November 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Episode 817:
In this episode, we reflect on the powerful opening verse of Psalm 27: "The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?" This verse sets the tone for our discussion about how God serves as our guiding light and protective fortress in times of trouble. We explore the duality of David's experiences—his constant battles with enemies and his unwavering desire to dwell in the presence of God.
In this episode, we reflect on the powerful opening verse of Psalm 27: "The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?" This verse sets the tone for our discussion about how God serves as our guiding light and protective fortress in times of trouble. We explore the duality of David's experiences—his constant battles with enemies and his unwavering desire to dwell in the presence of God.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible guys. We
are so excited to be with you here today talking
about God's provision and no, no.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's protecting protection. Sorry, it also provides.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well we talked about that last week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's done providing now, it's only protection.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No, no, we're just done talking about provisions. Oh I see, yeah, yeah,
God still protects them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Trying to keep up and a lot of other things
he does a lot of he's a busy guy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Before we dive into that. However, today, because we're in
Psalm chapter twenty seven, today, we have a segment called
Who's most Likely?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh these are fun.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, this is five things. We're going to each read
one and we're just going to pick who is actually
just five things total, right, five things and not each
that's right? And so who's most likely? So you want
to think the.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
First one who's most likely to laugh so hard they
can't finish their sentence? Probably think you do? You do?
I laugh hard? But you laughed to the point where
you've got that smoker's laugh. Yeah you can't. You're exhaling
so hard you can't inhale to finish the sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing is, my entire
life never smoked. Yeah, but I've always had a smoker shot.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And the funny thing is, did you have a rescue
voice when you're a kid?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know what the funny thing is. I would go
back and I would watch because I was a worship
leader for a couple of years too, And I went
back one time and I watched a VHS clip of
me in the nineties and I played it for one
of my worship leaders here, and and my voice did
sound a little less raspy, a little clever, I mean,
I would say, almost considerably. And so I started to wonder,
(01:41):
maybe like I was allergic to cats, because I do
have an allergy to cats, and I've always.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Had can you've got a bunch of cats, Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Not sure my wasted home going. That's not it. That's
not it. It's not the cats.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's just more masculine now than.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, I don't know what it is, but but yeah,
but I listened to these old tapes and yeah, honestly,
my voice was clear or sharply.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, when was the last zac Efron movie watched?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Zach Efron movie?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, why, I would say, I don't know. Maybe
a week ago.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh okay, never mind. I thought, maybe you're just getting
more and more masculine. Oh I see, yeah that's what
I was thinking. But maybe not.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But I watched it by default. I came in and
my kids were watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh, it's their fault.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And then I sat down and joined them.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh, well that's your fault.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So I didn't turn them on. Okay, I didn't turn on.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, here we go, ready, yep, Oh no, it's your turn.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay. Number two, who's most likely to start a fight
over who talks more?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh? You talk more, but I don't talk more. Yes,
you do, dude.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
If you were to take all the words of the Bible, guys,
you would be seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh it's not seventy percent. That's an exaggeration.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, what is it? Sixty five?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Not more than sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And I would say I would also say, in social settings,
I think you talked slightly more. Yeah, but I could.
I could, I could talk.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can hold your own.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing compared to everybody else,
we both talked more than them.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh, we talked more than the whole rest of staff combined.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think so too. Yeah, I think so too. So
it's it's a little unfair for me to say you
talk more than me when I talk way more than
most people.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No. Yeah, well so it just said who's most likely
to start the fight, So I thought i'd start the fight?
Is what happened?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh is that with you?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's exactly?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh you're so clever.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You se what we did? You just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Who's most likely to forget what they were saying? Mid story?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh? Did we just have this?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I do that? I do that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We literally just had this question two weeks ago, did
we Yeah? We literally did, because you said that, Uh
you get bogged down in the details.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And they can'try what the point was. Yeah, yeah, okay,
I remember we've already thought that one and that was
already been established.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yes, yes, okay, Uh, Des really likes that question.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's a great question, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, number four, who's most likely to interrupt the other
one because they get too excited? That's like, that's like
knock knock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking about who interrupting
cal Yeah yeah, so anyway, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm an interrupter.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm sort of an interrupter too. And I have a
confession when when you're gone and we have another guest.
There are loved ones in my life that point out
even though I disagreed and said, why do you interrupt them?
And I said, I don't think I interrupt them, they said, no, no, no,
you need to be more considered because I think you
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interrupt the other person. And it's maybe because I'm trying
to take more of a leader type role when they're here,
I guess, but I've been I've been hold that I
interrupt people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We have such a both of us have lived such
a crazy life, yes, that the two of us can
be in a conversation and you can tell a story about,
you know, a clown robbing a bank and you know
that I knew, yes that you knew he was related
to you, and I'm like, that's nothing, right, And then
we do that. We do that a lot. Well, we're
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constantly oh, no, no, finish your things, because I got this.
