July 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Episode 737:
In this episode, we dive into the intriguing concept of what it would be like if Jesus had his own podcast, focusing on some of his most famous sayings. Our discussion centers around a powerful passage from Luke 10, where Jesus sends out 72 disciples to spread his message. He instructs them to pray for more workers in the harvest, emphasizing the urgency and importance of spreading the Gospel. We reflect on the significance of teamwork in ministry, as Jesus sends the disciples out in pairs, highlighting the safety and encouragement that comes from working together.
In this episode, we dive into the intriguing concept of what it would be like if Jesus had his own podcast, focusing on some of his most famous sayings. Our discussion centers around a powerful passage from Luke 10, where Jesus sends out 72 disciples to spread his message. He instructs them to pray for more workers in the harvest, emphasizing the urgency and importance of spreading the Gospel. We reflect on the significance of teamwork in ministry, as Jesus sends the disciples out in pairs, highlighting the safety and encouragement that comes from working together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Buckle up, folks, Wow, buckle up. I'm feeling it today. Okay,
it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Jeff is raring to go. Yesterday you got rouled up?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes man, oh man.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah. So we're we're in the middle of a series,
ladies and gentlemen. Uh, what if Jesus had a podcast,
he would be talking about, most likely some of his
most famous sayings.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're just taking his most famous sayings and pretending like
it's his podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's right, that's right. So that's what we're doing. And
before we get into that, we have a segment that
Desiree has pieced together that's actually something I don't think
we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, so that today is it's a dad joke showdown,
but we're putting a little twist on it. So instead
of using preapproved, professionally awful dad jokes that Desiree usually
gives us what.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
She wanted us to do, she asked us to She
gives us great ones.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Sometimes she told them.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
To each of us to ask chat GPT for the
worst dead jokes that could possibly generate.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And then find the absolute worst one.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So essentially, what she's doing is she's outsourcing the.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Cringe, outsourcing the cringe.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
There you go, all right, here we go. It's a
race to the bottom right here? Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There? It is? Do it all right? Why can't you
give Elsa a balloon? I don't know, because she'll let
it go.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Let it go. Yeah, it's terrible, and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's really bad.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Okay, why did the tomato turn red? Why because it's
the salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, that's actually decent.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm giving you the worst ones in me too. Okay,
did you hear about the restaurant on the moon? No
great food, no atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
That's a good one. Okay. What do you call a
fish wearing a bow tie? What sophisticated? That's a rough one.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I used to play piano by ear, but now I
use my hand.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I got that one too, did you? Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Wow, I used to play the piano by ear, but
now I use my hands like a normal person.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I get another one.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's really GPT is doubling up well, hey, that's okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Why don't skeletons fight each other? I've heard this one before.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh they have no guts.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I didn't have the guts.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, you've heard this one too before. Why did the
golfer bring two pairs of pants? I don't know, because
you get a hole in one?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, okay, okay. I told my wife she was drawing
her eyebrows too high. She looks surprised.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's the one that was you got one? I was
going to read you this.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh wow, yeah, it sent that way.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now this one I actually liked. Okay, Yes, what's orange
and sounds like a parrot? I don't know a carrot?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, stupid? Okay? Why didn't I know that one? How
do you organize a space party your planet?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah? Was that on yours?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Too? Yes? Oh wow, so so chet GPT doubled up?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay, How about this one? I only know twenty five
letters of the alphabet. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's a good one. That's really good act. Why don't
eggs tell jokes?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Why?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Because they'd crack each other up and scramble the punchline.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's a rough, that's rough. That is rough. Okay, this
is a bad one. Okay. Why did the math book
look sad? I don't know. It had too many problems.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If they made a movie that you'd cry at it
would I yeah, animated half.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Books, so many problems, Billy, there you go. Uh what
did the oceans say to the beach?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It just waved.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh wow, what do you call what do you call
a cheese that isn't yours?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Not to cheese?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
My last one is why did the scarecrow win an award?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Because he was outstanding in his field?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's a rough Okay, Well I have one more. I
have one more. Did you hear about the guy who
invented life savers? He made a mint? So there you go.
That's all tan of mine.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hey, I actually have my own that my daughter told
me that that I've not used on the air before.
I actually liked this one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Did you hear about the weasel who walked into a bar?
A weasel walks into a bar and the bartender says, wow,
we don't get many weasels in here. What would you
like to drink? Pop? Goes the weasel.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, it's great, that's terrible. Okay, well if you groaned,
we did our job. Yeah, that was that was what
I think. That was her goal today was just was
to create as many like just please stop kind.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Of groans right as possible.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And so, hey, you're welcome everybody. But those were really
really bad dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So and by the way, so I need to work
at it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Some dad jokes are great. Yeah, I still like my
Harry Potter one.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, that was a good one. Yep, we need to
work at this more. You know what else needs more workers?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh really, wow, that's so good.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, Jesus said he needs more workers in the field
because the harvest is ready.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They're just enough workers.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know. That's a great quote. Yeah, yeah, Jesus said it,
and today we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm a big fan, big fan, So so we're doing
this podcast as if Jesus were taking famous comments he
made and say, hey, that's the theme for his podcast
for the day. And so here in Luke, chapter ten,
I was.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Wondering why you said, you know, we get to work
on this more. I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's so trying to get there, I can think.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So, if you're a newer listener, we're always trying to
think of the worst possible transitions from the goofy segment
into the things. So in Luke chapter ten, we'll just
read one through ten.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I believe one through twenty. Ooh, yep, good.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So it says the Lord now chose seventy two other disciples. Hey,
remember yesterday we talked about twelve, and then there were
one hundred and twenty. Now there's seventy two. So the
Lord chose them. Yep, Lord chose seventy two other disciples
and sent them ahead in pairs to all the towns
and places that he planned to visit. These were his
instructions to them. The harvest is great, but the workers
are few. So pray to the Lord who is in
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charge of the harvest, and ask him to send more
workers into his field. Now go and remember that I
am sending you out as lambs among wolves. Don't take
any money with you, or a traveler's bag, nor an
extra pair of sandals, and don't stop to greet anyone
on the road. Whenever you enter someone's home, first say
may God's peace be on this house. If those who
live there are peaceful, the blessing will stand. If they
are not the blessing will return to you. Don't move
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around from home to home. Stay in one place, eating
and drinking what they provide. Don't hesitate to accept hospitality,
because those who work.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Deserve their pay.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If you enter a town and it welcomes you, eat
whatever is set before you, heal the sick, and tell
them the Kingdom of God is near near you now.
