August 5, 2025 • 66 mins
On this episode of The Bigfoot Report Wayne talks about Tiffany stepping away from the show, and we all wish her nothing but the best. We also have Donna Copas back to the show. Donna is from Ohio and has had activety on and around her property for her entire life. She also comes from a Native American background. It really was great to have her back.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Sneaking up on them.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
As soon as you walk in the woods, you walk.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In their front door, thinking that you are going to
surprise them. You're only kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get out of our heads that
anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in my opinion,
that we have to learn about these creatures right now
is by listening to and talking to those that have
experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and experienced them
in their own environment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening bear, a support pold for those who have
had their own encounters with that which is not supposed
to exist.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Have seen something.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Before we get started, I want to address the elephant
in the room, or I guess the elephant the giraffe
that's not in the room. I guess I should say
Miss Tiffany is not here. She has decided. I mean,
I guess the winds of change have.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Blown her way.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
She is on to bigger and better things. And wish
her nothing but the absolute best. She is my little sister.
I love her so much. The show has just grown
so much with her. She's responsible for so much of it.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Still love her.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Not going to get into a whole lot of details,
and I wish her nothing but the best. She's been
my little sister for a few years now, and she
knows a lot of my secrets. I know a lot
of hers and think nothing but the best of her.
I love her, and she is going to go on
to do amazing things. Thank you so much for the
(02:53):
time that you gave us. Tiffany. We love you and
we're going to miss you. Your beautiful, You're talented, your love,
You're awesome, and I thank you for everything. So moving
on from that, obviously, there's some changes coming up. It's
just gonna be me for a little while. I don't
know how long. But I used to do it by
(03:14):
myself all the time, so ain't that new to me?
Just be a little more work, So I'm gonna do
some make some other changes, like the podcast. Those of
you that listen to the podcast and not just catch
it here, y'all, y'all have noticed that I do all
of the paying of the bills and the call to
actions at the end of the show. So I think
(03:36):
I'm gonna give that a shot and try to start
getting to our guests a little bit quicker. Alright, everybody,
I am so very excited to have our guests backstage.
We had her on I don't think it's been a
month ago, it's been a few weeks. But everyone loved her.
Her stories were amazing. She comes from a Native American background.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
She sent me some pictures today that I can't explain.
I don't know what we're looking at in these pictures.
It's hair. It's absolutely hair, but it's like six feet
of hair, like dreaded, and we're going to show that
to you. I'll bring that up early before we really
get into anything, because I don't know what the hell
(04:20):
they found. I want her to talk about that and
tell everybody kind of what to expect. But all of
that being said, well, before we do, let me just
say hello to everybody in the chat that has joined us. Troy,
what's up, Buddy? Been talking to you today? Always fun,
Alex still the best dollar night, and thank you buddy.
(04:43):
Chris Blaylock. You know I love you, ma'am. You are amazing.
Robert my brother from another mother. Thank you so much
for hanging.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Out, buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Bobby Sledge, where you been, man? You're a neighbor now
you live like ten minutes down the road.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Where have you been?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Thanks for tuning in, Bobby, appreciate it very very much. Ristol,
as always, he is always here. Erica, thank you so much, ma'am.
I enjoyed spending time with you last weekend. Stormy. You
know how we feel about you, ma'am. Thank you so
much for hanging out. And there are others, but I'm
(05:21):
just not seeing them. Other people will tune in. Goony
goog hit us with the dollar ninety nine as always,
that two dollars a week. We can count on. That's
like taxes right there. You know we can count on that.
Two bucks a week from Gooney, Thank you buddy. All right, Alan,
what's up, buddy, Alan from Cadillac, Michigan, My great Dane brother.
(05:45):
Thank you so much for tuning in. Kevin Jones, Kevin,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I love you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We've been talking a little bit recently. Thank you for
tuning in. All right, let's get to our guests. Miss Donna.
Oh god, I hope I pronounce this right. Copus Capus.
She's going to correct me right now. Hello, how are
you doing.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
How are you doing? Very very well? Pronoun your last name? Man,
Copus Copus.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I knew I had it right. I'm smarter than the
average bear.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ye believe me, it's been. It's been pronounced. One time
I got it was like Calpus, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What so you said, Calpus? Is that what you said?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It was? It was somebody you know, It's like what
and it's like is that? I was like, no, you
gotta do Copus?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, uh, you came on a few weeks ago and
it was just it was a great show.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Everyone loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We everyone was asking you to come back, and I
thank you so much for we're taking the time to
come and hang out with me tonight. It's all some
of you. You sent me some pictures today, and I
don't know what the hell to make of these pictures.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Maybe you do.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I don't think you do because of judging our conversation,
but I'm just gonna go ahead and pop them up
and tell me what in the hell y'all found and where?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, that is a humongous amount of hair. There's no
skin on it. It's like dreadlock. It's about six foot
long and it's wide, you know, it's like a foot
and half two feet wide. It's huge. I mean I
actually stood on the chair and held it. I'm five
(07:45):
foot three and it's way longer than I am tall.
I do hikes. I hike. I hiked ten miles, but
I have a special place I go through. It's waterfalls,
and we found all kinds of stuff there before where
I found like the pittified foot. I don't know if
I sit you a picture or not, but it's like stone.
(08:05):
It has three toes and you can see the cloths
in that. There's two of them. One is independent and
flat on you know, you can see the bones in
the back of it where it's petrified. The other one's
in the stone well that in that waterfalls. It's right here.
My son saw it sticking.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Up on the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Of course, we've had a lot of rain and you know,
some flooding, and so he started pulling. And the more
he's pulling, the more of that is coming out, more
and more and more. And finally I said stop because
there's more there, there's more. And I said stop because
then it started clicking in my head. It's like, well wait,
(08:48):
because we could be messing up DNA, you know that
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It smells like skunk.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Wet earth, which it's in the ground, you know, and
there's some there's some little you know, like sticks and
vonnees because it's in the ground.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We've literally pulled it out of being buried. It was buried.
What it is I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, I don't get it. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What what is this six foot long clump of dreadlocked
hair buried?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean it's like it's coarse, it's like human hair,
but very coarse, coarse human hair. I didn't have a
taxidermist look at it and He's like, I don't know
what the heck that is. He's like like a beefalow,
but they don't have that kind of long hair, and
it would and that's all together, you know, it's like
(09:46):
it was like you would cut somebody's dreadlocks off, you know,
from but there's no skin, if there's no skin attached
to it, it's just the hair.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Then to answer your question, she's in oh she's in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Are you northern south, south, southern.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Southeast, southeast Ohio? And this was found under a waterfall.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yep, their waterfall, you know. I on there's like two
waterfalls there and this one there's like my my grandson
is found. Like I said, there's petrified foot is like
it's huge. I might have sent you a picture of it,
but it you can see like the nails are like
(10:33):
maybe two and a half three inch long nails. Nails,
they're nails, you know, like claws.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And you can see that petrified in that stone foot.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well it's not you know, it's a petrified foot, so
it's turned to stone like whatever. But it's like a
dinner plate size, a big dinner plate size. So whatever
it was, it was massive, and there's two of them.
We found two. One is you just got it out.
The other one it's actually attached to a rock. There's
(11:06):
like a big rock and it's setting on top of it.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Now I'm trying. I want to go back on it.
You said claws.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't see where where.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
It was like you would take like you take your
fingers like you know, you put your fingers out like this, okay.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
And there's the claws.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's like claws, like as long as your fingers is
that's how long the claws are. It's like it's like nails,
but it's like long, like you would grow your nails out,
and you know, like like like pterodactyl clalls or something,
you know, like claws are in that there.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's and I want to see this in person because
I feel like fakers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Aren't really doing it much justice.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
No, it's I had a few straight over the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I did your show, and then the next week
Mike Miller, I did your show. I was listening to
it because he comes here, I actually do I got
you the time and he was doing the you and
so we're doing his calls. Well, where I'm setting up
My house sits up against the woods, and I have
(12:26):
my bathroom window open because like all country people, I
take my dryer vent off in the winter time. When
I run my dryer, it heats my bathroom and helps
to heat him. I had to put it on side.
I have this great big window, it's like I can
walk out it, and I just sted it back. Well,
I've been setting listening to the podcast and getting to
the end with the calls, and I went back there
(12:49):
and I was like, all crap, I.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Forgot that window open.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Of course, the creek's right there, within ten feet in
my window, there's the creek and there's a big tree.
I heard something and I got this whiff, you know,
I get this whiff of the kind of skunky smell,
and so I know I had no screen in this window.
There's no screen.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I stuck.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I had the phone in my hand because I'm listening
to your show on my phone. So I stuck my
phone out and I took two pictures and I sent
you those pictures of what that the face that I
got that night.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So yeah, I couldn't make much out. And there's a
to be honest on this show, Donna, we we don't
really share a whole lot of pictures that can't be
really to what they are.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Just believe me, if you see it, and I'm not
saying it sending it to you, you see it on
my phone, you would.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
See what I was talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was a big surprise my granddaughter who's seven, she's
been staying with me since school was out, and she
had told me she saw something looking in the window.
I thought, you know, kid being kids, she just reflection
or whatever. But it scared her so bad that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
She went home. She won't she won't stay. But and
then I found that a few days later. I found that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But I honestly, I mean, that's this is one of
the coolest things I've seen. And you only send it
to me today, yeah, maybe yesterday, And I just I
don't know what the hell to make of that much hair? Well,
I well, you see how that much hair and what
dreads it like that?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It is?
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I talked to.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Have found the corpse of a bigfoot and that was
just hair that come off of it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I mean, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I honestly, you know, I have I have talked to
different people.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I talked to the taxi dermist.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I spoke to well, I talked to Tim sometimes and
he's like, well, I was worried. I was like, well,
I touched it, so I probably messed up any DNA
I put. You know, ours is in there where we
pulled it, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And he's like, well, just maybe try to find a
spot where you didn't touch it and kind of peace
out that way.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But he's he's like, I suggest that you put it
away right now, and.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Then what do you have it? What do you have
it secured in? What do you have it stored in? Donna?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I took like a garment bag, you know, like what
you from dry cleaner.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And I kind of put it down in there.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did you like vacuum seal it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I have it vacuum sealed it, but I kind of
put it down in there and seal it because it
was wet.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So you can imagine it's dry and.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You can see, like I said, there's sticks and little
vines where it's it's been there for a while because
the vines has grown through it, you know, like little
teeny tiny vines has grown through it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I want to know what this is I honestly, I
don't know. We need to stay on top of this,
stay in touch with me and get this turned in.
