May 9, 2025 • 49 mins
On this episode of The Bigfoot Report, we welcome Mark to the show. Mark is the creator of the documentary The Town That Cried Bigfoot. Mark came on to talk about the movie and how incredibly unique it is. This is absolutly a movie worth watching.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring awareness
fastimic to be an open door for somebody to walk through,
to be able to share their story, a listening ear,
a support hold for those who have held their own
encounters with that which is not.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Supposed to emiss.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all aligned, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something. Mark, what's that, buddy? Hey, doing very
(01:53):
very well. Sorry to keep you on hold for so long.
Went a little bit longer than we were expecting. But
thank you so much for hanging out with us, buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, well, Mark, before we jump in to talking to
you every and everything, we want to play the trailer
so you should be able to hear it, and everyone
that's watching live will be able to watch it. So
we're gonna go ahead and play that now. Okay, all ready,
(02:25):
here we go.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Wayvern Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I got a good tell my Crik and tonight another
body was discovered in the small town of Wavern, Virginia.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
When you're as local residents terrified for a while there,
(03:10):
you know, Wayburn was a great blazer to grow up,
you know, I mean it was the late seventies. Times
were much simpler back in and that was about up
until Danny Ship we came to town. Danny was a
new hot shot mayor from Richmond. He is basically looking
to climb his way up the political ladder and looking
for some low hanging fruit to do it. And apparently,
I guess Wayburn was his low hand. Threw to choice
(03:33):
mayor's shiplet and shriff through it met in secret with
two other men, Lannie Hutchins, the town mechanic, and Lester Clemens,
the town attorney, before of them came up with probe
the biggest hoax ever pulled in state of Virginia. That
was pretty much the beginning of the end for the
town of Wayburn.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Last night, two men ran into the Wayburn Sheriff's office
claiming they were terrorized out at their famili's farm by
a bigfoot.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
And what I've kept wanting to preak, he said, I
have to all I went through on this earth.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Why should I have to say something like that?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, that looks Mark, that looks really really cool.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think you did an amazing job on that, especially
going by the trailer. Well, thank you, all right, Mark,
let's go. The first question I always ask everyone is
what got them interested in this subject of bigfoot sasquatch
cryptid in general? Can you start from the beginning?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But yeah, well I'm old, I mean I'm fifty five,
so I grew up in the seventies, and for me,
the grandfather of all Bigfoot documentaries was Leonard Nimoy in
Search of Back in the Day, when Yeah, when that
came on, we were like, oh, and then I don't know,
(05:00):
came out in seventy seven, I believe, And then you know,
you fast forward to the six Million Dollar Man. I
think maybe two years later he's fighting a big Foot
on TV. And that was you know that that hooked me.
So it's been and ironically I stayed all this. You know,
this is all stated in the movie as well, that
(05:20):
how popular Bigfoot was back then. But it's it's amazing
now that you know, you're at a you're at a
traffic light and there's a Ford f one fifty with
a big Foot sticker on the back says I Believe
or Hide and Seek World Champion. It's just amazing. How
how long even people that I know, people that don't
(05:41):
even believe in Bigfoot, but they got the sticker, they
got the T shirt, you know. So so it's it's
it's a it's a cultural phenomenon. It hasn't hasn't gone anywhere.
It's kind of like rap music in the eighties, they're like, Oh,
it's a fad, it'll be out of here in five years.
It stayed, you know, Bigfoot. Bigfoot has stayed in power,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I like the Internet, you know. Yeah, Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know what, here's what's funny. I
worked at best Buy in nineteen I started a part
time in nineteen ninety seven, worked my way up to
our manager for a while there. But I was in
the store when Netflix first approached. This is before Netflix
had the internet where you could go online and watch.
It was all about you had to mail in. You
(06:26):
went to the internet and they would send you a
DVD and they'd send you three and then as you
sent them back, you would get your next one. And
I remember telling I'm like, this isn't going to work.
This is who's going to want to do this? And
look how wrong I was.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Anyway, if you said A bought stock back.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Then, oh exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh my goodness, my goodness. All right, So Mark, are
you are you from the town did all of this happened?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
No, I'm from Virginia. I grew up in Virginia. I
spent a lot of summers in Roanoke, which is Wayburn
was sandwich between Rono in Stanton, Virginia, which is a
little bit north. Explained that that's explained in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't know, Mark, if you can see us right now,
Tiffany just said that's where I live. She lives in Roanoke.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Oh yeah, okay, yes, Star Mountain. She I guarantee she's
been up there a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Times, nodding her head, yes, right now.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I knew about the
Star Mountain and but yeah, I mean it's I used
to spend summers in Chapel Hill, North Carolina with my grandparents.
Uh they owned a tobacco farm back in the day.
And yeah, so all that that whole area and Bigfoot,
it's part of the Appalachian you know. I mean you
always heard stories besides TV, you know. But yes, I
(07:46):
grew up in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, okay, So you remember when all of this, as
far as your documentary, when all this was going on, right, Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
No, I don't. I was I was too worried about girls.
I wasn't really paying there.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's what happens, That is what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I wasn't watching the news.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So everything in this documentary. That's it's true, right.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Uh well, I mean it is what I've dug up
and what I've pieced together. Uh that's the story I presented.
So that's all I can really say about it. And
and what the footage you're well, you haven't seen the movie, correct,
No I have not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah there
there's uh, every every piece of footage you see in there,
(08:35):
every reaction, every eye went in this account those that
that's that's what's different between this and other Bigfoot documentaries. Uh,
these are actual this is actual news footage. There's there's nobody. Yeah,
it's all real news footage. I mean there is. I
didn't hit record on a camera at all for any
of this. This is all from the moment it starts,
(08:58):
just like the trailer, to the moment it ends to
the last I think the last ten seconds you were
in nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty the entire time.
Wow yeah yeah yeah a lot of people that have
seen it there it turns into where's Waldo for them
because they're like, you know, they're they're like, oh, that's
the car I had in high school. My grandfather had
(09:20):
that pickup truck. You know, it's kind of it's a
it's a really cool just from the nostalgia piece, you know,
going back in time and you see a lot of
stuff that brings back memories.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So without giving away, you know, like a spoiler telling everybody,
you know, the ending and all of that kind of stuff,
tell us what it's about, what happened in this, because
I was clueless going into this.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So basically Waybourn, Virginia was a small lumber mill town
and they were doing okay for a while. They were
you know the number one either people were farmers or
they worked at the lumber mill or something. Times they
did both. They were farmers and they drove the lumber
mill trucks on the weekends or whatever to make you know,
extra cash. And the sheriff at the time, his cousin
(10:14):
was a young mayor in Richmond, Richmond, Virginia, and he
wasn't doing so well. He was he was trying to
climb up the political ladder. He was trying to become
governor of Virginia, and it just wasn't working out. Too
much competition in Richmond, you know, he wasn't he wasn't
doing very well, and so the sheriff from Wayburn calls
him and says, hey, Danny, why don't you why don't
(10:36):
you come out here to Wayburn? You know, big fish,
small pond, I gut with you know, my vote carries
a lot of weight. I've been sheriff in this town
for six years. Uh, we get you in here. And
then it's obviously it's clearly an advantage for the sheriff
because it's his younger brother or a younger cousin. And
not only is he family, he's also an older and
(10:57):
you know, it makes a sheriff's job a lot easier.
So he brings Danny in. And one of the things
Danny tries to do that backfires is to come in
and get the town really on his side and support.
Is he tries to flip the lumber mill that's been
in that town, the Shelby Lumber Company. He tries to
(11:17):
get them to flip the heavier pick up the bigger
tax scare so the people can pay less taxes and
Shelby Lumbermill can pay more. And the lumber mill, mister
Shelby shut the mill down for two weeks, and then
the end of that two weeks it ended up burning
down and they just left. And so now this is
(11:38):
all leading because you're like, what does it have to
do with Bigfoot? Here's here's where it all kicks off.
Now the new mayor is in a new town and
they're wiped out, like their number one source of income
is gone. And so he and the mayor, the town attorney,
Lester Owens, and the town mechanic they all met and
(12:00):
Lonnie Hutchins they met in his barn and uh they
were trying to figure out what to do. And Lonnie Hutchins,
who happened to be a father, he eyed his son's
six million dollar lunchman lunch box sitting on his workbench
and on the side of it there's there's pictures of it,
(12:23):
if anybody remembers there. On the side of the six
million dollar man lunchbox, one of them there's a picture
of Steve Austin fighting a big foot and he says,
what if we bring bigfoot to Wayburn? And they're like,
how the hell are you going to do that? And
so basically they create a bigfoot hoax to bring in
(12:44):
to get the town to buy into it, and then
they start, you know, they got pictures because they waited
for the first snowfall, and then they got the news
cameras out there, and then it starts to blow up
and they're now they're trying to bring in tourism. And
it goes it goes from bad to worst. Really in
(13:05):
the span of two years. It goes from bad to worse.
