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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now serene Portugal braces for Trump tariff effect. And that's
why I've called it riffing with Trump riffing and the
country is riffing with this. You know, a lot of
a lot of people are upset. I want to say, Pete, well,
a lot of people are upset. Let's face it, let's
be honest about it. Interesting time for humanity again, and
(00:22):
it's interesting to see the cultural responses.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So here, I'm I'm I'm holding back at the moment,
wondering you know.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You could have fooled me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, I'm I'm wondering if that's going to affect my business.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh yes, of course, a tariff on your on your
digital survey.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So you know, if you know, I wonder if when
it's announced, whether it will be backdating to the start
of his presidency. So where I'm having Americans to work
with me, I'm asking them to wait until the tariffs
have been announced because I'll probably have to up my
prices for the Americans.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Flipping it, Donnie, do something concedes Trump's tariff tirades. Trump's
tariff tirades.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Literation is that if she's being to the cold months. Yes, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The kind of Let's see if we can do more
of that as this. As this, Portugal is doing what
it does best. As US president, she I love the start.
We're doing what we do best. US President Donald Trump
threatens the world with tariffs and the pulling of overseas aid.
I think that's been pulled largely, hasn't it. It doesn't
like a large pulling first thing in the morning. Well,
multiple countries and world leaders reacting outrage. These are all quotes,
(01:43):
aren't they. Portugal is reacting with serenity, one of this
nation's greatest fallback words, along with tranquility. I like that.
We know that from our personal experience, don't we, MISSISSI.
You used to hear it a lot when we first
got here. Lord calm, yes, get hot under what I
what I coming in already.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I actually think the you know, being serene about it
is the right way forwards. Because when you're when you're
hot under the color, and you know, when you've got
you nickers in a twist, it's very difficult to make
clear rational next moves. It's very difficult to think about
things calmly and to make a good decision. You're not
(02:24):
you're not playing with a full deck of common sense
and so.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Full deck of common sense.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I remember those and like, if Portugal is reacting with serenity,
it's going to offer them a much greater flexibility in
terms of their responses. How how they choose to respond
will be I think more graceful and eloquent well, which
is unusual clearly, and I think that's underrated. But thinking
(02:53):
clearly is is really important in these times, especially when
the whole world thinks that nobody is thinking clearly or
somebody's not thinking clearly. Being the grown up in the room.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is to me that the Portugal they grown up in
the room.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
To me, it sounds like they're being the grandparent who
have seen things coming and seen things going.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, someone's got to be right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's important to see the bigger picture, I.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Think, James. By the way, terror shouldn't affect your prices.
Only for companies, James.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Because when I when I put my green tickets through,
I have to say where the business came from. So
I have to declare it. And you know, I think
that is done.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You're supplying a service into the United States, and I
thought which people will be working.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Which there will be American people doing similar things?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That I do.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Obviously they're not me and I'm not them.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But that's interesting, isn't it, Because it's to protect American businesses,
isn't it. You're not really a threat to them, are you.
You're in a very individual and anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't think I'm a threat to America at all.
The only thing that I'm a threat to is might
help relative America. Purpose of my business is to help
people feel good about themselves. Yeah, if anything, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Good for their that would be good for national morale.
Possibly at the moment. And having said threat to America
at least three times, I'm guessing a CIA tape is
started up somewhere. No one's going to be listening to.
Nobody were listening to because it will be fired, haven't
they anyway? Right? And I think you're uttered. The word
we'll see or the phrase wheels, that's what this is
(04:27):
all about. And very a wise man once said we'll see.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think it was James find out.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Let's see James, James Campbell. I think James here has
got a message for you. I sound like a psychic, now,
don't psych right? All right, Portugal will not be spooked
into saying anything untoward, nor will it be goaded into
making counter threats getting better and better. Isn't it? Not
well done? Natasha? Not so, not so a number of
other European leaders whose panties are certainly in the bunch,
(04:53):
not Natasha's words, but mine, who are clearly smarting over
the president's comments that Europe is an atrocity. Now you
shouldn't get upset about that, should You should just I
mean you should just laugh with such. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, it's just a judgment and a point of view,
and there might be there might be there might be
some points of view where that, you know, I mean,
Europe's a big place. There will be some things that
are atrocious and there were things that are really good.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, but it's not an atrocity.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, the whole the whole place of Europe isn't an atrocity.
But I mean, one thing I do notice is, you know,
you can listen to different news outlets and it's completely different.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, there's a thing, And I was thinking the way
I'm seeing people respond on social media at the moment,
it just feels so much like the pandemic with people say, well,
you can unfriend me if you like, and you know
all these sorts of those emotions are present again, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I understand that feels really real for people. People
are feeling massive amounts of emotion. You know, some people
are betrayed, Some.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
People are feeling which is an atrocity.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, some are feeling abandoned, But there are also equally
loads of people actually feel quite excited. So it's by
no means like a flat statement that things are atrocious,
because not everyone believes that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Not everyone is having that experience and for those who are.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, and I think it's important to have compassion for people,
no matter where they are in jy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, and I hope we learn that in the pandemic time.
You'll see again. Reading between the lines, however, one can
see that mister Trump's outrageous comments and cowboy like behavior
are already reaping rewards. His threats of twenty five percent
tariffs on Canada and Mexico have seen both countries fall
over themselves to try and address some of the President's concerns,
(06:41):
agreeing to time border measures against the flow of migrants
and the drug fentanyl. Fentanyl. Fentanyl and Tara's have thus
been suspended for a month.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess that's like we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
China has not been so obliging, but what appears to
be more. But that appears to be more because mister
Trump hasn't spoken to his power GI just yet as
the resident, he's my pal. As the Resident went suppressed,
the White House reported that he was due to As
for the EU, this is the important be, isn't it?