I'll talk to whoever I need to. You know, I
have connections people I know through the community to.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
See who we can talk to.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Maybe even cut it up, like send samples of you
ain't got to send the whole thing to somebody, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Well, that's what Tim suggested.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's like kind of you know, maybe go into center
pit gloves on, be careful and try to find a place,
you know, where you have a touch so we can
just get.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You know, I never I've never heard I've never heard
any anywhere History channel, nothing of people finding a six
foot long hair hair that looks like what should be
on a big foot.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
We don't have b below or you know that kind
of stuff around here. There's none that's certainly not horse hair.
That's like cattle hair.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
She uh, it looks like long ass human hair.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
That's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And it looks like uh, my person that dreadlocked you know, uh,
since since.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
They were born.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I call them white boy dreads. There's a difference between
white boy dreads and then the African American guys, the
black guys there, because that's like more braided and stuff
that looks like white boy dreads to me.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Can you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Here's the.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I mean, where is it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Why can't I?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
There?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It is sorry that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
This is the foot the foot of what.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I have no idea. You see how big it is?
And now see it on the end.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That is as hell too.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That's just where this came Where that came from? This
where this came from?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Is that a cast or is that a bone?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No? This is this is uh shine a light one. No,
it's making it No, it's making it too much. Back off,
it's too much.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Are looking at this is petrified like uh like stone.
But if you could see don't move back to Jeremy
because that's too.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That looks like alien ship right there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So, but can you see the can you see the toes?
There's three toes and this is smooth right here. It's
like the nail you see, yeah, two three and the leather.
Now there was another right here, but it's broken off. Okay,
(19:12):
And this is what the backside of it looks like.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So did y'all find that in the area of the hair.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, same place, same waterfalls. So I have no idea
what he found this a few years ago. But we
find artifacts there. I found all kind of native artifacts, arrowheads,
paint pots, ceremonial type things. So I don't because, like
(19:48):
I said, I'm in the country. So when it floods
that little creek, it washes down for miles and miles
and miles. When I first bought the property, it was vacant.
There's nothing here.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Stay tuned for more.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But the big floper for We'll.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Be right back.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They had logged out, really really old timber.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My water comes from springs. I don't have city water.
I have springs that feed to my house.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't even have a wheel pump water.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, And that was the first thing I looked for,
because like I still do the old ways.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I still harvest the roots.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I have my own.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well. My dad, when I bought the place, there's twenty
three acres. He handed me the script giant ten can
of gen san Berri's and he's like, now go playing
him and you'll always have money in the bank.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know, meaning which is true?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You know my my saying I never take anything less
than a fourth prong and then it's always all my
berries are replanted, so and it's about a thousand dollars
a pound.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
So you know, at the.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
End of the year, I want to I need extra
money or I want to harvest.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But I have the other roots too, I have yellow root.
I have everything. You know, it's kind of I don't
let anybody on my property. I don't. If I hunt,
I just hunt for food or I'm going to donate it,
or you know, I don't. It's kept private so well.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I definitely I definitely hope that that you and I
can stay in touch, is you know, just find out
what the hell is going on with that hair and
that possible foot, because I mean, if I any any
way I can help you to get answers, I definitely will.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I'll start asking around.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Maybe you already have an avenue to get some answers,
but I would like to get them.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's that was a surprise I've never seen, I've never found.
And you know what else happened though, because I found
that and I took the as soon as I brought
it in, it was wet. I took those pictures. There's
like two pictures. That's all I got then next morning
I decided I laid it out on my couch so
it would be the full length, and I wanted to
(22:06):
get a picture, you know, because I was talking to Tim.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It wouldn't let me.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I couldnot take the picture. It would not let my
phone work. It would not I'd tried another camera, I
tried another front in no way, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I It's like physically not let you take a picture.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I can not take a picture. I mean I took
other pictures with the same thing and it worked fine,
but when I tried to do that, it wouldn't. It
wouldn't work. Now I've experienced that before because I have
different places that I go and there's a cave that
I do gifting in and it happens there when I
(22:52):
get close. Because I go in becuse you have to
have flashlight or something. My flashlights won't work. My batteries
go dead as soon as I get close. So I
keep an old time torch with you know, you wrap
the rag with scar sene on it, and you you know,
I keep those at the entrance. So when I go in,
that is my life because I take my I make
(23:15):
my cakes and that kind of things.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I leave in there.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's my gifting site. So I'm used to some of
the hum and you know, knocking your batteries out, that
kind of stuff. But I was like, I don't know.
I got those two pictures and I was amazed. I
was like, why why won't it work now? Because I
got these too. But when I just I just literally
(23:40):
just brought it, you know, pulled it and brought it in.
So I don't know. I can't explain that one either.
Don't have an explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But no, unfortunately we don't. It was about them all right.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well, from when we had you on last I know
a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Of people were very very interested in some of these
stories from your elders, like your grandparents, and because you're
Native American, right, and I know all kinds of stories
have had to have been passed down, and I know
I would personally would love to hear some of those.
If there's a few of those that you can share
(24:21):
with us, just experiences, things they learned, things they experience,
or just just anything. It doesn't have to be creepy,
just you know what your people experience from these things.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Well, like I said, with us, we call them the
watchers I've had I've been attacked over that name, talking
about the angels that came down and bread with the humans.
But that's not what we mean when we say watchers.
We mean these are our protectors that watch us over us.
(24:55):
I don't you know, I don't get into the religious
thing or anything like that, but what I did say was, well,
shawn Ee, we didn't have a Bible. You know, white
man brought the Bible. And I have nothing against the
Bible or religion. I was raised both ways. I want
to make that very clear. We call them Creator the
(25:18):
Great Spirit. And with the story that was told about
how the watchers came to be, you know, the moonlight
people came. They had children with our people, not just
our people, I don't think, I think other tribes or
other racists, whatever, and they were left behind as.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Our protectors of those children.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And what I do know is, and I've talked to
different people about like the negative the rh factor of
the oak, you know, the negative blood.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
My whole family has that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I mean to the point that it's very dangerous at
times because of the blood disorder.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That was one the blood type you're talking about, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
The blood type, because the negative if you searched back,
you find out that that negative came into effect after
this was something they found later on. And with that
rh factor, it seems like anything that anybody that has
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a lot of interactions with the watchers will be of
a negative blood. So I you know, I've had stories
told about that from my elders. When we talked about
the dog man again, I'm not real sure I did
have that. Last year in October was the first time
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I saw anything that I even thought was a dog man,
and it wasn't here on my property or close to me.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
This is so your elders, your ancestors, didn't talk much
about the dog man.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
They did tell me the story and they said the
dog men were created by the shaman to help battle.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
There was a battle going on that some.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Of the of the the medicine men, you know, the
shaman had turned bad and they were doing bad things
and they were using the watchers to help them do this,
and the watchers had turned bad with them.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
That's the reason why Dad always said, there's good and
there's bad. You know, you have to be very careful.
I have things that I have to do, a special
sights that I do, special things in but at that
time they said they created the dog men to help
them battle the watchers. They had to have something of
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equal strength because they're a lot stronger than humans.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Now, the dog men is two different things.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
There is there is the warriors that are the dog men,
and they're fierce warriors. And when they went into battle,
they were actually they put a leash around yourself and
they staked theirself to the ground and they and they
fought to the death. You know, they never unleashed theirself
through that whole battle. They would not pull they would
under penalty of death that they ever pulled that leash.
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They are anchored down and they stay there till they
they either win or they die.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
That is the way. That's that's another.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Form of thing that doesn't sound very fun.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And well, like I said, there's my lineage is from
what we call the ice Maiden. It was a female warriors,
very very fierce warriors. And like I said before, they
always said, pray to God, the men get you, not
the women.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You don't want them to get you.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So they were very a very special sect. And my
training I started, I was taking what I twelve, you know,
I grew up being taught different things. But at the
age of twelve, it's when you go to the cave
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and that's when you're your training starts. So but as
far as the watchers, I've always seen a last six.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
When Dad introduced me the first.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Time to them, he taught me, like the stones, the
marker stones, the tree shelter, all that what it means.
I've never, like I said, I had a couple of
things that happened that was kind of violent, but they
weren't really directed towards me. Last year, I actually had
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almost had a long throy through my windshield because I
was leave an early of the morning to go pick
up another family member to take them and dough deer.
There was like a ten foot bank and she come
laying out in front of my car.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
She dove off. She didn't go down the bank.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
She dove off and just splattered four legs out into
the road and I stopped.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
She's scared, just terrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
She's you know, like gets up and finally gets across
the road and I went about fifty more feet when
the fawn came off the same bank and I look
up and I'm thinking something's chasing them, and there on
the bank is a juvenile and he has a log
of probably six foot long, probably twelve inches, you know,
it's a big and it's broken hall and he's got
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it up and I'm thinking, crap.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Is going to go through my windshield just any second.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And at the last second he threw it to the
side and he did like a teenager huffing.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You know, he's mad.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So he stomps and he huffs, and he threw it
to the side and he went back through the woods.
But I guess that was his way of saying, you know,
you just screwed me all over.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I hadn't get no breakfast, but so you witnessed this juvenile.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, we had all that logging.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
There's the big areas like four hundred acres where they
mostly stay, and they were logging that out really bad.
So they were traveling around moving. That's when I seen
we had more sightings. Other people had sightings too. But
thank god they've wit logging and they can they've moved
back up into the valley. The Shawnee name for this
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valley is the Valley of the Dead, because not only
it's a burial we have our mounds there. We have
some old billing sites and you see some creepy things
there at times. You see the orbs. I've seen the
child where they were logging. It actually drug logs through
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a burial and I was walking around through there and
they tore out a lot of stones. And as I
come around the curve, I look, there's another girl with
me and I go, oh, there is a she goes child.