But that's that's pretty much, uh, the crux of what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Man, that God, that's so so interesting, and I want
to hear you talk about how it goes from bad
to worse. But the whole the this is all just
a hoax, right, I mean, no one, there's no bigfoot siding,
there's no anything like that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well here's what's interesting, though, here's what's interesting. So when
you see the pictures of the big foot tracks they
took pictures of now. Back in the seventies, skateboards, skateboards
don't look like they did today. They were plastic and
they look like we call them used to call them
yellow banana. They were really long and thin. And you
(13:57):
see the skateboard laying beside this footprint which is longer
than the actual skateboard and wider. So when you see
all these these prints, the one thing the sheriff when
he went to testify, he's like, look, we laid down
two sets of tracks, but if you look at all
these pictures, some of those aren't ours. And he's like
(14:18):
the bigfoot howls and all that stuff that he's like,
we never did that because they knew that most people
didn't have portable recorders or could set recorders. Back then,
tape decks and everything were around, but they not every
kid had one. The farmers didn't have them. They had
no reason for it really, so they knew they had
to leave tangible things that the next day people could
(14:39):
take pictures of, and that's why they did the foot
track the footprints. So on the stand the sheriff even
testified like, look at the pictures, those are ours, but
those aren't and the hows we never did those because
we didn't we didn't know how to pull it off.
And b we didn't know if people would even recorded
(15:00):
or whatever. We needed stuff to get on the news,
and so there was some unexplained events, which is kind
of ironic, kind of like that's why I named it
the Town that Cried Bigfoot, kind of like the Boy
that Cried Wolf, Well, he cries wolf twice and then
finally a wolf does come and nobody believes him. So
that was a little twist at the end. I'm like, oh,
that's crazy. What if there really was a real bigfoot
(15:22):
walking around while they were faking it to bring in tourism,
you know, because they did. For a little while, they
were known as the Bigfoot Capital of the East Coast
for you know, I don't know, I think eighteen months
or something like that because of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
David Letterman made a spoof on it. That's in the movie.
(15:42):
You can actually see David Letterman, you know, with the mayor.
The guy dressed up looks like the mayor and the sheriff,
and he's like, Mayor, isn't this all you know, your rhetoric,
Your rhetorics were very well rehearsed. There's no such thing
as bigfoot. And then he's like, no, no, no, there
is there is. We got them on film. And that
was a big spoof David Letterman did about this.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
At the time, so there were actual legal proceedings and
stuff about all of this.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, it's uh yeah, it was uh yeah. The sheriff
goes to jail. I don't want to get into I
don't want to swell the end of it. But yeah, yeah,
there's there's a there's a murder that happens.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh yeah, I got yeah, yeah, why don't you ruin it?
But damn, I have so many questions.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, well, I mean it's uh. I'll say this, and
I'm just being honest. I would not have made this
movie if it was just going to be another Bigfoot
movie with drone footage over an empty forest and broad
daylight people trying to make it sound scary. I didn't
want to film somebody sitting on the couch for an
(16:47):
hour just talking to me. There's a gazillion of those,
so I would have never and I'm I would have
never even approached the subject if the footage wasn't there.
And that's like I said, from the moment you hit
play to the moment it's over, you were in nineteen
seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It makes me want to just stop what we're doing
right now and go watch it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Well, I guess I'm doing my job.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Then, yeah, yeah you are. Tell everybody where they can
find it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You can go to Amazon, and it's streaming on some
other platforms, and it's still being licensed out to some
different ones. But I know on Amazon Prime right now
you can rent it or buy it as.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well Amazon Prompt, So that's like the main place you
can get it.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, that's the main place.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
How long has it been out, Mark.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Less than right at a month in March twenty third. Yeah,
it just came out March twenty third. I believe I
didn't even know it was out. To my brother. He's like, hey,
I watch it. I'm like how, and he's like, it's
on Amazon. I was like, they didn't even tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So Mark, tell us a little bit
about your background, Like what in the hell got you
interested in this, this giant, hairy thing that even made
you interested in making a movie like this.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Well, I mean, like I was saying earlier, you know,
I grew up in that time where Bigfoot was very,
very popular, and I mean when you're a kid, you
had Bigfoot, you had Evil and Evil. We had like
these things that were like superheroes in our mind as kids.
So Bigfoot, you know, I saw a six million dollar
man and all that, but it didn't really dawn on me.
(18:29):
I mean it kind of went away for a little while,
and now I'm seeing Bigfoot everywhere and so that's kind
of what made me hop on the internet and I
just started going down to YouTube rabbit holes looking for stuff,
and I was like, there's got to be you know,
there's got to be stories, especially where I grew up.
I'm at the foot of the Appalachian Mountains around that area,
(18:50):
so I'm like, there, I know there's got to be
something that hasn't been told. And it took like two
years to gather everything and find everything, but yeah, that's
that was the interest. I mean, it literally was sparked
by sitting in a stoplight one day and seeing the
guy with the f one fifty with the back sticker
on says I believe in a big foot walking with
(19:11):
the thumbs up, and I was like, that's not going away,
Like why is it still so popular. That's kind of
what made me start to investigated more.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I talked to her before I saw a damn
bigfoot sticker on a BMW one time. Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know what's Yeah, I'm in so I'm in Texas,
just above Galveston, and there's a it's called League City,
and uh there's a place called Keema and it's like
this little it's kind of outdoor amusement they got. They
got like Bubbick Up Shrimp and Landry's Restaurant and these
Ferris wheels and roller coasters. But outside of one of
their bars they have somebody made it out of a
(19:48):
rusted piece of sheet metal. It's literally a ten foot
silhouette of a Bigfoot. And I just kind of I
was like, in Texas really, you know, but I didn't
know this. Texas I think is ranked number third or
fourth in sightings, which is I think it's called Jefferson, Texas,
which is kind of more towards Arkansas, I believe or
(20:09):
something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, it's up there, it really is. Stay tuned for more,
but the big Foot Report, we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah. And I was shocked because I spent a majority
of my life in Florida. I had no idea how
popular Bigfoot was in Florida.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, Florida is up there too. And yeah, as far
as like ranking.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, I figured it was going to be all California,
Washington State, you know, that whole area. But I was shocked.
You know, Texas and Florida we're pretty high up there.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah. And when I first got into this mark, it
was twenty. I've always been interested. Like you as a kid,
I was always interested. I'm forty six years old. I
was always interested. And then twenty nineteen is when I
really went gung ho, when I started my organization mad
More Research to get out start looking at these things.
(21:04):
And it was because of podcasts. I started listening to
podcasts and I started hearing people in my area that
were having sightings. I'm in Tennessee, I'm in Southeast and
North Georgia. Man, they're covered in sidings. The one place
where I believe I had my only visual sighting and
(21:28):
it was through thermal like two o'clock in the morning,
bitter bitter cold like in the in the single digits.
That was in north That was in North Georgia. And
growing up, I always thought, you know, Pacific, Northwest Washington, California, Oregon,
that's where they were. And when I heard that there
(21:51):
were sightings in Tennessee and in Georgia and North Carolina,
I was hooked. Man. I just I didn't know what
to think.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Well, you know, for me, because people ask me. I've
done a couple of these podcasts now since the movie
has been out, and people ask me all the time
what's the most compelling footage The most compelling footage that
I've seen, hands down. I don't know if you're familiar
with it. It's I believe it's called the Francis Peak Armington,
Utah footage. It's a white well maybe named something else
(22:24):
on YouTube, but it's the bigfoot walking up the side
of a snow a peak, a snow peak, and it's
like a knee deep snow. It's done from a spotter's
scope like on a gun, and he's probably I think,
two miles away, but you can still see what it
is and you can see this thing is huge and
the rate of speed and the distance it's covering and
(22:46):
knee deep snow at that altitude, and it's going up, Like,
I don't know anything else that could do that upright
on two legs. To me, that is it's either that's
AI or that's a big foot. That's the only two.
Because some stuff you can go that's a black bear,
that's you know, that's a German shepherd behind a bush.
