December 5, 2025 • 26 mins
Episode 830:
In this episode, we dive into a discussion centered around Colossians chapter two. Here, we unpack the Apostle Paul's message to the church in Colossi, addressing the tension between faith in Christ and adherence to religious rituals. Paul emphasizes that salvation comes through faith in Jesus alone, not through the observance of laws or traditions.
In this episode, we dive into a discussion centered around Colossians chapter two. Here, we unpack the Apostle Paul's message to the church in Colossi, addressing the tension between faith in Christ and adherence to religious rituals. Paul emphasizes that salvation comes through faith in Jesus alone, not through the observance of laws or traditions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode, an exciting episode of
the Bible.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Exciting. It is exciting, Yes, because we had said earlier
this week we're going to try to make those our
best episodes. Yes, yeah, they were okay, but this one's
an exciting one. Oh, yes, super exciting one.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm super excited.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And a big reason why it's so exciting because we're
gonna do everybody's favorite segment today. It's been a while.
We didn't do it last week, you guys in the
Platinum edition, you didn't do it, did not But now
that Wesley's not here, we're going back at it. Baby.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And everybody's favorite segment is what made Chris mad this week?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, well I'll tell you this. I didn't take me
long to think about it. Of course I didn't, because
I had something that just got on my nerves and
I'm like, come on, people, and I think it applies to.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Everybody who shares.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know this is a weird thought, but like, if
you're in a household with kids, if you're in a
household with your spouse, this is true for you, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Or if you have a roommate, okay, right in this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Case, if you live, if you live in a domicile
with another human being.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Or in this case, there's a community shower right at
a church, so I I have.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At share space with other human beings.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, well I'm trying with specifically about showers.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So I actually shower here at the church a few times.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A week, which Chris, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But because there's a we actually work out.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We have a gym here at a church heritage fitness
center by the way, and so and so after most workouts,
I'll bring a change of clothes and I go back there.
Now we have sort of like big huge community shampoos
and you know, liquid soaps and things like that, right
and then uh, and then even there's like like a
(01:54):
bar shop in there too. Now that applies at a
community place if you share shampoos with somebody else at
a gym or something, or a roommate like I said,
or a family you share shampoos. So here's what get
on my nerves, And this is true for everybody. I
cannot get over how every single time I get in
(02:16):
that shower, somebody has used the Irish spring soap.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And they leave, they leave it flipped.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And then there's another one in there and it's like
a sport like axe thing soap, and that lids up.
And then there's a shampoo that is in there. It's
like a community shampoo.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And then and that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Thing just sort of like you sort of press the lid.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Down and like click, it just clips open right, and
that's up.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And that's up right. And so then I'll use it.
I'll go click, click, click, and then I'll you know,
I'll use it. Now. Shut them all and then the
very next time I go to take a shower, they're
up again.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yes, I'm convinced that if there.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Was a cap that's screwed off, the cap would be
on the ground right. And so here's the question. The
question is, how can a human being, any human.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Being, any decent human, any decent human being like flip
oth of the brain in their head, flip open something,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, do they do they leave the kap a
toothpaste if there was toothpaste, probably if it was connected,
they would.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just leave it. O get why.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't know how, because they're not thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're not thinking. Nobody's thinking, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna leave this lid up forget the next person.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Fine, fine, you sold me on that thinking. But it's
well beyond that. That's a small.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Piece of it. It is it is.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
This is the nature of some people, Like they don't
want to close the door behind them, They don't want
to return their shopping cart, they don't want to park
between the lines.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're projecting evil intent on people want as far as
want so so so so, so let me say so.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I was trying politely to say they're slops.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's what I was trying to politely say. I wasn't
trying to put evil.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
They weren't house broke right at their MoMA. Their mama failed.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, I was just saying, like, some people aren't wired
to do to be tidy.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So, so I was in the kitchen and I was cooking. Uh,
I forgot what I was cooking. Oh, a crown roast,
a pork crown roast. You know if the bones I'll
stick up sea Yeah yeah, yeah, it's cooking one of those.
And I'm just going one hundred miles an hour and
my wife comes out and she goes, you don't know
(04:27):
how to close one cabinet door.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh, you leave cabinet doors.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And I turned around and almost every cabinet door was open.
But all's that happened was I need I need a tablespoon,
a kosher salt. I need I need a little bit
of where's the where's the time? Right? I'm thinking what
I need to do, not thinking whatever reason closed that
door closed, that door closed it. I wasn't like you
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to difference.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You want to know the difference. If you were the
one at the end of the meal, you would have
not walked away from that kitchen without closing. Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When I was all done, I would have tried on.
Oh my gosh, all the there's the difference because before
I leave a thing, I try to wipe everything down.
I try to look.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You wouldn't leave the soap up flippingly if I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
In the restaurant, wash my hands. I just had a
guy at the airport. I was in the sky club,
Delta sky Club, and went in and washed my hands.
And when I was done, you know, I just take
a little extra paper towel, I'll wipe off the thing
and I goes, oh, no, no, no, that's my job. I said,
that's all of our job. Man, thank you for doing
yours right and wiping out. I just think you're there,
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wipe down the water drop list that you had on
the thing, right, you just just kind of cleaned up.
I think that there is something to that. But in
the moment, for me, a lot of times, especially when
I'm cooking, everything's just open, yeah, and it looks like
a bomb.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's fine because you're still in the middle of something, right,
But they're still not showering when I walk in there.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But my wife would say, there are times I'll step
over a thing four times and not even notice it. Okay,
yeah I really do where I just didn't even see it.
