November 24, 2025 • 22 mins
Episode 821:
In this episode, Chris and Wesley read from Psalm 25, focusing on verses 8 and 9, which emphasize God's goodness and His guidance for the humble. We highlight the importance of humility in receiving God's wisdom, explaining that true humility involves surrendering our own will to God's. Wesley adds that the assurance of God's goodness is crucial, especially for those going through tough times, reminding listeners that God is always good, even when we don't understand our circumstances.
In this episode, Chris and Wesley read from Psalm 25, focusing on verses 8 and 9, which emphasize God's goodness and His guidance for the humble. We highlight the importance of humility in receiving God's wisdom, explaining that true humility involves surrendering our own will to God's. Wesley adds that the assurance of God's goodness is crucial, especially for those going through tough times, reminding listeners that God is always good, even when we don't understand our circumstances.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everybody, it's Monday morning and we are The Bible Guys. Yes,
we have platinum edition with Wesley Woods today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Back again, You're.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Back again, bud yep. Jeff is not available.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we are in the green room of Heritage Church
flows who are watching a video and we're sort of
hopping around until we find our permanent home, which is coming.
But as of right now, we are. If you're listening
and you don't watch video, then you don't care about
any Yeah, they're like, what.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Are you talking?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, that's right. Well, hey listen.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're in the middle of a series. It's called The
Promises of God, and it's all in different contexts, and
this week's theme is God's guidance and wisdom. So before
we dive into that, we have a hot takes showdown.
And so every once in a while, this is what
desireeble to do. She'll say, uh, well, she'll want us
to argue really and defend our position. But if we
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think if we agree, it's it's probably less compelling, right, Okay,
But as we enter Thanksgiving week, she says, let's do
a hot take showdown focusing on Thanksgiving dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Pick a side, no middle ground, Okay, okay, so here's
the hot take.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You ready, I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Stuffing is overrated.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I agree, really, I agree. So I didn't really grow
up eating stuffing, really, so I didn't. So for like
a Thanksgiving meal, we would have dressing, which is a
little different than stuffing. Is kind of in the same family,
but a.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Little different dressings like gooier right.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, it's more firm. It's a little more firm where
I kind of feel like stuffing is more crumbly, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Huh. This is all sorts of stuffing.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And yeah, and I could guess it depends on who
made it and where, Like I would imagine stuffing in
the South is very different from stuffing in like New
Hampshire or something.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The funny thing is I grew up with my mom
making stovetop even you know, even at Thanksgiving, and you know,
it's really hard to beat stove top. Yeah, and so
I thought, man, stuffing is the best, the best. I
love stuffing. And then I did go down south. I
lived in Atlanta for ten years. Yeah, and I actually
had stuffing that was homemade, but to be honest, like
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it was just as good in a lot of ways.
And then I've tried stuffing that's like not good at all. Yeah,
I've had homemade stuffing that's like, this is stuffing. This
is like gooey, bland kind of stuff. So I don't know, man,
I'm gonna say stuffing is not overrated.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But I like stovetop the best.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I like stove It's good. Yeah,
but not for Thanksgiven though.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you remember the.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Old commercials they said we're having turkey and stuffing, and
then and then and then the mom says it's stovetop
and then the kid goes stovetop.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I'm staying Yeah, that's that was the line.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So all right here, here's here's the next hot take. Okay,
turkey isn't the star of the meal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh that's a tough one right there.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So I think people associate Thanksgiving with turkey. I mean,
I think that's a given here in America, but I
would I don't know. I gotta give it up for
the side dishes. Yeah, yeah, you know, like all the
other sides that go along with it. So that's a
tough one. So I definitely think you got probably gotta
have turkey.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But well, turkey is definitely everything centered around turkey.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But I think what she's meaning here is like, what
do what does everybody get most excited about?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know, they're like, oh, the green.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Bean cast role, or the sweet potato cast role, or
or you know, the mashed potatoes that are homemade. Like,
what do people get most excited about? I would probably
say istar, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think so, but that this is tricky, so I
would I would throw a curveball in this and say
the macaroni.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So but here's the thing with macaroni, and this is
a hot button topic right here, is do you make
macaroni on the stove or do you bake it like
on top of the stove or baked. I'm a baked guy.