It's because she finished my sentence. She saw it at
the same time I did, and it's just like it's gone.
So there's things were disturbed, but which kind of made
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things a little hectic around here.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
People ask me about the watchers and cemeteries.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Good question, good question.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The watchers, like I said, you have your own watch.
I have my watcher and my dad had of his,
which he's very old. But when you pass away, they
go to that they follow you to that cemetery. Shawnee
believe in reincarnation, so the watchers wait for that soul
to be reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
They watch. So there's a whole thing about stone eggs,
and that would be a.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Very long conversation. But so there is a reason that
they're there. I mean, it's it's not like they're creepy
and trying to eat bodies or anything like that. They're
actually watching, they're watching their charges.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, but what is it about?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, I've heard so many stories about bigfoot sightings
around cemeteries. A couple of our active areas are near cemeteries.
I mean, I don't is it. There's so much speculation,
and that's all that it is at this point is speculation.
Are they like are they honoring the dead?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yes, if you look in that cemetery, here's your clue.
Whatever cemetery, You're going to go to that cemetery and
look for the dates on the tombstons, okay, and you
will find something dating back to early eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Given you're going to find.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Old grades green hundreds.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And when you find those old graves and you're setting
up to do research or whatever, you're going to find
out that they're going to be hanging around those old grades.
Those are their charges.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Why are they hanging around the old graves, don't I.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
That's because it's well, like me, I have my own watcher.
He's mine.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
He's going to watch over me till I die, and
when I die, it will come to my grave and
watch over my grave.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So when does he die?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Honestly, my dad, my dad would be like one hundred
years old if he was alive.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
His watcher is still here. He's very old. And so
you know, I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You know, I can't say that they don't die because actually,
with something last year that I'm not a loud to
talk about, I got very I was told very thoroughly
to shut my mouth and not talk about it. Who well,
I can't say that where other people will hear me
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say that, but I could maybe discuss that with you later.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
It was a very.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Disturbing thing that happened. And because I try, like I said,
I go through the woods all the time. I have
different areas, I have access to places that other people
don't get into.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And it was a very very horrifying and very.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I just I just cried.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I was just so.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But within about three days I got contacted and told
to you.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Know, mind, my manners can keep it quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So I have to honor their wishes to get so
that I can have access to where I need to go.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I have to honor their wishes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I get the free Lene. There's so much more you're
not telling us.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I am a little older and I have been taught
and my dad. Uh, like I said, last two years
of dad's life, he shared everything with me. He taught me,
he cautioned me because he was very protective. Uh, you
know they're protective of us, we're protective of them. There
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are family. Uh it was like, you're crazy. You know,
there's no such thing. You're nuts or I get I
got family members at tas whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's everybody do their.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Own opinion, opinions like bloodholes, everybody hats one.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So's I don't argue about my rule.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I don't argue about religion.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'll argue about politics and everybody can have their own
opinion and I'll have mine.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So it's not Is there a looking back the stories
that were passed down to you? I don't know how
to word this because I don't want to say. Let's
try this. Is there a story that was passed down
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to you where one a human like us, now you
or your family, your natives was protected by a sasquatch.
Does anything like that ring a bell?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Or yeah, last year when I got hit with the
flying cooler, Uh if it hadn't been for my failure
coming flying. He's a little failer. He ain't big like
the old man.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
If he had not he came down through there, like
about all of hell, I don't know what would have
happened to me. I mean, maybe he'd just chopped over
talk about me and went on because he was mad.
But mine came through those woods and he was there.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And like growing up like from me, like your your mother,
your father, your grandparents, just something where they protected like
from something else by a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Animal wise or you know where they came here. Yeah, yeah,
I had okay. Well, like I said, I was nine
and I lived on the big farm. It's like three
hundred acres, and I hated school. I was always skipping,
you know, I had to walk out to the school bus.
And I thought that day I was okay because that
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had I thought he'd already left for work. So when
I go down, i'd have to walk out and then
I go down the hill. Then I go I'd go
off through the woods, past the springs and hit the
creek and then I end up back up in the barn.
But on that day I went down there and I
had a dog with me, and there was a big
hollow log across the creek and my dog wouldn't go
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near it.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
She skidded up around the hill.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
When I went, I clumb over it, and as I
went over, there was a black panther came out the
end of the log. I know, people say, oh, there's
my black back. They're full of crap. They are here,
they've always been here, and so needless to say, scared
of beajamas out of me. And it's standing there looking
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at me, and I'm thinking, you know, I got to
get back up the hill. I got to get to
the barn. And of course that's Dad's a trapper and
a hunter, so he's beat in my head. Don't run.
Whatever you do something, don't run, you run, you become prey.
So I start moving slow. But as I'm moving slowly
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up through there, because I've had.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Mine has been around.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Two, you know, and it it followed in the woods
and that it was between me and that cat.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
The cat came behind too, but it didn't have you know,
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Stay tuned for more. But the big flop report, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
It was behind. It would not come past him.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
So by the time I got up to the barb
wire fence for my dad was waiting on me, let
me tell you, and I.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Fell through the fence and I was like, anything.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I could say was cat, cat cat, And Dad promptly
turned me around and kicked me in the butt and
broke his toe. Uh he you know, he's like I
told you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
So there's different times.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I go into the woods all the time, but I'm
not I'm cautious, but I always.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Feel their presence.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I don't, you know, I don't feel I was a
little concerned with what when I got the picture at
the bathroom window the other night. Is kind of concerned,
not so much for myself, but because my granddaughter was here.
And then I kind of got to think, and you
know what, maybe that is a young, young one and
it's not here for me. Maybe it's here for her
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because she's with me, and maybe that's hers.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Now that's scary.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
That's a scary thought. I mean, now, what do you
mean there for her too?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Because they start when you're young, they attach themselves to you,
not like no, that's not going to hurt her, But
when they're young, they're unpredictable. And my granddaughter is seven,
and she got scared of she comes outside pitch black
ass dark through to my house. She does like it's weird,
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and coyotes scared. Coyote scares me. I'm you know, and
they're coming in close here. I have bobcats that's coming
close into my barn. And that's what I'm afraid she'll
walk out on. But then, you know, I kind of
I think about things. I try to rationalize what is
this or what could that be? And then I got
to thinking, either or it's a young one that's lost
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it's mom and it's it's not smart enough yet to
stay as hidden as it should, or the ability hasn't
developed enough, because you got to think about these These
things are big, but they're young, you know, even when they're.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Babies, you know, they're big.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And as they grow up, I mean, it could be
the same age as her, it could be sad, you
know whatever in that years, but it's gonna be way
far far bigger, you know. So I thought, well, maybe
maybe that's hers. But if there's one child that is
truly more like me than anybody else, gets her. I
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mean I have other granddaughters, but they don't they're more cautious.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
They never was. She just isn't afraid. She just is
not afraid.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That worries me because that did pound out in my head.
You know, you'd be cautious, use your brain. You know
there's good and bad and everything, and you don't know
what's going to be bought. So I'm still kind of
scratching my head on that one, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I mean the whole aspect of Bigfoot and Native
Americans just fascinates me. I have so many like thoughts
and questions and everything, like the cave drawings, total poles.
We've seen total poles with these things that.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Look like a big foot.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Can you speak to that at all?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Well, Like I said, I have a family member that
he's a paleographer. He deciphered res each in languages, and
we have traveled a bit and to a lot of
the Pictulis sites which you will find references to the watchers.
You see, we have one it's in Jackson here, it's
Leo Pitty Cliffs Sight And when you pull into the
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parking lot they put the fifty clift site. It's actually
under a shelter so you could just drive up and
get out and walk over there and see it. Uh,
it's kind of fade and then people people are so
terrible about the graffiti and the disrespect, you know, the
whole thing. They destroyed so much. But you'll find them there,
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you know. And we have another sight here. It's called
the Adscony Footprint Sight, and in that it actually has
the footprints in the story of the watchers in the
Shawnee and a battle that they fought, So it's it's
depicted in in the glipse there. And the amazing thing
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about that was another stone on top and the footprint
that the foot is down like like it would have
stepped in it when the rock was hot and just
melted down and it formed that way.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's not mud.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This is a stone, and I think it was like
eighteen inches long.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
It's pretty massive.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
But where somebody came and took the top of the
cliffed off and took it away.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
So again it's.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's the reason I don't tell sites, because if anybody
knows where anything is, even our burial mounds.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
To this day, they will dig up a burial mountains.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
So I'm very cautious.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
But then in the areas where the mountains are. These
are in the woods.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
This isn't a cemetery or these are mountains in the woods,
and the watchers are in that area, they still guard
the sites.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Kay, all right, well we have Normally we wouldn't get
to the questions this quickly.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Jesus Christ. We have a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
People are wanting to know, so we're going to try
to get through these as quickly as possible to be
respectful of everyone's time.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
First off, going to go to it.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Thank you so much, buddy, you are amazing, always hitting
us with that dollar ninety nine supersticker. My great great friend,
my brother from another mother, Kevin Jones, is he going
to be sampled?
Speaker 5 (46:37):
I think he's talking about your dead.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
The hair, the hair.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I think that I'm going to let one gentleman help
me with that because I'm not a researcher. I don't
you know. I am who I am, and I do
what I do a researcher, I am not. So I
have talked to him and he's given me some advice
and he has somebody, so I think that's probably what
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I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
He I okay, all right, Well that goes along with
the next one, mister h Troy two fingers. I know
a guy at Vanderbilt University that would love to do
DNA on that.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Well, like I said, I.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
The one guy I've been for a couple of years.
He's been really helpful with me, and he's always very
honest with me in every way. If he says, hey,
I think that's crap, and I was like, okay, man,
you know you know more than I do. Uh, So
I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with him because he you know,
he's he's always.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Been there for me.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
So I'm gonna stick with him. But I will absolutely
share whatever I find.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I will be I mean, I think it's a good
idea to maybe get multiple sources. You know.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, I thought about that too.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I've seen the taxidermist first because I thought, well, maybe
it's something else, you know, because everybody's like, well, maybe
it's a wig, it's a synthetic you know, blah blah.