But it's it's I have a really I don't think
about things I need to do. I'm thinking about I'm
thinking thoughts, right, ideas, concepts a lot of times, and
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so a lot of times I'm just in my head
and everything else is just there, but I'm not seeing
it a lot of times, unless like if I'm walking
through the building here and I'm looking for something, well,
then I see it, Hey, that needs to be repainted,
This needs to be there's a scuff over there, let's
fix that draw. Well, I see that, because now that's
what I'm thinking in the moment, that's what I'm working on.
(06:31):
But if I'm working on something in my head, I'm
oblivious to what's around me.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, it dawns on me that I will probably never
know who else showers and leaves all those caps open,
because I don't care enough to know, right, But I
just want to send the message out there.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know who you are if they listen to the.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Ar right, and who doesn't?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, well, who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I'm sure everybody on our staff is hanging on
every word we say.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm sure that is not true.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They just don't get enough of us through the rest
of the week. They want to spend another twenty five ans.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Actually, stephf member said that to me. Step member goes, hey,
did you listen to the Bible?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And the staff member said to all the other staff
members and goes, are.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You kidding me? I'm here around him all week long,
That's what he said.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I was like, thanks, Prophet has no honor in his
own town. That's what Jesus said.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So anyway, the bottom line is is listen. It's not
just for the guy here who showers and leaves it up,
or maybe it's multiple people, who knows, but it is
also for the wives, for the husbands, for the children,
for the roommates. Just not only do you need to
close every cap, but then here's an idea, like be
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organized in the shower with your empty bott.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Don't be a slob.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But I don't want to say it that way.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Okay, I just did. Okay, So I have this thought
and I've been working on this this year, yep, more,
and I think I said it in January to our staff.
But I have this phrase that I wrote down in
a couple places where I see it, and it says,
the way you do anything is the way you do everything.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I agree with that, right, And so.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I've been trying more and more and more. Change out
the toilet paper roll, don't leave just one one square left,
you know, and the thing throw it away. If you
miss the garbage can, stop, turn around and pick it up.
Put in the garbage can. Just because I think if
I pay attention to more of the details, and I'm
not as fastidious as you are, I'm not as detailed
as you are, but I want to be. And so
(08:28):
I've got that phrase the way you do anything is
the way you do everything, And I'm trying to remind
myself of that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's just quality issues.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's it's it is that way most of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's why I was trying to say earlier, it's the
same person who you know can't park between the lions
or put their shopping cart back, or.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We hate those people.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, I just know, I just think I don't want
to use the word hate, Okay, I'm just saying, like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, I'm just getting excited about that. The rage in
you is coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
The whole segment is what made Chris mad this week.
And so it's just it's it's like it's like contagious.
Well and plus fight him now? And does does shampoo
go bad? I don't know. Well, I think it's a
little bit of water.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I want to go find let's let's let's just go around,
let's interrogate hm. Let's get a big bright light. I
will grab one of these lights from the show, say.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Did you do it? Do you know who did it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I just realized we went like a minute and a
half over.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I was excited about it. Sorry, Okay, talk about
other things I'm excited about. In Colossians chapter two, yes,
it's talking about freedom from the rules and new life
in Christ, which is similar to the passage we read
yesterday about the law. So this is the same guy.
Now he's writing to the church in Colossie, which is
(09:43):
in Greece, and he they they have a problem in
their church of people who want to say, yes, Jesus
is enough for salvation, but you also have to keep
all these other religious rituals, so you can't go to heaven, right,
And so he's kind of busting their chops on that,
(10:04):
particularly with regard to the Jewish Christians who were demanding
that you maintain all of the religious holidays and that
you maintained circumcision, right, which was.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Because their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And so Paul's mission in life was to bring in gentiles,
those who did not grow up doing all the Jewish practices.
And and it almost seems like to me when I
read it, I get a I attach an attitude to
it of all the Jewish people like, hey, I worked.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Really hard to get here.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah. Well, you know, we still carry a lot of
our cultural predispositions in and so the Jewish Men were
raised to look down on the gentile men, who you're gross,
you're not circumcised, and and they're they're bathing places, they're gymnasiums,
they're they're you were in that Roman town in northern
(10:54):
Israel right where.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They uh something you no, no bet?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, And they had public bathhouses, they had public restrooms
that were wide open. In fact, all the seats were
right along the edge of the thing. It was funny, right, Uh.
And it was just all public and open. As a
matter of fact, that's where we get the phrase doing
your business is there they would go and they would
do business while they were in the bathroom. So it's
so funny. So uh, nudity was a lot more public, right,
(11:27):
men with men, women with women, but it was more public.
And so the Jewish men were taught and the boys
were taught those are dogs if they're not circumcised like us. Right,
that's that's h and so so so it's hard sometimes
even though I've been saved and I've been redeemed and
I've been pulled out of all of the cultural things.
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It's still deep in me, my family and the way
that we grew up is so I didn't grow up
that way, right. That's a lot of this is what
they're dealing with in Calautionans chapter two. So he says,
and now just as this is verse six, and now,
just as you accepted Christ as your lord, you must
continue to follow him. Let your roots grow down deep
into him, and let your lives be built on him.
(12:14):
And then your faith will grow strong in the truth
you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness. There's
that gratefulness thing all the time. See it's the key.
Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high
sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the
spiritual powers of this world. He's talking about family tradition
and social tradition rather than from Christ. For in Christ,
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for in Christ lives all the fullness of God in
a human body. So you also are complete through your
union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler
and authority. When you came to Christ, you were quote
unquote circumcised, but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed
a spiritual circumcision, cutting away of your sinful nature. For
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you were buried with Christ, and you were baptized, and
with him you were raised new life because you trusted
the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead.
You were dead because of your sins, and because of
your sinful nature was not yet cut away. And then
God made you alive with Christ. For He forgave all
our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against
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us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
In this way he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities.
He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on
the cross. So don't let anyone condemn you for what
you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy
days or moon ceremonies or sabbaths, For these rules are
only shadows of the reality to come, and Christ himself
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is that reality. Don't let anyone condemn you by insisting
on pious self denial or the worship of angels, saying
they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds
have made them proud, and they are not connected to
Christ the head of the body, for he holds the
whole body together with his joints and ligaments, and it
grows as God nourishes it. You've died with Christ, and
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yet yet he has set you free from the spiritual
powers of this world. So why do you keep on
following the rules of the world, such as don't handle,
don't handle, don't taste, don't touch. Such rules are mere
human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.
These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion,
pious self denial, and severe bodily discipline, but they provide
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no help in conquering a person's evil desires. That's good man,
So he's getting after it. But the promise that we're
reading today is thirteen verse thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So verse thirteen says you were dead because of your
sins and because of your sinful nature, and because your
sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made
you alive with Christ, and he forgave all of your sins.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think the next one, too, can be part of
that promise. He canceled the record of the charges against
us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah that's really good.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, and uh, you know, I I like the you know,
when Jesus sometimes talks about sin, he talks about the
leaven of the Pharisees, and then therefore you're forced to
think about the visual image of of yeast right inside bread.
I like that visual image better than this comparison of sin.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, that death or circumcisions.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Circum He's like, it's like throwing away for his skin.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's like, oh, thanks for that visual Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So circumcision was how what was the defining element for
the Jewish religion, right that and their sacrifices, and so
the men had a lot of pride in it and
took a lot of pride in it, although it made
it difficult to recruit new Jews.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes, if you got saved later on in life, if
he became a Jew or yeah, excuse.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Me, yeah, became a Jew leader in life.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, that's there's a there's a lot
of requirement.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Now it's goad to be all in. Yeah, exactly. And
it's interesting, you know, this is an important thing to men,
and so God says, hey, your sexuality is very important
to me, and so that that was the whole point.
But I think it's interesting here that he connects now
spiritual circumcision to baptism, and this is why Christians would
(16:17):
view Now, Paul says, everybody can get baptized, right, and
so whether it's Jew or Greek or whatever. And so
it's kind of the new symbol. It's the outward symbol
of what Jesus did on the inside. Circumcision was supposed
to be an outward symbol of what God was doing
on the inside, and that was that I've surrendered everything
to him, everything to him. Right, And now he says, hey,
(16:38):
this baptism thing demonstrates that. He says, you can't do
it on your own. You're only right with God. What
did it say? So, you're also complete through your union
with Christ, who has head over every ruler and authority.
So it says that we can't do it in our
own body. Only Christ, who lives in Christ lives all
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the fullness of God and human He says, So now
you're complete, not through yourself or through your own behaviors,
but through the fact that you're in Christ. So then
this is why baptism is like modern day circumcision. He says,
when you go under the water, you're buried with Christ
in the likeness of his death, and when you come
up out of the water, you're raised to walk in
a brand new life. And he said, so, this is why,
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for now two thousand years, Christians have viewed baptism in
a similar way. It's the defining symbol of the It's
the outward symbol of what Christ has done for us
on the inside, similar to how the Jews would have
viewed circumcision.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, and how he says, hey, you're so, He's almost
saying to them, you're so demanding that everybody performed the
ritual of circumcision. And what I'm telling you is there
is a spiritual circumcision that has happened, right, And he's
talking about the mechanism of salvation. And by the way,
that is not unlike the Book of Hebrews when everybody
was talking about the rituals of the temple, and the
(17:58):
writer of Hebrews is like, I get news for you.
Jesus is the high priest. Jesus is the sacrifice, You
are the temple. All those things that were that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
We were a part of growing up. Jesus has fulfilled
all of those things.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And what he's really saying is Jesus has fulfilled the
requirement for circumcision, right, and then, yeah, I like the idea.
I don't think i've ever heard, by the way, anybody
say that they thought, perhaps baptism is sort of the
new outward symbol, just like circumcision was.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, he's tying them together right here.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just I just never and I never looked at
it as a substitute.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, it's it's it's a replace, it's a right, a
religious right, right or practice that we're doing that demonstrates
outwardly the fact that our sins have been washed away,
as opposed to and he says, as opposed to being
your sins cut away, you since been washed away.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, the reason why I said that I never thought
of it as a replacement is because back when you
became a you in the Old Testament, there still was
a self baptismal ritual, right, there was a self cleansing rituals, right,
But baptism when John the Baptist came on the sea.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was a purification ritual.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, purification ratue.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, where baptism isn't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That Yeah, Well that's sort of the history of baptism though, right,
It was sort of rooted in that ritual of because
the symbolism behind the purification ritual was I'm washing away
my old self, my old sins, my old affiliation, right,
and I'm cleansing myself.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, I think that the idea of washing away the
old affiliation is a Roman thing, not a Jewish thing.