(23:08):
You know, there's a lot of things you can you
can kind of explain away that one. Literally, I was like,
that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And where was that at again?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It's called if you look it up on YouTube, I
believe it's called the Francis Peak and it's in Farmington, Utah.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I believe U Tah Is that Brian Yeah, the host
of Sasquatch Odyssey. You know, uh, wild, wildly successful, probably
top three big foot podcast in the world. He is
a great friend of mine. I co host a podcast
with him. He's in here tonight and he is saying
that we discussed that one, and I think I know
(23:50):
which one you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, it's a it's just a white, a white snowcap peak,
something loose sky behind it. Incredible, Yeah, like I guess
like a forty five degree angle or something like that.
But yeah, the rate of speed and the distance is
covering was just like, yeah, that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I know, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, So for me, that's that's the piece of footage
I would direct. If people are like, well, do you
believe I'm like, listen, I'm open to anything, but this
one's hard to explain, you know, And and Bigfoot kind
of fits the answer, you know, or AI either or
And that's the other aspect of this movie that is
(24:35):
really I wanted to make people think too is big
because I know the Bigfoot community from what I gather
is they get really irritated, and I understand it, get
irritated with hoaxes and everything, but Bigfoot hoaxes are just
as an integral part of the community because it it
should make you use more critical thinking, which will help
(24:56):
keep Bigfoot research and evidence more authentic by using critical thinking.
Like to put it simple, if you were on trial
for your life, you would hope and pray that the
jury would use critical thinking. They want to go, well,
we got Wayne's footprints outside the garage, so we know
he did it. They're like, well, but Wayne lives there
(25:18):
and he walks outside that garage eight times a day.
Of course it's footprint.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You would hope they would they would analyze a little
bit more, And that's what should be done too, because
there's a lot of people out there that are creating hoaxes.
And I forgot the guy's name the other podcast told
me about it, the guy who sold the big foot
suit for fifty thousand dollars in a freezer.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Uh God, I was just thinking about him and I
was going to bring him up. Yeah, it was in
North Georgia.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like, and they
really can a lawsuit, that's it, that's it. Yeah, they
really had no lawsuit because they're like, hey, buyer, beware,
you know, like you he's told you what you know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Your bod Yeah, I mean he Greg Dyre, his partner
in the whole thing, was a cop in north in
North Georgia at the time, and that's where I was
working at the time. And my buddy Brian, who's on
here to not was a police officer in North or
Or in Georgia in the Atlanta area when all that
(26:22):
was going on, and I just I couldn't believe it.
But when when when that all that was going on?
Because I was doing pest control at that time, I
was running around in the Blue Ridge Mountains and I
heard it come across the radio Bigfoot's been found to
have a body in North Georgia. I'm like, oh my god, hell, yes,
thank you Lord. Right, And then to come out to
(26:46):
see what they presented it was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean that's uh yeah. Bigfoot hoaxes,
I think are very important because it creates a more
discerning eye and a thinking which you need, you have
to have because otherwise, because there's I mean, honestly, there's
so many things I've seen on bigfoot groups before that,
(27:11):
uh you know one this laugh. This made me laugh
and I couldn't resist, and actually I get kicked off
a Reddit form for this post somebody had. There was
you know how you see the trees bent over like
in a U shape, kind of like a well, there
were these two's I guess saplings. They weren't that big,
maybe as big as your arm. They were bent over
and there's a boulder sitting on top. And people were like,
(27:34):
there's no other explanation, There's no possible way this could
be done. And it literally whan It took me ten
seconds to do a Google search of a bobcat lifting
up a boulder and you know the little, the little
uh front loader bobcats, of the black and white ones
you see on construction sites. I found a picture of
a guy literally doing just that, putting a boulder to
(27:57):
bend over a tree, and I'm like, would this be
the next possible explanation? Yeah? And I got banned banned
for uh yeah, I was like whatever, Yeah, but I mean,
you need a discerning eye. I mean we do with everything.
I put it this way, this time next year, I
don't care what news states, CNN, Fox or whatever you watch.
(28:20):
Even if you watch Joe Rogan this time next year,
whatever you're watching on YouTube or on your TV, You're
gonna really have to is that really Joe Rogan? Is
he really talking to the president? Is he?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Is that is that really a CNN or Fox News
reporter or whoever? But with AI, it's getting so good,
I mean remarkably good, so fast that it's it's gonna
be really scary.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, and it's scary right now.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Oh yeah, it's gonna get worse for sure, where we're
just gonna and the sad thing is we will just
start to just accept it, you know. I mean we're
in a weird time now. Like you said, you're forty six,
is what you said. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So okay, we're
we're around the same age group. We're in a time
now where at the same time we believe nothing, but
(29:09):
we believe everything, and meaning we believe nothing because we're everybody.
You know, there's conspiracy theories about everything. You know, there's
a conspiracy theory about egg prices whatever. But At the
same time, if we get in the right echo chamber
and we hear enough people say what we agree with,
then we just buy into that too. It's a weird time,
(29:30):
you know, it really is.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
An AI scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Man. Yeah, as an artist, I don't like it. Here's
what I want AI for, Wayne. I want AI to
cut the grass, take out the garbage, do the dishes.
I don't want it to make a movie for me.
I don't want it to make an album for me.
I don't want it to paint a picture for me,
you know if I.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
But you just you don't know what to trust anymore, man.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely, And especially when you soundbites.
You can't trust the SoundBite. Yeah you can. You know
you can use anything.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah. You look at like tiktoks and you say a
thing of like jay Z talking and his mouth is
off just a little bit, and you yeah, he's not
talking about that.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Mark. I do
want to ask you, Yeah, are you a believer in Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Uh? I am. I can't say I'm a believer. I'm
a disbeliever because I haven't seen one you know. So
there's really nothing to But when I see something like
that Farmington, Utah footage. I look at something like that
and I can only conclude there's two explanations. Either it's
AI or it's a real bigfoot. But I have nothing
(30:47):
to make me go, yes, that is that's a big
foot or whatever. Look at the drone footage, like all
the drones in New Jersey. You know, I didn't for
one minute think those are UFOs because I'm like, the
government's not gonna that's us. That's clear, came out and
said it was us, you know. So, I mean there's
a lot of times there's logical explanations, but that farming
can u tall. I have no idea what that is.
(31:09):
I feel comfortable going, hey, if you want to see
some big foot footage, this is the one. But I've
never seen one, you know, and I've never I haven't
seen enough things around me. I've seen a lot of
like we just discussed, I've seen a lot of things
that could be explained away. And well, let me go
back to the Patterson Gimblin film. Yeah. The one thing
(31:30):
about the Patterson Gimblin film that and I believe is
I've seen. I've I've heard Hollywood costume designers from that
era going, we had nothing like that in Hollywood, the
way the muscles move and the way and so they
can't Even the guys who make that stuff are like,
(31:51):
we never saw anything that that good, because we would
have put in movies if we did. Yep, you know,
so that that was pretty compelling to hear that. I'm like, oh,
that holds weight. That definitely holds weight.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Mark I've said that. That's like one of my biggest
personal arguments is the the Patty film Patterson gave My
film was shot in nineteen six October in nineteen sixty seven,
either the year, a couple of years before or a
couple of years after, A Planet of the Apes was released,
and it won the Academy Award for Best Costume. So
(32:27):
that was the best that Hollywood could give you. And
that that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You cannot tell me that these two cowboys, broke cowboys
in California could do better than Hollywood in that timeframe.
It's just not possible.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's yeah, because the Plant of
the Apes, I mean, I love that as a kid,
but you know, you look at it now, it's kind
of like, I like Star Wars as a kid, but
you look at it now, like Mark Hamill, that was
some of the worst acting as an adult. I'm like,
that's the truth. But but uh yeah, Plant of the Apes, Yeah,
there wasn't. They didn't have muscle tone. They didn't have
I mean, it looked like guys and zip up fur suits. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
No, uh, Mark, let me ask you this, Uh what's
it gonna take to prove the existence a Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I mean I think like pretty much anything else is
either gonna have to find on a live one or
a dead one, you know, because then you're gonna have
real DNA samples. You're gonna have real I mean, I
mean that's kind of how we we did it. We've
in my limited experience as to what we've done with
everything else that we can verify, you know, we got bones,
(33:40):
we got this, We got that, we have DNA or
we have a live one or we have a dead one,
you know. But I I mean, yeah, it's a it's
it's a fun interesting topic. And I think that's why
even with people who aren't into bigfoot, it's still fascinating,
you know. That's why you see these stickers and T
shirts every where because people are still kind of like,
(34:02):
well we haven't you know, who knows?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, And I think without you know, beyond the shut over. Now,
it's gonna take a body. That's just That's what I
feel because and the reason I asked that is due
to the nineteen sixty seven footage of Patty, the Patterson
Gimmelin film. If that wasn't enough, then nothing's going to
be enough. Photos and video are not going to be enough.