But if a town refuses to welcome you, go out
into its streets and say, we wipe even the dust
of your town from our feet, to show that we
have abandoned you to your fate. And know this the
Kingdom of God is near. I assure you, even wicked
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Sodom would be better off than such a town on
Judgment Day. What sorrow awaits you, Corsine and bethseta for
if the miracles I did in you had been done
in the wicked Tire and Sidon, their people would have
repented of their sins long ago, clothing themselves in burlap
and throwing ashes on their heads to show their remorse. Yes,
Tire and Sidon will be better off on Judgment Day
than you. And you people of Capernaum. Will you be
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honored in heaven? No, you will go down to the
place of the dead.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Then he said to the disciples, anyone who accepts your
message is also accepting me, And anyone who rejects you
is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting
God who sent me. When the seventy two disciples return,
they joyfully reported him.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Even the demons obey us when we use your name. Yes,
he told them, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning. Look,
I've given you authority over all the power of the enemy,
and you can walk them on snakes and scorpions and
crush them. Nothing will injure you. But don't rejoice because
evil spirits obey.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Rejoice because your names are registered in heaven. There you go, man,
that is.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Such an obscure and overlooked verse. Don't rejoice because evil
spirits obey, you, rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.
In other words, like as mighty as God is in
our lives and all the great miracles that He does
in us and through us, don't take pride in the
fact that God uses you for great things. Right, You
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don't have pride in that right. Right, It's just like
it's a gentle reminder that you know, tells us like,
for instance, a little weird to reflect on this, but
in this context, everybody knows our spirit. So we just
had a baptism day on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Morning, and it was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
We experienced something that very few people on this earth
get to experience. Right, So our church baptized two hundred
and what was it, fifty.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Four, two hundred and fifty four people, two hundred and
fifty four people. That was our Sterling Heights campus. The
other two campuses have baptisms coming up in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So so our one campus baptized two
fifty four people. And excuse me, And so what is
the average church they convert they experience brand new Christians baptism?
What was the average church baptized a year?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh boy, I saw that stat rate before one of
our staff meetings here recently, because I looked it up again.
They the average church averages one point five new believers
that are not already at tenders of the church, meaning
most churches baptized the children of people who attend the church. Right,
and then the average church baptizes less than two non.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Believers a year, right, who just you know, walking in from.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
All from outside?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right, and so, so all that to say, and they
don't baptize non believers. They're baptized people who gave the
life to crisis result of the ministry.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now they baptized them. Yeah, they were non believers right
from outside.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah. So anyway, all that to say this, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think it's the average church baptizes less than five
people a year, but I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'll look it up, let me ask.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So all that to say, like you and I, because
of our you know, knowledge, because you measure everything, sure, right,
we're able to understand that. Wow, what a great privilege. Right,
So a verse like this reminds us, Hey, don't rejoice
because God does great things. Right, there's no there's no
there's no pride. I want you to take in that, right,
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That's how I read that. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And what do you say you didn't do it?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hey? You want to you want to get excited over something,
Get excited over the fact that guess what your name
is registered in heaven? Like there's the miracle, right, right,
that's the miracle. You could brag on That's the miracle
you can find pride in. That's the miracle you should
brag about, not the other things that God uses you
for and get, you know, let you experience. That's the
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way that I take that because that is translatable in
my you know, in my life. Because after all, think
about it, he's talking to the seventy two who are
going out and doing incredible things. Hey, you're gonna be
able to walk up on snakes and you're gonna be impenetrable,
right right, nobody's gonna harm you because I'm sending you
out as these incredible you know, people on mission who
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are gonna go from town to town and you're gonna
do incredible things. You're gonna heal people, You're gonna heal
the sick. Right, You're gonna do all these great things.
But the only thing you should really take pride in
is the fact that God has saved your soul.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They were like, Jesus Man, we were casting out demons
in your name.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
This is awesome, and he just goes, yeah, I saw
Satan fall from heaven.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Just side note.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah right, it wasn't you, But it was the power
of my name that did it. That's what he's saying there,
which is is so funny, But we get excited about
those things. Sometimes you ever get around people who get
like super spooky, it's all they want to talk about,
is like demons and miracles and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right, And this is what Jesus is saying, is, hey,
there's more important things than that this idea. Rejoice that
your name is registered in heaven. I wonder if our
listeners knew that there are multiple times in the Bible
that talks about this book where our names are registered.
The Lamb's Book of Life is what it's called, and
it says those whose names were found in the Book
of Life entered into heaven, and those whose name was
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not found written in the Book of Life was cast
into outer darkness. Right yeah, and it talks about that
second death is what it's talking about, talking about eternity
without Christ and hell. So the Lamb's Book of Life,
that's really it is. If your name is in it,
you're on your way. If your name's not in it,
you're not. And that's what he's he's making a big
deal about. So do you think that when somebody trusts
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crist that's when their name goes in.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes, yeah, me too, me too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So anyways, I just looked it up, by the way,
a minute ago. It says that large churches average thirty
eight baptisms per year, medium churches average twenty two, small
churches average eleven, and very small churches average four baptisms. Now,
the average church in America is only sixty nine people.