The Jewish thing was I couldn't go into the holier places,
the temple without without the purification thing. It was all
health issues. So all the purification rules for the Jews
were not symbolic. They were symbolic in that now we
(19:51):
look back at them and we see them, but in
their practice they had to. That's why a leper who
got healed had to go wash himself before he went
into the temple to show the priests that have been healed. Right,
they had to. That's why a woman every month had
to go through the purification process, right, because there was
a shedding of blood all those things. That's why you
couldn't touch if you touched a body, a dead body,
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you had to purify yourself. It was always a physical
cleansing in order to be able to go into the
temple because that's where all the people gathered and what
God was doing was he was holding back disease in
a place that had so much blood, right, tons of blood,
So he was pushing back the disease stuff. It's why
he tells them where to bury their excrement. He tells
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them everything, right, It's always about keeping back the disease.
That's why the Jews were so healthy. So it wasn't
symbolic like if you joined the Jews, what you were
doing is maybe taking your first bath, right, you're cleaning
up to go do it now. Symbolically, we understand there's
way more to it because as Christians, we see that
the Romans did do that. The Roman soldiers would because
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they had guys that were from different villages and tribes
and groups, and they were oftentimes subscribed into the military,
right they were forced into the military. Sometimes after they
got through their training, they would go to a baptism,
washing away their old identities and having a new identity.
So I think sometimes preachers will confuse the two rituals.
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But it's the fact that the Jews had a washing,
the Romans had a washing, I think is why Jesus chose, Hey,
this washing thing is the thing, but the Romans was
I'm washing away the old life, the Jews were, I'm
getting clean in order to go before God. Okay, yeah,
does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah yeah, I just knew it was a part of the.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Ritualistic you had to jump through all those hoops and
surgery being the hardest among them.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yes, right, yes, And so he says, he says, it's
like a spiritual cutting away. And now baptism is that
you were dead and now you're alive. And that's the
amazing thing. So understand this, this is what I really
wanted our listeners to hear. Listen to me. We went
to some other things, got distracted a little bit. It's
call all good stuff. But understand, everybody you see who
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is not has not placed their faith and trust in
Jesus Christ, is dead. They are the walking dead. Their
body is breathing, their cells are going through all of
the things necessary for life, their brain is functioning on
some level, but they are dead spiritually. We are literally
looking at the walking dead. And our job, he said,
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go everywhere and tell everyone. Our job as Christians, as
ambassadors for Christ, is to raise the dead. Right now,
they can only come alive through Christ, through what the
Holy Spirit does in them. But this is the mission
we're on as everybody is dead in their sin. You
before you met Jesus were dead in your sin. Everything
you did was leading to death. And now because of Christ,
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we have the hope of eternal life. And so this
is the mission we're on to. He's the debt, which
is a fun job.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So so the promise that we were dead in our
sins and we're alive in Christ, and and he forgave
us of all of our sins. Again, it's every single.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Day this week.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And in this case, he's talking to people who perhaps
think that you need to carry, you know, with you
more rules, rules from the past. Yeah, this is how
I grew up. You know, it's Christ, It's Jesus plus something. Yes, right,
So let's just be real clear. So the Bible says
that the only thing to get to heaven is Jesus
(23:35):
plus nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, right, So we we we just taught.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mentioned earlier this week that we lesson and I
taught one on one class and a lot of times
what we do is we open up for questions, and
we had a lot of questions and there were some
questions about you know, is baptism or requirement to get
to heaven, you know, is which is a lot of
times in that in this class, right, And and so
it's like, you want to be really clear, the Bible
(23:59):
is own best commentary. Every verse that talks about salvation
says that it's just Jesus alone. And again, you have
to imagine if they grew up their entire lives saying
you must do these things to be holy, you must
jump through all of these hoops and obey this, you know,
and traditionally every year these are so important. In fact,
(24:21):
your whole social life revolved around a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Of these things, right, And he's.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Saying, like, no more is it really necessarily required to
get into heaven? And everybody who grew up not your
way is invited and can also get into heaven. And
so I can understand the need of saying, well, they
need to be more religious like me, or they need
to be you know, study the scriptures and memorized and
do these practices. And I think that sometimes we can
(24:48):
be guilty of that as well, because a non denominational
church like we are, we do have people from different backgrounds, right,
I Mean, we're pretty like minded, but there are people
who come in and said, I grew up differently, right,
and you have to do it this way. And what
they're really saying is this is how I know church, right,
(25:09):
I grew up and you know. And some lady just
asked me in the lobby, she said, she said, I
can't get over the fact that there's no cross, you know,
And I says, well, we bring crosses out on the
stage from times.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
She walked under a forty seven foot cross to get
in the building.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Our whole steeple and sign is a forty seven foot cross.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah. Yeah, but she wants she wants some kind of icony.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, Jesus on the cross.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah. So that idea is baptism will cover this very quickly.
Is baptism required for salvation? It's very interesting. Even in
this passage, he says, for you were buried with Christ
when you were baptized, and with him you were raised
to new life. Right, Oh, so baptism must be how
I get raised to new life. Nope, because you trusted
(25:55):
the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead. Right.
Faith is embedded right in the Baptist verse, Right, right, right.
So you don't go to heaven because you got baptized.
You go to heaven because you trusted the mighty power
of God in Christ to raise him from the dead,
right right. So then baptism is just an evidence of
the fact that you've placed your trust, you've believed in.
(26:15):
So now I'm getting baptized like he did to evidence
as evidence of the fact that I believe in. Right,
So the belief is what saves me because you trusted
or because you believed the mighty power of God.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's a good place to end in.