It's like, it's not, you know, it's it's not a wig.
It's hair. Uh And it's not you know, it's real.
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Whatever the hair is, it's real hair. I mean, it's
not it's coarse, it's not a horse's tail. Well as
you can see how many horses tails you have to
have to be that.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I mean, I don't I don't think I've ever seen
anything as strange, like unexplainable than that.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Uh well, I have seen a lot of things in
my life, but I honestly this was the first.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Because you don't find stuff, you know, it's just not.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, I mean a pee, you know, like I talked
about pee. I've seen the pee where they mark their
territory and it's it's like thick, gummy, stinky, yucky. Uh
And in the times when they're having their babies and
giving birth and are mating time, man, it can get
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really round, rawnchy.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I've seen that this hair smelled like skunk, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
It's got that skunky smell that smells like earth.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Of course it was in the ground, so you know
you're going to get that earthy smell like the leaves, rotten.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Leaves, and so it has a it has an odor.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah. All right, well let's uh, let's get to the
try to get to the next one, Miss Chris Blaylock.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Was that foot found in water?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
It was found that.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
The water falls in the Yeah it was it.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Was in the water.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, well, Jeremy, my grandson is standing here. Who he
is the one that found it?
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You says, yes, okay, okay, all right, Troy. Are there
caves near where the footprint was found?
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Absolutely, we live on top of the cave system here.
There's massive caves here.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Okay their acts? Was there more hair lift at the waterfall?
Was there more hair lift at the waterfall?
Speaker 4 (50:25):
There is more hair there that we did not pool.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I I haven't had a chance to go. I've been
taking I have a cousin has cancer and I take
her every day for cancer treatment, and my weekends is
my free time. But that's also the time I gotta
do everything else at home.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
And I didn't do the all week.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
So I haven't had a chance to go back. And
I didn't want my son to go by myself. So
there where I can walk through the woods and I'm safe.
The watchers can get a little more unfriendly to him,
shall I say? You know, he doesn't he doesn't bother anybody.
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But he was actually working up by the barns, and
that was day before yesterday, and he had He's like, Mama,
I'll tell you it's in the tree. It actually broke
a tree limb of high above where he was at,
and this tree limb was probably by eightiach tree limbs fairly,
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which if it would have came down and hit him,
it probably would have killed him. I mean, so sometimes
they don't like people being real close to me. That's
another thing. So I don't know whether they were just
protesting him being in that area at that time, or
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whether they were after more of my chickens.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
So are you know? But so I don't. I just
don't want him to get by hisself. I'll go back with.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Him, all right. Moving to the next one, mister Troy,
How deep underground was the hair buried or slash covered?
What was the substrate lot where the plants growing on
top of it? Do you have any pictures of it
being removed?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
No, I didn't have anything with me.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
I did not, And as you I told you, I
took a picture of the hair when I got home
and didn't know nothing would work. But what it was
it was like seeing something sticking off from it, or
like mossy, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It was.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It's been there long enough for some foliage to grow
and some it's like mossy and over top of it.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Uh, it wasn't real deep.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
But again we had the flooding which washed that area out,
so it could have been down even deeper in the ground.
But with the you know, with the because it comes,
the water comes, and we've had a lot in this area,
so that it was like he just runched down and
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started pulling, you know, just like a rope pull pull,
and it's just coming more.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
And more and more, and it's.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Getting bigger and bigger, and that's why. And he actually
kind of broke it off, uh from you know where,
So there quite possibly is something else down in there
when I think about it, you know, with and in
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regards to seeing them and their you know, their hair.
They have long hair too, you know. Uh it's not
like well, I guess it would be fur, but it's
more hair and it hangs, you know, it hangs down.
So I, you know, I can't say that's what that is.
I don't know what it is. I you know, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Biffled.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
But yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
My buddy, Kevin, Oh my, with the research I'm doing,
this is right up my alley. I need to make
time with this lady, so we will get you in touch.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Kevin.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
All right, moving on, Catherine McSwain, What does dn't I
think about orbs?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
I see orbs in the area, the same area. I
actually have them on my trail camps.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
I have to go up a trail to get back
up into there, and I have had massive orbs. It's
funny because they come down like they will shoot off
the side and then up the trail. They are different colors,
but it's almost like they're following or walking. Uh So,
(54:52):
I yeah, yeah, orbs, I see orbs.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Okay, Troy, when was your first When was your very
first encounter with the being we commonly referred to as beakfoot?
I six six.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Six years old digging roots with my dad.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
That's right, you shared that on the very first the
first time you were on.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
We were digging a yellow root patch and it was
within thirty feet of where I was setting. Me and
died had been digging. Like I said, you know, at
that time, I wanted to go to the fair, and
Dad's rules was you have to make so much your
own money. So he took me up there and we're
digging a big yellow root patch. He stood up. My
(55:40):
dad just cheered tobacco and he walked over that stump.
He took his china back out and laid on the
stump and he told me, Kamoo, won't go. And of course,
you know, I didn't want to go because I was
making my money for the fair. And I kind of
grumbled a little bit and he just got it by
the hands and you know, como won't go. And as
we walked away, I turned around and looked back and
(56:02):
it was probably eight foot tall. It stood up right there,
took the tobacco, and of course I'm scared. And his
dad just kind of shook my hands that come on,
now you leave him alone. You'll leave you lane. And
then he walked up through the woods and we went
the other way. And that was the first time I
(56:23):
saw you know, I think that was Dad's introduction for me.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
It was time for me to learn.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And that was because that was what started my from
then on, my teaching started. The trail marchers. I was
always in the woods with Dad. You know, he dad
trapped for living. I mean he trapped, he hunted, he
dug the roots.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
That was part of I.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Mean, he had a job. He was a farmer too,
but he also did that. My dad was worn I
teen twenty seven and a log cabin.
Speaker 4 (56:53):
In the woods. And I think he was three.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Or four when he first saw his first one, so
and my grandma before that.
Speaker 5 (57:02):
You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Robert Mattler, my good buddy. What are your thoughts or
experiences with LPs?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
And I don't know what that is? What's LP?
Speaker 4 (57:15):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
You have to explain to you, Robert, You're gonna have
to explain, buddy, hit us up, and while you were
doing so, we will move on. A Northwest native tractor tracker.
Do you know the lore about Gugwey, the Gougway Gugway,
They are the ones that are called the face eaters.
It's like a different type of big foot.
Speaker 5 (57:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, I do know there is different sizes. They look different,
Like the one thing I was telling you about last summer,
the one that I saw then was entirely different from
the ones I'm familiar with here. Mine are big and
strong and harry and and she was more feminine, more
(58:05):
human like features, with more human features. So I do
know there's different you know, I guess maybe it's just
like us, we have different races and maybe they.
Speaker 5 (58:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I would think right.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Lastly from Robert, do you feel protected in the woods.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm cautious. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
You know, I carry a gun.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
I don't shoot now snake or coyote or something like
that's coming out in a bobcat. I'll defend myself. And yes,
I am a good shot. I've been taught well. But
I think as far as shooting one of the watchers,
it would probably be non beneficial at all because I
(58:57):
don't think a normal It have to be something very
big and you'd have to hit them in the right spot.
I know that. I call it the shimmer. They can
be standing right close to you and turn sideways and
you won't see them. They have that ability. It's I
don't think I think it's like a chameleon type thing,
(59:18):
like it's one of their protections. I don't think it's
magical or whatever. I think it's just part of their
ability to hide. You know, we got the Yeah, so
the chameleon can hide right in plays like a snake
can be laying at your feet and you won't see it.
Speaker 5 (59:38):
You know, you're right, all right, Donna?
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Is there anything that you're working on any projects, anything
you want to promote, anything you want to just share
for people to go check out.
Speaker 4 (59:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Again, the reason I do this is Watchers means a
lot to me. They're my family. We have a lot
of things going in. The world is changing, and with
the world changes and are forest coming down and people
putting more homes in, there's gonna be more interactions. And
I'm not I'm not out here to make money or
(01:00:21):
or be famous or anything like that. The only thing
I want to do is to make sure that everybody's
predicted because one day, you know, somebody's gonna move into
the woods, they're going to have a home or have
a child in the yard, and one of these guys
are going to walk out and they're going to freak out.
And yeah, just said they are unpredictable. Mostly they'll leave
(01:00:43):
you alone if you leave them alone.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
But the real quick Donna the Wood, getting back to
the question from Robert with the LPs, he was talking
about the little people. Oh, I have any experience with those.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I My grandpa was an irishman. He came here in
the seventeen hundreds. He was the first one that married
the Shawnee woman. So yeah, we We love some stories
of the little people and different things you know that's
been shared that way. Mine is mostly the Native heritage,
(01:01:21):
but I do have my.
Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Grandpa. They called him Redbill, had.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Fire red hair and big red beard, and he's buried
in the woods. So I visited his grave and still
tended and that was I have letters from seventeen ninety seven. Wow,
I'm handed down to me, so they've been very well preserved.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
And so yeah, well, Donna, thank you so much, ma'am.
We're taking the time to come and hang out with
us again. Very very interesting stuff. I can't get enough
of the Native America and step anybody I can talk
to to learn more, I want to. So I greatly
appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Oh, I've had a great time. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yes, ma'am, thank you so much. You enjoy the rest
of your evening.
Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Hi we on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
All right, bye.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
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We thank you. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day, Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze, Secrets
kept by ain, shoot trees, dog man house echoes in
(01:04:00):
silent too.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Tracks.
Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
We five, but answers none. Hunt the truth that's just begun.
