June 11, 2025 • 56 mins
Special Guest Medium and Podcaster of Magic Is Real, Shannon Torrence. An amazing episode discussing what she does and the world beyond our own.
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
Pon perfect All right, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of The Big Grimbowski. And as I promised on
the last episode, is that I would have somebody on
(02:13):
relatively soon. Well, here is that someone. You may have
heard her before if you have listened to Meta Mysteries.
Her name is Shannon Torrence.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
How you doing, Shannon, I'm doing great, Thank you. How
are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Not too bad. It's it's hot out, so I'm I'm
a little warm. But luckily this a season these campers
work pretty.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, I'm so glad to hear it. I'm in LA
and it's actually cold and rainy.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So we're about to get some rain. We got a
some of your thunderstorm on the way sometime to this afternoon,
this evening.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I think coofings down a bit.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yes, definitely, it's it's it's humid. I woke up this
morning and it was it was pretty humid.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I love it. I love humidity. I'm an East Coast girl.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, I like the coast like I would live in
North Carolina. Answer any day of the week.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
An.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
The first time I ever the ocean was in Holden Beach.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh, okay, yeah, I love North Carolina. It's beautiful. I
almost moved there. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Oh it's absolutely good.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah yeah, I ended up in LA and I'm happy
about it.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hell yeah. So anyone who hasn't heard of you before,
let's tell them what you do and what you're all about.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Okay, I just realized I'm drinking. If this is something
that's being viewed and not just audio, it would just
be audio. It would just be audio. Well, that looks
really cool. I'm drinking out of a third eye mug
right now. I am Shannon, and I am a psychic medium,
an evidential psychic medium. I have a podcast called Magic
is Real where I interview near death experiencers and other
(03:53):
people about their spiritually transformative experiences. And so I'm a
voice actor as well. That's my other that's my main profession.
But I have opened to the world of spirituality just
probably about like five years ago. Everything kind of opened
up in that realm for me definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So like I first saw you on one of the
live episodes of Meta Mysteries, and I just so happened to,
you know, be able to pop in that that night,
And I mean I wasn't I wasn't ready for what
was going on. I had no idea what was going on.
First of all, like I had no idea you were
coming on there or anything of the sort. And then
I just walked in, like, you know, probably like twenty
(04:38):
minutes after you guys had started, and I was like, oh, okay,
But like immediately I could tell as soon as I
came in, like my whole body started like vibrating, and
I could tell that there was there was some energetic
shift that had happened, and I was like, Okay, we're
onto something. Here, and that was that was a pretty
awesome episode, especially for you know, for Sean and like
(05:00):
some of the messages that you were giving him, and
I mean, it was It's crazy when these things will
actually correlate with something and there's no like, you can't,
you can't explain it. You just can't. It's just it
is what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I know, Yeah, I know a lot of people. In fact,
last night I just saw some video on YouTube that
said are all psychics fake? And I felt compelled to write, no,
psychics are fake because we're all psychics, they're all mediums.
We're all energetic beings, so we all have the ability
to connect with each one another's energy but also the
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energy of the entire universe. So and so there's a
lot of talk about like, oh, you're like people have
nobody that I know. But sometimes on YouTube or whatever,
people will be like, oh, you're you're you're conning people,
you're scamming people, you're taking advantage of people in grief.
They obviously don't know me because it's the last thing
I ever do. But what I've found out from studying
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mediumship myself because I was curious about it, is that
literally you're a medium. I'm a medium. You just have
to believe in it, and you have to have an
interest in it because it is something that takes time
to develop. It's a skill to hone if you want to.
And the only difference between you and me is I've
just literally devoted years to practicing tuning into those frequencies
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that we can't see. So when people say that this
is a topic that's supernatural or paranormal, I say it's
very natural and normal. And our society, especially American society,
not Native American. Native Americans know what's up. They've always
known and that's why they're so tuned in because it
was just part of their culture to understand that this
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is not all there is. The material world is not
all that we can see. And so to me, you
don't have to believe in it. If it doesn't align
for you, if it doesn't resonate with you, that's totally fine.
And also I wouldn't judge somebody because to you that
seems fantastical when you haven't experienced it yourself. And so
(07:10):
to me, what I learned is mediumship. Isn't that I
want to say, It isn't that fancy Because I used
to watch those shows like The Long Island Medium, I
still do. I love I love them, Tyler Henry and
Matt Fraser. These are all some really really Kim Russo,
John Edward, they all have these really great shows.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Remember up as.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Me Too, So Me Too? And I would watch it
with my mom and I was even that I was
it was like something we did together. And I at
some point some article came out about him that now
I know was false, but they were saying, oh, the
producers came into those people's houses and dug around in advance,
and that's how they found out all this information. And
(07:51):
then I was like, oh, man, what a disappointment because
that was before the Internet. Because I'm that I'm that
old where you just kind of believe. I'm like, oh, well,
that's disappointing that it was sort of debunked. So I
kind of went into a phase of atheism in my life.
But that was college. So I was smoking cigare, smoking menthols,
listening to Alice in Chains. I was very sort of
(08:13):
angsterridden and depressed and I just kind of said, well,
you die and turn to dust, that's all there is.
And I and it was a really depressing frame of
mind to be in. But that's where I was at
the time, so I was for sure cynical and lodge
and also like, no, I don't now, I don't know
that that's really true, but I've watched I watched all
those shows, and I thought those people were just born.
(08:36):
Like later on, you know, I opened up to it again.
Those people are just born with this particular gift or
and to a degree they were, because as long as
you have hands and muscles that work and the brain
capacity to do it, you can learn how to play piano.
But not everybody's chopin. You know, some people are born
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geniuses and that's just the way that their brains are.
So it's this thing in mediumship. We can all do
this work, we can all learn it. In fact, I
teach it and in the middle of teaching a workshop
right now on how to develop your medium ship. But
I always thought, Okay, they just have to be special,
they just have to be born this way. And I
(09:17):
also imagined that they like in the Ghost Whisper or
whatever or those shows on TV that like, being a
medium was like the sixth sense, where you like see
things and you you're constantly experiencing all of these like
really wild events, and that can be true for some people.
Some people can see spirit with their naked eyes. Some
(09:40):
people do hear voices disembodied. That's not how I work,
and that's not how I learned to do mediumship. And
I would actually welcome some of it. But I think
spirit knows that i'd freak out if I actually were
to see them because I'm too sensitive. So I've asked
them like, I want to see you, and I think
they kind of no, no, no. All you need to do
(10:01):
is rely on your senses. And so we have these senses,
all of we, all of us do the sixth sense.
It's not magical, it's one of our senses. It's the
sense that allows us to perceive danger. So back in
the day when we were in herds and communities, there
had to be the watchers in the group. So I know,
(10:23):
I identify as a highly sensitive person. Apparently fifteen percent
of the population are highly sensitive people. And so you've
got your hunters, You've got different roles to play within
the herd for survival. So what is that thing that
you even if someone doesn't make a sound, you know
they're standing behind you. It's there is energy there. You
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feel it, even if they're dead quiet, you know you're
being watched. You're turning your head and you're feeling that.
How do animals know there's going to be an earthquake?
So like I know that being a highly sensitive person,
my job was the watcher, uh and that's why I'm
a height more heightened sense senses. But it doesn't mean
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that the people who aren't the watchers can't also do that.
It's just that they might have been gift that they
that might just not be their role in the herd
to be as sensitive. So you have people that are
just on a spectrum of sensitivity. But the other thing
it takes, as I said, is just trust, belief spit,
Like you just have to know it's real and then
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you can tap into it, because if if you're not
a complete skeptic, I think every one of us has
a story about something unexplainable that happened, like whether you
saw a quote unquote ghost or whether you had a
dream and then it came true, like for example, have
you had I mean, can you think of something off
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the top.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of the Oh, I've got I got plenty yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, Because I'd love to hear one if you have.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, So I've been a paranormal with an investigator for
a long time. So, like I said, oh, I love
that growing up seeing John Edwards ghost Hunters and then
Ghost Adventurers came in these TV shows paranormal state things
like that, and you know, it was it was very
interesting to me. So, like, I've had a lot of
weird things from some very small ages that has happened
(12:18):
to me over the years, but like some of them
have been pretty profound. Once, so one quick one when
my grandmother, my mom's mom, when she passed away. That night,
we were all at my grandparents' house. She was in
the hospital. We knew that she wasn't doing too good.
They said that, hey, she's probably not going to make
(12:38):
it through the night, just so you guys are prepared. Okay, Well,
probably about three three thirty in the morning, she had
passed away. So I'm in a dead sleep on the
couch out in the living room. They had this clock
that my uncle, who retired from NASA, by the way,
but that's a whole different conversation. He had got them
(13:02):
this clock that also had this attachment piece that you
would stick on to a window and it would read
barometric pressures. It could tell you all these different weather
things because before NASA he was a meteorologist, so like
this was during his time as a meteorologists when he
had done this. This thing as long as they had
to have it, never never made a single sound, never,
(13:24):
not one beep, nothing that night, probably within Oh, I
want to say, it was really it was really strange.
I want to say, I'm trying to think of which one.
If we got the phone call first, or this thing
went off first. Either way it was one of the two,
but they were in very close succession to each other,
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and we couldn't get this thing to turn off. This
thing started beeping like crazy, absolutely crazy, and it was
very weird. So that was, you know, one thing. And
my parents actually still have that thing today sitting right
behind the washing the dryer in the laundry room and
there's a window right there. It's never made a single sound.
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I've never heard of make a single sound since then.
Super crazy. Okay, Yeah, So a few more years ago
down the road, I'm about sixteen seventeen. At this point
in time, my family house, I was living in the attic.
I wanted a bigger room. The attic was much bigger
compared to my room, so I started cleaning it out,
and I was living up there for a while. So
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one night in particular, probably through between three three thirty
it's always open that time frame for whatever reason, and
I woke up and at the foot of my bed
was a man standing and looking over top of the stereo,
which the stereo came from Vietnam. My father had a
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friend that got shipped over there during Vietnam, and he
was at a market and he had seen this thing.
