July 28, 2025 • 25 mins
Episode 736:
In this episode, Chris and Jeff dive into a lively discussion about the Great Commission, found in Matthew 28:16-20. They explore the significance of Jesus' last words to His disciples. They highlight the importance of the Great Commission, emphasizing that Jesus commands His followers to go out and make disciples of all nations. They discuss the context of this command, noting that even among the eleven disciples, some doubted despite having witnessed Jesus' resurrection and miracles.
In this episode, Chris and Jeff dive into a lively discussion about the Great Commission, found in Matthew 28:16-20. They explore the significance of Jesus' last words to His disciples. They highlight the importance of the Great Commission, emphasizing that Jesus commands His followers to go out and make disciples of all nations. They discuss the context of this command, noting that even among the eleven disciples, some doubted despite having witnessed Jesus' resurrection and miracles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is Chris, and it's going to be an
amazing episode today. Chris, it is because this is the
first one of the week.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You have to say your name.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Jeff. There you go say that we have this
cool I'm je behind us. You've got a star over
your head because you're a star.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I am a star.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm a star.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hey. By the way, this morning, just this morning, I
got three texts. So it's nine am on a Wednesday.
We're filming this.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Three texts. I said, you're a star.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, I got three texts saying that apparently the Bible
Guys episode that aired this morning. One was from Russia.
I got a text from Russia of saying of somebody
saying that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They appreciate their watching you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
They said that, yes, but they said they appreciated me
saying that Lazarus came out of the tune with jazz hands.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it was three texts this morning. Well, that's the
deep stuff to everybody's Bible study of promotional material is
jazz hands.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You're welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So it is going to be a great day. And
the reason why we have stars over our heads is
because the set behind us is set up for kids
camp at Heritage Church. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, this kind of our big vacation Bible school during
the during the summer, and we had like five hundred
kids last night.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Or some crazy things crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, So they're using this stage and then we just
pop in in the middle of the day to shoot
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're borring it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
This will be for the next couple weeks. I think
it'll be up for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So well, hey, we have a segment that Desiree gave us,
and this is one of our it's the only one
that has a theme song. It does ready mail bag,
and it's our listeners send in comments or questions or
critiques and complaints mostly yes, disagreements with the crazy Bible guys,
(02:02):
and Desiree kind of filters through those and puts one
out for us and then we get to answer it.
So this one today is from Amanda b Amanda, be
Hi Amanda, and it says you both strike me as
open books. Thanks Amanda, comic books. I think probably is, Yeah,
what do you are?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You a sophisticated novel and I'm a comic book?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Is that what it is? You know? I say comic books?
It was plural, So.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm multiple books and like the Great gats mean or something. Okay,
I get.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It, Crime and Punishment, I get it. Here you go.
You both strike me as open books. But is there
something you wish people saw or understood about you that
they really usually don't? Yeah, that's a Mannes's question. So,
you know, it seems like we're fairly transparent. So which
is the ruse we've been keeping up for quite some time?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I do have something instinctively that Kim comes to mind. Okay,
so you and I both are the same personality profile
type in a lot of ways, right, Yes, in a
lot of ways. We have the same spiritual gifts, same
personality profile type, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
The fact that the world got two of us, just
one of them is really it's what a blessing, What
an age to be living in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You're welcome, You're welcome everybody. Yeah, it's pretty bad. So,
but we are according to the Myers Briggs In case
you're familiar, with that is we are e n tpis
in which stands for extrovert intuitive thinker and then perceiver.
That's correct, right, Yes, Now what is the percentage? Isn't
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isn't it a rare type?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, it's like two to three percent of the population
has that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, two to three percent.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Think about that, like, wow, that's a lot, right, so
or it's small.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, No, I meant. I meant like, that's a lot
to take.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, a lot to take it. It is what I
meant anyway. So the point is is that because of
our personality profile type, somebody on the that might interact
with me, maybe on a leadership level or you know,
behind the scenes, or you know, maybe if we're working
on projects together. Uh, we don't necessarily come across as
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the most emotional people. But yet I feel every emotion, right, So,
like even in my interactions, uh, you know, like I'll
respond to something and and and and they may say, well, wow,
you're not as sensitive and you don't think about these emotions.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
The e NTP personality profile, the high thinker can come
across that way. But I actually believe or not, I
wish people knew that you know and you know this
about me, like I have a ton of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Emotion, yes, yes, right, you know that. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Well you're you're you're an emotional person.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think the e NTP part of it for you
because your your emotions are out there. Everybody knows. You're
quick to cry, you're quick to laugh. Yeah, you live
your entire life in hyperbole. It's all big or little.
It's it's the best or the worst. Right, So, so
the emotion side is there the differ diferences for an EMTP.
We're not shy about being very direct because of the
efficiency of it, because we're not offended when people are
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direct with us, right, My fact we prefer people to
be direct with us. That's right, is my fact. That
was going to be my thing is I think I
think I would prefer people to be direct with me
and it's not offensive as long as you're coming in
with a good attitude. I prefer people to be direct,
and I think sometimes people misunderstand our directness. So I
(05:28):
think you are much more emotional and that's that has
to do with all the other things. It's not like
you stuffed down your emotions like I do. Instead, I
think it's just that you you also are willing to
be direct because you want to make it better. So
you're like, hey, this is awful, let's fix it. And
you don't mean you're an awful person. You're saying, this
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product is awful, let's make this product better, right, And
you're not shy about being direct on that, And I
think that that feels like you're heartless and you're not.
