November 19, 2025 • 25 mins
Episode 818:
In this episode, we dive into the profound topic of God's promises, specifically focusing on Psalm 91, which speaks to God's protection over His people. We highlight its comforting verses that assure us of God's protection. We discuss how this Psalm was quoted by Satan during the temptation of Jesus, illustrating its significance and applicability even in that context. We reflect on the role of angels as God's messengers and protectors, noting that while they are not to be worshipped, they serve an important function in our lives.
In this episode, we dive into the profound topic of God's promises, specifically focusing on Psalm 91, which speaks to God's protection over His people. We highlight its comforting verses that assure us of God's protection. We discuss how this Psalm was quoted by Satan during the temptation of Jesus, illustrating its significance and applicability even in that context. We reflect on the role of angels as God's messengers and protectors, noting that while they are not to be worshipped, they serve an important function in our lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hey, well, good morning and welcome to the Bible guys.
We are in the middle of a series about God's promises.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Man, I'm so glad they're all here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Everybody, everybody's here, they're all tuned in today.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Just the multitudes people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are thousands. That's pretty that's pretty help. Like I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I mean, it's not like David Ann Wilson's podcast. I
always think of that like four million a month or something.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, but you know, if I had a better sidekick, Yeah,
Dave has ann.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So it's a it's all It's all about you. It's
all about you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you had a better sidekick. It's Batman and Robin
who wants to be Robin the boy Wonder with the
green shoes and the shorts.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Woa man.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So anyway we are before we dive into Psalm chapter
ninety one talking about God's protection. We are going to
have a segment actually that we just did a whole
week on this called stump the pastor.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, that was a fun one. I'd like to do
that again.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It was a good week.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it was really like it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah. And so this one comes from Jony p Yes,
which which we've we've had questions before from Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes. Joni leaves comments often.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah. So here's what Jonie says.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
She's hi Joni, Hi Jonny, and she's a super fan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, yeah, she's awesome. So Jonie says, I've heard y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Does she's y'all? Is she Southern y'all?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
She said y'all. Yeah, Okay, I have.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
A tendency to want to read it now like I'm
in Georgia because I lived in Atlanta, Yes, ten years
I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts and
how oh no, and okay, fine, I want to do it.
You need some sweet tea, you're some sweet Okay, fine,
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I'll do it normal.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So
how can anyone be sent to Hell if they are
pre wired to not believe in something they cannot see?
So she's saying if a person is pre wired to
be a skeptic, or if somebody is pre wired to
not have faith, if they don't have the gift of
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faith or something I guess is what she's implying.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I think we have to kind of be a
little bit of a I think I have to fill
in some of the gaps on the question.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, let me read it again.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I heard you all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So,
and because she's saying y'all, I think she's referring to
my gift of faith? Yes, okay, So how can anyone
be said to Hell if they are pre wired to
not believe something they cannot see.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's first of all, Jny, great question. Yeah, let's unpack
it in kind of the order. The main issue here, well,
the main issue is why would anybody go to Hell.
But first of all, let's get over to the where
it seems to be confusing to the two of us,
because yeah is particularly with regard to the confusion of
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spiritual gifts. So describe the spiritual gifts idea.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, the spiritual gifts idea is, we believe that every
Christian when they receive the Holy Spirit. First of all,
you receive the Holy Spirit when you become a Christian,
when you turn your life over to God, when you surrender,
when you repent and you trust in Christ, then the
Holy Spirit becomes alive. You house the Holy Spirit, and
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the Spirit gives us power. And along with power, God
equips us. Phesian chapter four tells us that He gives
us everything we need for a good spiritual life. And
among those things the Bible talks elsewhere, also actually in
Ephesians as well, where it talks about every Christian having
a spiritual gift. So I believe every spiritual every Christian
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has at least one spiritual gift, and I think that
many of us are wired to have many. And so basically,
people have a propensity to lean in one way or
the other. People are they gravitate toward they're just an
incredible teacher, or they're an incredible evangelist, or they're an
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incredible person of serving. They have the gift of serving
and helps, or they have the gift of wisdom or
discernment or now or you know all the different.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Spirits leadership, generosity. Yeah, there's a lot of those. You
can find the lists. There's three lists of spiritual gifts,
primary lists, and then there's a few other spiritual gifts.
Romans chapter twelve as a list. First, Corinthians chapter eleven
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and twelve and fourteen kind of all talk about gifts
in different ways, and then in Ephesians it gives a
list of spiritual gifts. And so there's about twenty six
depends on how you view gifts, twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight spiritual gifts, and God supernaturally gives those to
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you so that you can fulfill the mission He has
designed for you in his kingdom, rights for his glory,
it's for the advancements advancements of the kingdom. So one
of those spiritual gifts is the spiritual gift of faith,
which is different from what theologians would call selvific faith.
