December 9, 2025 • 24 mins
Episode 832:
In this episode, we read through Hebrews 13, we note the author's passionate exhortations to love one another, show hospitality, and remember those in need. The chapter encapsulates the essence of community and faith, emphasizing that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We reflect on how the author skillfully ties together the Old Testament sacrificial system with the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus, encouraging listeners to understand the depth of their faith.
In this episode, we read through Hebrews 13, we note the author's passionate exhortations to love one another, show hospitality, and remember those in need. The chapter encapsulates the essence of community and faith, emphasizing that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We reflect on how the author skillfully ties together the Old Testament sacrificial system with the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus, encouraging listeners to understand the depth of their faith.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Everybody the Bible Guys man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That was pretty enthusiastic.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh yeah, well you know what, Jeff, I'm a bold
of enthusiasm.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're nothing if you're not enthusiastics.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I am. Yeah, and you know what, pure enthusiasm is
gonna get me through this episode. Not Bible knowledge, but
pure enthusiasms.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We've already established that for both of us.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's right. That's right. Hey, well listen we uh before
we dive into the Book of Hebrews.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We are going to do what Desiree calls a hot
takes showdown. Now, this is a very quick segment, and
this is what she says. She says, stand your ground
while debating these topics.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No middle Oh, but I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
She picked she picked two very very bold statements like
it's one thing to say so kind of, but she said, definitively.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, so I hadn't even read these.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, I just read them a second ago.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, and you're right, I don't know if I.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Could definitively stand on my grounds on both of these,
although I do want to build a case for them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, go ahead, all right, you want me to take So
the first one is Taco Bell is the best fast
food restaurant out there.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Ok. Well, it depends on what she means by the
word best. I'm a very literal person, so best means
it has to be number one, superior, which means on
all different levels. So if I were to be literal,
I would.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Who's best, Your best or everybody else's best? No, my
favorite has to be your fath Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So here's the thing. I think Chick fil a is
a much better fast food restaurant. However, I go to
Taco Bell ten times more than I do Chick fil
Ay because I love it that much.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You love Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, but see, I already have this love hate relationship
with Taco Bell, which I know my body is not
going to thank me the next day, right, I feel
sluggish afterwards. I'll get up in the middle of the night,
you know, worship the porcelain God.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you love it. I love it, you love it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But then I then I'm also angry about it because
they'll bring items and then they'll take them away. They'll
just they'll bring them and I'm like, this is the
best I am. They're like just kidding and they'll take
them away. And I don't understand that philosophy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I just I I it feels to me like even
though she said no middle ground, it feels like you
are just conquering the middle ground here.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I am, which which again because she used the word best.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But I think I think the proof is in it.
Don't tell me what you think is best, show me
what's best. And in your life, you're showing me that
Taco Bell is what's best.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's that's my conundrum.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes, yeah, yeah, the Book of James. It's a biblical principle. Yeah,
don't just talk about faith.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Faith, Jeff w I right there, I sit at your feet.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, I'm I'm just trying to enforce the rules. She
said no middle ground, and you just spent the whole
time in the middle ground.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I did, Okay, But I think your.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Lifestyle proves Okay, Taco Bell is your favorite.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, then yes, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go full
all in. Taco Bell is the best one out there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I crave it the most. I have it the most.
It's my greatest weakness of all the fast food restaurants.
And I think when I hit and when they bring
back an item that I love, I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You love it? So what what what item have they
recently brought back that you love?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They brought back the Mexican pizza for the umpteenth time.
They took away the inchurito. They brought it back. Now
they took it away again. Haha, it's gone forever. You're
so funny. The chili cheese burrita, the Gordidas are gone, right,
I mean all these different things.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You're convincing me. There is no middle ground for you.
This is I can't go through the Taco Bell menu.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
What you don't know these things?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well I know them. When you say them, I wouldn't
think of it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I still remember the Bell Beefer when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bell Beefer.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, it was actually a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I remember, I remember let cheese. It was essentially
a Mexican sloppy Joe what it was.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And I'm telling you we love the Bell Beefers, and
they're just like just kidding. No more Bell Beefers, no
more happiness.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, Well I'm going to stand my ground and say
this is a ridiculous statement. It's not true. I think
that the best fast food restaurant in America is Boy.
Now I'm about to waffle on this one. I'm gonna
say Shakeshack.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Whoa you mean shake shack Okay, at first I thought
you were gonna say steak.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And shake shake shack y. Yeah, those are those are
the best fast food. Smash burgers. I like the crinkly fries,
and then I like all their varieties.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And I literally don't know another human that would say
that is the best fast You know.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
The guy who founded Shakeshack was a very high end
He ran one of the top restaurants in the world
when he founded Shakeshak. Really that's a fact. Yeah, wow, Yeah,
it's a legit chef.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And by the way, I've never once heard a single
person say, hey, let's go get some eat real quick.
Let's go to Shakeshak.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, because it costs you three arms and two legs.
Oh it's expensive, but you drop in there and if
you order a single burger, a fry, and a drink,
it's gonna cast you twenty bucks. Yeah, that's why. By
the way, as opposed to a tackle bell. You could
have ordered half the menu twice.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Right, exactly, which, by the way, just because this was
a little bit quicker of a segment, even though we
didn't get to the second question yet. Do you know
where the phrase that will cast your arm and a
leg came from? No, back when they used to do
massive self portraits of important people, right, yeah. Yeah. They
would always paint from the chest up, and you often
(05:52):
sometimes see like full portraits all the way down where
it's like a full body and they would charge you
by an arm down to your waist, full legs and
it's going to cast your armored leg is because the
cost was dependent on how big the suff portrait was.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I knew that as soon as you start talking
about it. I remember reading that before. That's great, man, Yeah, okay, okay,
now's the second one. Pizza is way better cold.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm gonna have to say, no, way, yeah, it is good.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There is no debate on this one.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
No, there's no debate.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, sorry, now, way, she even used way better.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's what I'm saying. What a strong statement. Way better.
