July 11, 2025 • 60 mins
On this episode of The Bigfoot Report we welcome Donna from Ohio to the show. Donna is a life long experiencer, and is of Native American decent. She shares her first ever experience with the Watchers, as she calls the Sasquatch, along with stories passed down through her family.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening here, a support hold for those who have
had their own encounters with that which is not supposed
to exist.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Hey, what's up? Everybody's waying? Welcome back to the Bigfoot Report.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We had a chance to sit down with Mss Donna
from Ohio a couple of months ago, Miss Tiffany and
I did and had just a fantasm to talk with her.
Just so much really really cool stuff. And we're going
to be having her back because she has a lot
to share. She comes from a Native American background and
just a really good storyteller. I did want to jump
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on here and let you guys know that she does
keep parakeets, so they are pretty vocal, as I'm sure
most of you know, and at times you can hear them.
Doesn't take anything away from the interview or the sound
or anything. Just wanted to let you guys know to
be mindful of that, all right. Other than that, the
(02:33):
interview went off just fine. Had a really good time
talking to her. I know you guys are going to
enjoy y'all Sit back, relax, unless get started.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Pronounce your last name for me.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's Copus Copas, Okay, I don't remember if that's how
I did it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But he got pretty close.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You were pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Close, all right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Again, thank you so much for taking the time to
come and hang out with us this evening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Can we do with everyone?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We just want you to just take your time, get comfortable,
start at the beginning and tell us what exactly happened,
how old, where, and just just what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
They got you interested in this topic.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well, like I said.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
My dad was a hunter and a trapper. He dug roots.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
He was born in nineteen twenty seven, actually in a
cabin back in the woods. When I say cabin, you know,
he's country. And I grew up on a big farm.
It's like three hundred acres and so I was six,
and my dad gave me whatever, you know, but the
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rule was you had to work for it.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So on this time there was a county fair in town.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I want to go to fair. So he's like, okay,
well I had to go dig roots. So he takes
me out and there's a big catch yellow root. People
call it gold and seal. We call it yeallow root.
And so if it's setting there, I wasn't digging a
whole lot of self gud was doing most of digging,
and then I just cleaned it. He break the tops
off and had two big feed sacks from the cows.
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You have big burl out feet sacks and the tops
flow in one bag and the roots going the other.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
That means sitting there doing that for quite a while.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And my diet chewed tobacco and he'd always take the
long green from the barn because we raised tobacco, and
he'd carry out and the top of his bibs. And
he got up from where he's digging. He walked over
with this big stump there. It was like when we
were digging. So he laid that tobacco on that stump.
And then he didn't call me Donna. He used to
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call me Donny or he called me Tooke. And he's like,
come on, do we're gonna go. And I was like,
you know, I'm grumbling because I don't want to leave on.
I'm thinking, ain't gonna go enough money, So I'm like,
black kid, dig my tone to dart, you know, And
it's like now, I said come on, And so I
got by the hand and he was walking away. As
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was walking away, I looked back behind me and this big,
huge black figure stood up from you know, not thirty
feet from where I had been set and it stood
up and it took that tobacco off that stump. And
of course now I'm scared because I'm yanking on that's hand.
These just kind of shook a little wit and he says, now,
(05:22):
just knock it off, you know, on skows and it's
all right, you leave him alone. He'll leave you then.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And this thing's eight foot tall.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I mean to me, it looked like a mountain because
it's so huge and I'm little, and so it walks
back up into the cliffs because we were pretty deep
in the woods. And but that I never really figured out.
That was God's way of start my education. And schefferd
he interacted with them too, and as much as his
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mother did you know, my grandmother, you know, they were
back in the country. So the cabge where dad grew
up gets sets under buzzy breast.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's a big conservancy and now it's just a big area.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, and Donna, real quick, let me interrupt you real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't think I mentioned that you come from Shawnee background. Yes,
your grandmother was full blooded, so that would have made
your dad half in your quarter so I know your
family has some stories and I would love to hear them.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Oh there's something. Well, I'm sixty two, I'm a little older.
I've been around a while and I've had I grew
up in the woods.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That was my from that farm.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I was a wild child. I was crazy, but I
hated school. So I told my dad was first grade.
I was like, you buy me a new phony. Died,
I go to school. We bought my phony. Three days
after got the phony, I ran off on the phone.
So I literally lived in It was I. I hated
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going to school. I hate it being inside. So I
spent my time about creek. You know. Yeah, I would
go there and I guess my next Really, I would
see them.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Dad taught me the markers, the stacked rocks, the exes,
the trees. Uh he calls them plan signs. If they
look like tep's are like the These aren't little teeny branches.
These are big sticks, you know, big almost not logs.
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But they are these things twenty five feet long, and
they make them look like a TEP and it's down.
And then the marker rocks. You know, God, you see
those those means that's their markers. This is their territory.
This is telling them it's safe here. This is where
you can get food out, you know. And this is
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a pacific group because there's there're in groups. They're not
you know, it's not sometimes you'll see a single one,
but that's rare. They're more in like a family group,
and they mark their areas. So he showed me that.
And the rule was you never touched those, you never
moved those. You respected that. And when I call them
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the I call them the watchers. I don't call them
bigfoot or satsofarage. They're the watchers because our Shawnee legend
says the first thing was that the moon eight people
came and they had children with the shawn the Shawnee
not meaning that the watchers had children with the Shawnee.
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The watchers were left behind to protect the children. I've
been asked, is this like the angels that came down
and had you know, the the giants and had children,
And yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Said, the moon eye people that's.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Actually have artifacts their stone heads. That's been passed down
for early eighteen hundreds. And my family has came from
generation generation because each generation, my very first grandfather came
here in seventeen. I get letters from seventeen ninety seven
and he married the first Shawnee woman there. I have
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heard her name was Lame Wolf, so, but he was
called red Bell because he had this big long He
was irish, said this big, huge long red Beard. And
he's actually buried by Wezardrews. So each generation our bloodline
is deeper because each generation we came down we had
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that Native American and I still do all the way
through the Shawnee. So our heritage, the old stories has
been handed down. I was the kid child ran in
the woods. I was a kid that had more pleasure
of setting in the rocket. Sure of my grandma stories
and it's like my brother's heading for the bar, you know,
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not have to drag them out.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, I was Homema.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I did a short episode a couple of years ago
on the Moon Eyed people.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I had never heard of them.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I just doing research, look for researching something to talk about,
trying to find something interesting to talk about, and I
ran across them and they were native to like my area,
like the North Georgia Mountains in that area that there's
even to this day on I can't think of Fort
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Mountain and l A J. There's like a statue a
tribute to the mooneyed people up there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's really cool. I wasn't expecting to hear about that tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, I have these are little stoneheads. Like I said,
it's been pasted down. They're like a ceremonial type artifact
my dad. My dad passed away a few years ago,
and then they came to me and I haven't decided
which child will. I still have three children, but I
haven't decided whether that or a grandchild will get them there.
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They'll be held in trust until the appropriate person. You
kind of have to be chosen. It's not something that's
given freely. You have to prove yourself to get those.
Believe me, I worked really hard. I've followed a lot
of rules that I did not want to. But it's
and I still follow the old ways. I stopped the
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old ways, still follow the old way. I still hunt.
I do gifting, uh for the for the watchers, I
do gifting.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I make special applicates. It's homemade.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I have areas that I still go to that that
specifically told me this has to be done at this
time of year. Actually have a full moon coming tomorrow.
I think that I have to do a couple of
things then. But anyway, that's that's how I grew up,
and I grew up with them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Dad's rules was you can't be stupid. You know, you
respect them. Don't be stupid though, because I don't. Never
think that they can't be dangerous, because they can. Basically,
you leave them alone and respect them. But there's always
that robe, there's that chance there's a rogue there that
can be violent. I never a couple of times in
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my life, I've had a couple you know, not so
much violent directed towards me, but I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, can you talk about that? What do you mean
by you've you've seen it?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
What?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
What did you see? Violence?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Was?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Okay, Well, my dad, like I said, my dad was
eighty four. My mom got sick first, and I moved
her here with me, told me you fix the place,
move on you. Well, he didn't come. He stayed on
the farm, and then he had a stroke. And then
when I moved him, he was eighty four, and he
was in my house for a while, but I put
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him over a home right in my front yard, so
I could just walk out my door and into his
because I've used total care and for the last two
years it's life. I never left him. I just stayed
there continuously. And but within a month of my dad
being here, when I built my house, my bedroom because
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I love the woods. I still love the woods. I
still hang out in the woods. I do ten mile heikes,
you know. But I built my I put big plate
glass windows. My bedroom sets against the woods. So when
I owned that back there, so there's no one going
to be there looking at my window. So my windows
are you know, it was plate glass windows, and I
had the old time door. You know what that old
time screen door is. If my storm door is just scream, yeah,
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okay there, because I have a creek and I'm sitting
under the trees springs that feeds my house. I don't
have county water, I don't have city water. I have springs.
But I'd leave that bedroom door open in summertime because
that breeze comes. I didn't have that air condition. But
within a month, you know, I've been here, and the
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first night I smelt this horrible smell, which I should
have recognized from my childhood, because they do have different smells.
They have that horrible smell. The smells like septic blue up,
you know, like yurn and yuki, and then they have
that earthy leafy Sometimes it's even got like a honeysuck
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old mixed in with that earthy smell.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
But this night it was a bad smell. And again
I woke up.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
You know, it's like three in the morning, all wake
I was like, oh, for right, you know, you had
the freaking sceptic climb bust or what And I didn't
see nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh And finally the smell went away.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Stay tuned for more, but the big foot report, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And then the second night, again I saw the shadow.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I got this. You can imagine. My whole wall was glass,
and it had you know, like the window seal or
this window seat where you can set up in the window.
