of Christ,
right right, correct, But that's still a true theological term,
(04:41):
that's right. So when we assign a word like the
vicarious suffering Christ means that Jesus died in our place.
It's the substitutionary death of Christ. He died in my place.
Vicarious means on my behalf or on the behalf of others.
So the fact that Jesus died on your behalf, on
my behalf. The theological term is the vicarious suffering of Christ.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Which by the way, is this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
But the fact of the Bible is Jesus died in
your place. That's the fact that it's the same. The
term for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being three
and one is the trinity. That's not that word's not
the Bible. It's the theological term we use to talk
about it. But the fact of it is at jesus baptism,
(05:30):
the Father's voice spoke from heaven while Jesus was in
the water, and the Spirit descended upon him like a dove.
At creation in Genesis chapter one, God in the beginning,
God created the heavens and the earth, and then it
says that we find out Jesus was where he spoke.
And we find out in Genesis, or in John chapter one,
Jesus was the Word, and Jesus created everything that existed.
(05:52):
And in the book of Genesis chapter one it says,
and the Spirit of God hovered over the deep. So literally,
in the first few verses of the book of Genesis,
you have of the Father. So the fact that the
word trinity does it, it's just a functional theological word
that we use, right, But the concepts are deeply rooted
in the truth of scripture. Paul believes in the Trinity.
(06:13):
Jesus believes in the Trinity. Obviously, James believes in the Trinity.
Jude believes in the Trinity. The Gospel writers believed in
the trinity. Uh, it's it's deeply rooted in scripture, even
though the term trinity is not there. So yeah, yeah,
so you don't have to freak out about it. The
fact that terms not in the Bible. It's just a
theological word that Professor's made of so that we can explain.
(06:36):
So it's just how we explain the fact that God
is three in one, that's right. Yeah, So hey, that
was really cool. Yes, good job, Chris. It's it's your
theological astuteness that helped you figure out.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You said, the dad, the kid, and the dove.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I bet you somebody beat me to it. Yes,
I bet you somebody who's out there said.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And without me, you that have never won that game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And did you also know Trinity is the name of
Neo's girlfriend in the Makers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So without me, you could have never won that game
because apart from me, you can do nothing, which is
the thing Jesus said. Jesus also said, apart from me,
you can.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Literally place yourself in the position.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No just with this game. Yes, I know with you
on this show, I.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Can do nothing without you in this game. Jeff, that
reds me too. Hey, that reminds me. God said the
same thing about him.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So yeah, yeah, that's right. So Jesus says the same thing.
Apart from me, you can do nothing. If you're new
to the show, We're not trying to be blasphemous. We
always just try to find the worst possible transitions from
the silly segment at the beginning into the devotional part today.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Right now, there's no blasphemy attempt here.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah. So in John chapter fifteen, we're going to be
reading John fifteen one through seventeen. Jesus he says, I
am the true grape vine, and my father is the gardener.
He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn't produce fruit,
and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so
that they will produce even more fruit. You have already
been pruned and purified by the message I've given you.
(08:14):
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For
a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from
the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain
in me. Yes, I am the vine, and you are
the branches. Those who remain in me and I and
them will produce much fruit. For apart from me, you
can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me
is thrown away like a useless branch in withers. Such
(08:35):
branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But
if you remain in me and my words remain in you,
you may ask for anything you want, and it'll be granted.
When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples.
This brings great glory to my Father. I have loved
you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in
my love. When you obey my commandments, you remain in
my love, just as I obey my father's commandments and
(08:57):
remain in his love. I've told you these things so
that you be filled with my joy. Yes, your joy
will overflow. This is my commandment. Love each other in
the same way I have loved you. There is no
greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends.
You are my friends if you do what I command.
I no longer call you slaves, because a master doesn't
confide in his slaves. Now you are my friends. Since
(09:19):
I've told you everything the Father told me. You didn't
choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go
and produce lasting fruit so that the Father will give
you whatever you ask for using my name. This is
my command. Love each other. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, he covers it, cots the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, it's so great. And you know, if you're a farmer,
especially man, is this illustration so deep and you understand
it so well. But for those of us who didn't
grow up you know, in agriculture, you know, it's not
as rich as the first century listeners, right, who would
have all been completely hands on with these kinds of things.