It's not just better, Jack, I know it is way better.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm almost embarrassed by the question.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If she would have said way better hot, we'd have
been like absolutely absolutely, Yeah, tell me why it's not
better cold.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Because it's better hot. The melty cheese, a little bit
of grease, pulling in the in the in the the
the pepperonis, yeah yeah, yea. The soft sausage.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh man, you're getting hung good.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah. So that was a quick one for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The garliky flavor stands out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, there's no middle ground on this one either. I
like cold pizza. I just don't know. I don't I
don't think I know anybody. I'm not sure I've asked
this question. Really, Hey, you like a better cold? I
do know that almost everybody I know likes cold pizza. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I like cold pizza. I'll eat it, it's just not better.
I just got a pizza stone from my from my grill.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you build yourself in a wood fire oven?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No, it goes inside of my smoker. Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The wait the stone. Yeah, you're gonna make pizza in
your grill? Oh, in your smoker?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, because my smoker will go up
to six hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And so it's a it's a wood pellette smoker like
six degrees and the stone goes in there. We make
our dough, we put it in there and make the
whole pizza thing. Put it in there. It's like crispy
on the bottom. It tastes like and smells like wood
fired pizza, because that's what it is. It's inside the smoker.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wow, and it's amazing and your your family loves it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, well you just said I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I love it. I like it because it makes a mess.
I destroyed the whole kitchen. So my wife's like, are
we making pizza again? Because that's when I cook. I
get like every pan, every measuring cup. I destroy the
kitchen and then it takes us an hour to clean
it up. But I like it. Anyways, there you go.
So we held our ground on one and then we
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both took the same position on the other. So it
wasn't a debate. You we didn't hold our ground. We're
debating with her. That's it. You're wrong, We're right. You know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know what standing your ground really means. It means
attaching your name and your opinion to to to what
you say.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right, Yes, that's credit.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So it's attaching your name to it. And you know
what doesn't have any name attached to it?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
What the Book of Hebrews. Yeah, you're right, that's true.
We don't know who the author is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's correct. Which, by the way, if you are a
person who wants to get to know more about the Bible,
you know you can you can sort of take some
books of the Bible. You can categorize them, like you know,
there's like we said just yesterday, there's my major prophets,
minor prophets. We talked about Jeremiah. In the New Testament,
there's the Gospels, and then there's the Birth of the Church,
and then there's the Prison epistles. You know, Paul wrote
(09:08):
those when he was in the prison and all those
kind of things. And then there's Hebrews. And Hebrews, I
would say, sort of stands on its own in the
New Testament, right that one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
In Jude I would say, right, well, I would say,
Hebrews balances off Romans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in Romans,
Paul's explaining the Gospel to gentiles, and he's kind of tough,
buttoning up all the loose ends so they understand. In Hebrews,
the author of Hebrews is kind of doing the same thing, except.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
To Jews and committed Jews.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, like Jews that would really know their own theology.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, because Hebrews. It's one of the reasons why a
lot of people, I'm not sure if it's the majority
of people, but I know that there's definitely a lot
of people that would say Paul wrote Hebrews.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, do you think Paul wrote Hebrews.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I honestly, I'm just I'm exactly where you are. There's
parts of the of Hebrews where I read it and
I'm like, that sounds like Paul. And then there's parts
of it I read it and I'm like, that doesn't
sound like Paul.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All in the King James version which we grew up reading, right, Paul,
when he writes, sometimes a whole chapter will be one great, big,
long run on sentence, And in the Book of Hebrews,
sometimes that happens, where it's eight, nine, ten, twelve verses,
all just one great big run on sentence. I'm like, yeah,
this has got to be Paul, right. And then there's
other times I read it and it doesn't sound anything
(10:25):
like how Paul writes. In Romans, for instance, Yeah, but
Paul also is the one who said I've become all
things to all men, so that by all possible means
I might save some. I think he also was very much,
very adaptive to the different thing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He could have written this in pharisee mode, yeah right,
So maybe it was the style of the Pharisees. That's
the way he used to write his dissertations or whatever
it is. And actually, another thing to say about this
is that it would make sense that Paul wrote it
because a pharisee would understand everything that Paul unpacks about
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the temple, Jewish customers, the symbolism.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He's a full on Hebrew theologian. Yes, that's saying, and
Jesus is the messiah we were looking for. Yeah right,
that that's what he's doing. And I don't know that
we know anybody else in that early Christian history. There
have been some people who've questioned if Nicodemus wrote it,
Oh wow, right, I had it. He was a pharisee,
and the first Christian pharisee we know, first christ Father.
(11:25):
So there's there's there's been that question to have something.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I keep reaching for it cobweb or something.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I don't know, so, so there it could be that.