And then it says thousands of churches see no baptisms
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in a year. Right, so it looks like the average
on average, larger churches baptized more people obviously just because
they have more people. But the small churches typically it's
about four is what the average church in America.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And we have the potential to see probably upwards of
maybe what six or seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, I think we will baptize over six hundred this
year for sure. Yeah, we're heading in that direction.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But which is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So you see God do something special and then you go, oh,
look what we did, and Jesus, hey, Jesus, we cast
our demons the name. Yeah, I saw Satan fall from heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So he just has a great way of putting in perspective.
But you cast out a demon out of some drunkard
in town. I was there when we cast Satan out
of Heaven.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah yeah, and I did it. I did it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That's just such an amazing, amazing turn on these guys.
It's cool, but one interesting. Let's go back to the
beginning of it. I think it's really great.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Cho when you said, before we get away from this thought,
you said, have you ever been around somebody who's like
super spooky? Oh? Yeah, and they all they want to
do is talk about spooky things. I remember one time
when I was in youth ministry, I set up a
sound system in the fellowship Paul, and we had this
big event, and it had a bad cable, right, it
had a bad cable, and sometimes it would work and
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sometimes it wouldn't. And I said, I said, man, we
need to pray this thing works. And so the church
secretary or whatever the you know, administrative assistant comes over
and she puts her hand on the soundboard and she goes,
I pray the sound demons come out of this board,
and the demons would be cast out of this soundboard.
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I'm like, okay, I'm pretty sure that it's just a
bad cable, But okay, if that's the way you want
to if that's the way you want to pray.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, yep, anyway, I just if the devil's gonna get
into anything, he'll get into the sound, saystem I'll tell
you that, or he'll pinch a baby in the service,
right right, those are those are the two things he
loves to do. Anyways, So Jesus is sending these seventy
two out. That's sometimes a surprise to people that didn't realize.
They thought it was just twelve disciples. The twelve were
like his inner circle, and then his inner inner circle
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was Peter, James and John. Right, so but he has
he chooses these other seventy two, and I love it.
He sends them ahead in pairs to all the towns
and places he planned to visit. So these teams were Hey,
by the way, Jesus is coming. Do you ever wonder
why the crowds are so big? Jesus planned for big crowds, right,
that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So every once in a while, you know, you and
I will get criticized for working hard to figure out
how to capture people's attention, how to draw a crowd,
all these things. It's not a mystery. While why Jesus
crowds are so big. One he was taking sack lunches
and feeding thousands of people at a pop, right, and
he was raising dead people back to life. Those two
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things will draw crowd.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That'll draw crowd.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
But then if you want to maximize that and don't
want to lose out on the momentum, you go recruit
seventy two of your other disciples and say, hey, I'm
going to go to these ten towns. Go and tell
him I'm coming. That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And then did you hear about that guy that fed
everybody with a sack lunch? Yeah, you hear about that
guy that raised the people from the dead. Yeah, he's
coming here.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And then do miracles in his name, yes, and make
sure that he gets the credit.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's right in Jesus name, right right.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And so so this is why the crowds kept getting
bigger and bigger. Is Jesus planned to have bigger crowds. Now,
it was exhausting. We saw this a couple different times.
We'd have to leave the crowd. He'd go out and
get on a boat or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, and leave.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But he was sending the subject and I think a
lot of people have never thought about how intentional Jesus
was about getting the good news to as men people
as possible in that short little window of time that
he was doing ministry.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He was so intentional that he knew whether or not
it was the time, right, he says, all, my time
is not yet come. Sometimes he would reveal himself as
the Messiah and say, well, don't tell anybody just yet,
you know, don't, don't don't go to the highways and
the hedges, you know, kind of thing. And then and
then when he wanted it to happen, then it happened.
So so all that to say, think about how absolutely
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incredible his intentionality was, right right, I mean his first miracle.
Remember what he told his mother it's not my time yet, yeah, right,
So he he knew exactly when he wanted his message
to go out, yes, which is yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So then he sends him out two by two, which
I love. I love the fact that he's not saying,
go do this alone. God, God always wants us to
be working in teams. The importance of teams. I think
there's a real danger when we become kind of lone
ranger leaders or lone ranger Christians, we're out there just
doing ourselves. We kind of become our own heroes a
little bit. We think that we start believing our own press,
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we start doing those things. But when you know there's
something about working together, we keep each other humble.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
God desires a plurality of leadership. You read it through
the book, through the writings of Paul. He's always writing
to the elders plural at the different churches, and there's
something about this. So even in this when they're going out,
they go out in pairs to all the towns and places.
There's also some safety in that. You know, whenever the
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executive leaders at Heritage Church travel anywhere, we always make
sure that we're going in groups. Right, a couple of
people at the time, and it's way more expensive. I'm
getting ready, I have to shoot over for a quick
meeting in India, and you know that by itself's not quick.
It takes two days just to get there. But I'm
grabbing somebody else and they're going with me. And it's
because we've had times when we're in our hotel room
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and some lady comes up and knocks on the door.
You never know what's going to happen right, right, And
so for the sake of our own testimony, you know,
having Chad in the room or me being in the room,
when somebody tries to pull something, we're able to one
encourage each other to do the right thing too, we're
able to vouch for the other that hey, yeah, no
he slammed the door.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, do these things. It's safer, it's better. And
then I'm just gonna be honest, it's way more fun.
So I had a long layover. I was traveling somewhere
and Chad and I had a long layover. He was
with me, my executive pastor, and we had like an
eight hour layover in Paris. And so it was the
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morning when we landed, it was like eight in the morning.