So good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So hey, thanks for being with us this week and
hopefully we will see you on Monday on the Bible Guys,
You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a
couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode, an exciting episode of
the Bible.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Exciting. It is exciting, Yes, because we had said earlier
this week we're going to try to make those our
best episodes. Yes, yeah, they were okay, but this one's
an exciting one. Oh, yes, super exciting one.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm super excited.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And a big reason why it's so exciting because we're
gonna do everybody's favorite segment today. It's been a while.
We didn't do it last week, you guys in the
Platinum edition, you didn't do it, did not But now
that Wesley's not here, we're going back at it. Baby.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And everybody's favorite segment is what made Chris mad this week?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, well I'll tell you this. I didn't take me
long to think about it. Of course I didn't, because
I had something that just got on my nerves and
I'm like, come on, people, and I think it applies to.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Everybody who shares.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I know this is a weird thought, but like, if
you're in a household with kids, if you're in a
household with your spouse, this is true for you, right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Or if you have a roommate, okay, right in this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Case, if you live, if you live in a domicile
with another human being.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Or in this case, there's a community shower right at
a church, so I I have.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At share space with other human beings.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, well I'm trying with specifically about showers.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So I actually shower here at the church a few times.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A week, which Chris, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But because there's a we actually work out.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We have a gym here at a church heritage fitness
center by the way, and so and so after most workouts,
I'll bring a change of clothes and I go back there.
Now we have sort of like big huge community shampoos
and you know, liquid soaps and things like that, right
and then uh, and then even there's like like a
(01:54):
bar shop in there too. Now that applies at a
community place if you share shampoos with somebody else at
a gym or something, or a roommate like I said,
or a family you share shampoos. So here's what get
on my nerves, And this is true for everybody. I
cannot get over how every single time I get in
(02:16):
that shower, somebody has used the Irish spring soap.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And they leave, they leave it flipped.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And then there's another one in there and it's like
a sport like axe thing soap, and that lids up.
And then there's a shampoo that is in there. It's
like a community shampoo.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And then and that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Thing just sort of like you sort of press the lid.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Down and like click, it just clips open right, and
that's up.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And that's up right. And so then I'll use it.
I'll go click, click, click, and then I'll you know,
I'll use it. Now. Shut them all and then the
very next time I go to take a shower, they're
up again.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yes, I'm convinced that if there.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Was a cap that's screwed off, the cap would be
on the ground right. And so here's the question. The
question is, how can a human being, any human.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Being, any decent human, any decent human being like flip
oth of the brain in their head, flip open something,
you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean, do they do they leave the kap a
toothpaste if there was toothpaste, probably if it was connected,
they would.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just leave it. O get why.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't know how, because they're not thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're not thinking. Nobody's thinking, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna leave this lid up forget the next person.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Fine, fine, you sold me on that thinking. But it's
well beyond that. That's a small.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Piece of it. It is it is.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
This is the nature of some people, Like they don't
want to close the door behind them, They don't want
to return their shopping cart, they don't want to park
between the lines.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're projecting evil intent on people want as far as
want so so so so, so let me say so.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I was trying politely to say they're slops.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's what I was trying to politely say. I wasn't
trying to put evil.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
They weren't house broke right at their MoMA. Their mama failed.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, I was just saying, like, some people aren't wired
to do to be tidy.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So, so I was in the kitchen and I was cooking. Uh,
I forgot what I was cooking. Oh, a crown roast,
a pork crown roast. You know if the bones I'll
stick up sea Yeah yeah, yeah, it's cooking one of those.
And I'm just going one hundred miles an hour and
my wife comes out and she goes, you don't know
(04:27):
how to close one cabinet door.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh, you leave cabinet doors.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And I turned around and almost every cabinet door was open.
But all's that happened was I need I need a tablespoon,
a kosher salt. I need I need a little bit
of where's the where's the time? Right? I'm thinking what
I need to do, not thinking whatever reason closed that
door closed, that door closed it. I wasn't like you
(04:51):
to difference.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You want to know the difference. If you were the
one at the end of the meal, you would have
not walked away from that kitchen without closing. Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When I was all done, I would have tried on.
Oh my gosh, all the there's the difference because before
I leave a thing, I try to wipe everything down.
I try to look.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You wouldn't leave the soap up flippingly if I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
In the restaurant, wash my hands. I just had a
guy at the airport. I was in the sky club,
Delta sky Club, and went in and washed my hands.
And when I was done, you know, I just take
a little extra paper towel, I'll wipe off the thing
and I goes, oh, no, no, no, that's my job. I said,
that's all of our job. Man, thank you for doing
yours right and wiping out. I just think you're there,
(05:30):
wipe down the water drop list that you had on
the thing, right, you just just kind of cleaned up.
I think that there is something to that. But in
the moment, for me, a lot of times, especially when
I'm cooking, everything's just open, yeah, and it looks like
a bomb.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's fine because you're still in the middle of something, right,
But they're still not showering when I walk in there.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But my wife would say, there are times I'll step
over a thing four times and not even notice it. Okay,
yeah I really do where I just didn't even see it.
But it's it's I have a really I don't think
about things I need to do. I'm thinking about I'm
thinking thoughts, right, ideas, concepts a lot of times, and
(06:10):
so a lot of times I'm just in my head
and everything else is just there, but I'm not seeing
it a lot of times, unless like if I'm walking
through the building here and I'm looking for something, well,
then I see it, Hey, that needs to be repainted,
This needs to be there's a scuff over there, let's
fix that draw. Well, I see that, because now that's
what I'm thinking in the moment, that's what I'm working on.