It could be some people think silas because we don't
have silas. Thank you. It's oh, there you go, that's
it tickling me, yeah, thank you. We're like gorillas now,
so uh, some people think maybe silas. Some people have
(11:52):
suggested Barnabas. There's no real evidence of that. Yeah. Priscilla
specifically is interesting because it's not signed. A woman would
not have signed a treatise like this back then, right
even into the early twentieth century, women a lot of
times wouldn't take credit. They'd write under male pseudonyms and
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things for credibility. So that's it. I don't believe that
that's the case here. And then when I get to
this chapter, chapter thirteen, I finally come back and go
because I go back and forth in the first twelve
chapters it's Paul. No, it's not Paul. It's Paul. No,
it's not Paul. But I get the chapter thirteen and
I end it with I think it's Paul.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And it's because he ends this book the same way
he ends every book. He writes, Oh, he's got like
nine things, he needs a cram it. Don't forget this,
don't forget this, don't forget this, for don't forget this. Yeah,
and that's kind of what he's doing. So let's just
read it and you'll pick up on it. Says, keep
on loving each other as brothers and sisters. Don't forget
to show hospitality to strangers. For some who've done this,
I entertained angels without realizing it. We've talked about that
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many times, right, Remember those in prison. So you see,
he just said, keep on loving each other, show hospitality.
Remember people in prison. Angels, Yeah, angels. He just cramming
stuff in now at this point, at the end, it's
like he knows he's done with the book and he
wants to finish stuff. Remember also those being mistreated, as
if you felt their pain in your own bodies. Give
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honor to marriage. Where is this come from? Give honor
to marriage? Or remain faithful to one another in marriage.
God will surely judge people who are immoral and those
who commit adultery. Don't love money. Now he's talking about money.
Don't love money. Be satisfied with what you have, for
God has said I will never fail you, I will
never abandon you. So we can say with confidence the
Lord is my helper, So I will have no fear.
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What can your people do to me? Now he's talking
about leaders. Remember your leaders who taught you the word
of God. Think of all the good that has come
from their lives, and follow the example of their faith.
Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever. So
do not be attracted by strange new ideas. Your strength
comes from God's grace, not from rules about food, which
don't help those who follow them. Where did the food
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thing come from?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't even remember him talking about food in Hebrews,
but he brings it up here, he says. But Paul
talks about it in Philippians, right, he talks about in Galatius.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He doesn't even mention. He just says, your strength comes
from God's grace. No romans from rules about food.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, he talks about food, and romans he talks
about So we have an altar from which the priests
in the Tabernacle have no right to eat under the
old system, the right the high priests brought the blood
of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin,
and the bodies of the animals were burned outside the camp.
So also Jesus suffered and died outside the city gates
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to make holy his people holy by means of his
own blood. So let us go out to him outside
the camp and bear the disgrace hebore. For this world
is not our permanent home. We are looking forward to
a home yet to come. Therefore, let us offer through
Jesus a continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our
allegiance to his name. And don't forget to do good
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and to share with those in need. These are the
sacrifices that police God. Obey your spiritual leaders who do
what they and do what they say. Their work is
to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God.
Give them reason to do this with joy and not
with sorrow that would certainly not be for your benefit.
Pray for us, for our conscience is clear, and we
want to live honorably in everything we do. And especially
pray that I'll be able to come back to you soon.
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That feels like Paul. Now, may the Grace of Peace
or the God of Peace, who brought up from the
dead our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of the Sheep,
and ratified an eternal covenant with his blood. May He
equip you with all you need for doing his will.
May He produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ,
every good thing that is pleasing to him, All glory
to Him forever and ever. Amen. That feels like Paul.
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I urge you, dear brothers and sisters, to pay attention
to what I've written in this brief exhortation. That feels
like Paul. I want you to know that our brother
Timothy has been released from jail.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That really sounds like Paul.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And that's the only time is mentioned that Timothy ever
went to jail. By the way, if he comes here soon,
I will bring him with me to see you. Greet
all your leaders and all the believers there. The believers
from Italy send you their greetings. That sounds like Paul.
Make God's grace be with you all. So it doesn't
it that he's just He talks about marriage, he talks
about money, he talks about leaders, he talks about he
talks about theology, Jesus dying outside the city. He talks
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about everything in this last ten Yeah. Yeah, food, the law, yeah,
be kind to people and yeah yeah, angels yeah angels yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So yeah, you're right. He does that often at the
end of chapters. He just sort of at the end
of the books, it's almost like, hey, uh now mom
and dad are going to be gone. Listen to the
babysitter and make sure that you're really good. Well, it's
like it's like, okay, now, don't forget, don't forget, listen,
you know, make your bed, go to bed on time,
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brush your teeth, right, it's all those things. And so
Paul is like he's sort of saying that. He's saying like, hey,
I'll come I'll come back soon, just like the babysittering, Yeah,
I'm coming back back soon, but don't forget. In the meantime,
do these twelve things right.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And it's like and it's no fighting, right, don't jump
on the bed, you know. So anyways, I think it
feels very much like Paul Paul's writing here, and it's
one of the reasons why I love the chapter so
much is because he genuinely loves the people he's writing to.
This isn't just some kind of theological treatise where he's
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trying to get a grade or get a degree. This
is listen. He starts off talking to dear brothers and sisters.
He's ending talking to dear brothers and sisters. He's saying, listen,
let me use my expertise. So, whether this is Paul
or not, whoever's writing it has a love for the
people he's talking to. He knows them and their culture
very deeply. He knows their belief system very well, and
he's able to connect everything they believe to Jesus. Right,
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let me start at the beginning of the Bible, get
to the end of the Bible. Everything points to Jesus.
I'm just telling you, if you knew Jesus like I
know Jesus, everything would change. And I've talked about that before.