I got to do that a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So Brian Reagan talks about that you remember.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, that's nothing you me.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, he says, he goes, he just waits to
your lips to get done. Stop stop with your two
tooth wisdom pulley tail. When he said a parachute him
with a four wisdom tooth story.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's right, that's funny. Okay, So whose turn is it?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Is?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Who's most likely to say this is our best episode
yet every single time?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, that's definitely you. That's me, that's you. It's me, Yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Because I have all my favorite verses and yes, one
of my favorite your favorites, my favorite thing talk about
an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, well maybe, so maybe what does that make me
a pessimist?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know, No, pessimist and enthusiast just means you
like everything, Okay, Pessimist means you tend.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
To have you don't like. Yeah, I guess what's the
opposite of enthusiast?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't know what may maybe I'm just less of
an enthusiast.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well, now you ask me question. I don't have
a brain anymore, so I have to ask gpt of
what would I ask? What's the opposite of an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Wow, look at you adding a little little flair to
the who's most likely seg enthusiist.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's gonna say, what's that you don't know how to spell?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Uh? A skeptic's apathetic, disinterested observer, maybe a wet blanket.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't think I'm a wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, I didn't say it the smartest, the smartest on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Not about me.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It wasn't about kill joy and doomer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah. Okay, first of all, chat chpt does not think
that of me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
This would have said. That's all I'm saying. You said
you are the opposite of an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, you know what we have one minute, Hey, based
on what you know about me, would you consider me
a pessimist or a kill joy or a wet blanket?
Not at all. Based on everything you shared and the
way you communicate, I'd actually say you're the opposite, says
(07:41):
chat Ept. You come across as well. I have to
read it as a thoughtful, curious, creative and real You
like to dig into, meaning, challenge surface level stuff and
look for the why behind things, especially when it comes
to purposes or people's motivations, the kind of depth, depth
that sometimes can be skeptical or analytical, but not pessimism.
(08:02):
It's discernment.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
All right, give me your phone?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What what are you doing? All right, we're already a time.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's okay. Have you ever disagreed with Chris Starba, And
if so, when, I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
In our conversations that suggests you've been called the kill
joy or anything like that. He definitely seemed to have
a genuine curiosity and a positive drive, especially in your
sermons and creative projects. But if you ever feel like
you're being perceived that way, we can definitely explore that more.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
How did you get it to do that?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just pushed the thing to talk. That was the
computer talking to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's it right there. Yeah, okay, that is scary. That
was scary. For the first time, I felt like my
phone was alive.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It is alive. It's alive, and it's listening. Okay, so
you know what else is alive? What the word?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Aya? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, I know we were stopping that some twenty seven.
The Lord is my Light and my salvation is what
we're talking about today. And I hate to do this. Yeah,
but this really is one of my favorite songs we
just talked about. Really, yeah, yeah, it really is. I
love the Psalm twenty seven. You know, I was a
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worship leader for years, and I spent a lot of
time in the Psalms because I wanted to The Bible
says that David was a man after God's own heart.
He wrote most not all, but he wrote most of
the Psalms and if he's a man after God's own heart.
And he also was one of the main worship leaders
in the history of Israel, and he wrote the biggest
worship book in the whole Bible. It's the whole It's
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the biggest book in the Bible. The whole thing is
just worship. Then I thought, okay, I'd like to spend
more time with him, hang out. You know, you become
like the people you hang out with. Sure, So I
spent a lot of time in the Psalms and h
uh some twenty seven is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And you and you found out that he really wants
to run from his enemies a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He's running from his enemies. He's kind of mad at
God by the time. But then he has times like
this and he says, The Lord is my light and
my salvation, So why should I be afraid? The Lord
is my fortress, protecting me from dangers. So why should
I tremble? When evil come to evil, people come to
devour me. When my enemies and foes attack me, they
will stumble and fall. Though a mighty army surrounds me.
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My heart will not be afraid. Even if I'm attacked,
I will remain confident. The one thing I ask of
the Lord, the thing I seek the most, is to
live in the house of the Lord all the days
of my life, delighting in the Lord's perfections and meditating
in his temple. For he will conceal me there. When
troubles come, he will hide me in his sanctuary. He
will place me out of reach on a high rock,
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and then I will hold my head high above my
enemies who surround me. At his sanctuary. I will go
offer sacrifices with shouts of joy, singing and praising the
Lord with music. Hear me as I pray, O, Lord,
be merciful and answer me. My heart has heard you say,
come and talk with me, and my heart responds, Lord,
I'm coming. Do not turn your bad Do not reject
your servant and anger. You've always been my helper. Don't
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leave me now. Don't abandon me, Oh God of my salvation.
Even if my father and mother abandoned me. The Lord
will hold me close, teach me how to live. Oh Lord,
Leave me along the right path, for my enemies are
waiting for me. Do not let me fall into their hands.
For they cause accuse me of things I've never done,
and with every breath they threatened me with violence. Yet
I'm confident I will see the Lord's goodness while I'm
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here in the land of the Living. Wait patiently for
the Lord. Be brave and courageous. Yes, wait patiently for
the Lord. I love it. He's like man all around me.
It seems like everybody's against me, but God's on my side,
and so I just want to spend the rest of
my life with him.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah. So the first six verses the first verses of
when we're concentrating on Yeah, This note in my study
Bible says David didn't close his eyes to the circumstances
around him. Rather, he looked by faith to the Lord
and examined his circumstances from Heaven. From Heaven's point of
view references. He twelve. The Lord was everything he needed,
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just as he has everything we need today. He is
our light, so we need we need not fear darkness.
He has our strength or fortress see Saw eighteen. So
we need not fear because of our weaknesses. He is
our salvation. So the victory is sure. So it said light, fortress, salvation.
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It's great, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, And I already mentioned this right before we started filming.
But there was a guy in my home church that
used to sing the song yeah and so, and he
had this high vibrato and his name was Bob, and
Bob used to sing the song. In fact, it's the
only song I ever heard him sing. And every like
three months or two months, he would just get up
and he grabbed the microphone and I'm like, oh, here
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comes again, this same song. And he used to go,
Lord is my light and my sob.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So anyway, it was a very classical sounding hymn. Yes, yes,
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But you remember that song though the Lord is the
strength of my life. The Lord is the strength of
my life. Yeah. So it's a great song. It's a
great hymn. And uh and uh yeah, I like it
a lot, but when he's saying it, that's all I hear.