Selvific faith is the kind of faith that takes to
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be saved, to have your sins forgiven, to place your
faith and trust in Jesus Christ. So the gift of faith,
the spiritual gift of faith, is this belief that God's
gonna work things out, this belief that God promised he
would and he can and he will. That's a different thing.
Having faith that God's going to heal, having faith that
God's going to provide the resources, Having faith that God
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is going to solve this problem is different. Then it's
a totally different kind of faith from selvivific faith, the
faith that takes to be able to have your sins
forgiven and be and do.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You believe that every person has the ability to have
selvific faith.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So this question, why would anybody who doesn't have the
spiritual gift of faith ever go to Hell? Well, that's
a different issue completely. It's not about the spiritual gift
of faith. God gives spiritual gifts, but God does not
force the will. And when it comes to salvation, placing
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your faith in Christ, it's a surrender thing. And that's
a will issue, not a spiritual gift of I believe
God's going to work miracles. That's a totally different thing.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So what if she didn't necessarily mean the absence of
the spiritual gifts of faith, And what if she was
just referring to somebody being pre wired to not believe,
as somebody who is a radical skeptic.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, I would say God doesn't. So Romans Chapter one
tells us that God has given us the universe, and
all of creation points to a creator. God has given logic,
he's given scripture, he's given testimony and miracles. He's given
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all these things. And God would say, listen, the evidence
is there, and it doesn't require some stickle move of faith.
It's just a surrender of the will God. You're God,
and I'm not right. And that's not on God, that's
on the person. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So, no matter how skeptical a person is, that person
usually when you're skeptical, you're analytical anyway, right, right, And
so you're you're more cerebral, and you're you know, analytic
and intellectual, and so you know you can reason yourself
to the point to where you know you're like, Okay,
I need to investigate this for myself.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. So God may wire our personalities different, but God
did not wire our will against him anybody's will against him.
And so even Ecclesiastes says that God has planted eternity
in the hearts of humanity, right, And so this is
why people are so revolted by death. When you're around
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a dead body at a funeral or something, there's this
You go up there and you're sad, and at the
same time you're revolted by this idea of death. Right.
And it's because we know that we were made for
something more. We know it, and God placed that in us.
And so these are two different issues. And then God's
plan never was for anybody to go to hell. The
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Bible says that the hell is for the devil and
his angels, right, but those whose name was not found
written in the Lamb's book of life will also be
cast there. And so really it is a surrender issue.
Whosoever will may come. Jesus said, right, anyone whosoever calls
upon the name of the Lord will be saved. That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And he's not willing that any should perish.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, And so this is why he says in Roman's
ten nine, he said, you have to believe in your
heart and confess with your mouth. Jesus's Lord. Literally, there's
this surrender that I'm not the king anymore. You are
the king, right, And that's a different thing than just
the spiritual gift of faith that everything's going to work out.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay, yep, Well that's good.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's a good question and certainly worth talking about. And
you know what else is worth talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What's Yeah, that's a good one. Hey. Some ninety one
is one of my favorite psalms.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Stop stop Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This one's written by anonymous. Yeah, we don't know who
the author is, No, we do not. Yeah. So some
of the songs were written by David. Some of them
are written by Asaff, who is David's number one worship leader. Hey,
some are written by Moses.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I feel guilty because that was such a weak transition,
and I promised to do.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You want you want to do another one?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I want to do another one?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Try another one.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, I'll say this all right.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'll say I love I love that question because it
forces somebody to think about spiritual things beyond what we
can see, and that's exactly what our promise verse does
for us today.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Man, that's good, Chris, how about that? Yep?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That that felt like it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Had some, so we're giving mulligans on this on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Now you know what today we do.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay, okay, good, going to pick up the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I've got a mulligan.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Swing it again, yes, okay, okay, yeah. Well, here we are.
In a Psalm ninety one, it says those who live
in the shelter are the most high, will find rest
in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare about
the Lord. He alone is my refuge, my place of safety.
He is my God, and I trust him, for he
will rescue you from every trap and protect you from
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every deadly disease. He will cover you with his feathers,
he will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises
are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of
the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies
in the day. Do not dread the disease stalks in darkness,
nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand
fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you,
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these evils will not touch you. Just open your eyes
and see how the wicked are punished. If you make
the Lord your refuge, if you make the most high
your shelter, no evil will conquer you, No plague will
come near your home. For he will order his angels
to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you
up with their head hands, so you won't even hurt
your foot on a stone. You will trample upon lions
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and cobras, and you will crush fierce lions and serpents
under your feet. The Lord says, I will rescue those
who love me, and I will protect those who trust
in my name. When they call me, I will answer.