It's got to be baked in the oven Southern style.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah. Well, Gordon Ramsay might say both.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I know. So Debbie, who's at Heritage Church
where we are at, she likes the very gooey yeah
kind of, And I'm like that's a hard no.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow, wow, Well I'm gonna say that turkey is the
star of the meale. And and it's because I like
my cranberry sauce. Yeah, and uh and so I like
the gravy, the cranberry sauce and on the perfect bite
for me is turkey with everything complimentive.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
With you're one of those people you take the fork
and you got to get a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, so I'll take I'll take like a bite of
turkey with mashed potatoes and corn and gravy, or turkey
and cranberry and all the above. So yeah, I say
turkey is the start.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You can't go wrong with Thanksgiving meals.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's really good, you can't. Yeah. So hey, what about that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Was?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That was a pretty cool discussion. And I wonder if
are you having family over? I wonder if I was
about to say, I wonder if most people are having
like family over for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So we're hosting it this year? Oh wow, Yeah, but
we're hosting it smart. We're getting all the food catered. Wow.
So this we've never done that before.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That is mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I mean it's probably gonna be wonderful.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And who are you gonna get catered?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a small like it's not family owned, but a
smaller restaurant in Farmington. Okay, they're going to do all
the food for us, So.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, good for you. So one and done, baby.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, typically happens is you spend the day before you're
cooking all day, You're king all day. We're like, we're
not doing that this year. We're just so.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I've got a good friend who always goes and watches
the Lions. Oh yeah, you know downtown Detroit. So they
their tradition is they.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Don't have Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Now, now they're a younger couple.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They don't really have like a lot of family and
so they don't have any kids, so it's just them.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah right, but guess what they do for Thanksgiving? Every
Thanksgiving meal?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Bob Evans apparently serves a really great Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Now I do know you can do the catering thing
from them, like for things.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, so on Thanksgiving they go to Bob Evans.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Wow, that is something that's their tradition. Yeah, if it works,
and then Lions.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And then Lions, Yeah, watch the Lions loose.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now, this is super year. That's right, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
This is the year it's gonna happen a believer, Yes
I am, And then next year I'll be saying the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, hey, that's great. So hey, we're gonna go ahead
and read today. Oh I should say, you know what, Wesley,
that segment was a tasty treat.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yes, and you know what, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What else is a tasty treat? Psalm Chapter twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
There are there are bits of there are bits of
nourishing treats that are sprinkled all the way through the chapter.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I feel like after that when we need it, like a.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But we're gonna be reading the whole chapter, but focusing
on verse number nine.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, are you are the reader?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I will read?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So this is Psalm five, reading out of the New
Living Translation. It says, Oh Lord, I give my life
to you. I trust in you, my God. Do not
let me be disgraced or let my enemies rejoice in
my feet. No one who trusts in you will ever
be disgraced. But disgrace comes to those who try to
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deceive others. Show me the right path, O, Lord, point
out the road for me to follow. Lead me by
your truth and teach me. For you are the God
who saves me. All day long. I put my hope
in you. Remember, o Lord, your compassion and unfailing love
which you have shown from long ages past. Do not
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remember the rebellious sins of my youth. Remember me in
the light of your unfailing love, for you are merciful,
O Lord. The Lord is good and does what is right.
He shows the proper path to those who go astray.
He leads the humble in doing right, teaching them his way.
The Lord leads with unfailing love and faithfulness all who
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keep his covenant and obey his demands. For the honor
of your name, O Lord, forgive my many many sins.
Who are those who fear the Lord. He will show
them the path they should choose. They will live in prosperity,
and their children will inherit the land. The Lord is
a friend to those who fear him. He teaches them
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his covenant. My eyes are always on the Lord, for
he rescues me from the traps of my enemies. Turn
to me and have mercy, for I am alone and
in deep distress. My problems go from bad to worse. Oh,
save me from them. All feel my pain and see
my trouble. Forgive all my sins. See how my enemies
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I have, See how many enemies I have, and how
viciously they hate me. Protect me, rescue my life from them.
Do not let me be disgraced. For in you I
take refuge. May integrity and honesty protect me, for I
put my hope in you. Oh God, ransom Israel from
all its troubles.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well there you go. Yeah, so this is a psalm
of David.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And just keep in mind that the psalms all were
put to music and so and it's hard to believe
that something like that could be put to music, but
David was definitely the musician, and he was the poet,
and somehow he made a really good song.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Out of that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But but yeah, so David is very often a person
who just you know, if you think about David's assignment, right, So,
David's assignment in life was to push back on enemies
and conquer and defeat them, those who blasphemed against God,
those who you know, God was sort of done with,
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and and and and and David was never on the offense.