So we leave the airport, we go downtown, we run around,
we get some pictures, we get some great food, go
the stuff, we get on the thing. We come back laugh,
have all this fun to get things. About three months later,
I fly through Paris again and I had a nine
hour layover and I just stayed in the airport because
I was by myself. I was meeting people. They were
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picking me up in the country. I was going to
So I was still traveling in a group, but I
just wasn't in that moment on that flight, I was
by myself. I was in one of the great cities
of the world, and I didn't leave the airport. I
just stayed in the airport. It's not fun to do, right, right, right, Yeah,
And so it's there's all these things. There's a lot
of safety, there's a lot of encouragement. One one person's discouraged.
There have been times when I got sick, or when
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Chad got sick, or you got sick or somebody, and
we were able to help each other. But then it's
just way more fun to do it. And that's how
Jesus sent them out on this mission.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I agree. And you know, we went to the
Dominican Republic. I was just there last week.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, and working with the Transformed.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
One, working with Transform one and which is a ministry
that does.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
What Yeah, we're working with Transform one, which rescues underage
girls from sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And as you can imagine, there's you have to be
with somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
There, yes, right, Yeah, you can't be in.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That type of ministry by yourself, right, And so I'm
with the founder, Jeff Jones, and I'm with my son.
So Steven went with us this time. And we were
walking up.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And down and Stephen is my son, Yeah, is six,
and so we want to take away with you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So he's a man, he's he's a man. And we
were walking up and down the streets of a red
light district and uh, you know it's kind of nervous, right,
I mean, you know, it's like it's you know, there's
no necessarily like no danger or anything. But but you know,
when when you're around that environment, it's just.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So dark into an evil place.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, an evil place. It's just really dark. It feels
heavy and it and it's just you know, it's just
kind of you know, yucky or whatever. And uh but
uh but but you know, but basically, uh, Jeff Jones,
who's the founder of Transferring One, had spent the entire dinner,
like two hours of us just sitting there just coaching
(21:44):
Steven how to behave, what to say, what not to say,
where to look, what not we're not to look, how
to walk, you know, what to do? Right, I mean
it was just so unbelievably intentional coaching and I remember
thinking to myself, man, I am I am leap years
away from knowing half of that, right, Like I could
never ever survive right without that. All that to say,
(22:06):
what you're saying is, you know, going out two by two,
that's the way to do it, right. So this is
a great model for ministry, is what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Plan ahead, figure out how to maximize the momentum. Yeah,
go in pairs and in teams, all those things. And
then he says, you know, I'm you need to pray
that God sends more workers. The harvest is ready. The
problem is if you don't have enough people to be
able to harvest it all, a lot of us going
to get wasted. That's the issue. So the harvest is ready,
you need to be praying, and we pray all the time.
God send us more workers, Send us more people so
(22:37):
that we can go out in the field and reach
more people.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
For you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
His desire is a greater harvest, not a lesser harvest.
His desire isn't just go get what you can get.
He says, go get what you can get. Go in
a team, get as much as the two of you
can get, and then pray that God sends a whole
bunch more of you because we need more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So God's not just satisfied with oh, well, I did
the best I could. God says, let's find every way
to get as many as we can. It's the heartbeat
of my life. I know it is yours as well.
And so then he says, I feel like I'm sending
you like lambs among the wolves.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You guys are so innocent, you just don't even know
what's about to happen. Because wolves eat lambs. Lambs don't
eat wolves, right, so it's going to be difficult. There's
going to be some difficulty there. So then he gives
them some instructions. It saysn't about the money, it's not
about what all you have or how you're traveling with style.
And then he says, instead, go find a person of peace.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And it's amazing to me how often we've been, you know,
we'll wade into a ministry opportunity where we wo feel
like God's asking us to go to a place we
don't know anybody, We're not exactly sure. I remember the
first time we went into Egypt and we were trying
to figure out how to do some stuff in an
area that wasn't going to be super excited about Jesus' stuff.
(23:53):
And on the plane, this young guy and this young
girl come up and they go, are.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You guys Christians? Like yeah, he says, my dad's a pastor.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Turns out probably the only two Christians on the whole
plane is this brother and sister, and they wind up
bringing us to this church. We wind up meeting the dad.
The dad opened up a few doors. It was amazing.
You find this man a piece first, And that's what
Jesus is saying. You find that man of piece, somebody
who's local who can open the door for you rather
than just trying to bust through and all that kind
(24:22):
of stuff. So that's what he tells them to do.
I think it's really a cool, cool way you find
that man of piece.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, I agree. And then it's a shake the dust
off if they reject, if they reject, And so in
that day that was actually it makes a lot of sense. Right,
they had sandals, their feet were always dusty, which is
why they did foot washing. Right, they had all those customs,
and so shaking off the dust symbolically is like saying like, hey, like,
(24:48):
there's no excuse here. You know, Jesus was in person
doing miracles, and Jesus himself said, had these other wicked
cities seen these types of miracles? You guys are spoiled
and don't even know it, right, right, you've seen all
these miracles, and yet you reject me. And so it
sounds harsh what he's saying, right, like, is there going
to be blessing for you? Know? There's not. You know,
(25:08):
you had Jesus Christ himself, God himself in the flesh
doing miracles, preaching the good news, and you rejected him
like that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And then understand, when somebody rejects you, they're not rejecting
your right when they reject your message and not rejecting you.
Jesus literally said, anyone who accepts your message is accepting me,
and anyone who rejects you is rejecting me.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Which is why sometimes I hear you say when you
when you talk about God's word, and it's a hard truth.
You go, I didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I didn't write it exactly. I didn't write it. I'm
just telling you, right, that's great, it's fantastic. Well go
share the gospel with your friends. That's it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Take somebody with you, and then understand if they reject it,
they're not rejecting you as a person, They're rejecting the
message of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah. So this is a great passage that says, hey,
God needs his workers, you know, pray that God would
say people out and and it's dangerous, but find people
of peace, find a ministry partner, and go out and
enjoy God's bless And if.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You're not yet on the team helping make new disciples
and reaching new people, we need you on the team.
