September 29, 2025 • 24 mins
Episode 781:
In this episode, Jeff and Chris dive into the theme of "prayers of intercession" as part of their ongoing series on dangerous prayers. They jump into the passage from Luke 18:9-14, which contrasts the humble prayer of a tax collector with the self-righteousness of a Pharisee. Jeff shares his excitement about this passage, noting its relevance and the lessons it imparts about humility and repentance. He emphasizes that Jesus often confronted religious leaders for their attitudes, which could hinder the kingdom of God.
In this episode, Jeff and Chris dive into the theme of "prayers of intercession" as part of their ongoing series on dangerous prayers. They jump into the passage from Luke 18:9-14, which contrasts the humble prayer of a tax collector with the self-righteousness of a Pharisee. Jeff shares his excitement about this passage, noting its relevance and the lessons it imparts about humility and repentance. He emphasizes that Jesus often confronted religious leaders for their attitudes, which could hinder the kingdom of God.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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is Jeff.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It is so good to be back.
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out there there it is.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So, hey, today, Jeff, we are in a series about
dangerous prayers. Of course, yes, but this week we are
starting a theme called prayers of intercession. Yeah great, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
What does the intercession me to intercede, to pray on
behalf of others, or to to to appeal to God
for care and intervention.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, yes, And so anyway, we're gonna start out with
a segment that that Desiree has given to us before,
but she put a little twist on it today. She's
calling it theological taboo.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh okay, yeah, theological taboos things were not allowed to
talk about in theology.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's what it sounds like. That's what sounds but no,
that's not it. It's the game of taboo using theological terms. Okay,
so it is Chris has to describe a bibble concept
without using five forbidden words. So if you're watching as
opposed to just listening, hopefully we're gonna put these five
words on the screen for you and then maybe that
people can race to see if they could get it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, you can't, Okay, So I have to guess the
theological concept, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And do you think that you're better than all our listeners?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't know. I don't know, all right, depends okay, Yeah,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, g whiz. Okay. What is the longest talk called
given by our Savior?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, sermon on the mountain? Boom baby boom, Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was not allowed to say Jesus Mountain, beatitudes, disciples
or Matthew. Yeah, so I said, I said, I said
talk and Savior.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, right, that's pretty savor. That's right.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, all right, and we only have one more.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, man, that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Good, I have one more.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm feeling good about this. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
By the way, do you do you think that our
people are listening? They knew do they do? They know
that absolutely?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, the ones that have been listening to the Bible, guys,
we've talked about the Sermon on the Mountain three times.
Oh yeah, yeah. So these people, the longtimers, they're prepared.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes, yes, don't give them more credit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Chris, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, maybe there's new people. All right, here we go
this next one. Oh, jew wiz. Okay, all right, here
we go. A fancy word for humanity and God coming together.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
A fancy word for humanity and God coming together. Uh,
it's not reconciliation, okay, but it's it's redemption.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah. It happens through the the uh oh positive of
our savior.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The whole positive blood atonement. Yes, that's awesome. The positive
you're just assuming, I'm just assuming.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Actually, oh, negative would have been more appropriate because that's
the universe of blood.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. Oh that's so funny. So the atonement right where
Jesus paid the price with his blood.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, I wasn't about to say sin Jesus blood sacrifice
or Christ.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
That was great, Chris, thank you sir. Well there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yep. All right, So serving on the mount and atonements.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, so that's what were you allowed to say theological
uh well or doctrinal Yeah I I I yeah, you
could have said that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah yeah, yep, well I mean it was it is
called theological taboo. I thought that was a givet okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So that's fun, all right, there you go, and the
King of the World.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, hey, you know what us is fun? The tax
Collector's humble cry contracted with the Pharisees pride.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, because that's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
That's the title of the Desert gave us.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, that's that's the title.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
All right, that is that's going to be fun. Well
in Luke chapter eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Because you've been out for a spell, yes, you know,
and we have maybe a few extra minutes because that
was a quick segment. Maybe give us an update as
to what you've been doing across the country.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Just taking naps. Yeah, no, Well where have I been, so,
I guess around the world. Yeah, yeah, I was in Mexico, yep,
working with some church planters down there. There's a tremendous
new church planting movement that's beginning in Mexico. It's just phenomenal.
And so we were in Mexico City and the surrounding areas,
(04:52):
and then I was home for a day and preached
on Sunday, yep. And then went to Egypt and we
are working with some disciple makers there and introduced the
idea to about eighty new pastors that are looking to
launch in the next year. And so we're thinking this
is going to be hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of
(05:13):
people that will be being trained as a result. So
we're so excited about that. And then I had just
my wife went with me and we went with a
board member and his wife and so we ran around
Egypt for a few days. And that's just did all
the things work hard, play hard? Yeah. Yeah. So we
went and saw King Tut's tomb and King Tuts in
the tomb, you know, and we we did a bunch
of hikes and saw Stella's and we saw the pyramids,
(05:37):
and we rowed a boat on the Nile River and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So want to get to go on the pyramid?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah. And then we also took a balloon
ride over the Valley of the Kings. Yeah yeah, we
did a balloon ride over the Valley of the Kings.