So it's like one of them old two vamped ones.
It had two cassette decks on there, the radio was
on there, it had the record player on top of it,
and it came with two gigantic speakers. I mean absolutely
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gigantic speakers. It was three thousand dollars over here in
the States during that timeframe. His buddy pocketed it for
seven hundred and sent it back to my dad, like
absolutely super cheap, and like even the shipping it was
super cheap. So he had this thing, he hadn't used
it in years. I got old of it. I was
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tech savvy. I figured out attachments that I could add
on to this thing where I could take my Walkman
portable CD player and then I could attach this thing
to it and then plug that to it, and I
could listen to all of my CDs through this thing.
So I'm kind of thinking that it's my dad, very
similar looking, kind of saying build. But there was things
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that was all up and I didn't really it didn't
make any sense to me at the time, Like it
didn't dawn on me that, oh, hey, this man is
much taller than my father. He's got a much bigger
beard than my father, and he wasn't nearly as big
as my dad is. But I thought it was him,
and I thought maybe he thought that I left the
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stereo on or something like that. And I'm like, what
are you doing? And he turns, he looks at me,
doesn't say anything. Nothing is registering in my head at
this point in time. So he starts leaning down, hand out,
trying to touch me, and I was on my side
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and I took my arm and I flung it and
I was like, would you knock the hell off? And
I didn't hit anything. I should have hit a hand forearm.
I should have hit something. I hit nothing. I jumped
up very quickly when I realized that I didn't make
contact and there was no one that the room was empty.
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It was just me. So here's where it gets a
little more interesting. So the next day I'm telling my parents.
My mom's freaking out. She's ready, she's got the phone
in her hands, she's ready to call the police station
because she thinks that someone's broken into her house and
she needs to make a report this and that. Dad's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Listen to yourself. You mean to tell me that someone
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came in through the side door, went all the way
through the kitchen, all the way through the living room,
passed me and the dog, and then went upstairs on
the creakiest set of steps ever and then somehow within
thirty seconds, was down the steps and out the door
without a single sound. Knowing that that don't make no sense,
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so to say, okay, let's tell me what you what
you saw. And I was like, okay, figure guy, you know,
heavier set, white T shirt, big black beard, which my
dad doesn't grow his beard out, he keeps it. And
he goes He just starts like shaking his head as
I'm giving him all these these details, and he goes you.
(18:08):
You never you never met JR? Did you? And I
was like, uh, your old roommate. And he goes yeah,
I go no, huh, I've never seen any pictures of JR.
You guys have never shown me, and I have no
idea what he looks like. He goes you, uh, you
ascribed him to Tee. He died before when I was born.
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He died in a motorcycle crash. He had a suicide
clutch and he was coming around a curve, went to
grab that clutch, hit a pothole and it sent him
over the handlebars, snapped his neck upon impact, so like
it was a it was a you know, pretty quick
death for him. But he said these these things to
my father before he died. He said, one, you don't
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ever want this stereo anymore. I will take this stereo
for you because he loved it. He loved it. He
took more care of it than my father did, and
like so like he was changing the needle on the
record all the time, cleaning it, dustin it, this and that.
But then the other thing he told him was if
you ever have a son, I'm always going to be
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there for him no matter what.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh my god, you are like that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, So like I I still I've been saying
for a while, like I need to figure out like
where he was buried at and and go there and
be able to visit that. But that's the only experience
I had involving him. I mean, I did a lot
of you know, paranormal investigations at places, and I've had
you know, strange encounters, but like apparition wise, that's that's
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the that's the biggest thing that you know, as as
has ever happened to me, and I can't, I can't
explain it. And I'm also at the same time one
of those people that's like, oh man, I really wish
I would have more encounters happened, like I already haven't.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And no, I know, because if it were happening all
the time, we would never like we're supposed to be
here in this Earth. We're supposed to be here. And
this comes from like the hundreds of people I've interviewed
that have died and come back, right, this is called
this is earth school. So we do need to be
present in the three D world for a reason, and
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not that we aren't. We're just very curious, right because
I'm the same I'm always looking for. My podcast is
called Magic is Real because once I found out that
these things, once I've discovered for myself is what I
wanted to say, that this is in my mind. There's
no doubt in my mind, this is real, like that
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these things actually exist, and that things that were told
our fantasy are actually very real and very normal. We
just dismissed them as fantasy a lot of the time.
But once I found that out, I every day became
magic to me because now I can see things synchronicities,
for example, that are just insane. I don't believe that
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there are coincidences. I think that, I mean, there are
things that happen right, So I think, for example, there
are sometimes a bird in your yard is just a bird,
and then sometimes like so if it's like you might
see a bird a certain bird if it's yeah, And
someone asked me once like, well, how do you know
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when it's a sign? And I and I said, I'll
tell you the simple answer. You just know because if
you're sometimes a blue jay just flies by your window, fine,
but then sometimes you've been thinking about your grandma or
you you just that bird comes and sits on the
windowsill for a really long amount of time and you
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just know automatically that's Grandma, that's her. That's how you know,
because you just know it. That's what we call clare cognizance,
where we have different senses, so we have clairvoyance, which
is where we see. And some people, as I said,
can see spirit like you did. And it doesn't even
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and maybe that was just because he wanted to show
himself to you so badly that he made himself visible.
You didn't do anything to try to see him. But
clearly you have an ability to see it's there, and
that's clear. And clairvoyance, though, for me, is when you
think of something in your mind's eye, so or you
see something in your mind's eye. So if I tell
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you to think of a pineapple, as long as you
have sight, as long as you were born with sight,
and you know what a pineapple looks like, and some
people have difficulty with that. It's a there's a sort
of a different kind of a brain, like a neuro
divergent brain that can't visualize things, but it's pretty rare.
So you can imagine a pineapple and if I ask you, okay,
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but and you're like yeah, I see it, But where
do you see it? It's you just and then you
think about it. You're like, I, actually, I don't even know,
but I can totally visualize it. That's where I see
the information that I get. So I see it as
like you know, I'll just I'll just like focus in
on it, like what is actually happening behind the scenes,
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like I'm seeing like if i'm if I'm tapping into
what's behind my eyes kind of it's like, oh, I
might see like a refrigerator. I don't know if that's
just what I saw. When I'm like, show me something
a refrigerator, I'm opening up a refrigerator and there's like
rotten food in it or something, you know. And so
I might say to my client like like, hey, did
you just recently, like did your a refrigerator go off
or off offline or something? Did offline? You know, did
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did like you just have spoiled food in your refrigerator.
It's because I somehow I see it and I have
an idea of it, and then you have clear sentience,
which is clear feeling. So if the way that I
can tell how someone passed is I'll say, how did
you pass? And then I might feel feel like, oh
there's something or or or something that they might have
had a health issue. I might say, oh, I can
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feel ringing in this person's ears. So theydus I used
to say tonightis people have told me it's tindus. And
then there's So there's Clarcentians Clerk Gustians is where you
might taste something so I have the impression of eating
oatmeal cookies like oh my gosh, yeah, I can taste
like I can remember what the taste is. And then
there's uh Claire. So there's clairvoyance, Clarcentians, Claire cognizance where
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you just know I don't know how I know it.
I just know that your grandfather's name is Roger, or
that you went to or that your parents sent you
to boarding school because you were on drugs. I'm just
making you know whatever's coming to me. It's like I
just know that you went to like military school. I
don't know how I know that. It's almost like a
memory is if you told me that. So the key
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is to bring all of the senses together. Claire. Audience
is where you hear something. So when I hear a name,
it might be Roger like in my ear, not in
my ear, in my head. It's almost like I'm thinking
about it. So the key is and this is where
the practice comes in, is practic saying all blending them
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all together so that it becomes cohesive. So then I
can be like, okay, you're you know your your dad's
on the other side. His name is Mitchell. I believe
I can see an American flag, so I know he
was like a patriotor like in the military or something.
And it's like, and I can tell that he had something.
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I can sort of feel that there was something to
do with his right ear, and then I can also
uh some visualizing, but I also have this knowing that
somehow he pastor really young. And then when i'm and
then I might see, as you said, like a motorcyclist.
I'm like, okay, well then he passed in a motorcycle accident.
But then I might see a football helmet and be like, okay,
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I don't know what that means. So feel into it.
What is that he loved football? He played football, he
you know, And then I have to kind of okay,
I think it's a feeling of it's football is really
important to him. So you have to kind of feel
into all of them, and then over time it just
becomes second nature so that you're not having to overthink it.
It's kind of a long explanation you didn't ask for,
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but just drawing on how we do mediumship and psychic
work is we all of these things are happening, and
then we're trusting it. And that's the and I tattooed
trust on my wrist so that I would remember that.
Don't doubt it. Just say what comes to your head, right,
because it's going to feel like you're making it up,
but you know you're not making it up when the
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person says, actually, I do have someone named Mitchell and
he was really patriotic and or fourth of July is
really important or something of that nature.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Right, And like, so I'm somebody who I'm very you know, empathic.
So if I'm I'm you know, physically around around somebody
and they are not in any type of good mood whatsoever,
you know, a high anxiety, I will start feeling that
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coming through my pores. And I mean it can it
can be you know, pretty pretty intense and times you know,
it's anger, things like these. So it's like I try
to try to stay away from different kinds of situations
like that, because then like I already have anxiety myself,
so like this just you know, will will add on
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to it, and you know, I'm just kind of like
I can't, I can't. I can't do that, And it
gets hard sometimes, especially like you know, when you're around
like all different people all day long, and you know,
at work, this and that is people you come into
contact with and just different situations and you're just like, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to walk away. Like I
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ran into a situation yesterday and I'm gonna dive into
what exactly had happened. But I was just kind of like, oh,
I can I can feel what's going on right here
right now, and I'm gonna have to walk away. So
I did because I was just like I can't, I can't.
I can't deal with this right now, uh you know.
So and then another thing, I do have a lot
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of dreams that will be actual dreams that come true.