Jesus said, we're supposed to be praying that you'd help
us out. Come on help us.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's great. Yeah all right, well, hey, that's a great
place to end and hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on
the Bible guys,
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Buckle up, folks, Wow, buckle up. I'm feeling it today. Okay,
it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Jeff is raring to go. Yesterday you got rouled up?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes man, oh man.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah. So we're we're in the middle of a series,
ladies and gentlemen. Uh, what if Jesus had a podcast,
he would be talking about, most likely some of his
most famous sayings.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're just taking his most famous sayings and pretending like
it's his podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's right, that's right. So that's what we're doing. And
before we get into that, we have a segment that
Desiree has pieced together that's actually something I don't think
we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, so that today is it's a dad joke showdown,
but we're putting a little twist on it. So instead
of using preapproved, professionally awful dad jokes that Desiree usually
gives us what.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
She wanted us to do, she asked us to She
gives us great ones.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Sometimes she told them.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
To each of us to ask chat GPT for the
worst dead jokes that could possibly generate.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And then find the absolute worst one.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So essentially, what she's doing is she's outsourcing the.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Cringe, outsourcing the cringe.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
There you go, all right, here we go. It's a
race to the bottom right here? Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There? It is? Do it all right? Why can't you
give Elsa a balloon? I don't know, because she'll let
it go.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Let it go. Yeah, it's terrible, and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's really bad.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Okay, why did the tomato turn red? Why because it's
the salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, that's actually decent.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm giving you the worst ones in me too. Okay,
did you hear about the restaurant on the moon? No
great food, no atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
That's a good one. Okay. What do you call a
fish wearing a bow tie? What sophisticated? That's a rough one.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I used to play piano by ear, but now I
use my hand.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I got that one too, did you? Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Wow, I used to play the piano by ear, but
now I use my hands like a normal person.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I get another one.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's really GPT is doubling up well, hey, that's okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Why don't skeletons fight each other? I've heard this one before.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh they have no guts.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I didn't have the guts.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, you've heard this one too before. Why did the
golfer bring two pairs of pants? I don't know, because
you get a hole in one?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, okay, okay. I told my wife she was drawing
her eyebrows too high. She looks surprised.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's the one that was you got one? I was
going to read you this.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh wow, yeah, it sent that way.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now this one I actually liked. Okay, Yes, what's orange
and sounds like a parrot? I don't know a carrot?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, stupid? Okay? Why didn't I know that one? How
do you organize a space party your planet?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah? Was that on yours?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Too? Yes? Oh wow, so so chet GPT doubled up?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay, How about this one? I only know twenty five
letters of the alphabet. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's a good one. That's really good act. Why don't
eggs tell jokes?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Why?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Because they'd crack each other up and scramble the punchline.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's a rough, that's rough. That is rough. Okay, this
is a bad one. Okay. Why did the math book
look sad? I don't know. It had too many problems.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If they made a movie that you'd cry at it
would I yeah, animated half.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Books, so many problems, Billy, there you go. Uh what
did the oceans say to the beach?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It just waved.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh wow, what do you call what do you call
a cheese that isn't yours?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Not to cheese?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
My last one is why did the scarecrow win an award?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Because he was outstanding in his field?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's a rough Okay, Well I have one more. I
have one more. Did you hear about the guy who
invented life savers? He made a mint? So there you go.
That's all tan of mine.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hey, I actually have my own that my daughter told
me that that I've not used on the air before.
I actually liked this one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Did you hear about the weasel who walked into a bar?
A weasel walks into a bar and the bartender says, wow,
we don't get many weasels in here. What would you
like to drink? Pop? Goes the weasel.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, it's great, that's terrible. Okay, well if you groaned,
we did our job. Yeah, that was that was what
I think. That was her goal today was just was
to create as many like just please stop kind.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Of groans right as possible.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And so, hey, you're welcome everybody. But those were really
really bad dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So and by the way, so I need to work
at it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Some dad jokes are great. Yeah, I still like my
Harry Potter one.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, that was a good one. Yep, we need to
work at this more. You know what else needs more workers?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh really, wow, that's so good.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, Jesus said he needs more workers in the field
because the harvest is ready.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They're just enough workers.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know. That's a great quote. Yeah, yeah, Jesus said it,
and today we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I'm a big fan, big fan, So so we're doing
this podcast as if Jesus were taking famous comments he
made and say, hey, that's the theme for his podcast
for the day. And so here in Luke, chapter ten,
I was.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Wondering why you said, you know, we get to work
on this more. I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's so trying to get there, I can think.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So, if you're a newer listener, we're always trying to
think of the worst possible transitions from the goofy segment
into the things. So in Luke chapter ten, we'll just
read one through ten.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I believe one through twenty. Ooh, yep, good.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So it says the Lord now chose seventy two other disciples. Hey,
remember yesterday we talked about twelve, and then there were
one hundred and twenty. Now there's seventy two. So the
Lord chose them. Yep, Lord chose seventy two other disciples
and sent them ahead in pairs to all the towns
and places that he planned to visit. These were his
instructions to them. The harvest is great, but the workers
are few. So pray to the Lord who is in
(06:32):
charge of the harvest, and ask him to send more
workers into his field. Now go and remember that I
am sending you out as lambs among wolves. Don't take
any money with you, or a traveler's bag, nor an
extra pair of sandals, and don't stop to greet anyone
on the road. Whenever you enter someone's home, first say
may God's peace be on this house. If those who
live there are peaceful, the blessing will stand. If they
are not the blessing will return to you. Don't move
(06:55):
around from home to home. Stay in one place, eating
and drinking what they provide. Don't hesitate to accept hospitality,
because those who work.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Deserve their pay.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If you enter a town and it welcomes you, eat
whatever is set before you, heal the sick, and tell
them the Kingdom of God is near near you now.