He was never you know, it was never commanded, Hey,
go destroy the city. It was always more about enemies
attacking him, and then what he would do is God
would give him the victory and then the Kingdom of
Israel would expand and continue to expand as God.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So David constantly had enemies surrounding him, plotting against him,
and so a lot of times when you read through
the Psalms, you're like, holy cow, how many enemies did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This guy have?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, And that's the thing I love about psalm when
you read through them. Read through the Psalms, it's interesting
how it looks like David has an emotional rollercoaster ride, yes,
which is so relevant and relatable today. Like you read
through it and it's like one chapter, you know, or
verse God is great and wonderful, the next chapter, Oh,
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let the birds pick at my dead's skin, And it's
like how the verse? But I love that because it's
real and that's how we feel sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And so the verse that we're camping on on God's promises,
because again the theme is God's wisdom and guidance, right,
So it's really verses eight and nine. It's verse nine
is what the highlighted verses.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But I'm want to read eight.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Also again it says the Lord is good and does
what it's right. He shows the proper path to those
who goes ray, and then verse nine says he leads
the humble and doing right, teaching them his way. So
the first thing that stands out to me is that
it is that it begins with humility. Right, God's guidance
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begins with humility, And humility isn't necessarily it's not making
yourself feel less. It's actually emptying yourself. It's emptying your will.
It's emptying your resolve and your decisions. It's it's really surrendering, really,
isn't it. And that's what humility is. It's it's it's
the absence of yourself. And so sometimes humility can look like,
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excuse me, putting others before yourself, and that that is
definitely true, you know, like if I'm with you, you know,
and I'm humble, I allow you to, you know, get
the spotlight more than me. That that's humility. But when
it comes to humility with the Lord, uh, what it
really is is it's the absence of your will versus
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his will. It's the emptying of yourself. And so I
think that's important because it says he leads the humble
and doing right, teaching them his way. And I think
the prerequisite is to say, God, not my ways, but
show me yours.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, don't you think?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah? No, that's awesome. When I first looked at verse eight,
I got hung up on just the first part of
that verse where it says the Lord is good. And
I love that part, just to know that the Lord
is good. Maybe there's someone watching right now and you're
going through a very tough time in your life and
you're thinking, where is God right now? God? Do you
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see my pain the hurt when I'm going through the
chaos in my life? And I just want that person
to know that the Lord is good. The Bible doesn't
say we would always understand, and there are many things
that happened in my life that I didn't understand, and
maybe only when I get to Heaven will I fully understand.
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But the confidence we have is that the Lord is
good no matter what you're going through in your life.
So I love that part right there. And then the
Lord is good and does what is right, and that's
something to think about I can think of. And I
shared this story before of how my prayer to God
was I wanted to do full time ministry and I
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was in the corporate world. So my prayer God, I
want to do full time ministry. So you know what happened, Chris.
My job downsized and they let me go, and I'm like, okay, Lord,
My prayer was I want to do full time ministry,
not lose my job. That was not part of this
prayer equation, but in me losing my job, and I
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don't have time to go through the whole story. A
series of events led to me getting here at Heritage Church.
But had I not lost my job, I may have
very well never come to Heritage Church. So the Lord
is good and does what is right, but what is
right isn't always. The Bible says that my ways are
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not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts. So
God will always do what is right, but it may
not make sense in the time. And I think that's
important for us to remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And it also says he leads the humble in doing right,
not he leads the humble in doing.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
What's easy or doing what you want to do right.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, Yeah, And that's important because I think a lot
of times you know, some you know, we think that
God should.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Make our pads easier.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's like, hey, when I sign up to follow God,
he should, you know, take away my pain.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Or or everything is just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Or yeah, at least make things clearer or you know,
or take away that the opposition in my life or
the enemies.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Just like David was praying.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And it's just important to know that it doesn't say
that he'll guide us in doing what is easy. He'll
guide us in doing what is right. And so you
may be going through a tough time and thinking, God,
just take the pain away. Yeah, but we'll never know
the side of eternity, you know, the purpose of pain.
Sometimes the purpose of pain is from God, I think.
