September 17, 2023 • 59 mins
On this episode of Paranormal Odyssey, I’m happy to bring you an interview that I was asked to give on the Spaced Out Radio Network. I was the guest of Ms. Jessica Jones, The Cryptid Huntress herself. It was a nice change to be the one being asked the questions instead of asking them. I had a great time over there and wanted to share it with you guys.
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I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplay. Him behind me, Well,
nothing but a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me
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and taken both of my children andI wouldn't know. His father just got
like a mustang or something. WhyomingOkay, he had it out in the
corral because he couldn't put it inthe barn with the in the stalls,
with the other horses that would kickand made all the other ones is nervous
at a seminal Indian working the horse, trying to break it. Every day
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they had it out in the carrawl. This skunk game snuck up behind his
horse and grabbed it bonnets, hindquarters. This particular horse kicks out,
jumps over the corral, runs intothe pat you know, to get away.
At this point, the ranchers outthere just blessed away with the thirty
thirty skunk gave blends into the swamp. I went up there one day after
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that or two days after that,I went up there and sat in the
silence up there, and I'm tellingyou, man, it was free.
It was crazy, you know itwas. There was a crazy vibe up
there. Still. I did whatI could to kind of get things under
control. But I told her,I said, you didn't even get off
this problem. I feel like,no matter how strong you are, it's
almost like standing in the ocean,you can't stand still without moving your feet.
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You're gonna get knocked over eventually.No matter how strong whatever, you
can't withstand a barrage of a weirdspiritual energy. Hey, what's up,
everybody, it's Wayne. Welcome backto your paranormal odyssey, guys. I
thought we would try something a littledifferent on this episode. I was actually
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the guest over on space Out Radio. I guess it's about a month ago
with Miss Jessica Jones, the CryptidHuntress. I had her on this show
for a couple of episodes, andshe invited me to come over to spaced
Out Radio and do an interview withher, and I had just a really,
really good time. Jessica is It'sa great person. She does a
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lot for the big book community,and she's always out in the field,
you know, putting in those hoursand it was just really really fun getting
to sit down and talk to her. It was different getting to be the
person interview instead of the person askingthe questions. So it's got it'd be
cool to bring that to you,guys. Hope that you enjoy it.
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that's a n up of all ofthat. I know that you were
ready. I am ready. Let'sget started. Wayne Sothrow is the host
of the Paranormal Odyssey podcast as wellas the founder and president of Manimal Research,
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a small sasquatch research organization based outof Southeast Tennessee. Manimal was formed
in twenty nineteen, and Wayne hasled many field investigations in the years since
starting has uncovered some interesting evidence alongthe way. Okay also, Wayno was
approached in twenty twenty two to takeover the hosting duties of the Paranormal Odyssey
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podcast after hosting his own YouTube chanon the subject of big footsis twenty twenty.
He's well respected in the community andclearly displays a passion for the subject.
And I'm gonna get my act togetherhere y'all and please help me.
Welcome to the show tonight, mybuddy, Wayne. What's up? Wayne?
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I think I'm doing you have beentonight? Yes, you know what.
I just did a podcast like rightbefore the show and it completely I
think it like overheated my computer orsomething. I'm not sure what happened.
So yeah, I feel like I'mjuggling a bunch of plates right now.
That's what I'm doing. But it'sso good to have you here. Thank
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you so very much. You're you'rehandling it well, Oh my god,
thank you, thank you. I'mjust a bill hot mess. I'm just
glad that I made it on airtonight. That's all I'm worried about.
And so it doesn't matter if I'msweating bullets. It's okay. We're gonna
get through this because we're having agood time. We always have a good
time here at Space Out Radio.Actually, and Wayne, I had a
really good time hanging out with youon your show. We just did a
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two part series okay on over atParanormal odyssey. So tell my audience a
little bit about your your podcast anduh and kind of let's let's talk about
how you got into big footing alittle bit too, all right, Well,
which one you want to jump intofirst? Because I got into the
big footing first, so you'll startthere. Absolutely, let's go with the
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big footing first because you actually researchsome of the areas that I researched with
my team. Yeah, it wasback in twenty nineteen. I've always had
a livelong interest in cryptids and mainlyyou know, big bootis king. You
know, he's the top dog wentwhen you talk about cryptids, and always
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had an interest in you know,when I was a kid, get to
go to the library once a weekand check out a book or a couple
of books and keep those for aweek, and then you come back and
you put them, you know,turn them in and get another book.
And I was always checking out anythingon cryptids that I could find. Bigot
locking this monster at Troup of Carboro, you know, all that good stuff.
But like I said, big Bootwas king, and back in two
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thousand and nineteen, I was workinga job about an hour from my house,
about fifty five minute drive there,and then a fifty five minute drive
back and my car went down,so I had to put it in the
shop, and I borrowed an extrapickup truck from my dad. So I'm
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driving this no truck his truck backand forth to work. And the second
day I have his truck, theradio goes out. I'm like, what
the heck? Two hours a daydriving with nothing to listen to. That's
when I discovered podcasts. So Istarted listening to a cryptid podcasts and I
loved it. I was just Iwas hooked. But I kept finding myself
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wishing that everyone would shut up abouteverything else and just get back to Bigbot,
because that's all I was really interestedin. And I thought there's no
way there's gonna be an entire podcastthat had dedicated strictly to Bigfoot, and
lo and behold, I found onenow side squats Chronicles, that's where I
think everybody gets their start in thebig boot no podcasting realm. So I
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found it and I started listening toit, binging the hell out of it
every chance I got. And Ifound out people were actually going out into
the woods and looking for this thing, and I had always thought they were
out west, you know, Oregon, Washington, California, and I started
listening. In one particular episode,this gentleman talked about having an encounter.
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He lives in a small town aboutforty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee.
I live forty five minutes north ofChattanooga, Tennessee. And then what
he was talking about my town andhe was talking about a place, a
recreation area that I go to andhe had had an encounter in there.
I'm like, what in the hell. So I just started looking into it,
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you know, to getting out inthe woods and doing this stuff on
my own, and I found outa lot of people were doing it.
I looked into joining other groups,like I'm not going to mention them,
but y'all know, I know,yeah, and to uh looked in and
joining other groups, and I justsaw so much negativity, Jessica. I
mean, it's like everyone puts everyonedown. If you don't be a certain
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way the same way that another persondoes, you're wrong, or you're a
liar, or you're a hoax orAnd I just didn't want any of that.
I didn't want anything to do withit. So minimal research was born.
I started getting out in the woods, and I really I put it.
To be honest, I put anad on Craigslist to meet people that,
you know, we're interested in it. And I was blown away at
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the response that I got. Somany people were interested in this subject,
and I meant really really cool people. Yeah. Wow, So I got
my start into big button. That'samazing. You know what might actually was
like opposite of that, because Istarted doing bigfoot research before I even knew
there were podcasts about bigfoots and thingslike that. I mean, I didn't
really listen to podcasts back then becauseI started doing this back in twenty eleven,
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so it's been a while. Andthat was before anybody had like a
big foot sticker on the back oftheir car, you know, like big
Bigfoot wasn't it wasn't like real popularlike it is today. And that's why
I didn't go public for so long. I waited ten years to even go
public at all about my research andthe stuff that we've been doing. And
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so, yeah, what year wasthat when you first started doing your bigfoot
research twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen.Yeah, Well it was getting a little
more popular by then, I thinkbecause they had finding big Foot on TV
and shows like that. Yeah,and since I've been doing this, I
have since I wish I would havegotten started around the time you did,
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or even before, because I mean, there's no telling what I have seen
if I would have dedicated more timeto or any time to it at all
back then, and I had ittwenty years or so, so that I've
been looking into this, there's notelling what I could have seen by now,
you know exactly, Well, Ibet you've seen a lot of cool
stuff though, And and so you'renot out there just looking for Bigfoot,
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right, I mean you don't youkind of cover all the paranormal subjects or
is it mostly just Bigfoot? Asfar as my research and getting out in
the field, it's it's only bigFoot. The show that I host,
Paranormal Odyssey. I talk to peoplethat do everything, you know. I
talked to paranormal investigators, ghost hunters, several psychic mediums. I've talked to
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alien people you have, I'm sorry, people are interested in UFOs, aliens
and stuff like that. Just anythingweird I talk about over there on Paranormal
Odyssey. Yeah, it's like amixed bag of everything. I'd love that
And what do you think about theparanormal like everything being connected. Do you
believe there's a can action between Bigfootand dogman UFOs like ghost all that kind
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of stuff. Is there some kindof weird connection there? You know what,
Jessica, when when I first startedthis, you could not convince me
that big Boot was anything other thana biological creature, blessing blood, just
a North American primate that we haven'tcaught up with yet. That's all it
was to me and anybody talking aboutseeing them get out of UFO or cloaking
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or disappearing in the woods. Imean, I didn't want to hear any
of that. I mean, Irespected your opinion and everything, but I
just I didn't believe it. Ididn't want anything to do with it.
But since I've been talking to peoplesince twenty nineteen, in really twenty twenty
when I started my show on YouTube, I mean I've really come full circle.
I believe. I mean, thesepeople were seeing they're legit. I
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mean, there are some some respected, you know, just well versed people
that are seeing things and it's becomingmore accepted. And these people we're seeing,
I mean you listen to them,and they're truly, they're afraid.
You know, what they saw itreally messed with them. So they saw
something. So I've come full circle. I really believe that there's so much
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more to this topic than I don'tknow. So to answer your question,
that was really a long one toanswer, but yeah, I think that
it's very possible that they all couldbe connected. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So can you understand why I didn'tgo public for ten years? I
guess because you know, when Idid go public, I'm not gonna lie.
The first the first public appearance Imade was kind of unannounced. Nobody
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knew who I was. But thenmy name started getting out there a little
bit, and I started getting smearcampaigns, you know, from like Bigfoot
hoax or groups and stuff like ohthis girl, she's crazy, she's into
the woo, you know, andall that kind of stuff that I knew
it might it might have been anissue, but I didn't know that I
was going that there are people thatare so dead set on, you know,
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Bigfoot not being any kind of paranormalsupernatural being, you know. So
so I took some bullets. I'mnot gonna lie, I did, and
uh and so shout out to allmy my boots on the ground field researchers
out there that that are putting informationout there though, you know, and
and for even having an open mindwane right, I mean, what how
do you How important is it tohave an open mind about all this?
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I think if you don't have anopen mind, you should stay at home
and definitely keep shut I mean youyou just you should just shut up.
If you're not willing to hear otherpeople out and just consider what they say
they've seen, then you you're doinga disjustice to the field. I believe
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we're not going you know, Isay it so many times on my show.