But if a town refuses to welcome you, go out
into its streets and say, we wipe even the dust
of your town from our feet, to show that we
have abandoned you to your fate. And know this the
Kingdom of God is near. I assure you, even wicked
(07:24):
Sodom would be better off than such a town on
Judgment Day. What sorrow awaits you, Corsine and bethseta for
if the miracles I did in you had been done
in the wicked Tire and Sidon, their people would have
repented of their sins long ago, clothing themselves in burlap
and throwing ashes on their heads to show their remorse. Yes,
Tire and Sidon will be better off on Judgment Day
than you. And you people of Capernaum. Will you be
(07:47):
honored in heaven? No, you will go down to the
place of the dead.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Then he said to the disciples, anyone who accepts your
message is also accepting me, And anyone who rejects you
is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting
God who sent me. When the seventy two disciples return,
they joyfully reported him.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Even the demons obey us when we use your name. Yes,
he told them, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning. Look,
I've given you authority over all the power of the enemy,
and you can walk them on snakes and scorpions and
crush them. Nothing will injure you. But don't rejoice because
evil spirits obey.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Rejoice because your names are registered in heaven. There you go, man,
that is.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Such an obscure and overlooked verse. Don't rejoice because evil
spirits obey, you, rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.
In other words, like as mighty as God is in
our lives and all the great miracles that He does
in us and through us, don't take pride in the
fact that God uses you for great things. Right, You
(08:50):
don't have pride in that right. Right, It's just like
it's a gentle reminder that you know, tells us like,
for instance, a little weird to reflect on this, but
in this context, everybody knows our spirit. So we just
had a baptism day on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Morning, and it was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
We experienced something that very few people on this earth
get to experience. Right, So our church baptized two hundred
and what was it, fifty.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Four, two hundred and fifty four people, two hundred and
fifty four people. That was our Sterling Heights campus. The
other two campuses have baptisms coming up in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So so our one campus baptized two
fifty four people. And excuse me, And so what is
the average church they convert they experience brand new Christians baptism?
What was the average church baptized a year?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh boy, I saw that stat rate before one of
our staff meetings here recently, because I looked it up again.
They the average church averages one point five new believers
that are not already at tenders of the church, meaning
most churches baptized the children of people who attend the church. Right,
and then the average church baptizes less than two non.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Believers a year, right, who just you know, walking in from.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
All from outside?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right, and so, so all that to say, and they
don't baptize non believers. They're baptized people who gave the
life to crisis result of the ministry.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now they baptized them. Yeah, they were non believers right
from outside.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah. So anyway, all that to say this, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I think it's the average church baptizes less than five
people a year, but I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'll look it up, let me ask.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So all that to say, like you and I, because
of our you know, knowledge, because you measure everything, sure, right,
we're able to understand that. Wow, what a great privilege. Right,
So a verse like this reminds us, Hey, don't rejoice
because God does great things. Right, there's no there's no
there's no pride. I want you to take in that, right,
(10:50):
That's how I read that. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And what do you say you didn't do it?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hey? You want to you want to get excited over something,
Get excited over the fact that guess what your name
is registered in heaven? Like there's the miracle, right, right,
that's the miracle. You could brag on That's the miracle
you can find pride in. That's the miracle you should
brag about, not the other things that God uses you
for and get, you know, let you experience. That's the
(11:14):
way that I take that because that is translatable in
my you know, in my life. Because after all, think
about it, he's talking to the seventy two who are
going out and doing incredible things. Hey, you're gonna be
able to walk up on snakes and you're gonna be impenetrable,
right right, nobody's gonna harm you because I'm sending you
out as these incredible you know, people on mission who
(11:38):
are gonna go from town to town and you're gonna
do incredible things. You're gonna heal people, You're gonna heal
the sick. Right, You're gonna do all these great things.
But the only thing you should really take pride in
is the fact that God has saved your soul.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They were like, Jesus Man, we were casting out demons
in your name.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
This is awesome, and he just goes, yeah, I saw
Satan fall from heaven.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Just side note.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah right, it wasn't you, But it was the power
of my name that did it. That's what he's saying there,
which is is so funny, But we get excited about
those things. Sometimes you ever get around people who get
like super spooky, it's all they want to talk about,
is like demons and miracles and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Right, And this is what Jesus is saying, is, hey,
there's more important things than that this idea. Rejoice that
your name is registered in heaven. I wonder if our
listeners knew that there are multiple times in the Bible
that talks about this book where our names are registered.
The Lamb's Book of Life is what it's called, and
it says those whose names were found in the Book
of Life entered into heaven, and those whose name was
(12:36):
not found written in the Book of Life was cast
into outer darkness. Right yeah, and it talks about that
second death is what it's talking about, talking about eternity
without Christ and hell. So the Lamb's Book of Life,
that's really it is. If your name is in it,
you're on your way. If your name's not in it,
you're not. And that's what he's he's making a big
deal about. So do you think that when somebody trusts
(12:59):
crist that's when their name goes in.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes, yeah, me too, me too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So anyways, I just looked it up, by the way,
a minute ago. It says that large churches average thirty
eight baptisms per year, medium churches average twenty two, small
churches average eleven, and very small churches average four baptisms. Now,
the average church in America is only sixty nine people.
And then it says thousands of churches see no baptisms
(13:26):
in a year. Right, so it looks like the average
on average, larger churches baptized more people obviously just because
they have more people. But the small churches typically it's
about four is what the average church in America.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And we have the potential to see probably upwards of
maybe what six or seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, I think we will baptize over six hundred this
year for sure. Yeah, we're heading in that direction.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But which is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So you see God do something special and then you go, oh,
look what we did, and Jesus, hey, Jesus, we cast
our demons the name. Yeah, I saw Satan fall from heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So he just has a great way of putting in perspective.