Portugal and the and the Europe. Well, the informal summit
(07:18):
earlier this week saw the likes of France's President Macon
on what is Maykron I think, as he's sometimes learned
in America, bristling with indignation and leading figures all promising
a firm response first thing in the morning and at
other times of the day. But Portugal's representative was surprisingly calm. Well,
(07:39):
you have to look at these issues realistically, and I
think Luis Montenegro, our PM here is is a lot
like Marcello in that way. We've got to look at
these issues realistically. In recent years, Europe has been overregulated
and has perhaps had over ambitious objectives in terms of
having I'm doing this voice for effect. He might sound
like this perhaps has had over us objectives.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Imagine a kind of like shoulder kind of like this kind.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Of yeah, in which Macorn does not appear to be
saying at the moment, you don't. I don't know what
a firm response in French is, but that is what
Manuel is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I've been slept around the face by a Frenchman for
saying firm response no no, But like I've been shown
a firm response in my twenty experience. I mean, I
lived in France for five years, So is that funny?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Again, when they're when they're firm about something, they are
firm about it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's all about points of view. Yeah, because I dreamt
of being slept around the face by French woman when
I was a kids. You probably didn't happen to.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You, not me, And it wasn't done in that kind
of I wasn't done in a kind of schoolboy fantasy style.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
French maid slaps. No.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It was like this old old campsite.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Owner around dream of air spun wouldn't move on. So
we perhaps the europe has had over ambitious objectives in
terms of having rules similar to those of other trading
blocks punching above our way. Possibly there the EU we
don't have to be a Nobel Prize winner in economics
to realize, and just in case you are a Nobel
(09:13):
Prize winner in virology, meteorology and now economics as well
as Middle Eastern affairs, you don't have to be one
of those to realize that the increase in tariffs on
products that contribute to price formation on the side of
American industries will have an impact on price increases increases,
he conceded, But mister Trump was elected based on the
popular vote of the Americans, and therefore we must respect
(09:37):
his positions. There we go Portugal, rule of law democracy.
The PM's serenity stood out among the otherwise fevered reporting
from Brussels. It's also served to highlight the political differences
within the block. Indeed, press reports from the Brussels summit
did not mention the reactions of right wing leaders like
Maloney Exackly Auban in Hungary. The impressions that the EU
(09:59):
was small was notably one side.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think that's a very good observation, because I'm pretty
sure most publications at the moment will be talking about
Europe's response, EU's response as if they're all in together.
But one thing that you know, I've noted over the
last couple of years is that there are parts of
Europe that don't feel quite the same as the rest
of EU. And of course they're smarting because if Trump's
(10:27):
changes to the way his government are organized, if like
sacking a load of people or giving people a different
option to work differently, like like shape up or ship
out kind of thing, if what he is suggesting works
really beautifully, then I imagine a lot of people in
(10:47):
Brussels could also be let go of you know, I mean,
I think what he like one of the things. Obviously
I'm not studying him or anything like that, but you know,
I've been speaking like I've spoken to clients that have
received the kind of notification that you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Devastating on an individual and personal level, Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It Isn't it isn't you know? I've spoken directly to
somebody who was absolutely devastated, and also spoken to somebody
who's actually excited by, you know, the new situation.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
How you have to be these days. I mean, we
wouldn't be in Portugal if I hadn't been made redundant exactly.
I'm not I'm not trying to be a poster boy
for you. Know it wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It freed up an opportunity for well.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know, in the end, you have to that's what
you have to do. You have to manage your own
sort of sovereignty and responsibility, don't you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean like we we worked for, you know,
one of the largest disability charities in the UK and
oldest and one thing that I know, and I've also
worked for a really really large charity in London and
one thing that lots of people say about charity sector
is they've got lots of bloated staff. Not like they're
physically bloated, but you know, the organizations have a bloated
(11:59):
like like a bloat of people that you can't get
rid of. Yes, And and you know they can be
seen as places where money comes in and then goes missing.
So I can understand why the EU might have, you know,
a firm response because they're afraid, Because yeah, I think
they're afraid.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean Eva makes a really good comment here, and
I think it's such a sign of the times of Eva.
I don't think anything is how it appears exactly. That's right,
very much like the and what media outlet reports objectively.
I don't think that's a question mark there. I don't
really know what is actually happening. And that's such an
interesting viewpoint because the only thing we I guess, we
(12:43):
can really know what's actually happening in any profound ways,
what's happening to us in our lives, isn't it. And
that's in a way maybe what we're being forced to do.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, you know, during like
the COVID narrative times and right now, I like my
client base in the States tends to be split right
down the middle.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And well, I mean, yeah, that's a thing, isn't it. Yeah,
And I know there are.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Some people who prefer to work with people from one
side or another.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What I notice is I have huge amounts of respect
for the points of view of everyone that I work with,
and they're all really nice people. I don't really work
with people who I didn't come across anyone actually who
is really nasty. I don think I've ever said that
to you. Oh my god, there's someone to put on
my block list. You know, people people have fear, but
(13:37):
people people have a level of fear that comes into
their decision making, and that would be based on their
childhood experiences and also what they get told by the
media and whether they believe it or not. And I
love I love what oceans put there.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's really smart. Let's go back to
Natasha and yeah, this is where Portugal has always had
its place, serene, somewhere in the middle of everything, but
not making any waves.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is an evolutionary process, and my conviction is that
the political dialogue must be the key if we are
to have the economic conditions to have good growth rates,
both in the United States and in Europe. The PM
told upturned microphones. In Portugal, the message from Minister for
the Economy ped del Rays was very similar, that there
is a game between large economic blocks and as such,
(14:26):
Portugal doesn't want to anticipate the moves or the results.
And it's not really that. I mean, it's somewhat influential,
but not massive, massively influential, so it can take this position.
Of course. Lisbon stocks started the week trading lower as
investors were described as bracing for the US tariff's outcome,
but by Tuesday they were already recovering, perhaps a sign
(14:46):
that people are reading into Trump's narrative and understanding much
more that it is a form of challenge, not something
set in stone. It is a this is what we want.
If you don't give us a lot of it, we
will hit you with tariffs. And I think Duck has
responded to that. When Trump wants ten, he asked for
a thousand. Have you not read the art of the
(15:07):
I have to admit I haven't, but we definitely get
the gist of that right there.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
What I get from these moves is, you know, not
so much the art like a deal or negotiation, but
I really see a dad or a granddad, you know,
because like if things were going on at our home,
like you know, when I was growing up, if if
there was a trouble and it felt like there were
things on the outside of our home that might have
been coming in to threatened, yeah, threatened the equilibrium. You know.
(15:37):
Like what a father does often is they kind of
they puff out their chest and we think, yeah, but
they do protect you know, like they'll they'll close the windows,
lock the gates, they might yeah, take that labors, they
might sit by the door.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Get the newspaper out. Well, I mean a cup of tea, love,
because I'm protecting the boundary yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean that's that is the metaphor, you know, or
they check the boundaries, like you know, when you buy
a new house, what's one of the first things you
do when you've got the money to a lot of
people reinforce their fences. And I'm not actually talking politically here,
I'm just saying what like human nature often does, you know,
(16:23):
we don't we don't build houses, We don't build our
homes and and leave the doors wide open. And what
I see there is is really a dad response, you know,
which is.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
A bad response.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I do, and then that's not me saying I agree
with what he's doing or not.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But what I.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
See is a dad response kind of made big.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well there is there is the expansionist imperial concern. Now
for anyone in Portugal who has seen the news about
Gaza and it being seized as a holiday park. The
thing about Portugal, of course, is we needn't worry about
it being.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They're going to send out some.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Portugal is already a holiday park, so we can't be
seized and be used as well. We've already done that, Donald,
in case you're watching this morning. So in Portugal, the
message I think we've done that bit, haven't we Portugal
doesn't want to anticipate the moves or the results. Lisbon
stocks started the week. Oh we've done that bit as well.