So when I read this verse, that's all I hear.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the whole thing. He had this really aggressive through
the whole song, his.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Go tea, his silver go tea, and his uh, peppered hair,
and he towed his head. He towed his head like this.
So that's all I can see. But anyway, but it's
in my head though I know the scripture, right, yes
you do, so it's it's he did his job, that's right.
That's right. Even as a kid, I knew the scripture
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because you know I've mentioned this before, but you know,
memorized versus the songs. Whenever you hear a Bible verse
in a song, always worth singing it and memorizing it, Right,
Did I ever tell you that? Uh? The first day
of Bible College, I memorized the books of the Bible
to this tune of one little two little three little Yeah,
yeah you told me that, and I could and I
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can still sing it today because I I was like,
oht know how I'm gonna memorize this sixty six books
of the Bible, And then I just sort of made
it up. Nobody ever told me, I just made it numbers. Yeah, Dorononymy, Joshua,
Juges Ruth first sing Samuel for sin Kings first, and
tech ink On Nicholas is ry Esther Joe Psalm's proverbs
because yes, he sung as Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremy Lamentations, Ezekiel
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Daniels at Joe. Okay, yeah, so so anyway, yeah, so
I just think that memorizing the scripture is uh, it's
a good thing. It's great.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yep. Yeah, so, uh, I really like this verse thirteen, right,
he says. So he's saying, teach me how to live
in verse eleven, leave me along the right path. So
it's interesting he keeps splitting between I've got enemies all
around me's trying to wipe me out. But God, more
important than that, I want to I want to spend
all my time with you. And at this time, the
temple didn't ex when he wrote this, so there was
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a tabernacle in Gilead where he had built that tabernacle
to house the ark of the Covenant. He was dreaming
of the day we know in First Chronicles he was
always dreaming about building a temple someday for the Lord.
But the Lord said, you don't get to build it.
You're a warrior. Yea, but your son can build it hands. Yes,
but he designed it, he helped design, he helped plan,
he helped and.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do a bazillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he was always dreaming about it.
So I think he's not talking about man. If I
could to spend all my life in church. What he's
saying is God, if I can to spend all my
life in your presence, that's what he wants, right, And I.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Find it interesting how this is only four chapters after
Psalm twenty three that ends that way as well. For
I will live in the House of the Lord forever,
because he says this one thing I asked the Lord,
the thing I seek most is to live in the
House of the Lord all the days of my life,
the letting the Lord's perfections and meditans.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So he's got I've got all these enemies. I just
want to spend time with God and they're distracting me.
But God's going to take care of me. And I
got all these enemies. I just want to grow in
my relationship with God, and God's going to take care
of me. I got all these enemies. It's kind of
it's every few verses, it's one or the other, until
finally he gets to the section of eleven, twelve, thirteen
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or fourteen. Teach me how to live, Oh Lord, lead
me along the right path, He goes. I want to
do the right thing because my enemies are waiting for me.
There's the enemies, right. I want you, But I got
these bad guys coming after me. Don't let me fall
into their hands, for they accuse me of things I've
never done with every break that threatened me with violence.
Yet I'm confident I'll see the Lord's goodness while I'm
here in the land of the Living. Right. So he
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keeps flipping back and forth. You know, God's good and
I just want to be with you, and I got
people who hate me.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
David have the hardest job ever, Yeah, right, I mean
think about it. I mean, isn't it the hardest job
to be the warrior who fights everyone and everything? And
his goal was, I mean, his assignment from God was
to take out those who blaspheme against God, those who
they're worshiping false gods. They're not acknowledging who God is.
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They talk against God. Right, So God's literally taking them out. So,
I mean, it's pretty crazy how that's his job description.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, so he was interesting his role and how he did.
What he did is a little different than Joshua. Joshua
when he led the people in several hundred years before David.
They are aggressors. They're coming in, they're taking Jericho, they're
taking Ai, they're taking right, they're going through the Ten Cities,
they're taking the mountains, they're taking the passes. With David,
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David is mostly defending right. The Philistines are constantly attacking.
He's got all these outsiders. They're constantly attacking. But when
he wins, he pushes them so far back he takes
more land, right, is what happens. So you don't see
him like just invading Gaza, which is you know, in
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modern day Gaza now is it was a big part
of Felistia. Then you don't see him just invading Felicitia.
But when they would attack him, they would attack, and
they come in and try to you know, they are
a bunch of marauders, and they would come in and
steal all of the grain and the wealth of the
cities and the villages. He would go out with his
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armies push them back, and he pushed them back further
and take more of their land is what he did.
And so his kingdom expanded that way. But most of
his kingdom, even though he was a great warrior, defeated
everybody fought against. Just about most of the land he
took was a diplomacy stuff even before his son, and
then his son expanded the kingdom even more. It's really phenomenal.
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But in this passage, you know, he's feeling like he's
surrounded all the time and it's just NonStop war, NonStop battles.
People coming after him, and he felt like they hated
him because they hate God. That was really kind of
his association. And so he's like, well, I don't care God,
you protect me from them because I just want you.
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And that really was at the core of it. And
that's why you could have confidence that if all of
my trust is in the Lord, then who can I
be afraid of? Right, that's the whole twenty seven to one.
The Lord is my light and my salvation. So the
Lord is my light, He'll show me which way to go.