That's how it's shooted out, so I could set up
in there if I wanted to. And I saw the
dark shape there by that window. And again I'm thinking,
because we do we have coyotes, bears, by bobcats. It
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comes into my barn all kind of crap, and I thought,
is it a bear? You know, is there a bear?
Come down? And again it went away. But the third
night I closed my bedroom door. I did.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I was like, it's getting getting a little concerning.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The fourth night, when I went down, I got midnight
to put down to bed because he wouldn't go bed,
so he watched the news and he didn't walk very.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Good from the stroke, so I would have to help him.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
There's a whole routine and getting prepared for bed. And
when I came out at the corner. My house is
in little valley, and I'd left this big, huge cedar
tree for shade in the corner of my yard, and
I seen the black figure and I smelt that, and
in my mind, I guess, I don't know what I
was thinking, but I carry a gun, you know, even
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when I'm moving around, and what I carry a pistol.
I hope, like I said, I got all kind of
critters out here, snakes, And so I hurried up and
got into the house and Dad goes, what the heck's
are wrong with you? You crazy?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And I say, no, I think there's a bear out there.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
He said, I, you know, show me. So I helped
him to the door and he stand. He's like, I said,
you just leave him alone, he'll leave you. Then he's
just to watch and he said, he just watched me.
He'sai okay, and I'm like, uh, you mean and he's like, yeah,
it's fine. But it would stand there and watch me
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go down, and I put him to and it'd be
there for a while and then officially it would move away.
And it's probably I came membery three or four months
into me doing that again, I put down to bed
and it was like later, it's after three in the morning.
With the screams. I hear these outrageous screams, like it's
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like an elephant trumpeting. I mean, like the growls and
the screams that vibrated and literally vibrated the house. So
I'm jumping up now. I have a three eighty. It's
a British infield, you know, not three. I have the
British Infield three h three and I got this is
a nineteen seventeen old army rifle. It's another hand me
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down so I can blow up the mother block if
I want to. And yes I am a good shot.
But I set it at the door and when I
came out, instead of picking it up like a dummy
or even the shotgun, I just came on out because
I hear it and I don't, you know, when you're
just kind of addled and you don't thinking straight. And
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I came out. I'm in barefooted in my nightgown. Nobody knows.
There's no one here. Dad can't walk. And I just
came out, and we had moved. When I moved out,
he had one people left.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I moved her. She's probably about four hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Sow hall now, so her pen is tall because she's
when she stood up, she's way bigger than me, and
she's taller. But that screaming went down and it went through.
I walked down. When I get down to the hogpin,
then there's a creek and I have a big bridge
I have to go over because I'm backing against the wood,
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so I have a way to travel down. But it
had went stepped over. Now stepped over this sight of
this hog pin and into of course this hogpin is mud,
and stepped down and stepped down, and then it went
over the other side, went down, hit through the creek,
and then I had a chicken coop and it just
destroyed my chicken kne there's chickens flying. I mean, it's
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just splintered. So I'm stand there like a big dummy.
And I'm like you if that's where basically said to myself,
you big dummy, nobody knows you're out here, and they're
just you don't get that heck back to the house.
So I went back, and then God had when I
moved in, he had this real old dog, the old Jake.
He was a bull mass and pit booll mix, so
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he's a big dog. Be he was old. And I
stood in the door and then I heard Jake scream
and let me tell you, that was enoughing, because there's
instinct you want to go help you, and I couldn't.
I could not go. There's like something physically stopped me
from going out that door. I could not do it.
And I could hear him screaming, and I could hear
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the screams from the creature, you know, I can hear it.
But when you get to the end of my road
there you go down the road. Of course, like I said,
I'm in the deep country now. Probably about two miles
down the road. There's an old lady that lived there.
She had little dogs, and she called the cops because
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it got her dogs. And then the cops comes out
and he's telling me, oh, it's just a coyote. You're
hearing the coyoting. Okay, whatever you say. You know, I
know it's not a coyoting. But that thing traveled and
though they're six miles up, and it went back into
where this the woods is that I told you about
that they're logging out.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Now that's where he ended up out.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It didn't physically attack me, but the screams was enough
to make pea pants.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
So I never figured out really whether it was Dad's
watcher or whether it was a different one, because the
next night Dad's was back and there was no violence,
there was no carrying on. However, I did find that
his dog was still alive. That it was it through
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the pine quarters. These massive teeth went through him, like
through his hindquarters and his like his private areas, and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I do not know how the dog was like it.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Oh yeah it was. This was a massive coyote. But
who ben, I don't want to see that sucker, let
me tell you. Yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That was one time that you know then what you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Just yeah, I've heard before that these things, the watchers
as you call them, they don't like dogs at all.
And then I've heard stories of people saying they've seen
them with dogs and with Cody's. I don't have an
opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yes I do, because the coyotes travel with them. They usoom,
they hunt. You'll hear the coyotes before you hear their screams.
I've seen them. I'm not sure. Like I said that,
I don't know what set it off. I don't know
what made it mad. Something happened somewhere that caused that
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violence to happen, and whether the dog ran and it's mad,
you know, it's like, well, it's like, you know, I
have a temper. You know, I get hissed off and
I have a temper, So God help the one that
gets in front of me, you know, to let me go.
So I don't know if that was the case of that,
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you know, it being mad and in the way, it
didn't hurt the hog and it just must a chicken
coop apart. But it's like wherever the dogs came out,
you know, this is a big dog. She had little dogs,
so you can imagine this big dog was shut in
like a rag doll and he's.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Heart severely. So again I don't but I do.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
With the coyote thing, you'll hear the coyotes and then
you'll hear them. There's also we also have the legend
of the dog Men. You know, how the dog men
was created and why it was created?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Did Shaune have a story about that.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Way back the way that this was told to me
way back you know, like the early eighteen hundreds or whatever,
or maybe we had some shaman here like the medicineman,
and they were doing some bad stuff and they were
using the watchers. So some of the watchers had turned
bad and they was like coming and taking the children
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and the women or whatever. So the good ones got
together and they were going to have to do a
battle with them to drive them back in. You know,
I want to go into the whole thing. But anyway,
and that's when the dog men went created to fight
beside the warriors for you know, now I have a
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theory and never whether they were turned into like the
dog creatures or whether those warriors were just because we
also I still do it. You know, I can go
out in the woods, I dig herbs. There's a lot
of things that you can that's natural that can be
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used for to alter personalities or whatever however you want said,
So I kind of I never seen a dog man
type of thing. I've never seen that until October last year.
I did a long hike. There's another girl I was
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hiking with and she wanted to show me a new area.
And I'm still still judging, you know, trying to figure
it out myself. We did like a six mile hike
back deep into the woods and it was coming out.
It's getting dark, and we still have about a mile
to get back up to the car. As we was
coming down the trail, it was a pretty wide trail
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and it was around deer season, and as we was
coming down through, I looked ahead of us and I
seen a black figure in the trail ahead of us.
First I thought it was a big turkey, you know,
as it was far away, and I asked herself, what
is that and she's like, oh, no, it's like it's
a turkey. And then she's like, I don't know. It
kind of looks like a dog head. And then she's like, oh,
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I hope somebody didn't throw a dog out. You know.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I hate it. But it was just it was tracking back.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
And forth, and just tracking back and forth and back
and forth, and so we just kept going. There was
three of us, and then the third girl finally she
finally she's like, what is that? I don't know, but
we got to pass it. Whatever it is, we can't
get out without going that way. And there's a big
dough jumped off to the right and it took up
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through the woods. And again, you know, like I said,
we're just going farther and farther, and the farther we went,
the bigger this thing got and I'm looking had like
a head of a German shepherd and it's and then
I thought, well, maybe somebody's playing with a dog with
a ball, you know, throwing it making the dog jump up.
You're trying to rationalize in your head, you know, what
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is this thing? And I carry my pistol, I have
a pouch I carry, and because I walk with a
I'm getting older, so I will you know, like the
staff I walk with back and it's pretty good size.
So the other girl she's looking around, she's looking for
a stick. She's like, I don't know who's getting concerned too,
And finally she finds this stick. So, you know, and
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I've done pull my bag around and I carry an
extra clip. You know, I've done reach down into I
got my hand on it. I got my hand on
the safety because I'm going to flip it. And we
just kept going. But the farther we went, the bigger
that thing god. And then finally we were fairly close
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to it. But everything went silent. There was no bugs,
there was no frogs, there was you know, all everything
just went. And you know when you get that feeling,
like every hair on the back of your neck comes
up and you're like.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You're on guards. And by this time, I've done flip
my safety.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
You know, I've got it. I got it in the bag,
but got my hand on it, and it stood up.
And when it stood up, it came up on two
legs and it was the size of a man. You know,
it was big. So I'm like, steal my mind. I'm thinking, well,
maybe you know it's this is a big german shepherd
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or you know, it's it's huge, whatever it is. But
maybe it's somebody in the woods and it's they're playing.
You know, you're trying, but again we can't get out.
We have to pass that spot to get to the car.
And we get there, you know, it went off to
the right into the which the way the deer went.
It went that way, and we get up there and
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you have to get to the parking lot. When we
get up there, the one girl she's like, I have
to pee. It's like, I get the heck in the car.
My key bob will not work. It's like this this
horror movie. You know you're trying. I didn't lock the
door by hand, And I'm like, you pay wherever you
want to pee. I don't care. I'm getting in for
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so to this day, I don't you know, I've heard
the legend of how they were made and why they were.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Made, but now you said they were created and forgive me,
but I mean created by who?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Created by what?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Is?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
The legend says that the Shawnee medicine men they made
these dog men things to Okay, So that's what I'm saying.
