September 25, 2025 • 21 mins
Episode 779:
In this episode, Chris and Wesley delve into Acts chapter four, verses 23-31, where Peter and John pray for boldness after facing persecution. They reflect on the significance of this prayer in the context of their own lives and the challenges of standing up for one's faith in a world that often discourages it. Chris emphasizes the importance of making decisions based on what is right rather than what is popular or safe, drawing parallels to the current climate in society.
In this episode, Chris and Wesley delve into Acts chapter four, verses 23-31, where Peter and John pray for boldness after facing persecution. They reflect on the significance of this prayer in the context of their own lives and the challenges of standing up for one's faith in a world that often discourages it. Chris emphasizes the importance of making decisions based on what is right rather than what is popular or safe, drawing parallels to the current climate in society.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in to another episode of
The Bible Guys.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, I'm Chris and I'm Wesley, and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where are your Bibba guys this week? Because Jeff's out
of town and we're in the middle of a series
called Dangerous Prayers.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But before we get do that, we have a segment
called Hot Takes Showdown.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This is a newer segment.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You've ever done this one, you know, I've never done
this one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it says, and so Desiree says, I'll give you
a controversial statement and you must either defend it or
debunk it and get this no middle ground.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, so you got to go after it. Yeah, So
whatever opinion.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You have this is it, go after it with the.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Reckless, abandoned.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, here we go. Ready, here's the first statement. Crocs
are fashionable.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh that's easy. No, yeah, they are not fashionable. They
might be comfortable, yeah, but they are not fashionable. Yes.
I'm a hard no on the cross and my daughter
loves crocs like when we like, go on vacation or whatever,
she'll throw all the Crocs in the suitcase. So yeah,
but I'm a hard no on the fashionable aspect.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah no, what about I'm so sorry, this is low lighting.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Room is killing me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What about crocs with no socks?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Is it people wear crocs with socks all the top? No,
that is a major pop No. No socks with no socks,
with sandals of any kind. I agree, and I'm putting
crocs in the sandals category.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But and so I tell you what I like to
be controversial.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I like to like I would like to go the
other way and say crocs are fashionable they're the worst.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So so yeah, I'm with you on that. That's my
hot take as well. So that is fuel right, you
want to do the second one?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Okay, the moon landing was filmed but not faked. It
was just really boring, so they reshot it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yes, So it's not saying that before. I don't think this.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Desiree choose this because she knows this is a hot topic.
I'm not sure how well Desiree knows on this area.
I'd be very interested to hear a serious take on this.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
For you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I don't so, I'm in the camp. I don't
believe it was faked, Okay, I was Was there something
filmed that wasn't the actual moon landing?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And was that part of the equation or.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Was See that's a different conversation. Said, well, so it
did they walk on the Moon? Did they? I believe
that one hundred percent that that happened. Did This is
a more complex question. And the reason I say that
is you got to remember where the United States was
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at the time, with Russia, the Cold War, the space
race and all of that. The US would have done
whatever was necessary to cast a positive light on the mission.
So could there have been some photo touch ups or
something quite possibly? I don't know, but that's that could
(03:15):
very well be possible. But as it relates to they
actually go to the Moon, I think they actually went
to the moon.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know, it's you know, it's you know, it's interesting.
Is so.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Fifty years ago, even even thirty years ago, before the Internet,
there was really no debate at all about whether there
was any conspiracy for moon lighting.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean we haven't heard this until probably the
last what ten years, Yeah, probably the last five years.
Really a lot depending on you know, your your chat
threat of your algorithm. Some of you you're like, this
is a thing, right, but you have no algorithm, you
know whatever. That's fine, But once you sort of dive
down the.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Hole, go down the rabbit trail, on the rabbit trail,
then all of.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
A sudden that the algorithm on your social media brings
everything up. And because I went down the rabbit hole,
I've seen everything there is to see. Just about I
have seen every single conspiracy theory reel, and I've seen
i would say almost as much, not quite as much,
but almost as much defensive reels, right like this is
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this is absolute proof that we've gone to the moon.
You know, just you know science, you know all the
science behind everything, right, And so here's what I find
very interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I find very interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I'll just say I'll just say this that. So let's
pretend you're NASA, okay, and all of a sudden, and
by the way, NASA claims currently this is all fact.