It was pretty good. So yeah, that was pretty neat.
It was. It was great, and we stayed. You know
what we did is we stayed in three hotels, one
in Oswan, one in Luxor, and one in Cairo, all
three of them. Howard Carter, he's the discoverer of King
(06:04):
tut He stayed in those. Winston Churchill stayed in those hotels,
and so did Agatha Christie in Aswan. Old Cataract Hotel
is where Agatha Christie wrote Death on the Nile and
so they were these old, classic nineteen thirties colonial type
hotels were phenomenal. That was so much fun. So yeah,
that's what we did. And then I got back preached
(06:26):
six times over the weekend. Yeah, because we just launched
new Saturday services. Yes, and then I had to go
to a board meeting in Raleigh yesterday today or last
two days. So yeah, yeah, it's good to be back.
It's it's been I've been gone thirty five out of
the last forty five days.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I know it's been brutal, but this is the end.
It's just how it all stacked up. You know, our
little vacation thing kind of got squeezed between a bunch
of other ministry trips. So yeah, yeah, it's good, but
it's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. So with Kyle, which was I guess two weeks ago,
I was trying to reference the timoth the initiative website.
We were making jokes because I never looked it up.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was like, t TI dot com and he goes,
is that what it is? And like, I don't know
what is it?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
T t I online? Oh, t online dot org, dot org. Okay,
it's the worst. There's almost every almost every letter combination
has been bought up, and then it's worth thousands of dollars,
you know, to be able to buy those. So yeah,
t t I online dot org. That's what we are.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, very good, all right, very cool. So hey, that
is our time for that segment and update obviously, so
let us move on to Luke Chapter eighteen, verses nine
through fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So this is one of my favorite passages. If you
were wondering, that's hilarious because I think it's kind of
you and me praying in the temple is how this goes?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
By the way, when you said that on Sunday, Wilson
was listening to the eight thirty service because he spoke
at Stony, which is two of our campuses, and and
you were giving me a hard time. You're like, it's
because I love the Bible. Chris. Yeah, he's a Chris
doesn't love the Bible. And Wilson was feeling for me
on the other end. He goes, stop making fun of Chris,
and I was like, and he goes, he goes. He
(08:11):
was like, he did like one comment too many, and
I go, I go, dude, I go listen to the Bible, guys.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's always one comment to you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I said, listen to the Bible, guys. I guess
is like a regular thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, so our listeners may not know this. About ten
years ago, you did a roast for me before he
ever came on.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So Mercy, and it's still one of the best things
I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It was twenty eight minutes of full on brutality, right,
which which I love roasts anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, but that was that was hot.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But the idea of a roast is you tell a
shocking joke and then you up it, and then you
go where nobody believes you're going to go, right, So
it's like three levels. So it's always one or two
jokes too many. Yeah, it's just the nature of our friendship.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You think I accomplish that, Oh you sure did.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I'm still sore from it. It's just body blow after
body bar ten years ago. It was so fun, But
that's kind of the nature of our friendship. Is just
one maybe one joke too many.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Most of the time. So that's funny. Anyways, here we
go and Matthew eighteen verse nine, it says, then Jesus
told this story to some who had great confidence in
their own righteousness and scorned everyone else. Oh wow, here's
what it says. Two men went to the temple to pray,
and one was a pharisee and the other was a
despised tax collector. The pharisee stood by himself and prayed
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this prayer. I thank you God that I'm not like
other people cheaters and sinners and adulterers. I'm certainly not
like that tax collector. I fast twice a week, and
I give you a tenth of my income. But the
tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even
lift his eyes to Heaven as he prayed. Instead, he
beat his chest and sorrow, saying, Oh God, be merciful
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to me, for I am a sinner. I tell you
this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God.
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those
who humble themselves will be exalted. That's one of the
coolest stories Jesus told.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah I believe, so, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
By the way, are you reading NIV.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I was reading n LT.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you sure about that? M m yes, Well that
is not what lines up for me, and this is NLT.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, So look, so it's probably a different revision, so
that they've updated the NLT a couple of times. Okay, yeah,
what is your say?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Like? For instance, look at like verse eleven, it says
the pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer. I
thank you God that I am not a sinner like
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh wo.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
For I don't cheat, I don't sin, and I don't
commit adultery. I'm certainly not like that text collector.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, So it's probably the difference
between the version the revision you have and the revision
I have.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
They revised it a couple of times for readability. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So either way, the translation is extremely close and I
wonder which version was on the screen. I don't know.
But anyway, this this is a it's an interesting thing
I think when when you think about like some of
the only I don't want to categorize it just to Pharisees,
(11:15):
it's it's it's like, it's like one of the major
things that Jesus focused on was how religious people can
hinder the Kingdom of God. Right, it was like it
was like like religiosity or self righteousness, thinking that you're
you know, and and by the way, even well intentioned people, right,
(11:37):
don't you because you give I've made this comment before.
You you give the Pharisees more credit than I do.