And then sometimes pain just comes about because.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We live in a broken world.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, right, like life is hard. Yeah, and in the
Bible says that we're in Romans eight, we're under the
bondage and decay of sin, and we're under the curse
of the law. And so sometimes you know, it just
doesn't translate into what is easy, but it's always in
He'll lead us into doing right, doing what is right.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you just shared that, I thought about the verse
that talks about how it rains on the just and
the unjust. Yeah, sometimes stuff just happens, right, you know
how sometimes I feel like as Christians we try to
make everything deep or spiritual, like everything that happens there's
some deep spirit Sometimes stuff just happens. You know, you're
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driving down the street and you hit a pothole. That
wasn't the devil trying to take out your car, right,
just was a pothole. Right, So I think we have
to remember that that just because we follow God doesn't mean,
like you said, everything's just going to be wonderful and beautiful,
but it rains on the just and the unjust. Sometimes
things just happen in life and there's no deep spiritual
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significance behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's exactly correct, yea. And sometimes we could over spiritualize things. Yeah.
Have you ever met somebody that way?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When you just saying that, I think of my wife's
sister's friend. Yeah, everything is spiritual, yes, Like literally the
waitress could drop a spoon at the restaurant. There's some
deep spiritual things. It's like she just dropped the spoon.
That's it, right, right, there's nothing deep about this.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, there are people who over spiritualize so many things,
and it's like, it's like, come on, man, not everything
is that way.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I remember one time we were having trouble with the
sound system in my small church, and I remember the
administry of assistant came up and she says, I pray
that the demons will come out of the sound system.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure it isn't the demons. I'm
pretty sure it's this knob. It's like and I tweaked
the knob and then everything got better, and I'm like,
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I'm like, I'm like, I don't know why you went
spiritual there, but it's just a knowledge of the sound
system and that button was the problem right there. You know,
here's another thing. There's a lot of sermons in just
this one verse, right, So it says he leads the
humble in doing right, teaching them his way. It just
it dawns on me that it's a reminder that God's
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guidance is personal because it says it teaches them his ways.
So it doesn't say it doesn't say he teaches a way, right,
he teaches you know, the formula of the way.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It says he teaches them those who are humble, he
teaches them, which means that that you know, sometimes in life,
you know God's advice, in God's direction, and in God's promises,
they're they're totally personal, and so it's a promise that
God knows us. He teaches them, meaning he'll meet you
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right where you're at. He'll meet you in your circumstance.
He'll meet you, you know what, what emotions that you're
going through. You may feel like maybe another person might
handle it differently, but God will meet you in your anxiety,
He'll meet you in your concerns. He'll meet you, you know,
and whatever circumstance you find yourself in, just know that
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God's going to be personal to you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Along with that, Chris, there's probably someone here listening or
watching in their thinking, I'm too far away from God.
I'm too lost, I'm too far gone. I've made too
many mistakes. And I love how in verse eight, the
second half it says he shows the proper path to
those who go astray. So even are those that have
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gone astray, God is still thinking about those people. And
I absolutely love that. It's not just I'll show the
proper path to those who are mine. He's saying, I'll
show the proper path to even those who have gone astray,
those who have veered off and gone into the wrong lane,
I will still show them my love and my compassion.
So I think that's there's some hope in that verse
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to know that God isn't done with you just because
you missed the marked or made an error. He will
still bring you back and can still show you the
proper path to take.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then also I was thinking about this too. God's
path isn't just to get from point A to point B.
Just let let's let's all remember that when God guides
us down a path, it's also a.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Transformation along the way.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So God wants us to get where he wants us
to go and do the right thing and make the
right choice and you know, get us to the outcome
that he wants. But at the same time, he wants
us to.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Be on the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yes, right, So think about in the scripture all the
different you know examples like for instance, you remember when Moses,
you know, he he puts his staff down in the
water parts and it says when they got to the
other side, and then they realized that God was God right,
or you know, or like you know, like Jesus crossing
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the Sea of Galilee and then the storm.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Comes up and everybody's, oh no, we're going to die.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then it says that he calms the waves and
the winds, and then then there's a verse that says
and when they got to the other side, then they marveled,
what kind of man is this?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So God has a path for us, and he has
a destination, and he's going to show himself along the way,
and then he wants us to be transformed on the
other side, so that when we get there we say, Okay,
I've seen God guide me. I've seen God be faithful,
I've seen God come through. I've seen God do a
miraculous work. And so now my faith is going to
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be stronger, so that the next time God calls me
down another path, I'll have more confidence. I'll have you know,
it'll be easier to step right, It'll be easier to
trust because I've seen God work.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's also for transformation.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, well that looks about our time. So hopefully we
will see you tomorrow on the Bible, guys,
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everybody, it's Monday morning and we are The Bible Guys. Yes,
we have platinum edition with Wesley Woods today.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Back again, You're.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Back again, bud yep. Jeff is not available.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we are in the green room of Heritage Church
flows who are watching a video and we're sort of
hopping around until we find our permanent home, which is coming.