You can google all this NASA currently claims. Number one,
They're like, hey, let's where's the technology to go back
to the moon. They literally say this is the this
is their official statement. It get lost somehow, and they say, well,
(04:54):
do we have the technology go back to the moon
and they go no, and they say where why? They say, well,
we lost that, we don't know. And they say, okay,
well let's let's review original tapes. And they say they
were misplaced, didn't know where they are, so nothing exists. Okay, okay,
now that's just a fact. Now now your opinion about that,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They also say, uh, you know, back in the sixties, uh,
with with with less technology that was in this phone,
we were able to get past the you know, the
h that radiation barrier, you know, the humans and get
to the moon somehow with technology in a little chef
you know, shuttle that looked like it was a tin can.
And now here we are, you know, almost one hundred
(05:35):
years later. It seems like, what is it eighty years later?
And uh, and we can't even come close to doing that,
So we've not send anybody back, right and all the
technologies lost now right then and there you can have
your opinions and then if you want to analyze all
the footage and everything else. And so I'm just so
I see very compelling things. For I see very compelling
(05:56):
things against So, if you're NASA and you have the
entire your world beating down on your door saying, I
can't believe that you lied to us, Just prove that
you went. And then of course you have buzz Aldron
who's publicly said that it was a hoax. He's online
saying we didn't go. He said that three times, he
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said that publicly, and people are like, oh, he's crazy,
that old man, right, and and so so you have
all these things. So if you're NASA and you have
all this controversy, right, why would you allow the film
that was just made by h Channing Tatum and Scarlett
Johansson called Fly Me the Moon? Why would you allow
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that to be filmed on NASA property? Do you know
what the film's about? No, Okay, we're only that six minutes,
so I'll make this very quickly. Basically it's about what
they're saying is it's not based on a true story, right.
But basically what they're saying is they made they made
a movie that says, no, the filming was real, but
(07:00):
because because that the moon landing was real, it was
it was absolutely what happened, but because they were worried
that it might not have been able to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They hired the.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Scarlett Johansson person to hire a director, and they created
a movie set. And so all those controversial tapes where
it says he's on wires, yeah, look, you can tell
there's a wire, this movie said, no, there was a set.
And so they filmed it, and they went live to
the nation on set, right, and then all of a
sudden when they landed, they're like, switch over, switch over,
(07:36):
and then they switched over and so and so what
they did was that movie somehow just planted like a
solution to the controversy that says, oh, I guess both
were true, right, I guess there was a set. For
all the you know, the all the all the film
analysis people that are like, here's the ten things that
(07:57):
prove this is fake. The film this film said, oh,
both things happened at once, and NASA agreed to have
that film be filmed on NASA property. Now, if that,
if there was no set, why would you.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Ever entertain the idea of the idea and planet.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
In the American public that there was a set and
by the way of all the things, and and it
sounds crazy because I'm a Holloway guy. Of all the
things that I'm confused about, that's the biggest one. NASA
said yes to that film, And it's like, why would
you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
If I'm if I'm if I'm standing on the truth,
I'm I'm going I'm doubling down and I'm saying, there
is no guys, there is no way this is fake,
right and and and come on there was nothing was
faked in front of the public eye. Instead, they're like, yeah,
come film.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think you're a private investigator in your part time.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, well, which okay, listen, we have we have
we have fifteen seconds for your response. Yeah, what is
your hot take on my little NASA thing?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I think the idea of having a backup is
plausible in terms of American morale during that period when
we were up against the Russians. So they had already
got spot Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But they didn't admit that that film is real.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So no, I but I believe that it's plausible that
someone thought, hey, we probably need to have a backup
in case things go wrong. That that's plausible sure, in
understanding how things were in that period.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I think that's the reason why the movie was
made because of what you just said. But that's not
my question. Yeah, my question is, and that'sad denies it.
They said they said there was no set so why
would they allow that film to be filmed?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah? I think if in some classified archive. Okay, think
someone knows the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All right, all right, Well that it's definitely a hot
take topic.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah, did good on that one.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All right, Well, let's good move on, because even though
that is super controversial, you know what else is controversial?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Acts Chapter four.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, no, no, no, it is.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, they pray for boldness even though they're being crucy cuted. Yeah,
that's a dangerous prayer. Then that's controversial.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That is true. It's a stretch, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, well it's that transition.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, So here we go, Acts Chapter four, versus twenty
three through thirty one, and it says as soon as
they were freed, Peter and John returned to the other
believers and told them what the leading priests and elders
had said. When they heard the report, all the believers
lifted their voices together in prayers to God, Oh Sovereign Lord,
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Creator of Heaven and Earth, the sea, and everything in them.