Shows like yours and like mine arethe best research that we have because
we can get out you know,you know, you get out your boots
on the ground, on boots onthe ground. We can get out and
do all that you know stuff,all that research, all the time,
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all day long, and nine timesout of ten we're not going to come
across anything. Anybody that says theyfind something every time they go out there
lying it's not possible. But whenyou and I interview these people that have
seen something, that is the bestway that we have. That's the best
tool that we have to learn aboutthese things until we have one in captivity
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where we have a body or orhowever you feel about that. Nobody's got
one tied up in their basement,nobody. There's no other way to study
these things other than getting out inthe field doing what we do, which
is limited, or listening to peoplethat have witnessed them. No eye witnesses
encounters are the best tool that wehave right now. In my opinion,
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that's right, and I love themor leave them. You know, there's
certain big foot field research groups.You know, there's one in particular,
actually b fro O that you knowmy I don't necessarily I've never been a
part of that group before. Ithink they're a great organization, but I
know that from interviewing people and havingsome of the guys on my team being
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a part of that. You know, they're not real big on adding like
UFOs to their field reports and thingslike that, you know, but it's
a it's a great place to startoff if you're wanting to get in a
big footfield research right but they havegreat reports like they do take reports.
I think that's so important for theresearch is knowing where those reports are and
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like getting an idea of like whereare these and you can access all those
reports online on their website. Okay, and yes, it's so important,
right yeah, I mean you canthink whatever you want about the BFR.
Oh, you know, we allhave our opinions about them. They won't
accept anything I get woo, Iguess, I mean who but they won't
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accept anything like that. But andmost field researchers and just by any of
that, I know, the firstthing you do when you have a new
area that you want to go andlook in, the first thing you do
is you go on the BFR whenyou pull up that county and you see
how many encounters they have they've hadthere. Yes, that's an awesome tool.
It really is that. I mean, that is a great thing that
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they're doing for the community. Imean, love them or hate them,
they got it right, they do. I think it's so important. Now
as a researcher, have you everreported any of your bigfoot sightings or any
kind of sighting that you've ever hadto an organization? Because I haven't.
No, I mean it kind ofdefeats right. Yeah, you know I
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keep them for myself. I knowI do too, And so like I'm
always telling people it's important to makethose reports, but see, I keep
it with my team. I guessso, I don't know's there's a double
standard when it comes to field researchers. I guess, right, yeah,
maybe we shouldn't be that one,but I know, right, well,
let's see when you yeah, Imean even with UFOs, like with a
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move on, right, I've seenmany u of those in my lifetime,
some up close and uh, andI have never reported a single one of
those to move on or anybody butmy team most Jessica, have you ever
seen orbs? Did we talk aboutthat when you were wrong? Yes,
Oh my gosh, Yes, Ihave seen many orbs, and I've seen
different types of orbs. Now whatabout you, Wayne, have you seen
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orbs? I've never This is whatI tell people. I might be able
to mark one of these off ofmy list, but there's just a few
things that I haven't experienced one goingout there that are traditionally reported in bigfoot
sidings. You know you've got thesmell. I've never smelled one. I've
never smelled that smell. I've neverI've never seen orbs, but orbs is
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fairly new. You know that that'sa fairly new phenomenon or for me anyway.
Yeah, I've never noticed that.I've never seen an orb. And
the third thing which I think Ican scratch off my list now is I've
never had anything thrown at me.But this past nothing. This past weekend.
I was at the Smoky Mountain Conferencethis past weekend, but the weekend
before that, I was on anexpedition up in above Knoxville, Tennessee.
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A family having some issues at theirvacation home, so they allowed us to
go up in camp for a coupleof days. Beautiful cabin out in just
the middle of nowhere. I wishthey would have left us the key so
we could stay inside, but wehaven't quite got to that point yet.
Oh yeah, we camped out ontheir property and we just had a crazy
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weekend. There was so much stuffthat go that went on. I shared
a video where we got some eyeshine, not saying it was big, but
eyeshine, but there was something thatwas looking at us. But getting back
to the rock throwing. These people, like I said, they had a
cabin, and like most cabins,they had a tin roof. If an
acorn or something falls on a roofthat makes a very distinct sound. If
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something hits the side of a houseor a girl ours, or just a
board, that makes a completely differentsound. Stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey.
It was about yeah, it wasabout one or two o'clock in the
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afternoon. We were just sitting around, you know, just bs and talking,
and a rock hit the side ofthe house with some velocity. I
mean it was moving and it hitthe side of the house. I bring
up the ten roof thing because itwasn't anything balling it, because that made
a completely different sound. I gotup and I threw some rocks up on
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the roof just so we could hearthe difference. And it was something something
got thrown against the house. I'mvery confident in saying. But it only
happened at one time, That's whatThat's what really troubles me, because you
think that it was a big footor something like that, and they were
trying to get our attention or tryingto get us to leave. They would
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have done it more than once.So that's what I can't really understand.
So those three things. The smellI've never experienced, the orbs, I
haven't experience and maybe I've experienced thatsomething thrown at me. Oh my gosh,
I've had all that happened to me, Wayne, all of it,
and and well, no, it'sjust it's it's been such an experience,
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right, I mean, I've beencamping up at one of our most i'm
gonna say, the hottest spot,like a hots We have a lot of
hot spots that we do our researchat, but we have this one in
particular right up in North Georgia,and h one night we had something came
into our base camp and screamed atus really loud, and then it proceeded
all night to throw acorns and rocksat our tents all night, and and
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the thing was like we could hearthe acorns falling from the trees from like
up to down. But then thesethings were going sho like you could hear
the velocity, like you could hearit like going sideways in hitting the side
of our tent all night. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about. I think we talkeda little bit about that on my show,
about that inexperience that reminds me y'allstayed right, you stayed all night?
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Yes, we always stay we're not. We ain't scared. Is that
the time that that you were talkingabout y'all got real sleepy? Yes,
we all went to bed. Yeah, well we all just well, okay,
so that happens a lot of times, right when we're out there and
we have a lot of activity goingon, a lot of And I've had
other people tell me the same thing, who are out there doing boots on
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the ground research. You have alot of activity in the middle of the
night, you should normally stay upall night and keep watch right and do
some investigating. Well, we justkind of I just thought it was because
we've been doing this for so long, you know, like we're just we're
out there, and plus like we'reall getting older, you know, we're
tired. Yeah, there's been ah, we would do this a long time,
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and so when when the going getstough, we just go to bed
sometimes, you know, if it'sin the base camp. But I can
tell you, Wayne, not asingle one of us fell asleep that whole
night. But we all went intoour tents and you know, and I
know nobody went to sleep because nobodysnored, okay, and uh, and
we were all getting pelted with rocksand acorns all night. But but yeah,
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there's something that happens. It's almostThat's why I feel like there's an
et element, like an extraterrestrial potentiallyextraterrestrial element. When we're having this big
Foot activity, we're having this likeinterdimensional activity going on out there. I
think that I feel like there's somekind of extraterrestrial element to it, and
it kind of like puts you tosleep or something. It's really odd or
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at least makes you want to goleave down. Yeah, well, what
do you think about infrasound? Doyou think that could I think that's part
of it. Yeah, I thinkthat could totally be part of it.
So ill since you you've touched onthat, I've touched on it a few
times. I'm talking on my show. It it seems like every time when
I go out, when I'm layingdown at night and I'm asleep, something
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wakes me. And not every time, but a lot of times when I
go out, something wakes me froma dead sleep, and I know that
there's something out there. I knowthat something woke me up, but I
and that's the reason I'm there.I'm there to have the experience to gather
information and evidence, but I cannotmake myself get out of bed and go.
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Look. It's like I fall backasleep. And normally, if you
feel like something's walking around or someone'swalking around in your camp while you're trying
to sleep, you're not gonna goback to sleep. You're gonna be on
high alert. Right, Yeah,you think that's not how it works.
So why isn't it if it wasa prowler, if it was a person,
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do you think maybe we'd have adifferent we'd feel differently, we would
be more alert. I don't want. Oh yeah, absolutely, I think
so for sure. I mean,and it's not just one of us,
it's like all of us. AndI remember that one night, every single
one of us did sit and Iremember we laid in our cots, in
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our beds and our tents whatever,in us leaping bags. We were all
just listening, and we knew thatwe were all away because nobody was snoring.
And then about halfway through the night, the head of my team whispers,
he goes, remember we do thisfor fun. You know. It's
like we're all just sitting there,just like getting pelted with rocks and acorns.
It was almost like we were allan alert, waiting to We were
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waiting to go on the defensive ifwe had to, okay, because we
didn't know what was out there.But we well, see, here's the
thing. Like it's almost like wewanted the experience of it, and we
knew that if we went outside ofour tents, it was gonna stop.
Okay, does that make sense too? So yeah, so if we had
emerged from our tents, it wouldhave gone away probably. So maybe we
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were just waiting for it to walkinto our camp, you know, that
kind of a thing, because itwas there. It was in our camp,
it was just behind ours. Hints. Yeah, you're telling that story
has stuck with me about something runninginto your camp and screaming. That was
that same night. That was whatit was. I would poop myself,
I really would. I would poopmyself. Yeah, you would. It's
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not that scary. I mean itwas. It was. It was startling,
But like once you're out in thewoods and you're doing that field research
all the time, I mean,you start having these experiences and and it's
more exciting than anything. Really,it's not it's not really scary once you're
innoculated to it and it happens alot it because we're it's just an adventure,
okay, but it's also an adventurethat keeps you tired the next day
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and you'll have like circles under youreyes and stuff because you didn't sleep all
night. But but that's why we'reout there, and uh, and I'm
out there to get the experience justlike you are. I want to I
want to see for myself what's reallyout there. Yeah. Now I've had
one what I believe to be onesiding, and I got a thermal picture
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of it. I didn't think Ishould have sent it to you so that
we could share it. I've sharedit everywhere. If anybody's familiar with my
show, they've seen it. ButI'll send it to you when we get
done. You can put it up. But yes, it happened on Pigeon
Mountain. You know, you andI talked about a Pigeon Mountain. It's
in Lafayette, Georgia and North Georgia. And what got me thinking about this
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was talking about, you know,the being tired and not being able to
get up and and all that stuff. What led us to go back to
that same spot was a couple ofweeks prior this was in January of twenty
twenty twenty one. I believe Januaryof twenty twenty one. Me and the
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vice president of my research organization,Animal Research, mister Derek Walls, I
call them Walls. We were upthere, I'm Pigeon Mountain as our first
time ever being there. We wentup and we didn't really neither of us
are hunters. We didn't realize thatit was the last weekend of deer season
in North Georgia. So whenever thelast weekend of deer season was, that's
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when we were there. So itwas in January, cold as hell is
bitterly cold. So we get there. I check in. This is off
subject, but I'll share it,okay. I check in with the ranger
when we first get there, andI go in. I meet this young
man. He's in his early tomid twenties, very polite, personable,
Yes, sir, no, sir, shook my hand. Great kid,
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just a really good kid. SoI felt comfortable. He put me at
ease. I felt comfortable saying,well, we're a pair going to be
looking for into bigfoot reports. Therehave been reports on this mountain. Have
you heard anything or seen anything,Jessica, I swear to God. He
looks me in the eye and hetells me Bigfoot. No, but we've
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had the over reports of gnomes,gnomes, gnomes, the little people.
Huh, the little people? Yeah, no way, I've been hearing reports
that it was more often myself.Really. Yeah, absolutely, the little
people in your area. No,not in Georgia, No, North Carolina.
My friend David Pardu actually has avideo of some little people. Yeah.