In my mind, I try to rationalize things, and I
you know, with legends and the old stories, you kind
of have to pick them apart. And I'm thinking, did
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they give them something that made them more fierce to
fight harder? Shawnny warriors are very fierce warriors, and there
was also in this area there was a women's sect
that was warriors. It's just women and the old thing
was pray to God and men get you, not the women,
because you don't want them to. They were that bad.
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So that had taken me before he died, when he
could still walk. There's a cave here. I actually do
gifting in a cave system.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I do gifting in those caves.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Stay tuned for more. But the big Foot report, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
They all intertwined to go underground and you can actually
end up bounding to the river if you can follow
those and that's you know, basically they stay in those caves.
But he had taken me to the interest of this
one place and he there's a buggy axle, an iron
buggy axle that's driven at the interests to that cave,
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and he is you know, this is some things he
told me you have to do because that's where they
were driven into there so that the bad can't come
back out. Of course, like I said, you're dealing with
old wars and legends, country superstition, whatever, So I can't
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tell you that all of that is true. I'm not
gonna I'm just telling you the story. Yeah, But you know,
the thing about the dog man, I never I heard it.
I never saw anything like that until October, and it
wasn't even around here. This was a whole different area
that was not here that I saw different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Now when when you when I asked you the question
and you said Shawnee medicine man, Alan asked the question
that was on the tip of my tongue, and apparently
half the audience in here is asking the same question.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But would that be a skin walker or is that something?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Skin Walkers are different? Skin walker a skin walker, It's
like shape shifter again. Skin walkers is a touchy situation
or a touchy subject. That's what you are, sings on
the Native American I some will not answer that or
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speak that at all, because there's certain rituals and certain
things you carry to protect yourself from that. Funny you
should say that because I just last weekend. I have
two other they're my first cousin, so they're Shawnee, and
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we actually did a little thing. We went out and
the one the one lady is older, she's older than
I am, so she does she does the drumming and
the singing, and within five minutes of her starting, we
started hearing something new and in gorgeous because we were
out in the woods, and she freaked out. I'm a
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little more. She's not as witsy as I am, and
so she's like, that's the first thing she said. She's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You think it's like, no, Okay, we probably before we
get to the questions. I mean, we still got twenty minutes.
But it seems like you are very detailed in your storytelling,
and we love that. So we're probably gonna have to
end up getting you back. I don't think anybody's gonna
be disappointed with that.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Do you have a story from either your dad or
your grandmother? Okay, I know you said you had heard
stories from them. Which one from either one of them
you pick just stands out to you the most?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Their first my dad's first experience, I guess because I
asked him. You know, I was six and he was
younger than I was. Because, like I said, he I
think I sent you a picture maybe of Dad setting
on the old cabin porch that's.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Where he grew up at I don't know, he was little,
maybe three or four.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Uh, there's no bathroom, you know, this is an old
country cabin, so they had to go outside to go
to the bathroom and his mom had taken him out.
She's one of three, mom to go to the bathroom
to carry him out. Of course, he just goes over
to the edge of these the woods. Yeah, that's it.
That's for my dad. Thro the guy in the middle,
that's my daddy. Lit a little black haired guy. That's
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my day. Anywhere he had she had taken him out,
and he said he'd went over to set down, and
this huge black figure stood up over talk of him,
and of course, you know, scared, you though, was the
first time he actually saw one. But his mom just
walks over. He called her ma'am. He didn't call her mom,
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he called her mam. He said, ma'am walked over and
said she just picked me up and stood in front
of this huge figure and told him, you know, my baby,
my baby, and she put her hand up and she
said it turned and walked away. And I'm thinking, you know,
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I was six and I was with my dad, so
I feel that would protect me over anything. But I'm
thinking this is him in this is deep woods where
their cat cabin sat is in the deep woods. There's
no other houses around, there's no other cab around, and
so and he's like no man would go. She liked
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green onions, you know, wild green onions, because she picked
the shoppy leattue the greens you go out pick them
and cook them. But she liked the green onions. And
there was a patch and he said, man would be
sating on one side that patch of green onions getting them,
and he's like, on the other side, the watcher will
be setting and hit the onions too. So it was
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to him he was comfortable. But again he was, you know,
always to be very cautious. I've had over my lifetime
numerous I mean never, like I said, it's a couple
of times that it never attacked me that night. I
did get a hit by a flying cooler last year
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and that was my fault. I blame him.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You got hit by a cooler.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Well, like I said, I died for the mic for
the night Stopper at times, and they came and they
were doing the calls. They do, the colity calls. They
wore calls, they put out the calls. They to have
a different while me, I played flute music and I
drum very calm everything and I do gifting and everything
I do is very calm because I actually can sense
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their kind of like a fill kind of thing. I
feel them, they feel me, and we'll go into that
because I don't have time. But this night he had
been doing calls and then he messaged me, he said,
would you mind to walk outside s if you could
hear our calls. Well, I came in from work, so
I got skirret on. I did change my shoes. I
had tennis shoes on. And it was probably maybe eleven
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thirty at night. And once I leave my barns, I'm
in pitch black, you know, it's I'm in the woods.
It's dark, and I just walked out by myself, again
being stupid, had the phone, didn't have gun. And I
get up there and I hear the screams coming through
the woods and you see these trees, not little trees,
but the trees are, you know, coming apart, and I
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can hear through the brush and whatever. I have a
greenhouse back there, and I had my tillers back there,
and I have but you know, when you're working, the
buckets and different things were put the plants in. I
had one of those.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Little red igloo coolers that was sating there.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I had sitting back against the trail I put pop
and water in it, you know, and all of a sudden,
here that thing comes flying out there like a missile
and it got me right here, and I went down
like a saco potatoes. I mean it was like food.
I'm on the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Ground and empty cooler.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
An empty cooler. I don't know. The VID was off,
so whatever was in it just went flying that I
got hit with. I mean it was just one of.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
The small ones, but the force of it was like,
you know, I had a bruise, literally like this big
right here.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
And so I'm on the ground and I'm thinking, crap,
I'm crude, you know what. You know, I'm in pitch dark.
I don't have nothing, and this this is the I
call him the old grandfather because he's white. You know,
his fur is white. It's huge. You I had four
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toes last year. He has three now. But as he
came down out of there, there's a smaller. It's he's
tan color. He's younger, and he's smaller. He comes this
way and they met, and that's that's how I got up,
because once they were there squabbling, that was my chance
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to get up. And I got back to the barn
where I keep a pump shot gun head in the
barn for coyotes and snakes or whatever. And yeah, so
I just I started to pull the shot down, and
I thought, you stupid, get that heck to the house
because my house is all the.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Way down by the road now.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
And I just very I lived myself here. I get
in the house and then I messaged Mike. Ye know
what messages me back. So the next day he goes, oh,
I went to bed. I'm all freaking healed your ass.
But he's like, I thought about it, you know, But
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I think it was the calls though.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
The calls made it mad.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
They were they're being disrupted from their home area this year.
So this isn't a CLIPf normally stay but with all
this log and these timbers, these trees is two hundred
years old, they've not been cut, and they're bringing them down.
It's it's so they're driving not only them, the bobcats.
Like I said, I got bobcats coming in the barn.
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They've got bears because everything is coming out of those woods.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
And I think that was what it was.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
They were already mad because they're being disrupted and then
they hear these calls from him and they're thinking they've
got others trying to come into this. They're in this
territory now, somebody else is trying to invade them. Got
somebody else trying to break in your door? So I
was just the unlucky person that happened to be in between.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, so I wondered.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I've wondered in the past if how I'm sure it does,
but how much call blasting pisses them off?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Oh, they don't like it, That's what I told them.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
The more agitated they get, you I can.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
I know it probably sounds crazy or whatever, that I've
been interacting them with them since as a child. I
feel their emotions when they get I know their voice.
It's like, you know, I talk to you and I
hear your voice. So if we were in a crowd,
I hear your voice a couple of times, I'm gonna
be all to pick you out of that crowd. If
I know your voice. That's how I know them. I
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know their voice. I know their calls. So uh, I know,
like the electrical hum type thing. It's like a giant
electric warp, you know, I hear that. But I feel
their agitation, you know, I can feel it. And when
they do those calls because I do. I go out.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Well, I think they're coming back at.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
The end of the month actually because it was here
over the world day. But I mean, I know other
people do it too. Yeah, but it's an agitation. It's
like you got you got your dog in your yard, right,
and then somebody comes through with another dog. That dog's
barking and growling and yapping. Your dog's here, then they're
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you know, it stirs them up. So it's the same basis,
It does the same Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And yeah, I mean I know it has to has
to really tick them off and get them going times.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
All right, we are right here at.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That fifty minute mark, so let's jump into some audience questions.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
We have quite a few. Try to get through these.
First one from my.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Good buddy t Roy. Can you tell us what their
faces and bodies look like?
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Well, uh, of course they're big. I've seen different. You
have the ban with their face is like their their fur,
their hair or whatever. But in here it's like you
know how you have your face shape, It's smooth, Yeah,
leathery comes around almost yeah, and then that the palms
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of the hands are smooth, the palms of feet, the
feet are smooth. So I've seen different color eyes. They
have different color eyes, So.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I mean I said, they're like us. They all kind
of look different.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah. See, I class summer. For the first time I
saw a young female and she had more defined unless
human like you know. It wasn't as because you know,
they're big and burly and you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
But she was smaller, smaller statute, and.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Her facial features was more more accumulate, more defined. And
that was the first time I seen that that that
was something new. So I'm like, I'm not it's not
something that I see in this area.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
She looked different.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Okay, all right, Next one to get mister Ristol.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
What part of Ohio did this all this take place.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I don't give locations, and you probably know why, but
can can you tell us like central North, I'm in
south south South Ohio.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Okay, that's good enough. We didn't. I wouldn't looking for
your address or anything.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I know, I know, I well, you understand. I'm sure
you understand.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I definitely understand. Net Hensley.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Did you take I guess have you ever taken any pictures?