He's my salvation. That means he'll protect me. If that's
the case. So why should I be afraid?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So this is a very simple illustration. But when I
was young, in the tenth grade, I had a job
at this fancy restaurant called the moon Breaker in Youngstown, Ohio,
and it was a very hostile environment. And I would
often say things like, well, I can't work on Sunday
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because I have church, and everybody would like make fun
of me and buride me and talk me into missing
church all the time. I missed church more than ever
during that season that I worked there for seven months,
because they just couldn't stand the fact that I kept
on saying I want to go to church or events
or things like that overworking and so but I was determined,
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like I'm not going to let this job rule my life.
But anyway, but it was so unbelievably hostile and especially
against the managers and even my bosses. So I would
have this tradition where I would go in and I
would have to change. I have to put on my
little bow tie, you know, because it was fancy and
everything else, a little ribbon apron. And I would go
to this handicapped stall, you know, because I had room
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to move around, and I would get on my knees,
which is a little odd on a public restroom, right,
But I would just sort of go in that last
stall and I would get on my knees in the
corner because it's really big, and I would just pray,
and I would say, God, protect me today, watch over me,
give me strength, give me confidence, even when people are
trying to intimidate me, even when you know they're they're
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they're saying things against me. God, I pray that you
give me favor, give me patience, you know, help me
respond the right way. And I would literally have to
put on the armor of God before every shift because
I felt like, if I'm not careful, I'm gonna because
back then, you know, I mean, I could punch you, right,
if you make me mad, I'll just punch you and
then quit, right. And I don't want to do that,
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so I wanted to I don't want to be that guy.
So I just pray it constantly. But it's almost like
it's sort of the same vein. It's the same attitude.
He says, the Lord is my fortress, protecting me from danger,
So why should I tremble? You know, the Lord is
my light and my salvation, So why should I be afraid.
It's like everybody's against me. This is a hostile environment.
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And I know that it's hard to, you know, make
that comparison, what a simple comparison compared to David, But
it is true though. There's a lot of people who
go into schools and you feel persecuted in schools, or
you feel like you're the only Christian at work, or
you feel like you know there's people around you. They
may not even be persecuting you from your faith, but
they may be persecuting you just because you're not like them,
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Like you don't have you know, you don't want to
compromise your morals in the way that they want you
to write.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, David wasn't always a warrior. He grew into this
and so for you that was a big deal at
the time. This was this is this was what a
big deal looked like in David's life, But in your
life as a young Christian and a young man, that
was a big deal to you. And so the principle
is the same. That's why the New Testament says that
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God told us all the things in the Old Testament,
for example, right he shared it for example. So the
example is when you feel surrounded, when you feel like
there's enemies coming against you, it feels like a big deal.
But hey, God's got you back. Why do you have
to You don't have to tremble, right, You can have this.
You can have the same attitude in your situation that
David had in his. And by the way, they weren't
trying to kill you, right, right, right? So why should
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you fear? Why should you be? But we do. We
still we get nervous about somebody writing something mean on
social media, trying to ruin our reputation. You know, at
least you're not trying to kill us. I love the
phrase the one thing I ask of the Lord, the
thing I seek most is to live in the house
of the Day, a house of the Lord, all the
days of my life, in the Lord's perfections. When Bonnie
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and I had an opportunity to come to Heritage Church,
we were thirty four and we had moved so many times.
Life was really hard when we were young. Yeah, it
was hard, and we were poor all the time and
struggling all the time. It's just hard. And we had
my son had lived in as many homes as he
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was years old. When we moved it was like eleven, right,
and so when the Lord opened up the door here,
I remember telling before we came to Herida's church, I
told the Lord Lord, I'll go anywhere and I'll do
anything you want me to do. There were different global
mission opportunities and just a lot of different things. So
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we were just looking for God's guidance. And I said,
but if I could ask for one thing, just let
me get old wherever we go next. Right, That's what
I asked the Lord for. And I think about that
when he says if there's one thing I could ask
the Lord, Yeah, as a David. And it was this
passage that made me think, well, David asked for one thing, right,
so if I could just if I can have one
just let me get well. Now I was only thirty four.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Then, well you look at what you are now.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now I've got I was like half the man I
am now too, right, And yeah, I'm losing my hair.
My hair is getting gray.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm like, I've seen the videos.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well there's some other things I'd like to ask for. Now,
make it really old. That's what I meant to say,
really old, because I don't know what thirty thirty four
year old Jeff might have thought fifty four year old
Jeff was old, right, right, So I meant really old, Lord,
just to be clear, right.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Right, yeah, every just to be clear, every thirty year
old thinks a fifty year old is old.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, so so but my wife and I we
did pray that Lord, this is what we want. We
want to serve you wherever you send us. If you'd
let us just let us get old there now, I'll
do whatever he tells me to do. But man, that
was that was my heart's desire. And I feel like
the Lord's allowing us to do that, right, And I
have that thing? So what is that one thing that
you'd ask the Lord? Because I wanted to serve him
and I wanted to serve him wherever. So this wasn't
about me, right, But in the context me saying God,
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I'll do whatever you want me to do, I also
kind of pitched in there. But if I could ask
one thing, just let me be able to here and Verse.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Twelve jumps out to me because he says, they accuse
me of things I've never done. You know, we all have,
I think probably come across that, right, sure, you know,
dealing with people who accuse you things, accuse you of
things that you've never done. That's a hard thing. Sure,
you know, it's it's just a really it's a really
great psalm to you know, apply to our lives. You
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can really relate to the fact that, you know, hey,
we've all been through a lot of this.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yep, you know. Yeah, you don't have to fight them.