And I've been having these things since I was very
very young. I have a lot of and I remember
almost every single one that I've ever had since like
the age of five. So one, at the age of five,
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I was just sitting in the backseat of my parents' car.
We were driving through Fort Wayne, Indiana. We were driving
through this specific area, just down this block. Later on
it happened. I don't know any significance to this or
to this area. What what? Why? Why would I would
have been shown this? Okay, So another one, I say,
(28:46):
I'm in middle school. I had a dream that I
was at a bowling alley and there was people with me,
but I could not see their faces. So it was
kind of like you know when you're watching cops or
something and they have somebody's face blurred out because they
didn't have like permission to do that. So all three
people in the stream their faces I could not see.
(29:08):
I could hear them. I could hear the conversations, all
the stuff. Turns out, later on I meet this girl,
start dating her, and one of the first times that
we hung out, we went to a bowling alley with
her sister and her dad and it was it was them,
it was all of them, and I knew right then
(29:31):
and there I dreamt this. I have dreamt this, and
so like you know, since then, I just I'll have
like little like random things. Another one in high school,
just me and a couple of my buddies. We had
went to a paranormal location that's by where I currently live,
and we came back into town. We sat in this
(29:51):
parking lot late at night. We were just sitting there,
just goofing around and stuff, and that was it. I've
had other ones where it's just you know, I'm at work,
I'm doing something at work, and on this all of
a sudden, I'm like, yep, I had this woman in
dream already and I know this, So I just kind
of take that is you're going in the way that
(30:12):
you're supposed to be going, whether whether I whether I
know where that path is leading me. Obviously this is
the path that I'm supposed to be on. Why else
would I be seeing this ahead of time? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yes, And there's also what I think is like collective
like collective consciousness, where because my understanding is that we
literally when we say we're all one, it's not just
some hippie thing to say, it's like we literally literally
literally are this blob of energy, but we're just separated
for this experience on Earth into these different bodies. So
(30:47):
you are me and I'm you, and all we are
is reflections of each other and me and different ways
of experiencing the world. You know, I'm a woman, you're
a man. Uh for example, just you come in Indiana,
I'm in La. We have we just have different experiences
of this, this this experience. But I had so nine
(31:10):
to eleven, I was I knew nothing about world events
at the time, and I had a dream one night
that I was in New York City and I was
there were all these tall buildings and there were bombs
coming down, and I was running through these buildings and
I woke up. My heart was pounding, and I called
my mom and said, I had the most vivid, scary
(31:31):
dream that I was in like New York and I
was running and we were being attacked by Iraq in
the dream, which wasn't who attacked us, but the fact
is there was an involvement. And at the time, I
was like early twenties, I'm working like in an off
I'm just have some like sort of really sheltered life.
(31:52):
I wasn't listening to what was happening in the news.
I wasn't aware of things in the news. And the
next morning I was married at the time, and my
husband's like and I both woke up and were like,
I can't sleep. I wonder why, Like we were up
at like four am. And then the phone rang back
when you'd have like a phone a landline, and one
(32:13):
of his friends was like, turn on the news and
I and when I told my mom about the dream,
she goes, well, that could never happen, like we're you know,
we're protected, and also Iraq wouldn't attack us. And she
told me all the reasons why it wouldn't make sense.
But then when I saw it on the news and
then I saw the people running through the buildings, I
was like, that's what I was dreaming about. I just
(32:34):
didn't know the detail. I didn't understand the full depth
of the world events that led to this or whatever.
But I definitely dreamed about it. And we both woke
up just like at four in the morning, just like
this feeling of something. And so I think, and I
hear that from so many people who also had either
premonitions or tapping into that energy. And I always wonder too,
(32:59):
like are we tapped into you know how there's no
time on the other side, so are we like sort
of our spiritselves are sort of seeing it happening everything everywhere,
all at once, and it's almost like we're we're either
not remembering it, but we're everything's happening at the same time,
so we're tapping into it.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yes, it's actually just went over that in the last
episode on Dolores Cannon, and I was just, you know,
just saying that I believe that time is relative to us,
like we we created the concept, and I think that
we get hung up as humans a lot on that
(33:38):
because we do everything by time, you know, when we
go to when we go to sleep, when we get
up in the morning, when we go to work, when
we do all the things throughout our day. It's everything
is all time based, time based, time based, and we
always worry about that. But yet I think that everything
is happening all at once, so we're you know, time
(34:01):
the future, present, and past simultaneously. And I believe that's
why that, you know, if we've not actually figured out
how to travel through time, that would be the reason
why we wouldn't be able to. It's because it's not
that we're trying to reverse time to go back to
(34:22):
another period. It's happening all at once, so not only
would you would have to shift into that specific timeline
compared to ours, because you know, I see it as
like three strings that are all in the road. They're
all going the same direction as each other, and you
(34:43):
don't see an ending or an end because they're it's
it's all, it's all one. It's still you see three strings,
but it's all one string.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Yeah, there is no path to go back to rights now. Yeah,
So in fact, we already are time traveling. We are
already it's already the past and the future and then
now all at one time, which is so wild to
think about.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Right, So, like you know, you can even like tie
into you know, CERN and things that CERN's currently you know,
doing and messing with, and it's like what if they
what if they do do something that's going to just
all of a sudden completely shatter our current reality and
existence because we're trying to figure out this whole time
(35:33):
deal and all these other things, and we only know
so much about the quantum realm and the things that
are that are in there. So like I mean, the
possibilities are always endless, always endless.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah. And the whole thing about the you've seen JR.
Is like it's so crazy because, like I understand the
way that I communicate with quote unquote the dead, they're
not really they're just in another form. So consciousness still
exists in my belief, and my understanding is that even
though our bodies may die, our brain is simply a receiver.
(36:11):
It's really just an antenna for the soul with which
to experience the world, the three D quote unquote material world,
although there is speculation about whether things are even solid
at all, if any of this is even real, if
this is a simulation, which I'm fascinated by. But the
(36:31):
way that it happens is that when we quote unquote die,
the body, basically we're just discard our shell, so we're
like a snake shedding skin, and then we go back
to source. So the Long Island mediums put it this way.
Energy never dies, right, So if it's like water, for example,
it doesn't it doesn't disappear. It just changes form. So
(36:51):
it evaporates condensation, then it turns to rain, that it rains,
that it might become an ocean. Then it evaporates, but
it doesn't ever just like cease to exist. It doesn't
just burst and explode and it's gone. And it's the
same thing about our consciousness, is that our energy, our personality,
we retain within within our soul, so that when we
(37:12):
leave this body, we are able to still communicate. We
just don't have mouths. That's why it's all telepathic. And
again this is how we also can communicate telepathically with
each other and people don't even realize it. So and
as a psychic too, and I don't do psychic readings
as much as I do mediumship readings where I connect
(37:34):
with your loved ones in spirit. Whereas psychic is I'm
tapping into your energy to see what to look at
your timeline, to see what you may not be able
to see objectively, which is like I can tap into
like you said, we can tap into every It's all
happening at once, so I'm able to perceive it like,
oh okay, I see that this is this is happening
(37:56):
down the line. And so basically with hapen is, I'm
tapping into the residual energy of that person that's still
very much alive, just in another form. And I've had
to learn how to interpret the messages through symbols because
they can't. That's how their vibration is so so high,
I could never understand it. So they're like, let's dumb
(38:18):
it down for you. Let's play a little game of charade.
So yeah, it's like, let's let me give you some
symbols that can that can. And that's funny because I
actually do keep seeing that American flags. But I feel like,
so it's like maybe there is really a spirit here
that would be somebody that would have been like Milt,
were you ever You were never in the military, right, no,
(38:40):
But yeah, okay, so I have not.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
The only person in my family that has been was
my was my grandfather. He was in World War Two.
He didn't have to do any fighting or anything like that.
But where I currently work out, this was me and I. Well,
it still is an Air Force reserve base, Crystal Air
Force Reserve Base. It went and active in the early nineties,
(39:07):
but lieu of everything that's been happening with Russia and
Ukraine and stuff like that, they reactivated it the end
of last year, so it's no longer just a reserve base.
But not very many people are aware of that. But
like all of the houses out here used to be
(39:32):
for the military personnel and their families, Like this was
basically a military gated community. This building in particular that
I work in. Now we sell RVs out of it,
but back in the day, this was the commissary, So
this was your groceries. This is where you would come
if you lived here, to get all of your groceries.
(39:54):
So I wouldn't be surprised if there was anyone that
still here that had to do anything with that whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I mean, right, because I just keep seeing, Yeah, I
keep seeing this American flag, and normally if it's military,
and that to me, like normally when I see military stuff,
it's more of like a knowing. I don't even know.
It's more like, oh, yeah, I have a feeling about it.
This feels like somebody or something that is sort of
indicating a military funeral where they like lay the flag,
(40:27):
where they do the fold up the flag and they
do the whole procession. Unless that was your grandfather. But
I know you said he didn't see any kind of combat,
which doesn't mean that he wouldn't have still been military
or proud of it. But yeah, I just kept seeing
like the folding of the flag and a military kind
of an honor kind of thing, and I don't even
know what it's in reference to at this point. But anyway,
(40:50):
if something comes to me, i'll let you know. So
far nothing, but but that's just something that I kept seeing,
is like a flag waving in sort of in the
breeze and then like being folded and put in to
a casket with somebody. So yeah, and I don't know
what it is, but there's but there are things like
that that, oh, you know, as I'm reading someone, they'll
be like, I know what that.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Is, or.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
We'll I'll see like a little yeah. Like it's basically
a sense of tuning into what's in the back of
your mind while you're still talking to somebody. So it
is a bit of a like patting your head and
rubbing your stump with patting your head and rubbing your
stomach at the same time kind of thing. That's a
coordination thing of like Okay, well I'm seeing this, and
(41:35):
but how do I fit all the pieces together. I
kind of went off on a tangent because I went
there like my brain just shifted into a different mode
where I even forgot what I was talking about, because
I was like, there's some feeling of like a military
person unless it is but Jr. Was he military? That
was just they were just roommates. Okay, yeah, I don't know.