It is it is a this is what we want.
If you don't give us a lot of it, we
(17:20):
will hit you with tariffs.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, there was gesturing, posturing, negotiations. So what this is
the interesting bit then? So what does mister Trump want
from the EU or the EU? First the terrorf to
some people anyway, First, the terrible threat, Yes it is real.
Donald Trump was apparently aghast when visiting a European city
recently to see no chevies or touches. We haven't got
(17:43):
the roads for them, Donald, I mean, lots of people
would love to bring their big American cast, but we're
not one of those big.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
One of those big cars going down like our back
streets at the top of our town.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, I didn't go down them. We've for got our
own problems already. Okay, with those young kids on mopeds,
we don't want a Chevy next to that would have
both ends of the song inspection. We have the moped
and an American vehicle. They don't take our cars, they
don't take our farm products. Well, I don't want your chicken,
(18:21):
keep your chicken. Yeah, and your farm products, they take
almost nothing. Look old on McDonald's yesterday. I do take things.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You've taken that brand, okay, and we.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Take everything from them, and so you should European culture history.
Why not millions of cars? See I'm pushing back.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah. Like one of one of the things I noticed is,
you know, like we only take stuff from each other
or buy stuff from each other, is if we don't
have it in house, Like you know, if we were
growing our own tomatoes, we wouldn't go and buy tomatoes
from the supermarket. Though actually I realized we have actually
done that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We've grown a lot cheaper. When we were growing ownd
tomastes it cost us about five euros.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you know what I appreciate about Portugal, and that
was I think one of the things that didn't help
us make our choice, but it kind of confirmed that
maybe we'd pick the right place, and that is that,
you know, the Portuguese now had to grow things, and
they know how to look after their resources quite well.
That's my observation of them. Yeah, And I think if
(19:26):
you're quite well resourced, you know how to what to
do where to get things from in house doesn't worry
you so much to Yeah, again, it's like you in
your shed as the dad. You've got like.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I've got a bit of wood that will do that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes, you've got everything like you'll you'll, you'll find things.
But when we're in the when we were in England,
I remember there were these I remember there were times
when farmers were up in arms, for instance, because their products,
their products weren't able to be sold because our government
had made some trade deals that meant the supermarkets needed
(20:02):
to take produce from other country.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's why people are upset about, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And also that we couldn't fish in our own waters
that had to take fish from Spain. I don't know
if that's you know, I mean that was just historically,
well it might have been, but you know, it's those
kind of scenarios that get on people's wick. If if
my dad, for instance, you know, needed to get something
to maintain his house, and so I guess if Portugal
(20:34):
is quite resource rich, which I believe it is, I
think we're okay. And I would say, like, looking at this,
I just think it's time for us to get all
of our resources in order.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Wow, we're not even I could have time to ask
if the astrological portal as well. The astrology is like
I am never going to finish.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't say this, it's like nothing you've ever seen,
because that just sounds like it's come from the Donald Trum.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Book of polemic Rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yes, but you know, across the board with astrology.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It's like nothing one thing you've ever seen. No, we
do the best nothing you've ever.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Seen with the With the next two years, we've got
astrological things going on that we've never ever seen before
in our recorded Oh my goodness, I'm not kidding. This
isn't like some kind of you.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
This is not clickbait, because if it was, I said
it a lot earlier on. It really isn't.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It really isn't. And what happened at the time of
COVID hadn't happened astrologically for about three and a half
thousand years. But we are going way beyond that. We
are coming into a complete, completely new time and the
only response is to be I think, is to not
expect what we need and just to be prepared to
act in the moment. We are we are, we are going.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
To be yes and on your on a local level.
Right is going back to what Aviva said. This is
the time, isn't it If you don't know what's going
on because you can't trust it, or actually because you
can't actually know what's going on beyond your immediate senses,
can you? You can only be told. And if that's been hijacked,
which we can fairly say it has right by other
(22:14):
people's agenda, either benignly or very actively and malevolently, it
does bring us closer to home, doesn't it, to check
in our own experience and be in our own communities. Meanwhile,
Dougie Lennon is here. All he is saying is gevra.
Dougie is feeling quite in bold he is, isn't he?
(22:35):
The cut of his jib on social media at the
moment is quite notable. I don't believe that he's not
afraid to eat a bit of chlorine washed chicken, which
I if I was to go to a restaurant, doug
and you this is the man who hates French food,
preferring it would it would appear chlorine washed chicken? Good
evening waiter? What so would you recommend? What would you
(22:56):
recommend recommend so to you use a clarine washed chicken.
It's very good, Okay, barely, it has barely detectable lovers
of clarine. You'll if you've been in the swimming pool,
you'll not even notice. Right, Okay, my best pizza sellers there. Okay,
Can I go back to that? Yes, absolutely right, Okay,
So terrible threat. Yes, it's real. There aren't any chevies
(23:18):
or dodges pulling up at the traffic lights. They don't
take our cars nothing, millions of cars, tremendous amounts of
food and farm products. We have the best. And then
the ultimate insult that Europe is an atrocity that has
treated America terribly. I have not done that. Donald Trump
has not come up, not at the point of writing
(23:39):
this text anyway. And that's a very clever piece of
journalism because by the time you've written an article donald Trump,
Donald Trump might have done several things, I mean, like
you know, from once upon a time to by the
time you get to and they lived happily. Ever after,
Donald might have issued several more executive orders and changed
his mind twenty seven times. Yeah, nice one with a
(23:59):
time line for imposing tariffs on the EU, but it's
going to be pretty soon, he told a journalist this week,
which suggests that once he has finished getting his way
with Canada, Mexico, South Africa. Yes, he's not happy as
Elon's influenced, though, isn't it that this the country's gratuity.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I have no idea if it is Elon's.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
He's got South African roots, No.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
No, no, no, I don't know if that is because.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Of Elon Okay, and possibly China. What the will be
setting his sights on the block? We're ready for you, Danny.
What will mister Trump want comp want from Europe in
order not to slap tariffs on its products? Almost certainly
he will want to import more LPG liquid petroleum gas.