But as of right now, we are. If you're listening
and you don't watch video, then you don't care about
any Yeah, they're like, what.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Are you talking?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, that's right. Well, hey listen.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're in the middle of a series. It's called The
Promises of God, and it's all in different contexts, and
this week's theme is God's guidance and wisdom. So before
we dive into that, we have a hot takes showdown.
And so every once in a while, this is what
desireeble to do. She'll say, uh, well, she'll want us
to argue really and defend our position. But if we
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think if we agree, it's it's probably less compelling, right, Okay,
But as we enter Thanksgiving week, she says, let's do
a hot take showdown focusing on Thanksgiving dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Pick a side, no middle ground, Okay, okay, so here's
the hot take.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You ready, I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Stuffing is overrated.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I agree, really, I agree. So I didn't really grow
up eating stuffing, really, so I didn't. So for like
a Thanksgiving meal, we would have dressing, which is a
little different than stuffing. Is kind of in the same family,
but a.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Little different dressings like gooier right.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, it's more firm. It's a little more firm where
I kind of feel like stuffing is more crumbly, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Huh. This is all sorts of stuffing.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And yeah, and I could guess it depends on who
made it and where, Like I would imagine stuffing in
the South is very different from stuffing in like New
Hampshire or something.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The funny thing is I grew up with my mom
making stovetop even you know, even at Thanksgiving, and you know,
it's really hard to beat stove top. Yeah, and so
I thought, man, stuffing is the best, the best. I
love stuffing. And then I did go down south. I
lived in Atlanta for ten years. Yeah, and I actually
had stuffing that was homemade, but to be honest, like
(02:33):
it was just as good in a lot of ways.
And then I've tried stuffing that's like not good at all. Yeah,
I've had homemade stuffing that's like, this is stuffing. This
is like gooey, bland kind of stuff. So I don't know, man,
I'm gonna say stuffing is not overrated.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But I like stovetop the best.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I like stove It's good. Yeah,
but not for Thanksgiven though.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Do you remember the.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Old commercials they said we're having turkey and stuffing, and
then and then and then the mom says it's stovetop
and then the kid goes stovetop.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I'm staying Yeah, that's that was the line.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So all right here, here's here's the next hot take. Okay,
turkey isn't the star of the meal.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh that's a tough one right there.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So I think people associate Thanksgiving with turkey. I mean,
I think that's a given here in America, but I
would I don't know. I gotta give it up for
the side dishes. Yeah, yeah, you know, like all the
other sides that go along with it. So that's a
tough one. So I definitely think you got probably gotta
have turkey.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But well, turkey is definitely everything centered around turkey.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But I think what she's meaning here is like, what
do what does everybody get most excited about?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know, they're like, oh, the green.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Bean cast role, or the sweet potato cast role, or
or you know, the mashed potatoes that are homemade. Like,
what do people get most excited about? I would probably
say istar, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I think so, but that this is tricky, so I
would I would throw a curveball in this and say
the macaroni.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So but here's the thing with macaroni, and this is
a hot button topic right here, is do you make
macaroni on the stove or do you bake it like
on top of the stove or baked. I'm a baked guy.
It's got to be baked in the oven Southern style.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah. Well, Gordon Ramsay might say both.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I know. So Debbie, who's at Heritage Church
where we are at, she likes the very gooey yeah
kind of, And I'm like that's a hard no.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow, wow, Well I'm gonna say that turkey is the
star of the meale. And and it's because I like
my cranberry sauce. Yeah, and uh and so I like
the gravy, the cranberry sauce and on the perfect bite
for me is turkey with everything complimentive.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
With you're one of those people you take the fork
and you got to get a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, so I'll take I'll take like a bite of
turkey with mashed potatoes and corn and gravy, or turkey
and cranberry and all the above. So yeah, I say
turkey is the start.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You can't go wrong with Thanksgiving meals.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's really good, you can't. Yeah. So hey, what about that?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Was?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That was a pretty cool discussion. And I wonder if
are you having family over? I wonder if I was
about to say, I wonder if most people are having
like family over for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So we're hosting it this year? Oh wow, Yeah, but
we're hosting it smart. We're getting all the food catered. Wow.