Speaker 5 (44:07):
I have footprints, I have castings, I have as far
as pictures.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
I do have drill cams, and I do have.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
I have one.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It doesn't actually it's like a leg, you know, like
the hair.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
But as far as getting pictures, your batteries will go dead. Uh,
there's always that interference. They can I don't. I'm not
sure how I can't. I'm not scientific, so I don't
know why that looks like that. But I do know
that they will interfere with your electronics in a big way.
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So I've never a clear picture, No I have. I
have one where my trail camp picked up.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Stay tuned for more. But the big Foot report, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Up on the side of the bank. And I've showed
it to different people. I'm not sure, you know. I
look at there's my land. Nobody is private. I don't
allow hunting. I have trail camps to make sure nobody
trespasses because I have a lot of very high dollar
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routes that I grow here that I sell, so I
have a pretty good security system that way.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, I find it very refreshing, Donna, that that was
your answer, because I can't tell you how much it
pisses me off to have somebody to eat somebody on
that in a situation like yours, a possible habituation situation,
and you ask them about pictures. Oh, I got tons
of pictures, tons of pictures, send them to you, and
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it's just a bunch of red circles and tree line,
just paradoia crap. And for you to say you can't
get a clear picture. So no, I don't I respect that.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
No, it's I'm not. As far as recordings, I do
have some vocal. I have vocal. That's what goes all
go back to the old cassette players.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
She's a little cassette in Yeah, I think I found
one the other day is from like nineteen ninety four.
It's kind of grainy and you got that the old
time get before you got, you know, a thing from
when I was a kid. I have more recent vocals.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Okay, so yeah, maybe if you come back, we can
play some of those.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Mike has she said, you know he's going to be
on on Saturday. Mike has some really good vocals that
is from this area. I'm like, yes, I have all
of his audio clubs actually already uploaded onto stream yards.
So yeah, yeah, they're there. Yeah. So the one I
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was actually well, like I said. Last summer, he had
an experience where one stepped out of the tree line
close to him. I was with him. He was very surprised.
I love Mike. He is he's a super nice guy,
and he's he has a lot a lot of material,
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and he's been at it for a long time and
he's had some very interesting experiences here Again, he's call
blasting got him into some issues where he kind of
got chased. So I try, I go for the more
calm and I'll go back to I have a like
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a caught back there. I'm not afraid. I'll go back there.
I can lay down and go to sleep. I'm not
and I have when I as a kid, I actually
fell asleep in the creek and my grandma used to
braid my hair. Over my hair and she put the
ribbons in. Of course, as soon as I hit the woods,
I take them out, you know. So I got in
the creek, it down, I laid them on the rock
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and I kind of fell asleep. I had a little
waterfalls and I had a book. I was like twelve,
and when I woke up, I get in trouble with
my grandma because you know, it wasn't that I would
take my hair down because I get a couple of
bars in it, you know. But I look those are gone,
and I'm thinking, crap, I'm gonna get a switch in,
you know, because I thought, well, my brother slept down.
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They're messing with me.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
I was going up to where the creek west's a
cedar grove and I seen those ribbons moving going up
through them trees, and I'm like, first I'm thinking, you know,
I'm thinking it was my brother. But then I seen
the dark figure and he top my ribbons. The next
day because I go back on that rock for my
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ribbons from he left me an arrow straightener and some
shells and some colored stones, so that was gonna give back.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Wow, all right, very cool?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Uh Alan Do they seem to stay around through all
four seasons?
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Yes, they do. They stay in more in the winter
of course. In the summertime there's you know, they don't
just eat meat. They get their fruits and berries and uh,
my little creek there's got like tunnels and uh crawdads
and you know minnos, so they get there. So yeah,
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but they are here all year.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
They don't disappear. They're here underground.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's a really good, good question. All right, Uh n
W Native Tracker? What color was their skin? Gray, charcoal, tan, sunburn?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Looking?
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Uh? On the one the face is more like a
black dark, but then it kind of goes with the coloring,
just like I said, do you have the black for
the brown furs like a reddish brown that tan, they
have the white. So it's like the eye colors are
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different because I've seen I've seen blue eyes, I've seen
the black, the dark eyes. I've seen the like orangish red.
So they have different I guess the way I guess
it's like us. You know, there's different study.
Speaker 7 (50:35):
So the okay, yeah, the n W Native Tracker has
a kind of a follow up or another question, Uh,
what shape are their heads?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Now that's a funny thing because the one, the female
I've seen last year, it's more defined like a human head.
And I've seen the old not a group, not not
a real gorilla head, but more primitive. Honestly, I think
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I think it's in the genetics and the older ones,
because like the one that was with dad, my dad
would be over one hundred years old now, and that
one that was with him was old as he was
or older to kind of grow with you. So he's old.
But the younger ones, it's like they're it's kind of
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I guess, kind of like they're kind of evolving maybe
so that they're changing a little bit.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
You still have that primitive look.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
What about we hear reports of the cone head.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I never seem like a cone head, you know, like
you know, like coconut like type thing or uh, they're
more rounder, but they do have a little bit of them.
I've seen that little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
We got two more to get through here. First one, Troy,
have you found any prints? Have you ever found a
seabum on the windows, the greasy substance that sometimes left
in their prints on glass.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Well, I sent you some prints that I took out
the creek, I think, and uh as far when I
moved down here and did my house here, on the
front of the screen, it was mud. It had its
hand in the mud, and it left that handprint like
it was spent down looking in and it left that
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on the front, which it would be. I never washed
it off. It left here until finally the rain washed
it off. Did taste a pictures. I'll tell you what
I help you find is the pea like when are
having their little ones there, they mark their territory. They pee,
and I can tell you that pee is like uh
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syropi and it smells horrible that I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
I can imagine. And you know, you're not the first
one that.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I've ever heard that from our last one, long one
from Alan. It's what their home base looks like. You
have any thoughts on shelter caves, et cetera. Everyone talks
about seeing them going around peeking into windows and throwing poop.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Oh well, I've never had poop though at me, I've
had acorns and little rocks, kind of like kids franking.
They will look in the windows. Yep, they do.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
As far as the caves, like I said, we're on
top of a big cave system here, so they used
to caves moving them. Of course, inside there's caves. You know,
there's water in there, there's springs in there. There's even
vegetation that will growing there and different things.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
So yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. That seems
to be a pretty hot topic and if they use
the cave systems or not, but I most definitely think
that they do.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
All Right, Donna, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
This this has been awesome, and I think everyone in
the audience agrees that we're gonna have to have you
back because I know you have some more steps to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
Oh, I have quite a few. Like I said, I'm
an old country person. I've ran there and I still
run through the hills. I have a camp site. I
go up. I bet I've been camping. I will go
up and camp in a tent, but with a little
more activity. I've decided I'm putting in an old time
low cabin. I'm just cutting my.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Own trees from my own property and put it in
that way.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
Too. So I did. Actually Mike had came up with
the ideas like what you should do is get like
the two way glass where you can see out and
they can't see in. So I think I'm going to
do that at least in one window. It's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
That is a good idea. All right.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, I will be in touch with you sometime, probably tomorrow,
to see if we can set up a time. I'd
love to get you back on a Saturday night, because yes,
Saturday nights, that's our after hours, and we go longer.
We can go longer than an hour. So if you're
not if you're not opposed to staying up a little
bit later. We go live at ten o'clock on Saturdays.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Oh that's fine. I'm I'm usually home. I care for
some family members. I'm a caretaker. That's part of my
heritage too, that's my responsibility, and I take that very seriously.
So I'm home of evening, and.
Speaker 4 (55:56):
I'm sure you're gonna have a great time with Mike.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
He's fun.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, we talked, you know, we talked yesterday and I
was reminded him.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
By the show Saturday, and he's a hoop.
Speaker 5 (56:08):
He's just really the kindest person.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
He is.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
I actually put my link to him, said, hey, I'm
going to do this show. He didn't tell me. He's
not feeling good right now. His very good match stores
a few months ago. He shaved his downs well in
today's birthday.
Speaker 8 (56:25):
So well, yes, all right, all right again, Donna, thank
you so much, ma'am, had a great time, looking forward
to the next one, and enjoy the rest of your evening.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
You too, and anytime, and thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
By.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Hey, everybody, thank you so much for checking out this
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We thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (58:03):
Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day, weekfoots call on the whispering breathe, Secrets
kept by ancient dreams. Dog Man House beneath the moon
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echoes in the silent dune tracks. We fine, but answers none.
A hunt for truth, that's just begune. We're searching past
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the fire light. Four creatures hidden out of sight in
the forest where shadows lay seeking. See Chrits in the
twilight through the fog, A shaped did gly skin walker
(59:18):
with eyes so wide, legends of Oh, we chase to
night in the dark. Our lanterns bright by the creek,
quil water spill whispers rye, the windsow chill fullest, deep
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man tails.
Speaker 5 (59:43):
On toll.
Speaker 6 (59:45):
In this land, the myths of old. We're searching.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
That's the fire light.
Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Full creatures hidden out of sight in the forest, hart
where shadows lay seeking. See Chriss in the twilight break
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you are going to surprise them. You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening here, a support hold for those who have
had their own encounters with that which is not supposed
to exist.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Hey, what's up? Everybody's waying? Welcome back to the Bigfoot Report.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We had a chance to sit down with Mss Donna
from Ohio a couple of months ago, Miss Tiffany and
I did and had just a fantasm to talk with her.