(24:42):
He may want to import related chicken duggie sacond and
to reduce cooperation with China, possibly even to import American cars. Well,
the European car industry is over and it We spoke
to Colin about that. The reality and I'm not sure
about the prognosis for American cost quite honestly, the reality
that no one is venturing what mister Trump wants because
(25:02):
the terrible truth is that he appears too capricious and unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That does go against it unpredictable to even try to predict.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, but he is first and foremost a businessman, and
in that he is exceptionally predictable. So it should take
not take too much intelligence to work out what kind
of cooperation will be suggested. Is it the kind of
question very possibly answerable by chat?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I wonder what chat GPT says about.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I wonder we could do that live. Maybe European leaders
are already at their keyboards, done and attash, and once
they feel they have the answers, it would simply be
a question of negotiating and sealing a deal. Portugal, per se,
we'll have very little to do with this process, as
the country is not considered any kind of big cheese.
We've got big cheese, but we're not a big cheese
within the EU block. But its natural serenity may keep
(25:47):
this country at least from the panicky headlines of so
many others. Aren't we lucky to live here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
If you, I mean, I guess if you don't know
what's going to happen, you could choose to preemptively get upset.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Or which is a lot? Are that about?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Or just remain calm and to you know, whether you
need to get upset.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
As our Portuguese host would say, tariffs of the past, well,
during the greatest hits. Now, during his first term, mister
Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum. I've translated that
especially for our American audience from the EU, which are
re retaliated with trade levies on a number of items,
including Harley Davidson, motorbikes, bourbon, denim, and orange juice. You see,
(26:29):
there's the American way right there in one sense.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Actually that's not good effect.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You don't think so. But what if I have a
midlife crisis and I want all of those every day? Well,
orange juice is no problem spoiling my midlife crisis. What
about my Harley Davidson. Wow, you're visualizing me drinking orange
juice and bourbon clad in denim on Harley Davidson, and
you're thinking, hmm, I quite like.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm relieved. You know, that would be a relief to me.
I don't want you gadding around on motorbikes, drunk on orange.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Jeese, drunk high on life like syrupy suburban You need
to worry about None of these Portuguese consumers drastically.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, if we all have a midlife crisis at the
same time. I think Natasha's being a bit cavalier about that.
But the US market represents almost seven percent. This is interesting,
almost seven percent of Portuguese exports, mainly comprising food and drink.
John Arago is going to help with this, so it
is extremely important and Portugal will just be quietly hoping
that the EU holds its nerve when mister Trump focuses
(27:32):
on what he wants from Europe and that the whole
tariff question takes on far less frightening proportions. Well that's great,
and thank you Natasha. Don that's in the Portugal resident.
Let's see what comments.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
That's a great, thoughtfully written piece.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think, yeah, I think it is. I do like
the cut. I've heard Jim almost all of the vegetables
in Dubai. I think that is. Dubia is another place
I washed in chlorinated water. Of course, I'm emboldened on
social media out less likely to face the band. I
think he's going to face personal bands, not corporate ones.
(28:06):
It just changes dog. You won't see Chevy seekers, right.
Nobody knows what's going on under the fog of voice.
It's absolutely true, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
None of us know?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Right? You see, that's why he doesn't like French food.
He's much prefer the Burger. All this stuff about evil
American food is nonsense, left wing disgruntlement, pure and simple.
Go on.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I mean, I've never been to America, so I can't
talk about the food.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
However, they have much more relaxed laws about additives and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of American friends.
They much prefer the food quality here in Portugal, albeit
the lack of Mexican good. Mexican food took the failed
businessman twenty four hours to traverse tariffs and trust less
than morning. How are you this morning? I always, as
I always say, thank goodness, my tesla is made by
(29:02):
efficient and well organized Chinese rather than those sloppy, lazy.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh oh, let me just say that's not that's not
a view that you believe about across the board about Americans,
is it given?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Because that would sound a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Racist American friends, I don't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Left. One thing everyone agree on is that Trump is
about disrupting the status quoes as well, whereas most governments
seem to be all about yes, and why would they
want to do that. It's a good point. Yes benefits,
who benefits? And that's what we'll see over time, is
that who will benefit? And you can only see over
(29:40):
time who's going to benefit. And I think we can
safely say from our experience of recent years, when when
politicians are preserving the status quo, they're not doing it
for our benefit.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I would not along with that, I thought you might.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Portugal already impost a huge tariffs on anything important, what
another taxation, opportunity importan school? Hence why some things cost
so much. We all know if we buy glasses, yes,
electronics or anything. It's true, isn't it very expensive for
that sort of thing? So we're already used to it.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
We're already used to get from Portuguese foods not mass
produced because Portugal does not have three one hundred million
mouths to feed Dicky.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, we got that, not months to feed, but mouths
to feed. We've got that, simply says miss well and missus.
Then we're a minute past morning, Jackie. Lovely to see
you here this morning. And now yes, and many other
things Portugal impost is huge impost still on many projects.
It does. It does, so we are quite used to it,
have been conditioned. I don't think it's fair. I don't
(30:42):
think it's healthy to be cynical with politicians. There are
good ones. I'm sorry, James, you're right. The is the
people on the far right who benefit from you not
being hopeful. Oh, just as we're trying to leave. He
chucks that in right, that's why we shop at cost
come in Spain, a globalist move right there.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes, I mean what I'm hearing here is that people
who are already living in Portugal already know where to
get their best prices from and already yeah, and know
that there's always going to be something that works, something
that does.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Dad effect you mentioned the effect is a very interesting
but I.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Also recognized the teenager. I think what's going on is
we've got like family, like really like distilled versions of
family dynamics blown up because there's also a teenage energy,
you know. So you could say that the EU the
United Press like, because the press does seem to go
in step with each other right across the board. All
(31:39):
different world governments and stuff are being like the Dad
and Trump is like being the teenager and saying, well
why why why? And he's kind of disrupting the power
of the establishment. So, you know, there's so many different
things that take me back to childhood.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Really, is it giving a youthful flush?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, you know, like for instance, like when I was
eighteen and I buggered off and I was meant to
go to university and then at the last minute said no,
I'm going to take this little backpack and bugger off
to France. I don't know where I'm going, what I'm
going to do it, but it's all going to.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Be okay, Trump political move.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What I'm saying is, sometimes we do need to break
free to be able to see what we were about,
like we need to sometimes we need to break free
of the grasp of what, like what our reality is,
to be able to see what exists the other side.
If I'd gone straight to university and done exactly what
my parents wanted me to do, I would never have
(32:42):
you know, I wouldn't have lived the kind of life
that I've lived, and I have no regrets at all.
You know, what Trump is offering everybody is a completely
new perspective, and that perspective might turn out to be
really it might turn out to be.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Really, here's the thing challenged ourselves like this, No, can
I put this into the session before we go? And
thanks everybody for getting involved and having a bit of
a gig or I know there are some serious, concerned
simple minded in English. Oh no, he's now I'm triggered. No,
(33:13):
what was that comment? I just yes, No, not that one.
There was another one from James. Good to have you here.