We're searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out
(01:04:27):
of sight in the forest heart where shadows lay seeking
see chrits in the twilight through the fall a shape
did glye skin walker eyes wide, legends of Oh, we
(01:04:55):
chase to night in the dark. Our lanterns right by
the cree quil water spill whispers rye. The windsow chill,
full of steep man tails on top in this land,
(01:05:18):
the myths of old. We're searching past the fire light
full creatures hidden out of sight in the forest hard
(01:05:40):
where shadows lay, seeking sea chrits. In the twilight break,
it is as
And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Sneaking up on them.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
As soon as you walk in the woods, you walk.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In their front door, thinking that you are going to
surprise them. You're only kidding yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have got to get out of our heads that
anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in my opinion,
that we have to learn about these creatures right now
is by listening to and talking to those that have
experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and experienced them
in their own environment.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening bear, a support pold for those who have
had their own encounters with that which is not supposed
to exist.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Have seen something.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Before we get started, I want to address the elephant
in the room, or I guess the elephant the giraffe
that's not in the room. I guess I should say
Miss Tiffany is not here. She has decided. I mean,
I guess the winds of change have.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Blown her way.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
She is on to bigger and better things. And wish
her nothing but the absolute best. She is my little sister.
I love her so much. The show has just grown
so much with her. She's responsible for so much of it.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Still love her.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Not going to get into a whole lot of details,
and I wish her nothing but the best. She's been
my little sister for a few years now, and she
knows a lot of my secrets. I know a lot
of hers and think nothing but the best of her.
I love her, and she is going to go on
to do amazing things. Thank you so much for the
(02:53):
time that you gave us. Tiffany. We love you and
we're going to miss you. Your beautiful, You're talented, your love,
You're awesome, and I thank you for everything. So moving
on from that, obviously, there's some changes coming up. It's
just gonna be me for a little while. I don't
know how long. But I used to do it by
(03:14):
myself all the time, so ain't that new to me?
Just be a little more work, So I'm gonna do
some make some other changes, like the podcast. Those of
you that listen to the podcast and not just catch
it here, y'all, y'all have noticed that I do all
of the paying of the bills and the call to
actions at the end of the show. So I think
(03:36):
I'm gonna give that a shot and try to start
getting to our guests a little bit quicker. Alright, everybody,
I am so very excited to have our guests backstage.
We had her on I don't think it's been a
month ago, it's been a few weeks. But everyone loved her.
Her stories were amazing. She comes from a Native American background.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
She sent me some pictures today that I can't explain.
I don't know what we're looking at in these pictures.
It's hair. It's absolutely hair, but it's like six feet
of hair, like dreaded, and we're going to show that
to you. I'll bring that up early before we really
get into anything, because I don't know what the hell
(04:20):
they found. I want her to talk about that and
tell everybody kind of what to expect. But all of
that being said, well, before we do, let me just
say hello to everybody in the chat that has joined us. Troy,
what's up, Buddy? Been talking to you today? Always fun,
Alex still the best dollar night, and thank you buddy.
(04:43):
Chris Blaylock. You know I love you, ma'am. You are amazing.
Robert my brother from another mother. Thank you so much
for hanging.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Out, buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Bobby Sledge, where you been, man? You're a neighbor now
you live like ten minutes down the road.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Where have you been?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Thanks for tuning in, Bobby, appreciate it very very much. Ristol,
as always, he is always here. Erica, thank you so much, ma'am.
I enjoyed spending time with you last weekend. Stormy. You
know how we feel about you, ma'am. Thank you so
much for hanging out. And there are others, but I'm
(05:21):
just not seeing them. Other people will tune in. Goony
goog hit us with the dollar ninety nine as always,
that two dollars a week. We can count on. That's
like taxes right there. You know we can count on that.
Two bucks a week from Gooney, Thank you buddy. All right, Alan,
what's up, buddy, Alan from Cadillac, Michigan, My great Dane brother.
(05:45):
Thank you so much for tuning in. Kevin Jones, Kevin,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I love you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
We've been talking a little bit recently. Thank you for
tuning in. All right, let's get to our guests. Miss Donna.
Oh god, I hope I pronounce this right. Copus Capus.
She's going to correct me right now. Hello, how are
you doing.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
How are you doing? Very very well? Pronoun your last name? Man,
Copus Copus.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I knew I had it right. I'm smarter than the
average bear.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ye believe me, it's been. It's been pronounced. One time
I got it was like Calpus, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What so you said, Calpus? Is that what you said?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It was? It was somebody you know, It's like what
and it's like is that? I was like, no, you
gotta do Copus?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, uh, you came on a few weeks ago and
it was just it was a great show.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Everyone loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We everyone was asking you to come back, and I
thank you so much for we're taking the time to
come and hang out with me tonight. It's all some
of you. You sent me some pictures today, and I
don't know what the hell to make of these pictures.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Maybe you do.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I don't think you do because of judging our conversation,
but I'm just gonna go ahead and pop them up
and tell me what in the hell y'all found and where?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, that is a humongous amount of hair. There's no
skin on it. It's like dreadlock. It's about six foot
long and it's wide, you know, it's like a foot
and half two feet wide. It's huge. I mean I
actually stood on the chair and held it. I'm five
(07:45):
foot three and it's way longer than I am tall.
I do hikes. I hike. I hiked ten miles, but
I have a special place I go through. It's waterfalls,
and we found all kinds of stuff there before where
I found like the pittified foot. I don't know if
I sit you a picture or not, but it's like stone.
(08:05):
It has three toes and you can see the cloths
in that. There's two of them. One is independent and
flat on you know, you can see the bones in
the back of it where it's petrified. The other one's
in the stone well that in that waterfalls. It's right here.
My son saw it sticking.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Up on the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Of course, we've had a lot of rain and you know,
some flooding, and so he started pulling. And the more
he's pulling, the more of that is coming out, more
and more and more. And finally I said stop because
there's more there, there's more. And I said stop because
then it started clicking in my head. It's like, well wait,
(08:48):
because we could be messing up DNA, you know that
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It smells like skunk.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Wet earth, which it's in the ground, you know, and
there's some there's some little you know, like sticks and
vonnees because it's in the ground.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We've literally pulled it out of being buried. It was buried.
What it is I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, I don't get it. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What what is this six foot long clump of dreadlocked
hair buried?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean it's like it's coarse, it's like human hair,
but very coarse, coarse human hair. I didn't have a
taxidermist look at it and He's like, I don't know
what the heck that is. He's like like a beefalow,
but they don't have that kind of long hair, and
it would and that's all together, you know, it's like
(09:46):
it was like you would cut somebody's dreadlocks off, you know,
from but there's no skin, if there's no skin attached
to it, it's just the hair.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Then to answer your question, she's in oh she's in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Are you northern south, south, southern.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Southeast, southeast Ohio? And this was found under a waterfall.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yep, their waterfall, you know. I on there's like two
waterfalls there and this one there's like my my grandson
is found. Like I said, there's petrified foot is like
it's huge. I might have sent you a picture of it,
but it you can see like the nails are like
(10:33):
maybe two and a half three inch long nails. Nails,
they're nails, you know, like claws.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And you can see that petrified in that stone foot.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well it's not you know, it's a petrified foot, so
it's turned to stone like whatever. But it's like a
dinner plate size, a big dinner plate size. So whatever
it was, it was massive, and there's two of them.
We found two. One is you just got it out.
The other one it's actually attached to a rock. There's
(11:06):
like a big rock and it's setting on top of it.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Now I'm trying. I want to go back on it.
You said claws.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't see where where.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
It was like you would take like you take your
fingers like you know, you put your fingers out like this, okay.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
And there's the claws.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's like claws, like as long as your fingers is
that's how long the claws are. It's like it's like nails,
but it's like long, like you would grow your nails out,
and you know, like like like pterodactyl clalls or something,
you know, like claws are in that there.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's and I want to see this in person because
I feel like fakers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Aren't really doing it much justice.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
No, it's I had a few straight over the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, I did your show, and then the next week
Mike Miller, I did your show. I was listening to
it because he comes here, I actually do I got
you the time and he was doing the you and
so we're doing his calls. Well, where I'm setting up
My house sits up against the woods, and I have
(12:26):
my bathroom window open because like all country people, I
take my dryer vent off in the winter time. When
I run my dryer, it heats my bathroom and helps
to heat him. I had to put it on side.
I have this great big window, it's like I can
walk out it, and I just sted it back. Well,
I've been setting listening to the podcast and getting to
the end with the calls, and I went back there
(12:49):
and I was like, all crap, I.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Forgot that window open.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Of course, the creek's right there, within ten feet in
my window, there's the creek and there's a big tree.
I heard something and I got this whiff, you know,
I get this whiff of the kind of skunky smell,
and so I know I had no screen in this window.
There's no screen.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I stuck.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I had the phone in my hand because I'm listening
to your show on my phone. So I stuck my
phone out and I took two pictures and I sent
you those pictures of what that the face that I
got that night.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So yeah, I couldn't make much out. And there's a
to be honest on this show, Donna, we we don't
really share a whole lot of pictures that can't be
really to what they are.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Just believe me, if you see it, and I'm not
saying it sending it to you, you see it on
my phone, you would.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
See what I was talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was a big surprise my granddaughter who's seven, she's
been staying with me since school was out, and she
had told me she saw something looking in the window.
I thought, you know, kid being kids, she just reflection
or whatever. But it scared her so bad that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
She went home. She won't she won't stay. But and
then I found that a few days later. I found that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But I honestly, I mean, that's this is one of
the coolest things I've seen. And you only send it
to me today, yeah, maybe yesterday, And I just I
don't know what the hell to make of that much hair? Well,
I well, you see how that much hair and what
dreads it like that?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It is?
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I talked to.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Have found the corpse of a bigfoot and that was
just hair that come off of it.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I mean, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I honestly, you know, I have I have talked to
different people.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I talked to the taxi dermist.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I spoke to well, I talked to Tim sometimes and
he's like, well, I was worried. I was like, well,
I touched it, so I probably messed up any DNA
I put. You know, ours is in there where we
pulled it, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And he's like, well, just maybe try to find a
spot where you didn't touch it and kind of peace
out that way.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But he's he's like, I suggest that you put it
away right now, and.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Then what do you have it? What do you have
it secured in? What do you have it stored in? Donna?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I took like a garment bag, you know, like what
you from dry cleaner.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And I kind of put it down in there.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did you like vacuum seal it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I have it vacuum sealed it, but I kind of
put it down in there and seal it because it
was wet.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So you can imagine it's dry and.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You can see, like I said, there's sticks and little
vines where it's it's been there for a while because
the vines has grown through it, you know, like little
teeny tiny vines has grown through it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I want to know what this is I honestly, I
don't know. We need to stay on top of this,
stay in touch with me and get this turned in.