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They We considered them to probably bealiens though in that video that he
has, but we're not sure so. But yeah, I've been in Alaska.
This was Georgia. We're gonna haveto talk about this some more.
This is interesting, Yeah, itwas. It was on Pigeon Mountain.
He told me that one of thepeople that reported seeing them was like a
twenty plus year veteran, a rangerthat worked there, and he told me
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a story and I don't remember workfor work. They talked about they were
doing some construction work there, someearthwork at doze or of stuff, moving
stuff around, and one of theworkers saw one and reported it and like
report it to a ranger, andhe said that the ranger made a phone
call to someone and twenty minutes laterthey completely shut the side down, told
everybody that they had to leave.I don't know, Yeah, I don't
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know how much truth there is tothat. I can't don't know if there's
any way to validate it, butit might be cool to look into.
I can believe that. Okay,I've heard that before too, that like
when there's a dog man sighting,right, a big foot or whatever,
if you tell like a park rangerthere's a number that they have to they
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call, like they're they're told tocall this phone number, and then like
the I don't want to see likefederal agents, but like somebody shows up
and uh, and so maybe maybethat's why inherently, like I know,
like not to report my big footsightings and I and we're seeing there's important
to report these sightings and things likethat. But like let's just say national
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parks for instance, right, nationalparks. Okay, we have all these
people that are going missing right now? Is Pigeon Mountain International Park? Do
you know is that a state parkor national park? It's a WMA,
a Wildlife Management Area. I don'tknow that it's connected to any park though,
Well, so that's federal land managementthen, right, Okay, so
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that's covered by the government. Yeah, so this little So when we're out
there in like the deep woods,we're getting these reports, we're experiencing it
for ourselves. You know, maybeit's not the best idea to report them
because they're they're getting these phone callsto come in, and they're they're telling
the rangers to call them or whateverto come in and either eradicate them.
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I mean, what do you thinkthey're doing, eradicating them or Yeah,
you know, that's that's touchy,Jessica. I mean, we don't want
to tell people not to report itto like government officials, but there again,
do we trust government officials when itcomes to stuff like this. We
absolutely want people to report them toorganizations like ours so that we can go
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out and look into it. WeI mean, I know you guys do
too. I've spent so much moneyon the equipment and my organization. The
people in my organization we pay dues, We pay monthly dues and it all
goes into a pot and we buyat that pace for our expeditions and equipment
and stuff like that. But I'vespent a lot of money on my own
on the stuff too, So reportingit to organizations like ours. We have
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the equipment and we make the timeto go out there and look into it.
But I just I don't know.I don't know if we should,
if I should feel, if Ifeel right telling people not to report it
to government officials. I guess,make your own mind up. I don't
know. Yeah, just go withyour gut, y'all. Go with your
gut, and that's all we cando. Yeah, I start talking about
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the gnomes and it got me offsubject. But we were there Pigeon Mountain
check in with the We head upthere and we're thinking, last weekend of
deer season, we're not going toget anything. So we were bummed out.
And to add to it, laterthat night, after it got dark,
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something happened. There was some kindof medical emergency. I believe a
hiker or a hunter maybe got lost, because some trucks, some ranger trucks
and an ambulance came flying down thesedirt roads. Later that night and we're
out doing this walk. It's liketen eleven o'clock at night. It's very
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dark outside. We're doing this walk, and we keep hearing this helicopter come
flying around the area, and Iswear to god, this thing starts hovering
over us, and we're like,what the hell is this helicopter doing.
He's just hovering above us, watchingus, and we think that what happens
was we think that they had likethe thermal or the infrared imaging, and
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they were just checking us out becausethey were looking for somebody. We think
somebody either got lost or was hurtor something and they were looking for him.
But with all that stuff going on, we were pretty we accepted that
nothing was going to happen. Thereweren't going to be any big but out
tonight. There's just too much goingon. So we packed it up early
and we were we were old,like you said, out of shape,
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tired, We ate our burgers.I'm not calling my team all of y'all.
I'm not. We've just been doingthis a long time, that's all.
Yeah. Now, we got bed, got four and everything, and
got tired, and we went tobed about one o'clock at night. We
usually stay up way later, butwe went to bed, and before I
did, I set my voice recorderon our table and I covered it up
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with some chips. You know,the small little bags of chips your mom
used to putting your lunch box whenyou were a kid, like the individual
party size packs. We bought abunch of those, and I sat it
on top of the recorder and wewent to bed. And the tent was
about ten or fifteen feet away fromthat table, and you can hear us
talking inside the tent, you knowa lot of people do. And you
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talk until you fall asleep. Twentytwenty five minutes later, you don't hear
talking anymore. You hear snoring.So we'll sleep, And I swear to
God, now I didn't. Wedidn't know what's happened until a week or
so later when I was reviewing theaudio. About twenty twenty five minutes after
we went to sleep, we starthearing this something like something stepping walking into
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our camp, and then the chipsbeing played with, like rustled. And
then after the chips were being rustled, do you hear and then like small
feet running away? And didn't youhear that again, like something bigger walking
away. Oh, we didn't seeit. No, it's only speculation.
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But from what you hear in yourmind, one you picture mama big Foot
walking into camp, getting some chips, had it, handing it to baby
big Foot, dropping them in Babybig Foot running away and Mama Bigfoot walking
behind him. Did that happen?But we got it on audio, and
that's what led us to go backa couple of weeks later when we had
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where we got the thermal hit ofsomething that was eight foot tall with something
smaller in front of it, runningaround playing in front of it. Wow,
that's fascinating. Wow that all happenedright in your backyard. Oh listen,
I believe it. I we havemore big foot activity in the North
Georgia Mountains than we have anywhere.And my teams we researched all over the
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South, Okay, and I've evenbeen to Tennessee. By the way,
I know you're up in Tennessee.I just recently did a field investigation of
a couple's home. They have fourhundred and eighty eight acres up in north
the center of Tennessee. Like Northup it's called Whitley Bill, Okay,
so in the middle of nowhere withcaves and all that. And they have
big foot activity up there. AndI know there's a lot of big foot
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activity, dog man activity, butNorth Georgia Mountains, I gotta tell you,
they got the most big foots.And speaking of big foots, we
got big foot Michigan Rob in thechat. Thank you for that superstick or
Rob. Y'all go subscribe to hischannel. Please, Hello b tomorrow Man,
thank you for being here. Yeah, and they've got big foots up
in Michigan too, by the way, So they're everywhere, but of the
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North Georgia Mountains are where it's atif you want to have a big foot
sighting. That's my opinion. I'mnot gonna get my locations away, but
yes, they're up there. Well, I need you to give me a
couple I'll meet you up there sometime. Listen, we don't live that far
from each other, so we'll bemeeting up and doing a trip sometime.
I'm gonna hold you that. I'vetalked to a couple of members of my
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members, one in particular, misterKevin, if you're watching, buddy,
He commented said that we needed toget out in the woods with you because
you're a ball of energy, anduh, we'd have fun out there.
You get out and showing us somenew spots. Well shoot, yeah,
well there's there's plenty of them outthere. Yeah, But the North Georgia
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Mountains are so just thick with vegetationand places for these things to hide.
And Okay, my question to youis do you think that bigfoots could have
supernatural powers? And I know yousaid earlier than you do that you got
to keep open mind. But wheredo they go when they're sleeping? Do
you think that they are interdimensional beingsor do you think they're just going into
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a cave or something like? Where? Where are these things going at night
or during the daytime when we don'tsee them them? Having that ability to
go from dimension to dimensional would absolutelyexplain why we don't see them. It
would. Uh, scientists won't acceptthat, I mean mainstream science or they're
never going to accept that, butyou know we can as field researchers as
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something that we can look into.So that would explain. That would answer
the question if they had those abilities. But if they don't and they are
flesh and blood, and this isthe reason science has such a problem with
it, because they believe that ifthey exist, they're flesh and blood,
that's what they have to be,where do they go and answer that question?
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You hit it right on the head. I think they go into caves.
Yeah, pigeon Mountain is full ofcaves. They're I mean they're everywhere
up there, this area down herein the South, it is full of
caves. I mean they're all overthe place. And people will argue,
why if these things are so elusive, why would they back themselves into a
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corner by going into a cave.Well, we don't know that they're backing
themselves into a corner. They've beentraveling these cave systems for thousand years.
Probably they know the ends and theounce and how where to go and where
not to go. But I thinkthat's just a silly argument. But it
stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.I think cave systems is the answer.
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I really do. And I don'tknow. I'm sure you've seen that map
that overlays missing people with a mapof the cave systems in the US.
Have you seen? Yeah? Ofcourse, of course told me that someone
told me that's not But really Idon't Yeah, but I don't know.
I mean, every there's always goingto be somebody that cross bowl on stuff
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like that. But I haven't heardseen anything scientific to tell me that it
wasn't real. Until I do,I'm going to say that there's a connection.
I think I think there could bea connection there. Yeah, I
think there's a connection too. Andnow I got to tell you something really
interesting, right, because I amI'm trained. I do tracking, right,
I'm a tracker. I know howto do. I do human tracking,
animal tracking, whatever, right.And uh, when I was I've
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been Tennessee at that property, atFarah and her husband's property, they have
this huge cave right behind their house, okay, and these chickens were being
taken there, their pet chickens werebeing taken. Something was actually opening up
the chicken pen taking chickens out,and the only things that were left these
chickens were like feathers. Okay,there's no carnage, no blood, no
body parts, no nothing. Andbut there was a trail of feathers at
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one point going into that cave.Okay. So and there was a foot
there was one footprint that looked likea sasquatch footprint beside the chicken coop.
All right. So I go upthere with a team of guys and we're
looking through that cave, like weliterally went into that cave. I was
looking for tracks, right, I'mlooking for any kind of sign a big
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foot in that cave, and Igotta tell you, there was a zero.
There was nothing, no footprints,no sign, no nothing. I
couldn't find anything. And he wouldthink that, like there were the feathers
that were going up there, therewas. It clearly looked as a sasquash
had taken those chick There was nosign of bigfoot at all, no footprints.
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Now could they have like jumped upinto like one of the caverns in
the top of the cave and likenot going through the main part, Yeah,
totally, but those are tiny littlecaverns, so I don't know.
It was just it was interesting.You got me really interested in that property.
That Yeah, that strange big foot. I mean, so something's going
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in there, Something with hands isopening the chicken goop and not killing the
chicken rut there, but picking itup and carrying it at all. Now,
let me ask you this, arethey leaving chickens, are they or
are they taking everything they can?Okay, that was such a great question
because what my hypothesis is that theyare taking the chickens to raise their own
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eggs. Okay, I don't thinkthey're even killing the chickens. They took
some of the hens and it washens and there was no blood. I
feel like perhaps potentially they're wanting justto have their own eggs and raise their
own chickens. Potentially that was myfa They don't take all the chickens drop,
No, they only took a couple, and there was like a stick,
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like a long stick stuck into theback of the pin of the where
the chickens were, Like it waspoking at the chickens to shoe them to
the front of the to where thedoor was. So it shows some intelligence,
right, something with the posable zumpstoo. That's I mean, when
you get evidence like that, youthe only thing it can be is a
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sasquatch or a person, you know, a federal person, right, you've
been talking about feral people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and those guys
were cool, but yeah, Imean you narrow it down to either a
sasquatch or you've got an intruder ora trespasser that's coming on. And have
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they put cameras up or anything?Oh yeah, Oh, there were cameras
all over the place. Yeah,they have multiple cameras outside the house.