So this we've never done that before.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That is mind blowing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I mean it's probably gonna be wonderful.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And who are you gonna get catered?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's a small like it's not family owned, but a
smaller restaurant in Farmington. Okay, they're going to do all
the food for us, So.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, good for you. So one and done, baby.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, typically happens is you spend the day before you're
cooking all day, You're king all day. We're like, we're
not doing that this year. We're just so.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I've got a good friend who always goes and watches
the Lions. Oh yeah, you know downtown Detroit. So they
their tradition is they.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Don't have Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Now, now they're a younger couple.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They don't really have like a lot of family and
so they don't have any kids, so it's just them.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah right, but guess what they do for Thanksgiving? Every
Thanksgiving meal?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Bob Evans apparently serves a really great Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Now I do know you can do the catering thing
from them, like for things.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, so on Thanksgiving they go to Bob Evans.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Wow, that is something that's their tradition. Yeah, if it works,
and then Lions.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And then Lions, Yeah, watch the Lions loose.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Now, this is super year. That's right, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
This is the year it's gonna happen a believer, Yes
I am, And then next year I'll be saying the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, hey, that's great. So hey, we're gonna go ahead
and read today. Oh I should say, you know what, Wesley,
that segment was a tasty treat.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yes, and you know what, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
What else is a tasty treat? Psalm Chapter twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
There are there are bits of there are bits of
nourishing treats that are sprinkled all the way through the chapter.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I feel like after that when we need it, like a.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But we're gonna be reading the whole chapter, but focusing
on verse number nine.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, are you are the reader?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I will read?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So this is Psalm five, reading out of the New
Living Translation. It says, Oh Lord, I give my life
to you. I trust in you, my God. Do not
let me be disgraced or let my enemies rejoice in
my feet. No one who trusts in you will ever
be disgraced. But disgrace comes to those who try to
(08:06):
deceive others. Show me the right path, O, Lord, point
out the road for me to follow. Lead me by
your truth and teach me. For you are the God
who saves me. All day long. I put my hope
in you. Remember, o Lord, your compassion and unfailing love
which you have shown from long ages past. Do not
(08:28):
remember the rebellious sins of my youth. Remember me in
the light of your unfailing love, for you are merciful,
O Lord. The Lord is good and does what is right.
He shows the proper path to those who go astray.
He leads the humble in doing right, teaching them his way.
The Lord leads with unfailing love and faithfulness all who
(08:52):
keep his covenant and obey his demands. For the honor
of your name, O Lord, forgive my many many sins.
Who are those who fear the Lord. He will show
them the path they should choose. They will live in prosperity,
and their children will inherit the land. The Lord is
a friend to those who fear him. He teaches them
(09:13):
his covenant. My eyes are always on the Lord, for
he rescues me from the traps of my enemies. Turn
to me and have mercy, for I am alone and
in deep distress. My problems go from bad to worse. Oh,
save me from them. All feel my pain and see
my trouble. Forgive all my sins. See how my enemies
(09:35):
I have, See how many enemies I have, and how
viciously they hate me. Protect me, rescue my life from them.
Do not let me be disgraced. For in you I
take refuge. May integrity and honesty protect me, for I
put my hope in you. Oh God, ransom Israel from
all its troubles.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well there you go. Yeah, so this is a psalm
of David.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And just keep in mind that the psalms all were
put to music and so and it's hard to believe
that something like that could be put to music, but
David was definitely the musician, and he was the poet,
and somehow he made a really good song.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Out of that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But but yeah, so David is very often a person
who just you know, if you think about David's assignment, right, So,
David's assignment in life was to push back on enemies
and conquer and defeat them, those who blasphemed against God,
those who you know, God was sort of done with,
(10:40):
and and and and and David was never on the offense.