Oh the Chevy a fridge with wheels on it. Not
a big fan of the Chevy, so you can keep those. No,
but what I wanted to say is you could see
him as causal. And these are the sorts of things which,
if I may crowbar in a plug for our mid
(33:36):
day show, we have a moment with the Munson's where
we do come into the moment here in our local reality,
our lives such as they are, over which we have
the most influenced, right we can influence in our state.
There's not a lot we can do about all this
incoming data that gets messed about with by other people's
opinions and so on, And you know that can be
(33:56):
quite upsetting and difficult, as we've discovered in these last
few decades, or centuries. Maybe, but he might be. He
might be a symptom of what's going on. You know,
you're looking at the grander astrological moves, aren't you, in
influences and Trump might not be causal as much as
you know, if he implements the policy, yes, that's causal.
(34:16):
That will have an effect on the collective, won't It's
on society in the political realm. But if you're also
see him from the point of view of how he
might be a boil on the skin of of society
and humanity as well as an outburst of something that
that is bubbled up because of other influences that are
(34:37):
afoot or in the grand arc of society trying to
find homeostasis and balance because we're not. We haven't experienced
much balance, have we in recent times? Or the serenity
that Portugal that we're talking about, you know, from before.
So he might be he might be as much. What
I'm saying is he might be as much symptomatic as
(34:57):
he is causal. And that might bring relief to see
that that all this craziness that seems to be bubbling
up and bursting around the world as a symptom of
something underlying that we might pay more attention to Yeah,
I would agree.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah that well, I don't know if you want me
to like last word to you, last word to you
as my esteemed guest and co host on the Moment
with the Monster at midday Portuguese time on New Reality TV.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Everybody, Well today, we've got a really interesting women from
America joining us called Amy Doherty, who has a site
called Irish Genics Irogenics or something like that. Yeah, well
I'd better get it right before twelve. She studies iridology
and is able to talk about your ancestral code.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
She can, she can, she can.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, So we're going to be talking to her about
that and.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
A moment to breeze out. So if you ever feel
stressed and you need a little bit of a nice space,
a safe space to be free and easy and breathe,
join us at the moment with.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
We've got great people coming.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
We have amazing sad Dar who's looking at another song.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He's currently living in Thailand and he's moving around. He's
watching lots of different tribes and reflecting on tribal conditions.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's an extraordinary fellow, is he? Yeah, am on Monday? Yes, Yeah, okay.
Been nice to see a few of you over there
on New Reality TV. In the meantime, if you're if
it's all getting too much and you want some of
that Portuguese not just the serenity, but the Joe reality
clown alert. Second third and fourth of March, that's Ulay.
(36:37):
That's Leulay where they'll be weaving in some some really
sharp political insight and fun and mischief alongside the revelry.
There are kind of our nolm seca is that I
don't know what. Oh okay, it's a carnival, not a drought,
because they'll be making political points about that. And one
more time, I do love, don't get tired of this.
(36:58):
Marcelo Marcella was shaking the hand of.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
If you come back, I mean that was that was
battle of the dads.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes, it was battle of granddad. Yes, you know it
was a granddad's handshake, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It really was pulled the listen out for the sharp
intake of breath and it's not gonna like that in
the background. Missus. Thank you very much. Martin Harris, thank
you very much. See you tonight. Everybody with Filomena will
be talking about greetings and going a little bit further
into Portuguese language and culture with the Philomena this evening,
(37:34):
So see you then perhaps and the town Hall dream.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Team session Philamina.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Absolutely okay, Donnie and Marcello battling out here. The alpha
granddads don't for it, have a great day
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Anymore, the President anyone
Now serene Portugal braces for Trump tariff effect. And that's
why I've called it riffing with Trump riffing and the
country is riffing with this. You know, a lot of
a lot of people are upset. I want to say, Pete, well,
a lot of people are upset. Let's face it, let's
be honest about it. Interesting time for humanity again, and
(00:22):
it's interesting to see the cultural responses.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So here, I'm I'm I'm holding back at the moment,
wondering you know.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You could have fooled me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, I'm I'm wondering if that's going to affect my business.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh yes, of course, a tariff on your on your
digital survey.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So you know, if you know, I wonder if when
it's announced, whether it will be backdating to the start
of his presidency. So where I'm having Americans to work
with me, I'm asking them to wait until the tariffs
have been announced because I'll probably have to up my
prices for the Americans.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Flipping it, Donnie, do something concedes Trump's tariff tirades. Trump's
tariff tirades.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Literation is that if she's being to the cold months. Yes, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The kind of Let's see if we can do more
of that as this. As this, Portugal is doing what
it does best. As US president, she I love the start.
We're doing what we do best. US President Donald Trump
threatens the world with tariffs and the pulling of overseas aid.
I think that's been pulled largely, hasn't it. It doesn't
like a large pulling first thing in the morning. Well,
multiple countries and world leaders reacting outrage. These are all quotes,
(01:43):
aren't they. Portugal is reacting with serenity, one of this
nation's greatest fallback words, along with tranquility. I like that.
We know that from our personal experience, don't we, MISSISSI.
You used to hear it a lot when we first
got here. Lord calm, yes, get hot under what I
what I coming in already.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I actually think the you know, being serene about it
is the right way forwards. Because when you're when you're
hot under the color, and you know, when you've got
you nickers in a twist, it's very difficult to make
clear rational next moves. It's very difficult to think about
things calmly and to make a good decision. You're not
(02:24):
you're not playing with a full deck of common sense
and so.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Full deck of common sense.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I remember those and like, if Portugal is reacting with serenity,
it's going to offer them a much greater flexibility in
terms of their responses. How how they choose to respond
will be I think more graceful and eloquent well, which
is unusual clearly, and I think that's underrated. But thinking
(02:53):
clearly is is really important in these times, especially when
the whole world thinks that nobody is thinking clearly or
somebody's not thinking clearly. Being the grown up in the room.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is to me that the Portugal they grown up in
the room.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
To me, it sounds like they're being the grandparent who
have seen things coming and seen things going.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, someone's got to be right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's important to see the bigger picture, I.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Think, James. By the way, terror shouldn't affect your prices.
Only for companies, James.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Because when I when I put my green tickets through,
I have to say where the business came from. So
I have to declare it. And you know, I think
that is done.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You're supplying a service into the United States, and I
thought which people will be working.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Which there will be American people doing similar things?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That I do.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Obviously they're not me and I'm not them.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But that's interesting, isn't it, Because it's to protect American businesses,
isn't it. You're not really a threat to them, are you.
You're in a very individual and anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't think I'm a threat to America at all.
The only thing that I'm a threat to is might
help relative America. Purpose of my business is to help
people feel good about themselves. Yeah, if anything, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Good for their that would be good for national morale.