(34:29):
It's going to take a body. And all these groups
out there, the wood Ape Conservancy, the ones that that
are out there and their goal is to kill one
and bring it in to prove it. A lot of
people can't stand that. They they hate that, they talk
(34:50):
crap about them. I don't really see a problem with it.
If killing one can tell us everything we need to
know to preserve the risk, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I mean we our government has done that with all
kinds of things where they've taken the public and sprayed
stuff and say, hey, we'll see how they react to
that so we can better. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
uh no, it's it's interesting, but yeah, it's gonna personally
it's gonna take something like that, and I believe it's
(35:25):
going to take a UFO to land and or douce
or blow up or something like. From independence today UFO
is you know, it's something's going to have to happen.
But I mean with that too, hearing those navy pilots,
those Air Force pilots, you know, going what the hell
is that thing? You know, and they're trying to track
(35:47):
and it's faster than them and changing directions. That's pretty
compelling stuff too.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I mean, and then yes, they got me hope.
That that gives me hope the whole the government has
come out recently, come out and admitted pretty much admitted
that there are things that we don't know about that
oh of course.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So I mean, what's it gonna take for them to
come out and do the same thing with Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well here's the other aspect too, like chat, GBT and AI.
You know, you can go on you can create pictures
or little movies or whatever, and that stuff is free
to the public. Think of how advanced that technology is,
so that's free to the public. Imagine what they have
that we don't even know about. Like, that's what I
(36:36):
think like there's stuff behind the curtains you and I
don't even know about that's being used, and like right
now they're like, hey, let's give it out to the
public so they can train it, so we can so
it can talk in real time. Any of your viewers
you want to you want to do something crazy, go
to chat GBT. Just just hit try for free and
(36:58):
then type this in pick any of your favorite comedians.
I did chat GBT tell a bigfoot joke in the
style of Dave Chappelle, and it sounded like I could
totally hear Dave Chappelle. It was funny and it did
it like in five seconds. That's crazy. Like people think,
you know, that kind of stuff is just for mathematics
or whatever, but it's getting it's getting more and more
(37:19):
in advanced so kind of wonder. Yeah, yeah, you wonder
what they're what we don't have access to that they do.
I know it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know it, man.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
So not to get off topic, but anyway, yeah, the
AI stuff and the hoax and yeah, it's uh but
that Farmington, Utah footage is blew me away.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah. So you're in Texas, right, Mark? Yeah, Okay, do
you hear a lot of activity and stuff in your area.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
No, no, not. I see a lot of stickers and
T shirts and wooden cutouts, but no I haven't. I
haven't bumped into anybody or at the gym, nobody's going, hey,
you know there was a big foot yesterday over there
on four forty eight, yeah or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So what's your background, Mark, What do you do and
what got you into this whole movie thing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, I was in the Coast Guard in the nineties.
I got out. I worked in retail as a manager
for Best Buy for like fifteen years and was like,
this is not it. And then I got into music
production and then from there. Right around twenty ten, I
think it was when Cannon released the Canon five D
(38:36):
camera that actually looked like film. I was like, Oh,
this is possible. You can actually make your own film now.
You don't need a massive group of people, you don't
need expensive, crazy equipment. This seven hundred dollars camera at
the time can do it. So I made my first
feature film, The Tormento Lorean Cullum in twenty thirteen. It
(38:57):
won the Best Actress at the Orlando Horror Film Festival.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Oh yeah, and uh it was out on.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Amazon for ten years. It was. It was everywhere and uh,
now the distribution deal, I got the rights back to it,
so now I own it again. I was split in
fifty to fifty for a while there with it, So
now I got it back, and there's some things I'm
going to redo revamp for it. But by day, my day,
I'm a video editor. I work with from I f
(39:27):
S that's a big major corporation, to restaurants, to you know, YouTubers.
That's a cool thing about being a video editor. Every
every job is different, you know. Yeah, so you followed
dam Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean I knew working
(39:47):
for somebody else was not it exactly? Yeah, that was
not it. But I will say, you know what, I
think I kind of missed my calling. I worked on
a farm when I was making when I I was.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Uh, stay tuned for more, but the big Footberport We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Right before COVID hit or whatever. I was working on
a farm and I got to drive a front loader,
and I'm like, I should have been a heavy equipment operator.
It was a lot of fun. I had a lot
of fun doing it. I don't want to give it up.
But anyway, Yeah, and ironically, those are the guys, like
commercial plumbers, roofers, those are the guys who are going
(40:29):
to be safe from all this AI stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh you know, yeah yeah, because not anybody can do
the ship they do.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
No lawyers, I mean, I mean, you don't need you
need a contract. We'll get online chat GPT will make
you a contract for free. You know, you don't need that.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So somebody, somebody that can make my shooter work exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
A buddy of mine works for a major, major company
and they tell him every single day, Hey, make sure
you're implementing AI in your daily task as much as possible.
Like they're literally telling you to train AI to take
your job. That's why they're doing.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
That, exactly. I don't Oh god, I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's a whole new episode, a whole new talk.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'll say this to all the kids
out there, anybody, if you're under twenty five or whatever,
become a commercial plumber. You don't have to deal with
the shit. You're laying brand new stuff. You'll make a
boatload of money, and AI is not going to take
your job.
Speaker 8 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Electricians, Yeah, electrician, there you go.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Carpenters, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll be safe for
at least another fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We do have a few questions for you that from
the audience that we want to get to. All right,
all right, First one is coming from our good buddy
Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey. How did you get all that good.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Deep dive into YouTube? Like? This took me three years
to make. This was not something I made in a weekend.
Three years of piecing all of it together. So rabbit
hole after rabbit hole down YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, yeah, very cool, all right. Next one Troy two
Fingers from Tennessee. Why was the documentary band?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Why was the documentary band? Uh? It was. It was
banned on actually some bigfoot groups because they they did
not like want to see hoax stuff and they're like,
we don't need another hoax video. Because I was trying
to I made made the trailer and then I was
put I was gonna put sections of it like kind
(42:46):
of episodes. I was gonna see how how it was
screening with people, and they immediately got banned. Nobody even
gave it a chance because they didn't want to hear
about it.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Okay, all right. Also Brown from Sasquatch Odyssey. Mark is
the whole documentary just public footage.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
News footage, news, news, archival footage news archive. Yeah, with
real people. Yeah, all one, real reactions.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, all right, Mark, Uh this is your chance, buddy.
Tell everybody anything you want to plug, anything you want
to talk about upcoming projects. Uh where they can find this?
Just anything you want to plug, here's your chance.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Uh Well, I just want to think you guys can
google uh Wayburned Virginia Bigfoot or way Burned Virginia. I
believe there's the website dot org. I want to thank
them for helping me give give me information, and they're
they're selling uh wayburn They got some great t shirts
(43:52):
and mugs and stuff on there that they're pretty funny.
Like one I I saw was uh wayburn Virginia, miss
Lee eating Bigfoot fans since nineteen seventy eight. That was awesome,
Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah one was. I think they
have one that says we didn't know how to fake aliens,
(44:15):
so we made up bigfoot. Yeah. They kind of leaned
into it, which I'm like, that's what you gotta do,
you know. So yeah, wayburn Virginia dot org. But yeah, Google,
Google wayburn Virginia on Bigfoot. But you can see this
movie The Town That Cry Bigfoot on Amazon Prime. You
can rent it, you can buy it. And it's like
(44:37):
I said, with my distribution deal, it's I'm getting licensed
on platforms. It seems like every other day now, so
just it's now streaming.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Awesome, awesome, very cool. Well you have my number, buddy,
I have yours. Anybody else comes up, holler at me.
We would love to have you back to talk about
any other you know, future projects.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Awesome. Thank thank so much, Waine and Tiffany. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
All right, you enjoy the rest of your evening, buddy,
and we will talk soon. All right, bye, bye, Hey everybody,
thank you so much for checking out this episode of
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(45:44):
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Speaker 7 (46:25):
Through the woods, the pine trees sway, shadows.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Long at end of day.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze. Secrets kept by ancient trees.
Dog Man house bring echoes in the silent too.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Tracks.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
We fine, but answers.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
None the truth that's just be gone.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
We're searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out
of sight in the forest heart where shadows lay seeking
see chrits in the twilight. Through the fall a shape
(47:37):
did glye, skin walker eyes sw Wi legends of Oh
we chase to night in the dark, Our lanterns bright
by the creek, ure water spill whisper Rye, the windsow chill,
(48:03):
full of steep band tails on top. In this land
the myths of We're searching past the fire light full
(48:27):
creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart, where
shadows lay, seeking seacrits in the twilight grad
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring awareness
fastimic to be an open door for somebody to walk through,
to be able to share their story, a listening ear,
a support hold for those who have held their own
encounters with that which is not.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Supposed to emiss.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all aligned, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something. Mark, what's that, buddy? Hey, doing very
(01:53):
very well. Sorry to keep you on hold for so long.