I will be with them in trouble. I will rescue
and honor them. I will reward them with a long
life and give them my salvation.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, there you go. I told just one of my favorites.
Those who live in the shelter the most high will
find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. What a
great verse, that verse. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yep, you're a big fan, big fan.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
But verse eleven is the one that we're concentrating on today. Oh,
for he will order his angels to protect you wherever
you go.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And where did we hear that before? Chris?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, that is the verse that the Devil himself quoted
to Jesus, that's right, for they will hold you up
with their hands, and so you won't even hurt your
foot on a stone.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So, when when Satan was tempting Gus to jump off
a big high place at the top of the temple,
he said, hey, just do that, and then the angels
will come down and save you, because after all, here's
the promise of God. And then he quoted his verse
for he will order his angels to protect you wherever
you go.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They will hold you up with.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Their hands so that you won't even hurt your foot
on a stone. Now, it's so interesting because sometimes we'll
read an Old Testament verse and we know we'll read
it like wondering about the context of the verse, and
we'll wonder about like whether or not that verse applies
to us today, right, And yet what we understand is
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the devil knows that Jesus himself can claim that verse
that has written about God's protection. Right, so that will
protect you by sending his angels.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So that is something that Jesus could have banked on
had he jumped off of that high place.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So both Jesus and Satan knew that this verse.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Was written thousands of years ago, and yet was completely
applicable to that day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Sure well, if you really are the son of God,
God's already set yeh, He'll protect you with his angels, right,
not just talking about the Son of God, but any
of his people.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And so then if you're really a son of God,
surely you can muster the angels to protect you, right,
that's what he's saying there. Yeah, that's amazing. So there's
this really great note here the Life Application Study Bible,
and it says one of the functions of angels is
to watch over believers, like in Hebrews one fourteen. There
are examples of guardian angels and scriptures in one Kings
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chapter nineteen and Daniel six Remember the Angel came and
protected Daniel Matthew eighteen Luke sixteen, Acts twelve, although there
is no indication that God assigns one angel to every believer.
So your little guardian angel on your shoulder, right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You look about the kind of angel that I get.
That that's what is it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's a wonderful, wonder our life.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, you look about the kind of angel I get.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It says angels can also be God's messengers like in
Matthew chapter two when he shows up to Mary. Right,
angels are not visible except on special occasions when they
show up and then they make themselves visible. It says
we are not to worship angels or become preoccupied with them.
They're God's servants, actively present and at work in the
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world in the words of Psalm one nineteen. That's what
Satan quoted here, Right, It's comforting to know that God
and his servants watch over us even in times of
great stress and fear, which is what David's highlighting here.
This wasn't about Jesus. It was just about God's people
and that God will protect God's angels, protect them God's.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Which which is why I think it's so fascinating that
Satan quo to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, that's right, Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, So it is interesting this entire you know, idea
of angels. Again, we we've mentioned this before, but we
believe that there is a spiritual war. There's a spiritual
realm that where a battle is being taken, you know,
that's taking place all the time. I didn't say that
very well. There's a spiritual realm where battles are being waged,
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waged right now, even maybe perhaps even in this room
right So, and we believe that God has an agenda,
Satan has an agenda, and we believe that there are
angels that are fighting on our behalf all the time.
And so, you know, we hear it in culture today.
Somebody will come out unscathed with something and somebody say, who, man,
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the angels are looking.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Out for you.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You know, I've had moments in my life where I've
had things happen where it was absolutely unexplainable. I fell
off of a two story ladder all the way up
on the second story on a cement driveway, completely fell
off my ladder, landed on my back, hit my head,
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and got up and shook myself off and walked away
from it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, it was the strangest.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You hit your head. Yes, it explained a lot. No,
But but you think that was God's angels protecting you.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I can't explain it otherwise. I because you know, my
my my friend, and my coworker and even my father
in law came and the ladder was still up. I
mean it was extended all the way up, and I
was painting underneath.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
The loft and I was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I was two stories high on this barn, and I said,
I leaned back because there was a wasp that fell
on me.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I leaned back like this, and I.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Completely went free falling and landed straight on my back
and that and and just and just got up and
didn't feel a bump on my head, didn't feel anything else.
How does a person do that, Jeff, I do And
so I'm like, I'm like that. And even back then,
I said that was a miracle of God. I cannot
explain how I just got up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You are invincible until God's done, until God's done with you.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
God had a plan, I guess so, but I I
really can't explain how that happened. And there have been
other times. There have been other times where I'm just like,
I don't understand how that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But I got away with it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Your guardian Angel comes home and goes, who, there's a
rough day? You know? There? You ever you remember the
remember that than Clarence, Remember the what was it? The
Hannah Barbara cartoons, like the Looney Tunes, Remember when the
the sheep dogs are checking out, punching out the other.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
More than rough exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I can just imagine your angel crossing, you know, punching out,
the next one's punching in. Going there's a rough day
to day. This calm fell off. He had a wasp
flying around his that he fell off the thing, landing
on his back. I could barely catch him and keep
an eye on him.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, I mean I've had I've had things like that happen,
and I have no other conclusion other than I have
to believe there's an angel. And I told you already
had an angel experience. I believe there was an angel experience.