Verse fourteen says wait patiently for the Lord. Be be
brave and courageous.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep, and let God take care of it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, like God do it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah. My favorite quote, one of my favorite quotes is
Woodbrow Wilson. If I take care of my character, my
reputation will take care of itself.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That's true. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's a good one. All Right. Hey, that's our time,
so hopefully we'll see you tomorrow. And the Bible, guys,
You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible guys. We
are so excited to be with you here today talking
about God's provision and no, no.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's protecting protection. Sorry, it also provides.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well we talked about that last week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's done providing now, it's only protection.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No, no, we're just done talking about provisions. Oh I see, yeah, yeah,
God still protects them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Trying to keep up and a lot of other things
he does a lot of he's a busy guy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Before we dive into that. However, today, because we're in
Psalm chapter twenty seven, today, we have a segment called
Who's most Likely?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh these are fun.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, this is five things. We're going to each read
one and we're just going to pick who is actually
just five things total, right, five things and not each
that's right? And so who's most likely? So you want
to think the.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
First one who's most likely to laugh so hard they
can't finish their sentence? Probably think you do? You do?
I laugh hard? But you laughed to the point where
you've got that smoker's laugh. Yeah you can't. You're exhaling
so hard you can't inhale to finish the sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing is, my entire
life never smoked. Yeah, but I've always had a smoker shot.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And the funny thing is, did you have a rescue
voice when you're a kid?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know what the funny thing is. I would go
back and I would watch because I was a worship
leader for a couple of years too, And I went
back one time and I watched a VHS clip of
me in the nineties and I played it for one
of my worship leaders here, and and my voice did
sound a little less raspy, a little clever, I mean,
I would say, almost considerably. And so I started to wonder,
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maybe like I was allergic to cats, because I do
have an allergy to cats, and I've always.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Had can you've got a bunch of cats, Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Not sure my wasted home going. That's not it. That's
not it. It's not the cats.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's just more masculine now than.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, I don't know what it is, but but yeah,
but I listened to these old tapes and yeah, honestly,
my voice was clear or sharply.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, when was the last zac Efron movie watched?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Zach Efron movie?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, why, I would say, I don't know. Maybe
a week ago.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh okay, never mind. I thought, maybe you're just getting
more and more masculine. Oh I see, yeah that's what
I was thinking. But maybe not.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But I watched it by default. I came in and
my kids were watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh, it's their fault.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And then I sat down and joined them.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh, well that's your fault.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So I didn't turn them on. Okay, I didn't turn on.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, here we go, ready, yep, Oh no, it's your turn.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay. Number two, who's most likely to start a fight
over who talks more?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh? You talk more, but I don't talk more. Yes,
you do, dude.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
If you were to take all the words of the Bible, guys,
you would be seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh it's not seventy percent. That's an exaggeration.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, what is it? Sixty five?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Not more than sixty seven.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And I would say I would also say, in social settings,
I think you talked slightly more. Yeah, but I could.
I could, I could talk.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You can hold your own.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing compared to everybody else,
we both talked more than them.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh, we talked more than the whole rest of staff combined.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think so too. Yeah, I think so too. So
it's it's a little unfair for me to say you
talk more than me when I talk way more than
most people.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No. Yeah, well so it just said who's most likely
to start the fight, So I thought i'd start the fight?
Is what happened?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh is that with you?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's exactly?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh you're so clever.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You se what we did? You just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Who's most likely to forget what they were saying? Mid story?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh? Did we just have this?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I do that? I do that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We literally just had this question two weeks ago, did
we Yeah? We literally did, because you said that, Uh
you get bogged down in the details.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And they can'try what the point was. Yeah, yeah, okay,
I remember we've already thought that one and that was
already been established.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yes, yes, okay, Uh, Des really likes that question.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's a great question, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, number four, who's most likely to interrupt the other
one because they get too excited? That's like, that's like
knock knock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking about who interrupting
cal Yeah yeah, so anyway, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm an interrupter.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm sort of an interrupter too. And I have a
confession when when you're gone and we have another guest.
There are loved ones in my life that point out
even though I disagreed and said, why do you interrupt them?
And I said, I don't think I interrupt them, they said, no, no, no,
you need to be more considered because I think you
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interrupt the other person. And it's maybe because I'm trying
to take more of a leader type role when they're here,
I guess, but I've been I've been hold that I
interrupt people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We have such a both of us have lived such
a crazy life, yes, that the two of us can
be in a conversation and you can tell a story about,
you know, a clown robbing a bank and you know
that I knew, yes that you knew he was related
to you, and I'm like, that's nothing, right, And then
we do that. We do that a lot. Well, we're
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constantly oh, no, no, finish your things, because I got this.
I got to do that a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So Brian Reagan talks about that you remember.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, that's nothing you me.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, he says, he goes, he just waits to
your lips to get done. Stop stop with your two
tooth wisdom pulley tail. When he said a parachute him
with a four wisdom tooth story.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's right, that's funny. Okay, So whose turn is it?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Is?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Who's most likely to say this is our best episode
yet every single time?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh, that's definitely you. That's me, that's you. It's me, Yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Because I have all my favorite verses and yes, one
of my favorite your favorites, my favorite thing talk about
an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, well maybe, so maybe what does that make me
a pessimist?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know, No, pessimist and enthusiast just means you
like everything, Okay, Pessimist means you tend.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
To have you don't like. Yeah, I guess what's the
opposite of enthusiast?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't know what may maybe I'm just less of
an enthusiast.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well, now you ask me question. I don't have
a brain anymore, so I have to ask gpt of
what would I ask? What's the opposite of an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Wow, look at you adding a little little flair to
the who's most likely seg enthusiist.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's gonna say, what's that you don't know how to spell?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Uh? A skeptic's apathetic, disinterested observer, maybe a wet blanket.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't think I'm a wet blanket.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, I didn't say it the smartest, the smartest on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Not about me.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It wasn't about kill joy and doomer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah. Okay, first of all, chat chpt does not think
that of me.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
This would have said. That's all I'm saying. You said
you are the opposite of an enthusiast.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, you know what we have one minute, Hey, based
on what you know about me, would you consider me
a pessimist or a kill joy or a wet blanket?