Just so much really really cool stuff. And we're going
to be having her back because she has a lot
to share. She comes from a Native American background and
just a really good storyteller. I did want to jump
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on here and let you guys know that she does
keep parakeets, so they are pretty vocal, as I'm sure
most of you know, and at times you can hear them.
Doesn't take anything away from the interview or the sound
or anything. Just wanted to let you guys know to
be mindful of that, all right. Other than that, the
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interview went off just fine. Had a really good time
talking to her. I know you guys are going to
enjoy y'all Sit back, relax, unless get started.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Pronounce your last name for me.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's Copus Copas, Okay, I don't remember if that's how
I did it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But he got pretty close.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You were pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Close, all right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Again, thank you so much for taking the time to
come and hang out with us this evening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Can we do with everyone?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We just want you to just take your time, get comfortable,
start at the beginning and tell us what exactly happened,
how old, where, and just just what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
They got you interested in this topic.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Well, like I said.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
My dad was a hunter and a trapper. He dug roots.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
He was born in nineteen twenty seven, actually in a
cabin back in the woods. When I say cabin, you know,
he's country. And I grew up on a big farm.
It's like three hundred acres and so I was six,
and my dad gave me whatever, you know, but the
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rule was you had to work for it.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So on this time there was a county fair in town.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I want to go to fair. So he's like, okay,
well I had to go dig roots. So he takes
me out and there's a big catch yellow root. People
call it gold and seal. We call it yeallow root.
And so if it's setting there, I wasn't digging a
whole lot of self gud was doing most of digging,
and then I just cleaned it. He break the tops
off and had two big feed sacks from the cows.
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You have big burl out feet sacks and the tops
flow in one bag and the roots going the other.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
That means sitting there doing that for quite a while.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And my diet chewed tobacco and he'd always take the
long green from the barn because we raised tobacco, and
he'd carry out and the top of his bibs. And
he got up from where he's digging. He walked over
with this big stump there. It was like when we
were digging. So he laid that tobacco on that stump.
And then he didn't call me Donna. He used to
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call me Donny or he called me Tooke. And he's like,
come on, do we're gonna go. And I was like,
you know, I'm grumbling because I don't want to leave on.
I'm thinking, ain't gonna go enough money, So I'm like,
black kid, dig my tone to dart, you know, And
it's like now, I said come on, And so I
got by the hand and he was walking away. As
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was walking away, I looked back behind me and this big,
huge black figure stood up from you know, not thirty
feet from where I had been set and it stood
up and it took that tobacco off that stump. And
of course now I'm scared because I'm yanking on that's hand.
These just kind of shook a little wit and he says, now,
(05:22):
just knock it off, you know, on skows and it's
all right, you leave him alone. He'll leave you then.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And this thing's eight foot tall.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I mean to me, it looked like a mountain because
it's so huge and I'm little, and so it walks
back up into the cliffs because we were pretty deep
in the woods. And but that I never really figured out.
That was God's way of start my education. And schefferd
he interacted with them too, and as much as his
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mother did you know, my grandmother, you know, they were
back in the country. So the cabge where dad grew
up gets sets under buzzy breast.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's a big conservancy and now it's just a big area.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, and Donna, real quick, let me interrupt you real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I don't think I mentioned that you come from Shawnee background. Yes,
your grandmother was full blooded, so that would have made
your dad half in your quarter so I know your
family has some stories and I would love to hear them.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Oh there's something. Well, I'm sixty two, I'm a little older.
I've been around a while and I've had I grew
up in the woods.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That was my from that farm.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I was a wild child. I was crazy, but I
hated school. So I told my dad was first grade.
I was like, you buy me a new phony. Died,
I go to school. We bought my phony. Three days
after got the phony, I ran off on the phone.
So I literally lived in It was I. I hated
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going to school. I hate it being inside. So I
spent my time about creek. You know. Yeah, I would
go there and I guess my next Really, I would
see them.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Dad taught me the markers, the stacked rocks, the exes,
the trees. Uh he calls them plan signs. If they
look like tep's are like the These aren't little teeny branches.
These are big sticks, you know, big almost not logs.
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But they are these things twenty five feet long, and
they make them look like a TEP and it's down.
And then the marker rocks. You know, God, you see
those those means that's their markers. This is their territory.
This is telling them it's safe here. This is where
you can get food out, you know. And this is
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a pacific group because there's there're in groups. They're not
you know, it's not sometimes you'll see a single one,
but that's rare. They're more in like a family group,
and they mark their areas. So he showed me that.
And the rule was you never touched those, you never
moved those. You respected that. And when I call them
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the I call them the watchers. I don't call them
bigfoot or satsofarage. They're the watchers because our Shawnee legend
says the first thing was that the moon eight people
came and they had children with the shawn the Shawnee
not meaning that the watchers had children with the Shawnee.
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The watchers were left behind to protect the children. I've
been asked, is this like the angels that came down
and had you know, the the giants and had children,
And yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Said, the moon eye people that's.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Actually have artifacts their stone heads. That's been passed down
for early eighteen hundreds. And my family has came from
generation generation because each generation, my very first grandfather came
here in seventeen. I get letters from seventeen ninety seven
and he married the first Shawnee woman there. I have
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heard her name was Lame Wolf, so, but he was
called red Bell because he had this big long He
was irish, said this big, huge long red Beard. And
he's actually buried by Wezardrews. So each generation our bloodline
is deeper because each generation we came down we had
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that Native American and I still do all the way
through the Shawnee. So our heritage, the old stories has
been handed down. I was the kid child ran in
the woods. I was a kid that had more pleasure
of setting in the rocket. Sure of my grandma stories
and it's like my brother's heading for the bar, you know,
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not have to drag them out.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, I was Homema.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I did a short episode a couple of years ago
on the Moon Eyed people.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I had never heard of them.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I just doing research, look for researching something to talk about,
trying to find something interesting to talk about, and I
ran across them and they were native to like my area,
like the North Georgia Mountains in that area that there's
even to this day on I can't think of Fort
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Mountain and l A J. There's like a statue a
tribute to the mooneyed people up there.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's really cool. I wasn't expecting to hear about that tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, I have these are little stoneheads. Like I said,
it's been pasted down. They're like a ceremonial type artifact
my dad. My dad passed away a few years ago,
and then they came to me and I haven't decided
which child will. I still have three children, but I
haven't decided whether that or a grandchild will get them there.
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They'll be held in trust until the appropriate person. You
kind of have to be chosen. It's not something that's
given freely. You have to prove yourself to get those.
Believe me, I worked really hard. I've followed a lot
of rules that I did not want to. But it's
and I still follow the old ways. I stopped the
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old ways, still follow the old way. I still hunt.
I do gifting, uh for the for the watchers, I
do gifting.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I make special applicates. It's homemade.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I have areas that I still go to that that
specifically told me this has to be done at this
time of year. Actually have a full moon coming tomorrow.
I think that I have to do a couple of
things then. But anyway, that's that's how I grew up,
and I grew up with them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Dad's rules was you can't be stupid. You know, you
respect them. Don't be stupid though, because I don't. Never
think that they can't be dangerous, because they can. Basically,
you leave them alone and respect them. But there's always
that robe, there's that chance there's a rogue there that
can be violent. I never a couple of times in
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my life, I've had a couple you know, not so
much violent directed towards me, but I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, can you talk about that? What do you mean
by you've you've seen it?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
What?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
What did you see? Violence?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Was?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Okay, Well, my dad, like I said, my dad was
eighty four. My mom got sick first, and I moved
her here with me, told me you fix the place,
move on you. Well, he didn't come. He stayed on
the farm, and then he had a stroke. And then
when I moved him, he was eighty four, and he
was in my house for a while, but I put
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him over a home right in my front yard, so
I could just walk out my door and into his
because I've used total care and for the last two
years it's life. I never left him. I just stayed
there continuously. And but within a month of my dad
being here, when I built my house, my bedroom because
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I love the woods. I still love the woods. I
still hang out in the woods. I do ten mile heikes,
you know. But I built my I put big plate
glass windows. My bedroom sets against the woods. So when
I owned that back there, so there's no one going
to be there looking at my window. So my windows
are you know, it was plate glass windows, and I
had the old time door. You know what that old
time screen door is. If my storm door is just scream, yeah,
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okay there, because I have a creek and I'm sitting
under the trees springs that feeds my house. I don't
have county water, I don't have city water. I have springs.
But I'd leave that bedroom door open in summertime because
that breeze comes. I didn't have that air condition. But
within a month, you know, I've been here, and the
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first night I smelt this horrible smell, which I should
have recognized from my childhood, because they do have different smells.
They have that horrible smell. The smells like septic blue up,
you know, like yurn and yuki, and then they have
that earthy leafy Sometimes it's even got like a honeysuck
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old mixed in with that earthy smell.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
But this night it was a bad smell. And again
I woke up.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
You know, it's like three in the morning, all wake
I was like, oh, for right, you know, you had
the freaking sceptic climb bust or what And I didn't
see nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh And finally the smell went away.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Stay tuned for more, but the big foot report, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And then the second night, again I saw the shadow.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I got this. You can imagine. My whole wall was glass,
and it had you know, like the window seal or
this window seat where you can set up in the window.
That's how it's shooted out, so I could set up
in there if I wanted to. And I saw the
dark shape there by that window. And again I'm thinking,
because we do we have coyotes, bears, by bobcats. It
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comes into my barn all kind of crap, and I thought,
is it a bear? You know, is there a bear?