You've got like the biggest heart in the world.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Chris, I appreciate that, man, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, that was hyperbole.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I was I was just gonna say, I was just
gonna say that's a little overstatement.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. The other thing
is I wish I wish people understood about me that
sometimes I talk fast and and quote a lot of scripture,
so it sounds like I know what I'm doing, But
really I just want somebody to bring me tacos. Hey.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We did have people show up and heard in church
and bring you uh for what is it called?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And then uh yeah, yeah that was right. This week.
They were sitting on my on my table in my
office when I came in, so it was great. Somebody
brought me one yesterday too, it was super nice. So
keeping coming people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I meant to say thank you. I meant to say
thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right right, right, but I'm talking to the list now.
Somehow you've managed this living in tacos.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, that's right, So the bring me tacos. That's so.
The other thing I wish people would know is I
have a high level of satisfaction with setting goals and
accomplishing goals. And because then you know this, I measure everything.
I measure everything, yes, so I know exactly what the
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trend has been, and then I just try to move
the needle a couple percentage points on a trend. I'm
satisfied when we hit that trend. We keep moving on.
Just move along, move along, movement. And so what happens
I forget to celebrate, and I forget to go tell
people how amazing they are and thank you and that
you've made this happen and you know, all those things
that I forget to celebrate, and so I kind of
leave people in the dust, sometimes unintentionally.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And to be fair, most unfortunately, most leaders forget to celebrate. Yeah, yeah,
most strong leaders forget to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah. And in the church world, the kind of work
we do. Sunday comes every seven days. I don't know
if our listeners have ever contemplated that, right, but Sunday
comes every seven days. So it's just bang bang bang
bang bang. You know, if this was a Broadway show
that we were doing, we would do the exact same
thing with the same line. It's in the same moves,
the same lighting, and the same songs for weeks and
weeks and months and months and months. And instead every
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message is brand new the next weekend. Every song that
is done wasn't done last week, right, all the stuff
that we do, and so there's a lot of chaos
in trying to make every weekend happen in a meaningful
way for thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And not to mention creative ideas incepting from scratch.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And of course we rely on the Holy Spirit to
guide us with regard to our messages, and we invite
him into the planning and all those things. But as
we're racing along, sometimes it can feel like we forget.
And so that's the thing I wish people knew how much,
how incredibly grateful I am for the fact that they've
joined us on this mission and they're making it happen together.
(08:44):
It's really great. But I forget. I forget to say
thank you a.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Lot great answers.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh, that's wonderful. And I just want tacos.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And yeah, and somehow I always want to talk to
he doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
To talk exactly that deep down inside. Yeah, if you
want to know that secret thing deep done inside. We
just want tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So we're read at our time. Actually we're about a
minute past our time. But what's your favorite taco place
in the area?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
My tacos. I love those pork tacos I make with
the Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, but if somebody were to bring you tacos, what's
your favorite?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh, I don't know. I don't I don't even have
a favorite taco place here.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You just like all tacos. Yeah, okay, all right, all right,
just just asking so for the sake of our listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes, well, hey, uh boy, I don't even know what
transition for this.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
One, speaking of.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Going out and finding tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Finding tacos, Jesus commands us to go out and find disciples.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh yeah, that is terrible. Yeah, yeah, it's a terrible transition. Well,
that does come up here in Matthew chapter twenty eight.
It does one of the this is like the last
thing Jesus is saying. These are the last orders he
gives us before he goes back, known as.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The Great Commission. And wouldn't you think that somebody's last
words would be important?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I would imagine. Yeah. Well, in the military, they have
the principle of the last standing orders. So whatever the
last order you got, you're supposed to keep doing that
until you get a new order.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I know you're going to complete this, but complete this
the rest of this quote.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
My father's final words were.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's Princess Bride. Yeah, ye, Prince humperdink.
I don't know. I can't remember. Love her, yes, as
I have loved her, and and there will be peace
in the land. No joy, joy, love.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
As I've loved her, and there will be joy.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay. So here we are in Matthew chapter twenty eight. Yep,
and we're going to start in verse sixteen. Just read
to the end of the chapter. It says, then the
eleven disciples left for Galilee. Do you remember Jesus had
died and risen I do remember that Judas is out
of the picture. Now he killed himself, and so now
there's only eleven disciples, yep. And so then the eleven
disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus
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had told them to go. When they saw him, they
worshiped him, but some of them doubted. Jesus came and
told his disciples, I have been given all authority in
heaven and on earth. Therefore go and make disciples of
all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father
and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And teach these
new disciples to obey all the commands I've given you.
And be sure of this. I am with you always,
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even to the end of the age.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, so very quick, A very quick what five verses?
But I have to say this the thing that always
sticks out when I read this, and it's only recorded
here in Matthew obviously, but it says the eleven disciples.
Now we all know that every follower of Jesus is
referred to as a disciple.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And the twelve that were chosen have the title of apostle.
So not all disciples are apostles, but all apostles are
also disciples. That's correct, because disciples are just simple followers
of him. So sometimes in the Bible, when they say
his disciples followed him, they can refer to the crowds
of followers. But in this case, this is my point.
(12:09):
In this case, he's referring to the eleven. Yes, right, yes,
So he says, the eleven disciples for Galilee went to
the mountainside where Jesus had told him to go. When
they saw him, they worshiped him, but some of them doubted.
So clearly he's not talking about the crowd of disciples.