(06:31):
But if I'm working on something in my head, I'm
oblivious to what's around me.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, it dawns on me that I will probably never
know who else showers and leaves all those caps open,
because I don't care enough to know, right, But I
just want to send the message out there.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know who you are if they listen to the.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Ar right, and who doesn't?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, well, who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But I'm sure everybody on our staff is hanging on
every word we say.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm sure that is not true.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They just don't get enough of us through the rest
of the week. They want to spend another twenty five ans.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Actually, stephf member said that to me. Step member goes, hey,
did you listen to the Bible?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And the staff member said to all the other staff
members and goes, are.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You kidding me? I'm here around him all week long,
That's what he said.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I was like, thanks, Prophet has no honor in his
own town. That's what Jesus said.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So anyway, the bottom line is is listen. It's not
just for the guy here who showers and leaves it up,
or maybe it's multiple people, who knows, but it is
also for the wives, for the husbands, for the children,
for the roommates. Just not only do you need to
close every cap, but then here's an idea, like be
(07:38):
organized in the shower with your empty bott.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Don't be a slob.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But I don't want to say it that way.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Okay, I just did. Okay, So I have this thought
and I've been working on this this year, yep, more,
and I think I said it in January to our staff.
But I have this phrase that I wrote down in
a couple places where I see it, and it says,
the way you do anything is the way you do everything.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I agree with that, right, And so.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I've been trying more and more and more. Change out
the toilet paper roll, don't leave just one one square left,
you know, and the thing throw it away. If you
miss the garbage can, stop, turn around and pick it up.
Put in the garbage can. Just because I think if
I pay attention to more of the details, and I'm
not as fastidious as you are, I'm not as detailed
as you are, but I want to be. And so
(08:28):
I've got that phrase the way you do anything is
the way you do everything, And I'm trying to remind
myself of that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's just quality issues.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's it's it is that way most of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's why I was trying to say earlier, it's the
same person who you know can't park between the lions
or put their shopping cart back, or.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We hate those people.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, I just know, I just think I don't want
to use the word hate, Okay, I'm just saying, like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, I'm just getting excited about that. The rage in
you is coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
The whole segment is what made Chris mad this week.
And so it's just it's it's like it's like contagious.
Well and plus fight him now? And does does shampoo
go bad? I don't know. Well, I think it's a
little bit of water.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I want to go find let's let's let's just go around,
let's interrogate hm. Let's get a big bright light. I
will grab one of these lights from the show, say.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Did you do it? Do you know who did it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I just realized we went like a minute and a
half over.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I was excited about it. Sorry, Okay, talk about
other things I'm excited about. In Colossians chapter two, yes,
it's talking about freedom from the rules and new life
in Christ, which is similar to the passage we read
yesterday about the law. So this is the same guy.
Now he's writing to the church in Colossie, which is
(09:43):
in Greece, and he they they have a problem in
their church of people who want to say, yes, Jesus
is enough for salvation, but you also have to keep
all these other religious rituals, so you can't go to heaven, right,
And so he's kind of busting their chops on that,
(10:04):
particularly with regard to the Jewish Christians who were demanding
that you maintain all of the religious holidays and that
you maintained circumcision, right, which was.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Because their whole lives.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And so Paul's mission in life was to bring in gentiles,
those who did not grow up doing all the Jewish practices.
And and it almost seems like to me when I
read it, I get a I attach an attitude to
it of all the Jewish people like, hey, I worked.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Really hard to get here.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah. Well, you know, we still carry a lot of
our cultural predispositions in and so the Jewish Men were
raised to look down on the gentile men, who you're gross,
you're not circumcised, and and they're they're bathing places, they're gymnasiums,
they're they're you were in that Roman town in northern
(10:54):
Israel right where.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They uh something you no, no bet?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, And they had public bathhouses, they had public restrooms
that were wide open. In fact, all the seats were
right along the edge of the thing. It was funny, right, Uh.
And it was just all public and open. As a
matter of fact, that's where we get the phrase doing
your business is there they would go and they would
do business while they were in the bathroom. So it's
so funny. So uh, nudity was a lot more public, right,
(11:27):
men with men, women with women, but it was more public.
And so the Jewish men were taught and the boys
were taught those are dogs if they're not circumcised like us. Right,
that's that's h and so so so it's hard sometimes
even though I've been saved and I've been redeemed and
I've been pulled out of all of the cultural things.
(11:51):
It's still deep in me, my family and the way
that we grew up is so I didn't grow up
that way, right. That's a lot of this is what
they're dealing with in Calautionans chapter two. So he says,
and now just as this is verse six, and now,
just as you accepted Christ as your lord, you must
continue to follow him. Let your roots grow down deep
into him, and let your lives be built on him.
(12:14):
And then your faith will grow strong in the truth
you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness. There's
that gratefulness thing all the time. See it's the key.
Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high
sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the
spiritual powers of this world. He's talking about family tradition
and social tradition rather than from Christ. For in Christ,
(12:37):
for in Christ lives all the fullness of God in
a human body. So you also are complete through your
union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler
and authority. When you came to Christ, you were quote
unquote circumcised, but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed
a spiritual circumcision, cutting away of your sinful nature. For
(12:58):
you were buried with Christ, and you were baptized, and
with him you were raised new life because you trusted
the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead.