Come down? And again it went away. But the third
night I closed my bedroom door. I did.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I was like, it's getting getting a little concerning.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The fourth night, when I went down, I got midnight
to put down to bed because he wouldn't go bed,
so he watched the news and he didn't walk very.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Good from the stroke, so I would have to help him.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
There's a whole routine and getting prepared for bed. And
when I came out at the corner. My house is
in little valley, and I'd left this big, huge cedar
tree for shade in the corner of my yard, and
I seen the black figure and I smelt that, and
in my mind, I guess, I don't know what I
was thinking, but I carry a gun, you know, even
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when I'm moving around, and what I carry a pistol.
I hope, like I said, I got all kind of
critters out here, snakes, And so I hurried up and
got into the house and Dad goes, what the heck's
are wrong with you? You crazy?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And I say, no, I think there's a bear out there.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
He said, I, you know, show me. So I helped
him to the door and he stand. He's like, I said,
you just leave him alone, he'll leave you. Then he's
just to watch and he said, he just watched me.
He'sai okay, and I'm like, uh, you mean and he's like, yeah,
it's fine. But it would stand there and watch me
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go down, and I put him to and it'd be
there for a while and then officially it would move away.
And it's probably I came membery three or four months
into me doing that again, I put down to bed
and it was like later, it's after three in the morning.
With the screams. I hear these outrageous screams, like it's
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like an elephant trumpeting. I mean, like the growls and
the screams that vibrated and literally vibrated the house. So
I'm jumping up now. I have a three eighty. It's
a British infield, you know, not three. I have the
British Infield three h three and I got this is
a nineteen seventeen old army rifle. It's another hand me
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down so I can blow up the mother block if
I want to. And yes I am a good shot.
But I set it at the door and when I
came out, instead of picking it up like a dummy
or even the shotgun, I just came on out because
I hear it and I don't, you know, when you're
just kind of addled and you don't thinking straight. And
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I came out. I'm in barefooted in my nightgown. Nobody knows.
There's no one here. Dad can't walk. And I just
came out, and we had moved. When I moved out,
he had one people left.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I moved her. She's probably about four hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Sow hall now, so her pen is tall because she's
when she stood up, she's way bigger than me, and
she's taller. But that screaming went down and it went through.
I walked down. When I get down to the hogpin,
then there's a creek and I have a big bridge
I have to go over because I'm backing against the wood,
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so I have a way to travel down. But it
had went stepped over. Now stepped over this sight of
this hog pin and into of course this hogpin is mud,
and stepped down and stepped down, and then it went
over the other side, went down, hit through the creek,
and then I had a chicken coop and it just
destroyed my chicken kne there's chickens flying. I mean, it's
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just splintered. So I'm stand there like a big dummy.
And I'm like you if that's where basically said to myself,
you big dummy, nobody knows you're out here, and they're
just you don't get that heck back to the house.
So I went back, and then God had when I
moved in, he had this real old dog, the old Jake.
He was a bull mass and pit booll mix, so
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he's a big dog. Be he was old. And I
stood in the door and then I heard Jake scream
and let me tell you, that was enoughing, because there's
instinct you want to go help you, and I couldn't.
I could not go. There's like something physically stopped me
from going out that door. I could not do it.
And I could hear him screaming, and I could hear
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the screams from the creature, you know, I can hear it.
But when you get to the end of my road
there you go down the road. Of course, like I said,
I'm in the deep country now. Probably about two miles
down the road. There's an old lady that lived there.
She had little dogs, and she called the cops because
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it got her dogs. And then the cops comes out
and he's telling me, oh, it's just a coyote. You're
hearing the coyoting. Okay, whatever you say. You know, I
know it's not a coyoting. But that thing traveled and
though they're six miles up, and it went back into
where this the woods is that I told you about
that they're logging out.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Now that's where he ended up out.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It didn't physically attack me, but the screams was enough
to make pea pants.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
So I never figured out really whether it was Dad's
watcher or whether it was a different one, because the
next night Dad's was back and there was no violence,
there was no carrying on. However, I did find that
his dog was still alive. That it was it through
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the pine quarters. These massive teeth went through him, like
through his hindquarters and his like his private areas, and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I do not know how the dog was like it.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Oh yeah it was. This was a massive coyote. But
who ben, I don't want to see that sucker, let
me tell you. Yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
That was one time that you know then what you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Just yeah, I've heard before that these things, the watchers
as you call them, they don't like dogs at all.
And then I've heard stories of people saying they've seen
them with dogs and with Cody's. I don't have an
opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yes I do, because the coyotes travel with them. They usoom,
they hunt. You'll hear the coyotes before you hear their screams.
I've seen them. I'm not sure. Like I said that,
I don't know what set it off. I don't know
what made it mad. Something happened somewhere that caused that
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violence to happen, and whether the dog ran and it's mad,
you know, it's like, well, it's like, you know, I
have a temper. You know, I get hissed off and
I have a temper, So God help the one that
gets in front of me, you know, to let me go.
So I don't know if that was the case of that,
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you know, it being mad and in the way, it
didn't hurt the hog and it just must a chicken
coop apart. But it's like wherever the dogs came out,
you know, this is a big dog. She had little dogs,
so you can imagine this big dog was shut in
like a rag doll and he's.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Heart severely. So again I don't but I do.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
With the coyote thing, you'll hear the coyotes and then
you'll hear them. There's also we also have the legend
of the dog Men. You know, how the dog men
was created and why it was created?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Did Shaune have a story about that.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Way back the way that this was told to me
way back you know, like the early eighteen hundreds or whatever,
or maybe we had some shaman here like the medicineman,
and they were doing some bad stuff and they were
using the watchers. So some of the watchers had turned
bad and they was like coming and taking the children
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and the women or whatever. So the good ones got
together and they were going to have to do a
battle with them to drive them back in. You know,
I want to go into the whole thing. But anyway,
and that's when the dog men went created to fight
beside the warriors for you know, now I have a
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theory and never whether they were turned into like the
dog creatures or whether those warriors were just because we
also I still do it. You know, I can go
out in the woods, I dig herbs. There's a lot
of things that you can that's natural that can be
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used for to alter personalities or whatever however you want said,
So I kind of I never seen a dog man
type of thing. I've never seen that until October last year.
I did a long hike. There's another girl I was
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hiking with and she wanted to show me a new area.
And I'm still still judging, you know, trying to figure
it out myself. We did like a six mile hike
back deep into the woods and it was coming out.
It's getting dark, and we still have about a mile
to get back up to the car. As we was
coming down the trail, it was a pretty wide trail
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and it was around deer season, and as we was
coming down through, I looked ahead of us and I
seen a black figure in the trail ahead of us.
First I thought it was a big turkey, you know,
as it was far away, and I asked herself, what
is that and she's like, oh, no, it's like it's
a turkey. And then she's like, I don't know. It
kind of looks like a dog head. And then she's like, oh,
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I hope somebody didn't throw a dog out. You know.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I hate it. But it was just it was tracking back.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
And forth, and just tracking back and forth and back
and forth, and so we just kept going. There was
three of us, and then the third girl finally she
finally she's like, what is that? I don't know, but
we got to pass it. Whatever it is, we can't
get out without going that way. And there's a big
dough jumped off to the right and it took up
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through the woods. And again, you know, like I said,
we're just going farther and farther, and the farther we went,
the bigger this thing got and I'm looking had like
a head of a German shepherd and it's and then
I thought, well, maybe somebody's playing with a dog with
a ball, you know, throwing it making the dog jump up.
You're trying to rationalize in your head, you know, what
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is this thing? And I carry my pistol, I have
a pouch I carry, and because I walk with a
I'm getting older, so I will you know, like the
staff I walk with back and it's pretty good size.
So the other girl she's looking around, she's looking for
a stick. She's like, I don't know who's getting concerned too,
And finally she finds this stick. So, you know, and
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I've done pull my bag around and I carry an
extra clip. You know, I've done reach down into I
got my hand on it. I got my hand on
the safety because I'm going to flip it. And we
just kept going. But the farther we went, the bigger
that thing god. And then finally we were fairly close
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to it. But everything went silent. There was no bugs,
there was no frogs, there was you know, all everything
just went. And you know when you get that feeling,
like every hair on the back of your neck comes
up and you're like.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You're on guards. And by this time, I've done flip
my safety.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
You know, I've got it. I got it in the bag,
but got my hand on it, and it stood up.
And when it stood up, it came up on two
legs and it was the size of a man. You know,
it was big. So I'm like, steal my mind. I'm thinking, well,
maybe you know it's this is a big german shepherd
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or you know, it's it's huge, whatever it is. But
maybe it's somebody in the woods and it's they're playing.
You know, you're trying, but again we can't get out.
We have to pass that spot to get to the car.
And we get there, you know, it went off to
the right into the which the way the deer went.
It went that way, and we get up there and
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you have to get to the parking lot. When we
get up there, the one girl she's like, I have
to pee. It's like, I get the heck in the car.
My key bob will not work. It's like this this
horror movie. You know you're trying. I didn't lock the
door by hand, And I'm like, you pay wherever you
want to pee. I don't care. I'm getting in for
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so to this day, I don't you know, I've heard
the legend of how they were made and why they were.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Made, but now you said they were created and forgive me,
but I mean created by who?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Created by what?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Is?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
The legend says that the Shawnee medicine men they made
these dog men things to Okay, So that's what I'm saying.
In my mind, I try to rationalize things, and I
you know, with legends and the old stories, you kind
of have to pick them apart. And I'm thinking, did
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they give them something that made them more fierce to
fight harder? Shawnny warriors are very fierce warriors, and there
was also in this area there was a women's sect
that was warriors. It's just women and the old thing
was pray to God and men get you, not the women,
because you don't want them to. They were that bad.