Went a little bit longer than we were expecting. But
thank you so much for hanging out with us, buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, I'm glad to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, well, Mark, before we jump in to talking to
you every and everything, we want to play the trailer
so you should be able to hear it, and everyone
that's watching live will be able to watch it. So
we're gonna go ahead and play that now. Okay, all ready,
(02:25):
here we go.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Wayvern Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I got a good tell my Crik and tonight another
body was discovered in the small town of Wavern, Virginia.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
When you're as local residents terrified for a while there,
(03:10):
you know, Wayburn was a great blazer to grow up,
you know, I mean it was the late seventies. Times
were much simpler back in and that was about up
until Danny Ship we came to town. Danny was a
new hot shot mayor from Richmond. He is basically looking
to climb his way up the political ladder and looking
for some low hanging fruit to do it. And apparently,
I guess Wayburn was his low hand. Threw to choice
(03:33):
mayor's shiplet and shriff through it met in secret with
two other men, Lannie Hutchins, the town mechanic, and Lester Clemens,
the town attorney, before of them came up with probe
the biggest hoax ever pulled in state of Virginia. That
was pretty much the beginning of the end for the
town of Wayburn.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Last night, two men ran into the Wayburn Sheriff's office
claiming they were terrorized out at their famili's farm by
a bigfoot.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
And what I've kept wanting to preak, he said, I
have to all I went through on this earth.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Why should I have to say something like that?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, that looks Mark, that looks really really cool.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think you did an amazing job on that, especially
going by the trailer. Well, thank you, all right, Mark,
let's go. The first question I always ask everyone is
what got them interested in this subject of bigfoot sasquatch
cryptid in general? Can you start from the beginning?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But yeah, well I'm old, I mean I'm fifty five,
so I grew up in the seventies, and for me,
the grandfather of all Bigfoot documentaries was Leonard Nimoy in
Search of Back in the Day, when Yeah, when that
came on, we were like, oh, and then I don't know,
(05:00):
came out in seventy seven, I believe, And then you know,
you fast forward to the six Million Dollar Man. I
think maybe two years later he's fighting a big Foot
on TV. And that was you know that that hooked me.
So it's been and ironically I stayed all this. You know,
this is all stated in the movie as well, that
(05:20):
how popular Bigfoot was back then. But it's it's amazing
now that you know, you're at a you're at a
traffic light and there's a Ford f one fifty with
a big Foot sticker on the back says I Believe
or Hide and Seek World Champion. It's just amazing. How
how long even people that I know, people that don't
(05:41):
even believe in Bigfoot, but they got the sticker, they
got the T shirt, you know. So so it's it's
it's a it's a cultural phenomenon. It hasn't hasn't gone anywhere.
It's kind of like rap music in the eighties, they're like, Oh,
it's a fad, it'll be out of here in five years.
It stayed, you know, Bigfoot. Bigfoot has stayed in power,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I like the Internet, you know. Yeah, Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know what, here's what's funny. I
worked at best Buy in nineteen I started a part
time in nineteen ninety seven, worked my way up to
our manager for a while there. But I was in
the store when Netflix first approached. This is before Netflix
had the internet where you could go online and watch.
It was all about you had to mail in. You
(06:26):
went to the internet and they would send you a
DVD and they'd send you three and then as you
sent them back, you would get your next one. And
I remember telling I'm like, this isn't going to work.
This is who's going to want to do this? And
look how wrong I was.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Anyway, if you said A bought stock back.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Then, oh exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh my goodness, my goodness. All right, So Mark, are
you are you from the town did all of this happened?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
No, I'm from Virginia. I grew up in Virginia. I
spent a lot of summers in Roanoke, which is Wayburn
was sandwich between Rono in Stanton, Virginia, which is a
little bit north. Explained that that's explained in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I don't know, Mark, if you can see us right now,
Tiffany just said that's where I live. She lives in Roanoke.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Oh yeah, okay, yes, Star Mountain. She I guarantee she's
been up there a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Times, nodding her head, yes, right now.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I knew about the
Star Mountain and but yeah, I mean it's I used
to spend summers in Chapel Hill, North Carolina with my grandparents.
Uh they owned a tobacco farm back in the day.
And yeah, so all that that whole area and Bigfoot,
it's part of the Appalachian you know. I mean you
always heard stories besides TV, you know. But yes, I
(07:46):
grew up in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, okay, So you remember when all of this, as
far as your documentary, when all this was going on, right, Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
No, I don't. I was I was too worried about girls.
I wasn't really paying there.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's what happens, That is what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I wasn't watching the news.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So everything in this documentary. That's it's true, right.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Uh well, I mean it is what I've dug up
and what I've pieced together. Uh that's the story I presented.
So that's all I can really say about it. And
and what the footage you're well, you haven't seen the movie, correct,
No I have not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah there
there's uh, every every piece of footage you see in there,
(08:35):
every reaction, every eye went in this account those that
that's that's what's different between this and other Bigfoot documentaries. Uh,
these are actual this is actual news footage. There's there's nobody. Yeah,
it's all real news footage. I mean there is. I
didn't hit record on a camera at all for any
of this. This is all from the moment it starts,
(08:58):
just like the trailer, to the moment it ends to
the last I think the last ten seconds you were
in nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty the entire time.
Wow yeah yeah yeah a lot of people that have
seen it there it turns into where's Waldo for them
because they're like, you know, they're they're like, oh, that's
the car I had in high school. My grandfather had
(09:20):
that pickup truck. You know, it's kind of it's a
it's a really cool just from the nostalgia piece, you know,
going back in time and you see a lot of
stuff that brings back memories.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So without giving away, you know, like a spoiler telling everybody,
you know, the ending and all of that kind of stuff,
tell us what it's about, what happened in this, because
I was clueless going into this.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So basically Waybourn, Virginia was a small lumber mill town
and they were doing okay for a while. They were
you know the number one either people were farmers or
they worked at the lumber mill or something. Times they
did both. They were farmers and they drove the lumber
mill trucks on the weekends or whatever to make you know,
extra cash. And the sheriff at the time, his cousin
(10:14):
was a young mayor in Richmond, Richmond, Virginia, and he
wasn't doing so well. He was he was trying to
climb up the political ladder. He was trying to become
governor of Virginia, and it just wasn't working out. Too
much competition in Richmond, you know, he wasn't he wasn't
doing very well, and so the sheriff from Wayburn calls
him and says, hey, Danny, why don't you why don't
(10:36):
you come out here to Wayburn? You know, big fish,
small pond, I gut with you know, my vote carries
a lot of weight. I've been sheriff in this town
for six years. Uh, we get you in here. And
then it's obviously it's clearly an advantage for the sheriff
because it's his younger brother or a younger cousin. And
not only is he family, he's also an older and
(10:57):
you know, it makes a sheriff's job a lot easier.
So he brings Danny in. And one of the things
Danny tries to do that backfires is to come in
and get the town really on his side and support.
Is he tries to flip the lumber mill that's been
in that town, the Shelby Lumber Company. He tries to
(11:17):
get them to flip the heavier pick up the bigger
tax scare so the people can pay less taxes and
Shelby Lumbermill can pay more. And the lumber mill, mister
Shelby shut the mill down for two weeks, and then
the end of that two weeks it ended up burning
down and they just left. And so now this is
(11:38):
all leading because you're like, what does it have to
do with Bigfoot? Here's here's where it all kicks off.
Now the new mayor is in a new town and
they're wiped out, like their number one source of income
is gone. And so he and the mayor, the town attorney,
Lester Owens, and the town mechanic they all met and
(12:00):
Lonnie Hutchins they met in his barn and uh they
were trying to figure out what to do. And Lonnie Hutchins,
who happened to be a father, he eyed his son's
six million dollar lunchman lunch box sitting on his workbench
and on the side of it there's there's pictures of it,
(12:23):
if anybody remembers there. On the side of the six
million dollar man lunchbox, one of them there's a picture
of Steve Austin fighting a big foot and he says,
what if we bring bigfoot to Wayburn? And they're like,
how the hell are you going to do that? And
so basically they create a bigfoot hoax to bring in
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to get the town to buy into it, and then
they start, you know, they got pictures because they waited
for the first snowfall, and then they got the news
cameras out there, and then it starts to blow up
and they're now they're trying to bring in tourism. And
it goes it goes from bad to worst. Really in
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the span of two years. It goes from bad to worse.