And you said, hey, they're only doing what they were
taught was right, right, Like they they were believing that
they were doing good right, and.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So they were mastering what they were told was the
right way to live.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right. And so whereas I'm just like I think that
you know, they I see them more as abusive sort
of people. But either way, you know, because you know,
Jesus did say, you know bunch of times. But uh,
and obviously you know I have a angst against people
religious abusive people. But anyway, the bottom line is it
doesn't matter. The point is is that Jesus spent his
(12:16):
time uncovering even well intentioned people who who can sort
of leverage religiosity or the rules, trying to do what's
right in a bad way. Yeah, and and uh and
and and he and he often did it. I would
I would argue and say it was the thing that
he sort of did the most right, Like he sort
(12:37):
of preached against that idea, maybe more than any other idea.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, he confronted them more than he confronted anybody else.
I think he preached more about the Kingdom of God
than he did about bad guys.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm not
talking about this good stuff. I'm talking about the thing
that he stuffs.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah against Yeah yeah. He points out that
these guys aren't aren't great. So here's the thing. The
Pharisees were one group. It would be like Republicans and Democrats.
It would be like Baptists and Methodists, it would be
Catholics and Lutherans kind of a thing. There were Pharisees,
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and there were Sadducees, and then you had the priests.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The Saducees were sad.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, because they didn't believe in a resurrection. They didn't
believe in resurrection or miracles. So what you had is
you had the Pharisees that believed in the importance of
the law and of keeping every element of the law,
and they were looking forward to eternity. The Sadducees didn't
believe in eternity, and they felt like the faith of
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their people was more about connecting with God and making
your life better here on earth and maintaining their cultural identity, right,
those are two big things. And so they made up
sort of the religious rabbi class, the teacher class, and
then you had the priests who made up the priestly class.
And then what you had in the Sanhedron, which was
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their supreme court. You had a mix of the priestly
class and then these rabbi class. They would then be
voted onto their supreme court. So the reality is a
generic Pharisee didn't have a lot of power. So people say, oh,
they were so abusive. Some were. They just had a
lot of influence. Different between power and influence. Their influence
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was oh, shame on you, right, you should be more
like us, and they go snap slap people on the
wrist and that kind of thing. But it was so oppression.
I don't know that it was there, just shame. They
were like the shame class. They were the group. They
just wanted to say, shame on you, shame on you,
shame and you you should be more like us. And
I think that that's where Jesus got frustrated with them.
(14:50):
They were tithing ten percent of his incomes, the right
thing to do, right, Jesus says, at one point, you
tie even on your table Dylan, Yeah yeah, yeah, spicy, yes,
cinnamon and all that kind of stuff, all your spicy,
your table spices, he says, And you should just don't
forget the bigger things of God's loss.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The weightier matter.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah yeah. And so Jesus commends them on occasion for
the lifestyle. He always judges them for the attitude. That's it.
He never says, oh you should you know, you shouldn't
be so holy. He never says you shouldn't be so pure.
He never says that. So he does not tear down
their holiness. He tears down their attitude about it. Look
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how good I am? Like somehow they they're earning their
way to heaven. And so that's the lesson that you're
getting here. He's not mad at this guy over the
fact that he's not a cheater, not a public center,
not an adulterer, and that he's a tier. Jesus isn't
madam about that thing. Right, So you never find Jesus
tearing them down for the lifestyle. He tears them down.
(15:52):
He goes after them over their attitude that they're somehow
superior than other people.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's how it starts, doesn't that right.
It actually says Jesus told this story to a group
of people who had great confidence in their own righteousness
and scorned everybody else. And that's really the abuse that
I'm talking about. It's the it's the scorning of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And and uh, which is the dud between you and me?
So I you have wu right. So so for our
listeners and strengths finders for personality types, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Which, by the way, we have a lot of the
same stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah we do. Almost all of them are the same.
There is a difference, and the one is so winning
others over the the human connection between you. It's why
people love you so much, is you make this really
deep human some most most people love you, Okay, I'll
take it. Yeah, yeah, And it's because you make this
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deep human connection. And so I think that there's a
lot of empathy and all those things in you. I
have self assurance, so the wu you win others over,
but you also really want people to like you, right,
that that's a big part of it. Whereas I have
self assurance, and so I'm not needing people to like me,
or don't even really care if they like me. I
just need them to do what they need to do.
And so I think that that's probably the difference in
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the way that we view the Pharisees. This idea. In
my mind, scorning somebody, I don't care. I don't give
a rip if you scorn me. What do I care
what you think about me?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Whereas I think you're way more in tune with most people.
I think you're so much more in tune with from
an empathetic standpoint of the weight and the embarrassment of
being scorned, especially because they're highlighting the fact that, look,
how great I am, meaning that text collector guy probably
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does cheat, and that text collector guy doesn't fast, so
he knows what he should be doing, he's not doing it,
and he knows what he's not supposed to do and
he is doing it. But look how good I am. Oh,
look how bad you are? Right? Yeah, And I think
it's just the big empathy empathy that you have that
just makes you resent that attitude so much more.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I think everything you're saying is true. But the reason
why I'm mad is not the emotional part of in
the moment, actually not even close that maybe five percent
of it. Ninety five percent of it are the spiritual
implications and the damage that it does. Right. So, like
I told that story when you were gone, you were
out of town, and I said, I said to Kyle,
and you already know the story, I said, I said.