Not at all. Based on everything you shared and the
way you communicate, I'd actually say you're the opposite, says
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chat Ept. You come across as well. I have to
read it as a thoughtful, curious, creative and real You
like to dig into, meaning, challenge surface level stuff and
look for the why behind things, especially when it comes
to purposes or people's motivations, the kind of depth, depth
that sometimes can be skeptical or analytical, but not pessimism.
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It's discernment.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
All right, give me your phone?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What what are you doing? All right, we're already a time.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's okay. Have you ever disagreed with Chris Starba, And
if so, when, I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
In our conversations that suggests you've been called the kill
joy or anything like that. He definitely seemed to have
a genuine curiosity and a positive drive, especially in your
sermons and creative projects. But if you ever feel like
you're being perceived that way, we can definitely explore that more.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
How did you get it to do that?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just pushed the thing to talk. That was the
computer talking to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's it right there. Yeah, okay, that is scary. That
was scary. For the first time, I felt like my
phone was alive.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It is alive. It's alive, and it's listening. Okay, so
you know what else is alive? What the word?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Aya? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, I know we were stopping that some twenty seven.
The Lord is my Light and my salvation is what
we're talking about today. And I hate to do this. Yeah,
but this really is one of my favorite songs we
just talked about. Really, yeah, yeah, it really is. I
love the Psalm twenty seven. You know, I was a
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worship leader for years, and I spent a lot of
time in the Psalms because I wanted to The Bible
says that David was a man after God's own heart.
He wrote most not all, but he wrote most of
the Psalms and if he's a man after God's own heart.
And he also was one of the main worship leaders
in the history of Israel, and he wrote the biggest
worship book in the whole Bible. It's the whole It's
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the biggest book in the Bible. The whole thing is
just worship. Then I thought, okay, I'd like to spend
more time with him, hang out. You know, you become
like the people you hang out with. Sure, So I
spent a lot of time in the Psalms and h
uh some twenty seven is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And you and you found out that he really wants
to run from his enemies a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He's running from his enemies. He's kind of mad at
God by the time. But then he has times like
this and he says, The Lord is my light and
my salvation, So why should I be afraid? The Lord
is my fortress, protecting me from dangers. So why should
I tremble? When evil come to evil, people come to
devour me. When my enemies and foes attack me, they
will stumble and fall. Though a mighty army surrounds me.
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My heart will not be afraid. Even if I'm attacked,
I will remain confident. The one thing I ask of
the Lord, the thing I seek the most, is to
live in the house of the Lord all the days
of my life, delighting in the Lord's perfections and meditating
in his temple. For he will conceal me there. When
troubles come, he will hide me in his sanctuary. He
will place me out of reach on a high rock,
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and then I will hold my head high above my
enemies who surround me. At his sanctuary. I will go
offer sacrifices with shouts of joy, singing and praising the
Lord with music. Hear me as I pray, O, Lord,
be merciful and answer me. My heart has heard you say,
come and talk with me, and my heart responds, Lord,
I'm coming. Do not turn your bad Do not reject
your servant and anger. You've always been my helper. Don't
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leave me now. Don't abandon me, Oh God of my salvation.
Even if my father and mother abandoned me. The Lord
will hold me close, teach me how to live. Oh Lord,
Leave me along the right path, for my enemies are
waiting for me. Do not let me fall into their hands.
For they cause accuse me of things I've never done,
and with every breath they threatened me with violence. Yet
I'm confident I will see the Lord's goodness while I'm
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here in the land of the Living. Wait patiently for
the Lord. Be brave and courageous. Yes, wait patiently for
the Lord. I love it. He's like man all around me.
It seems like everybody's against me, but God's on my side,
and so I just want to spend the rest of
my life with him.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah. So the first six verses the first verses of
when we're concentrating on Yeah, This note in my study
Bible says David didn't close his eyes to the circumstances
around him. Rather, he looked by faith to the Lord
and examined his circumstances from Heaven. From Heaven's point of
view references. He twelve. The Lord was everything he needed,
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just as he has everything we need today. He is
our light, so we need we need not fear darkness.
He has our strength or fortress see Saw eighteen. So
we need not fear because of our weaknesses. He is
our salvation. So the victory is sure. So it said light, fortress, salvation.
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It's great, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, And I already mentioned this right before we started filming.
But there was a guy in my home church that
used to sing the song yeah and so, and he
had this high vibrato and his name was Bob, and
Bob used to sing the song. In fact, it's the
only song I ever heard him sing. And every like
three months or two months, he would just get up
and he grabbed the microphone and I'm like, oh, here
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comes again, this same song. And he used to go,
Lord is my light and my sob.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So anyway, it was a very classical sounding hymn. Yes, yes,
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But you remember that song though the Lord is the
strength of my life. The Lord is the strength of
my life. Yeah. So it's a great song. It's a
great hymn. And uh and uh yeah, I like it
a lot, but when he's saying it, that's all I hear.
So when I read this verse, that's all I hear.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the whole thing. He had this really aggressive through
the whole song, his.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Go tea, his silver go tea, and his uh, peppered hair,
and he towed his head. He towed his head like this.