(10:00):
You know. The closest I got was we used to
when I was a student pastor with high school students
and middle school students. Back then, we used to have
a company that we would all glean off of called
Youth Specialties.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I remember you specially, Yeah, we used they were great.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, So Youth Specialties had all these great books for
youth ministries and you know, great ideas and such.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And they had tons of ideas of how to plan
and plan an event or yeah, games or engaging ways
to communicate tough topics stuff. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And so they had this book and it was called
Destination Unknown.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah I remember, Yeah, we did destination on those.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So we we would do Destination Unknowns and we would
have vehicles a lot of times, fifteen passenger vans sometimes
like a big shuttle bus, and they would be you know,
we had a small church, but we had a big
youth group, so you know, the kids would come and
let's just say we had like, let's just say sixty
high schoolers or something like this. We would have all
these vans lined up and when when they would show
up on a Tuesday night for you know, we called
(11:00):
it the next level. They would show up and they'd
see these vans that every dy'd get excited because they
know it's a d U kind of night, right, du
big d big DU Destination Unknown. And we get in
the car and some of our most effective things were
I remember one time I took them and this was
a brilliant It wasn't my idea, it was their idea,
but I took them to a Porsche dealership, right, and
(11:20):
we had this when it was all arranged, and these
guys talked about how expensive these cars were, right, just
the unbelievable intricacy and how much money would cost you
and everything like this. Then we had somebody else, a
financial advisor, who said just how incredibly expensive these cars were,
more than the other cars that were just the same
plastic and metal.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So we did all that in one location that we
got back in the bus, and then we went to
a junk yard, right yeah, and we had we we went,
we went all the way back to the place where
all the Porsches were, right yeah. And so literally he's
like this junk you know this guy, you know, he's perfect,
you know, he's from Atlanta, and he's like.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, this is where all the porches are.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He's like, here's your nine twelves and you're all these
kind of things, right, and so he lines them up
and literally we saw some of the same cars we
just saw, only older versions and some that were just
brand new that were wrecked. And and I'm like, okay,
so how much So the financial advisor actually had this setup,
so how much to buy that, and he says, oh,
that's worth you can get that for three hundred dollars, right,
(12:24):
And so we talked about you know, we're muff duff corrupt,
you know, and thieves break in and steel. Right, put
your treasures where your heart? You know, where your treasures
your heart?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That is great. We should do that on a Sunday here, dude,
isn't it great. It's a great video, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It's a great video, idea great and so anyway, but
that made a huge impact on the teenagers about, wow,
everything that we see is going to eventually end up
in the junkyard somewhere, right, So materialism is not the thing, right,
And so it was just tremendously effective. Well, I did
this with a great with a vineyard. So we we
(12:59):
literally have this vineyard on the side of the road,
which is very uncommon because it's not an agricultural area.
But there's this lady who has this massive vineyard. I
remember driving by and seeing we were working out there,
and I pulled over and I said, hey, can we
do this tomorrow night? And she says, Oh, I'm going
to be just so exhausted because today and tomorrow we're
working all day and we're cleaning up the vineyard. I said, well,
(13:19):
that's perfect. Then I said, because it'll be perfect, it'll
be perfect for us to walk through and you can
teach us about vines and branches. She says, but I'm
so tired. And I said, can you put a price
on affecting the lives of sixty students guilting this lady
into it? And she says fine, And so sure enough, man,
(13:40):
we had these kids walk into this vineyard, and I'm
telling you it was one of the most effective lessons
because then we were able to sit there in the
vineyard talking about the vine and the branches. This is
what we taught.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So my wife I was out of the country. I've
told this story several times, but my wife buys a
house while I'm gone. Right, Yeah, we've been looking for
our house for a long time. So the backyard, you've
been there. The backyard backs up to a forest. And
when we moved there, I had noticed that we moved
in December, but just before all the leaves started disappearing,
(14:18):
I had realized that there were vines growing up to
the tops of the trees, and there were a couple
of trees that were losing, that were dying the things.
So I got back in the woods and I realized
somebody had planted or some somehow there were these grape
vines that were climbing up to the top. And then
what happens is, you know, the vine is usually you know,
(14:38):
a couple inches around, yeah, a few inches around, but
it puts out all these thin branches that come out,
and then they put out these huge, like one square
foot kind of leaves, and so they'll cover over a
tree and cover the canopy will be the grape leaves
will be covering, and they wind up killing the tree
(14:59):
below that came at the sunlight the nets, and so
I realized, man, I'm about ready to lose most of
this forest behind me if I keep letting these grape
leaves go. And so at first, all I was doing
was cutting the cutting the branches and pulling them out
of my trees. And that's what I was trying to do.
And it was so hard, and I was exhausted, and
I had spent a couple of days working at this,
(15:21):
and then I realized this is dumb. I need to
go find where the where the where the root is,
where the where the vine is.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Right, cut the vine and then the branches the dost.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So it turns out there were nine vines, but it
was thousands of branches, right, there were only nine, and
so I went and cut those. So some of them
I was able to get out of the tree. But
right now, if you go there, all of them are dead.