I'll talk to whoever I need to. You know, I
have connections people I know through the community to.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
See who we can talk to.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Maybe even cut it up, like send samples of you
ain't got to send the whole thing to somebody, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Well, that's what Tim suggested.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's like kind of you know, maybe go into center
pit gloves on, be careful and try to find a place,
you know, where you have a touch so we can
just get.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You know, I never I've never heard I've never heard
any anywhere History channel, nothing of people finding a six
foot long hair hair that looks like what should be
on a big foot.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
We don't have b below or you know that kind
of stuff around here. There's none that's certainly not horse hair.
That's like cattle hair.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
She uh, it looks like long ass human hair.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
That's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And it looks like uh, my person that dreadlocked you know, uh,
since since.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
They were born.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I call them white boy dreads. There's a difference between
white boy dreads and then the African American guys, the
black guys there, because that's like more braided and stuff
that looks like white boy dreads to me.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Can you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Here's the.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I mean, where is it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Why can't I?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
There?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It is sorry that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
This is the foot the foot of what.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I have no idea. You see how big it is?
And now see it on the end.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That is as hell too.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
That's just where this came Where that came from? This
where this came from?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Is that a cast or is that a bone?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No? This is this is uh shine a light one. No,
it's making it No, it's making it too much. Back off,
it's too much.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Are looking at this is petrified like uh like stone.
But if you could see don't move back to Jeremy
because that's too.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That looks like alien ship right there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So, but can you see the can you see the toes?
There's three toes and this is smooth right here. It's
like the nail you see, yeah, two three and the leather.
Now there was another right here, but it's broken off. Okay,
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And this is what the backside of it looks like.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So did y'all find that in the area of the hair.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, same place, same waterfalls. So I have no idea
what he found this a few years ago. But we
find artifacts there. I found all kind of native artifacts, arrowheads,
paint pots, ceremonial type things. So I don't because, like
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I said, I'm in the country. So when it floods
that little creek, it washes down for miles and miles
and miles. When I first bought the property, it was vacant.
There's nothing here.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Stay tuned for more.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But the big floper for We'll.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Be right back.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
They had logged out, really really old timber.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My water comes from springs. I don't have city water.
I have springs that feed to my house.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't even have a wheel pump water.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, And that was the first thing I looked for,
because like I still do the old ways.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I still harvest the roots.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I have my own.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well. My dad, when I bought the place, there's twenty
three acres. He handed me the script giant ten can
of gen san Berri's and he's like, now go playing
him and you'll always have money in the bank.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know, meaning which is true?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You know my my saying I never take anything less
than a fourth prong and then it's always all my
berries are replanted, so and it's about a thousand dollars
a pound.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
So you know, at the.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
End of the year, I want to I need extra
money or I want to harvest.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But I have the other roots too, I have yellow root.
I have everything. You know, it's kind of I don't
let anybody on my property. I don't. If I hunt,
I just hunt for food or I'm going to donate it,
or you know, I don't. It's kept private so well.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I definitely I definitely hope that that you and I
can stay in touch, is you know, just find out
what the hell is going on with that hair and
that possible foot, because I mean, if I any any
way I can help you to get answers, I definitely will.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I'll start asking around.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Maybe you already have an avenue to get some answers,
but I would like to get them.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's that was a surprise I've never seen, I've never found.
And you know what else happened though, because I found
that and I took the as soon as I brought
it in, it was wet. I took those pictures. There's
like two pictures. That's all I got then next morning
I decided I laid it out on my couch so
it would be the full length, and I wanted to
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get a picture, you know, because I was talking to Tim.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It wouldn't let me.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I couldnot take the picture. It would not let my
phone work. It would not I'd tried another camera, I
tried another front in no way, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I It's like physically not let you take a picture.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I can not take a picture. I mean I took
other pictures with the same thing and it worked fine,
but when I tried to do that, it wouldn't. It
wouldn't work. Now I've experienced that before because I have
different places that I go and there's a cave that
I do gifting in and it happens there when I
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get close. Because I go in becuse you have to
have flashlight or something. My flashlights won't work. My batteries
go dead as soon as I get close. So I
keep an old time torch with you know, you wrap
the rag with scar sene on it, and you you know,
I keep those at the entrance. So when I go in,
that is my life because I take my I make
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my cakes and that kind of things.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I leave in there.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That's my gifting site. So I'm used to some of
the hum and you know, knocking your batteries out, that
kind of stuff. But I was like, I don't know.
I got those two pictures and I was amazed. I
was like, why why won't it work now? Because I
got these too. But when I just I just literally
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just brought it, you know, pulled it and brought it in.
So I don't know. I can't explain that one either.
Don't have an explanation for it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But no, unfortunately we don't. It was about them all right.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Well, from when we had you on last I know
a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Of people were very very interested in some of these
stories from your elders, like your grandparents, and because you're
Native American, right, and I know all kinds of stories
have had to have been passed down, and I know
I would personally would love to hear some of those.
If there's a few of those that you can share
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with us, just experiences, things they learned, things they experience,
or just just anything. It doesn't have to be creepy,
just you know what your people experience from these things.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Well, like I said, with us, we call them the
watchers I've had I've been attacked over that name, talking
about the angels that came down and bread with the humans.
But that's not what we mean when we say watchers.
We mean these are our protectors that watch us over us.
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I don't you know, I don't get into the religious
thing or anything like that, but what I did say was, well,
shawn Ee, we didn't have a Bible. You know, white
man brought the Bible. And I have nothing against the
Bible or religion. I was raised both ways. I want
to make that very clear. We call them Creator the
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Great Spirit. And with the story that was told about
how the watchers came to be, you know, the moonlight
people came. They had children with our people, not just
our people, I don't think, I think other tribes or
other racists, whatever, and they were left behind as.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Our protectors of those children.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And what I do know is, and I've talked to
different people about like the negative the rh factor of
the oak, you know, the negative blood.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
My whole family has that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I mean to the point that it's very dangerous at
times because of the blood disorder.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
That was one the blood type you're talking about, yes.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
The blood type, because the negative if you searched back,
you find out that that negative came into effect after
this was something they found later on. And with that
rh factor, it seems like anything that anybody that has
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a lot of interactions with the watchers will be of
a negative blood. So I you know, I've had stories
told about that from my elders. When we talked about
the dog man again, I'm not real sure I did
have that. Last year in October was the first time
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I saw anything that I even thought was a dog man,
and it wasn't here on my property or close to me.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
This is so your elders, your ancestors, didn't talk much
about the dog man.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
They did tell me the story and they said the
dog men were created by the shaman to help battle.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
There was a battle going on that some.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Of the of the the medicine men, you know, the
shaman had turned bad and they were doing bad things
and they were using the watchers to help them do this,
and the watchers had turned bad with them.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
That's the reason why Dad always said, there's good and
there's bad. You know, you have to be very careful.
I have things that I have to do, a special
sights that I do, special things in but at that
time they said they created the dog men to help
them battle the watchers. They had to have something of
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equal strength because they're a lot stronger than humans.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Now, the dog men is two different things.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
There is there is the warriors that are the dog men,
and they're fierce warriors. And when they went into battle,
they were actually they put a leash around yourself and
they staked theirself to the ground and they and they
fought to the death. You know, they never unleashed theirself
through that whole battle. They would not pull they would
under penalty of death that they ever pulled that leash.
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They are anchored down and they stay there till they
they either win or they die.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
That is the way. That's that's another.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Form of thing that doesn't sound very fun.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
And well, like I said, there's my lineage is from
what we call the ice Maiden. It was a female warriors,
very very fierce warriors. And like I said before, they
always said, pray to God, the men get you, not
the women.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You don't want them to get you.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So they were very a very special sect. And my
training I started, I was taking what I twelve, you know,
I grew up being taught different things. But at the
age of twelve, it's when you go to the cave
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and that's when you're your training starts. So but as
far as the watchers, I've always seen a last six.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
When Dad introduced me the first.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Time to them, he taught me, like the stones, the
marker stones, the tree shelter, all that what it means.
I've never, like I said, I had a couple of
things that happened that was kind of violent, but they
weren't really directed towards me. Last year, I actually had
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almost had a long throy through my windshield because I
was leave an early of the morning to go pick
up another family member to take them and dough deer.
There was like a ten foot bank and she come
laying out in front of my car.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
She dove off. She didn't go down the bank.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
She dove off and just splattered four legs out into
the road and I stopped.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
She's scared, just terrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
She's you know, like gets up and finally gets across
the road and I went about fifty more feet when
the fawn came off the same bank and I look
up and I'm thinking something's chasing them, and there on
the bank is a juvenile and he has a log
of probably six foot long, probably twelve inches, you know,
it's a big and it's broken hall and he's got
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it up and I'm thinking, crap.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Is going to go through my windshield just any second.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And at the last second he threw it to the
side and he did like a teenager huffing.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You know, he's mad.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So he stomps and he huffs, and he threw it
to the side and he went back through the woods.
But I guess that was his way of saying, you know,
you just screwed me all over.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I hadn't get no breakfast, but so you witnessed this juvenile.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, we had all that logging.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
There's the big areas like four hundred acres where they
mostly stay, and they were logging that out really bad.
So they were traveling around moving. That's when I seen
we had more sightings. Other people had sightings too. But
thank god they've wit logging and they can they've moved
back up into the valley. The Shawnee name for this
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valley is the Valley of the Dead, because not only
it's a burial we have our mounds there. We have
some old billing sites and you see some creepy things
there at times. You see the orbs. I've seen the
child where they were logging. It actually drug logs through
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a burial and I was walking around through there and
they tore out a lot of stones. And as I
come around the curve, I look, there's another girl with
me and I go, oh, there is a she goes child.
It's because she finished my sentence. She saw it at
the same time I did, and it's just like it's gone.