You spoke long ago by the Holy Spirit, through our
ancestor David, your servants, saying, why are the nations so angry?
Why did they waste their time with futile plans? The
kings of the earth prepared for battle. The rulers gathered
together against the Lord and against his Messiah Verse twenty seven.
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In fact, this has happened here in this very city
for herod Antipus, pontious Pilot, the governor, the Gentiles, and
the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your
holy servant, whom you anointed. But everything they did was
determined beforehand, according to your will. And now, O Lord,
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hear their threats and give us your servants great boldness
in preaching your word. Stretch out your hand with healing power.
May your miraculous signs and wonders be done through the
name of your holy Servant Jesus. After this prayer, the
meeting place shook, and they were all filled with the
Holy Spirit. Then they preached the Word of God with boldness.
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Yeah that was good.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, it's really good. And the context is in chapter
four earlier. It says Peter and John went before the council.
So they went to the council of all the rulers
and elders and teachers of the religious law, and they
met in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So they were.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Being tried, they were being accused, and so they didn't
back down. And so I want to read this note
here in the Transformation Study Bible. It says, covering verses
nineteen through twenty two, it says the failure of the
council was evident when Peter refused to be intimidated by
their threats. All we need to do is follow Peter's
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example to make our decisions on the basis of is
it right and not is it popular or is it safe.
We must be sure, however, that we have clear teaching
of the Word of God on our side before we
take a stand against the authority of the government. Peter
knew what the Lord had commanded believers to do and
ast chapter one, verse eight, for he was going to
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obey him at any cost.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And so I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The idea that like Peter and John were accused, they
stood up and then they said this prayer after they
were freed, which is why it started by you saying
as soon as they were freed, right, Peter and John returned.
You know, it's interesting in our nation. Last weekend we
made a statement about all the horrible things that were
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going on in our nation. And to be honest with you,
it's always a difficult thing whenever, whenever something happens that
shakes our nation to the core of its you know,
faith and everything else. It's like people are feeling a
lot of different things and you want to address it.
But at the same time, if you're a leader, and
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by the way, that doesn't just mean church leader. It
means if you're like a person on the news or
Jimmy Kimmel, right, I mean he's in the news today
because of it. Right, we all have to make choices
about what we're going to say in the stand that
we're going to take. And to be honest with you,
it wasn't so we made a statement at our church,
but it wasn't political. It wasn't about right or left.
(14:08):
It wasn't about what happened to our nation according to
all these arguments of agreeing or disagreeing, it wasn't about that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And that's one thing that I like about heritage is
the fact that we don't take a political stance. If
anyone wants to know what stance we take, it's that
we believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. Yeah, that's the
stance that we take.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And if it is a political topic, we will preach
from the Bible.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And one of the things that I was always so
impressed with is Jeff Forrest, Our lead pastor, says, he goes, Hey,
he goes, instead of getting up there and using politically
charged words, he said, those are man made words. So
why would I use politically charged words that everybody has
their own interpretation on what they're going to attach to
those words.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He says.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Instead, here's what I do. He goes, I preach on
the same topic, only I used Bible words. And he goes,
So if you ever wonder what we believe, he goes,
He goes, you can't yell at me because I didn't
write it.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I didn't write the Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
He goes, I'm just going to preach the Bible, use
Bible words, and it could be the same exact topic,
and I'll preach the Bible, he goes. He goes, so
there's no question on what we believe. So if somebody says, oh,
pick a candidate it's like, well, you can probably guess
which candidate we're going to vote for based on what
we have preached and what we believe, right, because we're
just going to preach the Bible and we're going to
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let you put two and two together, because after all,
that's what every believer is called to do anyway. And
I didn't mean to get on a topic rant. In fact,
that wasn't even my focus or a political rant. I
wasn't even I wasn't even trying to do that. What
I was trying to say is this, we made a
statement that wasn't you know, right or left or anything
like that. We made a statement and said, it's not
important about you know, whether you agree or disagree. The
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important thing is how do you act, interact, and react
when you disagree? Right, Because that's what Christ called us
to do. So it doesn't matter what the topic is
when you disagree, the initiative is clear. Right, this is
how you should behave as ladies and gentlemen. You can
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still disagree with somebody and worship them with them side
by side. Right, You don't have to have acts of
violence and hatred.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's like Christ calls the church to be the church
no matter what, and that was sort of our statement
in our prayer, right, help us to be a nation
that is willing to do that. Well, the idea of
even making any kind of statement publicly, you have to
go back to sort of this idea, which is like,
am I going to do this? And then you have
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to ask your question, youlf, the question is this the
right thing to do? And is it the wrong thing
to do to be too cowardice not to say anything,
or do you figure out a hard way and do
the hard work to be able to say, no, this
is the right thing to do, and we're going to
put all the work into it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It took us hours to come up with a three
minute response, hours of conversation, but because we felt like
this is the right thing to do, and so we
want to stand on the side of what is right.