I believe that God talked me about it, which is
a crazy story. And so yeah, I actually, really truly
there is nothing that could happen in this world, seriously nothing,
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you know, God forbid that a tragedy come my way,
and you know, and the worst things happen in my life.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But even if.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
They do, I think I will go to the grave
and nothing can convince me that God is not real
and that angels are real because of my experiences.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I like that. Yeah, and then I love the you know,
so there's the heel order as angels protect you, and
so God's paying attention. And then God's leveraging is his
resources to be able to do whatever needs to be
done to hold you up with their hands, right, so
you won't even hurt a foot on your stone. But
then fourteen through sixteen, the Lord says, I will rescue
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those who love me. So as promises are not just generic,
they're conditional. Right, I will rescue those who love me.
I will protect those who trust in my name. And
we know that Jesus name is above every name. Right,
so when they call on me, I will answer. I
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will be with them in trouble. I will rescue and
honor them. I will reward them with a long life
and give them my salvation. Who just anybody know those
who love me and trust in my name. Then he
also will be with us in trouble. He'll also hear
us when we call. He'll also rescue and honor us.
He also says, I'll give you a long life and
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give them my salvation. And so, really, what more could
we do that would have a greater benefit in our
life than to place all of our trust in him? Right,
to learn to really love God and loving God. Real
love is not based on what you can get from
the other person. Right. Real love always drives us to action.
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It always drives us to giving, So what can I
give to God? Really, you don't have anything to give
to God except you. And I was invited to write
a devotional along with some other Christian leaders on Jesus command,
love the Lord your God with all your heart, all
your soul, and all your mind. Right. It almost feels
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repetitive heart, soul, mind, right.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But what I realized was the other Gospel says strength to.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, well, the dude round me does. But in Luke
chapter two, Luke chapter or Matthew twenty two says heart, soul,
and mind. And I thought it was really interesting. The
heart is really all about what we want, right, That's
really it. It's our feelings, It's our desire.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
On the seat of emotion.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Our mind on the other end of this is all
about our will and our intellect and our doubts, our thoughts. Yep.
But the soul is who I am. It's the essence.
I have no heart without my soul. I have no
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mind without my soul. So it's interesting. We've talked about
this before a lot of times. The way Jesus would
talk or Paul would talk, the most important thing is
in the middle, and then everything else is about it, right,
And the most important thing is the essence of who
you are. Jesus is saying you need to love God
with everything that you are, which includes all of your
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appetites and your desires and your emotions. And it also
includes all of your will and your attitude, and your
your your decisions and your intellect. Right, it's all of
who you are. And this is what he's saying that
I will rescue those who love me. I will protect
those who trust my name. The love is the emotional side.
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Trust is more logical. Right, Either I trust you, I
don't trust you. So somebody say, oh, just run ahead, right,
and you're like, nope, I'm gonna does that? Is that
gonna hold me? Is that going to hold me? Trust
is more logical and love is more emotional. And he said,
I want both sides of your soul, right, I want
both sides of who you are. And if you give
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me all of who you are, I'll hear you when
you call, I'll be with you in trouble. I'll rescue you,
I'll honor you. I'll give you a long life. I
give you my salvation. It seems like a pretty good trade. Yes,
give me, give God all of who you are.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's a great application as well, because a lot of us,
I think, maybe struggle with one or the other. Right, So,
you know, like we were just saying, hey, I have
no problem with giving God what I want. I just
I'm just you know, I use my mind to rationalize
things away. Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe it's like, hey,
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I have no problem intellectually accepting what the truth is. However,
I just want what I want, you know, So maybe
that's a great application.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Just afraid it's really scary or right, the emotion side
is taking over?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So where do we struggle? Where
do you struggle?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Do you struggle emotionally with what you want or what
you feel, or do you struggle with more of the
skeptical party.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think I'm such a good Christian. I've got both
of these nailed.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm now ye, there is nothing else to get.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think I go back and forth between
the two. Yeah, I'm a pretty logical person.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think most of us do.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, but there are times when when life seems a
little overwhelming, and then at that point, you know, fear
can cause you to make some bad choices. I think,
so that's probably the side I would lean on.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, and I think a lot of us, I think
me included.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I think the more you go through life and the
more banged up you get, the more emotional, the more
the more the emotional side gets fragile. Yeah, and I've
definitely experienced that, So I wasn't this, you know, fragile emotionally,
I think before I got banged up a little bit.