So there's things were disturbed, but which kind of made
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things a little hectic around here.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
People ask me about the watchers and cemeteries.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Good question, good question.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
The watchers, like I said, you have your own watch.
I have my watcher and my dad had of his,
which he's very old. But when you pass away, they
go to that they follow you to that cemetery. Shawnee
believe in reincarnation, so the watchers wait for that soul
to be reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
They watch. So there's a whole thing about stone eggs,
and that would be a.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Very long conversation. But so there is a reason that
they're there. I mean, it's it's not like they're creepy
and trying to eat bodies or anything like that. They're
actually watching, they're watching their charges.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, but what is it about?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, I've heard so many stories about bigfoot sightings
around cemeteries. A couple of our active areas are near cemeteries.
I mean, I don't is it. There's so much speculation,
and that's all that it is at this point is speculation.
Are they like are they honoring the dead?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yes, if you look in that cemetery, here's your clue.
Whatever cemetery, You're going to go to that cemetery and
look for the dates on the tombstons, okay, and you
will find something dating back to early eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Given you're going to find.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Old grades green hundreds.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And when you find those old graves and you're setting
up to do research or whatever, you're going to find
out that they're going to be hanging around those old grades.
Those are their charges.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Why are they hanging around the old graves, don't I.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
That's because it's well, like me, I have my own watcher.
He's mine.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
He's going to watch over me till I die, and
when I die, it will come to my grave and
watch over my grave.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So when does he die?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Honestly, my dad, my dad would be like one hundred
years old if he was alive.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
His watcher is still here. He's very old. And so
you know, I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
You know, I can't say that they don't die because actually,
with something last year that I'm not a loud to
talk about, I got very I was told very thoroughly
to shut my mouth and not talk about it. Who well,
I can't say that where other people will hear me
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say that, but I could maybe discuss that with you later.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
It was a very.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Disturbing thing that happened. And because I try, like I said,
I go through the woods all the time. I have
different areas, I have access to places that other people
don't get into.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And it was a very very horrifying and very.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I just I just cried.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I was just so.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
But within about three days I got contacted and told
to you.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Know, mind, my manners can keep it quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So I have to honor their wishes to get so
that I can have access to where I need to go.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I have to honor their wishes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I get the free Lene. There's so much more you're
not telling us.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I am a little older and I have been taught
and my dad. Uh, like I said, last two years
of dad's life, he shared everything with me. He taught me,
he cautioned me because he was very protective. Uh, you
know they're protective of us, we're protective of them. There
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are family. Uh it was like, you're crazy. You know,
there's no such thing. You're nuts or I get I
got family members at tas whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's everybody do their.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Own opinion, opinions like bloodholes, everybody hats one.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
So's I don't argue about my rule.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I don't argue about religion.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I'll argue about politics and everybody can have their own
opinion and I'll have mine.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So it's not Is there a looking back the stories
that were passed down to you? I don't know how
to word this because I don't want to say. Let's
try this. Is there a story that was passed down
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to you where one a human like us, now you
or your family, your natives was protected by a sasquatch.
Does anything like that ring a bell?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Or yeah, last year when I got hit with the
flying cooler, Uh if it hadn't been for my failure
coming flying. He's a little failer. He ain't big like
the old man.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
If he had not he came down through there, like
about all of hell, I don't know what would have
happened to me. I mean, maybe he'd just chopped over
talk about me and went on because he was mad.
But mine came through those woods and he was there.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And like growing up like from me, like your your mother,
your father, your grandparents, just something where they protected like
from something else by a sasquatch.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Animal wise or you know where they came here. Yeah, yeah,
I had okay. Well, like I said, I was nine
and I lived on the big farm. It's like three
hundred acres, and I hated school. I was always skipping,
you know, I had to walk out to the school bus.
And I thought that day I was okay because that
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had I thought he'd already left for work. So when
I go down, i'd have to walk out and then
I go down the hill. Then I go I'd go
off through the woods, past the springs and hit the
creek and then I end up back up in the barn.
But on that day I went down there and I
had a dog with me, and there was a big
hollow log across the creek and my dog wouldn't go
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near it.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
She skidded up around the hill.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
When I went, I clumb over it, and as I
went over, there was a black panther came out the
end of the log. I know, people say, oh, there's
my black back. They're full of crap. They are here,
they've always been here, and so needless to say, scared
of beajamas out of me. And it's standing there looking
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at me, and I'm thinking, you know, I got to
get back up the hill. I got to get to
the barn. And of course that's Dad's a trapper and
a hunter, so he's beat in my head. Don't run.
Whatever you do something, don't run, you run, you become prey.
So I start moving slow. But as I'm moving slowly
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up through there, because I've had.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Mine has been around.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Two, you know, and it it followed in the woods
and that it was between me and that cat.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
The cat came behind too, but it didn't have you know,
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Stay tuned for more. But the big flop report, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
It was behind. It would not come past him.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
So by the time I got up to the barb
wire fence for my dad was waiting on me, let
me tell you, and I.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Fell through the fence and I was like, anything.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I could say was cat, cat cat, And Dad promptly
turned me around and kicked me in the butt and
broke his toe. Uh he you know, he's like I
told you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
So there's different times.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I go into the woods all the time, but I'm
not I'm cautious, but I always.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Feel their presence.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I don't, you know, I don't feel I was a
little concerned with what when I got the picture at
the bathroom window the other night. Is kind of concerned,
not so much for myself, but because my granddaughter was here.
And then I kind of got to think, and you
know what, maybe that is a young, young one and
it's not here for me. Maybe it's here for her
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because she's with me, and maybe that's hers.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Now that's scary.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
That's a scary thought. I mean, now, what do you
mean there for her too?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Because they start when you're young, they attach themselves to you,
not like no, that's not going to hurt her, But
when they're young, they're unpredictable. And my granddaughter is seven,
and she got scared of she comes outside pitch black
ass dark through to my house. She does like it's weird,
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and coyotes scared. Coyote scares me. I'm you know, and
they're coming in close here. I have bobcats that's coming
close into my barn. And that's what I'm afraid she'll
walk out on. But then, you know, I kind of
I think about things. I try to rationalize what is
this or what could that be? And then I got
to thinking, either or it's a young one that's lost
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it's mom and it's it's not smart enough yet to
stay as hidden as it should, or the ability hasn't
developed enough, because you got to think about these These
things are big, but they're young, you know, even when they're.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Babies, you know, they're big.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And as they grow up, I mean, it could be
the same age as her, it could be sad, you
know whatever in that years, but it's gonna be way
far far bigger, you know. So I thought, well, maybe
maybe that's hers. But if there's one child that is
truly more like me than anybody else, gets her. I
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mean I have other granddaughters, but they don't they're more cautious.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
They never was. She just isn't afraid. She just is
not afraid.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
That worries me because that did pound out in my head.
You know, you'd be cautious, use your brain. You know
there's good and bad and everything, and you don't know
what's going to be bought. So I'm still kind of
scratching my head on that one, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I mean the whole aspect of Bigfoot and Native
Americans just fascinates me. I have so many like thoughts
and questions and everything, like the cave drawings, total poles.
We've seen total poles with these things that.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Look like a big foot.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Can you speak to that at all?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Well, Like I said, I have a family member that
he's a paleographer. He deciphered res each in languages, and
we have traveled a bit and to a lot of
the Pictulis sites which you will find references to the watchers.
You see, we have one it's in Jackson here, it's
Leo Pitty Cliffs Sight And when you pull into the
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parking lot they put the fifty clift site. It's actually
under a shelter so you could just drive up and
get out and walk over there and see it. Uh,
it's kind of fade and then people people are so
terrible about the graffiti and the disrespect, you know, the
whole thing. They destroyed so much. But you'll find them there,
(44:30):
you know. And we have another sight here. It's called
the Adscony Footprint Sight, and in that it actually has
the footprints in the story of the watchers in the
Shawnee and a battle that they fought, So it's it's
depicted in in the glipse there. And the amazing thing
(44:52):
about that was another stone on top and the footprint
that the foot is down like like it would have
stepped in it when the rock was hot and just
melted down and it formed that way.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's not mud.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This is a stone, and I think it was like
eighteen inches long.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
It's pretty massive.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
But where somebody came and took the top of the
cliffed off and took it away.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
So again it's.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's the reason I don't tell sites, because if anybody
knows where anything is, even our burial mounds.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
To this day, they will dig up a burial mountains.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
So I'm very cautious.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
But then in the areas where the mountains are. These
are in the woods.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
This isn't a cemetery or these are mountains in the woods,
and the watchers are in that area, they still guard
the sites.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Kay, all right, well we have Normally we wouldn't get
to the questions this quickly.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Jesus Christ. We have a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
People are wanting to know, so we're going to try
to get through these as quickly as possible to be
respectful of everyone's time.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
First off, going to go to it.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Thank you so much, buddy, you are amazing, always hitting
us with that dollar ninety nine supersticker. My great great friend,
my brother from another mother, Kevin Jones, is he going
to be sampled?
Speaker 5 (46:37):
I think he's talking about your dead.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
The hair, the hair.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I think that I'm going to let one gentleman help
me with that because I'm not a researcher. I don't
you know. I am who I am, and I do
what I do a researcher, I am not. So I
have talked to him and he's given me some advice
and he has somebody, so I think that's probably what
(47:04):
I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
He I okay, all right, Well that goes along with
the next one, mister h Troy two fingers. I know
a guy at Vanderbilt University that would love to do
DNA on that.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Well, like I said, I.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
The one guy I've been for a couple of years.
He's been really helpful with me, and he's always very
honest with me in every way. If he says, hey,
I think that's crap, and I was like, okay, man,
you know you know more than I do. Uh, So
I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with him because he you know,
he's he's always.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Been there for me.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
So I'm gonna stick with him. But I will absolutely
share whatever I find.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I will be I mean, I think it's a good
idea to maybe get multiple sources. You know.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Well, I thought about that too.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I've seen the taxidermist first because I thought, well, maybe
it's something else, you know, because everybody's like, well, maybe
it's a wig, it's a synthetic you know, blah blah.
It's like, it's not, you know, it's it's not a wig.
It's hair. Uh And it's not you know, it's real.