So that's all I can see. But anyway, but it's
in my head though I know the scripture, right, yes
you do, so it's it's he did his job, that's right.
That's right. Even as a kid, I knew the scripture
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because you know I've mentioned this before, but you know,
memorized versus the songs. Whenever you hear a Bible verse
in a song, always worth singing it and memorizing it, Right,
Did I ever tell you that? Uh? The first day
of Bible College, I memorized the books of the Bible
to this tune of one little two little three little Yeah,
yeah you told me that, and I could and I
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can still sing it today because I I was like,
oht know how I'm gonna memorize this sixty six books
of the Bible, And then I just sort of made
it up. Nobody ever told me, I just made it numbers. Yeah, Dorononymy, Joshua,
Juges Ruth first sing Samuel for sin Kings first, and
tech ink On Nicholas is ry Esther Joe Psalm's proverbs
because yes, he sung as Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremy Lamentations, Ezekiel
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Daniels at Joe. Okay, yeah, so so anyway, yeah, so
I just think that memorizing the scripture is uh, it's
a good thing. It's great.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yep. Yeah, so, uh, I really like this verse thirteen, right,
he says. So he's saying, teach me how to live
in verse eleven, leave me along the right path. So
it's interesting he keeps splitting between I've got enemies all
around me's trying to wipe me out. But God, more
important than that, I want to I want to spend
all my time with you. And at this time, the
temple didn't ex when he wrote this, so there was
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a tabernacle in Gilead where he had built that tabernacle
to house the ark of the Covenant. He was dreaming
of the day we know in First Chronicles he was
always dreaming about building a temple someday for the Lord.
But the Lord said, you don't get to build it.
You're a warrior. Yea, but your son can build it hands. Yes,
but he designed it, he helped design, he helped plan,
he helped and.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do a bazillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he was always dreaming about it.
So I think he's not talking about man. If I
could to spend all my life in church. What he's
saying is God, if I can to spend all my
life in your presence, that's what he wants, right, And I.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Find it interesting how this is only four chapters after
Psalm twenty three that ends that way as well. For
I will live in the House of the Lord forever,
because he says this one thing I asked the Lord,
the thing I seek most is to live in the
House of the Lord all the days of my life,
the letting the Lord's perfections and meditans.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So he's got I've got all these enemies. I just
want to spend time with God and they're distracting me.
But God's going to take care of me. And I
got all these enemies. I just want to grow in
my relationship with God, and God's going to take care
of me. I got all these enemies. It's kind of
it's every few verses, it's one or the other, until
finally he gets to the section of eleven, twelve, thirteen
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or fourteen. Teach me how to live, Oh Lord, lead
me along the right path, He goes. I want to
do the right thing because my enemies are waiting for me.
There's the enemies, right. I want you, But I got
these bad guys coming after me. Don't let me fall
into their hands, for they accuse me of things I've
never done with every break that threatened me with violence.
Yet I'm confident I'll see the Lord's goodness while I'm
here in the land of the Living. Right. So he
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keeps flipping back and forth. You know, God's good and
I just want to be with you, and I got
people who hate me.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
David have the hardest job ever, Yeah, right, I mean
think about it. I mean, isn't it the hardest job
to be the warrior who fights everyone and everything? And
his goal was, I mean, his assignment from God was
to take out those who blaspheme against God, those who
they're worshiping false gods. They're not acknowledging who God is.
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They talk against God. Right, So God's literally taking them out. So,
I mean, it's pretty crazy how that's his job description.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, so he was interesting his role and how he did.
What he did is a little different than Joshua. Joshua
when he led the people in several hundred years before David.
They are aggressors. They're coming in, they're taking Jericho, they're
taking Ai, they're taking right, they're going through the Ten Cities,
they're taking the mountains, they're taking the passes. With David,
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David is mostly defending right. The Philistines are constantly attacking.
He's got all these outsiders. They're constantly attacking. But when
he wins, he pushes them so far back he takes
more land, right, is what happens. So you don't see
him like just invading Gaza, which is you know, in
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modern day Gaza now is it was a big part
of Felistia. Then you don't see him just invading Felicitia.
But when they would attack him, they would attack, and
they come in and try to you know, they are
a bunch of marauders, and they would come in and
steal all of the grain and the wealth of the
cities and the villages. He would go out with his
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armies push them back, and he pushed them back further
and take more of their land is what he did.
And so his kingdom expanded that way. But most of
his kingdom, even though he was a great warrior, defeated
everybody fought against. Just about most of the land he
took was a diplomacy stuff even before his son, and
then his son expanded the kingdom even more. It's really phenomenal.
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But in this passage, you know, he's feeling like he's
surrounded all the time and it's just NonStop war, NonStop battles.
People coming after him, and he felt like they hated
him because they hate God. That was really kind of
his association. And so he's like, well, I don't care God,
you protect me from them because I just want you.
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And that really was at the core of it. And
that's why you could have confidence that if all of
my trust is in the Lord, then who can I
be afraid of? Right, that's the whole twenty seven to one.
The Lord is my light and my salvation. So the
Lord is my light, He'll show me which way to go.
He's my salvation. That means he'll protect me. If that's
the case. So why should I be afraid?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So this is a very simple illustration. But when I
was young, in the tenth grade, I had a job
at this fancy restaurant called the moon Breaker in Youngstown, Ohio,
and it was a very hostile environment. And I would
often say things like, well, I can't work on Sunday
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because I have church, and everybody would like make fun
of me and buride me and talk me into missing
church all the time. I missed church more than ever
during that season that I worked there for seven months,
because they just couldn't stand the fact that I kept
on saying I want to go to church or events
or things like that overworking and so but I was determined,
(20:00):
like I'm not going to let this job rule my life.