(18:15):
One of the worst stories I've ever heard in my
entire life, ever, is is a story that one of
our staff members said that her pastor was by the
door and some kid came up with long hair in
the seventies and and he said, you're not coming into
my church with that hair. With that hair, he goes
go get a haircut, come back, I said, I said,
for all for all that pastors, that guy could have
walked away and and spend eternity in hell because of him, right,
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So that is ninety five percent why I get agree.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So there is a difference though, between what the Pharisees
were trying to accomplish and what Christian pastors are supposed
to accomplishing. Pharisees weren't Christians, right, So they were trying
to keep the temple holy, they were trying to keep
society holy. They're their purpose was different from what a
Christian pastor's issue should be, right, So.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Which makes me twice as mad of the pharaceutical Christians today.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, well, that's where it really gets is when you
take what is a person who's saved by grace who's
still trying to apply phariseical principles. I think the Pharisees,
we're doing what the Pharisees are supposed to do, it
just had a bad attitude about it. Whereas now what
we have is we have a lot of Christians who
also want to apply phariseical pressure and scorn on other
people when we're all just sinners saved by Grace. Right,
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So that's not a license to keep going and sinning, right, right,
we should be fasting. We're going to talk about that
in a couple of weeks. Yes, right here to church.
We should be tithing. We we shouldn't be cheaters, we
shouldn't be committing adultery, we shouldn't be living in public sin,
those things we shouldn't be doing. It's just we shouldn't
be prideful about the fact that we're so good about
you know, so good. Yeah, and look down on people
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who are struggling. So Jesus says in another place, the
church is a hospital for sinners.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Right right, not a health club for saints.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, or a museum for saints.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, yeah, a museum museums good.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The uh I love the idea that this guy who's
a tax collector recognizes uh all you know the Adit
it encapsulates the attitude that is encouraging to us. Like
God encourages us to be humble, He encourages us to
recognize our depravity, encourages us to recognize He is God.
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We are not. If he is I am, that makes
us I am not right, it's it's the idea that great.
Oh that's deep, Chris, is that I am then.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
To be honest.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And that wasn't my original thought. That's Luke Giglio. But
The whole point is is that, uh, uh, you know,
here's this guy, he's he's uh you know. Obviously tax
collectors were despised because they were Jewish people who are
betraying their own kind for wealth, right, working for the Romans.
And so here's this guy who's despised by just about everybody.
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But he knows it, and he knows that he's not,
you know, a good person, and so therefore he walks out.
What does Jesus say? He says, he walked out. I
tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified
before God. So true repentance. Right. So so again you're right,
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God's not encouraging tax collector behavior. Right, But God is saying, hey,
guess what when it comes down to repentance, self righteousness
over true repentance, the true repentance is is the is
the answer.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Nailed it?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He nailed it.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yep, well you nailed it. So here's the note in
the Life Application Study Bible, which which I love. It
says the Pharisee went to the temple not to pray
to God, but to announce to all within earshot how
good he was.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Right, So even even a level up right.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, hey everybody, just so you know, thanks you that
I'm so good. It's right. It says the pharisee stood
by himself and prayed this prayer, right, and he prays
it out loud so he can hear it. And then
it says the tax collector went recognizing his sin and
begging from mercy. So the tax collector was not saying
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was not expecting God to just overlook his sin. He
was begging for mercy for his sin. He beats himself
on the chest. He doesn't even dare to look lift
his eyes to heaven, and he says, instead, Oh, God,
be merciful to me, for I'm a sinner. He's confessing
his sin there, and so it says self righteousness is dangerous.
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It leads to pride, causes a person to despise others,
and prevents that person from learning anything from God. The
tax collector's prayer should be our prayer because we all
need God's mercy every day. Don't let pride in your
achievements cut you off from God, all right, So that's
really the He's not making a determination or a point
about their lifestyles. He's making a point about their intent
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with how they're engaging with God. The pharisee thinks, I
deserve to be recognized by God because I've been working
really hard at being a good boy. And the tax
collector just beats his chest and says, God, have mercy.
I mean, I have no hope if you don't give
me mercy. Right, And that is I think the real
essence of repentance is and repentance is necessary for salvation.
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Peter says, right, and Paul, both of them talk about
this idea of repenting turning from our sin. We were
going our own way, and we have to turn from
our sins. So it's interesting a religious guy actually winds
up going his own way. Look how good I am,
and he never gets justified by God, he never gets forgiveness.