He is saying that some of the eleven doubted. And
(12:30):
that always floors me because this is, you know, some
of Jesus's last words, which means he's on the back
end of his forty days here, right, So Jesus is
on the back end. He's already risen. He's already appeared
to the disciples. He's already told Thomas, come and touch
my you know, hands and my side. He's already appeared
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with people, walked with people, you know, he made fish,
you know, breakfast for them. He's given forgiveness to Peter,
he's taught I mean, goodness, gracious, how can the eleven
still doubt?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well? Do you think it says some Do you think
that this because Matthew does not tell the story of
doubting Thomas.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh wow, I never had that thought before.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Right, So he doesn't tell the story of Thomas.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So you think Matthew is just summarizing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And a bunch of other stuff happened by the way
Thomas doubted. And then he moves on because he leaves
out every kind of stuff there. Wow, because it literally
goes from the religious leaders are bribing the guards. Yeah,
then there's forty days, yeah, and then Jesus is going
back to heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right, yeah, they go They go literally straight from bribing
the guards to Jesus' last word.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah. Because Matthew's purpose was different than the others, right,
So Matthew's just trying to establish that Jesus Matthew wrote
to the Jews explaining that Jesus was the Messiah. That's right,
And so the other things he leaves out different things
that don't drive rate at that exact idea. So the
death barrel resurrection happened. Now he goes back to having
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gives us ob mission. The other things aren't really part
of his narrative.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And Luke wrote primarily to the gentiles.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To the gentiles.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So imagine that. Imagine these writers
who recording the Gospels, and one of them is directed
specifically at you know, good Jewish boys and ladies who
grew up and completely know the Jewish customs, you know,
believers of the Old Testament, the Old Testament God, the
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Law of Moses. They knew like the back of their hand.
And and Matthew is connecting the dots right and then
and then people like gentiles, which is everybody who's non Jewish,
they grew up not knowing necessarily the Law of Moses,
not practicing hardly anything. So a lot of the stuff
you'll see in Matthew you don't see in Luke. But
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Luke was a doctor, right, Yes, So Luke was very precise,
he was very technical, and he's the guy who like
unpacks empirical evidence. He's the guy who has like full explanations,
and he's the one that's trying to convince the non believer,
in the non Jewish person that Jesus is the Messiah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And Matthew Levi was a tax collector, yes, and so
he has kind of a it's almost like a checklist
when you read his thing, he goes and then he
did this, and then he did this, and then he
did this, and then he did this. Right, that's what
he's doing. He's kind of checking off the Jewish checklist
of this is why he's a Messiah, and this is
why he's Messiah, and this is why he's Messiah. Right.
So they both have a lot of precision in the
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way that they write. It's just the pacing of Matthews
isn't always in the storytelling of it as much as
it is the factual evidence that this guy is the Messiah.
So I think that this is just referencing Thomas. This
is what I think it is. Because it also doesn't
mention the fact that Jesus came to Peter when Peter
was fishing in Jesus fixing breakfast on the side of
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the thing. It doesn't mentioned the disciples on the road
to Mas that Jesus came and taught, right, there's all
those other things. There's a lot of things missing in
that in the gap between verse was it fifteen and
verse sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So so there's there's there's one that answer that explanation,
which I've not heard before either came from one of
four places. Either A you've heard that before in a sermon.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, I just thought of it. B.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, you didn't even let me say all four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was gonna say b's.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Gonna say B B you just thought of it. Yes,
uh C you studied it in the past and discovered
it yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, I've never contemplated it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Or D I was going to say there was a
note in your life up.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, Nope, there's It's just I'd never really thought about
it before. But wow, Actually, here's how it works. You
say a thing and I immediately try to figure out
why it's wrong in everything and everything and every dingy yeah, yeah, everything.
You come in this morning, Hey, good morning. I'm like,
it wasn't that good of a morning.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Wow. Listen, you just said a minute ago you ranb
off scripture and you speak quickly, so people think you
know what you're doing right, But in the end, you
just want tacos.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just a simple guy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Guy. That's so funny, Dude, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So okay, that's ridiculous. Anyways, I think it's You're right.
It is amazing because it's the sentence by itself says
when they saw him, they worshiped him, but some of
them doubted, right, And that sentence is crazy. But what
we feel like is they're going to the mountain where
Jesus had told them to go, and we feel like
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this doubt happens right before he speaks at the mountain,
right right, And I just I'm not sure I believe
that that's what's happening there.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, yeah, because I mean think about it. I mean
just I mean, you already said it already, but think
about the plethora of him information that is not even
talked about. It is it is being summarized in a
couple sentences.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And so this is why studying the Bible so much fun,
because the Bible explains itself. It's its own best commentary.
So when you read all four narratives Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John, and then you read the first couple chapters
of Acts, you kind of know you understand how all
these things are working. And they cross reference each other
and explain each other a little bit. So anyways, the
big point here is that Jesus says, I've been given
all authority in heaven and on earth. Why because of
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his death, buryl and resurrection, right, he paid the price.
God says, Okay, you are the name above every name.
Later on we find out at the name of Jesus,
every knee is going to about and heaven and on
earth under the earth.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Right, you know what that reminds me of? By the way, sorry,
I had the instrument of this thought. You ever see
Brian Reagan, my favorite comedian. Yes, he actually says, the
most lazy writing in the world is the phrase and
then one thing led to another.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's a great one, yeah, he says, he says, He
says in nineteen or he goes at the late eighteen hundreds,
there was a little boy born named Adolf Hitler, and
he goes, and one thing led to another dot dot dot,
and then the United States dropped it at.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And Bob on Japan.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah. One thing led to another, right, Yeah, one thing
led to another. And there's so much in the middle
of that.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, that's what Matthew's doing, right.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
This is one of the things that's part of the
beauty of why God gave four gospels. Yeah, that's right, right,
is that each of them is appealing to a different
thinker in a different worldview. When you collectively put them together,
they tell many of the same stories, many the same events.