Possibly at the moment. And having said threat to America
at least three times, I'm guessing a CIA tape is
started up somewhere. No one's going to be listening to.
Nobody were listening to because it will be fired, haven't
they anyway? Right? And I think you're uttered. The word
we'll see or the phrase wheels, that's what this is
(04:27):
all about. And very a wise man once said we'll see.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think it was James find out.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Let's see James, James Campbell. I think James here has
got a message for you. I sound like a psychic, now,
don't psych right? All right, Portugal will not be spooked
into saying anything untoward, nor will it be goaded into
making counter threats getting better and better. Isn't it? Not
well done? Natasha? Not so, not so a number of
other European leaders whose panties are certainly in the bunch,
(04:53):
not Natasha's words, but mine, who are clearly smarting over
the president's comments that Europe is an atrocity. Now you
shouldn't get upset about that, should You should just I
mean you should just laugh with such. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean, it's just a judgment and a point of view,
and there might be there might be there might be
some points of view where that, you know, I mean,
Europe's a big place. There will be some things that
are atrocious and there were things that are really good.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, but it's not an atrocity.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No, the whole the whole place of Europe isn't an atrocity.
But I mean, one thing I do notice is, you know,
you can listen to different news outlets and it's completely different.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, there's a thing, And I was thinking the way
I'm seeing people respond on social media at the moment,
it just feels so much like the pandemic with people say, well,
you can unfriend me if you like, and you know
all these sorts of those emotions are present again, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I understand that feels really real for people. People
are feeling massive amounts of emotion. You know, some people
are betrayed, Some.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
People are feeling which is an atrocity.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, some are feeling abandoned, But there are also equally
loads of people actually feel quite excited. So it's by
no means like a flat statement that things are atrocious,
because not everyone believes that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Not everyone is having that experience and for those who are.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, and I think it's important to have compassion for people,
no matter where they are in jy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, and I hope we learn that in the pandemic time.
You'll see again. Reading between the lines, however, one can
see that mister Trump's outrageous comments and cowboy like behavior
are already reaping rewards. His threats of twenty five percent
tariffs on Canada and Mexico have seen both countries fall
over themselves to try and address some of the President's concerns,
(06:41):
agreeing to time border measures against the flow of migrants
and the drug fentanyl. Fentanyl. Fentanyl and Tara's have thus
been suspended for a month.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess that's like we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
China has not been so obliging, but what appears to
be more. But that appears to be more because mister
Trump hasn't spoken to his power GI just yet as
the resident, he's my pal. As the Resident went suppressed,
the White House reported that he was due to As
for the EU, this is the important be, isn't it?
Portugal and the and the Europe. Well, the informal summit
(07:18):
earlier this week saw the likes of France's President Macon
on what is Maykron I think, as he's sometimes learned
in America, bristling with indignation and leading figures all promising
a firm response first thing in the morning and at
other times of the day. But Portugal's representative was surprisingly calm. Well,
(07:39):
you have to look at these issues realistically, and I
think Luis Montenegro, our PM here is is a lot
like Marcello in that way. We've got to look at
these issues realistically. In recent years, Europe has been overregulated
and has perhaps had over ambitious objectives in terms of
having I'm doing this voice for effect. He might sound
like this perhaps has had over us objectives.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Imagine a kind of like shoulder kind of like this kind.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Of yeah, in which Macorn does not appear to be
saying at the moment, you don't. I don't know what
a firm response in French is, but that is what
Manuel is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I've been slept around the face by a Frenchman for
saying firm response no no, But like I've been shown
a firm response in my twenty experience. I mean, I
lived in France for five years, So is that funny?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Again, when they're when they're firm about something, they are
firm about it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's all about points of view. Yeah, because I dreamt
of being slept around the face by French woman when
I was a kids. You probably didn't happen to.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You, not me, And it wasn't done in that kind
of I wasn't done in a kind of schoolboy fantasy style.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
French maid slaps. No.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It was like this old old campsite.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Owner around dream of air spun wouldn't move on. So
we perhaps the europe has had over ambitious objectives in
terms of having rules similar to those of other trading
blocks punching above our way. Possibly there the EU we
don't have to be a Nobel Prize winner in economics
to realize, and just in case you are a Nobel
(09:13):
Prize winner in virology, meteorology and now economics as well
as Middle Eastern affairs, you don't have to be one
of those to realize that the increase in tariffs on
products that contribute to price formation on the side of
American industries will have an impact on price increases increases,
he conceded, But mister Trump was elected based on the
popular vote of the Americans, and therefore we must respect
(09:37):
his positions. There we go Portugal, rule of law democracy.
The PM's serenity stood out among the otherwise fevered reporting
from Brussels. It's also served to highlight the political differences
within the block. Indeed, press reports from the Brussels summit
did not mention the reactions of right wing leaders like
Maloney Exackly Auban in Hungary. The impressions that the EU
(09:59):
was small was notably one side.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think that's a very good observation, because I'm pretty
sure most publications at the moment will be talking about
Europe's response, EU's response as if they're all in together.
But one thing that you know, I've noted over the
last couple of years is that there are parts of
Europe that don't feel quite the same as the rest
of EU. And of course they're smarting because if Trump's
(10:27):
changes to the way his government are organized, if like
sacking a load of people or giving people a different
option to work differently, like like shape up or ship
out kind of thing, if what he is suggesting works
really beautifully, then I imagine a lot of people in
(10:47):
Brussels could also be let go of you know, I mean,
I think what he like one of the things. Obviously
I'm not studying him or anything like that, but you know,
I've been speaking like I've spoken to clients that have
received the kind of notification that you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Devastating on an individual and personal level, Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It Isn't it isn't you know? I've spoken directly to
somebody who was absolutely devastated, and also spoken to somebody
who's actually excited by, you know, the new situation.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
How you have to be these days. I mean, we
wouldn't be in Portugal if I hadn't been made redundant exactly.
I'm not I'm not trying to be a poster boy
for you. Know it wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It freed up an opportunity for well.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know, in the end, you have to that's what
you have to do. You have to manage your own
sort of sovereignty and responsibility, don't you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean like we we worked for, you know,
one of the largest disability charities in the UK and
oldest and one thing that I know, and I've also
worked for a really really large charity in London and
one thing that lots of people say about charity sector
is they've got lots of bloated staff. Not like they're
physically bloated, but you know, the organizations have a bloated
(11:59):
like like a bloat of people that you can't get
rid of. Yes, And and you know they can be
seen as places where money comes in and then goes missing.
So I can understand why the EU might have, you know,
a firm response because they're afraid, Because yeah, I think
they're afraid.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean Eva makes a really good comment here, and
I think it's such a sign of the times of Eva.