He was never you know, it was never commanded, Hey,
go destroy the city. It was always more about enemies
attacking him, and then what he would do is God
would give him the victory and then the Kingdom of
Israel would expand and continue to expand as God.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So David constantly had enemies surrounding him, plotting against him,
and so a lot of times when you read through
the Psalms, you're like, holy cow, how many enemies did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
This guy have?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, And that's the thing I love about psalm when
you read through them. Read through the Psalms, it's interesting
how it looks like David has an emotional rollercoaster ride, yes,
which is so relevant and relatable today. Like you read
through it and it's like one chapter, you know, or
verse God is great and wonderful, the next chapter, Oh,
(11:29):
let the birds pick at my dead's skin, And it's
like how the verse? But I love that because it's
real and that's how we feel sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And so the verse that we're camping on on God's promises,
because again the theme is God's wisdom and guidance, right,
So it's really verses eight and nine. It's verse nine
is what the highlighted verses.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But I'm want to read eight.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Also again it says the Lord is good and does
what it's right. He shows the proper path to those
who goes ray, and then verse nine says he leads
the humble and doing right, teaching them his way. So
the first thing that stands out to me is that
it is that it begins with humility. Right, God's guidance
(12:14):
begins with humility, And humility isn't necessarily it's not making
yourself feel less. It's actually emptying yourself. It's emptying your will.
It's emptying your resolve and your decisions. It's it's really surrendering, really,
isn't it. And that's what humility is. It's it's it's
the absence of yourself. And so sometimes humility can look like,
(12:39):
excuse me, putting others before yourself, and that that is
definitely true, you know, like if I'm with you, you know,
and I'm humble, I allow you to, you know, get
the spotlight more than me. That that's humility. But when
it comes to humility with the Lord, uh, what it
really is is it's the absence of your will versus
(13:00):
his will. It's the emptying of yourself. And so I
think that's important because it says he leads the humble
and doing right, teaching them his way. And I think
the prerequisite is to say, God, not my ways, but
show me yours.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, don't you think?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah? No, that's awesome. When I first looked at verse eight,
I got hung up on just the first part of
that verse where it says the Lord is good. And
I love that part, just to know that the Lord
is good. Maybe there's someone watching right now and you're
going through a very tough time in your life and
you're thinking, where is God right now? God? Do you
(13:39):
see my pain the hurt when I'm going through the
chaos in my life? And I just want that person
to know that the Lord is good. The Bible doesn't
say we would always understand, and there are many things
that happened in my life that I didn't understand, and
maybe only when I get to Heaven will I fully understand.
(14:00):
But the confidence we have is that the Lord is
good no matter what you're going through in your life.
So I love that part right there. And then the
Lord is good and does what is right, and that's
something to think about I can think of. And I
shared this story before of how my prayer to God
was I wanted to do full time ministry and I
(14:22):
was in the corporate world. So my prayer God, I
want to do full time ministry. So you know what happened, Chris.
My job downsized and they let me go, and I'm like, okay, Lord,
My prayer was I want to do full time ministry,
not lose my job. That was not part of this
prayer equation, but in me losing my job, and I
(14:44):
don't have time to go through the whole story. A
series of events led to me getting here at Heritage Church.
But had I not lost my job, I may have
very well never come to Heritage Church. So the Lord
is good and does what is right, but what is
right isn't always. The Bible says that my ways are
(15:07):
not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts. So
God will always do what is right, but it may
not make sense in the time. And I think that's
important for us to remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And it also says he leads the humble in doing right,
not he leads the humble in doing.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
What's easy or doing what you want to do right.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, Yeah, And that's important because I think a lot
of times you know, some you know, we think that
God should.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Make our pads easier.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's like, hey, when I sign up to follow God,
he should, you know, take away my pain.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Or or everything is just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Or yeah, at least make things clearer or you know,
or take away that the opposition in my life or
the enemies.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Just like David was praying.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And it's just important to know that it doesn't say
that he'll guide us in doing what is easy. He'll
guide us in doing what is right. And so you
may be going through a tough time and thinking, God,
just take the pain away. Yeah, but we'll never know
the side of eternity, you know, the purpose of pain.
Sometimes the purpose of pain is from God, I think.