But that's that's pretty much, uh, the crux of what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Man, that God, that's so so interesting, and I want
to hear you talk about how it goes from bad
to worse. But the whole the this is all just
a hoax, right, I mean, no one, there's no bigfoot siding,
there's no anything like that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well here's what's interesting, though, here's what's interesting. So when
you see the pictures of the big foot tracks they
took pictures of now. Back in the seventies, skateboards, skateboards
don't look like they did today. They were plastic and
they look like we call them used to call them
yellow banana. They were really long and thin. And you
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see the skateboard laying beside this footprint which is longer
than the actual skateboard and wider. So when you see
all these these prints, the one thing the sheriff when
he went to testify, he's like, look, we laid down
two sets of tracks, but if you look at all
these pictures, some of those aren't ours. And he's like
(14:18):
the bigfoot howls and all that stuff that he's like,
we never did that because they knew that most people
didn't have portable recorders or could set recorders. Back then,
tape decks and everything were around, but they not every
kid had one. The farmers didn't have them. They had
no reason for it really, so they knew they had
to leave tangible things that the next day people could
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take pictures of, and that's why they did the foot
track the footprints. So on the stand the sheriff even
testified like, look at the pictures, those are ours, but
those aren't and the hows we never did those because
we didn't we didn't know how to pull it off.
And b we didn't know if people would even recorded
(15:00):
or whatever. We needed stuff to get on the news,
and so there was some unexplained events, which is kind
of ironic, kind of like that's why I named it
the Town that Cried Bigfoot, kind of like the Boy
that Cried Wolf, Well, he cries wolf twice and then
finally a wolf does come and nobody believes him. So
that was a little twist at the end. I'm like, oh,
that's crazy. What if there really was a real bigfoot
(15:22):
walking around while they were faking it to bring in tourism,
you know, because they did. For a little while, they
were known as the Bigfoot Capital of the East Coast
for you know, I don't know, I think eighteen months
or something like that because of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
David Letterman made a spoof on it. That's in the movie.
(15:42):
You can actually see David Letterman, you know, with the mayor.
The guy dressed up looks like the mayor and the sheriff,
and he's like, Mayor, isn't this all you know, your rhetoric,
Your rhetorics were very well rehearsed. There's no such thing
as bigfoot. And then he's like, no, no, no, there
is there is. We got them on film. And that
was a big spoof David Letterman did about this.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
At the time, so there were actual legal proceedings and
stuff about all of this.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, it's uh yeah, it was uh yeah. The sheriff
goes to jail. I don't want to get into I
don't want to swell the end of it. But yeah, yeah,
there's there's a there's a murder that happens.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh yeah, I got yeah, yeah, why don't you ruin it?
But damn, I have so many questions.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, well, I mean it's uh. I'll say this, and
I'm just being honest. I would not have made this
movie if it was just going to be another Bigfoot
movie with drone footage over an empty forest and broad
daylight people trying to make it sound scary. I didn't
want to film somebody sitting on the couch for an
(16:47):
hour just talking to me. There's a gazillion of those,
so I would have never and I'm I would have
never even approached the subject if the footage wasn't there.
And that's like I said, from the moment you hit
play to the moment it's over, you were in nineteen
seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It makes me want to just stop what we're doing
right now and go watch it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Well, I guess I'm doing my job.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Then, yeah, yeah you are. Tell everybody where they can
find it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You can go to Amazon, and it's streaming on some
other platforms, and it's still being licensed out to some
different ones. But I know on Amazon Prime right now
you can rent it or buy it as.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Well Amazon Prompt, So that's like the main place you
can get it.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, that's the main place.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
How long has it been out, Mark.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Less than right at a month in March twenty third. Yeah,
it just came out March twenty third. I believe I
didn't even know it was out. To my brother. He's like, hey,
I watch it. I'm like how, and he's like, it's
on Amazon. I was like, they didn't even tell me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So Mark, tell us a little bit
about your background, Like what in the hell got you
interested in this, this giant, hairy thing that even made
you interested in making a movie like this.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Well, I mean, like I was saying earlier, you know,
I grew up in that time where Bigfoot was very,
very popular, and I mean when you're a kid, you
had Bigfoot, you had Evil and Evil. We had like
these things that were like superheroes in our mind as kids.
So Bigfoot, you know, I saw a six million dollar
man and all that, but it didn't really dawn on me.
(18:29):
I mean it kind of went away for a little while,
and now I'm seeing Bigfoot everywhere and so that's kind
of what made me hop on the internet and I
just started going down to YouTube rabbit holes looking for stuff,
and I was like, there's got to be you know,
there's got to be stories, especially where I grew up.
I'm at the foot of the Appalachian Mountains around that area,
(18:50):
so I'm like, there, I know there's got to be
something that hasn't been told. And it took like two
years to gather everything and find everything, but yeah, that's
that was the interest. I mean, it literally was sparked
by sitting in a stoplight one day and seeing the
guy with the f one fifty with the back sticker
on says I believe in a big foot walking with
(19:11):
the thumbs up, and I was like, that's not going away,
Like why is it still so popular. That's kind of
what made me start to investigated more.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I talked to her before I saw a damn
bigfoot sticker on a BMW one time. Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
You know what's Yeah, I'm in so I'm in Texas,
just above Galveston, and there's a it's called League City,
and uh there's a place called Keema and it's like
this little it's kind of outdoor amusement they got. They
got like Bubbick Up Shrimp and Landry's Restaurant and these
Ferris wheels and roller coasters. But outside of one of
their bars they have somebody made it out of a
(19:48):
rusted piece of sheet metal. It's literally a ten foot
silhouette of a Bigfoot. And I just kind of I
was like, in Texas really, you know, but I didn't
know this. Texas I think is ranked number third or
fourth in sightings, which is I think it's called Jefferson, Texas,
which is kind of more towards Arkansas, I believe or
(20:09):
something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, it's up there, it really is. Stay tuned for more,
but the big Foot Report, we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah. And I was shocked because I spent a majority
of my life in Florida. I had no idea how
popular Bigfoot was in Florida.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, Florida is up there too. And yeah, as far
as like ranking.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, I figured it was going to be all California,
Washington State, you know, that whole area. But I was shocked.
You know, Texas and Florida we're pretty high up there.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah. And when I first got into this mark, it
was twenty. I've always been interested. Like you as a kid,
I was always interested. I'm forty six years old. I
was always interested. And then twenty nineteen is when I
really went gung ho, when I started my organization mad
More Research to get out start looking at these things.
(21:04):
And it was because of podcasts. I started listening to
podcasts and I started hearing people in my area that
were having sightings. I'm in Tennessee, I'm in Southeast and
North Georgia. Man, they're covered in sidings. The one place
where I believe I had my only visual sighting and
(21:28):
it was through thermal like two o'clock in the morning,
bitter bitter cold like in the in the single digits.
That was in north That was in North Georgia. And
growing up, I always thought, you know, Pacific, Northwest Washington, California, Oregon,
that's where they were. And when I heard that there
(21:51):
were sightings in Tennessee and in Georgia and North Carolina,
I was hooked. Man. I just I didn't know what
to think.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Well, you know, for me, because people ask me. I've
done a couple of these podcasts now since the movie
has been out, and people ask me all the time
what's the most compelling footage The most compelling footage that
I've seen, hands down. I don't know if you're familiar
with it. It's I believe it's called the Francis Peak Armington,
Utah footage. It's a white well maybe named something else
(22:24):
on YouTube, but it's the bigfoot walking up the side
of a snow a peak, a snow peak, and it's
like a knee deep snow. It's done from a spotter's
scope like on a gun, and he's probably I think,
two miles away, but you can still see what it
is and you can see this thing is huge and
the rate of speed and the distance it's covering and
(22:46):
knee deep snow at that altitude, and it's going up, Like,
I don't know anything else that could do that upright
on two legs. To me, that is it's either that's
AI or that's a big foot. That's the only two.
Because some stuff you can go that's a black bear,
that's you know, that's a German shepherd behind a bush.
(23:08):
You know, there's a lot of things you can you
can kind of explain away that one. Literally, I was like,
that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And where was that at again?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It's called if you look it up on YouTube, I
believe it's called the Francis Peak and it's in Farmington, Utah.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I believe U Tah Is that Brian Yeah, the host
of Sasquatch Odyssey. You know, uh, wild, wildly successful, probably
top three big foot podcast in the world. He is
a great friend of mine. I co host a podcast
with him. He's in here tonight and he is saying
that we discussed that one, and I think I know
(23:50):
which one you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, it's a it's just a white, a white snowcap peak,
something loose sky behind it. Incredible, Yeah, like I guess
like a forty five degree angle or something like that.