I don't think anything is how it appears exactly. That's right,
very much like the and what media outlet reports objectively.
I don't think that's a question mark there. I don't
really know what is actually happening. And that's such an
interesting viewpoint because the only thing we I guess, we
(12:43):
can really know what's actually happening in any profound ways,
what's happening to us in our lives, isn't it. And
that's in a way maybe what we're being forced to do.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, you know, during like
the COVID narrative times and right now, I like my
client base in the States tends to be split right
down the middle.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And well, I mean, yeah, that's a thing, isn't it. Yeah,
And I know there are.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Some people who prefer to work with people from one
side or another.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
What I notice is I have huge amounts of respect
for the points of view of everyone that I work with,
and they're all really nice people. I don't really work
with people who I didn't come across anyone actually who
is really nasty. I don think I've ever said that
to you. Oh my god, there's someone to put on
my block list. You know, people people have fear, but
(13:37):
people people have a level of fear that comes into
their decision making, and that would be based on their
childhood experiences and also what they get told by the
media and whether they believe it or not. And I
love I love what oceans put there.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's really smart. Let's go back to
Natasha and yeah, this is where Portugal has always had
its place, serene, somewhere in the middle of everything, but
not making any waves.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is an evolutionary process, and my conviction is that
the political dialogue must be the key if we are
to have the economic conditions to have good growth rates,
both in the United States and in Europe. The PM
told upturned microphones. In Portugal, the message from Minister for
the Economy ped del Rays was very similar, that there
is a game between large economic blocks and as such,
(14:26):
Portugal doesn't want to anticipate the moves or the results.
And it's not really that. I mean, it's somewhat influential,
but not massive, massively influential, so it can take this position.
Of course. Lisbon stocks started the week trading lower as
investors were described as bracing for the US tariff's outcome,
but by Tuesday they were already recovering, perhaps a sign
(14:46):
that people are reading into Trump's narrative and understanding much
more that it is a form of challenge, not something
set in stone. It is a this is what we want.
If you don't give us a lot of it, we
will hit you with tariffs. And I think Duck has
responded to that. When Trump wants ten, he asked for
a thousand. Have you not read the art of the
(15:07):
I have to admit I haven't, but we definitely get
the gist of that right there.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
What I get from these moves is, you know, not
so much the art like a deal or negotiation, but
I really see a dad or a granddad, you know,
because like if things were going on at our home,
like you know, when I was growing up, if if
there was a trouble and it felt like there were
things on the outside of our home that might have
been coming in to threatened, yeah, threatened the equilibrium. You know.
(15:37):
Like what a father does often is they kind of
they puff out their chest and we think, yeah, but
they do protect you know, like they'll they'll close the windows,
lock the gates, they might yeah, take that labors, they
might sit by the door.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Get the newspaper out. Well, I mean a cup of tea, love,
because I'm protecting the boundary yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean that's that is the metaphor, you know, or
they check the boundaries, like you know, when you buy
a new house, what's one of the first things you
do when you've got the money to a lot of
people reinforce their fences. And I'm not actually talking politically here,
I'm just saying what like human nature often does, you know,
(16:23):
we don't we don't build houses, We don't build our
homes and and leave the doors wide open. And what
I see there is is really a dad response, you know,
which is.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
A bad response.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I do, and then that's not me saying I agree
with what he's doing or not.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But what I.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
See is a dad response kind of made big.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well there is there is the expansionist imperial concern. Now
for anyone in Portugal who has seen the news about
Gaza and it being seized as a holiday park. The
thing about Portugal, of course, is we needn't worry about
it being.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They're going to send out some.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Portugal is already a holiday park, so we can't be
seized and be used as well. We've already done that, Donald,
in case you're watching this morning. So in Portugal, the
message I think we've done that bit, haven't we Portugal
doesn't want to anticipate the moves or the results. Lisbon
stocks started the week. Oh we've done that bit as well.
It is it is a this is what we want.
If you don't give us a lot of it, we
(17:20):
will hit you with tariffs.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, there was gesturing, posturing, negotiations. So what this is
the interesting bit then? So what does mister Trump want
from the EU or the EU? First the terrorf to
some people anyway, First, the terrible threat, Yes it is real.
Donald Trump was apparently aghast when visiting a European city
recently to see no chevies or touches. We haven't got
(17:43):
the roads for them, Donald, I mean, lots of people
would love to bring their big American cast, but we're
not one of those big.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
One of those big cars going down like our back
streets at the top of our town.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, I didn't go down them. We've for got our
own problems already. Okay, with those young kids on mopeds,
we don't want a Chevy next to that would have
both ends of the song inspection. We have the moped
and an American vehicle. They don't take our cars, they
don't take our farm products. Well, I don't want your chicken,
(18:21):
keep your chicken. Yeah, and your farm products, they take
almost nothing. Look old on McDonald's yesterday. I do take things.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You've taken that brand, okay, and we.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Take everything from them, and so you should European culture history.
Why not millions of cars? See I'm pushing back.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah. Like one of one of the things I noticed is,
you know, like we only take stuff from each other
or buy stuff from each other, is if we don't
have it in house, Like you know, if we were
growing our own tomatoes, we wouldn't go and buy tomatoes
from the supermarket. Though actually I realized we have actually
done that.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We've grown a lot cheaper. When we were growing ownd
tomastes it cost us about five euros.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you know what I appreciate about Portugal, and that
was I think one of the things that didn't help
us make our choice, but it kind of confirmed that
maybe we'd pick the right place, and that is that,
you know, the Portuguese now had to grow things, and
they know how to look after their resources quite well.
That's my observation of them. Yeah, And I think if
(19:26):
you're quite well resourced, you know how to what to
do where to get things from in house doesn't worry
you so much to Yeah, again, it's like you in
your shed as the dad. You've got like.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I've got a bit of wood that will do that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes, you've got everything like you'll you'll, you'll find things.
But when we're in the when we were in England,
I remember there were these I remember there were times
when farmers were up in arms, for instance, because their products,
their products weren't able to be sold because our government
had made some trade deals that meant the supermarkets needed
(20:02):
to take produce from other country.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's why people are upset about, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And also that we couldn't fish in our own waters
that had to take fish from Spain. I don't know
if that's you know, I mean that was just historically,
well it might have been, but you know, it's those
kind of scenarios that get on people's wick. If if
my dad, for instance, you know, needed to get something
to maintain his house, and so I guess if Portugal
(20:34):
is quite resource rich, which I believe it is, I
think we're okay. And I would say, like, looking at this,
I just think it's time for us to get all
of our resources in order.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Wow, we're not even I could have time to ask
if the astrological portal as well. The astrology is like
I am never going to finish.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't say this, it's like nothing you've ever seen,
because that just sounds like it's come from the Donald Trum.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Book of polemic Rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yes, but you know, across the board with astrology.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It's like nothing one thing you've ever seen. No, we
do the best nothing you've ever.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Seen with the With the next two years, we've got
astrological things going on that we've never ever seen before
in our recorded Oh my goodness, I'm not kidding. This
isn't like some kind of you.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
This is not clickbait, because if it was, I said
it a lot earlier on. It really isn't.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It really isn't. And what happened at the time of
COVID hadn't happened astrologically for about three and a half
thousand years. But we are going way beyond that. We
are coming into a complete, completely new time and the
only response is to be I think, is to not
expect what we need and just to be prepared to
act in the moment. We are we are, we are going.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
To be yes and on your on a local level.