And the sinner comes and he repents and says, have
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mercy on me because I'm such a sinner. And Jesus says,
that's the guy who left justified. That's the guy. The
word justified literally means God makes us just as if
I'd never sinned, right, That's what it means. So the
good guy leaves still dirty on the inside. The bad
guy leaves made just as if he'd never sinned.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and that's a definition of grace. It's the unmerited
favor of God. So it's so powerful, man, Yeah, it's
super powerful. So hey, just one last note before we
sign off, and that is if you're a person who
feels like you're unworthy, then you're in good company because
all of us are sinners. And so if we just
(24:16):
have a true repentant heart, we too can get mercy
and grace from God if we just turn away from
our sins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
The prayer of this this tax collector, Oh God be
merciful to me for I'm a sinner. It's great place
your faith and trust in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, that's our time, so hey, we will see you
hopefully tomorrow on the Bible.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Guys,
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It is so good to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
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We are. We are the Bible Guys dot com. By
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So, hey, today, Jeff, we are in a series about
dangerous prayers. Of course, yes, but this week we are
starting a theme called prayers of intercession. Yeah great, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
What does the intercession me to intercede, to pray on
behalf of others, or to to to appeal to God
for care and intervention.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, yes, And so anyway, we're gonna start out with
a segment that that Desiree has given to us before,
but she put a little twist on it today. She's
calling it theological taboo.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh okay, yeah, theological taboos things were not allowed to
talk about in theology.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's what it sounds like. That's what sounds but no,
that's not it. It's the game of taboo using theological terms. Okay,
so it is Chris has to describe a bibble concept
without using five forbidden words. So if you're watching as
opposed to just listening, hopefully we're gonna put these five
words on the screen for you and then maybe that
people can race to see if they could get it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, you can't, Okay, So I have to guess the
theological concept, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And do you think that you're better than all our listeners?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I don't know. I don't know, all right, depends okay, Yeah,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, g whiz. Okay. What is the longest talk called
given by our Savior?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, sermon on the mountain? Boom baby boom, Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was not allowed to say Jesus Mountain, beatitudes, disciples
or Matthew. Yeah, so I said, I said, I said
talk and Savior.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, right, that's pretty savor. That's right.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, all right, and we only have one more.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, man, that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Good, I have one more.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm feeling good about this. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
By the way, do you do you think that our
people are listening? They knew do they do? They know
that absolutely?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, the ones that have been listening to the Bible, guys,
we've talked about the Sermon on the Mountain three times.
Oh yeah, yeah. So these people, the longtimers, they're prepared.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes, yes, don't give them more credit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Chris, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, maybe there's new people. All right, here we go
this next one. Oh, jew wiz. Okay, all right, here
we go. A fancy word for humanity and God coming together.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
A fancy word for humanity and God coming together. Uh,
it's not reconciliation, okay, but it's it's redemption.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah. It happens through the the uh oh positive of
our savior.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The whole positive blood atonement. Yes, that's awesome. The positive
you're just assuming, I'm just assuming.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Actually, oh, negative would have been more appropriate because that's
the universe of blood.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. Oh that's so funny. So the atonement right where
Jesus paid the price with his blood.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, I wasn't about to say sin Jesus blood sacrifice
or Christ.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
That was great, Chris, thank you sir. Well there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yep. All right, So serving on the mount and atonements.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, so that's what were you allowed to say theological
uh well or doctrinal Yeah I I I yeah, you
could have said that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah yeah, yep, well I mean it was it is
called theological taboo. I thought that was a givet okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So that's fun, all right, there you go, and the
King of the World.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, hey, you know what us is fun? The tax
Collector's humble cry contracted with the Pharisees pride.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, because that's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
That's the title of the Desert gave us.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Okay, that's that's the title.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
All right, that is that's going to be fun. Well
in Luke chapter eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Because you've been out for a spell, yes, you know,
and we have maybe a few extra minutes because that
was a quick segment. Maybe give us an update as
to what you've been doing across the country.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Just taking naps. Yeah, no, Well where have I been, so,
I guess around the world. Yeah, yeah, I was in Mexico, yep,
working with some church planters down there. There's a tremendous
new church planting movement that's beginning in Mexico. It's just phenomenal.
And so we were in Mexico City and the surrounding areas,
(04:52):
and then I was home for a day and preached
on Sunday, yep. And then went to Egypt and we
are working with some disciple makers there and introduced the
idea to about eighty new pastors that are looking to
launch in the next year. And so we're thinking this
is going to be hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of
(05:13):
people that will be being trained as a result. So
we're so excited about that. And then I had just
my wife went with me and we went with a
board member and his wife and so we ran around
Egypt for a few days. And that's just did all
the things work hard, play hard? Yeah. Yeah. So we
went and saw King Tut's tomb and King Tuts in
the tomb, you know, and we we did a bunch
of hikes and saw Stella's and we saw the pyramids,
(05:37):
and we rowed a boat on the Nile River and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So want to get to go on the pyramid?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah. And then we also took a balloon
ride over the Valley of the Kings. Yeah yeah, we
did a balloon ride over the Valley of the Kings.
It was pretty good. So yeah, that was pretty neat.
It was. It was great, and we stayed. You know
what we did is we stayed in three hotels, one
in Oswan, one in Luxor, and one in Cairo, all
three of them. Howard Carter, he's the discoverer of King
(06:04):
tut He stayed in those. Winston Churchill stayed in those hotels,
and so did Agatha Christie in Aswan. Old Cataract Hotel
is where Agatha Christie wrote Death on the Nile and
so they were these old, classic nineteen thirties colonial type
hotels were phenomenal. That was so much fun. So yeah,
that's what we did. And then I got back preached
(06:26):
six times over the weekend. Yeah, because we just launched
new Saturday services. Yes, and then I had to go
to a board meeting in Raleigh yesterday today or last
two days. So yeah, yeah, it's good to be back.