Even though I got a bunch of them out. We
filled an entire dumpster with them. But all of them
have died now because I cut off the vine. So
(15:53):
all the branches are dead now and I got it
out of the tree. Now they're all brittle and I
can just pull them out. It's a lot easier all
than last year when they were all still a lot
And so Jesus says the same thing, that the power
of the branches is in the vine. That's right, right,
So it's when when we talked yesterday, was it yesterday
we talked about the bags of money and that God
(16:13):
was expecting a return in two days ago, that God
respects a return on his investment. We feel like that
means we have to muscle up and figure out how
to do it right. Well, Jesus is saying, don't you
understand the power of you as a branch, is in
me the vine. Yeah, I'm the one that's bringing all
the power to you, right, I'm the one that's it's
flowing from me to you so that you have the
(16:33):
ability to do what you're supposed to do. And your
job is, he says, to bear fruit. Right, in the
same way that before the investor said your job is
to double my investment. Here he says, your job is
to bear fruit. But this time what we discover is
we're able to do it only when we're stay connected
to Jesus as the vine.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah. And you know, as Christians, sometimes we get weary
and sometimes we're you know, we can go a long
time without praying to God or reading the Bible or
feeling close or you know, listening to podcasts or going
to church, and we feel like our relationship with God
goes into a void. And if there's no power in
(17:13):
our lives, if God's not producing in our lives, and
God's not blessing, and we feel like, you know, all
that's so disconnected. We have to realize, hey, it's because
we're not connected to the power source. Right. We got
to get reconnected with our relationship with our heavenly Father,
that's where the power comes from. And that brings true
even more so in ministry. So we're not just Christians,
(17:35):
we're professional Christians, right, we get paid to do things
this way. And so sometimes you can try to produce
because that's what ministry is. That's what jobs do. They
ask for results, and so in ministry there's ministry results
that we try to sometimes fabricate in our own power.
(17:56):
And we'll say, okay, you know, for instance, we're at
this we're on this stage, and we're looking at these chairs,
and we're probably even tonight, in a few hours, we're
probably gonna have five hundred kids in this room because
there's a kid's camp that's happening, right, and so somebody
has to plan that. Somebody has to do it. And
so you better you better make sure that if you're
(18:17):
planning an event this big, you better be preyed up.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Buddy.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Sure, you better rely on the power of the Holy Spirit.
Because God gives the increase, God gives the fruit. And
that's what Jesus is saying. He's saying, you cannot do
anything like this by yourself, right, You've got to be
connected in me. I'm the vine. You are the branches.
Apart from me, you can do what nothing, nothing, nothing nothing,
(18:40):
So nothing good in me is going to produce anything, right,
It's got to be through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know any of the translations of this passage
that say anything other than you will produce much fruit.
He doesn't just say his goal is for you to
produce fruit or a fruit. He doesn't say some fruit
or a fruit. Yeah, he says much fruit. So again,
(19:07):
on occasion, we'll take shots from people going, oh, you're
just all about the numbers. Right, there's a measuring word.
Even in this idea of bearing fruit. The measurement word
is much as opposed to some or a right. And
God doesn't waste words. He's not just randomly choosing a word.
Every translation I know says that God's goal for you
(19:29):
is to bear much fruit.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He didn't. He didn't. He didn't misspoke. He didn't. It
wasn't misspoken.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, right, he didn't just stumble through it like
like you just did.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right, right, that's correct. Well, I wanted to say, I
wanted to say, because you always use the word misspoke,
but I don't say misspeak right anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He didn't miss no, I was I was teasing. It
was funny that that came out. You were trying to
talk about misspeaking when when when Yeah, it was fantastic.
But God doesn't just randomly throw out words. Yeah, he
only had thirty one thousand ors something versus he was
going to ever give us in his word. And so
he's not wasting words here. He's saying it a purpose
(20:07):
and this idea of there's a quantifiable measurement and we
will be quantifiably measured. This is why in this previous story,
a couple of days ago, he gave one guy five,
one guy two, one guy one, and then he said,
good job, you turned five into ten. Not you took
some and made it more. He didn't do that. He said,
(20:28):
you took five turned into ten, you took two and
turned it into four. Those are quantifiable measurements. And then
now he says, even when he's talking on a farming level,
God's goal isn't some fruit. God's goal is much fruit
from you. And there's multiple kinds of fruits. Obviously, he
eventually he gets into loving one another. That's a big
part of it. We know the fruit of the spirit
(20:49):
and Galatians chapter five love, joy, peace, gentleness, kindness, meekness, right,
long suffering, all those kinds of things. So that's part
of it. Then Jesus said, here and as my father glorified,
that you bear much fruit. He says that the fruit
of the righteous is the tree of life, and he
that win his souls is wi the moble says, So
(21:09):
there's lots of different kinds of fruit, and God wants
all of it. That's what he wants. He wants you
to produce as much as possible. And so then there
is this difficult phrase where Jesus says, listen, you have
to be pruned. So I went out a couple of
days ago, it was a couple weeks ago now, and
I had a tomato plant that had some extra branches
(21:35):
that didn't look like they were going to produce any fruit.