But you cast out a demon out of some drunkard
in town. I was there when we cast Satan out
of Heaven.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah yeah, and I did it. I did it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
That's just such an amazing, amazing turn on these guys.
It's cool, but one interesting. Let's go back to the
beginning of it. I think it's really great.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Cho when you said, before we get away from this thought,
you said, have you ever been around somebody who's like
super spooky? Oh? Yeah, and they all they want to
do is talk about spooky things. I remember one time
when I was in youth ministry, I set up a
sound system in the fellowship Paul, and we had this
big event, and it had a bad cable, right, it
had a bad cable, and sometimes it would work and
(14:39):
sometimes it wouldn't. And I said, I said, man, we
need to pray this thing works. And so the church
secretary or whatever the you know, administrative assistant comes over
and she puts her hand on the soundboard and she goes,
I pray the sound demons come out of this board,
and the demons would be cast out of this soundboard.
(15:00):
I'm like, okay, I'm pretty sure that it's just a
bad cable, But okay, if that's the way you want
to if that's the way you want to pray.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, yep, anyway, I just if the devil's gonna get
into anything, he'll get into the sound, saystem I'll tell
you that, or he'll pinch a baby in the service,
right right, those are those are the two things he
loves to do. Anyways, So Jesus is sending these seventy
two out. That's sometimes a surprise to people that didn't realize.
They thought it was just twelve disciples. The twelve were
like his inner circle, and then his inner inner circle
(15:29):
was Peter, James and John. Right, so but he has
he chooses these other seventy two, and I love it.
He sends them ahead in pairs to all the towns
and places he planned to visit. So these teams were Hey,
by the way, Jesus is coming. Do you ever wonder
why the crowds are so big? Jesus planned for big crowds, right,
that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So every once in a while, you know, you and
I will get criticized for working hard to figure out
how to capture people's attention, how to draw a crowd,
all these things. It's not a mystery. While why Jesus
crowds are so big. One he was taking sack lunches
and feeding thousands of people at a pop, right, and
he was raising dead people back to life. Those two
(16:09):
things will draw crowd.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That'll draw crowd.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
But then if you want to maximize that and don't
want to lose out on the momentum, you go recruit
seventy two of your other disciples and say, hey, I'm
going to go to these ten towns. Go and tell
him I'm coming. That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And then did you hear about that guy that fed
everybody with a sack lunch? Yeah, you hear about that
guy that raised the people from the dead. Yeah, he's
coming here.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And then do miracles in his name, yes, and make
sure that he gets the credit.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's right in Jesus name, right right.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And so so this is why the crowds kept getting
bigger and bigger. Is Jesus planned to have bigger crowds. Now,
it was exhausting. We saw this a couple different times.
We'd have to leave the crowd. He'd go out and
get on a boat or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, and leave.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But he was sending the subject and I think a
lot of people have never thought about how intentional Jesus
was about getting the good news to as men people
as possible in that short little window of time that
he was doing ministry.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He was so intentional that he knew whether or not
it was the time, right, he says, all, my time
is not yet come. Sometimes he would reveal himself as
the Messiah and say, well, don't tell anybody just yet,
you know, don't, don't don't go to the highways and
the hedges, you know, kind of thing. And then and
then when he wanted it to happen, then it happened.
So so all that to say, think about how absolutely
(17:28):
incredible his intentionality was, right right, I mean his first miracle.
Remember what he told his mother it's not my time yet, yeah, right,
So he he knew exactly when he wanted his message
to go out, yes, which is yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So then he sends him out two by two, which
I love. I love the fact that he's not saying,
go do this alone. God, God always wants us to
be working in teams. The importance of teams. I think
there's a real danger when we become kind of lone
ranger leaders or lone ranger Christians, we're out there just
doing ourselves. We kind of become our own heroes a
little bit. We think that we start believing our own press,
(18:03):
we start doing those things. But when you know there's
something about working together, we keep each other humble.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
God desires a plurality of leadership. You read it through
the book, through the writings of Paul. He's always writing
to the elders plural at the different churches, and there's
something about this. So even in this when they're going out,
they go out in pairs to all the towns and places.
There's also some safety in that. You know, whenever the
(18:31):
executive leaders at Heritage Church travel anywhere, we always make
sure that we're going in groups. Right, a couple of
people at the time, and it's way more expensive. I'm
getting ready, I have to shoot over for a quick
meeting in India, and you know that by itself's not quick.
It takes two days just to get there. But I'm
grabbing somebody else and they're going with me. And it's
because we've had times when we're in our hotel room
(18:54):
and some lady comes up and knocks on the door.
You never know what's going to happen right, right, And
so for the sake of our own testimony, you know,
having Chad in the room or me being in the room,
when somebody tries to pull something, we're able to one
encourage each other to do the right thing too, we're
able to vouch for the other that hey, yeah, no
he slammed the door.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, do these things. It's safer, it's better. And
then I'm just gonna be honest, it's way more fun.
So I had a long layover. I was traveling somewhere
and Chad and I had a long layover. He was
with me, my executive pastor, and we had like an
eight hour layover in Paris. And so it was the
(19:37):
morning when we landed, it was like eight in the morning.
So we leave the airport, we go downtown, we run around,
we get some pictures, we get some great food, go
the stuff, we get on the thing. We come back laugh,
have all this fun to get things. About three months later,
I fly through Paris again and I had a nine
hour layover and I just stayed in the airport because
I was by myself. I was meeting people. They were
(19:57):
picking me up in the country. I was going to
So I was still traveling in a group, but I
just wasn't in that moment on that flight, I was
by myself. I was in one of the great cities
of the world, and I didn't leave the airport. I
just stayed in the airport. It's not fun to do, right, right, right, Yeah,
And so it's there's all these things. There's a lot
of safety, there's a lot of encouragement. One one person's discouraged.