You were dead because of your sins, and because of
your sinful nature was not yet cut away. And then
God made you alive with Christ. For He forgave all
our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against
(13:20):
us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
In this way he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities.
He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on
the cross. So don't let anyone condemn you for what
you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy
days or moon ceremonies or sabbaths, For these rules are
only shadows of the reality to come, and Christ himself
(13:43):
is that reality. Don't let anyone condemn you by insisting
on pious self denial or the worship of angels, saying
they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds
have made them proud, and they are not connected to
Christ the head of the body, for he holds the
whole body together with his joints and ligaments, and it
grows as God nourishes it. You've died with Christ, and
(14:03):
yet yet he has set you free from the spiritual
powers of this world. So why do you keep on
following the rules of the world, such as don't handle,
don't handle, don't taste, don't touch. Such rules are mere
human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.
These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion,
pious self denial, and severe bodily discipline, but they provide
(14:25):
no help in conquering a person's evil desires. That's good man,
So he's getting after it. But the promise that we're
reading today is thirteen verse thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So verse thirteen says you were dead because of your
sins and because of your sinful nature, and because your
sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made
you alive with Christ, and he forgave all of your sins.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think the next one, too, can be part of
that promise. He canceled the record of the charges against
us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah that's really good.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, and uh, you know, I I like the you know,
when Jesus sometimes talks about sin, he talks about the
leaven of the Pharisees, and then therefore you're forced to
think about the visual image of of yeast right inside bread.
I like that visual image better than this comparison of sin.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, that death or circumcisions.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Circum He's like, it's like throwing away for his skin.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's like, oh, thanks for that visual Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So circumcision was how what was the defining element for
the Jewish religion, right that and their sacrifices, and so
the men had a lot of pride in it and
took a lot of pride in it, although it made
it difficult to recruit new Jews.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yes, if you got saved later on in life, if
he became a Jew or yeah, excuse.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Me, yeah, became a Jew leader in life.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, that's there's a there's a lot
of requirement.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Now it's goad to be all in. Yeah, exactly. And
it's interesting, you know, this is an important thing to men,
and so God says, hey, your sexuality is very important
to me, and so that that was the whole point.
But I think it's interesting here that he connects now
spiritual circumcision to baptism, and this is why Christians would
(16:17):
view Now, Paul says, everybody can get baptized, right, and
so whether it's Jew or Greek or whatever. And so
it's kind of the new symbol. It's the outward symbol
of what Jesus did on the inside. Circumcision was supposed
to be an outward symbol of what God was doing
on the inside, and that was that I've surrendered everything
to him, everything to him. Right, And now he says, hey,
(16:38):
this baptism thing demonstrates that. He says, you can't do
it on your own. You're only right with God. What
did it say? So, you're also complete through your union
with Christ, who has head over every ruler and authority.
So it says that we can't do it in our
own body. Only Christ, who lives in Christ lives all
(16:58):
the fullness of God and human He says, So now
you're complete, not through yourself or through your own behaviors,
but through the fact that you're in Christ. So then
this is why baptism is like modern day circumcision. He says,
when you go under the water, you're buried with Christ
in the likeness of his death, and when you come
up out of the water, you're raised to walk in
a brand new life. And he said, so, this is why,
(17:22):
for now two thousand years, Christians have viewed baptism in
a similar way. It's the defining symbol of the It's
the outward symbol of what Christ has done for us
on the inside, similar to how the Jews would have
viewed circumcision.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, and how he says, hey, you're so, He's almost
saying to them, you're so demanding that everybody performed the
ritual of circumcision. And what I'm telling you is there
is a spiritual circumcision that has happened, right, And he's
talking about the mechanism of salvation. And by the way,
that is not unlike the Book of Hebrews when everybody
was talking about the rituals of the temple, and the
(17:58):
writer of Hebrews is like, I get news for you.
Jesus is the high priest. Jesus is the sacrifice, You
are the temple. All those things that were that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
We were a part of growing up. Jesus has fulfilled
all of those things.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And what he's really saying is Jesus has fulfilled the
requirement for circumcision, right, and then, yeah, I like the idea.
I don't think i've ever heard, by the way, anybody
say that they thought, perhaps baptism is sort of the
new outward symbol, just like circumcision was.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, he's tying them together right here.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just I just never and I never looked at
it as a substitute.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, it's it's it's a replace, it's a right, a
religious right, right or practice that we're doing that demonstrates
outwardly the fact that our sins have been washed away,
as opposed to and he says, as opposed to being
your sins cut away, you since been washed away.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, the reason why I said that I never thought
of it as a replacement is because back when you
became a you in the Old Testament, there still was
a self baptismal ritual, right, there was a self cleansing rituals, right,
But baptism when John the Baptist came on the sea.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was a purification ritual.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, purification ratue.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, where baptism isn't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That Yeah, Well that's sort of the history of baptism though, right,
It was sort of rooted in that ritual of because
the symbolism behind the purification ritual was I'm washing away
my old self, my old sins, my old affiliation, right,
and I'm cleansing myself.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, I think that the idea of washing away the
old affiliation is a Roman thing, not a Jewish thing.