I've had different people that you know, working around the world,
talking to people who were really skeptical of me being
in their village or me being in their town. And
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I had one guy who was a leader of a
pretty significant terrorist organization who didn't like that I was
coming into his village and I admitted to him I'm
a Christian and he didn't like that. And I said,
but you know, I believe Jesus loves Christians and Jews.
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But I said, I also believes he loves Palestinians and
Egyptians and he loves you, and he goes, I think
that too. I said, it's fantastic, and he goes, well,
then why are you here? He said, are you trying
to make us all become Christians? And I felt like
that was a challenge. Yeah, And so I said, my
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goal is not to get you to leave your building
with a minaret and come to my building with a
cross and a steeple, and he raises eyebrows. I said,
my goal is I just wish you could know Jesus
like I know Jesus, because Jesus changed everything for me,
and he totally like it diffused everything because he's thinking,
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this is a battle of religions, right, and it said,
I'm just like, I just wish you knew Jesus like
I know Jesus. And that's how I feel. Sometimes the
author is battling the Hebrew religion, but most of the
time you find him going, I just wish you knew
what I knew. I wish because Jesus changes everything, and
he does it in such an expert way, until finally
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you get to this point where he's like, Jesus is
the same yesterday and today, and forever. He said, I'm
not trying to get you to worship somebody different. This
is the same God. This is the one who created
the universe. This is the one who set up the
sacrificial system and then made himself the sacrifice. That's all.
He's the same yesterday, today, and he'll be the same forever.
If you just knew this, it changed everything. I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, and I love the comparison. How I mean, think
about all the different symbolisms. He's like, Hey, you know
how God used to live in the temple. Well, guess
what your body's now the temple, he says. You know
how like you had to have a priest be the
mediator between you and then the God who lives in
the temple, Jesus is the high priest. And he's like,
and you know how you had to bring a sacrifice
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to pay for your sins. Jesus is also the sacrifice, right.
And he's going on and on, and he's saying, like,
all the things you grew up with, all the symbolism,
even even to the point where he's saying like, just
like it's outside the city, it's even down to the
very location, right, and all the symbolism about about it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He squeezes that. In the end, he's already had this big,
long theological argument saying it's all about Jesus anyway. Oh,
by the way, and he died outside the city.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Right right, right, it's great. So yeah, I'm gonna tell
you a quick thing. I'm not sure I've ever told
you this before, but Hebrews four sixteen, you know, and
I'm you know, just jumping around just for the sake
of this conversation. But it said, this is when he's
talking about Jesus Christ is our high priest, yes, right,
And so verse fourteen says, so, then, since we have
a great high priest who has entered heaven, Jesus the
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Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe.
This high priest of ours understands our weaknesses, and he
has faced all the same test things we do, yet
he did not sin. And then here's the verse I
chose for my ministry. It says, so let us come
boldly to the throne of our gracious God, and there
we receive his mercy, and we'll find grace to help
us when we need it the most. Right. So it's
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the idea that nobody could enter the Holy of Holies. Right,
But then obviously the veil rips in two. There's another symbolism, right,
there's another piece of you know, symbolism where when the
veil rips in two, the spirit of God, which had
an address, now rushes out, and now God exists in
the heart of every believer. So God ceases to be
in one location, and now God is everywhere because of
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the veil, right, And so so every time you bow
your head, you are entering into God's throne room. Right,
So it's you know, long you have to go to
a location. You bow your head before our heavenly Father,
and you're before his before his face. You become bold
to the throne of our gracious God. And so that's
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the invitation. So here's what I looked up. I looked
up this big diagram. Now, I started a college ministry
and it was on the third floor of the educational building,
and so I called the ministry third floor, okay, And
I wanted people to know where it was. But I
based it off of this, and I said, if you
do a study on the temple, the Holy Holies is
on the third level. So there's one set of stairs,
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two sets of stairs, and then on the third level
is the Holy of Holies. So every time you buy
your head, welcome to the third floor. That that was
the idea, right, And it was this all. It was
all this symbolism and everything else, and people are like, dude,
that's the coolest ministry. That's the coolest meaning, you know,
And I would always give that meaning. I would always
read that verse. I would say, it's the third floor
of the temple, welcome to the third floor. And then
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we moved and our college ministry no longer met on
the third floor. And now all of a sudden we
met on the first floor of the student center. And
everybody came to me and they go, so, what are
you gonna call the ministry? And I said, third floor,
because it's the third floor of the it's the presence
of God. And they're like, that doesn't make any sense.
I'm like, then you never got it. And I can
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totally tell who got it and who did right, but
like ninety percent of the people didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And every time I said, well, now we meet on
the first floor, not like every time you pray, you
were on the third floor.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's right, that's right, but nobody got it, and so
and so anyway, I kept the third floor, and I
had to like bend over backwards, explaining to people the
symbolism of, you know, of the New Testainment.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, finally he knows he's talking to people who are
going to struggle with that same thing. So in verse
fifteen he says, therefore, let us offer through Jesus, a
continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our allegiance in
his name, and don't forget to do good and share
with those in need. Those are the sacrifices that please God.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So he's buttoning it all up, explaining, listen, Jesus is
the sacrifice. You don't need a sacrifice anymore. You want
to keep sacrificing for God, worship Him through Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And then bring the sacrifice of doing good for others, right,
and those sacrifices please God now. And yeah, so he's
still pointing the fact that it's all symbolic. So it's great, man,
I love it. Good one well toay.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Just as a reminder, our key verse today was Jesus
is the same yesterday today changes he's unchanging, He's unfailing.