And we said what we meant and we didn't say
anything wrong and it wasn't charged in any way. We
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just we just want to we just want to say
what we feel like God wants us to say to
the people who are fearful and going through a lot
of different things. Right, Yeah, and it's not based on
one event. I mean you know, there were things that
happened in our country, they go back a month and
a half ago, that are very, very disturbing, and people
are having a really hard time.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right, but you stand up for what is right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, you do what is right. Yeah, Verse twenty nine.
Just to dig into that, it says, and now, oh Lord,
hear their threats, and give us your servants great boldness
in preaching your word. For some reason, when I read that,
I think of a person at work in the context
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of Jesus not being convenient. Sometimes when you work out
in the world, it's easier not to mention Jesus, not
to mention that you go to work, to go to church,
not to mention that you know, you're in a small group.
It's just easier sometimes in the workplace to kind of
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I think of Homer, you know that meme of Homer
Simpson going back into the bushes. Yes, it's just kind
of good.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, so good, because it's attached to so many different things.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, but that's what it reminds me of when I
read this, that you know, sometimes it's easier to not
say that you're a follower of Jesus, Like when Peter
was confronted, aren't Aren't you one of those you know,
followers of Jesus. No, I never met the man, you know,
that kind of thing. So I think they're saying here
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is in times like that, you need to have boldness.
That's right, you need to speak up. There could be
someone in your workplace that is going through something and
they find out that you're a Christian and they're like, man,
I can go to that person for advice. Yeah, I
can go to that person for some godly counsel. Yeah.
I can go to that person for help. But it's
gonna take a little bit of boldness on your part
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to make that be known.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you know what the funny thing is is people
of most people, most people, they will follow if somebody
first steps up.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah. Right. So I'm not saying that you have.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To be this great and courageous leader of people right
to lead them a great, big movement.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. We're not saying go to work with a big house,
Bible under your arm, and like all of those things.
We're not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, in a social setting, most people have a
tendency to just be quiet, Yeah, until, like, you know,
somebody speaks up and I can't even tell you. I'm
a speak up kind of person. So I can't even
tell you the number of times in my entire life
where I've been in a setting, a public setting, where
there's either a handful or larger group of people in
the room and and something's happening. It's going one way
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and it's a negative way or a wrong way, and
then I'm looking around, going is anybody gonna say anything?
And so then I'll speak up. And as soon as
I speak up, like ten other people are like, yeah,
I feel that way also.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, And it's like, well, why didn't you say anything?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah. But it's like, but I don't have to be
a great leader of this movement. I just have to
voice my opinion and just be bold enough, which is.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What Peter is saying. Peter's saying, let us be bold.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Of course, this is the context of like, let us
be bold in the sense to where we may lose
our lives.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, we may go to prison. There's a great cost
to this. Great even in the workplace, there could be
a great cost. You don't want to be kind of ostracized, right,
you know, you don't want to be the oh you're
one of those Jesus people one of those holy rollers,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So yeah, yeah, there could be a little bit of
a cost, right, yeah, or a big cost. Yeah, but
but yeah, when it comes down to being bold about
your faith, and especially when it comes to standing up
for what is right, if you're a believer and follower
of Christ and and you know what the right thing
to do is, then just know that, Like, hey, it's
it's easier to live your life doing what's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Right and and and and.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Just you know, accepting the consequences than it is to
live your life in the shadows and in the cowardice
of being too afraid to ever do what is right.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, in the safe zone, just living your life in
that as a safe area. Yeah, that's yeah, that's right. No,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, hey, that's a great place to end. And uh,
hopefully we will see you tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in
on the Bible guys.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in to another episode of
The Bible Guys.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, I'm Chris and I'm Wesley, and.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where are your Bibba guys this week? Because Jeff's out
of town and we're in the middle of a series
called Dangerous Prayers.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But before we get do that, we have a segment
called Hot Takes Showdown.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This is a newer segment.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You've ever done this one, you know, I've never done
this one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it says, and so Desiree says, I'll give you
a controversial statement and you must either defend it or
debunk it and get this no middle ground.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, so you got to go after it. Yeah, So
whatever opinion.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You have this is it, go after it with the.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Reckless, abandoned.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, here we go. Ready, here's the first statement. Crocs
are fashionable.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh that's easy. No, yeah, they are not fashionable. They
might be comfortable, yeah, but they are not fashionable. Yes.