Then they all tell different events that the others don't
really cover very much, and then they give it from
different eyewitness accounts. You know, if you and I were
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standing on the sidewalking we both saw a car accident,
we would see it in a different way. We would
remember different facts. And so when the police come and
they're doing an investigation, they want you and me to
give the facts the way we saw them. But what
they're looking for is the differences in our facts so
they can piece the whole story together. Right, if we
came and gave the exact same storyline, it would sound
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like we rehearsed it, like we planned it right, like
we colluded together. But when you get when you get
these different writers and they're writing it from different perspectives,
you begin to realize, Okay, they're not colluding. They saw
the same thing, they experienced the same thing. So Jesus says,
I've been given all authority in heaven on earth, And
he says, because of that, therefore, anytime you read the
word therefore. I used to have a professor say, any
time you read the word therefore, you should pause and
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try to figure out what that's there for. That's right,
because something big happened right before. That's right, right. So
we all quote pat pastors love quoting the next verse,
But the reality is the power of the next verse
is in the verse before. I've been given all authority.
So since I'm in charge and I've been given all
authority because of that, now I want you to go
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and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, tone the
Father's son in the Holy Spirit, and teach these new
believers to obey all the commands they've given you. And
so he's given us a mission. The last thing Jesus said,
you would think Jesus on his way to heaven, you
think he'd say, hey, guys, it's going to be okay.
I'm gonna come back and get you someday. Hang in there, guys,
you yeah, hang in there, guys. Right, you can do
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all things through me, right right, that's what you think
he'd say. That's that's what we're wanting him to say.
We certainly don't want him give us a job, right right.
We want him to tell us all our wild this
dreams are going to come true now that he's going
to heaven. And he said he says, I've got a
job for you. Go make disciples. You want to know
what I have? People ask me all the time, Jeff,
I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to I've been
a Christian for all these years. I still don't feel
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like God's really spoken to me. I don't know what
I'm supposed to do with my life. And I'm like
I do if he hasn't spoken anything else, go make disciples.
That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, And it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Just making disciples, it's making disciple makers. Yes, that's right, right,
because we have disciples who make disciples. And so here
we are on the back end of it, two thousand
years later, where you know, if if they would have
just stopped right just by making disciples and then saying, Okay,
we've done our job, We've committed the assignment, right, But
that's not what happened. The gospel continued to, you know,
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spread from the Middle East all the way to where
we are here in Michigan through generations of people, and
since then, billions of people have crossed over and they've
become a disciple, and many of them have made disciples, right,
And so yeah, that's what God wants us to do.
He wants disciples making disciples who make disciples. So we
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are disciple makers, that's what we are.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And so you have to understand that at this point,
we know this. If you turn the pages a couple
of pages, go to Acts chapter one, there were one
hundred and twenty people in the Upper Room praying, waiting
for the Holy Spirit. So it's about one hundred and
twenty disciples, right. The twelve apparently made ten apiece, right, Yeah, somehow,
So there's one hundred and twenty disciples. They're in the
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Upper Room, they're praying from there. Every other disciple that's
ever followed Jesus ever since, every one of our listeners
that claims to be a follower of Jesus, that's a Christian.
All of us come from those one hundred and twenty
that were in the Upper Room on that day. And
so God's goal, Jesus' goal in this moment was everybody
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who's not yet needs to be right. Heaven's real, Hell
is real. This is He's going back into eternity in
this moment, and He's like, man, I wanted to bring
everybody I can with me, so I need you guys
to go. You have a mission. While you're here on earth.
You have a mission. And I mentioned this before, it's
kind of funny. We tend to think Christianity's about us,
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Salvation's about us, God's blessings are all about us, and
it's just kind of almost maybe it's a hint at
the narcissistic world we live in that it's all focused
on us. But think about that for a minute, that
the Gospel has been moving from disciple to disciple to
disciple for two thousand years, and for two thousand years,
it's been traveling from person to person at great peril
(23:50):
and great risk for many of them, people being put
in prison, people being executed, martyred because of the gospel.
And yet they just kept doing it. They kept taking
the gospel. So then what happens? It gets to you
and God goes it finally made it to Jeff, there
we did it. That's done.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, right right?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Instead of understanding the gospel came to me and you
on the way to someone else, right right, It can't
possibly in this incredible two thousand year thread of God
working miracles, Surely his intent was not for the thread
that got to me to end with me. It's supposed
to go on to our family, our friends, and this
is what Jesus is saying. So I think a lot
of times people have an understanding that they're supposed to
(24:31):
be sharing the gospel, they just haven't developed the skill set.
I think that that's really really important. You've got to
begin knowing God's word and learning how to share the
gospel so that people can respond.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, and you don't have to be a scholar to
do that. No, all you have to do is just
know your story. Yeah, you can just say, hey, there's
three parts of every great conversion story, which is, hey,
here's all I know. I know that this is where
I was before I met Jesus, and then here's how
I met Jesus, and now my life is better because
of Jesus. Right, And that holds true whether your life
(25:04):
was tragic or whether your life was going fantastic, but
yet there was an emptiness inside.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I always encourage people in that middle part, here's
how I met Jesus. A lot of people say I
went to church and got baptized, and now I'm a Christian,
as opposed to you discovered that you were a sinner
that needed a savior. Right that that part is what
your friend needs to hear is that we're all sinners
and we all need to be saved, we all need
to be rescued by Jesus, right, And then scripture is
(25:29):
super important in that as well. But yeah, that's it,
learning how to tell your story in God's story.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's great. Well, hey, that is a great discussion on
the Great Commission. So hopefully we will see you tomorrow
on the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Guys,
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is Chris, and it's going to be an
amazing episode today. Chris, it is because this is the
first one of the week.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You have to say your name.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm Jeff. There you go say that we have this
cool I'm je behind us. You've got a star over
your head because you're a star.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I am a star.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm a star.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hey. By the way, this morning, just this morning, I
got three texts. So it's nine am on a Wednesday.