And Pharaoh was picking up orbs andleft recording devices out by the cave.
And she was picking up voices.And yeah, the camera actually the last
night that the chickens were taken,the camera had been moved right before the
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chickens were taken. Yeah, sothe camera was actually facing in the opposite
direction for the first time ever.Yeah, so there was no footage.
So that shows intelligence too, yall. Y'all got a cool bloss up there.
Yes, oh yeah, right.I I was super happy to be
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there. It was an awesome investigation. I was up there with the guys
from Crypti Warfare podcasts, Zooke andDrew Ski and their friends, and we
made an operation out of it.It was fantastic. Yeah, we ended
up not getting a whole lot ofcryptid activity up there, but we got
paranormal activity. Actually in the cave. We picked up figures on the SLS
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cameras. One was a giant andthere were two little tiny ones and they
were interacting with us. Yeah.It was wild. Yeah, super weird
stuff. They can do a wholeshow talking about that investigation. Yeah.
Yeah, and hey, let meknow if you want to, if you
want me to bring send some ofmy friends over too. They can tell
you all about it on your shottoo. If y'all go back up there.
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I'd love to go with you.Yeah, hey, we'll take you.
We're we got to plan a tripfor sure, because we're too close
in proximity to each other to notbe going out and doing some big footing
together for sure with your team.Yeah yeah, yeah. What is the
strangest thing you've ever come across outin the field. The strangest thing I
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didn't come across it. And again, if we were on my stream yard,
I could share this picture with you. But it's a guy that is
new to my group. His name'sCraig. Shout out to Craig if you're
watching, buddy. But this areathat he's been looking into, he found
this old dead tree. And thismight not be strange to a lot of
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you, but it's strange to me. There's this down tree that's clearly dead,
and there's a boulder that is sittingon top of it. I'm not
talking to rock. I'm not talkinglike a basketball sized rock. I'm talking
about a little bit smaller than aVolkswagen boulders sitting on top of this tree.
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How there's no way, no possibleway that it could be there,
and it just it's scary to thinkabout if something put that boulder there,
the strength that it possesses. Imean, because we're talking maybe a ton
that this thing weighs. And Ishowed it. I talked about it for
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a while on my show, andI showed the pictures of it, and
of course we have people in theretalking about what loggers did it. Loggers
picked it up with the equipment andsat it on there. Why why would
they do that? That doesn't makeany sense. And it's in a state
park. I don't think they doa whole lot of logging and state parks
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so and the area around it,you can see that it's never been logged
before. There's all kinds of treesthere. I mean, I didn't buy
that, but that was strange.And another guy told me that I worked
with, told me about finding afire hydrant, fire hydrant, a fire
extinguisher well underneath a down tree outand just miles away from anything in the
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woods. And I mean, howdoes that happen? Somebody just take a
fire extinguisher out there and throw itdown and then the tree just happens to
fall on it. How do thestuff like that? Yeah, a lot
of a lot of things just don'tmake sense. And so that's where we
have to use our common sets tounderstand that this stuff don't make sense.
Okay, now sounds southern as heck. I know, it just doesn't make
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sense a lot of it. Butwhat didn't this world makes sense anymore?
Wayne? That's my question? Whatmakes sense anymore of especially when you're dealing
with big fut out there? Yeah? Do you come up well on a
bunch of like X structures and treestructures and tps and what do you think
about that kind of stuff? Ahsee them all the time. They're they're
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everywhere. You know, I don'tknow, I don't know what to make
of it. A lot of itcan be explained, but like just natural,
no mother nature, just a treefalling or limbs falling. But when
when you see saplings bent over andthen wedged between other trees, something with
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hands had to do it. Itwasn't a tornado that came through that wedge
this tree twelve different ways. Andthen you see like webb a bunch of
limbs like woven together and stuff.That stuff can't be explained. You know,
I think they're they're signed. There'slike symbols or signs or markers of
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something. Will we ever know whatthey're displaying. I don't know that we
ever will, but I think they'remarkers of some sort, really do Yeah,
I think that the X the Xmarkers, I think those are markers
for sure. I think there's somekind of territorial thing even what I mean,
if if they do know where theEarth's natural portals are, it could
be like a spot like hey,this is where we come in and out,
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you know, I mean, whoknows. Everybody's got an opinion on
it. But but I also alwayssay, like, we can't we can't
underestimate the power of a drunk camperor like board campers or boy scouts,
you know what I mean. Andthey should be a bump the sticker or
a T shirt right and a hat. I think those would sell for sure.
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Yeah, never underestimate the the potentialof a drunk camper because you know,
a lot of a lot of timeslike they will go out there and
they also they'll go out there andthey'll make tps and debris huts. And
I'm not saying those are drunk campers, even though my team has been out
there many times where we have learnedand taught each other how to make debris
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huts and stuff like that. Soyou know, when people send me pictures
of stuff like of like debris hutsand things, I don't really use that
as like evidence on my shows andstuff because I know that a human probably
made that. Yeah, but it'sall about doing it yourself, so like
you know that humans are capable ofdoing it, so you don't assume everything's
a big foot, you know.I guess that's part of the research.
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Yeah, I mean, I thinkthat is the most important thing that we
as researchers need to do. Weneed to when we see something, never
assome that that it's big foot,and do everything we can to eliminate any
other possible ability. And I thinkthat's what a good researcher does. I'm
sure that's what you and your teamdo. Take every other scenario out of
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play, and with what you areleft with was big boot, then present
it as evidence. I think alot of us, a lot of the
people out there, especially with thepictures this Paradoia stuff. I mean,
it drives me crazy. I knowa lot of those pictures are legit,
there is something there, but foreveryone that there's something there, there's probably
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in my opinion, there's probably fivethat there's not, And I think I
think it does a disservice to thesubject. If you put out a piece
of evidence that you're not one hundredpercent certain and those pictures you cannot be
one hundred percent certain. I'm sorry. I feel like it gives us a
bad It gives us a bad name. It doesn't have a subject, a
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subject that has already looked down onby so many people. When you start
putting pictures like that out at theblurry pictures and the pictures of a woodline
that could possibly be ahead or ashoulder, that you're just hurting us.
In my opinion, you need tobe sure that you have something before you
release it. In my opinion,yes, well, I just don't show
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the Paradoia stuff on my shows andthings like that. But it's not to
say that these people aren't having realexperiences out there though, you know,
and so and I love a goodaccount of like something that happens to somebody,
and uh, and a lot oftimes I'll get, like my team
we get phone calls from people likestate park rangers and stuff that are like,
I'm having all this activity here,you know, and we don't send
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the whole team out to go investigate. We usually send like one or two
people out at the most just togo scout it to make sure that what
they're saying adds a you know,before we actually send a whole team out
there to research. And so Ithink that's a good rule of thumb because
they say, yeah, so manypeople, how many people you got in
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your organization, your group? Well, I'm on I'm on three different research
teams. So but but we allkind of inter we we intermingle, like
we're all like we're all kind ofon each person's teams, like we're all
most of the same people are onthe same teams, but we're just in
different regions. So I'm going tosay there's about fifteen of us, just
(53:23):
round about number, Yeah, aboutfifteen something like that. I'd say we've
got about twelve in manimal ten totwelve. I had them in multiple states,
and I've tried to not do thatas much because you if someone did
in Missouri or Virginia, you can'treally keep a grasp on what what all
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they're doing and everything, you know, with ten to twelve people. A
problem I'm having, and I'm sureyou are too is you know, we're
all adults. We all have otherresponsibilities, no families, kids and jobs.
Just by I'm in the time toget together. You know, that's
something the problem that we're having.Yeah, because it's it's expensive and it's
(54:07):
time consuming, but it's so worthit because it's so fun. It is
and I can't wait to get outin the field with you guys one day.
It's gonna be a lot of fun. And tell everybody, Okay,
this hour has gone by so fast. I know I started the show a
couple of minutes late because my computerwent haywire. But this has been amazing.
Wayne, I've had a really goodtime talking to you tonight. Where
(54:28):
can my audience find you? What'syour YouTube channel? Okay, I appreciate
that. Yeah, if everyone wouldgo and give me a subscribe, I
would appreciate it. I'm right thereat the two thousand mark and I would
love to be there about tomorrow ifyou guys can help me out. It's
a Paranormal Odyssey. Lab is myYouTube channel. There is a normal Odyssey.
(54:51):
I need to add live to it. Well, I'm not sure if
the LAB is on there or not. I think it is, but you
just put in Paranormal Odyssey, You'reyou're gonna find me, and my research
organization is minimal Research. I gotthat group on Facebook. Feel free to
head over there and become a member. I would love to have you come
and share some of your experiences.My YouTube channel, Paranormal Odyssey. I
(55:15):
do a live show every Tuesday nightat seven thirties. Some weeks i'll do
an extra one and get a coupleof extra like I did one last night.
But every episode that I do Irelease to podcast, and that's where
I have a much bigger reach.I can't even I mean ten to twelve
(55:37):
thousand downloads a month. I getyeah on my podcast, So anything I
do on the YouTube channel gets uploadedto podcast, and I interview more people
that don't get a live show,so you get extra content. I release
an episode every Wednesday and Sunday onParanormal Audycy and you can get that anywhere
(55:58):
you get podcasts, Pool, Spotify, all that stuff. And give me
a rating review, guys, helpme out. Five stars only, y'all,
five stars only. He's amazing.Yeah, you're you have such a
great show and and I really enjoybeing on there. Thank you. For
inviting me to be one of youryour guests, because it's just it's a
lot of fun. I'm glad Ihave friends up in Tennessee that go research
(56:22):
in North Georgia. Because yeah,it's it's a good time. So Wayne,
thank you so much for being heretoday. I'm sorry. I had
so many technical difficulties. I don'tknow what's wrong. There's something in the
water tonight, but hey, wepulled through. Like I always say,
whenever you have a good guest ora good interview, the hours blah blah,
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and this one absolutely bla by.I had had a blast, Jeska,
thank you, thank you. Well, it's not the last time you're
gonna be on space Stout Radio.I'm bringing you back on soon. Okay,
be here, Okay, awesome,Wayne, have a wonderful night.
Thanks again. I'll see you soon. Okay, thanks man, Okay,
mine alright, y'all. Way wasamazing. That was such a good time,
(57:02):
y'all. They say you don't gottago home, but you can stay.
Oh, I don't want to bewith thee. We're all out trying
(57:42):
to try to try everything. Callit right back, ride back my joy
for me. Try to stay rightnow I'm calling right away, so said
(58:37):
per back by posal for pay Pollybassissssssss
I was listening to the story aboutIt was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called thebig Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effortto steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in thatplay. Him behind me, Well,
nothing but a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me
(00:25):
and taken both of my children andI wouldn't know. His father just got
like a mustang or something. WhyomingOkay, he had it out in the
corral because he couldn't put it inthe barn with the in the stalls,
with the other horses that would kickand made all the other ones is nervous
at a seminal Indian working the horse, trying to break it. Every day
(00:48):
they had it out in the carrawl. This skunk game snuck up behind his
horse and grabbed it bonnets, hindquarters. This particular horse kicks out,
jumps over the corral, runs intothe pat you know, to get away.