I'm a hard no on the cross and my daughter
loves crocs like when we like, go on vacation or whatever,
she'll throw all the Crocs in the suitcase. So yeah,
but I'm a hard no on the fashionable aspect.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah no, what about I'm so sorry, this is low lighting.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Room is killing me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What about crocs with no socks?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Is it people wear crocs with socks all the top? No,
that is a major pop No. No socks with no socks,
with sandals of any kind. I agree, and I'm putting
crocs in the sandals category.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But and so I tell you what I like to
be controversial.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I like to like I would like to go the
other way and say crocs are fashionable they're the worst.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So so yeah, I'm with you on that. That's my
hot take as well. So that is fuel right, you
want to do the second one?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Okay, the moon landing was filmed but not faked. It
was just really boring, so they reshot it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yes, So it's not saying that before. I don't think this.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Desiree choose this because she knows this is a hot topic.
I'm not sure how well Desiree knows on this area.
I'd be very interested to hear a serious take on this.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
For you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I don't so, I'm in the camp. I don't
believe it was faked, Okay, I was Was there something
filmed that wasn't the actual moon landing?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And was that part of the equation or.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Was See that's a different conversation. Said, well, so it
did they walk on the Moon? Did they? I believe
that one hundred percent that that happened. Did This is
a more complex question. And the reason I say that
is you got to remember where the United States was
(02:53):
at the time, with Russia, the Cold War, the space
race and all of that. The US would have done
whatever was necessary to cast a positive light on the mission.
So could there have been some photo touch ups or
something quite possibly? I don't know, but that's that could
(03:15):
very well be possible. But as it relates to they
actually go to the Moon, I think they actually went
to the moon.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know, it's you know, it's you know, it's interesting.
Is so.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Fifty years ago, even even thirty years ago, before the Internet,
there was really no debate at all about whether there
was any conspiracy for moon lighting.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean we haven't heard this until probably the
last what ten years, Yeah, probably the last five years.
Really a lot depending on you know, your your chat
threat of your algorithm. Some of you you're like, this
is a thing, right, but you have no algorithm, you
know whatever. That's fine, But once you sort of dive
down the.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Hole, go down the rabbit trail, on the rabbit trail,
then all of.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
A sudden that the algorithm on your social media brings
everything up. And because I went down the rabbit hole,
I've seen everything there is to see. Just about I
have seen every single conspiracy theory reel, and I've seen
i would say almost as much, not quite as much,
but almost as much defensive reels, right like this is
(04:19):
this is absolute proof that we've gone to the moon.
You know, just you know science, you know all the
science behind everything, right, And so here's what I find
very interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I find very interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I'll just say I'll just say this that. So let's
pretend you're NASA, okay, and all of a sudden, and
by the way, NASA claims currently this is all fact.
You can google all this NASA currently claims. Number one,
They're like, hey, let's where's the technology to go back
to the moon. They literally say this is the this
is their official statement. It get lost somehow, and they say, well,
(04:54):
do we have the technology go back to the moon
and they go no, and they say where why? They say, well,
we lost that, we don't know. And they say, okay,
well let's let's review original tapes. And they say they
were misplaced, didn't know where they are, so nothing exists. Okay, okay,
now that's just a fact. Now now your opinion about that,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They also say, uh, you know, back in the sixties, uh,
with with with less technology that was in this phone,
we were able to get past the you know, the
h that radiation barrier, you know, the humans and get
to the moon somehow with technology in a little chef
you know, shuttle that looked like it was a tin can.