We're filming this.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Three texts. I said, you're a star.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, I got three texts saying that apparently the Bible
Guys episode that aired this morning. One was from Russia.
I got a text from Russia of saying of somebody
saying that.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
They appreciate their watching you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
They said that, yes, but they said they appreciated me
saying that Lazarus came out of the tune with jazz hands.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it was three texts this morning. Well, that's the
deep stuff to everybody's Bible study of promotional material is
jazz hands.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You're welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So it is going to be a great day. And
the reason why we have stars over our heads is
because the set behind us is set up for kids
camp at Heritage Church. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, this kind of our big vacation Bible school during
the during the summer, and we had like five hundred
kids last night.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Or some crazy things crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, So they're using this stage and then we just
pop in in the middle of the day to shoot
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're borring it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
This will be for the next couple weeks. I think
it'll be up for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So well, hey, we have a segment that Desiree gave us,
and this is one of our it's the only one
that has a theme song. It does ready mail bag,
and it's our listeners send in comments or questions or
critiques and complaints mostly yes, disagreements with the crazy Bible guys,
(02:02):
and Desiree kind of filters through those and puts one
out for us and then we get to answer it.
So this one today is from Amanda b Amanda, be
Hi Amanda, and it says you both strike me as
open books. Thanks Amanda, comic books. I think probably is, Yeah,
what do you are?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You a sophisticated novel and I'm a comic book?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Is that what it is? You know? I say comic books?
It was plural, So.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm multiple books and like the Great gats mean or something. Okay,
I get.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It, Crime and Punishment, I get it. Here you go.
You both strike me as open books. But is there
something you wish people saw or understood about you that
they really usually don't? Yeah, that's a Mannes's question. So,
you know, it seems like we're fairly transparent. So which
is the ruse we've been keeping up for quite some time?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I do have something instinctively that Kim comes to mind. Okay,
so you and I both are the same personality profile
type in a lot of ways, right, Yes, in a
lot of ways. We have the same spiritual gifts, same
personality profile type, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
The fact that the world got two of us, just
one of them is really it's what a blessing, What
an age to be living in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You're welcome, You're welcome everybody. Yeah, it's pretty bad. So,
but we are according to the Myers Briggs In case
you're familiar, with that is we are e n tpis
in which stands for extrovert intuitive thinker and then perceiver.
That's correct, right, Yes, Now what is the percentage? Isn't
(03:37):
isn't it a rare type?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, it's like two to three percent of the population
has that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, two to three percent.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Think about that, like, wow, that's a lot, right, so
or it's small.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
No, No, I meant. I meant like, that's a lot
to take.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, a lot to take it. It is what I
meant anyway. So the point is is that because of
our personality profile type, somebody on the that might interact
with me, maybe on a leadership level or you know,
behind the scenes, or you know, maybe if we're working
on projects together. Uh, we don't necessarily come across as
(04:12):
the most emotional people. But yet I feel every emotion, right, So,
like even in my interactions, uh, you know, like I'll
respond to something and and and and they may say, well, wow,
you're not as sensitive and you don't think about these emotions.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
The e NTP personality profile, the high thinker can come
across that way. But I actually believe or not, I
wish people knew that you know and you know this
about me, like I have a ton of.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Emotion, yes, yes, right, you know that. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Well you're you're you're an emotional person.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I think the e NTP part of it for you
because your your emotions are out there. Everybody knows. You're
quick to cry, you're quick to laugh. Yeah, you live
your entire life in hyperbole. It's all big or little.
It's it's the best or the worst. Right, So, so
the emotion side is there the differ diferences for an EMTP.
We're not shy about being very direct because of the
efficiency of it, because we're not offended when people are
(05:07):
direct with us, right, My fact we prefer people to
be direct with us. That's right, is my fact. That
was going to be my thing is I think I
think I would prefer people to be direct with me
and it's not offensive as long as you're coming in
with a good attitude. I prefer people to be direct,
and I think sometimes people misunderstand our directness. So I
(05:28):
think you are much more emotional and that's that has
to do with all the other things. It's not like
you stuffed down your emotions like I do. Instead, I
think it's just that you you also are willing to
be direct because you want to make it better. So
you're like, hey, this is awful, let's fix it. And
you don't mean you're an awful person. You're saying, this
(05:48):
product is awful, let's make this product better, right, And
you're not shy about being direct on that, And I
think that that feels like you're heartless and you're not.
You've got like the biggest heart in the world.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Chris, I appreciate that, man, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, that was hyperbole.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I was I was just gonna say, I was just
gonna say that's a little overstatement.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. The other thing
is I wish I wish people understood about me that
sometimes I talk fast and and quote a lot of scripture,
so it sounds like I know what I'm doing, But
really I just want somebody to bring me tacos. Hey.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We did have people show up and heard in church
and bring you uh for what is it called?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And then uh yeah, yeah that was right. This week.