The God of the Old Testament is the God of
the New Testament. It's the same God of our lives,
with the same promises, so that is definitely our time.
So hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on the Baba Gus
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Everybody the Bible Guys man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That was pretty enthusiastic.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh yeah, well you know what, Jeff, I'm a bold
of enthusiasm.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're nothing if you're not enthusiastics.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I am. Yeah, and you know what, pure enthusiasm is
gonna get me through this episode. Not Bible knowledge, but
pure enthusiasms.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We've already established that for both of us.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's right. That's right. Hey, well listen we uh before
we dive into the Book of Hebrews.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We are going to do what Desiree calls a hot
takes showdown. Now, this is a very quick segment, and
this is what she says. She says, stand your ground
while debating these topics.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No middle Oh, but I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
She picked she picked two very very bold statements like
it's one thing to say so kind of, but she said, definitively.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, so I hadn't even read these.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, I just read them a second ago.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, and you're right, I don't know if I.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Could definitively stand on my grounds on both of these,
although I do want to build a case for them.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, go ahead, all right, you want me to take So
the first one is Taco Bell is the best fast
food restaurant out there.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Ok. Well, it depends on what she means by the
word best. I'm a very literal person, so best means
it has to be number one, superior, which means on
all different levels. So if I were to be literal,
I would.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Who's best, Your best or everybody else's best? No, my
favorite has to be your fath Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So here's the thing. I think Chick fil a is
a much better fast food restaurant. However, I go to
Taco Bell ten times more than I do Chick fil
Ay because I love it that much.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You love Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, but see, I already have this love hate relationship
with Taco Bell, which I know my body is not
going to thank me the next day, right, I feel
sluggish afterwards. I'll get up in the middle of the night,
you know, worship the porcelain God.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you love it. I love it, you love it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But then I then I'm also angry about it because
they'll bring items and then they'll take them away. They'll
just they'll bring them and I'm like, this is the
best I am. They're like just kidding and they'll take
them away. And I don't understand that philosophy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I just I I it feels to me like even
though she said no middle ground, it feels like you
are just conquering the middle ground here.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I am, which which again because she used the word best.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But I think I think the proof is in it.
Don't tell me what you think is best, show me
what's best. And in your life, you're showing me that
Taco Bell is what's best.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's that's my conundrum.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes, yeah, yeah, the Book of James. It's a biblical principle. Yeah,
don't just talk about faith.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Faith, Jeff w I right there, I sit at your feet.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, I'm I'm just trying to enforce the rules. She
said no middle ground, and you just spent the whole
time in the middle ground.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I did, Okay, But I think your.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Lifestyle proves Okay, Taco Bell is your favorite.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, then yes, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go full
all in. Taco Bell is the best one out there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I crave it the most. I have it the most.
It's my greatest weakness of all the fast food restaurants.
And I think when I hit and when they bring
back an item that I love, I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You love it? So what what what item have they
recently brought back that you love?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They brought back the Mexican pizza for the umpteenth time.
They took away the inchurito. They brought it back. Now
they took it away again. Haha, it's gone forever. You're
so funny. The chili cheese burrita, the Gordidas are gone, right,
I mean all these different things.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You're convincing me. There is no middle ground for you.
This is I can't go through the Taco Bell menu.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
What you don't know these things?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well I know them. When you say them, I wouldn't
think of it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I still remember the Bell Beefer when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bell Beefer.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, it was actually a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I remember, I remember let cheese. It was essentially
a Mexican sloppy Joe what it was.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And I'm telling you we love the Bell Beefers, and
they're just like just kidding. No more Bell Beefers, no
more happiness.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, Well I'm going to stand my ground and say
this is a ridiculous statement. It's not true. I think
that the best fast food restaurant in America is Boy.
Now I'm about to waffle on this one. I'm gonna
say Shakeshack.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Whoa you mean shake shack Okay, at first I thought
you were gonna say steak.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And shake shake shack y. Yeah, those are those are
the best fast food. Smash burgers. I like the crinkly fries,
and then I like all their varieties.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
And I literally don't know another human that would say
that is the best fast You know.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
The guy who founded Shakeshack was a very high end
He ran one of the top restaurants in the world
when he founded Shakeshak. Really that's a fact. Yeah, wow, Yeah,
it's a legit chef.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And by the way, I've never once heard a single
person say, hey, let's go get some eat real quick.
Let's go to Shakeshak.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, because it costs you three arms and two legs.
Oh it's expensive, but you drop in there and if
you order a single burger, a fry, and a drink,
it's gonna cast you twenty bucks. Yeah, that's why. By
the way, as opposed to a tackle bell. You could
have ordered half the menu twice.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Right, exactly, which, by the way, just because this was
a little bit quicker of a segment, even though we
didn't get to the second question yet. Do you know
where the phrase that will cast your arm and a
leg came from? No, back when they used to do
massive self portraits of important people, right, yeah. Yeah. They
would always paint from the chest up, and you often
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sometimes see like full portraits all the way down where
it's like a full body and they would charge you
by an arm down to your waist, full legs and
it's going to cast your armored leg is because the
cost was dependent on how big the suff portrait was.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I knew that as soon as you start talking
about it. I remember reading that before. That's great, man, Yeah, okay, okay,
now's the second one. Pizza is way better cold.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm gonna have to say, no, way, yeah, it is good.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There is no debate on this one.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
No, there's no debate.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, sorry, now, way, she even used way better.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's what I'm saying. What a strong statement. Way better.