There have been times when I got sick, or when
(20:18):
Chad got sick, or you got sick or somebody, and
we were able to help each other. But then it's
just way more fun to do it. And that's how
Jesus sent them out on this mission.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I agree. And you know, we went to the
Dominican Republic. I was just there last week.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, and working with the Transformed.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
One, working with Transform one and which is a ministry
that does.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
What Yeah, we're working with Transform one, which rescues underage
girls from sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And as you can imagine, there's you have to be
with somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
There, yes, right, Yeah, you can't be in.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That type of ministry by yourself, right, And so I'm
with the founder, Jeff Jones, and I'm with my son.
So Steven went with us this time. And we were
walking up.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And down and Stephen is my son, Yeah, is six,
and so we want to take away with you.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So he's a man, he's he's a man. And we
were walking up and down the streets of a red
light district and uh, you know it's kind of nervous, right,
I mean, you know, it's like it's you know, there's
no necessarily like no danger or anything. But but you know,
when when you're around that environment, it's just.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So dark into an evil place.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, an evil place. It's just really dark. It feels
heavy and it and it's just you know, it's just
kind of you know, yucky or whatever. And uh but
uh but but you know, but basically, uh, Jeff Jones,
who's the founder of Transferring One, had spent the entire dinner,
like two hours of us just sitting there just coaching
(21:44):
Steven how to behave, what to say, what not to say,
where to look, what not we're not to look, how
to walk, you know, what to do? Right, I mean
it was just so unbelievably intentional coaching and I remember
thinking to myself, man, I am I am leap years
away from knowing half of that, right, Like I could
never ever survive right without that. All that to say,
(22:06):
what you're saying is, you know, going out two by two,
that's the way to do it, right. So this is
a great model for ministry, is what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Plan ahead, figure out how to maximize the momentum. Yeah,
go in pairs and in teams, all those things. And
then he says, you know, I'm you need to pray
that God sends more workers. The harvest is ready. The
problem is if you don't have enough people to be
able to harvest it all, a lot of us going
to get wasted. That's the issue. So the harvest is ready,
you need to be praying, and we pray all the time.
God send us more workers, Send us more people so
(22:37):
that we can go out in the field and reach
more people.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
For you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
His desire is a greater harvest, not a lesser harvest.
His desire isn't just go get what you can get.
He says, go get what you can get. Go in
a team, get as much as the two of you
can get, and then pray that God sends a whole
bunch more of you because we need more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So God's not just satisfied with oh, well, I did
the best I could. God says, let's find every way
to get as many as we can. It's the heartbeat
of my life. I know it is yours as well.
And so then he says, I feel like I'm sending
you like lambs among the wolves.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You guys are so innocent, you just don't even know
what's about to happen. Because wolves eat lambs. Lambs don't
eat wolves, right, so it's going to be difficult. There's
going to be some difficulty there. So then he gives
them some instructions. It saysn't about the money, it's not
about what all you have or how you're traveling with style.
And then he says, instead, go find a person of peace.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And it's amazing to me how often we've been, you know,
we'll wade into a ministry opportunity where we wo feel
like God's asking us to go to a place we
don't know anybody, We're not exactly sure. I remember the
first time we went into Egypt and we were trying
to figure out how to do some stuff in an
area that wasn't going to be super excited about Jesus' stuff.
(23:53):
And on the plane, this young guy and this young
girl come up and they go, are.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You guys Christians? Like yeah, he says, my dad's a pastor.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Turns out probably the only two Christians on the whole
plane is this brother and sister, and they wind up
bringing us to this church. We wind up meeting the dad.
The dad opened up a few doors. It was amazing.
You find this man a piece first, And that's what
Jesus is saying. You find that man of piece, somebody
who's local who can open the door for you rather
than just trying to bust through and all that kind
(24:22):
of stuff. So that's what he tells them to do.
I think it's really a cool, cool way you find
that man of piece.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, I agree. And then it's a shake the dust
off if they reject, if they reject, And so in
that day that was actually it makes a lot of sense. Right,
they had sandals, their feet were always dusty, which is
why they did foot washing. Right, they had all those customs,
and so shaking off the dust symbolically is like saying like, hey, like,
(24:48):
there's no excuse here. You know, Jesus was in person
doing miracles, and Jesus himself said, had these other wicked
cities seen these types of miracles? You guys are spoiled
and don't even know it, right, right, you've seen all
these miracles, and yet you reject me. And so it
sounds harsh what he's saying, right, like, is there going
to be blessing for you? Know? There's not. You know,
(25:08):
you had Jesus Christ himself, God himself in the flesh
doing miracles, preaching the good news, and you rejected him
like that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And then understand, when somebody rejects you, they're not rejecting
your right when they reject your message and not rejecting you.
Jesus literally said, anyone who accepts your message is accepting me,
and anyone who rejects you is rejecting me.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Which is why sometimes I hear you say when you
when you talk about God's word, and it's a hard truth.
You go, I didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I didn't write it exactly. I didn't write it. I'm
just telling you, right, that's great, it's fantastic. Well go
share the gospel with your friends. That's it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Take somebody with you, and then understand if they reject it,
they're not rejecting you as a person, They're rejecting the
message of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah. So this is a great passage that says, hey,
God needs his workers, you know, pray that God would
say people out and and it's dangerous, but find people
of peace, find a ministry partner, and go out and
enjoy God's bless And if.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You're not yet on the team helping make new disciples
and reaching new people, we need you on the team.
Jesus said, we're supposed to be praying that you'd help
us out. Come on help us.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's great. Yeah all right, well, hey, that's a great
place to end and hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on
the Bible guys,
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