So but hey, that looks like our time. So hey,
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what a great verse and what a great chapter. So
we will go ahead and hopefully see you tomorrow on
the Bible gas
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Hm hm
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
We got bonus material material there. Man, that's we should
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's right. Hey, you just got to raise Yes, so
did you. That's awesome. Yeah, we went from nothing to
plus nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Actually you're saying just enough now we probably have to
pay royalties.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh no, say you in the rain. That's funny.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hey, well, good morning and welcome to the Bible guys.
We are in the middle of a series about God's promises.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Man, I'm so glad they're all here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Everybody, everybody's here, they're all tuned in today.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Just the multitudes people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are thousands. That's pretty that's pretty help. Like I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I mean, it's not like David Ann Wilson's podcast. I
always think of that like four million a month or something.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, but you know, if I had a better sidekick, Yeah,
Dave has ann.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So it's a it's all It's all about you. It's
all about you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you had a better sidekick. It's Batman and Robin
who wants to be Robin the boy Wonder with the
green shoes and the shorts.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Woa man.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So anyway we are before we dive into Psalm chapter
ninety one talking about God's protection. We are going to
have a segment actually that we just did a whole
week on this called stump the pastor.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, that was a fun one. I'd like to do
that again.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It was a good week.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it was really like it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah. And so this one comes from Jony p Yes,
which which we've we've had questions before from Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes. Joni leaves comments often.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah. So here's what Jonie says.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
She's hi Joni, Hi Jonny, and she's a super fan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, yeah, she's awesome. So Jonie says, I've heard y'all.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Does she's y'all? Is she Southern y'all?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
She said y'all. Yeah, Okay, I have.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
A tendency to want to read it now like I'm
in Georgia because I lived in Atlanta, Yes, ten years
I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts and
how oh no, and okay, fine, I want to do it.
You need some sweet tea, you're some sweet Okay, fine,
(02:34):
I'll do it normal.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I heard y'all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So
how can anyone be sent to Hell if they are
pre wired to not believe in something they cannot see?
So she's saying if a person is pre wired to
be a skeptic, or if somebody is pre wired to
not have faith, if they don't have the gift of
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faith or something I guess is what she's implying.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I think we have to kind of be a
little bit of a I think I have to fill
in some of the gaps on the question.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, let me read it again.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I heard you all talk about your different spiritual gifts. So,
and because she's saying y'all, I think she's referring to
my gift of faith? Yes, okay, So how can anyone
be said to Hell if they are pre wired to
not believe something they cannot see.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's first of all, Jny, great question. Yeah, let's unpack
it in kind of the order. The main issue here, well,
the main issue is why would anybody go to Hell.
But first of all, let's get over to the where
it seems to be confusing to the two of us,
because yeah is particularly with regard to the confusion of
(03:44):
spiritual gifts. So describe the spiritual gifts idea.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, the spiritual gifts idea is, we believe that every
Christian when they receive the Holy Spirit. First of all,
you receive the Holy Spirit when you become a Christian,
when you turn your life over to God, when you surrender,
when you repent and you trust in Christ, then the
Holy Spirit becomes alive. You house the Holy Spirit, and
(04:09):
the Spirit gives us power. And along with power, God
equips us. Phesian chapter four tells us that He gives
us everything we need for a good spiritual life. And
among those things the Bible talks elsewhere, also actually in
Ephesians as well, where it talks about every Christian having
a spiritual gift. So I believe every spiritual every Christian
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has at least one spiritual gift, and I think that
many of us are wired to have many. And so basically,
people have a propensity to lean in one way or
the other. People are they gravitate toward they're just an
incredible teacher, or they're an incredible evangelist, or they're an
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incredible person of serving. They have the gift of serving
and helps, or they have the gift of wisdom or
discernment or now or you know all the different.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Spirits leadership, generosity. Yeah, there's a lot of those. You
can find the lists. There's three lists of spiritual gifts,
primary lists, and then there's a few other spiritual gifts.
Romans chapter twelve as a list. First, Corinthians chapter eleven
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and twelve and fourteen kind of all talk about gifts
in different ways, and then in Ephesians it gives a
list of spiritual gifts. And so there's about twenty six
depends on how you view gifts, twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight spiritual gifts, and God supernaturally gives those to
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you so that you can fulfill the mission He has
designed for you in his kingdom, rights for his glory,
it's for the advancements advancements of the kingdom. So one
of those spiritual gifts is the spiritual gift of faith,
which is different from what theologians would call selvific faith.
Selvific faith is the kind of faith that takes to
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be saved, to have your sins forgiven, to place your
faith and trust in Jesus Christ. So the gift of faith,
the spiritual gift of faith, is this belief that God's
gonna work things out, this belief that God promised he
would and he can and he will. That's a different thing.