It's not just better, Jack, I know it is way better.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm almost embarrassed by the question.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If she would have said way better hot, we'd have
been like absolutely absolutely, Yeah, tell me why it's not
better cold.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Because it's better hot. The melty cheese, a little bit
of grease, pulling in the in the in the the
the pepperonis, yeah yeah, yea. The soft sausage.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh man, you're getting hung good.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah. So that was a quick one for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The garliky flavor stands out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, there's no middle ground on this one either. I
like cold pizza. I just don't know. I don't I
don't think I know anybody. I'm not sure I've asked
this question. Really, Hey, you like a better cold? I
do know that almost everybody I know likes cold pizza. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I like cold pizza. I'll eat it, it's just not better.
I just got a pizza stone from my from my grill.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you build yourself in a wood fire oven?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No, it goes inside of my smoker. Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The wait the stone. Yeah, you're gonna make pizza in
your grill? Oh, in your smoker?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, because my smoker will go up
to six hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And so it's a it's a wood pellette smoker like
six degrees and the stone goes in there. We make
our dough, we put it in there and make the
whole pizza thing. Put it in there. It's like crispy
on the bottom. It tastes like and smells like wood
fired pizza, because that's what it is. It's inside the smoker.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Wow, and it's amazing and your your family loves it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, well you just said I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I love it. I like it because it makes a mess.
I destroyed the whole kitchen. So my wife's like, are
we making pizza again? Because that's when I cook. I
get like every pan, every measuring cup. I destroy the
kitchen and then it takes us an hour to clean
it up. But I like it. Anyways, there you go.
So we held our ground on one and then we
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both took the same position on the other. So it
wasn't a debate. You we didn't hold our ground. We're
debating with her. That's it. You're wrong, We're right. You know.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know what standing your ground really means. It means
attaching your name and your opinion to to to what
you say.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right, Yes, that's credit.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So it's attaching your name to it. And you know
what doesn't have any name attached to it?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
What the Book of Hebrews. Yeah, you're right, that's true.
We don't know who the author is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
That's correct. Which, by the way, if you are a
person who wants to get to know more about the Bible,
you know you can you can sort of take some
books of the Bible. You can categorize them, like you know,
there's like we said just yesterday, there's my major prophets,
minor prophets. We talked about Jeremiah. In the New Testament,
there's the Gospels, and then there's the Birth of the Church,
and then there's the Prison epistles. You know, Paul wrote
(09:08):
those when he was in the prison and all those
kind of things. And then there's Hebrews. And Hebrews, I
would say, sort of stands on its own in the
New Testament, right that one.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
In Jude I would say, right, well, I would say,
Hebrews balances off Romans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in Romans,
Paul's explaining the Gospel to gentiles, and he's kind of tough,
buttoning up all the loose ends so they understand. In Hebrews,
the author of Hebrews is kind of doing the same thing, except.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
To Jews and committed Jews.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, like Jews that would really know their own theology.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, because Hebrews. It's one of the reasons why a
lot of people, I'm not sure if it's the majority
of people, but I know that there's definitely a lot
of people that would say Paul wrote Hebrews.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, do you think Paul wrote Hebrews.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I honestly, I'm just I'm exactly where you are. There's
parts of the of Hebrews where I read it and
I'm like, that sounds like Paul. And then there's parts
of it I read it and I'm like, that doesn't
sound like Paul.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All in the King James version which we grew up reading, right, Paul,
when he writes, sometimes a whole chapter will be one great, big,
long run on sentence, And in the Book of Hebrews,
sometimes that happens, where it's eight, nine, ten, twelve verses,
all just one great big run on sentence. I'm like, yeah,
this has got to be Paul, right. And then there's
other times I read it and it doesn't sound anything
(10:25):
like how Paul writes. In Romans, for instance, Yeah, but
Paul also is the one who said I've become all
things to all men, so that by all possible means
I might save some. I think he also was very much,
very adaptive to the different thing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He could have written this in pharisee mode, yeah right,
So maybe it was the style of the Pharisees. That's
the way he used to write his dissertations or whatever
it is. And actually, another thing to say about this
is that it would make sense that Paul wrote it
because a pharisee would understand everything that Paul unpacks about
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the temple, Jewish customers, the symbolism.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He's a full on Hebrew theologian. Yes, that's saying, and
Jesus is the messiah we were looking for. Yeah right,
that that's what he's doing. And I don't know that
we know anybody else in that early Christian history. There
have been some people who've questioned if Nicodemus wrote it,
Oh wow, right, I had it. He was a pharisee,
and the first Christian pharisee we know, first christ Father.
(11:25):
So there's there's there's been that question to have something.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I keep reaching for it cobweb or something.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I don't know, so, so there it could be that.
It could be some people think silas because we don't
have silas. Thank you. It's oh, there you go, that's
it tickling me, yeah, thank you. We're like gorillas now,
so uh, some people think maybe silas. Some people have
(11:52):
suggested Barnabas. There's no real evidence of that. Yeah. Priscilla
specifically is interesting because it's not signed. A woman would
not have signed a treatise like this back then, right
even into the early twentieth century, women a lot of
times wouldn't take credit. They'd write under male pseudonyms and
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things for credibility. So that's it. I don't believe that
that's the case here. And then when I get to
this chapter, chapter thirteen, I finally come back and go
because I go back and forth in the first twelve
chapters it's Paul. No, it's not Paul. It's Paul. No,
it's not Paul. But I get the chapter thirteen and
I end it with I think it's Paul.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And it's because he ends this book the same way
he ends every book. He writes, Oh, he's got like
nine things, he needs a cram it. Don't forget this,
don't forget this, don't forget this, for don't forget this. Yeah,
and that's kind of what he's doing. So let's just
read it and you'll pick up on it. Says, keep
on loving each other as brothers and sisters. Don't forget
to show hospitality to strangers. For some who've done this,
I entertained angels without realizing it. We've talked about that
(12:54):
many times, right, Remember those in prison. So you see,
he just said, keep on loving each other, show hospitality.