It's it's been I've been gone thirty five out of
the last forty five days.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I know it's been brutal, but this is the end.
It's just how it all stacked up. You know, our
little vacation thing kind of got squeezed between a bunch
of other ministry trips. So yeah, yeah, it's good, but
it's good to be back.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. So with Kyle, which was I guess two weeks ago,
I was trying to reference the timoth the initiative website.
We were making jokes because I never looked it up.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was like, t TI dot com and he goes,
is that what it is? And like, I don't know
what is it?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
T t I online? Oh, t online dot org, dot org. Okay,
it's the worst. There's almost every almost every letter combination
has been bought up, and then it's worth thousands of dollars,
you know, to be able to buy those. So yeah,
t t I online dot org. That's what we are.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, very good, all right, very cool. So hey, that
is our time for that segment and update obviously, so
let us move on to Luke Chapter eighteen, verses nine
through fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So this is one of my favorite passages. If you
were wondering, that's hilarious because I think it's kind of
you and me praying in the temple is how this goes?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
By the way, when you said that on Sunday, Wilson
was listening to the eight thirty service because he spoke
at Stony, which is two of our campuses, and and
you were giving me a hard time. You're like, it's
because I love the Bible. Chris. Yeah, he's a Chris
doesn't love the Bible. And Wilson was feeling for me
on the other end. He goes, stop making fun of Chris,
and I was like, and he goes, he goes. He
(08:11):
was like, he did like one comment too many, and
I go, I go, dude, I go listen to the Bible, guys.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's always one comment to you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I said, listen to the Bible, guys. I guess
is like a regular thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, so our listeners may not know this. About ten
years ago, you did a roast for me before he
ever came on.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So Mercy, and it's still one of the best things
I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It was twenty eight minutes of full on brutality, right,
which which I love roasts anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, but that was that was hot.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But the idea of a roast is you tell a
shocking joke and then you up it, and then you
go where nobody believes you're going to go, right, So
it's like three levels. So it's always one or two
jokes too many. Yeah, it's just the nature of our friendship.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You think I accomplish that, Oh you sure did.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I'm still sore from it. It's just body blow after
body bar ten years ago. It was so fun, But
that's kind of the nature of our friendship. Is just
one maybe one joke too many.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Most of the time. So that's funny. Anyways, here we
go and Matthew eighteen verse nine, it says, then Jesus
told this story to some who had great confidence in
their own righteousness and scorned everyone else. Oh wow, here's
what it says. Two men went to the temple to pray,
and one was a pharisee and the other was a
despised tax collector. The pharisee stood by himself and prayed
(09:30):
this prayer. I thank you God that I'm not like
other people cheaters and sinners and adulterers. I'm certainly not
like that tax collector. I fast twice a week, and
I give you a tenth of my income. But the
tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even
lift his eyes to Heaven as he prayed. Instead, he
beat his chest and sorrow, saying, Oh God, be merciful
(09:51):
to me, for I am a sinner. I tell you
this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God.
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those
who humble themselves will be exalted. That's one of the
coolest stories Jesus told.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah I believe, so, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
By the way, are you reading NIV.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I was reading n LT.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you sure about that? M m yes, Well that
is not what lines up for me, and this is NLT.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, So look, so it's probably a different revision, so
that they've updated the NLT a couple of times. Okay, yeah,
what is your say?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Like? For instance, look at like verse eleven, it says
the pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer. I
thank you God that I am not a sinner like
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh wo.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
For I don't cheat, I don't sin, and I don't
commit adultery. I'm certainly not like that text collector.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, So it's probably the difference
between the version the revision you have and the revision
I have.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
They revised it a couple of times for readability. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So either way, the translation is extremely close and I
wonder which version was on the screen. I don't know.
But anyway, this this is a it's an interesting thing
I think when when you think about like some of
the only I don't want to categorize it just to Pharisees,
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it's it's it's like, it's like one of the major
things that Jesus focused on was how religious people can
hinder the Kingdom of God. Right, it was like it
was like like religiosity or self righteousness, thinking that you're
you know, and and by the way, even well intentioned people, right,
(11:37):
don't you because you give I've made this comment before.
You you give the Pharisees more credit than I do.
And you said, hey, they're only doing what they were
taught was right, right, Like they they were believing that
they were doing good right, and.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So they were mastering what they were told was the
right way to live.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Right. And so whereas I'm just like I think that
you know, they I see them more as abusive sort
of people. But either way, you know, because you know,
Jesus did say, you know bunch of times. But uh,
and obviously you know I have a angst against people
religious abusive people. But anyway, the bottom line is it
doesn't matter. The point is is that Jesus spent his
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time uncovering even well intentioned people who who can sort
of leverage religiosity or the rules, trying to do what's
right in a bad way. Yeah, and and uh and
and and he and he often did it. I would
I would argue and say it was the thing that
he sort of did the most right, Like he sort
(12:37):
of preached against that idea, maybe more than any other idea.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, he confronted them more than he confronted anybody else.