Having faith that God's going to heal, having faith that
God's going to provide the resources, Having faith that God
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is going to solve this problem is different. Then it's
a totally different kind of faith from selvivific faith, the
faith that takes to be able to have your sins
forgiven and be and do.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You believe that every person has the ability to have
selvific faith.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So this question, why would anybody who doesn't have the
spiritual gift of faith ever go to Hell? Well, that's
a different issue completely. It's not about the spiritual gift
of faith. God gives spiritual gifts, but God does not
force the will. And when it comes to salvation, placing
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your faith in Christ, it's a surrender thing. And that's
a will issue, not a spiritual gift of I believe
God's going to work miracles. That's a totally different thing.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So what if she didn't necessarily mean the absence of
the spiritual gifts of faith, And what if she was
just referring to somebody being pre wired to not believe,
as somebody who is a radical skeptic.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, I would say God doesn't. So Romans Chapter one
tells us that God has given us the universe, and
all of creation points to a creator. God has given logic,
he's given scripture, he's given testimony and miracles. He's given
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all these things. And God would say, listen, the evidence
is there, and it doesn't require some stickle move of faith.
It's just a surrender of the will God. You're God,
and I'm not right. And that's not on God, that's
on the person. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
So, no matter how skeptical a person is, that person
usually when you're skeptical, you're analytical anyway, right, right, And
so you're you're more cerebral, and you're you know, analytic
and intellectual, and so you know you can reason yourself
to the point to where you know you're like, Okay,
I need to investigate this for myself.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. So God may wire our personalities different, but God
did not wire our will against him anybody's will against him.
And so even Ecclesiastes says that God has planted eternity
in the hearts of humanity, right, And so this is
why people are so revolted by death. When you're around
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a dead body at a funeral or something, there's this
You go up there and you're sad, and at the
same time you're revolted by this idea of death. Right.
And it's because we know that we were made for
something more. We know it, and God placed that in us.
And so these are two different issues. And then God's
plan never was for anybody to go to hell. The
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Bible says that the hell is for the devil and
his angels, right, but those whose name was not found
written in the Lamb's book of life will also be
cast there. And so really it is a surrender issue.
Whosoever will may come. Jesus said, right, anyone whosoever calls
upon the name of the Lord will be saved. That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And he's not willing that any should perish.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, And so this is why he says in Roman's
ten nine, he said, you have to believe in your
heart and confess with your mouth. Jesus's Lord. Literally, there's
this surrender that I'm not the king anymore. You are
the king, right, And that's a different thing than just
the spiritual gift of faith that everything's going to work out.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay, yep, Well that's good.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's a good question and certainly worth talking about. And
you know what else is worth talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
What's Yeah, that's a good one. Hey. Some ninety one
is one of my favorite psalms.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Stop stop Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
This one's written by anonymous. Yeah, we don't know who
the author is, No, we do not. Yeah. So some
of the songs were written by David. Some of them
are written by Asaff, who is David's number one worship leader. Hey,
some are written by Moses.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I feel guilty because that was such a weak transition,
and I promised to do.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You want you want to do another one?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I want to do another one?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Try another one.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, I'll say this all right.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I'll say I love I love that question because it
forces somebody to think about spiritual things beyond what we
can see, and that's exactly what our promise verse does
for us today.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Man, that's good, Chris, how about that? Yep?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
That that felt like it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Had some, so we're giving mulligans on this on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Now you know what today we do.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay, okay, good, going to pick up the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I've got a mulligan.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Swing it again, yes, okay, okay, yeah. Well, here we are.
In a Psalm ninety one, it says those who live
in the shelter are the most high, will find rest
in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare about
the Lord. He alone is my refuge, my place of safety.
He is my God, and I trust him, for he
will rescue you from every trap and protect you from
(11:19):
every deadly disease. He will cover you with his feathers,
he will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises
are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of
the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies
in the day. Do not dread the disease stalks in darkness,
nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand
fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you,
(11:41):
these evils will not touch you. Just open your eyes
and see how the wicked are punished. If you make
the Lord your refuge, if you make the most high
your shelter, no evil will conquer you, No plague will
come near your home. For he will order his angels
to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you
up with their head hands, so you won't even hurt
your foot on a stone. You will trample upon lions
(12:04):
and cobras, and you will crush fierce lions and serpents
under your feet. The Lord says, I will rescue those
who love me, and I will protect those who trust
in my name. When they call me, I will answer.
I will be with them in trouble. I will rescue
and honor them. I will reward them with a long
life and give them my salvation.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, there you go. I told just one of my favorites.