(48:14):
Whatever the hair is, it's real hair. I mean, it's
not it's coarse, it's not a horse's tail. Well as
you can see how many horses tails you have to
have to be that.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I mean, I don't I don't think I've ever seen
anything as strange, like unexplainable than that.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Uh well, I have seen a lot of things in
my life, but I honestly this was the first.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Because you don't find stuff, you know, it's just not.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, I mean a pee, you know, like I talked
about pee. I've seen the pee where they mark their
territory and it's it's like thick, gummy, stinky, yucky. Uh
And in the times when they're having their babies and
giving birth and are mating time, man, it can get
(49:08):
really round, rawnchy.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I've seen that this hair smelled like skunk, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
It's got that skunky smell that smells like earth.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Of course it was in the ground, so you know
you're going to get that earthy smell like the leaves, rotten.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Leaves, and so it has a it has an odor.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah. All right, well let's uh, let's get to the
try to get to the next one, Miss Chris Blaylock.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Was that foot found in water?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
It was found that.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
The water falls in the Yeah it was it.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Was in the water.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, well, Jeremy, my grandson is standing here. Who he
is the one that found it?
Speaker 1 (49:59):
You says, yes, okay, okay, all right, Troy. Are there
caves near where the footprint was found?
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Absolutely, we live on top of the cave system here.
There's massive caves here.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Okay their acts? Was there more hair lift at the waterfall?
Was there more hair lift at the waterfall?
Speaker 4 (50:25):
There is more hair there that we did not pool.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I I haven't had a chance to go. I've been
taking I have a cousin has cancer and I take
her every day for cancer treatment, and my weekends is
my free time. But that's also the time I gotta
do everything else at home.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
And I didn't do the all week.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
So I haven't had a chance to go back. And
I didn't want my son to go by myself. So
there where I can walk through the woods and I'm safe.
The watchers can get a little more unfriendly to him,
shall I say? You know, he doesn't he doesn't bother anybody.
(51:09):
But he was actually working up by the barns, and
that was day before yesterday, and he had He's like, Mama,
I'll tell you it's in the tree. It actually broke
a tree limb of high above where he was at,
and this tree limb was probably by eightiach tree limbs fairly,
(51:33):
which if it would have came down and hit him,
it probably would have killed him. I mean, so sometimes
they don't like people being real close to me. That's
another thing. So I don't know whether they were just
protesting him being in that area at that time, or
(51:57):
whether they were after more of my chickens.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
So are you know? But so I don't. I just
don't want him to get by hisself. I'll go back with.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Him, all right. Moving to the next one, mister Troy,
How deep underground was the hair buried or slash covered?
What was the substrate lot where the plants growing on
top of it? Do you have any pictures of it
being removed?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
No, I didn't have anything with me.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
I did not, And as you I told you, I
took a picture of the hair when I got home
and didn't know nothing would work. But what it was
it was like seeing something sticking off from it, or
like mossy, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
It was.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It's been there long enough for some foliage to grow
and some it's like mossy and over top of it.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Uh, it wasn't real deep.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
But again we had the flooding which washed that area out,
so it could have been down even deeper in the ground.
But with the you know, with the because it comes,
the water comes, and we've had a lot in this area,
so that it was like he just runched down and
(53:08):
started pulling, you know, just like a rope pull pull,
and it's just coming more.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
And more and more, and it's.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Getting bigger and bigger, and that's why. And he actually
kind of broke it off, uh from you know where,
So there quite possibly is something else down in there
when I think about it, you know, with and in
(53:35):
regards to seeing them and their you know, their hair.
They have long hair too, you know. Uh it's not
like well, I guess it would be fur, but it's
more hair and it hangs, you know, it hangs down.
So I, you know, I can't say that's what that is.
I don't know what it is. I you know, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Biffled.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
But yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
My buddy, Kevin, Oh my, with the research I'm doing,
this is right up my alley. I need to make
time with this lady, so we will get you in touch.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Kevin.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
All right, moving on, Catherine McSwain, What does dn't I
think about orbs?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
I see orbs in the area, the same area. I
actually have them on my trail camps.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
I have to go up a trail to get back
up into there, and I have had massive orbs. It's
funny because they come down like they will shoot off
the side and then up the trail. They are different colors,
but it's almost like they're following or walking. Uh So,
(54:52):
I yeah, yeah, orbs, I see orbs.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Okay, Troy, when was your first When was your very
first encounter with the being we commonly referred to as beakfoot?
I six six.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Six years old digging roots with my dad.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
That's right, you shared that on the very first the
first time you were on.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
We were digging a yellow root patch and it was
within thirty feet of where I was setting. Me and
died had been digging. Like I said, you know, at
that time, I wanted to go to the fair, and
Dad's rules was you have to make so much your
own money. So he took me up there and we're
digging a big yellow root patch. He stood up. My
(55:40):
dad just cheered tobacco and he walked over that stump.
He took his china back out and laid on the
stump and he told me, Kamoo, won't go. And of course,
you know, I didn't want to go because I was
making my money for the fair. And I kind of
grumbled a little bit and he just got it by
the hands and you know, como won't go. And as
we walked away, I turned around and looked back and
(56:02):
it was probably eight foot tall. It stood up right there,
took the tobacco, and of course I'm scared. And his
dad just kind of shook my hands that come on,
now you leave him alone. You'll leave you lane. And
then he walked up through the woods and we went
the other way. And that was the first time I
(56:23):
saw you know, I think that was Dad's introduction for me.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
It was time for me to learn.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And that was because that was what started my from
then on, my teaching started. The trail marchers. I was
always in the woods with Dad. You know, he dad
trapped for living. I mean he trapped, he hunted, he
dug the roots.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
That was part of I.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
Mean, he had a job. He was a farmer too,
but he also did that. My dad was worn I
teen twenty seven and a log cabin.
Speaker 4 (56:53):
In the woods. And I think he was three.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Or four when he first saw his first one, so
and my grandma before that.
Speaker 5 (57:02):
You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Robert Mattler, my good buddy. What are your thoughts or
experiences with LPs?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
And I don't know what that is? What's LP?
Speaker 4 (57:15):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
You have to explain to you, Robert, You're gonna have
to explain, buddy, hit us up, and while you were
doing so, we will move on. A Northwest native tractor tracker.
Do you know the lore about Gugwey, the Gougway Gugway,
They are the ones that are called the face eaters.
It's like a different type of big foot.
Speaker 5 (57:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, I do know there is different sizes. They look different,
Like the one thing I was telling you about last summer,
the one that I saw then was entirely different from
the ones I'm familiar with here. Mine are big and
strong and harry and and she was more feminine, more
(58:05):
human like features, with more human features. So I do
know there's different you know, I guess maybe it's just
like us, we have different races and maybe they.
Speaker 5 (58:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I would think right.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Lastly from Robert, do you feel protected in the woods.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm cautious. I'm not.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
You know, I carry a gun.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
I don't shoot now snake or coyote or something like
that's coming out in a bobcat. I'll defend myself. And yes,
I am a good shot. I've been taught well. But
I think as far as shooting one of the watchers,
it would probably be non beneficial at all because I
(58:57):
don't think a normal It have to be something very
big and you'd have to hit them in the right spot.
I know that. I call it the shimmer. They can
be standing right close to you and turn sideways and
you won't see them. They have that ability. It's I
don't think I think it's like a chameleon type thing,
(59:18):
like it's one of their protections. I don't think it's
magical or whatever. I think it's just part of their
ability to hide. You know, we got the Yeah, so
the chameleon can hide right in plays like a snake
can be laying at your feet and you won't see it.
Speaker 5 (59:38):
You know, you're right, all right, Donna?
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Is there anything that you're working on any projects, anything
you want to promote, anything you want to just share
for people to go check out.
Speaker 4 (59:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Again, the reason I do this is Watchers means a
lot to me. They're my family. We have a lot
of things going in. The world is changing, and with
the world changes and are forest coming down and people
putting more homes in, there's gonna be more interactions. And
I'm not I'm not out here to make money or
(01:00:21):
or be famous or anything like that. The only thing
I want to do is to make sure that everybody's
predicted because one day, you know, somebody's gonna move into
the woods, they're going to have a home or have
a child in the yard, and one of these guys
are going to walk out and they're going to freak out.
And yeah, just said they are unpredictable. Mostly they'll leave
(01:00:43):
you alone if you leave them alone.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
But the real quick Donna the Wood, getting back to
the question from Robert with the LPs, he was talking
about the little people. Oh, I have any experience with those.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I My grandpa was an irishman. He came here in
the seventeen hundreds. He was the first one that married
the Shawnee woman. So yeah, we We love some stories
of the little people and different things you know that's
been shared that way. Mine is mostly the Native heritage,
(01:01:21):
but I do have my.
Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Grandpa. They called him Redbill, had.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Fire red hair and big red beard, and he's buried
in the woods. So I visited his grave and still
tended and that was I have letters from seventeen ninety seven. Wow,
I'm handed down to me, so they've been very well preserved.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
And so yeah, well, Donna, thank you so much, ma'am.
We're taking the time to come and hang out with
us again. Very very interesting stuff. I can't get enough
of the Native America and step anybody I can talk
to to learn more, I want to. So I greatly
appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Oh, I've had a great time. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yes, ma'am, thank you so much. You enjoy the rest
of your evening.
Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Hi we on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
All right, bye.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Bye, Hey everybody, Thank you so much for checking out
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Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day, Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze, Secrets
kept by ain, shoot trees, dog man house echoes in
(01:04:00):
silent too.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Tracks.
Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
We five, but answers none. Hunt the truth that's just begun.
We're searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out
(01:04:27):
of sight in the forest heart where shadows lay seeking
see chrits in the twilight through the fall a shape
did glye skin walker eyes wide, legends of Oh, we
(01:04:55):
chase to night in the dark. Our lanterns right by
the cree quil water spill whispers rye. The windsow chill,
full of steep man tails on top in this land,
(01:05:18):
the myths of old. We're searching past the fire light
full creatures hidden out of sight in the forest hard
(01:05:40):
where shadows lay, seeking sea chrits. In the twilight break,
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