I think he preached more about the Kingdom of God
than he did about bad guys.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not saying I'm not
talking about this good stuff. I'm talking about the thing
that he stuffs.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah against Yeah yeah. He points out that
these guys aren't aren't great. So here's the thing. The
Pharisees were one group. It would be like Republicans and Democrats.
It would be like Baptists and Methodists, it would be
Catholics and Lutherans kind of a thing. There were Pharisees,
(13:19):
and there were Sadducees, and then you had the priests.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The Saducees were sad.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, because they didn't believe in a resurrection. They didn't
believe in resurrection or miracles. So what you had is
you had the Pharisees that believed in the importance of
the law and of keeping every element of the law,
and they were looking forward to eternity. The Sadducees didn't
believe in eternity, and they felt like the faith of
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their people was more about connecting with God and making
your life better here on earth and maintaining their cultural identity, right,
those are two big things. And so they made up
sort of the religious rabbi class, the teacher class, and
then you had the priests who made up the priestly class.
And then what you had in the Sanhedron, which was
(14:09):
their supreme court. You had a mix of the priestly
class and then these rabbi class. They would then be
voted onto their supreme court. So the reality is a
generic Pharisee didn't have a lot of power. So people say, oh,
they were so abusive. Some were. They just had a
lot of influence. Different between power and influence. Their influence
(14:29):
was oh, shame on you, right, you should be more
like us, and they go snap slap people on the
wrist and that kind of thing. But it was so oppression.
I don't know that it was there, just shame. They
were like the shame class. They were the group. They
just wanted to say, shame on you, shame on you,
shame and you you should be more like us. And
I think that that's where Jesus got frustrated with them.
(14:50):
They were tithing ten percent of his incomes, the right
thing to do, right, Jesus says, at one point, you
tie even on your table Dylan, Yeah yeah, yeah, spicy, yes,
cinnamon and all that kind of stuff, all your spicy,
your table spices, he says, And you should just don't
forget the bigger things of God's loss.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The weightier matter.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah yeah. And so Jesus commends them on occasion for
the lifestyle. He always judges them for the attitude. That's it.
He never says, oh you should you know, you shouldn't
be so holy. He never says you shouldn't be so pure.
He never says that. So he does not tear down
their holiness. He tears down their attitude about it. Look
(15:32):
how good I am? Like somehow they they're earning their
way to heaven. And so that's the lesson that you're
getting here. He's not mad at this guy over the
fact that he's not a cheater, not a public center,
not an adulterer, and that he's a tier. Jesus isn't
madam about that thing. Right, So you never find Jesus
tearing them down for the lifestyle. He tears them down.
(15:52):
He goes after them over their attitude that they're somehow
superior than other people.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's how it starts, doesn't that right.
It actually says Jesus told this story to a group
of people who had great confidence in their own righteousness
and scorned everybody else. And that's really the abuse that
I'm talking about. It's the it's the scorning of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And and uh, which is the dud between you and me?
So I you have wu right. So so for our
listeners and strengths finders for personality types, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Which, by the way, we have a lot of the
same stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah we do. Almost all of them are the same.
There is a difference, and the one is so winning
others over the the human connection between you. It's why
people love you so much, is you make this really
deep human some most most people love you, Okay, I'll
take it. Yeah, yeah, And it's because you make this
(16:43):
deep human connection. And so I think that there's a
lot of empathy and all those things in you. I
have self assurance, so the wu you win others over,
but you also really want people to like you, right,
that that's a big part of it. Whereas I have
self assurance, and so I'm not needing people to like me,
or don't even really care if they like me. I
just need them to do what they need to do.
And so I think that that's probably the difference in
(17:06):
the way that we view the Pharisees. This idea. In
my mind, scorning somebody, I don't care. I don't give
a rip if you scorn me. What do I care
what you think about me?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Whereas I think you're way more in tune with most people.
I think you're so much more in tune with from
an empathetic standpoint of the weight and the embarrassment of
being scorned, especially because they're highlighting the fact that, look,
how great I am, meaning that text collector guy probably
(17:37):
does cheat, and that text collector guy doesn't fast, so
he knows what he should be doing, he's not doing it,
and he knows what he's not supposed to do and
he is doing it. But look how good I am. Oh,
look how bad you are? Right? Yeah, And I think
it's just the big empathy empathy that you have that
just makes you resent that attitude so much more.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I think everything you're saying is true. But the reason
why I'm mad is not the emotional part of in
the moment, actually not even close that maybe five percent
of it. Ninety five percent of it are the spiritual
implications and the damage that it does. Right. So, like
I told that story when you were gone, you were
out of town, and I said, I said to Kyle,
and you already know the story, I said, I said.