The Jewish thing was I couldn't go into the holier places,
the temple without without the purification thing. It was all
health issues. So all the purification rules for the Jews
were not symbolic. They were symbolic in that now we
(19:51):
look back at them and we see them, but in
their practice they had to. That's why a leper who
got healed had to go wash himself before he went
into the temple to show the priests that have been healed. Right,
they had to. That's why a woman every month had
to go through the purification process, right, because there was
a shedding of blood all those things. That's why you
couldn't touch if you touched a body, a dead body,
(20:12):
you had to purify yourself. It was always a physical
cleansing in order to be able to go into the
temple because that's where all the people gathered and what
God was doing was he was holding back disease in
a place that had so much blood, right, tons of blood,
So he was pushing back the disease stuff. It's why
he tells them where to bury their excrement. He tells
(20:34):
them everything, right, It's always about keeping back the disease.
That's why the Jews were so healthy. So it wasn't
symbolic like if you joined the Jews, what you were
doing is maybe taking your first bath, right, you're cleaning
up to go do it now. Symbolically, we understand there's
way more to it because as Christians, we see that
the Romans did do that. The Roman soldiers would because
(20:55):
they had guys that were from different villages and tribes
and groups, and they were oftentimes subscribed into the military,
right they were forced into the military. Sometimes after they
got through their training, they would go to a baptism,
washing away their old identities and having a new identity.
So I think sometimes preachers will confuse the two rituals.
(21:21):
But it's the fact that the Jews had a washing,
the Romans had a washing, I think is why Jesus chose, Hey,
this washing thing is the thing, but the Romans was
I'm washing away the old life, the Jews were, I'm
getting clean in order to go before God. Okay, yeah,
does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah yeah, I just knew it was a part of the.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Ritualistic you had to jump through all those hoops and
surgery being the hardest among them.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yes, right, yes, And so he says, he says, it's
like a spiritual cutting away. And now baptism is that
you were dead and now you're alive. And that's the
amazing thing. So understand this, this is what I really
wanted our listeners to hear. Listen to me. We went
to some other things, got distracted a little bit. It's
call all good stuff. But understand, everybody you see who
(22:10):
is not has not placed their faith and trust in
Jesus Christ, is dead. They are the walking dead. Their
body is breathing, their cells are going through all of
the things necessary for life, their brain is functioning on
some level, but they are dead spiritually. We are literally
looking at the walking dead. And our job, he said,
(22:32):
go everywhere and tell everyone. Our job as Christians, as
ambassadors for Christ, is to raise the dead. Right now,
they can only come alive through Christ, through what the
Holy Spirit does in them. But this is the mission
we're on as everybody is dead in their sin. You
before you met Jesus were dead in your sin. Everything
you did was leading to death. And now because of Christ,
(22:55):
we have the hope of eternal life. And so this
is the mission we're on to. He's the debt, which
is a fun job.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So so the promise that we were dead in our
sins and we're alive in Christ, and and he forgave
us of all of our sins. Again, it's every single.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Day this week.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And in this case, he's talking to people who perhaps
think that you need to carry, you know, with you
more rules, rules from the past. Yeah, this is how
I grew up. You know, it's Christ, It's Jesus plus something. Yes, right,
So let's just be real clear. So the Bible says
that the only thing to get to heaven is Jesus
(23:35):
plus nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, right, So we we we just taught.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mentioned earlier this week that we lesson and I
taught one on one class and a lot of times
what we do is we open up for questions, and
we had a lot of questions and there were some
questions about you know, is baptism or requirement to get
to heaven, you know, is which is a lot of
times in that in this class, right, And and so
it's like, you want to be really clear, the Bible
(23:59):
is own best commentary. Every verse that talks about salvation
says that it's just Jesus alone. And again, you have
to imagine if they grew up their entire lives saying
you must do these things to be holy, you must
jump through all of these hoops and obey this, you know,
and traditionally every year these are so important. In fact,
(24:21):
your whole social life revolved around a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Of these things, right, And he's.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Saying, like, no more is it really necessarily required to
get into heaven? And everybody who grew up not your
way is invited and can also get into heaven. And
so I can understand the need of saying, well, they
need to be more religious like me, or they need
to be you know, study the scriptures and memorized and
do these practices. And I think that sometimes we can
(24:48):
be guilty of that as well, because a non denominational
church like we are, we do have people from different backgrounds, right,
I Mean, we're pretty like minded, but there are people
who come in and said, I grew up differently, right,
and you have to do it this way. And what
they're really saying is this is how I know church, right,
(25:09):
I grew up and you know. And some lady just
asked me in the lobby, she said, she said, I
can't get over the fact that there's no cross, you know,
And I says, well, we bring crosses out on the
stage from times.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
She walked under a forty seven foot cross to get
in the building.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Our whole steeple and sign is a forty seven foot cross.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah. Yeah, but she wants she wants some kind of icony.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, Jesus on the cross.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah. So that idea is baptism will cover this very quickly.
Is baptism required for salvation? It's very interesting. Even in
this passage, he says, for you were buried with Christ
when you were baptized, and with him you were raised
to new life. Right, Oh, so baptism must be how
I get raised to new life. Nope, because you trusted
(25:55):
the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead. Right.
Faith is embedded right in the Baptist verse, Right, right, right.
So you don't go to heaven because you got baptized.
You go to heaven because you trusted the mighty power
of God in Christ to raise him from the dead,
right right. So then baptism is just an evidence of
the fact that you've placed your trust, you've believed in.
(26:15):
So now I'm getting baptized like he did to evidence
as evidence of the fact that I believe in. Right,
So the belief is what saves me because you trusted
or because you believed the mighty power of God.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's a good place to end in.
So good stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So hey, thanks for being with us this week and
hopefully we will see you on Monday on the Bible Guys,
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