At this point, the ranchers outthere just blessed away with the thirty
thirty skunk gave blends into the swamp. I went up there one day after
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that or two days after that,I went up there and sat in the
silence up there, and I'm tellingyou, man, it was free.
It was crazy, you know itwas. There was a crazy vibe up
there. Still. I did whatI could to kind of get things under
control. But I told her,I said, you didn't even get off
this problem. I feel like,no matter how strong you are, it's
almost like standing in the ocean,you can't stand still without moving your feet.
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You're gonna get knocked over eventually.No matter how strong whatever, you
can't withstand a barrage of a weirdspiritual energy. Hey, what's up,
everybody, it's Wayne. Welcome backto your paranormal odyssey, guys. I
thought we would try something a littledifferent on this episode. I was actually
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the guest over on space Out Radio. I guess it's about a month ago
with Miss Jessica Jones, the CryptidHuntress. I had her on this show
for a couple of episodes, andshe invited me to come over to spaced
Out Radio and do an interview withher, and I had just a really,
really good time. Jessica is It'sa great person. She does a
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lot for the big book community,and she's always out in the field,
you know, putting in those hoursand it was just really really fun getting
to sit down and talk to her. It was different getting to be the
person interview instead of the person askingthe questions. So it's got it'd be
cool to bring that to you,guys. Hope that you enjoy it.
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that's a n up of all ofthat. I know that you were
ready. I am ready. Let'sget started. Wayne Sothrow is the host
of the Paranormal Odyssey podcast as wellas the founder and president of Manimal Research,
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a small sasquatch research organization based outof Southeast Tennessee. Manimal was formed
in twenty nineteen, and Wayne hasled many field investigations in the years since
starting has uncovered some interesting evidence alongthe way. Okay also, Wayno was
approached in twenty twenty two to takeover the hosting duties of the Paranormal Odyssey
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podcast after hosting his own YouTube chanon the subject of big footsis twenty twenty.
He's well respected in the community andclearly displays a passion for the subject.
And I'm gonna get my act togetherhere y'all and please help me.
Welcome to the show tonight, mybuddy, Wayne. What's up? Wayne?
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I think I'm doing you have beentonight? Yes, you know what.
I just did a podcast like rightbefore the show and it completely I
think it like overheated my computer orsomething. I'm not sure what happened.
So yeah, I feel like I'mjuggling a bunch of plates right now.
That's what I'm doing. But it'sso good to have you here. Thank
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you so very much. You're you'rehandling it well, Oh my god,
thank you, thank you. I'mjust a bill hot mess. I'm just
glad that I made it on airtonight. That's all I'm worried about.
And so it doesn't matter if I'msweating bullets. It's okay. We're gonna
get through this because we're having agood time. We always have a good
time here at Space Out Radio.Actually, and Wayne, I had a
really good time hanging out with youon your show. We just did a
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two part series okay on over atParanormal odyssey. So tell my audience a
little bit about your your podcast anduh and kind of let's let's talk about
how you got into big footing alittle bit too, all right, Well,
which one you want to jump intofirst? Because I got into the
big footing first, so you'll startthere. Absolutely, let's go with the
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big footing first because you actually researchsome of the areas that I researched with
my team. Yeah, it wasback in twenty nineteen. I've always had
a livelong interest in cryptids and mainlyyou know, big bootis king. You
know, he's the top dog wentwhen you talk about cryptids, and always
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had an interest in you know,when I was a kid, get to
go to the library once a weekand check out a book or a couple
of books and keep those for aweek, and then you come back and
you put them, you know,turn them in and get another book.
And I was always checking out anythingon cryptids that I could find. Bigot
locking this monster at Troup of Carboro, you know, all that good stuff.
But like I said, big Bootwas king, and back in two
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thousand and nineteen, I was workinga job about an hour from my house,
about fifty five minute drive there,and then a fifty five minute drive
back and my car went down,so I had to put it in the
shop, and I borrowed an extrapickup truck from my dad. So I'm
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driving this no truck his truck backand forth to work. And the second
day I have his truck, theradio goes out. I'm like, what
the heck? Two hours a daydriving with nothing to listen to. That's
when I discovered podcasts. So Istarted listening to a cryptid podcasts and I
loved it. I was just Iwas hooked. But I kept finding myself
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wishing that everyone would shut up abouteverything else and just get back to Bigbot,
because that's all I was really interestedin. And I thought there's no
way there's gonna be an entire podcastthat had dedicated strictly to Bigfoot, and
lo and behold, I found onenow side squats Chronicles, that's where I
think everybody gets their start in thebig boot no podcasting realm. So I
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found it and I started listening toit, binging the hell out of it
every chance I got. And Ifound out people were actually going out into
the woods and looking for this thing, and I had always thought they were
out west, you know, Oregon, Washington, California, and I started
listening. In one particular episode,this gentleman talked about having an encounter.
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He lives in a small town aboutforty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee.
I live forty five minutes north ofChattanooga, Tennessee. And then what
he was talking about my town andhe was talking about a place, a
recreation area that I go to andhe had had an encounter in there.
I'm like, what in the hell. So I just started looking into it,
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you know, to getting out inthe woods and doing this stuff on
my own, and I found outa lot of people were doing it.
I looked into joining other groups,like I'm not going to mention them,
but y'all know, I know,yeah, and to uh looked in and
joining other groups, and I justsaw so much negativity, Jessica. I
mean, it's like everyone puts everyonedown. If you don't be a certain
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way the same way that another persondoes, you're wrong, or you're a
liar, or you're a hoax orAnd I just didn't want any of that.
I didn't want anything to do withit. So minimal research was born.
I started getting out in the woods, and I really I put it.
To be honest, I put anad on Craigslist to meet people that,
you know, we're interested in it. And I was blown away at
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the response that I got. Somany people were interested in this subject,
and I meant really really cool people. Yeah. Wow, So I got
my start into big button. That'samazing. You know what might actually was
like opposite of that, because Istarted doing bigfoot research before I even knew
there were podcasts about bigfoots and thingslike that. I mean, I didn't
really listen to podcasts back then becauseI started doing this back in twenty eleven,
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so it's been a while. Andthat was before anybody had like a
big foot sticker on the back oftheir car, you know, like big
Bigfoot wasn't it wasn't like real popularlike it is today. And that's why
I didn't go public for so long. I waited ten years to even go
public at all about my research andthe stuff that we've been doing. And
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so, yeah, what year wasthat when you first started doing your bigfoot
research twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen.Yeah, Well it was getting a little
more popular by then, I thinkbecause they had finding big Foot on TV
and shows like that. Yeah,and since I've been doing this, I
have since I wish I would havegotten started around the time you did,
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or even before, because I mean, there's no telling what I have seen
if I would have dedicated more timeto or any time to it at all
back then, and I had ittwenty years or so, so that I've
been looking into this, there's notelling what I could have seen by now,
you know exactly, Well, Ibet you've seen a lot of cool
stuff though, And and so you'renot out there just looking for Bigfoot,
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right, I mean you don't youkind of cover all the paranormal subjects or
is it mostly just Bigfoot? Asfar as my research and getting out in
the field, it's it's only bigFoot. The show that I host,
Paranormal Odyssey. I talk to peoplethat do everything, you know. I
talked to paranormal investigators, ghost hunters, several psychic mediums. I've talked to
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alien people you have, I'm sorry, people are interested in UFOs, aliens
and stuff like that. Just anythingweird I talk about over there on Paranormal
Odyssey. Yeah, it's like amixed bag of everything. I'd love that
And what do you think about theparanormal like everything being connected. Do you
believe there's a can action between Bigfootand dogman UFOs like ghost all that kind
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of stuff. Is there some kindof weird connection there? You know what,
Jessica, when when I first startedthis, you could not convince me
that big Boot was anything other thana biological creature, blessing blood, just
a North American primate that we haven'tcaught up with yet. That's all it
was to me and anybody talking aboutseeing them get out of UFO or cloaking
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or disappearing in the woods. Imean, I didn't want to hear any
of that. I mean, Irespected your opinion and everything, but I
just I didn't believe it. Ididn't want anything to do with it.
But since I've been talking to peoplesince twenty nineteen, in really twenty twenty
when I started my show on YouTube, I mean I've really come full circle.
I believe. I mean, thesepeople were seeing they're legit. I
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mean, there are some some respected, you know, just well versed people
that are seeing things and it's becomingmore accepted. And these people we're seeing,
I mean you listen to them,and they're truly, they're afraid.
You know, what they saw itreally messed with them. So they saw
something. So I've come full circle. I really believe that there's so much
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more to this topic than I don'tknow. So to answer your question,
that was really a long one toanswer, but yeah, I think that
it's very possible that they all couldbe connected. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So can you understand why I didn'tgo public for ten years? I
guess because you know, when Idid go public, I'm not gonna lie.
The first the first public appearance Imade was kind of unannounced. Nobody
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knew who I was. But thenmy name started getting out there a little
bit, and I started getting smearcampaigns, you know, from like Bigfoot
hoax or groups and stuff like ohthis girl, she's crazy, she's into
the woo, you know, andall that kind of stuff that I knew
it might it might have been anissue, but I didn't know that I
was going that there are people thatare so dead set on, you know,
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Bigfoot not being any kind of paranormalsupernatural being, you know. So
so I took some bullets. I'mnot gonna lie, I did, and
uh and so shout out to allmy my boots on the ground field researchers
out there that that are putting informationout there though, you know, and
and for even having an open mindwane right, I mean, what how
do you How important is it tohave an open mind about all this?
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I think if you don't have anopen mind, you should stay at home
and definitely keep shut I mean youyou just you should just shut up.
If you're not willing to hear otherpeople out and just consider what they say
they've seen, then you you're doinga disjustice to the field. I believe
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we're not going you know, Isay it so many times on my show.
Shows like yours and like mine arethe best research that we have because
we can get out you know,you know, you get out your boots
on the ground, on boots onthe ground. We can get out and
do all that you know stuff,all that research, all the time,
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all day long, and nine timesout of ten we're not going to come
across anything. Anybody that says theyfind something every time they go out there
lying it's not possible. But whenyou and I interview these people that have
seen something, that is the bestway that we have. That's the best
tool that we have to learn aboutthese things until we have one in captivity
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where we have a body or orhowever you feel about that. Nobody's got
one tied up in their basement,nobody. There's no other way to study
these things other than getting out inthe field doing what we do, which
is limited, or listening to peoplethat have witnessed them. No eye witnesses
encounters are the best tool that wehave right now. In my opinion,
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that's right, and I love themor leave them. You know, there's
certain big foot field research groups.You know, there's one in particular,
actually b fro O that you knowmy I don't necessarily I've never been a
part of that group before. Ithink they're a great organization, but I
know that from interviewing people and havingsome of the guys on my team being
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a part of that. You know, they're not real big on adding like
UFOs to their field reports and thingslike that, you know, but it's
a it's a great place to startoff if you're wanting to get in a
big footfield research right but they havegreat reports like they do take reports.