Remember people in prison. Angels, Yeah, angels. He just cramming
stuff in now at this point, at the end, it's
like he knows he's done with the book and he
wants to finish stuff. Remember also those being mistreated, as
if you felt their pain in your own bodies. Give
(13:15):
honor to marriage. Where is this come from? Give honor
to marriage? Or remain faithful to one another in marriage.
God will surely judge people who are immoral and those
who commit adultery. Don't love money. Now he's talking about money.
Don't love money. Be satisfied with what you have, for
God has said I will never fail you, I will
never abandon you. So we can say with confidence the
Lord is my helper, So I will have no fear.
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What can your people do to me? Now he's talking
about leaders. Remember your leaders who taught you the word
of God. Think of all the good that has come
from their lives, and follow the example of their faith.
Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever. So
do not be attracted by strange new ideas. Your strength
comes from God's grace, not from rules about food, which
don't help those who follow them. Where did the food
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thing come from?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't even remember him talking about food in Hebrews,
but he brings it up here, he says. But Paul
talks about it in Philippians, right, he talks about in Galatius.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He doesn't even mention. He just says, your strength comes
from God's grace. No romans from rules about food.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, he talks about food, and romans he talks
about So we have an altar from which the priests
in the Tabernacle have no right to eat under the
old system, the right the high priests brought the blood
of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin,
and the bodies of the animals were burned outside the camp.
So also Jesus suffered and died outside the city gates
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to make holy his people holy by means of his
own blood. So let us go out to him outside
the camp and bear the disgrace hebore. For this world
is not our permanent home. We are looking forward to
a home yet to come. Therefore, let us offer through
Jesus a continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our
allegiance to his name. And don't forget to do good
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and to share with those in need. These are the
sacrifices that police God. Obey your spiritual leaders who do
what they and do what they say. Their work is
to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God.
Give them reason to do this with joy and not
with sorrow that would certainly not be for your benefit.
Pray for us, for our conscience is clear, and we
want to live honorably in everything we do. And especially
pray that I'll be able to come back to you soon.
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That feels like Paul. Now, may the Grace of Peace
or the God of Peace, who brought up from the
dead our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of the Sheep,
and ratified an eternal covenant with his blood. May He
equip you with all you need for doing his will.
May He produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ,
every good thing that is pleasing to him, All glory
to Him forever and ever. Amen. That feels like Paul.
(15:39):
I urge you, dear brothers and sisters, to pay attention
to what I've written in this brief exhortation. That feels
like Paul. I want you to know that our brother
Timothy has been released from jail.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That really sounds like Paul.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And that's the only time is mentioned that Timothy ever
went to jail. By the way, if he comes here soon,
I will bring him with me to see you. Greet
all your leaders and all the believers there. The believers
from Italy send you their greetings. That sounds like Paul.
Make God's grace be with you all. So it doesn't
it that he's just He talks about marriage, he talks
about money, he talks about leaders, he talks about he
talks about theology, Jesus dying outside the city. He talks
(16:12):
about everything in this last ten Yeah. Yeah, food, the law, yeah,
be kind to people and yeah yeah, angels yeah angels yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So yeah, you're right. He does that often at the
end of chapters. He just sort of at the end
of the books, it's almost like, hey, uh now mom
and dad are going to be gone. Listen to the
babysitter and make sure that you're really good. Well, it's
like it's like, okay, now, don't forget, don't forget, listen,
you know, make your bed, go to bed on time,
(16:42):
brush your teeth, right, it's all those things. And so
Paul is like he's sort of saying that. He's saying like, hey,
I'll come I'll come back soon, just like the babysittering, Yeah,
I'm coming back back soon, but don't forget. In the meantime,
do these twelve things right.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And it's like and it's no fighting, right, don't jump
on the bed, you know. So anyways, I think it
feels very much like Paul Paul's writing here, and it's
one of the reasons why I love the chapter so
much is because he genuinely loves the people he's writing to.
This isn't just some kind of theological treatise where he's
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trying to get a grade or get a degree. This
is listen. He starts off talking to dear brothers and sisters.
He's ending talking to dear brothers and sisters. He's saying, listen,
let me use my expertise. So, whether this is Paul
or not, whoever's writing it has a love for the
people he's talking to. He knows them and their culture
very deeply. He knows their belief system very well, and
he's able to connect everything they believe to Jesus. Right,
(17:44):
let me start at the beginning of the Bible, get
to the end of the Bible. Everything points to Jesus.
I'm just telling you, if you knew Jesus like I
know Jesus, everything would change. And I've talked about that before.
I've had different people that you know, working around the world,
talking to people who were really skeptical of me being
in their village or me being in their town. And
(18:04):
I had one guy who was a leader of a
pretty significant terrorist organization who didn't like that I was
coming into his village and I admitted to him I'm
a Christian and he didn't like that. And I said,
but you know, I believe Jesus loves Christians and Jews.