And now here we are, you know, almost one hundred
(05:35):
years later. It seems like, what is it eighty years later?
And uh, and we can't even come close to doing that,
So we've not send anybody back, right and all the
technologies lost now right then and there you can have
your opinions and then if you want to analyze all
the footage and everything else. And so I'm just so
I see very compelling things. For I see very compelling
(05:56):
things against So, if you're NASA and you have the
entire your world beating down on your door saying, I
can't believe that you lied to us, Just prove that
you went. And then of course you have buzz Aldron
who's publicly said that it was a hoax. He's online
saying we didn't go. He said that three times, he
(06:18):
said that publicly, and people are like, oh, he's crazy,
that old man, right, and and so so you have
all these things. So if you're NASA and you have
all this controversy, right, why would you allow the film
that was just made by h Channing Tatum and Scarlett
Johansson called Fly Me the Moon? Why would you allow
(06:39):
that to be filmed on NASA property? Do you know
what the film's about? No, Okay, we're only that six minutes,
so I'll make this very quickly. Basically it's about what
they're saying is it's not based on a true story, right.
But basically what they're saying is they made they made
a movie that says, no, the filming was real, but
(07:00):
because because that the moon landing was real, it was
it was absolutely what happened, but because they were worried
that it might not have been able to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They hired the.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Scarlett Johansson person to hire a director, and they created
a movie set. And so all those controversial tapes where
it says he's on wires, yeah, look, you can tell
there's a wire, this movie said, no, there was a set.
And so they filmed it, and they went live to
the nation on set, right, and then all of a
sudden when they landed, they're like, switch over, switch over,
(07:36):
and then they switched over and so and so what
they did was that movie somehow just planted like a
solution to the controversy that says, oh, I guess both
were true, right, I guess there was a set. For
all the you know, the all the all the film
analysis people that are like, here's the ten things that
(07:57):
prove this is fake. The film this film said, oh,
both things happened at once, and NASA agreed to have
that film be filmed on NASA property. Now, if that,
if there was no set, why would you.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Ever entertain the idea of the idea and planet.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
In the American public that there was a set and
by the way of all the things, and and it
sounds crazy because I'm a Holloway guy. Of all the
things that I'm confused about, that's the biggest one. NASA
said yes to that film, And it's like, why would
you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
If I'm if I'm if I'm standing on the truth,
I'm I'm going I'm doubling down and I'm saying, there
is no guys, there is no way this is fake,
right and and and come on there was nothing was
faked in front of the public eye. Instead, they're like, yeah,
come film.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think you're a private investigator in your part time.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, well, which okay, listen, we have we have
we have fifteen seconds for your response. Yeah, what is
your hot take on my little NASA thing?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I think the idea of having a backup is
plausible in terms of American morale during that period when
we were up against the Russians. So they had already
got spot Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But they didn't admit that that film is real.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So no, I but I believe that it's plausible that
someone thought, hey, we probably need to have a backup
in case things go wrong. That that's plausible sure, in
understanding how things were in that period.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I think that's the reason why the movie was
made because of what you just said. But that's not
my question. Yeah, my question is, and that'sad denies it.
They said they said there was no set so why
would they allow that film to be filmed?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah? I think if in some classified archive. Okay, think
someone knows the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All right, all right, Well that it's definitely a hot
take topic.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah, did good on that one.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
All right, Well, let's good move on, because even though
that is super controversial, you know what else is controversial?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Acts Chapter four.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, no, no, no, it is.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, they pray for boldness even though they're being crucy cuted. Yeah,
that's a dangerous prayer. Then that's controversial.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That is true. It's a stretch, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, well it's that transition.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, So here we go, Acts Chapter four, versus twenty
three through thirty one, and it says as soon as
they were freed, Peter and John returned to the other
believers and told them what the leading priests and elders
had said. When they heard the report, all the believers
lifted their voices together in prayers to God, Oh Sovereign Lord,
(10:49):
Creator of Heaven and Earth, the sea, and everything in them.
You spoke long ago by the Holy Spirit, through our
ancestor David, your servants, saying, why are the nations so angry?