I think that's so important for theresearch is knowing where those reports are and
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like getting an idea of like whereare these and you can access all those
reports online on their website. Okay, and yes, it's so important,
right yeah, I mean you canthink whatever you want about the BFR.
Oh, you know, we allhave our opinions about them. They won't
accept anything I get woo, Iguess, I mean who but they won't
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accept anything like that. But andmost field researchers and just by any of
that, I know, the firstthing you do when you have a new
area that you want to go andlook in, the first thing you do
is you go on the BFR whenyou pull up that county and you see
how many encounters they have they've hadthere. Yes, that's an awesome tool.
It really is that. I mean, that is a great thing that
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they're doing for the community. Imean, love them or hate them,
they got it right, they do. I think it's so important. Now
as a researcher, have you everreported any of your bigfoot sightings or any
kind of sighting that you've ever hadto an organization? Because I haven't.
No, I mean it kind ofdefeats right. Yeah, you know I
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keep them for myself. I knowI do too, And so like I'm
always telling people it's important to makethose reports, but see, I keep
it with my team. I guessso, I don't know's there's a double
standard when it comes to field researchers. I guess, right, yeah,
maybe we shouldn't be that one,but I know, right, well,
let's see when you yeah, Imean even with UFOs, like with a
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move on, right, I've seenmany u of those in my lifetime,
some up close and uh, andI have never reported a single one of
those to move on or anybody butmy team most Jessica, have you ever
seen orbs? Did we talk aboutthat when you were wrong? Yes,
Oh my gosh, Yes, Ihave seen many orbs, and I've seen
different types of orbs. Now whatabout you, Wayne, have you seen
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orbs? I've never This is whatI tell people. I might be able
to mark one of these off ofmy list, but there's just a few
things that I haven't experienced one goingout there that are traditionally reported in bigfoot
sidings. You know you've got thesmell. I've never smelled one. I've
never smelled that smell. I've neverI've never seen orbs, but orbs is
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fairly new. You know that that'sa fairly new phenomenon or for me anyway.
Yeah, I've never noticed that.I've never seen an orb. And
the third thing which I think Ican scratch off my list now is I've
never had anything thrown at me.But this past nothing. This past weekend.
I was at the Smoky Mountain Conferencethis past weekend, but the weekend
before that, I was on anexpedition up in above Knoxville, Tennessee.
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A family having some issues at theirvacation home, so they allowed us to
go up in camp for a coupleof days. Beautiful cabin out in just
the middle of nowhere. I wishthey would have left us the key so
we could stay inside, but wehaven't quite got to that point yet.
Oh yeah, we camped out ontheir property and we just had a crazy
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weekend. There was so much stuffthat go that went on. I shared
a video where we got some eyeshine, not saying it was big, but
eyeshine, but there was something thatwas looking at us. But getting back
to the rock throwing. These people, like I said, they had a
cabin, and like most cabins,they had a tin roof. If an
acorn or something falls on a roofthat makes a very distinct sound. If
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something hits the side of a houseor a girl ours, or just a
board, that makes a completely differentsound. Stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey.
It was about yeah, it wasabout one or two o'clock in the
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afternoon. We were just sitting around, you know, just bs and talking,
and a rock hit the side ofthe house with some velocity. I
mean it was moving and it hitthe side of the house. I bring
up the ten roof thing because itwasn't anything balling it, because that made
a completely different sound. I gotup and I threw some rocks up on
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the roof just so we could hearthe difference. And it was something something
got thrown against the house. I'mvery confident in saying. But it only
happened at one time, That's whatThat's what really troubles me, because you
think that it was a big footor something like that, and they were
trying to get our attention or tryingto get us to leave. They would
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have done it more than once.So that's what I can't really understand.
So those three things. The smellI've never experienced, the orbs, I
haven't experience and maybe I've experienced thatsomething thrown at me. Oh my gosh,
I've had all that happened to me, Wayne, all of it,
and and well, no, it'sjust it's it's been such an experience,
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right, I mean, I've beencamping up at one of our most i'm
gonna say, the hottest spot,like a hots We have a lot of
hot spots that we do our researchat, but we have this one in
particular right up in North Georgia,and h one night we had something came
into our base camp and screamed atus really loud, and then it proceeded
all night to throw acorns and rocksat our tents all night, and and
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the thing was like we could hearthe acorns falling from the trees from like
up to down. But then thesethings were going sho like you could hear
the velocity, like you could hearit like going sideways in hitting the side
of our tent all night. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about. I think we talkeda little bit about that on my show,
about that inexperience that reminds me y'allstayed right, you stayed all night?
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Yes, we always stay we're not. We ain't scared. Is that
the time that that you were talkingabout y'all got real sleepy? Yes,
we all went to bed. Yeah, well we all just well, okay,
so that happens a lot of times, right when we're out there and
we have a lot of activity goingon, a lot of And I've had
other people tell me the same thing, who are out there doing boots on
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the ground research. You have alot of activity in the middle of the
night, you should normally stay upall night and keep watch right and do
some investigating. Well, we justkind of I just thought it was because
we've been doing this for so long, you know, like we're just we're
out there, and plus like we'reall getting older, you know, we're
tired. Yeah, there's been ah, we would do this a long time,
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and so when when the going getstough, we just go to bed
sometimes, you know, if it'sin the base camp. But I can
tell you, Wayne, not asingle one of us fell asleep that whole
night. But we all went intoour tents and you know, and I
know nobody went to sleep because nobodysnored, okay, and uh, and
we were all getting pelted with rocksand acorns all night. But but yeah,
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there's something that happens. It's almostThat's why I feel like there's an
et element, like an extraterrestrial potentiallyextraterrestrial element. When we're having this big
Foot activity, we're having this likeinterdimensional activity going on out there. I
think that I feel like there's somekind of extraterrestrial element to it, and
it kind of like puts you tosleep or something. It's really odd or
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at least makes you want to goleave down. Yeah, well, what
do you think about infrasound? Doyou think that could I think that's part
of it. Yeah, I thinkthat could totally be part of it.
So ill since you you've touched onthat, I've touched on it a few
times. I'm talking on my show. It it seems like every time when
I go out, when I'm layingdown at night and I'm asleep, something
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wakes me. And not every time, but a lot of times when I
go out, something wakes me froma dead sleep, and I know that
there's something out there. I knowthat something woke me up, but I
and that's the reason I'm there.I'm there to have the experience to gather
information and evidence, but I cannotmake myself get out of bed and go.
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Look. It's like I fall backasleep. And normally, if you
feel like something's walking around or someone'swalking around in your camp while you're trying
to sleep, you're not gonna goback to sleep. You're gonna be on
high alert. Right, Yeah,you think that's not how it works.
So why isn't it if it wasa prowler, if it was a person,
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do you think maybe we'd have adifferent we'd feel differently, we would
be more alert. I don't want. Oh yeah, absolutely, I think
so for sure. I mean,and it's not just one of us,
it's like all of us. AndI remember that one night, every single
one of us did sit and Iremember we laid in our cots, in
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our beds and our tents whatever,in us leaping bags. We were all
just listening, and we knew thatwe were all away because nobody was snoring.
And then about halfway through the night, the head of my team whispers,
he goes, remember we do thisfor fun. You know. It's
like we're all just sitting there,just like getting pelted with rocks and acorns.
It was almost like we were allan alert, waiting to We were
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waiting to go on the defensive ifwe had to, okay, because we
didn't know what was out there.But we well, see, here's the
thing. Like it's almost like wewanted the experience of it, and we
knew that if we went outside ofour tents, it was gonna stop.
Okay, does that make sense too? So yeah, so if we had
emerged from our tents, it wouldhave gone away probably. So maybe we
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were just waiting for it to walkinto our camp, you know, that
kind of a thing, because itwas there. It was in our camp,
it was just behind ours. Hints. Yeah, you're telling that story
has stuck with me about something runninginto your camp and screaming. That was
that same night. That was whatit was. I would poop myself,
I really would. I would poopmyself. Yeah, you would. It's
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not that scary. I mean itwas. It was. It was startling,
But like once you're out in thewoods and you're doing that field research
all the time, I mean,you start having these experiences and and it's
more exciting than anything. Really,it's not it's not really scary once you're
innoculated to it and it happens alot it because we're it's just an adventure,
okay, but it's also an adventurethat keeps you tired the next day
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and you'll have like circles under youreyes and stuff because you didn't sleep all
night. But but that's why we'reout there, and uh, and I'm
out there to get the experience justlike you are. I want to I
want to see for myself what's reallyout there. Yeah. Now I've had
one what I believe to be onesiding, and I got a thermal picture
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of it. I didn't think Ishould have sent it to you so that
we could share it. I've sharedit everywhere. If anybody's familiar with my
show, they've seen it. ButI'll send it to you when we get
done. You can put it up. But yes, it happened on Pigeon
Mountain. You know, you andI talked about a Pigeon Mountain. It's
in Lafayette, Georgia and North Georgia. And what got me thinking about this
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was talking about, you know,the being tired and not being able to
get up and and all that stuff. What led us to go back to
that same spot was a couple ofweeks prior this was in January of twenty
twenty twenty one. I believe Januaryof twenty twenty one. Me and the
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vice president of my research organization,Animal Research, mister Derek Walls, I
call them Walls. We were upthere, I'm Pigeon Mountain as our first
time ever being there. We wentup and we didn't really neither of us
are hunters. We didn't realize thatit was the last weekend of deer season
in North Georgia. So whenever thelast weekend of deer season was, that's
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when we were there. So itwas in January, cold as hell is
bitterly cold. So we get there. I check in. This is off
subject, but I'll share it,okay. I check in with the ranger
when we first get there, andI go in. I meet this young
man. He's in his early tomid twenties, very polite, personable,
Yes, sir, no, sir, shook my hand. Great kid,
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just a really good kid. SoI felt comfortable. He put me at
ease. I felt comfortable saying,well, we're a pair going to be
looking for into bigfoot reports. Therehave been reports on this mountain. Have
you heard anything or seen anything,Jessica, I swear to God. He
looks me in the eye and hetells me Bigfoot. No, but we've
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had the over reports of gnomes,gnomes, gnomes, the little people.
Huh, the little people? Yeah, no way, I've been hearing reports
that it was more often myself.Really. Yeah, absolutely, the little
people in your area. No,not in Georgia, No, North Carolina.
My friend David Pardu actually has avideo of some little people. Yeah.
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They We considered them to probably bealiens though in that video that he
has, but we're not sure so. But yeah, I've been in Alaska.
This was Georgia. We're gonna haveto talk about this some more.
This is interesting, Yeah, itwas. It was on Pigeon Mountain.