But yeah, the rate of speed and the distance is
covering was just like, yeah, that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, I know, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, So for me, that's that's the piece of footage
I would direct. If people are like, well, do you
believe I'm like, listen, I'm open to anything, but this
one's hard to explain, you know, And and Bigfoot kind
of fits the answer, you know, or AI either or
And that's the other aspect of this movie that is
(24:35):
really I wanted to make people think too is big
because I know the Bigfoot community from what I gather
is they get really irritated, and I understand it, get
irritated with hoaxes and everything, but Bigfoot hoaxes are just
as an integral part of the community because it it
should make you use more critical thinking, which will help
(24:56):
keep Bigfoot research and evidence more authentic by using critical thinking.
Like to put it simple, if you were on trial
for your life, you would hope and pray that the
jury would use critical thinking. They want to go, well,
we got Wayne's footprints outside the garage, so we know
he did it. They're like, well, but Wayne lives there
(25:18):
and he walks outside that garage eight times a day.
Of course it's footprint.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You would hope they would they would analyze a little
bit more, And that's what should be done too, because
there's a lot of people out there that are creating hoaxes.
And I forgot the guy's name the other podcast told
me about it, the guy who sold the big foot
suit for fifty thousand dollars in a freezer.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Uh God, I was just thinking about him and I
was going to bring him up. Yeah, it was in
North Georgia.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like, and they
really can a lawsuit, that's it, that's it. Yeah, they
really had no lawsuit because they're like, hey, buyer, beware,
you know, like you he's told you what you know.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Your bod Yeah, I mean he Greg Dyre, his partner
in the whole thing, was a cop in north in
North Georgia at the time, and that's where I was
working at the time. And my buddy Brian, who's on
here to not was a police officer in North or
Or in Georgia in the Atlanta area when all that
(26:22):
was going on, and I just I couldn't believe it.
But when when when that all that was going on?
Because I was doing pest control at that time, I
was running around in the Blue Ridge Mountains and I
heard it come across the radio Bigfoot's been found to
have a body in North Georgia. I'm like, oh my god, hell, yes,
thank you Lord. Right, And then to come out to
(26:46):
see what they presented it was ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean that's uh yeah. Bigfoot hoaxes,
I think are very important because it creates a more
discerning eye and a thinking which you need, you have
to have because otherwise, because there's I mean, honestly, there's
so many things I've seen on bigfoot groups before that,
(27:11):
uh you know one this laugh. This made me laugh
and I couldn't resist, and actually I get kicked off
a Reddit form for this post somebody had. There was
you know how you see the trees bent over like
in a U shape, kind of like a well, there
were these two's I guess saplings. They weren't that big,
maybe as big as your arm. They were bent over
and there's a boulder sitting on top. And people were like,
(27:34):
there's no other explanation, There's no possible way this could
be done. And it literally whan It took me ten
seconds to do a Google search of a bobcat lifting
up a boulder and you know the little, the little
uh front loader bobcats, of the black and white ones
you see on construction sites. I found a picture of
a guy literally doing just that, putting a boulder to
(27:57):
bend over a tree, and I'm like, would this be
the next possible explanation? Yeah? And I got banned banned
for uh yeah, I was like whatever, Yeah, but I mean,
you need a discerning eye. I mean we do with everything.
I put it this way, this time next year, I
don't care what news states, CNN, Fox or whatever you watch.
(28:20):
Even if you watch Joe Rogan this time next year,
whatever you're watching on YouTube or on your TV, You're
gonna really have to is that really Joe Rogan? Is
he really talking to the president? Is he?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Is that is that really a CNN or Fox News
reporter or whoever? But with AI, it's getting so good,
I mean remarkably good, so fast that it's it's gonna
be really scary.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, and it's scary right now.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Oh yeah, it's gonna get worse for sure, where we're
just gonna and the sad thing is we will just
start to just accept it, you know. I mean we're
in a weird time now. Like you said, you're forty six,
is what you said. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So okay, we're
we're around the same age group. We're in a time
now where at the same time we believe nothing, but
(29:09):
we believe everything, and meaning we believe nothing because we're everybody.
You know, there's conspiracy theories about everything. You know, there's
a conspiracy theory about egg prices whatever. But At the
same time, if we get in the right echo chamber
and we hear enough people say what we agree with,
then we just buy into that too. It's a weird time,
(29:30):
you know, it really is.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
An AI scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Man. Yeah, as an artist, I don't like it. Here's
what I want AI for, Wayne. I want AI to
cut the grass, take out the garbage, do the dishes.
I don't want it to make a movie for me.
I don't want it to make an album for me.
I don't want it to paint a picture for me,
you know if I.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
But you just you don't know what to trust anymore, man.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely, And especially when you soundbites.
You can't trust the SoundBite. Yeah you can. You know
you can use anything.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah. You look at like tiktoks and you say a
thing of like jay Z talking and his mouth is
off just a little bit, and you yeah, he's not
talking about that.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Mark. I do
want to ask you, Yeah, are you a believer in Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Uh? I am. I can't say I'm a believer. I'm
a disbeliever because I haven't seen one you know. So
there's really nothing to But when I see something like
that Farmington, Utah footage. I look at something like that
and I can only conclude there's two explanations. Either it's
AI or it's a real bigfoot. But I have nothing
(30:47):
to make me go, yes, that is that's a big
foot or whatever. Look at the drone footage, like all
the drones in New Jersey. You know, I didn't for
one minute think those are UFOs because I'm like, the
government's not gonna that's us. That's clear, came out and
said it was us, you know. So, I mean there's
a lot of times there's logical explanations, but that farming
can u tall. I have no idea what that is.
(31:09):
I feel comfortable going, hey, if you want to see
some big foot footage, this is the one. But I've
never seen one, you know, and I've never I haven't
seen enough things around me. I've seen a lot of
like we just discussed, I've seen a lot of things
that could be explained away. And well, let me go
back to the Patterson Gimblin film. Yeah. The one thing
(31:30):
about the Patterson Gimblin film that and I believe is
I've seen. I've I've heard Hollywood costume designers from that
era going, we had nothing like that in Hollywood, the
way the muscles move and the way and so they
can't Even the guys who make that stuff are like,
(31:51):
we never saw anything that that good, because we would
have put in movies if we did. Yep, you know,
so that that was pretty compelling to hear that. I'm like, oh,
that holds weight. That definitely holds weight.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Mark I've said that. That's like one of my biggest
personal arguments is the the Patty film Patterson gave My
film was shot in nineteen six October in nineteen sixty seven,
either the year, a couple of years before or a
couple of years after, A Planet of the Apes was released,
and it won the Academy Award for Best Costume. So
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that was the best that Hollywood could give you. And
that that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
That's a great point.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You cannot tell me that these two cowboys, broke cowboys
in California could do better than Hollywood in that timeframe.
It's just not possible.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's yeah, because the Plant of
the Apes, I mean, I love that as a kid,
but you know, you look at it now, it's kind
of like, I like Star Wars as a kid, but
you look at it now, like Mark Hamill, that was
some of the worst acting as an adult. I'm like,
that's the truth. But but uh yeah, Plant of the Apes, Yeah,
there wasn't. They didn't have muscle tone. They didn't have
I mean, it looked like guys and zip up fur suits. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
No, uh, Mark, let me ask you this, Uh what's
it gonna take to prove the existence a Bigfoot?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I mean I think like pretty much anything else is
either gonna have to find on a live one or
a dead one, you know, because then you're gonna have
real DNA samples. You're gonna have real I mean, I
mean that's kind of how we we did it. We've
in my limited experience as to what we've done with
everything else that we can verify, you know, we got bones,
(33:40):
we got this, We got that, we have DNA or
we have a live one or we have a dead one,
you know. But I I mean, yeah, it's a it's
it's a fun interesting topic. And I think that's why
even with people who aren't into bigfoot, it's still fascinating,
you know. That's why you see these stickers and T
shirts every where because people are still kind of like,
(34:02):
well we haven't you know, who knows?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, And I think without you know, beyond the shut over. Now,
it's gonna take a body. That's just That's what I
feel because and the reason I asked that is due
to the nineteen sixty seven footage of Patty, the Patterson
Gimmelin film. If that wasn't enough, then nothing's going to
be enough. Photos and video are not going to be enough.
(34:29):
It's going to take a body. And all these groups
out there, the wood Ape Conservancy, the ones that that
are out there and their goal is to kill one
and bring it in to prove it. A lot of
people can't stand that. They they hate that, they talk
(34:50):
crap about them. I don't really see a problem with it.