(18:27):
But I said, I also believes he loves Palestinians and
Egyptians and he loves you, and he goes, I think
that too. I said, it's fantastic, and he goes, well,
then why are you here? He said, are you trying
to make us all become Christians? And I felt like
that was a challenge. Yeah, And so I said, my
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goal is not to get you to leave your building
with a minaret and come to my building with a
cross and a steeple, and he raises eyebrows. I said,
my goal is I just wish you could know Jesus
like I know Jesus, because Jesus changed everything for me,
and he totally like it diffused everything because he's thinking,
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this is a battle of religions, right, and it said,
I'm just like, I just wish you knew Jesus like
I know Jesus. And that's how I feel. Sometimes the
author is battling the Hebrew religion, but most of the
time you find him going, I just wish you knew
what I knew. I wish because Jesus changes everything, and
he does it in such an expert way, until finally
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you get to this point where he's like, Jesus is
the same yesterday and today, and forever. He said, I'm
not trying to get you to worship somebody different. This
is the same God. This is the one who created
the universe. This is the one who set up the
sacrificial system and then made himself the sacrifice. That's all.
He's the same yesterday, today, and he'll be the same forever.
If you just knew this, it changed everything. I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, and I love the comparison. How I mean, think
about all the different symbolisms. He's like, Hey, you know
how God used to live in the temple. Well, guess
what your body's now the temple, he says. You know
how like you had to have a priest be the
mediator between you and then the God who lives in
the temple, Jesus is the high priest. And he's like,
and you know how you had to bring a sacrifice
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to pay for your sins. Jesus is also the sacrifice, right.
And he's going on and on, and he's saying, like,
all the things you grew up with, all the symbolism,
even even to the point where he's saying like, just
like it's outside the city, it's even down to the
very location, right, and all the symbolism about about it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He squeezes that. In the end, he's already had this big,
long theological argument saying it's all about Jesus anyway. Oh,
by the way, and he died outside the city.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Right right, right, it's great. So yeah, I'm gonna tell
you a quick thing. I'm not sure I've ever told
you this before, but Hebrews four sixteen, you know, and
I'm you know, just jumping around just for the sake
of this conversation. But it said, this is when he's
talking about Jesus Christ is our high priest, yes, right,
And so verse fourteen says, so, then, since we have
a great high priest who has entered heaven, Jesus the
(20:59):
Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe.
This high priest of ours understands our weaknesses, and he
has faced all the same test things we do, yet
he did not sin. And then here's the verse I
chose for my ministry. It says, so let us come
boldly to the throne of our gracious God, and there
we receive his mercy, and we'll find grace to help
us when we need it the most. Right. So it's
(21:20):
the idea that nobody could enter the Holy of Holies. Right,
But then obviously the veil rips in two. There's another symbolism, right,
there's another piece of you know, symbolism where when the
veil rips in two, the spirit of God, which had
an address, now rushes out, and now God exists in
the heart of every believer. So God ceases to be
in one location, and now God is everywhere because of
(21:42):
the veil, right, And so so every time you bow
your head, you are entering into God's throne room. Right,
So it's you know, long you have to go to
a location. You bow your head before our heavenly Father,
and you're before his before his face. You become bold
to the throne of our gracious God. And so that's
(22:03):
the invitation. So here's what I looked up. I looked
up this big diagram. Now, I started a college ministry
and it was on the third floor of the educational building,
and so I called the ministry third floor, okay, And
I wanted people to know where it was. But I
based it off of this, and I said, if you
do a study on the temple, the Holy Holies is
on the third level. So there's one set of stairs,
(22:23):
two sets of stairs, and then on the third level
is the Holy of Holies. So every time you buy
your head, welcome to the third floor. That that was
the idea, right, And it was this all. It was
all this symbolism and everything else, and people are like, dude,
that's the coolest ministry. That's the coolest meaning, you know,
And I would always give that meaning. I would always
read that verse. I would say, it's the third floor
of the temple, welcome to the third floor. And then
(22:45):
we moved and our college ministry no longer met on
the third floor. And now all of a sudden we
met on the first floor of the student center. And
everybody came to me and they go, so, what are
you gonna call the ministry? And I said, third floor,
because it's the third floor of the it's the presence
of God. And they're like, that doesn't make any sense.
I'm like, then you never got it. And I can
(23:07):
totally tell who got it and who did right, but
like ninety percent of the people didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And every time I said, well, now we meet on
the first floor, not like every time you pray, you
were on the third floor.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That's right, that's right, but nobody got it, and so
and so anyway, I kept the third floor, and I
had to like bend over backwards, explaining to people the
symbolism of, you know, of the New Testainment.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, finally he knows he's talking to people who are
going to struggle with that same thing. So in verse
fifteen he says, therefore, let us offer through Jesus, a
continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our allegiance in
his name, and don't forget to do good and share
with those in need. Those are the sacrifices that please God.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So he's buttoning it all up, explaining, listen, Jesus is
the sacrifice. You don't need a sacrifice anymore. You want
to keep sacrificing for God, worship Him through Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And then bring the sacrifice of doing good for others, right,
and those sacrifices please God now. And yeah, so he's
still pointing the fact that it's all symbolic. So it's great, man,
I love it. Good one well toay.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Just as a reminder, our key verse today was Jesus
is the same yesterday today changes he's unchanging, He's unfailing.
The God of the Old Testament is the God of
the New Testament. It's the same God of our lives,
with the same promises, so that is definitely our time.
So hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on the Baba Gus
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