I just was wondering about that. But anyway, we can
(41:57):
get back to that. So now I forget what I
was even talking about.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
It's okay, if you want, we can keep going this direction. See, yeah,
what you what you feel here?
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, let me just see because I mean, I would
like it to be more clear, but it's yeah, as
i'm there's also like so when I'm tapping in, I'm
seeing I'm seeing a waving American flag. So we'll keep
that there. And then there's also like a little baby chicken,
like a like a little chick, like a little fuzzy,
fuzzy yellow chick. Do you have chicks or like chickens
(42:31):
on your property? Would there have been somebody that would
have had baby chick or maybe it's a name like
baby chicken chicken like a little it looks like a
fuzzy little duck or a fuzzy little yellow chicken. I
may not be Yeah, so just I don't know what
it means at this point. Maybe we'll have to do
(42:52):
a follow up one because I might have to intentionally
kind of tap in. But it's like I'm seeing a
little baby chickens, so let me know if later that
comes up. It might be around your kid, you or
your father. So I think you have like you have
a daughter two two of Okay, I just wonder if
there's something about a little baby chick so just kind
of keep me posted on that. But interestingly, well, and
(43:16):
this see, this is the thing. It's like, are you
I don't know if you actually plan on this, but
I see three girls, so I wonder is there like
and this might be if it's personal whatever you think,
you can just cut it out. But I just saw
you with another girl, like another daughter, So I don't
know if that's something that's coming that you've Maybe you
(43:37):
haven't planned it, but I almost saw like either there's
one and I don't think I don't think she's on
the other side. That could be a miscarriage or something
of that nature. But I see three kids for you,
not just too, and that might not be something we
can confirm right now.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Well, I do know that at one point in time,
several years ago, that my ex wife did have a miscarriage.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
So okay, because I feel like you have three and
not just too. Is the feeling like I feel like
you have three daughter, and I know you would never
know what the gender would have been, but it's but
I just was like, no, you don't have two kids.
You have three kids. So that's very possible that the
soul of that child comes through. And then also that
(44:18):
that just wasn't meant to be at that time, and
like it's it's it's like, you know, just I wasn't
ready to come in at that time. And then also
and maybe the baby chicken has something to do. I
don't as a sign, like as a symbol, so just
kind of like look out and see if you see
like a little baby chicken, it's like a really it's
a little fluff or a fluffy. Maybe it's a duck
(44:39):
because our chickens aren't yellow. It's like a baby duck,
I think. And I keep seeing that, so again it
might come to you later or you might actually see it.
And then there's like maybe the name Virginia too on
the other side. Do you have anybody named Virginia in
your on the other side that would be like a relative.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I don't believe so, but I was talking about going
to Virginia early.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Okay, I just heard they I just heard Virginia, right,
So I was going to ask, I'm like, do you
have Virginia ties or is there some So it's possible
that that's what I'm hearing because I didn't see a
person attached to it. I just heard Virginia, so that
might be something I'm tapping into as well. Are you
actually going or just talking or just thinking about it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I've been there before. One of my favorite natural parks
is in Virginia. Which one is it's natural Tunnel?
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Oh, natural bridge?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
No, natural tunnel.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
That's different. Yes, oh, okay, because I lived in Virginia.
I just moved back from Virginia and natural Bridge is
there's a big bridge that was naturally formed that George
Washington carved into or something. But there's so many different
what what city is that? India?
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Okay? So if you are on the east side of Tennessee, Okay,
and you are in Kingsport, Okay, there's a there's a road.
I'm pretty sure because I had stayed at the red
(46:16):
roof end there. From pulling out there, it was only
like two turns to get to the main road. And
there's like a main road that goes through and there's
another highway road that comes across that. I just had
to go across that and follow that about thirty minutes,
and you're in Virginia in about like ten minutes, right.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
At the border.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Okay, yeah, so like you just you just go over.
The only reason that I even knew it was there
because it wasn't like something I was planned. Just so
happened to be driving through Virginia and came from the
other direction into Kingsport and had passed it on the way,
and I was like, huh, I wonder what that is,
googled it, saw it, and I was like, have to
(47:03):
go there, have to go there. This is it's incredible. Essentially,
what had happened was it years ago there was acid
fountains underground that started pushing their way up and they
started going through all the cracks and everything. Well, the
(47:24):
acid ate away a lot of the stone, and there's
also like a creek that runs runs through and through
this and everything. But it naturally formed a huge tunnel.
So now today I believe it's Norfolk and Southern the
railroad company. They actually have the rights to this track
(47:47):
and they drive it through there and to the other
side so they can load up the trains with coal
to then send back to whatever place has to you know,
refine that in all that chats.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Oh that's really cool. I've never been there. Yeah, I
don't know. And again, like I may not be tapped
in right now, but at the same time, I just
heard Virginia, So it might just be an acknowledgment that
you're going there if you were just talking about it
this morning, or I'm tapping into your energy field, which
is knowing that you spoke about Virginia this morning. Yeah,
(48:23):
nothing earth shattering, I don't think, but maybe, but I
think we maybe should do like a follow up where
because I know, you know, we we're unlimited time now,
but I would love to see if anything comes through
for you, which it doesn't feel like right now except
that that that particular word, So that could be are
you going like very soon or is it just something
(48:43):
like you.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Just want to go, like discussing, Oh, I need to
go vacation sometimes somewhere Tennessee, Virginia just somewhere. Yeah, And
I you know, i'd been mentioning, like I think we
were talking about like some different places that were really
cool and Virginia and seeing those and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Yeah, Virginia's beautiful. If if whoever's listening hasn't been there.
I moved there for two years. I love it. It just
was the just wasn't enough going on there for me.
But my parents live there, and I'm in love with it.
I mean, it's it's way more beautiful than you could imagine.
There's so many beautiful They.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Don't go there to like, you know, have like an
amusement park kind of you know, day like go there
for the nature, because yeah, that's all that there is.
There is mountains and valleys and you know, all the
different amazing things and trails and stuff that you can
walk in and I love being outside and doing all
that stuff too.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
Me too. And also there are a lot of haunted places.
So one of the most recommended is there's a town
called Gordonsville and it's called the Exchange Hotel, which I
spent a lot of time at while I was there
and became really good friends with the curator there, and
they actually had me come in to see about doing
some mediumship work because that place it was the Civil
(50:02):
War hospital, so it was a saloon kind of a
if I'm not mistaken, it was like a bar and
it's along the train tracks, and so people would get
off on their travels and like have a drink or whatever.
But during the Civil War it was turned into a
hospital because they had to bring injured people somewhere, and
so they had a bunch of nuns and medics and
(50:24):
they had enslaved people there. And that's why they asked
me to sort of participate, because they were really wanting
to tell the story of the enslaved people who actually
were trained medically, but nobody talks about them because they
were just kind of assistants to the medics. But a
lot of really dark stuff happened there. And there's a
part of there's obviously because they didn't have sometimes anesthesia,
(50:46):
they didn't have anything to do. But there's this other
part of the property and it's a big building and
I just remember going there and getting really queasy and sick,
and I was told that that's where they used to
just throw people that they knew they were on their
way out, but they couldn't do anything for them, so
they kind of just had to pile them up in
there and let them die. And so it's got some
(51:11):
and my friend who was the curator there is a
very powerful medium. Really, I think she wasn't practicing, she
just sort of learned it by being there and they
were talking to her. I went there and a rock
flew across the room. Very haunted, but very interesting, beautiful place.
It's very I like going there. It has good energy.
Now to me, it doesn't feel bad because it's been
(51:32):
taken over with so much love. So it's the Exchange Hotel.
I know we got like off topic about it, but
there's just so many there's so many beautiful, interesting things
to see there, and yeah, it's worth a visit. And
so maybe spirits just telling me, yes, do Virginia go
there's it's gonna be great. Take the kids, have a
nice summer time, like go there in July.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well I only have a fe So
if you want to tell everybody one more time where
they can, where they can reach you and all that stuff,
give yourself that shameless plug.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
Yeah you can. You can find you can find me.
You can find my podcast Magic is Real on YouTube
and wherever you get your podcasts, I will send you.
I think you might have a link to it, but
I'll send that to you. And also I tech if
for mediumship readings. I can just be reached at my
email for now because the website isn't connecting to my calendly.
(52:28):
But I am at Magic is Real Shannon s h
A andnh and at gmail dot com. I do have
a website called real Magics. Uh yeah, Real Magic Services,
and I need to just fix it up and you
can make an appointment there and pay there too if
you if you like. And I'm also at real Magic
Shannon on Instagram and on TikTok. Uh what am I
(52:52):
I'm magic something? I may I may just have to
send that to you, but I'm on all the social
media so you can look me up in email me.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
But thank you so much for listening to I could
talk about spiritual stuff for like five hours, and I
know you could too, So thank you for We've only
just cracked cracked it open a little bit, but there's
so much to be explored. So and thank you for
doing this. Sean. This is like such a great Yeah.
I just loved your personality when I met you, and
(53:21):
I was like, oh, I love that guy. And I
hope more and more people listen to this. I'm going
to plug this podcast, so thanks for doing such a
great job.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Absolutely, and thank you for coming on and having the
time to be able to do this. This, this is
There's going to be much more and much more to come,
so this won't be the only time that you're on here.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
So awesome. I'm excited and uh yeah, I love connecting
with you. So have a good day at work.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yes, awesome, And everybody else, I need you to do
one more thing. Stay fucking weird, y'all.
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fly through.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
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speaking words on my own. I'm a voice sinking out
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to my.
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
Pon perfect All right, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of The Big Grimbowski. And as I promised on
the last episode, is that I would have somebody on
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relatively soon. Well, here is that someone. You may have
heard her before if you have listened to Meta Mysteries.