If killing one can tell us everything we need to
know to preserve the risk, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I mean we our government has done that with all
kinds of things where they've taken the public and sprayed
stuff and say, hey, we'll see how they react to
that so we can better. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
uh no, it's it's interesting, but yeah, it's gonna personally
it's gonna take something like that, and I believe it's
(35:25):
going to take a UFO to land and or douce
or blow up or something like. From independence today UFO
is you know, it's something's going to have to happen.
But I mean with that too, hearing those navy pilots,
those Air Force pilots, you know, going what the hell
is that thing? You know, and they're trying to track
(35:47):
and it's faster than them and changing directions. That's pretty
compelling stuff too.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I mean, and then yes, they got me hope.
That that gives me hope the whole the government has
come out recently, come out and admitted pretty much admitted
that there are things that we don't know about that
oh of course.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So I mean, what's it gonna take for them to
come out and do the same thing with Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well here's the other aspect too, like chat, GBT and AI.
You know, you can go on you can create pictures
or little movies or whatever, and that stuff is free
to the public. Think of how advanced that technology is,
so that's free to the public. Imagine what they have
that we don't even know about. Like, that's what I
(36:36):
think like there's stuff behind the curtains you and I
don't even know about that's being used, and like right
now they're like, hey, let's give it out to the
public so they can train it, so we can so
it can talk in real time. Any of your viewers
you want to you want to do something crazy, go
to chat GBT. Just just hit try for free and
(36:58):
then type this in pick any of your favorite comedians.
I did chat GBT tell a bigfoot joke in the
style of Dave Chappelle, and it sounded like I could
totally hear Dave Chappelle. It was funny and it did
it like in five seconds. That's crazy. Like people think,
you know, that kind of stuff is just for mathematics
or whatever, but it's getting it's getting more and more
(37:19):
in advanced so kind of wonder. Yeah, yeah, you wonder
what they're what we don't have access to that they do.
I know it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I know it, man.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
So not to get off topic, but anyway, yeah, the
AI stuff and the hoax and yeah, it's uh but
that Farmington, Utah footage is blew me away.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah. So you're in Texas, right, Mark? Yeah, Okay, do
you hear a lot of activity and stuff in your area.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
No, no, not. I see a lot of stickers and
T shirts and wooden cutouts, but no I haven't. I
haven't bumped into anybody or at the gym, nobody's going, hey,
you know there was a big foot yesterday over there
on four forty eight, yeah or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So what's your background, Mark, What do you do and
what got you into this whole movie thing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, I was in the Coast Guard in the nineties.
I got out. I worked in retail as a manager
for Best Buy for like fifteen years and was like,
this is not it. And then I got into music
production and then from there. Right around twenty ten, I
think it was when Cannon released the Canon five D
(38:36):
camera that actually looked like film. I was like, Oh,
this is possible. You can actually make your own film now.
You don't need a massive group of people, you don't
need expensive, crazy equipment. This seven hundred dollars camera at
the time can do it. So I made my first
feature film, The Tormento Lorean Cullum in twenty thirteen. It
(38:57):
won the Best Actress at the Orlando Horror Film Festival.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Oh yeah, and uh it was out on.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Amazon for ten years. It was. It was everywhere and uh,
now the distribution deal, I got the rights back to it,
so now I own it again. I was split in
fifty to fifty for a while there with it, So
now I got it back, and there's some things I'm
going to redo revamp for it. But by day, my day,
I'm a video editor. I work with from I f
(39:27):
S that's a big major corporation, to restaurants, to you know, YouTubers.
That's a cool thing about being a video editor. Every
every job is different, you know. Yeah, so you followed
dam Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean I knew working
(39:47):
for somebody else was not it exactly? Yeah, that was
not it. But I will say, you know what, I
think I kind of missed my calling. I worked on
a farm when I was making when I I was.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Uh, stay tuned for more, but the big Footberport We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Right before COVID hit or whatever. I was working on
a farm and I got to drive a front loader,
and I'm like, I should have been a heavy equipment operator.
It was a lot of fun. I had a lot
of fun doing it. I don't want to give it up.
But anyway, Yeah, and ironically, those are the guys, like
commercial plumbers, roofers, those are the guys who are going
(40:29):
to be safe from all this AI stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh you know, yeah yeah, because not anybody can do
the ship they do.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
No lawyers, I mean, I mean, you don't need you
need a contract. We'll get online chat GPT will make
you a contract for free. You know, you don't need that.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So somebody, somebody that can make my shooter work exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
A buddy of mine works for a major, major company
and they tell him every single day, Hey, make sure
you're implementing AI in your daily task as much as possible.
Like they're literally telling you to train AI to take
your job. That's why they're doing.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
That, exactly. I don't Oh god, I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's a whole new episode, a whole new talk.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'll say this to all the kids
out there, anybody, if you're under twenty five or whatever,
become a commercial plumber. You don't have to deal with
the shit. You're laying brand new stuff. You'll make a
boatload of money, and AI is not going to take
your job.
Speaker 8 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Electricians, Yeah, electrician, there you go.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Carpenters, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll be safe for
at least another fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We do have a few questions for you that from
the audience that we want to get to. All right,
all right, First one is coming from our good buddy
Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey. How did you get all that good.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Deep dive into YouTube? Like? This took me three years
to make. This was not something I made in a weekend.
Three years of piecing all of it together. So rabbit
hole after rabbit hole down YouTube.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, yeah, very cool, all right. Next one Troy two
Fingers from Tennessee. Why was the documentary band?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Why was the documentary band? Uh? It was. It was
banned on actually some bigfoot groups because they they did
not like want to see hoax stuff and they're like,
we don't need another hoax video. Because I was trying
to I made made the trailer and then I was
put I was gonna put sections of it like kind
(42:46):
of episodes. I was gonna see how how it was
screening with people, and they immediately got banned. Nobody even
gave it a chance because they didn't want to hear
about it.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Okay, all right. Also Brown from Sasquatch Odyssey. Mark is
the whole documentary just public footage.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
News footage, news, news, archival footage news archive. Yeah, with
real people. Yeah, all one, real reactions.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, all right, Mark, Uh this is your chance, buddy.
Tell everybody anything you want to plug, anything you want
to talk about upcoming projects. Uh where they can find this?
Just anything you want to plug, here's your chance.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Uh Well, I just want to think you guys can
google uh Wayburned Virginia Bigfoot or way Burned Virginia. I
believe there's the website dot org. I want to thank
them for helping me give give me information, and they're
they're selling uh wayburn They got some great t shirts
(43:52):
and mugs and stuff on there that they're pretty funny.
Like one I I saw was uh wayburn Virginia, miss
Lee eating Bigfoot fans since nineteen seventy eight. That was awesome,
Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah one was. I think they
have one that says we didn't know how to fake aliens,
(44:15):
so we made up bigfoot. Yeah. They kind of leaned
into it, which I'm like, that's what you gotta do,
you know. So yeah, wayburn Virginia dot org. But yeah, Google,
Google wayburn Virginia on Bigfoot. But you can see this
movie The Town That Cry Bigfoot on Amazon Prime. You
can rent it, you can buy it. And it's like
(44:37):
I said, with my distribution deal, it's I'm getting licensed
on platforms. It seems like every other day now, so
just it's now streaming.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Awesome, awesome, very cool. Well you have my number, buddy,
I have yours. Anybody else comes up, holler at me.
We would love to have you back to talk about
any other you know, future projects.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Awesome. Thank thank so much, Waine and Tiffany. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
All right, you enjoy the rest of your evening, buddy,
and we will talk soon. All right, bye, bye, Hey everybody,
thank you so much for checking out this episode of
The Bigfoot Report. We appreciate everything that you guys do.
All of the continued support means the world to us.
(45:22):
If you don't mind, if you would take just a
second go rate and review the show wherever it is
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(45:44):
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We thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
Through the woods, the pine trees sway, shadows.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Long at end of day.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze. Secrets kept by ancient trees.
Dog Man house bring echoes in the silent too.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Tracks.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
We fine, but answers.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
None the truth that's just be gone.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
We're searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out
of sight in the forest heart where shadows lay seeking
see chrits in the twilight. Through the fall a shape
(47:37):
did glye, skin walker eyes sw Wi legends of Oh
we chase to night in the dark, Our lanterns bright
by the creek, ure water spill whisper Rye, the windsow chill,
(48:03):
full of steep band tails on top. In this land
the myths of We're searching past the fire light full
(48:27):
creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart, where
shadows lay, seeking seacrits in the twilight grad
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