But anyway, but it was so unbelievably hostile and especially
against the managers and even my bosses. So I would
have this tradition where I would go in and I
would have to change. I have to put on my
little bow tie, you know, because it was fancy and
everything else, a little ribbon apron. And I would go
to this handicapped stall, you know, because I had room
(20:22):
to move around, and I would get on my knees,
which is a little odd on a public restroom, right,
But I would just sort of go in that last
stall and I would get on my knees in the
corner because it's really big, and I would just pray,
and I would say, God, protect me today, watch over me,
give me strength, give me confidence, even when people are
trying to intimidate me, even when you know they're they're
(20:43):
they're saying things against me. God, I pray that you
give me favor, give me patience, you know, help me
respond the right way. And I would literally have to
put on the armor of God before every shift because
I felt like, if I'm not careful, I'm gonna because
back then, you know, I mean, I could punch you, right,
if you make me mad, I'll just punch you and
then quit, right. And I don't want to do that,
(21:05):
so I wanted to I don't want to be that guy.
So I just pray it constantly. But it's almost like
it's sort of the same vein. It's the same attitude.
He says, the Lord is my fortress, protecting me from danger,
So why should I tremble? You know, the Lord is
my light and my salvation, So why should I be afraid.
It's like everybody's against me. This is a hostile environment.
(21:28):
And I know that it's hard to, you know, make
that comparison, what a simple comparison compared to David, But
it is true though. There's a lot of people who
go into schools and you feel persecuted in schools, or
you feel like you're the only Christian at work, or
you feel like you know there's people around you. They
may not even be persecuting you from your faith, but
they may be persecuting you just because you're not like them,
(21:51):
Like you don't have you know, you don't want to
compromise your morals in the way that they want you
to write.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, David wasn't always a warrior. He grew into this
and so for you that was a big deal at
the time. This was this is this was what a
big deal looked like in David's life, But in your
life as a young Christian and a young man, that
was a big deal to you. And so the principle
is the same. That's why the New Testament says that
(22:19):
God told us all the things in the Old Testament,
for example, right he shared it for example. So the
example is when you feel surrounded, when you feel like
there's enemies coming against you, it feels like a big deal.
But hey, God's got you back. Why do you have
to You don't have to tremble, right, You can have this.
You can have the same attitude in your situation that
David had in his. And by the way, they weren't
trying to kill you, right, right, right? So why should
(22:42):
you fear? Why should you be? But we do. We
still we get nervous about somebody writing something mean on
social media, trying to ruin our reputation. You know, at
least you're not trying to kill us. I love the
phrase the one thing I ask of the Lord, the
thing I seek most is to live in the house
of the Day, a house of the Lord, all the
days of my life, in the Lord's perfections. When Bonnie
(23:02):
and I had an opportunity to come to Heritage Church,
we were thirty four and we had moved so many times.
Life was really hard when we were young. Yeah, it
was hard, and we were poor all the time and
struggling all the time. It's just hard. And we had
my son had lived in as many homes as he
(23:28):
was years old. When we moved it was like eleven, right,
and so when the Lord opened up the door here,
I remember telling before we came to Herida's church, I
told the Lord Lord, I'll go anywhere and I'll do
anything you want me to do. There were different global
mission opportunities and just a lot of different things. So
(23:48):
we were just looking for God's guidance. And I said,
but if I could ask for one thing, just let
me get old wherever we go next. Right, That's what
I asked the Lord for. And I think about that
when he says if there's one thing I could ask
the Lord, Yeah, as a David. And it was this
passage that made me think, well, David asked for one thing, right,
so if I could just if I can have one
just let me get well. Now I was only thirty four.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Then, well you look at what you are now.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now I've got I was like half the man I
am now too, right, And yeah, I'm losing my hair.
My hair is getting gray.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm like, I've seen the videos.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well there's some other things I'd like to ask for. Now,
make it really old. That's what I meant to say,
really old, because I don't know what thirty thirty four
year old Jeff might have thought fifty four year old
Jeff was old, right, right, So I meant really old, Lord,
just to be clear, right.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Right, yeah, every just to be clear, every thirty year
old thinks a fifty year old is old.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, so so but my wife and I we
did pray that Lord, this is what we want. We
want to serve you wherever you send us. If you'd
let us just let us get old there now, I'll
do whatever he tells me to do. But man, that
was that was my heart's desire. And I feel like
the Lord's allowing us to do that, right, And I
have that thing? So what is that one thing that
you'd ask the Lord? Because I wanted to serve him
and I wanted to serve him wherever. So this wasn't
about me, right, But in the context me saying God,
(25:02):
I'll do whatever you want me to do, I also
kind of pitched in there. But if I could ask
one thing, just let me be able to here and Verse.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Twelve jumps out to me because he says, they accuse
me of things I've never done. You know, we all have,
I think probably come across that, right, sure, you know,
dealing with people who accuse you things, accuse you of
things that you've never done. That's a hard thing. Sure,
you know, it's it's just a really it's a really
great psalm to you know, apply to our lives. You
(25:30):
can really relate to the fact that, you know, hey,
we've all been through a lot of this.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yep, you know. Yeah, you don't have to fight them.
Verse fourteen says wait patiently for the Lord. Be be
brave and courageous.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep, and let God take care of it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, like God do it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah. My favorite quote, one of my favorite quotes is
Woodbrow Wilson. If I take care of my character, my
reputation will take care of itself.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That's true. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's a good one. All Right. Hey, that's our time,
so hopefully we'll see you tomorrow. And the Bible, guys,
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