Her name is Shannon Torrence.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
How you doing, Shannon, I'm doing great, Thank you. How
are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Not too bad. It's it's hot out, so I'm I'm
a little warm. But luckily this a season these campers
work pretty.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Well, I'm so glad to hear it. I'm in LA
and it's actually cold and rainy.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So we're about to get some rain. We got a
some of your thunderstorm on the way sometime to this afternoon,
this evening.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I think coofings down a bit.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yes, definitely, it's it's it's humid. I woke up this
morning and it was it was pretty humid.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I love it. I love humidity. I'm an East Coast girl.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, I like the coast like I would live in
North Carolina. Answer any day of the week.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
An.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
The first time I ever the ocean was in Holden Beach.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Oh, okay, yeah, I love North Carolina. It's beautiful. I
almost moved there. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Oh it's absolutely good.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah yeah, I ended up in LA and I'm happy
about it.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hell yeah. So anyone who hasn't heard of you before,
let's tell them what you do and what you're all about.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Okay, I just realized I'm drinking. If this is something
that's being viewed and not just audio, it would just
be audio. It would just be audio. Well, that looks
really cool. I'm drinking out of a third eye mug
right now. I am Shannon, and I am a psychic medium,
an evidential psychic medium. I have a podcast called Magic
is Real where I interview near death experiencers and other
(03:53):
people about their spiritually transformative experiences. And so I'm a
voice actor as well. That's my other that's my main profession.
But I have opened to the world of spirituality just
probably about like five years ago. Everything kind of opened
up in that realm for me definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So like I first saw you on one of the
live episodes of Meta Mysteries, and I just so happened to,
you know, be able to pop in that that night,
And I mean I wasn't I wasn't ready for what
was going on. I had no idea what was going on.
First of all, like I had no idea you were
coming on there or anything of the sort. And then
I just walked in, like, you know, probably like twenty
(04:38):
minutes after you guys had started, and I was like, oh, okay,
But like immediately I could tell as soon as I
came in, like my whole body started like vibrating, and
I could tell that there was there was some energetic
shift that had happened, and I was like, Okay, we're
onto something. Here, and that was that was a pretty
awesome episode, especially for you know, for Sean and like
(05:00):
some of the messages that you were giving him, and
I mean, it was It's crazy when these things will
actually correlate with something and there's no like, you can't,
you can't explain it. You just can't. It's just it
is what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I know, Yeah, I know a lot of people. In fact,
last night I just saw some video on YouTube that
said are all psychics fake? And I felt compelled to write, no,
psychics are fake because we're all psychics, they're all mediums.
We're all energetic beings, so we all have the ability
to connect with each one another's energy but also the
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energy of the entire universe. So and so there's a
lot of talk about like, oh, you're like people have
nobody that I know. But sometimes on YouTube or whatever,
people will be like, oh, you're you're you're conning people,
you're scamming people, you're taking advantage of people in grief.
They obviously don't know me because it's the last thing
I ever do. But what I've found out from studying
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mediumship myself because I was curious about it, is that
literally you're a medium. I'm a medium. You just have
to believe in it, and you have to have an
interest in it because it is something that takes time
to develop. It's a skill to hone if you want to.
And the only difference between you and me is I've
just literally devoted years to practicing tuning into those frequencies
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that we can't see. So when people say that this
is a topic that's supernatural or paranormal, I say it's
very natural and normal. And our society, especially American society,
not Native American. Native Americans know what's up. They've always
known and that's why they're so tuned in because it
was just part of their culture to understand that this
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is not all there is. The material world is not
all that we can see. And so to me, you
don't have to believe in it. If it doesn't align
for you, if it doesn't resonate with you, that's totally fine.
And also I wouldn't judge somebody because to you that
seems fantastical when you haven't experienced it yourself. And so
(07:10):
to me, what I learned is mediumship. Isn't that I
want to say, It isn't that fancy Because I used
to watch those shows like The Long Island Medium, I
still do. I love I love them, Tyler Henry and
Matt Fraser. These are all some really really Kim Russo,
John Edward, they all have these really great shows.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Remember up as.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Me Too, So Me Too? And I would watch it
with my mom and I was even that I was
it was like something we did together. And I at
some point some article came out about him that now
I know was false, but they were saying, oh, the
producers came into those people's houses and dug around in advance,
and that's how they found out all this information. And
(07:51):
then I was like, oh, man, what a disappointment because
that was before the Internet. Because I'm that I'm that
old where you just kind of believe. I'm like, oh, well,
that's disappointing that it was sort of debunked. So I
kind of went into a phase of atheism in my life.
But that was college. So I was smoking cigare, smoking menthols,
listening to Alice in Chains. I was very sort of
(08:13):
angsterridden and depressed and I just kind of said, well,
you die and turn to dust, that's all there is.
And I and it was a really depressing frame of
mind to be in. But that's where I was at
the time, so I was for sure cynical and lodge
and also like, no, I don't now, I don't know
that that's really true, but I've watched I watched all
those shows, and I thought those people were just born.
(08:36):
Like later on, you know, I opened up to it again.
Those people are just born with this particular gift or
and to a degree they were, because as long as
you have hands and muscles that work and the brain
capacity to do it, you can learn how to play piano.
But not everybody's chopin. You know, some people are born
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geniuses and that's just the way that their brains are.
So it's this thing in mediumship. We can all do
this work, we can all learn it. In fact, I
teach it and in the middle of teaching a workshop
right now on how to develop your medium ship. But
I always thought, Okay, they just have to be special,
they just have to be born this way. And I
(09:17):
also imagined that they like in the Ghost Whisper or
whatever or those shows on TV that like, being a
medium was like the sixth sense, where you like see
things and you you're constantly experiencing all of these like
really wild events, and that can be true for some people.
Some people can see spirit with their naked eyes. Some
(09:40):
people do hear voices disembodied. That's not how I work,
and that's not how I learned to do mediumship. And
I would actually welcome some of it. But I think
spirit knows that i'd freak out if I actually were
to see them because I'm too sensitive. So I've asked
them like, I want to see you, and I think
they kind of no, no, no. All you need to do
(10:01):
is rely on your senses. And so we have these senses,
all of we, all of us do the sixth sense.
It's not magical, it's one of our senses. It's the
sense that allows us to perceive danger. So back in
the day when we were in herds and communities, there
had to be the watchers in the group. So I know,
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I identify as a highly sensitive person. Apparently fifteen percent
of the population are highly sensitive people. And so you've
got your hunters, You've got different roles to play within
the herd for survival. So what is that thing that
you even if someone doesn't make a sound, you know
they're standing behind you. It's there is energy there. You
(10:46):
feel it, even if they're dead quiet, you know you're
being watched. You're turning your head and you're feeling that.
How do animals know there's going to be an earthquake?
So like I know that being a highly sensitive person,
my job was the watcher, uh and that's why I'm
a height more heightened sense senses. But it doesn't mean
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that the people who aren't the watchers can't also do that.
It's just that they might have been gift that they
that might just not be their role in the herd
to be as sensitive. So you have people that are
just on a spectrum of sensitivity. But the other thing
it takes, as I said, is just trust, belief spit,
Like you just have to know it's real and then
(11:29):
you can tap into it, because if if you're not
a complete skeptic, I think every one of us has
a story about something unexplainable that happened, like whether you
saw a quote unquote ghost or whether you had a
dream and then it came true, like for example, have
you had I mean, can you think of something off
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the top.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of the Oh, I've got I got plenty yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, Because I'd love to hear one if you have.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, So I've been a paranormal with an investigator for
a long time. So, like I said, oh, I love
that growing up seeing John Edwards ghost Hunters and then
Ghost Adventurers came in these TV shows paranormal state things
like that, and you know, it was it was very
interesting to me. So, like, I've had a lot of
weird things from some very small ages that has happened
(12:18):
to me over the years, but like some of them
have been pretty profound. Once, so one quick one when
my grandmother, my mom's mom, when she passed away. That night,
we were all at my grandparents' house. She was in
the hospital. We knew that she wasn't doing too good.
They said that, hey, she's probably not going to make
(12:38):
it through the night, just so you guys are prepared. Okay, Well,
probably about three three thirty in the morning, she had
passed away. So I'm in a dead sleep on the
couch out in the living room. They had this clock
that my uncle, who retired from NASA, by the way,
but that's a whole different conversation. He had got them
(13:02):
this clock that also had this attachment piece that you
would stick on to a window and it would read
barometric pressures. It could tell you all these different weather
things because before NASA he was a meteorologist, so like
this was during his time as a meteorologists when he
had done this. This thing as long as they had
to have it, never never made a single sound, never,
(13:24):
not one beep, nothing that night, probably within Oh, I
want to say, it was really it was really strange.
I want to say, I'm trying to think of which one.
If we got the phone call first, or this thing
went off first. Either way it was one of the two,
but they were in very close succession to each other,
(13:47):
and we couldn't get this thing to turn off. This
thing started beeping like crazy, absolutely crazy, and it was
very weird. So that was, you know, one thing. And
my parents actually still have that thing today sitting right
behind the washing the dryer in the laundry room and
there's a window right there. It's never made a single sound.
(14:08):
I've never heard of make a single sound since then.
Super crazy. Okay, Yeah, So a few more years ago
down the road, I'm about sixteen seventeen. At this point
in time, my family house, I was living in the attic.
I wanted a bigger room. The attic was much bigger
compared to my room, so I started cleaning it out,
and I was living up there for a while. So
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one night in particular, probably through between three three thirty
it's always open that time frame for whatever reason, and
I woke up and at the foot of my bed
was a man standing and looking over top of the stereo,
which the stereo came from Vietnam. My father had a
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friend that got shipped over there during Vietnam, and he
was at a market and he had seen this thing.
So it's like one of them old two vamped ones.
It had two cassette decks on there, the radio was
on there, it had the record player on top of it,
and it came with two gigantic speakers. I mean absolutely
(15:16):
gigantic speakers. It was three thousand dollars over here in
the States during that timeframe. His buddy pocketed it for
seven hundred and sent it back to my dad, like
absolutely super cheap, and like even the shipping it was
super cheap. So he had this thing, he hadn't used
it in years. I got old of it. I was
(15:37):
tech savvy. I figured out attachments that I could add
on to this thing where I could take my Walkman
portable CD player and then I could attach this thing
to it and then plug that to it, and I
could listen to all of my CDs through this thing.