They didn't have any flowers on them, they were going
to produce any tomatoes. And so I went and cut
a bunch of those and got those out of the way.
I did the same thing. I have some climbing pea plants.
They're just about ready to produce, and there was some
that were dying, and I cut some of those off,
(21:55):
and all of a sudden, both of those plants just
went like crazy, And so it's interesting. Sometimes there's things
that are useless that aren't actually going to produce in
our life, and God's going to cut those off. That's
what pruning is, is you cut off the stuff that's
useless that's not going to produce anything, so that all
of the energy goes to the ones that are going
(22:16):
to produce. Because if I got a branch here and
it has four leaves, and I've got a branch here
that has four leaves and a flower that's going to
produce a tomato, what I don't want to do is
spread that all the energy nine ways. These four leaves
aren't going to produce anything in these four plus the flower.
What I want to do is get rid of these four.
Now I get all of that extra energy pushing towards
(22:37):
this one, and it's going to produce more, right, more,
The fruit is going to be better. And so God
does the same thing. Sometimes that can be painful in
our lives, and we just have to understand that all
he's doing is he's making us so much better. We'll
get through the pain He'll take us as long as
we stay connected to Jesus, We're going to get through
the pain. He'll heal us. But we will be so
(22:57):
much more effective on the other side of that pain
book that Bruce Wilkerson wrote. Man, I'm drawing a blank
right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Because I know with the Jabez thing did. But he
also wrote something on this too, and I have it
in my office. Anyway, I remember reading that little book,
and I remember him talking about how when it says
prune right, some branches are pruned. He said that it
could literally be translated into lifting up the the lifting
(23:33):
up and so he says, lifting up is an unusual
phrase until you realize that part of pruning something could
be taking branches that are like laying in the mud,
branches that could produce right, but to lift up because
vines have to be tended to write, and so you
lift them up, wash them off, clean them up, tie
them up. He said, sometimes that could be a part
(23:54):
of the you know, pruning process and preparing process for
tending to your to your vine. And I thought that
was really.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Interesting part of the cultivating of that, the.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Cultivating yeah, because because you know, a lot of times
we hear pruning, we think of the discipline and the
and the harshness of it, which there's there's definitely that
part of it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would say the word prune nine times out.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Of ten means to cut.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, so, but I'm just trying to give everybody a
lifeline here. Well Bruce did, yeah, yeah, Exactly's but.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I thought it was interesting how he said, I just
remember that word lift up and he said, he said
that there's that's a part of this passage. And I
thought that's interesting how pruning could be both harsh and
gentle at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And so I don't see it as harsh. It's loving. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, it's not. So so I don't know that harshness.
Kind of has a.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Harsh only in the pain of it.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Right. But but when it comes to hey, this is
holding you back, let me, let me cut you loose
from that, you'll heal from that, right, and if you
have the right attitude, it doesn't cause a lot of
pain anyways, Right, Okay, God's just removing that from me
so that I can run faster, so I can do more,
so I can have a greater impact. But Jesus says,
(25:12):
apart from me, you can do nothing, and then ultimately
he leads into I'm going to call you my friend.
You're not minaemy. I'm telling you these things because you're
my friends. But it is interesting he says, you're only
my friends if you do what I command. You are
my friends. Verse fourteen. You are my friends if you
do what I command. So there's an obedience component to
the friendship with Jesus. I'm separated from him. I'm not
(25:34):
attached to him when I'm not obeying him, but I
am attached to him. And this is just in your
everyday life, the blessings, the power of God in your life.
I'm not talking about going to heaven. Obedience doesn't get
you to heaven, but the power of God in your
life to produce fruit comes from obedience.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
And I find it interesting how just two verses later
he says, hey, go produce the fruit, and then two
verses later he goes, this is my command love each other. Yeah,
which is interesting because you know, you would think that
in that moment Jesus would talk about, uh, maybe something else.
And I'm always I don't know why, but I'm always
(26:11):
thrown back a little bit. How much Jesus commands us
to love other humans. I don't know why, because I
because for my entire life, I've always thought that. I've
always thought he says, oh, the two greatest commandments are
love God and then the second one is equally important,
which is love others. And that always confused me. I
was like, why, I know it makes sense to me
to love God because I love God.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But have you seen these idiots?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Right, It's like, but people are sometimes really hard to love.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, and there are people well he
knows that, yes, he knows it's hard to love people.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
He loves anyway, that's an important part of what bearing
fruit means. Love each other.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And then it's interest. He's talking about love, and right
in the middle of love, he talks about it being
a choice. You didn't choose me, I chose you, right,
And so you have to understand that there's a choice
when it comes to loving. There's a there's a choice
in loving God, there's a choice in loving other people.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And yeah, well, hey, that's our time, so hopefully we
will see you tomorrow on the Bible. Guys,
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