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So that had taken me before he died, when he
could still walk. There's a cave here. I actually do
gifting in a cave system.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I do gifting in those caves.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Stay tuned for more. But the big Foot report, We'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
They all intertwined to go underground and you can actually
end up bounding to the river if you can follow
those and that's you know, basically they stay in those caves.
But he had taken me to the interest of this
one place and he there's a buggy axle, an iron
buggy axle that's driven at the interests to that cave,
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and he is you know, this is some things he
told me you have to do because that's where they
were driven into there so that the bad can't come
back out. Of course, like I said, you're dealing with
old wars and legends, country superstition, whatever, So I can't
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tell you that all of that is true. I'm not
gonna I'm just telling you the story. Yeah, But you know,
the thing about the dog man, I never I heard it.
I never saw anything like that until October, and it
wasn't even around here. This was a whole different area
that was not here that I saw different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Now when when you when I asked you the question
and you said Shawnee medicine man, Alan asked the question
that was on the tip of my tongue, and apparently
half the audience in here is asking the same question.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But would that be a skin walker or is that something?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Skin Walkers are different? Skin walker a skin walker, It's
like shape shifter again. Skin walkers is a touchy situation
or a touchy subject. That's what you are, sings on
the Native American I some will not answer that or
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speak that at all, because there's certain rituals and certain
things you carry to protect yourself from that. Funny you
should say that because I just last weekend. I have
two other they're my first cousin, so they're Shawnee, and
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we actually did a little thing. We went out and
the one the one lady is older, she's older than
I am, so she does she does the drumming and
the singing, and within five minutes of her starting, we
started hearing something new and in gorgeous because we were
out in the woods, and she freaked out. I'm a
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little more. She's not as witsy as I am, and
so she's like, that's the first thing she said. She's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You think it's like, no, Okay, we probably before we
get to the questions. I mean, we still got twenty minutes.
But it seems like you are very detailed in your storytelling,
and we love that. So we're probably gonna have to
end up getting you back. I don't think anybody's gonna
be disappointed with that.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Do you have a story from either your dad or
your grandmother? Okay, I know you said you had heard
stories from them. Which one from either one of them
you pick just stands out to you the most?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Their first my dad's first experience, I guess because I
asked him. You know, I was six and he was
younger than I was. Because, like I said, he I
think I sent you a picture maybe of Dad setting
on the old cabin porch that's.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Where he grew up at I don't know, he was little,
maybe three or four.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Uh, there's no bathroom, you know, this is an old
country cabin, so they had to go outside to go
to the bathroom and his mom had taken him out.
She's one of three, mom to go to the bathroom
to carry him out. Of course, he just goes over
to the edge of these the woods. Yeah, that's it.
That's for my dad. Thro the guy in the middle,
that's my daddy. Lit a little black haired guy. That's
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my day. Anywhere he had she had taken him out,
and he said he'd went over to set down, and
this huge black figure stood up over talk of him,
and of course, you know, scared, you though, was the
first time he actually saw one. But his mom just
walks over. He called her ma'am. He didn't call her mom,
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he called her mam. He said, ma'am walked over and
said she just picked me up and stood in front
of this huge figure and told him, you know, my baby,
my baby, and she put her hand up and she
said it turned and walked away. And I'm thinking, you know,
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I was six and I was with my dad, so
I feel that would protect me over anything. But I'm
thinking this is him in this is deep woods where
their cat cabin sat is in the deep woods. There's
no other houses around, there's no other cab around, and
so and he's like no man would go. She liked
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green onions, you know, wild green onions, because she picked
the shoppy leattue the greens you go out pick them
and cook them. But she liked the green onions. And
there was a patch and he said, man would be
sating on one side that patch of green onions getting them,
and he's like, on the other side, the watcher will
be setting and hit the onions too. So it was
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to him he was comfortable. But again he was, you know,
always to be very cautious. I've had over my lifetime
numerous I mean never, like I said, it's a couple
of times that it never attacked me that night. I
did get a hit by a flying cooler last year
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and that was my fault. I blame him.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
You got hit by a cooler.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Well, like I said, I died for the mic for
the night Stopper at times, and they came and they
were doing the calls. They do, the colity calls. They
wore calls, they put out the calls. They to have
a different while me, I played flute music and I
drum very calm everything and I do gifting and everything
I do is very calm because I actually can sense
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their kind of like a fill kind of thing. I
feel them, they feel me, and we'll go into that
because I don't have time. But this night he had
been doing calls and then he messaged me, he said,
would you mind to walk outside s if you could
hear our calls. Well, I came in from work, so
I got skirret on. I did change my shoes. I
had tennis shoes on. And it was probably maybe eleven
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thirty at night. And once I leave my barns, I'm
in pitch black, you know, it's I'm in the woods.
It's dark, and I just walked out by myself, again
being stupid, had the phone, didn't have gun. And I
get up there and I hear the screams coming through
the woods and you see these trees, not little trees,
but the trees are, you know, coming apart, and I
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can hear through the brush and whatever. I have a
greenhouse back there, and I had my tillers back there,
and I have but you know, when you're working, the
buckets and different things were put the plants in. I
had one of those.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Little red igloo coolers that was sating there.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I had sitting back against the trail I put pop
and water in it, you know, and all of a sudden,
here that thing comes flying out there like a missile
and it got me right here, and I went down
like a saco potatoes. I mean it was like food.
I'm on the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Ground and empty cooler.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
An empty cooler. I don't know. The VID was off,
so whatever was in it just went flying that I
got hit with. I mean it was just one of.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
The small ones, but the force of it was like,
you know, I had a bruise, literally like this big
right here.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
And so I'm on the ground and I'm thinking, crap,
I'm crude, you know what. You know, I'm in pitch dark.
I don't have nothing, and this this is the I
call him the old grandfather because he's white. You know,
his fur is white. It's huge. You I had four
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toes last year. He has three now. But as he
came down out of there, there's a smaller. It's he's
tan color. He's younger, and he's smaller. He comes this
way and they met, and that's that's how I got up,
because once they were there squabbling, that was my chance
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to get up. And I got back to the barn
where I keep a pump shot gun head in the
barn for coyotes and snakes or whatever. And yeah, so
I just I started to pull the shot down, and
I thought, you stupid, get that heck to the house
because my house is all the.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Way down by the road now.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
And I just very I lived myself here. I get
in the house and then I messaged Mike. Ye know
what messages me back. So the next day he goes, oh,
I went to bed. I'm all freaking healed your ass.
But he's like, I thought about it, you know, But
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I think it was the calls though.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
The calls made it mad.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
They were they're being disrupted from their home area this year.
So this isn't a CLIPf normally stay but with all
this log and these timbers, these trees is two hundred
years old, they've not been cut, and they're bringing them down.
It's it's so they're driving not only them, the bobcats.
Like I said, I got bobcats coming in the barn.
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They've got bears because everything is coming out of those woods.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
And I think that was what it was.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
They were already mad because they're being disrupted and then
they hear these calls from him and they're thinking they've
got others trying to come into this. They're in this
territory now, somebody else is trying to invade them. Got
somebody else trying to break in your door? So I
was just the unlucky person that happened to be in between.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, so I wondered.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I've wondered in the past if how I'm sure it does,
but how much call blasting pisses them off?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Oh, they don't like it, That's what I told them.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
The more agitated they get, you I can.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
I know it probably sounds crazy or whatever, that I've
been interacting them with them since as a child. I
feel their emotions when they get I know their voice.
It's like, you know, I talk to you and I
hear your voice. So if we were in a crowd,
I hear your voice a couple of times, I'm gonna
be all to pick you out of that crowd. If
I know your voice. That's how I know them. I
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know their voice. I know their calls. So uh, I know,
like the electrical hum type thing. It's like a giant
electric warp, you know, I hear that. But I feel
their agitation, you know, I can feel it. And when
they do those calls because I do. I go out.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Well, I think they're coming back at.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
The end of the month actually because it was here
over the world day. But I mean, I know other
people do it too. Yeah, but it's an agitation. It's
like you got you got your dog in your yard, right,
and then somebody comes through with another dog. That dog's
barking and growling and yapping. Your dog's here, then they're
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you know, it stirs them up. So it's the same basis,
It does the same Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And yeah, I mean I know it has to has
to really tick them off and get them going times.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
All right, we are right here at.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That fifty minute mark, so let's jump into some audience questions.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
We have quite a few. Try to get through these.
First one from my.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Good buddy t Roy. Can you tell us what their
faces and bodies look like?
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Well, uh, of course they're big. I've seen different. You
have the ban with their face is like their their fur,
their hair or whatever. But in here it's like you
know how you have your face shape, It's smooth, Yeah,
leathery comes around almost yeah, and then that the palms
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of the hands are smooth, the palms of feet, the
feet are smooth. So I've seen different color eyes. They
have different color eyes, So.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
I mean I said, they're like us. They all kind
of look different.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah. See, I class summer. For the first time I
saw a young female and she had more defined unless
human like you know. It wasn't as because you know,
they're big and burly and you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
But she was smaller, smaller statute, and.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Her facial features was more more accumulate, more defined. And
that was the first time I seen that that that
was something new. So I'm like, I'm not it's not
something that I see in this area.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
She looked different.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Okay, all right, Next one to get mister Ristol.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
What part of Ohio did this all this take place.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
I don't give locations, and you probably know why, but
can can you tell us like central North, I'm in
south south South Ohio.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Okay, that's good enough. We didn't. I wouldn't looking for
your address or anything.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I know, I know, I well, you understand. I'm sure
you understand.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
I definitely understand. Net Hensley.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Did you take I guess have you ever taken any pictures?