So I'm kind of thinking that it's my dad, very
similar looking, kind of saying build. But there was things
(15:59):
that was all up and I didn't really it didn't
make any sense to me at the time, Like it
didn't dawn on me that, oh, hey, this man is
much taller than my father. He's got a much bigger
beard than my father, and he wasn't nearly as big
as my dad is. But I thought it was him,
and I thought maybe he thought that I left the
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stereo on or something like that. And I'm like, what
are you doing? And he turns, he looks at me,
doesn't say anything. Nothing is registering in my head at
this point in time. So he starts leaning down, hand out,
trying to touch me, and I was on my side
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and I took my arm and I flung it and
I was like, would you knock the hell off? And
I didn't hit anything. I should have hit a hand forearm.
I should have hit something. I hit nothing. I jumped
up very quickly when I realized that I didn't make
contact and there was no one that the room was empty.
(17:02):
It was just me. So here's where it gets a
little more interesting. So the next day I'm telling my parents.
My mom's freaking out. She's ready, she's got the phone
in her hands, she's ready to call the police station
because she thinks that someone's broken into her house and
she needs to make a report this and that. Dad's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Listen to yourself. You mean to tell me that someone
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came in through the side door, went all the way
through the kitchen, all the way through the living room,
passed me and the dog, and then went upstairs on
the creakiest set of steps ever and then somehow within
thirty seconds, was down the steps and out the door
without a single sound. Knowing that that don't make no sense,
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so to say, okay, let's tell me what you what
you saw. And I was like, okay, figure guy, you know,
heavier set, white T shirt, big black beard, which my
dad doesn't grow his beard out, he keeps it. And
he goes He just starts like shaking his head as
I'm giving him all these these details, and he goes you.
(18:08):
You never you never met JR? Did you? And I
was like, uh, your old roommate. And he goes yeah,
I go no, huh, I've never seen any pictures of JR.
You guys have never shown me, and I have no
idea what he looks like. He goes you, uh, you
ascribed him to Tee. He died before when I was born.
(18:30):
He died in a motorcycle crash. He had a suicide
clutch and he was coming around a curve, went to
grab that clutch, hit a pothole and it sent him
over the handlebars, snapped his neck upon impact, so like
it was a it was a you know, pretty quick
death for him. But he said these these things to
my father before he died. He said, one, you don't
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ever want this stereo anymore. I will take this stereo
for you because he loved it. He loved it. He
took more care of it than my father did, and
like so like he was changing the needle on the
record all the time, cleaning it, dustin it, this and that.
But then the other thing he told him was if
you ever have a son, I'm always going to be
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there for him no matter what.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Oh my god, you are like that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, So like I I still I've been saying
for a while, like I need to figure out like
where he was buried at and and go there and
be able to visit that. But that's the only experience
I had involving him. I mean, I did a lot
of you know, paranormal investigations at places, and I've had
you know, strange encounters, but like apparition wise, that's that's
(19:45):
the that's the biggest thing that you know, as as
has ever happened to me, and I can't, I can't
explain it. And I'm also at the same time one
of those people that's like, oh man, I really wish
I would have more encounters happened, like I already haven't.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And no, I know, because if it were happening all
the time, we would never like we're supposed to be
here in this Earth. We're supposed to be here. And
this comes from like the hundreds of people I've interviewed
that have died and come back, right, this is called
this is earth school. So we do need to be
present in the three D world for a reason, and
(20:21):
not that we aren't. We're just very curious, right because
I'm the same I'm always looking for. My podcast is
called Magic is Real because once I found out that
these things, once I've discovered for myself is what I
wanted to say, that this is in my mind. There's
no doubt in my mind, this is real, like that
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these things actually exist, and that things that were told
our fantasy are actually very real and very normal. We
just dismissed them as fantasy a lot of the time.
But once I found that out, I every day became
magic to me because now I can see things synchronicities,
for example, that are just insane. I don't believe that
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there are coincidences. I think that, I mean, there are
things that happen right, So I think, for example, there
are sometimes a bird in your yard is just a bird,
and then sometimes like so if it's like you might
see a bird a certain bird if it's yeah, And
someone asked me once like, well, how do you know
(21:27):
when it's a sign? And I and I said, I'll
tell you the simple answer. You just know because if
you're sometimes a blue jay just flies by your window, fine,
but then sometimes you've been thinking about your grandma or
you you just that bird comes and sits on the
windowsill for a really long amount of time and you
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just know automatically that's Grandma, that's her. That's how you know,
because you just know it. That's what we call clare cognizance,
where we have different senses, so we have clairvoyance, which
is where we see. And some people, as I said,
can see spirit like you did. And it doesn't even
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and maybe that was just because he wanted to show
himself to you so badly that he made himself visible.
You didn't do anything to try to see him. But
clearly you have an ability to see it's there, and
that's clear. And clairvoyance, though, for me, is when you
think of something in your mind's eye, so or you
see something in your mind's eye. So if I tell
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you to think of a pineapple, as long as you
have sight, as long as you were born with sight,
and you know what a pineapple looks like, and some
people have difficulty with that. It's a there's a sort
of a different kind of a brain, like a neuro
divergent brain that can't visualize things, but it's pretty rare.
So you can imagine a pineapple and if I ask you, okay,
(22:50):
but and you're like yeah, I see it, But where
do you see it? It's you just and then you
think about it. You're like, I, actually, I don't even know,
but I can totally visualize it. That's where I see
the information that I get. So I see it as
like you know, I'll just I'll just like focus in
on it, like what is actually happening behind the scenes,
(23:12):
like I'm seeing like if i'm if I'm tapping into
what's behind my eyes kind of it's like, oh, I
might see like a refrigerator. I don't know if that's
just what I saw. When I'm like, show me something
a refrigerator, I'm opening up a refrigerator and there's like
rotten food in it or something, you know. And so
I might say to my client like like, hey, did
you just recently, like did your a refrigerator go off
or off offline or something? Did offline? You know, did
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did like you just have spoiled food in your refrigerator.
It's because I somehow I see it and I have
an idea of it, and then you have clear sentience,
which is clear feeling. So if the way that I
can tell how someone passed is I'll say, how did
you pass? And then I might feel feel like, oh
there's something or or or something that they might have
had a health issue. I might say, oh, I can
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feel ringing in this person's ears. So theydus I used
to say tonightis people have told me it's tindus. And
then there's So there's Clarcentians Clerk Gustians is where you
might taste something so I have the impression of eating
oatmeal cookies like oh my gosh, yeah, I can taste
like I can remember what the taste is. And then
there's uh Claire. So there's clairvoyance, Clarcentians, Claire cognizance where
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you just know I don't know how I know it.
I just know that your grandfather's name is Roger, or
that you went to or that your parents sent you
to boarding school because you were on drugs. I'm just
making you know whatever's coming to me. It's like I
just know that you went to like military school. I
don't know how I know that. It's almost like a
memory is if you told me that. So the key
(24:42):
is to bring all of the senses together. Claire. Audience
is where you hear something. So when I hear a name,
it might be Roger like in my ear, not in
my ear, in my head. It's almost like I'm thinking
about it. So the key is and this is where
the practice comes in, is practic saying all blending them
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all together so that it becomes cohesive. So then I
can be like, okay, you're you know your your dad's
on the other side. His name is Mitchell. I believe
I can see an American flag, so I know he
was like a patriotor like in the military or something.
And it's like, and I can tell that he had something.
(25:23):
I can sort of feel that there was something to
do with his right ear, and then I can also
uh some visualizing, but I also have this knowing that
somehow he pastor really young. And then when i'm and
then I might see, as you said, like a motorcyclist.
I'm like, okay, well then he passed in a motorcycle accident.
But then I might see a football helmet and be like, okay,
(25:45):
I don't know what that means. So feel into it.
What is that he loved football? He played football, he
you know, And then I have to kind of okay,
I think it's a feeling of it's football is really
important to him. So you have to kind of feel
into all of them, and then over time it just
becomes second nature so that you're not having to overthink it.
It's kind of a long explanation you didn't ask for,
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but just drawing on how we do mediumship and psychic
work is we all of these things are happening, and
then we're trusting it. And that's the and I tattooed
trust on my wrist so that I would remember that.
Don't doubt it. Just say what comes to your head, right,
because it's going to feel like you're making it up,
but you know you're not making it up when the
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person says, actually, I do have someone named Mitchell and
he was really patriotic and or fourth of July is
really important or something of that nature.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Right, And like, so I'm somebody who I'm very you know, empathic.
So if I'm I'm you know, physically around around somebody
and they are not in any type of good mood whatsoever,
you know, a high anxiety, I will start feeling that
(27:01):
coming through my pores. And I mean it can it
can be you know, pretty pretty intense and times you know,
it's anger, things like these. So it's like I try
to try to stay away from different kinds of situations
like that, because then like I already have anxiety myself,
so like this just you know, will will add on
(27:21):
to it, and you know, I'm just kind of like
I can't, I can't. I can't do that, And it
gets hard sometimes, especially like you know, when you're around
like all different people all day long, and you know,
at work, this and that is people you come into
contact with and just different situations and you're just like, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to walk away. Like I
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ran into a situation yesterday and I'm gonna dive into
what exactly had happened. But I was just kind of like, oh,
I can I can feel what's going on right here
right now, and I'm gonna have to walk away. So
I did because I was just like I can't, I can't.
I can't deal with this right now, uh you know.
So and then another thing, I do have a lot
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of dreams that will be actual dreams that come true.
And I've been having these things since I was very
very young. I have a lot of and I remember
almost every single one that I've ever had since like
the age of five. So one, at the age of five,
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I was just sitting in the backseat of my parents' car.
We were driving through Fort Wayne, Indiana. We were driving
through this specific area, just down this block. Later on
it happened. I don't know any significance to this or
to this area. What what? Why? Why would I would
have been shown this? Okay, So another one, I say,
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I'm in middle school. I had a dream that I
was at a bowling alley and there was people with me,
but I could not see their faces. So it was
kind of like you know when you're watching cops or
something and they have somebody's face blurred out because they
didn't have like permission to do that. So all three
people in the stream their faces I could not see.