They were sitting on my on my table in my
office when I came in, so it was great. Somebody
brought me one yesterday too, it was super nice. So
keeping coming people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I meant to say thank you. I meant to say
thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right right, right, but I'm talking to the list now.
Somehow you've managed this living in tacos.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, that's right, So the bring me tacos. That's so.
The other thing I wish people would know is I
have a high level of satisfaction with setting goals and
accomplishing goals. And because then you know this, I measure everything.
I measure everything, yes, so I know exactly what the
(07:16):
trend has been, and then I just try to move
the needle a couple percentage points on a trend. I'm
satisfied when we hit that trend. We keep moving on.
Just move along, move along, movement. And so what happens
I forget to celebrate, and I forget to go tell
people how amazing they are and thank you and that
you've made this happen and you know, all those things
that I forget to celebrate, and so I kind of
leave people in the dust, sometimes unintentionally.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And to be fair, most unfortunately, most leaders forget to celebrate. Yeah, yeah,
most strong leaders forget to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah. And in the church world, the kind of work
we do. Sunday comes every seven days. I don't know
if our listeners have ever contemplated that, right, but Sunday
comes every seven days. So it's just bang bang bang
bang bang. You know, if this was a Broadway show
that we were doing, we would do the exact same
thing with the same line. It's in the same moves,
the same lighting, and the same songs for weeks and
weeks and months and months and months. And instead every
(08:06):
message is brand new the next weekend. Every song that
is done wasn't done last week, right, all the stuff
that we do, and so there's a lot of chaos
in trying to make every weekend happen in a meaningful
way for thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And not to mention creative ideas incepting from scratch.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And of course we rely on the Holy Spirit to
guide us with regard to our messages, and we invite
him into the planning and all those things. But as
we're racing along, sometimes it can feel like we forget.
And so that's the thing I wish people knew how much,
how incredibly grateful I am for the fact that they've
joined us on this mission and they're making it happen together.
(08:44):
It's really great. But I forget. I forget to say
thank you a.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Lot great answers.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh, that's wonderful. And I just want tacos.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And yeah, and somehow I always want to talk to
he doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
To talk exactly that deep down inside. Yeah, if you
want to know that secret thing deep done inside. We
just want tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So we're read at our time. Actually we're about a
minute past our time. But what's your favorite taco place
in the area?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
My tacos. I love those pork tacos I make with
the Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, but if somebody were to bring you tacos, what's
your favorite?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh, I don't know. I don't I don't even have
a favorite taco place here.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You just like all tacos. Yeah, okay, all right, all right,
just just asking so for the sake of our listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes, well, hey, uh boy, I don't even know what
transition for this.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
One, speaking of.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Going out and finding tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Finding tacos, Jesus commands us to go out and find disciples.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh yeah, that is terrible. Yeah, yeah, it's a terrible transition. Well,
that does come up here in Matthew chapter twenty eight.
It does one of the this is like the last
thing Jesus is saying. These are the last orders he
gives us before he goes back, known as.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The Great Commission. And wouldn't you think that somebody's last
words would be important?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I would imagine. Yeah. Well, in the military, they have
the principle of the last standing orders. So whatever the
last order you got, you're supposed to keep doing that
until you get a new order.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I know you're going to complete this, but complete this
the rest of this quote.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
My father's final words were.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's Princess Bride. Yeah, ye, Prince humperdink.
I don't know. I can't remember. Love her, yes, as
I have loved her, and and there will be peace
in the land. No joy, joy, love.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
As I've loved her, and there will be joy.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay. So here we are in Matthew chapter twenty eight. Yep,
and we're going to start in verse sixteen. Just read
to the end of the chapter. It says, then the
eleven disciples left for Galilee. Do you remember Jesus had
died and risen I do remember that Judas is out
of the picture. Now he killed himself, and so now
there's only eleven disciples, yep. And so then the eleven
disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus
(11:02):
had told them to go. When they saw him, they
worshiped him, but some of them doubted. Jesus came and
told his disciples, I have been given all authority in
heaven and on earth. Therefore go and make disciples of
all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father
and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And teach these
new disciples to obey all the commands I've given you.
And be sure of this. I am with you always,
(11:24):
even to the end of the age.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, so very quick, A very quick what five verses?
But I have to say this the thing that always
sticks out when I read this, and it's only recorded
here in Matthew obviously, but it says the eleven disciples.
Now we all know that every follower of Jesus is
referred to as a disciple.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And the twelve that were chosen have the title of apostle.
So not all disciples are apostles, but all apostles are
also disciples. That's correct, because disciples are just simple followers
of him. So sometimes in the Bible, when they say
his disciples followed him, they can refer to the crowds
of followers. But in this case, this is my point.
(12:09):
In this case, he's referring to the eleven. Yes, right, yes,
So he says, the eleven disciples for Galilee went to
the mountainside where Jesus had told him to go. When
they saw him, they worshiped him, but some of them doubted.
So clearly he's not talking about the crowd of disciples.