Those who live in the shelter the most high will
find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. What a
great verse, that verse. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yep, you're a big fan, big fan.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
But verse eleven is the one that we're concentrating on today. Oh,
for he will order his angels to protect you wherever
you go.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And where did we hear that before? Chris?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, that is the verse that the Devil himself quoted
to Jesus, that's right, for they will hold you up
with their hands, and so you won't even hurt your
foot on a stone.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So, when when Satan was tempting Gus to jump off
a big high place at the top of the temple,
he said, hey, just do that, and then the angels
will come down and save you, because after all, here's
the promise of God. And then he quoted his verse
for he will order his angels to protect you wherever
you go.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They will hold you up with.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Their hands so that you won't even hurt your foot
on a stone. Now, it's so interesting because sometimes we'll
read an Old Testament verse and we know we'll read
it like wondering about the context of the verse, and
we'll wonder about like whether or not that verse applies
to us today, right, And yet what we understand is
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the devil knows that Jesus himself can claim that verse
that has written about God's protection. Right, so that will
protect you by sending his angels.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So that is something that Jesus could have banked on
had he jumped off of that high place.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So both Jesus and Satan knew that this verse.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Was written thousands of years ago, and yet was completely
applicable to that day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Sure well, if you really are the son of God,
God's already set yeh, He'll protect you with his angels, right,
not just talking about the Son of God, but any
of his people.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And so then if you're really a son of God,
surely you can muster the angels to protect you, right,
that's what he's saying there. Yeah, that's amazing. So there's
this really great note here the Life Application Study Bible,
and it says one of the functions of angels is
to watch over believers, like in Hebrews one fourteen. There
are examples of guardian angels and scriptures in one Kings
(14:39):
chapter nineteen and Daniel six Remember the Angel came and
protected Daniel Matthew eighteen Luke sixteen, Acts twelve, although there
is no indication that God assigns one angel to every believer.
So your little guardian angel on your shoulder, right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You look about the kind of angel that I get.
That that's what is it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's a wonderful, wonder our life.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, you look about the kind of angel I get.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It says angels can also be God's messengers like in
Matthew chapter two when he shows up to Mary. Right,
angels are not visible except on special occasions when they
show up and then they make themselves visible. It says
we are not to worship angels or become preoccupied with them.
They're God's servants, actively present and at work in the
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world in the words of Psalm one nineteen. That's what
Satan quoted here, Right, It's comforting to know that God
and his servants watch over us even in times of
great stress and fear, which is what David's highlighting here.
This wasn't about Jesus. It was just about God's people
and that God will protect God's angels, protect them God's.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Which which is why I think it's so fascinating that
Satan quo to Jesus.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, that's right, Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, So it is interesting this entire you know, idea
of angels. Again, we we've mentioned this before, but we
believe that there is a spiritual war. There's a spiritual
realm that where a battle is being taken, you know,
that's taking place all the time. I didn't say that
very well. There's a spiritual realm where battles are being waged,
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waged right now, even maybe perhaps even in this room
right So, and we believe that God has an agenda,
Satan has an agenda, and we believe that there are
angels that are fighting on our behalf all the time.
And so, you know, we hear it in culture today.
Somebody will come out unscathed with something and somebody say, who, man,
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the angels are looking.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Out for you.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You know, I've had moments in my life where I've
had things happen where it was absolutely unexplainable. I fell
off of a two story ladder all the way up
on the second story on a cement driveway, completely fell
off my ladder, landed on my back, hit my head,
(16:57):
and got up and shook myself off and walked away
from it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, it was the strangest.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You hit your head. Yes, it explained a lot. No,
But but you think that was God's angels protecting you.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I can't explain it otherwise. I because you know, my
my my friend, and my coworker and even my father
in law came and the ladder was still up. I
mean it was extended all the way up, and I
was painting underneath.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
The loft and I was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I was two stories high on this barn, and I said,
I leaned back because there was a wasp that fell
on me.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I leaned back like this, and I.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Completely went free falling and landed straight on my back
and that and and just and just got up and
didn't feel a bump on my head, didn't feel anything else.
How does a person do that, Jeff, I do And
so I'm like, I'm like that. And even back then,
I said that was a miracle of God. I cannot
explain how I just got up.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You are invincible until God's done, until God's done with you.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
God had a plan, I guess so, but I I
really can't explain how that happened. And there have been
other times. There have been other times where I'm just like,
I don't understand how that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But I got away with it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Your guardian Angel comes home and goes, who, there's a
rough day? You know? There? You ever you remember the
remember that than Clarence, Remember the what was it? The
Hannah Barbara cartoons, like the Looney Tunes, Remember when the
the sheep dogs are checking out, punching out the other.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
More than rough exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I can just imagine your angel crossing, you know, punching out,
the next one's punching in. Going there's a rough day
to day. This calm fell off. He had a wasp
flying around his that he fell off the thing, landing
on his back. I could barely catch him and keep
an eye on him.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, I mean I've had I've had things like that happen,
and I have no other conclusion other than I have
to believe there's an angel. And I told you already
had an angel experience. I believe there was an angel experience.