And then sometimes pain just comes about because.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We live in a broken world.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, right, like life is hard. Yeah, and in the
Bible says that we're in Romans eight, we're under the
bondage and decay of sin, and we're under the curse
of the law. And so sometimes you know, it just
doesn't translate into what is easy, but it's always in
He'll lead us into doing right, doing what is right.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you just shared that, I thought about the verse
that talks about how it rains on the just and
the unjust. Yeah, sometimes stuff just happens, right, you know
how sometimes I feel like as Christians we try to
make everything deep or spiritual, like everything that happens there's
some deep spirit Sometimes stuff just happens. You know, you're
(16:52):
driving down the street and you hit a pothole. That
wasn't the devil trying to take out your car, right,
just was a pothole. Right, So I think we have
to remember that that just because we follow God doesn't mean,
like you said, everything's just going to be wonderful and beautiful,
but it rains on the just and the unjust. Sometimes
things just happen in life and there's no deep spiritual
(17:13):
significance behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's exactly correct, yea. And sometimes we could over spiritualize things. Yeah.
Have you ever met somebody that way?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When you just saying that, I think of my wife's
sister's friend. Yeah, everything is spiritual, yes, Like literally the
waitress could drop a spoon at the restaurant. There's some
deep spiritual things. It's like she just dropped the spoon.
That's it, right, right, there's nothing deep about this.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, there are people who over spiritualize so many things,
and it's like, it's like, come on, man, not everything
is that way.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I remember one time we were having trouble with the
sound system in my small church, and I remember the
administry of assistant came up and she says, I pray
that the demons will come out of the sound system.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure it isn't the demons. I'm
pretty sure it's this knob. It's like and I tweaked
the knob and then everything got better, and I'm like,
(18:13):
I'm like, I'm like, I don't know why you went
spiritual there, but it's just a knowledge of the sound
system and that button was the problem right there. You know,
here's another thing. There's a lot of sermons in just
this one verse, right, So it says he leads the
humble in doing right, teaching them his way. It just
it dawns on me that it's a reminder that God's
(18:36):
guidance is personal because it says it teaches them his ways.
So it doesn't say it doesn't say he teaches a way, right,
he teaches you know, the formula of the way.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It says he teaches them those who are humble, he
teaches them, which means that that you know, sometimes in life,
you know God's advice, in God's direction, and in God's promises,
they're they're totally personal, and so it's a promise that
God knows us. He teaches them, meaning he'll meet you
(19:10):
right where you're at. He'll meet you in your circumstance.
He'll meet you, you know what, what emotions that you're
going through. You may feel like maybe another person might
handle it differently, but God will meet you in your anxiety,
He'll meet you in your concerns. He'll meet you, you know,
and whatever circumstance you find yourself in, just know that
(19:32):
God's going to be personal to you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Along with that, Chris, there's probably someone here listening or
watching in their thinking, I'm too far away from God.
I'm too lost, I'm too far gone. I've made too
many mistakes. And I love how in verse eight, the
second half it says he shows the proper path to
those who go astray. So even are those that have
(20:01):
gone astray, God is still thinking about those people. And
I absolutely love that. It's not just I'll show the
proper path to those who are mine. He's saying, I'll
show the proper path to even those who have gone astray,
those who have veered off and gone into the wrong lane,
I will still show them my love and my compassion.
So I think that's there's some hope in that verse
(20:23):
to know that God isn't done with you just because
you missed the marked or made an error. He will
still bring you back and can still show you the
proper path to take.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then also I was thinking about this too. God's
path isn't just to get from point A to point B.
Just let let's let's all remember that when God guides
us down a path, it's also a.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Transformation along the way.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So God wants us to get where he wants us
to go and do the right thing and make the
right choice and you know, get us to the outcome
that he wants. But at the same time, he wants
us to.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Be on the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yes, right, So think about in the scripture all the
different you know examples like for instance, you remember when Moses,
you know, he he puts his staff down in the
water parts and it says when they got to the
other side, and then they realized that God was God right,
or you know, or like you know, like Jesus crossing
(21:24):
the Sea of Galilee and then the storm.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Comes up and everybody's, oh no, we're going to die.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then it says that he calms the waves and
the winds, and then then there's a verse that says
and when they got to the other side, then they marveled,
what kind of man is this?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
So God has a path for us, and he has
a destination, and he's going to show himself along the way,
and then he wants us to be transformed on the
other side, so that when we get there we say, Okay,
I've seen God guide me. I've seen God be faithful,
I've seen God come through. I've seen God do a
miraculous work. And so now my faith is going to
(22:02):
be stronger, so that the next time God calls me
down another path, I'll have more confidence. I'll have you know,
it'll be easier to step right, It'll be easier to
trust because I've seen God work.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's also for transformation.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, well that looks about our time. So hopefully we
will see you tomorrow on the Bible, guys,
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