Why did they waste their time with futile plans? The
kings of the earth prepared for battle. The rulers gathered
together against the Lord and against his Messiah Verse twenty seven.
(11:11):
In fact, this has happened here in this very city
for herod Antipus, pontious Pilot, the governor, the Gentiles, and
the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your
holy servant, whom you anointed. But everything they did was
determined beforehand, according to your will. And now, O Lord,
(11:32):
hear their threats and give us your servants great boldness
in preaching your word. Stretch out your hand with healing power.
May your miraculous signs and wonders be done through the
name of your holy Servant Jesus. After this prayer, the
meeting place shook, and they were all filled with the
Holy Spirit. Then they preached the Word of God with boldness.
(11:56):
Yeah that was good.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, it's really good. And the context is in chapter
four earlier. It says Peter and John went before the council.
So they went to the council of all the rulers
and elders and teachers of the religious law, and they
met in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So they were.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Being tried, they were being accused, and so they didn't
back down. And so I want to read this note
here in the Transformation Study Bible. It says, covering verses
nineteen through twenty two, it says the failure of the
council was evident when Peter refused to be intimidated by
their threats. All we need to do is follow Peter's
(12:35):
example to make our decisions on the basis of is
it right and not is it popular or is it safe.
We must be sure, however, that we have clear teaching
of the Word of God on our side before we
take a stand against the authority of the government. Peter
knew what the Lord had commanded believers to do and
ast chapter one, verse eight, for he was going to
(12:57):
obey him at any cost.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And so I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The idea that like Peter and John were accused, they
stood up and then they said this prayer after they
were freed, which is why it started by you saying
as soon as they were freed, right, Peter and John returned.
You know, it's interesting in our nation. Last weekend we
made a statement about all the horrible things that were
(13:24):
going on in our nation. And to be honest with you,
it's always a difficult thing whenever, whenever something happens that
shakes our nation to the core of its you know,
faith and everything else. It's like people are feeling a
lot of different things and you want to address it.
But at the same time, if you're a leader, and
(13:46):
by the way, that doesn't just mean church leader. It
means if you're like a person on the news or
Jimmy Kimmel, right, I mean he's in the news today
because of it. Right, we all have to make choices
about what we're going to say in the stand that
we're going to take. And to be honest with you,
it wasn't so we made a statement at our church,
but it wasn't political. It wasn't about right or left.
(14:08):
It wasn't about what happened to our nation according to
all these arguments of agreeing or disagreeing, it wasn't about that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And that's one thing that I like about heritage is
the fact that we don't take a political stance. If
anyone wants to know what stance we take, it's that
we believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. Yeah, that's the
stance that we take.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And if it is a political topic, we will preach
from the Bible.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And one of the things that I was always so
impressed with is Jeff Forrest, Our lead pastor, says, he goes, Hey,
he goes, instead of getting up there and using politically
charged words, he said, those are man made words. So
why would I use politically charged words that everybody has
their own interpretation on what they're going to attach to
those words.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He says.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Instead, here's what I do. He goes, I preach on
the same topic, only I used Bible words. And he goes,
So if you ever wonder what we believe, he goes,
He goes, you can't yell at me because I didn't
write it.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I didn't write the Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
He goes, I'm just going to preach the Bible, use
Bible words, and it could be the same exact topic,
and I'll preach the Bible, he goes. He goes, so
there's no question on what we believe. So if somebody says, oh,
pick a candidate it's like, well, you can probably guess
which candidate we're going to vote for based on what
we have preached and what we believe, right, because we're
just going to preach the Bible and we're going to
(15:28):
let you put two and two together, because after all,
that's what every believer is called to do anyway. And
I didn't mean to get on a topic rant. In fact,
that wasn't even my focus or a political rant. I
wasn't even I wasn't even trying to do that. What
I was trying to say is this, we made a
statement that wasn't you know, right or left or anything
like that. We made a statement and said, it's not
important about you know, whether you agree or disagree. The
(15:50):
important thing is how do you act, interact, and react
when you disagree? Right, Because that's what Christ called us
to do. So it doesn't matter what the topic is
when you disagree, the initiative is clear. Right, this is
how you should behave as ladies and gentlemen. You can
(16:11):
still disagree with somebody and worship them with them side
by side. Right, You don't have to have acts of
violence and hatred.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's like Christ calls the church to be the church
no matter what, and that was sort of our statement
in our prayer, right, help us to be a nation
that is willing to do that. Well, the idea of
even making any kind of statement publicly, you have to
go back to sort of this idea, which is like,
am I going to do this? And then you have
(16:40):
to ask your question, youlf, the question is this the
right thing to do? And is it the wrong thing
to do to be too cowardice not to say anything,
or do you figure out a hard way and do
the hard work to be able to say, no, this
is the right thing to do, and we're going to
put all the work into it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It took us hours to come up with a three
minute response, hours of conversation, but because we felt like
this is the right thing to do, and so we
want to stand on the side of what is right.