I believe that God talked me about it, which is
a crazy story. And so yeah, I actually, really truly
there is nothing that could happen in this world, seriously nothing,
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you know, God forbid that a tragedy come my way,
and you know, and the worst things happen in my life.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But even if.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
They do, I think I will go to the grave
and nothing can convince me that God is not real
and that angels are real because of my experiences.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I like that. Yeah, and then I love the you know,
so there's the heel order as angels protect you, and
so God's paying attention. And then God's leveraging is his
resources to be able to do whatever needs to be
done to hold you up with their hands, right, so
you won't even hurt a foot on your stone. But
then fourteen through sixteen, the Lord says, I will rescue
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those who love me. So as promises are not just generic,
they're conditional. Right, I will rescue those who love me.
I will protect those who trust in my name. And
we know that Jesus name is above every name. Right,
so when they call on me, I will answer. I
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will be with them in trouble. I will rescue and
honor them. I will reward them with a long life
and give them my salvation. Who just anybody know those
who love me and trust in my name. Then he
also will be with us in trouble. He'll also hear
us when we call. He'll also rescue and honor us.
He also says, I'll give you a long life and
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give them my salvation. And so, really, what more could
we do that would have a greater benefit in our
life than to place all of our trust in him? Right,
to learn to really love God and loving God. Real
love is not based on what you can get from
the other person. Right. Real love always drives us to action.
(20:55):
It always drives us to giving, So what can I
give to God? Really, you don't have anything to give
to God except you. And I was invited to write
a devotional along with some other Christian leaders on Jesus command,
love the Lord your God with all your heart, all
your soul, and all your mind. Right. It almost feels
(21:19):
repetitive heart, soul, mind, right.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But what I realized was the other Gospel says strength to.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, well, the dude round me does. But in Luke
chapter two, Luke chapter or Matthew twenty two says heart, soul,
and mind. And I thought it was really interesting. The
heart is really all about what we want, right, That's
really it. It's our feelings, It's our desire.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
On the seat of emotion.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Our mind on the other end of this is all
about our will and our intellect and our doubts, our thoughts. Yep.
But the soul is who I am. It's the essence.
I have no heart without my soul. I have no
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mind without my soul. So it's interesting. We've talked about
this before a lot of times. The way Jesus would
talk or Paul would talk, the most important thing is
in the middle, and then everything else is about it, right,
And the most important thing is the essence of who
you are. Jesus is saying you need to love God
with everything that you are, which includes all of your
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appetites and your desires and your emotions. And it also
includes all of your will and your attitude, and your
your your decisions and your intellect. Right, it's all of
who you are. And this is what he's saying that
I will rescue those who love me. I will protect
those who trust my name. The love is the emotional side.
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Trust is more logical. Right, Either I trust you, I
don't trust you. So somebody say, oh, just run ahead, right,
and you're like, nope, I'm gonna does that? Is that
gonna hold me? Is that going to hold me? Trust
is more logical and love is more emotional. And he said,
I want both sides of your soul, right, I want
both sides of who you are. And if you give
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me all of who you are, I'll hear you when
you call, I'll be with you in trouble. I'll rescue you,
I'll honor you. I'll give you a long life. I
give you my salvation. It seems like a pretty good trade. Yes,
give me, give God all of who you are.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's a great application as well, because a lot of us,
I think, maybe struggle with one or the other. Right, So,
you know, like we were just saying, hey, I have
no problem with giving God what I want. I just
I'm just you know, I use my mind to rationalize
things away. Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe it's like, hey,
(23:43):
I have no problem intellectually accepting what the truth is. However,
I just want what I want, you know, So maybe
that's a great application.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Just afraid it's really scary or right, the emotion side
is taking over?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So where do we struggle? Where
do you struggle?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Do you struggle emotionally with what you want or what
you feel, or do you struggle with more of the
skeptical party.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think I'm such a good Christian. I've got both
of these nailed.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm now ye, there is nothing else to get.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think I go back and forth between
the two. Yeah, I'm a pretty logical person.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think most of us do.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, but there are times when when life seems a
little overwhelming, and then at that point, you know, fear
can cause you to make some bad choices. I think,
so that's probably the side I would lean on.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, and I think a lot of us, I think
me included.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I think the more you go through life and the
more banged up you get, the more emotional, the more
the more the emotional side gets fragile. Yeah, and I've
definitely experienced that, So I wasn't this, you know, fragile emotionally,
I think before I got banged up a little bit.
So but hey, that looks like our time. So hey,
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what a great verse and what a great chapter. So
we will go ahead and hopefully see you tomorrow on
the Bible gas
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Hm hm
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.