(18:15):
One of the worst stories I've ever heard in my
entire life, ever, is is a story that one of
our staff members said that her pastor was by the
door and some kid came up with long hair in
the seventies and and he said, you're not coming into
my church with that hair. With that hair, he goes
go get a haircut, come back, I said, I said,
for all for all that pastors, that guy could have
walked away and and spend eternity in hell because of him, right,
(18:40):
So that is ninety five percent why I get agree.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So there is a difference though, between what the Pharisees
were trying to accomplish and what Christian pastors are supposed
to accomplishing. Pharisees weren't Christians, right, So they were trying
to keep the temple holy, they were trying to keep
society holy. They're their purpose was different from what a
Christian pastor's issue should be, right, So.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Which makes me twice as mad of the pharaceutical Christians today.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, well, that's where it really gets is when you
take what is a person who's saved by grace who's
still trying to apply phariseical principles. I think the Pharisees,
we're doing what the Pharisees are supposed to do, it
just had a bad attitude about it. Whereas now what
we have is we have a lot of Christians who
also want to apply phariseical pressure and scorn on other
people when we're all just sinners saved by Grace. Right,
(19:25):
So that's not a license to keep going and sinning, right, right,
we should be fasting. We're going to talk about that
in a couple of weeks. Yes, right here to church.
We should be tithing. We we shouldn't be cheaters, we
shouldn't be committing adultery, we shouldn't be living in public sin,
those things we shouldn't be doing. It's just we shouldn't
be prideful about the fact that we're so good about
you know, so good. Yeah, and look down on people
(19:47):
who are struggling. So Jesus says in another place, the
church is a hospital for sinners.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Right right, not a health club for saints.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, or a museum for saints.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, yeah, a museum museums good.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The uh I love the idea that this guy who's
a tax collector recognizes uh all you know the Adit
it encapsulates the attitude that is encouraging to us. Like
God encourages us to be humble, He encourages us to
recognize our depravity, encourages us to recognize He is God.
(20:19):
We are not. If he is I am, that makes
us I am not right, it's it's the idea that great.
Oh that's deep, Chris, is that I am then.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
To be honest.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And that wasn't my original thought. That's Luke Giglio. But
The whole point is is that, uh, uh, you know,
here's this guy, he's he's uh you know. Obviously tax
collectors were despised because they were Jewish people who are
betraying their own kind for wealth, right, working for the Romans.
And so here's this guy who's despised by just about everybody.
(20:51):
But he knows it, and he knows that he's not,
you know, a good person, and so therefore he walks out.
What does Jesus say? He says, he walked out. I
tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified
before God. So true repentance. Right. So so again you're right,
(21:12):
God's not encouraging tax collector behavior. Right, But God is saying, hey,
guess what when it comes down to repentance, self righteousness
over true repentance, the true repentance is is the is
the answer.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Nailed it?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He nailed it.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yep, well you nailed it. So here's the note in
the Life Application Study Bible, which which I love. It
says the Pharisee went to the temple not to pray
to God, but to announce to all within earshot how
good he was.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Right, So even even a level up right.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, hey everybody, just so you know, thanks you that
I'm so good. It's right. It says the pharisee stood
by himself and prayed this prayer, right, and he prays
it out loud so he can hear it. And then
it says the tax collector went recognizing his sin and
begging from mercy. So the tax collector was not saying
(22:07):
was not expecting God to just overlook his sin. He
was begging for mercy for his sin. He beats himself
on the chest. He doesn't even dare to look lift
his eyes to heaven, and he says, instead, Oh, God,
be merciful to me, for I'm a sinner. He's confessing
his sin there, and so it says self righteousness is dangerous.
(22:31):
It leads to pride, causes a person to despise others,
and prevents that person from learning anything from God. The
tax collector's prayer should be our prayer because we all
need God's mercy every day. Don't let pride in your
achievements cut you off from God, all right, So that's
really the He's not making a determination or a point
about their lifestyles. He's making a point about their intent
(22:53):
with how they're engaging with God. The pharisee thinks, I
deserve to be recognized by God because I've been working
really hard at being a good boy. And the tax
collector just beats his chest and says, God, have mercy.
I mean, I have no hope if you don't give
me mercy. Right, And that is I think the real
essence of repentance is and repentance is necessary for salvation.
(23:15):
Peter says, right, and Paul, both of them talk about
this idea of repenting turning from our sin. We were
going our own way, and we have to turn from
our sins. So it's interesting a religious guy actually winds
up going his own way. Look how good I am,
and he never gets justified by God, he never gets forgiveness.
And the sinner comes and he repents and says, have
(23:36):
mercy on me because I'm such a sinner. And Jesus says,
that's the guy who left justified. That's the guy. The
word justified literally means God makes us just as if
I'd never sinned, right, That's what it means. So the
good guy leaves still dirty on the inside. The bad
guy leaves made just as if he'd never sinned.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and that's a definition of grace. It's the unmerited
favor of God. So it's so powerful, man, Yeah, it's
super powerful. So hey, just one last note before we
sign off, and that is if you're a person who
feels like you're unworthy, then you're in good company because
all of us are sinners. And so if we just
(24:16):
have a true repentant heart, we too can get mercy
and grace from God if we just turn away from
our sins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
The prayer of this this tax collector, Oh God be
merciful to me for I'm a sinner. It's great place
your faith and trust in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, that's our time, so hey, we will see you
hopefully tomorrow on the Bible.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Guys,
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