(29:08):
I could hear them. I could hear the conversations, all
the stuff. Turns out, later on I meet this girl,
start dating her, and one of the first times that
we hung out, we went to a bowling alley with
her sister and her dad and it was it was them,
it was all of them, and I knew right then
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and there I dreamt this. I have dreamt this, and
so like you know, since then, I just I'll have
like little like random things. Another one in high school,
just me and a couple of my buddies. We had
went to a paranormal location that's by where I currently live,
and we came back into town. We sat in this
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parking lot late at night. We were just sitting there,
just goofing around and stuff, and that was it. I've
had other ones where it's just you know, I'm at work,
I'm doing something at work, and on this all of
a sudden, I'm like, yep, I had this woman in
dream already and I know this, So I just kind
of take that is you're going in the way that
(30:12):
you're supposed to be going, whether whether I whether I
know where that path is leading me. Obviously this is
the path that I'm supposed to be on. Why else
would I be seeing this ahead of time? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yes, And there's also what I think is like collective
like collective consciousness, where because my understanding is that we
literally when we say we're all one, it's not just
some hippie thing to say, it's like we literally literally
literally are this blob of energy, but we're just separated
for this experience on Earth into these different bodies. So
(30:47):
you are me and I'm you, and all we are
is reflections of each other and me and different ways
of experiencing the world. You know, I'm a woman, you're
a man. Uh for example, just you come in Indiana,
I'm in La. We have we just have different experiences
of this, this this experience. But I had so nine
(31:10):
to eleven, I was I knew nothing about world events
at the time, and I had a dream one night
that I was in New York City and I was
there were all these tall buildings and there were bombs
coming down, and I was running through these buildings and
I woke up. My heart was pounding, and I called
my mom and said, I had the most vivid, scary
(31:31):
dream that I was in like New York and I
was running and we were being attacked by Iraq in
the dream, which wasn't who attacked us, but the fact
is there was an involvement. And at the time, I
was like early twenties, I'm working like in an off
I'm just have some like sort of really sheltered life.
(31:52):
I wasn't listening to what was happening in the news.
I wasn't aware of things in the news. And the
next morning I was married at the time, and my
husband's like and I both woke up and were like,
I can't sleep. I wonder why, Like we were up
at like four am. And then the phone rang back
when you'd have like a phone a landline, and one
(32:13):
of his friends was like, turn on the news and
I and when I told my mom about the dream,
she goes, well, that could never happen, like we're you know,
we're protected, and also Iraq wouldn't attack us. And she
told me all the reasons why it wouldn't make sense.
But then when I saw it on the news and
then I saw the people running through the buildings, I
was like, that's what I was dreaming about. I just
(32:34):
didn't know the detail. I didn't understand the full depth
of the world events that led to this or whatever.
But I definitely dreamed about it. And we both woke
up just like at four in the morning, just like
this feeling of something. And so I think, and I
hear that from so many people who also had either
premonitions or tapping into that energy. And I always wonder too,
(32:59):
like are we tapped into you know how there's no
time on the other side, so are we like sort
of our spiritselves are sort of seeing it happening everything everywhere,
all at once, and it's almost like we're we're either
not remembering it, but we're everything's happening at the same time,
so we're tapping into it.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yes, it's actually just went over that in the last
episode on Dolores Cannon, and I was just, you know,
just saying that I believe that time is relative to us,
like we we created the concept, and I think that
we get hung up as humans a lot on that
(33:38):
because we do everything by time, you know, when we
go to when we go to sleep, when we get
up in the morning, when we go to work, when
we do all the things throughout our day. It's everything
is all time based, time based, time based, and we
always worry about that. But yet I think that everything
is happening all at once, so we're you know, time
(34:01):
the future, present, and past simultaneously. And I believe that's
why that, you know, if we've not actually figured out
how to travel through time, that would be the reason
why we wouldn't be able to. It's because it's not
that we're trying to reverse time to go back to
(34:22):
another period. It's happening all at once, so not only
would you would have to shift into that specific timeline
compared to ours, because you know, I see it as
like three strings that are all in the road. They're
all going the same direction as each other, and you
(34:43):
don't see an ending or an end because they're it's
it's all, it's all one. It's still you see three strings,
but it's all one string.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Yeah, there is no path to go back to rights now. Yeah,
So in fact, we already are time traveling. We are
already it's already the past and the future and then
now all at one time, which is so wild to
think about.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Right, So, like you know, you can even like tie
into you know, CERN and things that CERN's currently you know,
doing and messing with, and it's like what if they
what if they do do something that's going to just
all of a sudden completely shatter our current reality and
existence because we're trying to figure out this whole time
(35:33):
deal and all these other things, and we only know
so much about the quantum realm and the things that
are that are in there. So like I mean, the
possibilities are always endless, always endless.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah. And the whole thing about the you've seen JR.
Is like it's so crazy because, like I understand the
way that I communicate with quote unquote the dead, they're
not really they're just in another form. So consciousness still
exists in my belief, and my understanding is that even
though our bodies may die, our brain is simply a receiver.
(36:11):
It's really just an antenna for the soul with which
to experience the world, the three D quote unquote material world,
although there is speculation about whether things are even solid
at all, if any of this is even real, if
this is a simulation, which I'm fascinated by. But the
(36:31):
way that it happens is that when we quote unquote die,
the body, basically we're just discard our shell, so we're
like a snake shedding skin, and then we go back
to source. So the Long Island mediums put it this way.
Energy never dies, right, So if it's like water, for example,
it doesn't it doesn't disappear. It just changes form. So
(36:51):
it evaporates condensation, then it turns to rain, that it rains,
that it might become an ocean. Then it evaporates, but
it doesn't ever just like cease to exist. It doesn't
just burst and explode and it's gone. And it's the
same thing about our consciousness, is that our energy, our personality,
we retain within within our soul, so that when we
(37:12):
leave this body, we are able to still communicate. We
just don't have mouths. That's why it's all telepathic. And
again this is how we also can communicate telepathically with
each other and people don't even realize it. So and
as a psychic too, and I don't do psychic readings
as much as I do mediumship readings where I connect
(37:34):
with your loved ones in spirit. Whereas psychic is I'm
tapping into your energy to see what to look at
your timeline, to see what you may not be able
to see objectively, which is like I can tap into
like you said, we can tap into every It's all
happening at once, so I'm able to perceive it like,
oh okay, I see that this is this is happening
(37:56):
down the line. And so basically with hapen is, I'm
tapping into the residual energy of that person that's still
very much alive, just in another form. And I've had
to learn how to interpret the messages through symbols because
they can't. That's how their vibration is so so high,
I could never understand it. So they're like, let's dumb
(38:18):
it down for you. Let's play a little game of charade.
So yeah, it's like, let's let me give you some
symbols that can that can. And that's funny because I
actually do keep seeing that American flags. But I feel like,
so it's like maybe there is really a spirit here
that would be somebody that would have been like Milt,
were you ever You were never in the military, right, no,
(38:40):
But yeah, okay, so I have not.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
The only person in my family that has been was
my was my grandfather. He was in World War Two.
He didn't have to do any fighting or anything like that.
But where I currently work out, this was me and I. Well,
it still is an Air Force reserve base, Crystal Air
Force Reserve Base. It went and active in the early nineties,
(39:07):
but lieu of everything that's been happening with Russia and
Ukraine and stuff like that, they reactivated it the end
of last year, so it's no longer just a reserve base.
But not very many people are aware of that. But
like all of the houses out here used to be
(39:32):
for the military personnel and their families, Like this was
basically a military gated community. This building in particular that
I work in. Now we sell RVs out of it,
but back in the day, this was the commissary, So
this was your groceries. This is where you would come
if you lived here, to get all of your groceries.
(39:54):
So I wouldn't be surprised if there was anyone that
still here that had to do anything with that whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I mean, right, because I just keep seeing, Yeah, I
keep seeing this American flag, and normally if it's military,
and that to me, like normally when I see military stuff,
it's more of like a knowing. I don't even know.
It's more like, oh, yeah, I have a feeling about it.
This feels like somebody or something that is sort of
indicating a military funeral where they like lay the flag,
(40:27):
where they do the fold up the flag and they
do the whole procession. Unless that was your grandfather. But
I know you said he didn't see any kind of combat,
which doesn't mean that he wouldn't have still been military
or proud of it. But yeah, I just kept seeing
like the folding of the flag and a military kind
of an honor kind of thing, and I don't even
know what it's in reference to at this point. But anyway,
(40:50):
if something comes to me, i'll let you know. So
far nothing, but but that's just something that I kept seeing,
is like a flag waving in sort of in the
breeze and then like being folded and put in to
a casket with somebody. So yeah, and I don't know
what it is, but there's but there are things like
that that, oh, you know, as I'm reading someone, they'll
be like, I know what that.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Is, or.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
We'll I'll see like a little yeah. Like it's basically
a sense of tuning into what's in the back of
your mind while you're still talking to somebody. So it
is a bit of a like patting your head and
rubbing your stump with patting your head and rubbing your
stomach at the same time kind of thing. That's a
coordination thing of like Okay, well I'm seeing this, and
(41:35):
but how do I fit all the pieces together. I
kind of went off on a tangent because I went
there like my brain just shifted into a different mode
where I even forgot what I was talking about, because
I was like, there's some feeling of like a military
person unless it is but Jr. Was he military? That
was just they were just roommates. Okay, yeah, I don't know.
I just was wondering about that. But anyway, we can
(41:57):
get back to that. So now I forget what I
was even talking about.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
It's okay, if you want, we can keep going this direction. See, yeah,
what you what you feel here?