He told me that one of thepeople that reported seeing them was like a
twenty plus year veteran, a rangerthat worked there, and he told me
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a story and I don't remember workfor work. They talked about they were
doing some construction work there, someearthwork at doze or of stuff, moving
stuff around, and one of theworkers saw one and reported it and like
report it to a ranger, andhe said that the ranger made a phone
call to someone and twenty minutes laterthey completely shut the side down, told
everybody that they had to leave.I don't know, Yeah, I don't
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know how much truth there is tothat. I can't don't know if there's
any way to validate it, butit might be cool to look into.
I can believe that. Okay,I've heard that before too, that like
when there's a dog man sighting,right, a big foot or whatever,
if you tell like a park rangerthere's a number that they have to they
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call, like they're they're told tocall this phone number, and then like
the I don't want to see likefederal agents, but like somebody shows up
and uh, and so maybe maybethat's why inherently, like I know,
like not to report my big footsightings and I and we're seeing there's important
to report these sightings and things likethat. But like let's just say national
(30:55):
parks for instance, right, nationalparks. Okay, we have all these
people that are going missing right now? Is Pigeon Mountain International Park? Do
you know is that a state parkor national park? It's a WMA,
a Wildlife Management Area. I don'tknow that it's connected to any park though,
Well, so that's federal land managementthen, right, Okay, so
(31:15):
that's covered by the government. Yeah, so this little So when we're out
there in like the deep woods,we're getting these reports, we're experiencing it
for ourselves. You know, maybeit's not the best idea to report them
because they're they're getting these phone callsto come in, and they're they're telling
the rangers to call them or whateverto come in and either eradicate them.
(31:38):
I mean, what do you thinkthey're doing, eradicating them or Yeah,
you know, that's that's touchy,Jessica. I mean, we don't want
to tell people not to report itto like government officials, but there again,
do we trust government officials when itcomes to stuff like this. We
absolutely want people to report them toorganizations like ours so that we can go
(32:04):
out and look into it. WeI mean, I know you guys do
too. I've spent so much moneyon the equipment and my organization. The
people in my organization we pay dues, We pay monthly dues and it all
goes into a pot and we buyat that pace for our expeditions and equipment
and stuff like that. But I'vespent a lot of money on my own
on the stuff too, So reportingit to organizations like ours. We have
(32:29):
the equipment and we make the timeto go out there and look into it.
But I just I don't know.I don't know if we should,
if I should feel, if Ifeel right telling people not to report it
to government officials. I guess,make your own mind up. I don't
know. Yeah, just go withyour gut, y'all. Go with your
gut, and that's all we cando. Yeah, I start talking about
(32:52):
the gnomes and it got me offsubject. But we were there Pigeon Mountain
check in with the We head upthere and we're thinking, last weekend of
deer season, we're not going toget anything. So we were bummed out.
And to add to it, laterthat night, after it got dark,
(33:13):
something happened. There was some kindof medical emergency. I believe a
hiker or a hunter maybe got lost, because some trucks, some ranger trucks
and an ambulance came flying down thesedirt roads. Later that night and we're
out doing this walk. It's liketen eleven o'clock at night. It's very
(33:34):
dark outside. We're doing this walk, and we keep hearing this helicopter come
flying around the area, and Iswear to god, this thing starts hovering
over us, and we're like,what the hell is this helicopter doing.
He's just hovering above us, watchingus, and we think that what happens
was we think that they had likethe thermal or the infrared imaging, and
(33:57):
they were just checking us out becausethey were looking for somebody. We think
somebody either got lost or was hurtor something and they were looking for him.
But with all that stuff going on, we were pretty we accepted that
nothing was going to happen. Thereweren't going to be any big but out
tonight. There's just too much goingon. So we packed it up early
and we were we were old,like you said, out of shape,
(34:20):
tired, We ate our burgers.I'm not calling my team all of y'all.
I'm not. We've just been doingthis a long time, that's all.
Yeah. Now, we got bed, got four and everything, and
got tired, and we went tobed about one o'clock at night. We
usually stay up way later, butwe went to bed, and before I
did, I set my voice recorderon our table and I covered it up
(34:45):
with some chips. You know,the small little bags of chips your mom
used to putting your lunch box whenyou were a kid, like the individual
party size packs. We bought abunch of those, and I sat it
on top of the recorder and wewent to bed. And the tent was
about ten or fifteen feet away fromthat table, and you can hear us
talking inside the tent, you knowa lot of people do. And you
(35:08):
talk until you fall asleep. Twentytwenty five minutes later, you don't hear
talking anymore. You hear snoring.So we'll sleep, And I swear to
God, now I didn't. Wedidn't know what's happened until a week or
so later when I was reviewing theaudio. About twenty twenty five minutes after
we went to sleep, we starthearing this something like something stepping walking into
(35:34):
our camp, and then the chipsbeing played with, like rustled. And
then after the chips were being rustled, do you hear and then like small
feet running away? And didn't youhear that again, like something bigger walking
away. Oh, we didn't seeit. No, it's only speculation.
(35:57):
But from what you hear in yourmind, one you picture mama big Foot
walking into camp, getting some chips, had it, handing it to baby
big Foot, dropping them in Babybig Foot running away and Mama Bigfoot walking
behind him. Did that happen?But we got it on audio, and
that's what led us to go backa couple of weeks later when we had
(36:20):
where we got the thermal hit ofsomething that was eight foot tall with something
smaller in front of it, runningaround playing in front of it. Wow,
that's fascinating. Wow that all happenedright in your backyard. Oh listen,
I believe it. I we havemore big foot activity in the North
Georgia Mountains than we have anywhere.And my teams we researched all over the
(36:44):
South, Okay, and I've evenbeen to Tennessee. By the way,
I know you're up in Tennessee.I just recently did a field investigation of
a couple's home. They have fourhundred and eighty eight acres up in north
the center of Tennessee. Like Northup it's called Whitley Bill, Okay,
so in the middle of nowhere withcaves and all that. And they have
big foot activity up there. AndI know there's a lot of big foot
(37:06):
activity, dog man activity, butNorth Georgia Mountains, I gotta tell you,
they got the most big foots.And speaking of big foots, we
got big foot Michigan Rob in thechat. Thank you for that superstick or
Rob. Y'all go subscribe to hischannel. Please, Hello b tomorrow Man,
thank you for being here. Yeah, and they've got big foots up
in Michigan too, by the way, So they're everywhere, but of the
(37:29):
North Georgia Mountains are where it's atif you want to have a big foot
sighting. That's my opinion. I'mnot gonna get my locations away, but
yes, they're up there. Well, I need you to give me a
couple I'll meet you up there sometime. Listen, we don't live that far
from each other, so we'll bemeeting up and doing a trip sometime.
I'm gonna hold you that. I'vetalked to a couple of members of my
(37:52):
members, one in particular, misterKevin, if you're watching, buddy,
He commented said that we needed toget out in the woods with you because
you're a ball of energy, anduh, we'd have fun out there.
You get out and showing us somenew spots. Well shoot, yeah,
well there's there's plenty of them outthere. Yeah, But the North Georgia
(38:14):
Mountains are so just thick with vegetationand places for these things to hide.
And Okay, my question to youis do you think that bigfoots could have
supernatural powers? And I know yousaid earlier than you do that you got
to keep open mind. But wheredo they go when they're sleeping? Do
you think that they are interdimensional beingsor do you think they're just going into
(38:36):
a cave or something like? Where? Where are these things going at night
or during the daytime when we don'tsee them them? Having that ability to
go from dimension to dimensional would absolutelyexplain why we don't see them. It
would. Uh, scientists won't acceptthat, I mean mainstream science or they're
never going to accept that, butyou know we can as field researchers as
(39:00):
something that we can look into.So that would explain. That would answer
the question if they had those abilities. But if they don't and they are
flesh and blood, and this isthe reason science has such a problem with
it, because they believe that ifthey exist, they're flesh and blood,
that's what they have to be,where do they go and answer that question?
(39:22):
You hit it right on the head. I think they go into caves.
Yeah, pigeon Mountain is full ofcaves. They're I mean they're everywhere
up there, this area down herein the South, it is full of
caves. I mean they're all overthe place. And people will argue,
why if these things are so elusive, why would they back themselves into a
(39:44):
corner by going into a cave.Well, we don't know that they're backing
themselves into a corner. They've beentraveling these cave systems for thousand years.
Probably they know the ends and theounce and how where to go and where
not to go. But I thinkthat's just a silly argument. But it
stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.I think cave systems is the answer.
(40:13):
I really do. And I don'tknow. I'm sure you've seen that map
that overlays missing people with a mapof the cave systems in the US.
Have you seen? Yeah? Ofcourse, of course told me that someone
told me that's not But really Idon't Yeah, but I don't know.
I mean, every there's always goingto be somebody that cross bowl on stuff
(40:35):
like that. But I haven't heardseen anything scientific to tell me that it
wasn't real. Until I do,I'm going to say that there's a connection.
I think I think there could bea connection there. Yeah, I
think there's a connection too. Andnow I got to tell you something really
interesting, right, because I amI'm trained. I do tracking, right,
I'm a tracker. I know howto do. I do human tracking,
animal tracking, whatever, right.And uh, when I was I've
(41:00):
been Tennessee at that property, atFarah and her husband's property, they have
this huge cave right behind their house, okay, and these chickens were being
taken there, their pet chickens werebeing taken. Something was actually opening up
the chicken pen taking chickens out,and the only things that were left these
chickens were like feathers. Okay,there's no carnage, no blood, no
body parts, no nothing. Andbut there was a trail of feathers at
(41:22):
one point going into that cave.Okay. So and there was a foot
there was one footprint that looked likea sasquatch footprint beside the chicken coop.
All right. So I go upthere with a team of guys and we're
looking through that cave, like weliterally went into that cave. I was
looking for tracks, right, I'mlooking for any kind of sign a big
(41:43):
foot in that cave, and Igotta tell you, there was a zero.
There was nothing, no footprints,no sign, no nothing. I
couldn't find anything. And he wouldthink that, like there were the feathers
that were going up there, therewas. It clearly looked as a sasquash
had taken those chick There was nosign of bigfoot at all, no footprints.
(42:04):
Now could they have like jumped upinto like one of the caverns in
the top of the cave and likenot going through the main part, Yeah,
totally, but those are tiny littlecaverns, so I don't know.
It was just it was interesting.You got me really interested in that property.
That Yeah, that strange big foot. I mean, so something's going
(42:25):
in there, Something with hands isopening the chicken goop and not killing the
chicken rut there, but picking itup and carrying it at all. Now,
let me ask you this, arethey leaving chickens, are they or
are they taking everything they can?Okay, that was such a great question
because what my hypothesis is that theyare taking the chickens to raise their own
(42:50):
eggs. Okay, I don't thinkthey're even killing the chickens. They took
some of the hens and it washens and there was no blood. I
feel like perhaps potentially they're wanting justto have their own eggs and raise their
own chickens. Potentially that was myfa They don't take all the chickens drop,
No, they only took a couple, and there was like a stick,
(43:13):
like a long stick stuck into theback of the pin of the where
the chickens were, Like it waspoking at the chickens to shoe them to
the front of the to where thedoor was. So it shows some intelligence,
right, something with the posable zumpstoo. That's I mean, when
you get evidence like that, youthe only thing it can be is a
(43:37):
sasquatch or a person, you know, a federal person, right, you've
been talking about feral people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and those guys
were cool, but yeah, Imean you narrow it down to either a
sasquatch or you've got an intruder ora trespasser that's coming on. And have
(44:00):
they put cameras up or anything?Oh yeah, Oh, there were cameras
all over the place. Yeah,they have multiple cameras outside the house.