He is saying that some of the eleven doubted. And
(12:30):
that always floors me because this is, you know, some
of Jesus's last words, which means he's on the back
end of his forty days here, right, So Jesus is
on the back end. He's already risen. He's already appeared
to the disciples. He's already told Thomas, come and touch
my you know, hands and my side. He's already appeared
(12:54):
with people, walked with people, you know, he made fish,
you know, breakfast for them. He's given forgiveness to Peter,
he's taught I mean, goodness, gracious, how can the eleven
still doubt?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well? Do you think it says some Do you think
that this because Matthew does not tell the story of
doubting Thomas.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh wow, I never had that thought before.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Right, So he doesn't tell the story of Thomas.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So you think Matthew is just summarizing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And a bunch of other stuff happened by the way
Thomas doubted. And then he moves on because he leaves
out every kind of stuff there. Wow, because it literally
goes from the religious leaders are bribing the guards. Yeah,
then there's forty days, yeah, and then Jesus is going
back to heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right, yeah, they go They go literally straight from bribing
the guards to Jesus' last word.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah. Because Matthew's purpose was different than the others, right,
So Matthew's just trying to establish that Jesus Matthew wrote
to the Jews explaining that Jesus was the Messiah. That's right,
And so the other things he leaves out different things
that don't drive rate at that exact idea. So the
death barrel resurrection happened. Now he goes back to having
(14:11):
gives us ob mission. The other things aren't really part
of his narrative.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And Luke wrote primarily to the gentiles.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To the gentiles.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So imagine that. Imagine these writers
who recording the Gospels, and one of them is directed
specifically at you know, good Jewish boys and ladies who
grew up and completely know the Jewish customs, you know,
believers of the Old Testament, the Old Testament God, the
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Law of Moses. They knew like the back of their hand.
And and Matthew is connecting the dots right and then
and then people like gentiles, which is everybody who's non Jewish,
they grew up not knowing necessarily the Law of Moses,
not practicing hardly anything. So a lot of the stuff
you'll see in Matthew you don't see in Luke. But
(14:57):
Luke was a doctor, right, Yes, So Luke was very precise,
he was very technical, and he's the guy who like
unpacks empirical evidence. He's the guy who has like full explanations,
and he's the one that's trying to convince the non believer,
in the non Jewish person that Jesus is the Messiah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And Matthew Levi was a tax collector, yes, and so
he has kind of a it's almost like a checklist
when you read his thing, he goes and then he
did this, and then he did this, and then he
did this, and then he did this. Right, that's what
he's doing. He's kind of checking off the Jewish checklist
of this is why he's a Messiah, and this is
why he's Messiah, and this is why he's Messiah. Right.
So they both have a lot of precision in the
(15:37):
way that they write. It's just the pacing of Matthews
isn't always in the storytelling of it as much as
it is the factual evidence that this guy is the Messiah.
So I think that this is just referencing Thomas. This
is what I think it is. Because it also doesn't
mention the fact that Jesus came to Peter when Peter
was fishing in Jesus fixing breakfast on the side of
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the thing. It doesn't mentioned the disciples on the road
to Mas that Jesus came and taught, right, there's all
those other things. There's a lot of things missing in
that in the gap between verse was it fifteen and
verse sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So so there's there's there's one that answer that explanation,
which I've not heard before either came from one of
four places. Either A you've heard that before in a sermon.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, I just thought of it. B.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, you didn't even let me say all four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was gonna say b's.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Gonna say B B you just thought of it. Yes,
uh C you studied it in the past and discovered
it yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, I've never contemplated it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Or D I was going to say there was a
note in your life up.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, Nope, there's It's just I'd never really thought about
it before. But wow, Actually, here's how it works. You
say a thing and I immediately try to figure out
why it's wrong in everything and everything and every dingy yeah, yeah, everything.
You come in this morning, Hey, good morning. I'm like,
it wasn't that good of a morning.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Wow. Listen, you just said a minute ago you ranb
off scripture and you speak quickly, so people think you
know what you're doing right, But in the end, you
just want tacos.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just a simple guy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Guy. That's so funny, Dude, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So okay, that's ridiculous. Anyways, I think it's You're right.
It is amazing because it's the sentence by itself says
when they saw him, they worshiped him, but some of
them doubted, right, And that sentence is crazy. But what
we feel like is they're going to the mountain where
Jesus had told them to go, and we feel like
(17:43):
this doubt happens right before he speaks at the mountain,
right right, And I just I'm not sure I believe
that that's what's happening there.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, yeah, because I mean think about it. I mean
just I mean, you already said it already, but think
about the plethora of him information that is not even
talked about. It is it is being summarized in a
couple sentences.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And so this is why studying the Bible so much fun,
because the Bible explains itself. It's its own best commentary.
So when you read all four narratives Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John, and then you read the first couple chapters
of Acts, you kind of know you understand how all
these things are working. And they cross reference each other
and explain each other a little bit. So anyways, the
big point here is that Jesus says, I've been given
all authority in heaven and on earth. Why because of
(18:29):
his death, buryl and resurrection, right, he paid the price.
God says, Okay, you are the name above every name.
Later on we find out at the name of Jesus,
every knee is going to about and heaven and on
earth under the earth.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Right, you know what that reminds me of? By the way, sorry,
I had the instrument of this thought. You ever see
Brian Reagan, my favorite comedian. Yes, he actually says, the
most lazy writing in the world is the phrase and
then one thing led to another.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's a great one, yeah, he says, he says, He
says in nineteen or he goes at the late eighteen hundreds,
there was a little boy born named Adolf Hitler, and
he goes, and one thing led to another dot dot dot,
and then the United States dropped it at.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And Bob on Japan.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah. One thing led to another, right, Yeah, one thing
led to another. And there's so much in the middle
of that.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, that's what Matthew's doing, right.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
This is one of the things that's part of the
beauty of why God gave four gospels. Yeah, that's right, right,
is that each of them is appealing to a different
thinker in a different worldview. When you collectively put them together,
they tell many of the same stories, many the same events.