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, let me just see because I mean, I would
like it to be more clear, but it's yeah, as
i'm there's also like so when I'm tapping in, I'm
seeing I'm seeing a waving American flag. So we'll keep
that there. And then there's also like a little baby chicken,
like a like a little chick, like a little fuzzy,
fuzzy yellow chick. Do you have chicks or like chickens
(42:31):
on your property? Would there have been somebody that would
have had baby chick or maybe it's a name like
baby chicken chicken like a little it looks like a
fuzzy little duck or a fuzzy little yellow chicken. I
may not be Yeah, so just I don't know what
it means at this point. Maybe we'll have to do
(42:52):
a follow up one because I might have to intentionally
kind of tap in. But it's like I'm seeing a
little baby chickens, so let me know if later that
comes up. It might be around your kid, you or
your father. So I think you have like you have
a daughter two two of Okay, I just wonder if
there's something about a little baby chick so just kind
of keep me posted on that. But interestingly, well, and
(43:16):
this see, this is the thing. It's like, are you
I don't know if you actually plan on this, but
I see three girls, so I wonder is there like
and this might be if it's personal whatever you think,
you can just cut it out. But I just saw
you with another girl, like another daughter, So I don't
know if that's something that's coming that you've Maybe you
(43:37):
haven't planned it, but I almost saw like either there's
one and I don't think I don't think she's on
the other side. That could be a miscarriage or something
of that nature. But I see three kids for you,
not just too, and that might not be something we
can confirm right now.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Well, I do know that at one point in time,
several years ago, that my ex wife did have a miscarriage.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
So okay, because I feel like you have three and
not just too. Is the feeling like I feel like
you have three daughter, and I know you would never
know what the gender would have been, but it's but
I just was like, no, you don't have two kids.
You have three kids. So that's very possible that the
soul of that child comes through. And then also that
(44:18):
that just wasn't meant to be at that time, and
like it's it's it's like, you know, just I wasn't
ready to come in at that time. And then also
and maybe the baby chicken has something to do. I
don't as a sign, like as a symbol, so just
kind of like look out and see if you see
like a little baby chicken, it's like a really it's
a little fluff or a fluffy. Maybe it's a duck
(44:39):
because our chickens aren't yellow. It's like a baby duck,
I think. And I keep seeing that, so again it
might come to you later or you might actually see it.
And then there's like maybe the name Virginia too on
the other side. Do you have anybody named Virginia in
your on the other side that would be like a relative.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
I don't believe so, but I was talking about going
to Virginia early.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
Okay, I just heard they I just heard Virginia, right,
So I was going to ask, I'm like, do you
have Virginia ties or is there some So it's possible
that that's what I'm hearing because I didn't see a
person attached to it. I just heard Virginia, so that
might be something I'm tapping into as well. Are you
actually going or just talking or just thinking about it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I've been there before. One of my favorite natural parks
is in Virginia. Which one is it's natural Tunnel?
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Oh, natural bridge?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
No, natural tunnel.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
That's different. Yes, oh, okay, because I lived in Virginia.
I just moved back from Virginia and natural Bridge is
there's a big bridge that was naturally formed that George
Washington carved into or something. But there's so many different
what what city is that? India?
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Okay? So if you are on the east side of Tennessee, Okay,
and you are in Kingsport, Okay, there's a there's a road.
I'm pretty sure because I had stayed at the red
(46:16):
roof end there. From pulling out there, it was only
like two turns to get to the main road. And
there's like a main road that goes through and there's
another highway road that comes across that. I just had
to go across that and follow that about thirty minutes,
and you're in Virginia in about like ten minutes, right.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
At the border.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Okay, yeah, so like you just you just go over.
The only reason that I even knew it was there
because it wasn't like something I was planned. Just so
happened to be driving through Virginia and came from the
other direction into Kingsport and had passed it on the way,
and I was like, huh, I wonder what that is,
googled it, saw it, and I was like, have to
(47:03):
go there, have to go there. This is it's incredible. Essentially,
what had happened was it years ago there was acid
fountains underground that started pushing their way up and they
started going through all the cracks and everything. Well, the
(47:24):
acid ate away a lot of the stone, and there's
also like a creek that runs runs through and through
this and everything. But it naturally formed a huge tunnel.
So now today I believe it's Norfolk and Southern the
railroad company. They actually have the rights to this track
(47:47):
and they drive it through there and to the other
side so they can load up the trains with coal
to then send back to whatever place has to you know,
refine that in all that chats.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Oh that's really cool. I've never been there. Yeah, I
don't know. And again, like I may not be tapped
in right now, but at the same time, I just
heard Virginia, So it might just be an acknowledgment that
you're going there if you were just talking about it
this morning, or I'm tapping into your energy field, which
is knowing that you spoke about Virginia this morning. Yeah,
(48:23):
nothing earth shattering, I don't think, but maybe, but I
think we maybe should do like a follow up where
because I know, you know, we we're unlimited time now,
but I would love to see if anything comes through
for you, which it doesn't feel like right now except
that that that particular word, So that could be are
you going like very soon or is it just something
(48:43):
like you.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Just want to go, like discussing, Oh, I need to
go vacation sometimes somewhere Tennessee, Virginia just somewhere. Yeah, And
I you know, i'd been mentioning, like I think we
were talking about like some different places that were really
cool and Virginia and seeing those and stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Yeah, Virginia's beautiful. If if whoever's listening hasn't been there.
I moved there for two years. I love it. It just
was the just wasn't enough going on there for me.
But my parents live there, and I'm in love with it.
I mean, it's it's way more beautiful than you could imagine.
There's so many beautiful They.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Don't go there to like, you know, have like an
amusement park kind of you know, day like go there
for the nature, because yeah, that's all that there is.
There is mountains and valleys and you know, all the
different amazing things and trails and stuff that you can
walk in and I love being outside and doing all
that stuff too.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
Me too. And also there are a lot of haunted places.
So one of the most recommended is there's a town
called Gordonsville and it's called the Exchange Hotel, which I
spent a lot of time at while I was there
and became really good friends with the curator there, and
they actually had me come in to see about doing
some mediumship work because that place it was the Civil
(50:02):
War hospital, so it was a saloon kind of a
if I'm not mistaken, it was like a bar and
it's along the train tracks, and so people would get
off on their travels and like have a drink or whatever.
But during the Civil War it was turned into a
hospital because they had to bring injured people somewhere, and
so they had a bunch of nuns and medics and
(50:24):
they had enslaved people there. And that's why they asked
me to sort of participate, because they were really wanting
to tell the story of the enslaved people who actually
were trained medically, but nobody talks about them because they
were just kind of assistants to the medics. But a
lot of really dark stuff happened there. And there's a
part of there's obviously because they didn't have sometimes anesthesia,
(50:46):
they didn't have anything to do. But there's this other
part of the property and it's a big building and
I just remember going there and getting really queasy and sick,
and I was told that that's where they used to
just throw people that they knew they were on their
way out, but they couldn't do anything for them, so
they kind of just had to pile them up in
there and let them die. And so it's got some
(51:11):
and my friend who was the curator there is a
very powerful medium. Really, I think she wasn't practicing, she
just sort of learned it by being there and they
were talking to her. I went there and a rock
flew across the room. Very haunted, but very interesting, beautiful place.
It's very I like going there. It has good energy.
Now to me, it doesn't feel bad because it's been
(51:32):
taken over with so much love. So it's the Exchange Hotel.
I know we got like off topic about it, but
there's just so many there's so many beautiful, interesting things
to see there, and yeah, it's worth a visit. And
so maybe spirits just telling me, yes, do Virginia go
there's it's gonna be great. Take the kids, have a
nice summer time, like go there in July.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well I only have a fe So
if you want to tell everybody one more time where
they can, where they can reach you and all that stuff,
give yourself that shameless plug.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
Yeah you can. You can find you can find me.
You can find my podcast Magic is Real on YouTube
and wherever you get your podcasts, I will send you.
I think you might have a link to it, but
I'll send that to you. And also I tech if
for mediumship readings. I can just be reached at my
email for now because the website isn't connecting to my calendly.
(52:28):
But I am at Magic is Real Shannon s h
A andnh and at gmail dot com. I do have
a website called real Magics. Uh yeah, Real Magic Services,
and I need to just fix it up and you
can make an appointment there and pay there too if
you if you like. And I'm also at real Magic
Shannon on Instagram and on TikTok. Uh what am I
(52:52):
I'm magic something? I may I may just have to
send that to you, but I'm on all the social
media so you can look me up in email me.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (53:00):
But thank you so much for listening to I could
talk about spiritual stuff for like five hours, and I
know you could too, So thank you for We've only
just cracked cracked it open a little bit, but there's
so much to be explored. So and thank you for
doing this. Sean. This is like such a great Yeah.
I just loved your personality when I met you, and
(53:21):
I was like, oh, I love that guy. And I
hope more and more people listen to this. I'm going
to plug this podcast, so thanks for doing such a
great job.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Absolutely, and thank you for coming on and having the
time to be able to do this. This, this is
There's going to be much more and much more to come,
so this won't be the only time that you're on here.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
So awesome. I'm excited and uh yeah, I love connecting
with you. So have a good day at work.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yes, awesome, And everybody else, I need you to do
one more thing. Stay fucking weird, y'all.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
Shady with the silence, days whispered with through the haze.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
I hear the.
Speaker 6 (54:03):
Cries of the anti died by a world in between.
I'm a voice sinking out don a bridge, red spirits
fly through.
Speaker 7 (54:16):
The fair, I walk along.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Speaking words are going on.
Speaker 8 (54:24):
Sers trace the lines of fing cause the hands it had,
and escape secrets full like reverse.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Deep and stillness where they sneak. I'm my voice. They
cannot ton a fridge, red spires sn you walk alone,
speaking words on my own. I'm a voice sinking out
(55:08):
to my.
Speaker 7 (55:10):
A fridge voice, snar's fly to a fail eye walk hello,
speaking words on my They call my name in the
midnight cloone a silent for some never a crool their
pain and love. I feel it near a Gift Coast,
(55:33):
always here, I'm Boys thinking out Tonight, a Prade Voice,
Spir's Fly, a Fail eye Walk
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Allo speaking words on money,
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