And Pharaoh was picking up orbs andleft recording devices out by the cave.
And she was picking up voices.And yeah, the camera actually the last
night that the chickens were taken,the camera had been moved right before the
(44:23):
chickens were taken. Yeah, sothe camera was actually facing in the opposite
direction for the first time ever.Yeah, so there was no footage.
So that shows intelligence too, yall. Y'all got a cool bloss up there.
Yes, oh yeah, right.I I was super happy to be
(44:43):
there. It was an awesome investigation. I was up there with the guys
from Crypti Warfare podcasts, Zooke andDrew Ski and their friends, and we
made an operation out of it.It was fantastic. Yeah, we ended
up not getting a whole lot ofcryptid activity up there, but we got
paranormal activity. Actually in the cave. We picked up figures on the SLS
(45:04):
cameras. One was a giant andthere were two little tiny ones and they
were interacting with us. Yeah.It was wild. Yeah, super weird
stuff. They can do a wholeshow talking about that investigation. Yeah.
Yeah, and hey, let meknow if you want to, if you
want me to bring send some ofmy friends over too. They can tell
you all about it on your shottoo. If y'all go back up there.
(45:27):
I'd love to go with you.Yeah, hey, we'll take you.
We're we got to plan a tripfor sure, because we're too close
in proximity to each other to notbe going out and doing some big footing
together for sure with your team.Yeah yeah, yeah. What is the
strangest thing you've ever come across outin the field. The strangest thing I
(45:51):
didn't come across it. And again, if we were on my stream yard,
I could share this picture with you. But it's a guy that is
new to my group. His name'sCraig. Shout out to Craig if you're
watching, buddy. But this areathat he's been looking into, he found
this old dead tree. And thismight not be strange to a lot of
(46:15):
you, but it's strange to me. There's this down tree that's clearly dead,
and there's a boulder that is sittingon top of it. I'm not
talking to rock. I'm not talkinglike a basketball sized rock. I'm talking
about a little bit smaller than aVolkswagen boulders sitting on top of this tree.
(46:37):
How there's no way, no possibleway that it could be there,
and it just it's scary to thinkabout if something put that boulder there,
the strength that it possesses. Imean, because we're talking maybe a ton
that this thing weighs. And Ishowed it. I talked about it for
(46:58):
a while on my show, andI showed the pictures of it, and
of course we have people in theretalking about what loggers did it. Loggers
picked it up with the equipment andsat it on there. Why why would
they do that? That doesn't makeany sense. And it's in a state
park. I don't think they doa whole lot of logging and state parks
(47:21):
so and the area around it,you can see that it's never been logged
before. There's all kinds of treesthere. I mean, I didn't buy
that, but that was strange.And another guy told me that I worked
with, told me about finding afire hydrant, fire hydrant, a fire
extinguisher well underneath a down tree outand just miles away from anything in the
(47:45):
woods. And I mean, howdoes that happen? Somebody just take a
fire extinguisher out there and throw itdown and then the tree just happens to
fall on it. How do thestuff like that? Yeah, a lot
of a lot of things just don'tmake sense. And so that's where we
have to use our common sets tounderstand that this stuff don't make sense.
Okay, now sounds southern as heck. I know, it just doesn't make
(48:08):
sense a lot of it. Butwhat didn't this world makes sense anymore?
Wayne? That's my question? Whatmakes sense anymore of especially when you're dealing
with big fut out there? Yeah? Do you come up well on a
bunch of like X structures and treestructures and tps and what do you think
about that kind of stuff? Ahsee them all the time. They're they're
(48:29):
everywhere. You know, I don'tknow, I don't know what to make
of it. A lot of itcan be explained, but like just natural,
no mother nature, just a treefalling or limbs falling. But when
when you see saplings bent over andthen wedged between other trees, something with
(48:51):
hands had to do it. Itwasn't a tornado that came through that wedge
this tree twelve different ways. Andthen you see like webb a bunch of
limbs like woven together and stuff.That stuff can't be explained. You know,
I think they're they're signed. There'slike symbols or signs or markers of
(49:13):
something. Will we ever know whatthey're displaying. I don't know that we
ever will, but I think they'remarkers of some sort, really do Yeah,
I think that the X the Xmarkers, I think those are markers
for sure. I think there's somekind of territorial thing even what I mean,
if if they do know where theEarth's natural portals are, it could
be like a spot like hey,this is where we come in and out,
(49:36):
you know, I mean, whoknows. Everybody's got an opinion on
it. But but I also alwayssay, like, we can't we can't
underestimate the power of a drunk camperor like board campers or boy scouts,
you know what I mean. Andthey should be a bump the sticker or
a T shirt right and a hat. I think those would sell for sure.
(49:58):
Yeah, never underestimate the the potentialof a drunk camper because you know,
a lot of a lot of timeslike they will go out there and
they also they'll go out there andthey'll make tps and debris huts. And
I'm not saying those are drunk campers, even though my team has been out
there many times where we have learnedand taught each other how to make debris
(50:19):
huts and stuff like that. Soyou know, when people send me pictures
of stuff like of like debris hutsand things, I don't really use that
as like evidence on my shows andstuff because I know that a human probably
made that. Yeah, but it'sall about doing it yourself, so like
you know that humans are capable ofdoing it, so you don't assume everything's
a big foot, you know.I guess that's part of the research.
(50:42):
Yeah, I mean, I thinkthat is the most important thing that we
as researchers need to do. Weneed to when we see something, never
assome that that it's big foot,and do everything we can to eliminate any
other possible ability. And I thinkthat's what a good researcher does. I'm
sure that's what you and your teamdo. Take every other scenario out of
(51:07):
play, and with what you areleft with was big boot, then present
it as evidence. I think alot of us, a lot of the
people out there, especially with thepictures this Paradoia stuff. I mean,
it drives me crazy. I knowa lot of those pictures are legit,
there is something there, but foreveryone that there's something there, there's probably
(51:32):
in my opinion, there's probably fivethat there's not, And I think I
think it does a disservice to thesubject. If you put out a piece
of evidence that you're not one hundredpercent certain and those pictures you cannot be
one hundred percent certain. I'm sorry. I feel like it gives us a
bad It gives us a bad name. It doesn't have a subject, a
(51:55):
subject that has already looked down onby so many people. When you start
putting pictures like that out at theblurry pictures and the pictures of a woodline
that could possibly be ahead or ashoulder, that you're just hurting us.
In my opinion, you need tobe sure that you have something before you
release it. In my opinion,yes, well, I just don't show
(52:17):
the Paradoia stuff on my shows andthings like that. But it's not to
say that these people aren't having realexperiences out there though, you know,
and so and I love a goodaccount of like something that happens to somebody,
and uh, and a lot oftimes I'll get, like my team
we get phone calls from people likestate park rangers and stuff that are like,
I'm having all this activity here,you know, and we don't send
(52:40):
the whole team out to go investigate. We usually send like one or two
people out at the most just togo scout it to make sure that what
they're saying adds a you know,before we actually send a whole team out
there to research. And so Ithink that's a good rule of thumb because
they say, yeah, so manypeople, how many people you got in
(53:01):
your organization, your group? Well, I'm on I'm on three different research
teams. So but but we allkind of inter we we intermingle, like
we're all like we're all kind ofon each person's teams, like we're all
most of the same people are onthe same teams, but we're just in
different regions. So I'm going tosay there's about fifteen of us, just
(53:23):
round about number, Yeah, aboutfifteen something like that. I'd say we've
got about twelve in manimal ten totwelve. I had them in multiple states,
and I've tried to not do thatas much because you if someone did
in Missouri or Virginia, you can'treally keep a grasp on what what all
(53:45):
they're doing and everything, you know, with ten to twelve people. A
problem I'm having, and I'm sureyou are too is you know, we're
all adults. We all have otherresponsibilities, no families, kids and jobs.
Just by I'm in the time toget together. You know, that's
something the problem that we're having.Yeah, because it's it's expensive and it's
(54:07):
time consuming, but it's so worthit because it's so fun. It is
and I can't wait to get outin the field with you guys one day.
It's gonna be a lot of fun. And tell everybody, Okay,
this hour has gone by so fast. I know I started the show a
couple of minutes late because my computerwent haywire. But this has been amazing.
Wayne, I've had a really goodtime talking to you tonight. Where
(54:28):
can my audience find you? What'syour YouTube channel? Okay, I appreciate
that. Yeah, if everyone wouldgo and give me a subscribe, I
would appreciate it. I'm right thereat the two thousand mark and I would
love to be there about tomorrow ifyou guys can help me out. It's
a Paranormal Odyssey. Lab is myYouTube channel. There is a normal Odyssey.
(54:51):
I need to add live to it. Well, I'm not sure if
the LAB is on there or not. I think it is, but you
just put in Paranormal Odyssey, You'reyou're gonna find me, and my research
organization is minimal Research. I gotthat group on Facebook. Feel free to
head over there and become a member. I would love to have you come
and share some of your experiences.My YouTube channel, Paranormal Odyssey. I
(55:15):
do a live show every Tuesday nightat seven thirties. Some weeks i'll do
an extra one and get a coupleof extra like I did one last night.
But every episode that I do Irelease to podcast, and that's where
I have a much bigger reach.I can't even I mean ten to twelve
(55:37):
thousand downloads a month. I getyeah on my podcast, So anything I
do on the YouTube channel gets uploadedto podcast, and I interview more people
that don't get a live show,so you get extra content. I release
an episode every Wednesday and Sunday onParanormal Audycy and you can get that anywhere
(55:58):
you get podcasts, Pool, Spotify, all that stuff. And give me
a rating review, guys, helpme out. Five stars only, y'all,
five stars only. He's amazing.Yeah, you're you have such a
great show and and I really enjoybeing on there. Thank you. For
inviting me to be one of youryour guests, because it's just it's a
lot of fun. I'm glad Ihave friends up in Tennessee that go research
(56:22):
in North Georgia. Because yeah,it's it's a good time. So Wayne,
thank you so much for being heretoday. I'm sorry. I had
so many technical difficulties. I don'tknow what's wrong. There's something in the
water tonight, but hey, wepulled through. Like I always say,
whenever you have a good guest ora good interview, the hours blah blah,
(56:42):
and this one absolutely bla by.I had had a blast, Jeska,
thank you, thank you. Well, it's not the last time you're
gonna be on space Stout Radio.I'm bringing you back on soon. Okay,
be here, Okay, awesome,Wayne, have a wonderful night.
Thanks again. I'll see you soon. Okay, thanks man, Okay,
mine alright, y'all. Way wasamazing. That was such a good time,
(57:02):
y'all. They say you don't gottago home, but you can stay.
Oh, I don't want to bewith thee. We're all out trying
(57:42):
to try to try everything. Callit right back, ride back my joy
for me. Try to stay rightnow I'm calling right away, so said
(58:37):
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