And we said what we meant and we didn't say
anything wrong and it wasn't charged in any way. We
(17:19):
just we just want to we just want to say
what we feel like God wants us to say to
the people who are fearful and going through a lot
of different things. Right, Yeah, and it's not based on
one event. I mean you know, there were things that
happened in our country, they go back a month and
a half ago, that are very, very disturbing, and people
are having a really hard time.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right, but you stand up for what is right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, you do what is right. Yeah, Verse twenty nine.
Just to dig into that, it says, and now, oh Lord,
hear their threats, and give us your servants great boldness
in preaching your word. For some reason, when I read that,
I think of a person at work in the context
(18:04):
of Jesus not being convenient. Sometimes when you work out
in the world, it's easier not to mention Jesus, not
to mention that you go to work, to go to church,
not to mention that you know, you're in a small group.
It's just easier sometimes in the workplace to kind of
(18:25):
I think of Homer, you know that meme of Homer
Simpson going back into the bushes. Yes, it's just kind
of good.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, so good, because it's attached to so many different things.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, but that's what it reminds me of when I
read this, that you know, sometimes it's easier to not
say that you're a follower of Jesus, Like when Peter
was confronted, aren't Aren't you one of those you know,
followers of Jesus. No, I never met the man, you know,
that kind of thing. So I think they're saying here
(18:54):
is in times like that, you need to have boldness.
That's right, you need to speak up. There could be
someone in your workplace that is going through something and
they find out that you're a Christian and they're like, man,
I can go to that person for advice. Yeah, I
can go to that person for some godly counsel. Yeah.
I can go to that person for help. But it's
gonna take a little bit of boldness on your part
(19:18):
to make that be known.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And you know what the funny thing is is people
of most people, most people, they will follow if somebody
first steps up.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah. Right. So I'm not saying that you have.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To be this great and courageous leader of people right
to lead them a great, big movement.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. We're not saying go to work with a big house,
Bible under your arm, and like all of those things.
We're not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, in a social setting, most people have a
tendency to just be quiet, Yeah, until, like, you know,
somebody speaks up and I can't even tell you. I'm
a speak up kind of person. So I can't even
tell you the number of times in my entire life
where I've been in a setting, a public setting, where
there's either a handful or larger group of people in
the room and and something's happening. It's going one way
(20:04):
and it's a negative way or a wrong way, and
then I'm looking around, going is anybody gonna say anything?
And so then I'll speak up. And as soon as
I speak up, like ten other people are like, yeah,
I feel that way also.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, And it's like, well, why didn't you say anything?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah. But it's like, but I don't have to be
a great leader of this movement. I just have to
voice my opinion and just be bold enough, which is.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What Peter is saying. Peter's saying, let us be bold.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Of course, this is the context of like, let us
be bold in the sense to where we may lose
our lives.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, we may go to prison. There's a great cost
to this. Great even in the workplace, there could be
a great cost. You don't want to be kind of ostracized, right,
you know, you don't want to be the oh you're
one of those Jesus people one of those holy rollers,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So yeah, yeah, there could be a little bit of
a cost, right, yeah, or a big cost. Yeah, but
but yeah, when it comes down to being bold about
your faith, and especially when it comes to standing up
for what is right, if you're a believer and follower
of Christ and and you know what the right thing
to do is, then just know that, Like, hey, it's
it's easier to live your life doing what's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Right and and and and.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Just you know, accepting the consequences than it is to
live your life in the shadows and in the cowardice
of being too afraid to ever do what is right.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, in the safe zone, just living your life in
that as a safe area. Yeah, that's yeah, that's right. No,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, hey, that's a great place to end. And uh,
hopefully we will see you tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in
on the Bible guys.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
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