Then they all tell different events that the others don't
really cover very much, and then they give it from
different eyewitness accounts. You know, if you and I were
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standing on the sidewalking we both saw a car accident,
we would see it in a different way. We would
remember different facts. And so when the police come and
they're doing an investigation, they want you and me to
give the facts the way we saw them. But what
they're looking for is the differences in our facts so
they can piece the whole story together. Right, if we
came and gave the exact same storyline, it would sound
(20:03):
like we rehearsed it, like we planned it right, like
we colluded together. But when you get when you get
these different writers and they're writing it from different perspectives,
you begin to realize, Okay, they're not colluding. They saw
the same thing, they experienced the same thing. So Jesus says,
I've been given all authority in heaven on earth, And
he says, because of that, therefore, anytime you read the
word therefore. I used to have a professor say, any
time you read the word therefore, you should pause and
(20:25):
try to figure out what that's there for. That's right,
because something big happened right before. That's right, right. So
we all quote pat pastors love quoting the next verse,
But the reality is the power of the next verse
is in the verse before. I've been given all authority.
So since I'm in charge and I've been given all
authority because of that, now I want you to go
(20:46):
and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, tone the
Father's son in the Holy Spirit, and teach these new
believers to obey all the commands they've given you. And
so he's given us a mission. The last thing Jesus said,
you would think Jesus on his way to heaven, you
think he'd say, hey, guys, it's going to be okay.
I'm gonna come back and get you someday. Hang in there, guys,
you yeah, hang in there, guys. Right, you can do
(21:07):
all things through me, right right, that's what you think
he'd say. That's that's what we're wanting him to say.
We certainly don't want him give us a job, right right.
We want him to tell us all our wild this
dreams are going to come true now that he's going
to heaven. And he said he says, I've got a
job for you. Go make disciples. You want to know
what I have? People ask me all the time, Jeff,
I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to I've been
a Christian for all these years. I still don't feel
(21:28):
like God's really spoken to me. I don't know what
I'm supposed to do with my life. And I'm like
I do if he hasn't spoken anything else, go make disciples.
That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, And it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Just making disciples, it's making disciple makers. Yes, that's right, right,
because we have disciples who make disciples. And so here
we are on the back end of it, two thousand
years later, where you know, if if they would have
just stopped right just by making disciples and then saying, Okay,
we've done our job, We've committed the assignment, right, But
that's not what happened. The gospel continued to, you know,
(22:00):
spread from the Middle East all the way to where
we are here in Michigan through generations of people, and
since then, billions of people have crossed over and they've
become a disciple, and many of them have made disciples, right,
And so yeah, that's what God wants us to do.
He wants disciples making disciples who make disciples. So we
(22:22):
are disciple makers, that's what we are.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And so you have to understand that at this point,
we know this. If you turn the pages a couple
of pages, go to Acts chapter one, there were one
hundred and twenty people in the Upper Room praying, waiting
for the Holy Spirit. So it's about one hundred and
twenty disciples, right. The twelve apparently made ten apiece, right, Yeah, somehow,
So there's one hundred and twenty disciples. They're in the
(22:45):
Upper Room, they're praying from there. Every other disciple that's
ever followed Jesus ever since, every one of our listeners
that claims to be a follower of Jesus, that's a Christian.
All of us come from those one hundred and twenty
that were in the Upper Room on that day. And
so God's goal, Jesus' goal in this moment was everybody
(23:07):
who's not yet needs to be right. Heaven's real, Hell
is real. This is He's going back into eternity in
this moment, and He's like, man, I wanted to bring
everybody I can with me, so I need you guys
to go. You have a mission. While you're here on earth.
You have a mission. And I mentioned this before, it's
kind of funny. We tend to think Christianity's about us,
(23:29):
Salvation's about us, God's blessings are all about us, and
it's just kind of almost maybe it's a hint at
the narcissistic world we live in that it's all focused
on us. But think about that for a minute, that
the Gospel has been moving from disciple to disciple to
disciple for two thousand years, and for two thousand years,
it's been traveling from person to person at great peril
(23:50):
and great risk for many of them, people being put
in prison, people being executed, martyred because of the gospel.
And yet they just kept doing it. They kept taking
the gospel. So then what happens? It gets to you
and God goes it finally made it to Jeff, there
we did it. That's done.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, right right?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Instead of understanding the gospel came to me and you
on the way to someone else, right right, It can't
possibly in this incredible two thousand year thread of God
working miracles, Surely his intent was not for the thread
that got to me to end with me. It's supposed
to go on to our family, our friends, and this
is what Jesus is saying. So I think a lot
of times people have an understanding that they're supposed to
(24:31):
be sharing the gospel, they just haven't developed the skill set.
I think that that's really really important. You've got to
begin knowing God's word and learning how to share the
gospel so that people can respond.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, and you don't have to be a scholar to
do that. No, all you have to do is just
know your story. Yeah, you can just say, hey, there's
three parts of every great conversion story, which is, hey,
here's all I know. I know that this is where
I was before I met Jesus, and then here's how
I met Jesus, and now my life is better because
of Jesus. Right, And that holds true whether your life
(25:04):
was tragic or whether your life was going fantastic, but
yet there was an emptiness inside.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I always encourage people in that middle part, here's
how I met Jesus. A lot of people say I
went to church and got baptized, and now I'm a Christian,
as opposed to you discovered that you were a sinner
that needed a savior. Right that that part is what
your friend needs to hear is that we're all sinners
and we all need to be saved, we all need
to be rescued by Jesus, right, And then scripture is
(25:29):
super important in that as well. But yeah, that's it,
learning how to tell your story in God's story.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's great. Well, hey, that is a great discussion on
the Great Commission. So hopefully we will see you tomorrow
on the Bible.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Guys,
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