Speaker 5 (44:07):
I have footprints, I have castings, I have as far
as pictures.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
I do have drill cams, and I do have.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
I have one.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It doesn't actually it's like a leg, you know, like
the hair.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
But as far as getting pictures, your batteries will go dead. Uh,
there's always that interference. They can I don't. I'm not
sure how I can't. I'm not scientific, so I don't
know why that looks like that. But I do know
that they will interfere with your electronics in a big way.
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So I've never a clear picture, No I have. I
have one where my trail camp picked up.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Stay tuned for more. But the big Foot report, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Up on the side of the bank. And I've showed
it to different people. I'm not sure, you know. I
look at there's my land. Nobody is private. I don't
allow hunting. I have trail camps to make sure nobody
trespasses because I have a lot of very high dollar
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routes that I grow here that I sell, so I
have a pretty good security system that way.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, I find it very refreshing, Donna, that that was
your answer, because I can't tell you how much it
pisses me off to have somebody to eat somebody on
that in a situation like yours, a possible habituation situation,
and you ask them about pictures. Oh, I got tons
of pictures, tons of pictures, send them to you, and
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it's just a bunch of red circles and tree line,
just paradoia crap. And for you to say you can't
get a clear picture. So no, I don't I respect that.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
No, it's I'm not. As far as recordings, I do
have some vocal. I have vocal. That's what goes all
go back to the old cassette players.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
She's a little cassette in Yeah, I think I found
one the other day is from like nineteen ninety four.
It's kind of grainy and you got that the old
time get before you got, you know, a thing from
when I was a kid. I have more recent vocals.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Okay, so yeah, maybe if you come back, we can
play some of those.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Mike has she said, you know he's going to be
on on Saturday. Mike has some really good vocals that
is from this area. I'm like, yes, I have all
of his audio clubs actually already uploaded onto stream yards.
So yeah, yeah, they're there. Yeah. So the one I
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was actually well, like I said. Last summer, he had
an experience where one stepped out of the tree line
close to him. I was with him. He was very surprised.
I love Mike. He is he's a super nice guy,
and he's he has a lot a lot of material,
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and he's been at it for a long time and
he's had some very interesting experiences here Again, he's call
blasting got him into some issues where he kind of
got chased. So I try, I go for the more
calm and I'll go back to I have a like
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a caught back there. I'm not afraid. I'll go back there.
I can lay down and go to sleep. I'm not
and I have when I as a kid, I actually
fell asleep in the creek and my grandma used to
braid my hair. Over my hair and she put the
ribbons in. Of course, as soon as I hit the woods,
I take them out, you know. So I got in
the creek, it down, I laid them on the rock
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and I kind of fell asleep. I had a little
waterfalls and I had a book. I was like twelve,
and when I woke up, I get in trouble with
my grandma because you know, it wasn't that I would
take my hair down because I get a couple of
bars in it, you know. But I look those are gone,
and I'm thinking, crap, I'm gonna get a switch in,
you know, because I thought, well, my brother slept down.
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They're messing with me.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
I was going up to where the creek west's a
cedar grove and I seen those ribbons moving going up
through them trees, and I'm like, first I'm thinking, you know,
I'm thinking it was my brother. But then I seen
the dark figure and he top my ribbons. The next
day because I go back on that rock for my
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ribbons from he left me an arrow straightener and some
shells and some colored stones, so that was gonna give back.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Wow, all right, very cool?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Uh Alan Do they seem to stay around through all
four seasons?
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Yes, they do. They stay in more in the winter
of course. In the summertime there's you know, they don't
just eat meat. They get their fruits and berries and uh,
my little creek there's got like tunnels and uh crawdads
and you know minnos, so they get there. So yeah,
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but they are here all year.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
They don't disappear. They're here underground.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's a really good, good question. All right, Uh n
W Native Tracker? What color was their skin? Gray, charcoal, tan, sunburn?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Looking?
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Uh? On the one the face is more like a
black dark, but then it kind of goes with the coloring,
just like I said, do you have the black for
the brown furs like a reddish brown that tan, they
have the white. So it's like the eye colors are
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different because I've seen I've seen blue eyes, I've seen
the black, the dark eyes. I've seen the like orangish red.
So they have different I guess the way I guess
it's like us. You know, there's different study.
Speaker 7 (50:35):
So the okay, yeah, the n W Native Tracker has
a kind of a follow up or another question, Uh,
what shape are their heads?
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Now that's a funny thing because the one, the female
I've seen last year, it's more defined like a human head.
And I've seen the old not a group, not not
a real gorilla head, but more primitive. Honestly, I think
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I think it's in the genetics and the older ones,
because like the one that was with dad, my dad
would be over one hundred years old now, and that
one that was with him was old as he was
or older to kind of grow with you. So he's old.
But the younger ones, it's like they're it's kind of
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I guess, kind of like they're kind of evolving maybe
so that they're changing a little bit.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
You still have that primitive look.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
What about we hear reports of the cone head.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I never seem like a cone head, you know, like
you know, like coconut like type thing or uh, they're
more rounder, but they do have a little bit of them.
I've seen that little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
We got two more to get through here. First one, Troy,
have you found any prints? Have you ever found a
seabum on the windows, the greasy substance that sometimes left
in their prints on glass.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Well, I sent you some prints that I took out
the creek, I think, and uh as far when I
moved down here and did my house here, on the
front of the screen, it was mud. It had its
hand in the mud, and it left that handprint like
it was spent down looking in and it left that
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on the front, which it would be. I never washed
it off. It left here until finally the rain washed
it off. Did taste a pictures. I'll tell you what
I help you find is the pea like when are
having their little ones there, they mark their territory. They pee,
and I can tell you that pee is like uh
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syropi and it smells horrible that I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
I can imagine. And you know, you're not the first
one that.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I've ever heard that from our last one, long one
from Alan. It's what their home base looks like. You
have any thoughts on shelter caves, et cetera. Everyone talks
about seeing them going around peeking into windows and throwing poop.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Oh well, I've never had poop though at me, I've
had acorns and little rocks, kind of like kids franking.
They will look in the windows. Yep, they do.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
As far as the caves, like I said, we're on
top of a big cave system here, so they used
to caves moving them. Of course, inside there's caves. You know,
there's water in there, there's springs in there. There's even
vegetation that will growing there and different things.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
So yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. That seems
to be a pretty hot topic and if they use
the cave systems or not, but I most definitely think
that they do.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
All Right, Donna, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
This this has been awesome, and I think everyone in
the audience agrees that we're gonna have to have you
back because I know you have some more steps to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
Oh, I have quite a few. Like I said, I'm
an old country person. I've ran there and I still
run through the hills. I have a camp site. I
go up. I bet I've been camping. I will go
up and camp in a tent, but with a little
more activity. I've decided I'm putting in an old time
low cabin. I'm just cutting my.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Own trees from my own property and put it in
that way.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
Too. So I did. Actually Mike had came up with
the ideas like what you should do is get like
the two way glass where you can see out and
they can't see in. So I think I'm going to
do that at least in one window. It's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
That is a good idea. All right.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, I will be in touch with you sometime, probably tomorrow,
to see if we can set up a time. I'd
love to get you back on a Saturday night, because yes,
Saturday nights, that's our after hours, and we go longer.
We can go longer than an hour. So if you're
not if you're not opposed to staying up a little
bit later. We go live at ten o'clock on Saturdays.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Oh that's fine. I'm I'm usually home. I care for
some family members. I'm a caretaker. That's part of my
heritage too, that's my responsibility, and I take that very seriously.
So I'm home of evening, and.
Speaker 4 (55:56):
I'm sure you're gonna have a great time with Mike.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
He's fun.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, we talked, you know, we talked yesterday and I
was reminded him.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
By the show Saturday, and he's a hoop.
Speaker 5 (56:08):
He's just really the kindest person.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
He is.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
I actually put my link to him, said, hey, I'm
going to do this show. He didn't tell me. He's
not feeling good right now. His very good match stores
a few months ago. He shaved his downs well in
today's birthday.
Speaker 8 (56:25):
So well, yes, all right, all right again, Donna, thank
you so much, ma'am, had a great time, looking forward
to the next one, and enjoy the rest of your evening.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
You too, and anytime, and thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
By.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Hey, everybody, thank you so much for checking out this
episode of the Bigfoot Report. We appreciate everything that you
guys do all of the continued support means the world
to us. If you don't mind, if you would take
just a second go rate and review the show wherever
it is you get your podcasts, we would greatly appreciate
(57:10):
it and it would help us out so very much. Also,
I'd like to invite everyone to check out the website
Paranormal Worldproductions dot com. Check out all of the shows
under the studio's umbrella. Also, I want to remind everyone
about our YouTube channel. Tiffany and I do a live
show every Tuesday at seven pm Eastern, as well as Saturday,
(57:35):
we do an after hour show at ten pm Eastern
where we have people come on and share their experiences.
We would love to have you check that out. If
you have not done so, while you're there, please hit
that subscribe button. It would mean so much to us. Again,
thank you guys for everything that you do. We love you,
We thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (58:03):
Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day, weekfoots call on the whispering breathe, Secrets
kept by ancient dreams. Dog Man House beneath the moon
(58:27):
echoes in the silent dune tracks. We fine, but answers none.
A hunt for truth, that's just begune. We're searching past
(58:51):
the fire light. Four creatures hidden out of sight in
the forest where shadows lay seeking. See Chrits in the
twilight through the fog, A shaped did gly skin walker
(59:18):
with eyes so wide, legends of Oh, we chase to
night in the dark. Our lanterns bright by the creek,
quil water spill whispers rye, the windsow chill fullest, deep
(59:42):
man tails.
Speaker 5 (59:43):
On toll.
Speaker 6 (59:45):
In this land, the myths of old. We're searching.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
That's the fire light.
Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Full creatures hidden out of sight in the forest, hart
where shadows lay seeking. See Chriss in the twilight break
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