Right is going back to what Aviva said. This is
the time, isn't it If you don't know what's going
on because you can't trust it, or actually because you
can't actually know what's going on beyond your immediate senses,
can you? You can only be told. And if that's been hijacked,
which we can fairly say it has right by other
(22:14):
people's agenda, either benignly or very actively and malevolently, it
does bring us closer to home, doesn't it, to check
in our own experience and be in our own communities. Meanwhile,
Dougie Lennon is here. All he is saying is gevra.
Dougie is feeling quite in bold he is, isn't he?
(22:35):
The cut of his jib on social media at the
moment is quite notable. I don't believe that he's not
afraid to eat a bit of chlorine washed chicken, which
I if I was to go to a restaurant, doug
and you this is the man who hates French food,
preferring it would it would appear chlorine washed chicken? Good
evening waiter? What so would you recommend? What would you
(22:56):
recommend recommend so to you use a clarine washed chicken.
It's very good, Okay, barely, it has barely detectable lovers
of clarine. You'll if you've been in the swimming pool,
you'll not even notice. Right, Okay, my best pizza sellers there. Okay,
Can I go back to that? Yes, absolutely right, Okay,
So terrible threat. Yes, it's real. There aren't any chevies
(23:18):
or dodges pulling up at the traffic lights. They don't
take our cars nothing, millions of cars, tremendous amounts of
food and farm products. We have the best. And then
the ultimate insult that Europe is an atrocity that has
treated America terribly. I have not done that. Donald Trump
has not come up, not at the point of writing
(23:39):
this text anyway. And that's a very clever piece of
journalism because by the time you've written an article donald Trump,
Donald Trump might have done several things, I mean, like
you know, from once upon a time to by the
time you get to and they lived happily. Ever after,
Donald might have issued several more executive orders and changed
his mind twenty seven times. Yeah, nice one with a
(23:59):
time line for imposing tariffs on the EU, but it's
going to be pretty soon, he told a journalist this week,
which suggests that once he has finished getting his way
with Canada, Mexico, South Africa. Yes, he's not happy as
Elon's influenced, though, isn't it that this the country's gratuity.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I have no idea if it is Elon's.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
He's got South African roots, No.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
No, no, no, I don't know if that is because.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Of Elon Okay, and possibly China. What the will be
setting his sights on the block? We're ready for you, Danny.
What will mister Trump want comp want from Europe in
order not to slap tariffs on its products? Almost certainly
he will want to import more LPG liquid petroleum gas.
(24:42):
He may want to import related chicken duggie sacond and
to reduce cooperation with China, possibly even to import American cars. Well,
the European car industry is over and it We spoke
to Colin about that. The reality and I'm not sure
about the prognosis for American cost quite honestly, the reality
that no one is venturing what mister Trump wants because
(25:02):
the terrible truth is that he appears too capricious and unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That does go against it unpredictable to even try to predict.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, but he is first and foremost a businessman, and
in that he is exceptionally predictable. So it should take
not take too much intelligence to work out what kind
of cooperation will be suggested. Is it the kind of
question very possibly answerable by chat?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I wonder what chat GPT says about.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I wonder we could do that live. Maybe European leaders
are already at their keyboards, done and attash, and once
they feel they have the answers, it would simply be
a question of negotiating and sealing a deal. Portugal, per se,
we'll have very little to do with this process, as
the country is not considered any kind of big cheese.
We've got big cheese, but we're not a big cheese
within the EU block. But its natural serenity may keep
(25:47):
this country at least from the panicky headlines of so
many others. Aren't we lucky to live here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
If you, I mean, I guess if you don't know
what's going to happen, you could choose to preemptively get upset.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Or which is a lot? Are that about?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Or just remain calm and to you know, whether you
need to get upset.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
As our Portuguese host would say, tariffs of the past, well,
during the greatest hits. Now, during his first term, mister
Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum. I've translated that
especially for our American audience from the EU, which are
re retaliated with trade levies on a number of items,
including Harley Davidson, motorbikes, bourbon, denim, and orange juice. You see,
(26:29):
there's the American way right there in one sense.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Actually that's not good effect.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You don't think so. But what if I have a
midlife crisis and I want all of those every day? Well,
orange juice is no problem spoiling my midlife crisis. What
about my Harley Davidson. Wow, you're visualizing me drinking orange
juice and bourbon clad in denim on Harley Davidson, and
you're thinking, hmm, I quite like.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm relieved. You know, that would be a relief to me.
I don't want you gadding around on motorbikes, drunk on orange.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Jeese, drunk high on life like syrupy suburban You need
to worry about None of these Portuguese consumers drastically.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, if we all have a midlife crisis at the
same time. I think Natasha's being a bit cavalier about that.
But the US market represents almost seven percent. This is interesting,
almost seven percent of Portuguese exports, mainly comprising food and drink.
John Arago is going to help with this, so it
is extremely important and Portugal will just be quietly hoping
that the EU holds its nerve when mister Trump focuses
(27:32):
on what he wants from Europe and that the whole
tariff question takes on far less frightening proportions. Well that's great,
and thank you Natasha. Don that's in the Portugal resident.
Let's see what comments.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
That's a great, thoughtfully written piece.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think, yeah, I think it is. I do like
the cut. I've heard Jim almost all of the vegetables
in Dubai. I think that is. Dubia is another place
I washed in chlorinated water. Of course, I'm emboldened on
social media out less likely to face the band. I
think he's going to face personal bands, not corporate ones.
(28:06):
It just changes dog. You won't see Chevy seekers, right.
Nobody knows what's going on under the fog of voice.
It's absolutely true, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
None of us know?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Right? You see, that's why he doesn't like French food.
He's much prefer the Burger. All this stuff about evil
American food is nonsense, left wing disgruntlement, pure and simple.
Go on.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I mean, I've never been to America, so I can't
talk about the food.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
However, they have much more relaxed laws about additives and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of American friends.
They much prefer the food quality here in Portugal, albeit
the lack of Mexican good. Mexican food took the failed
businessman twenty four hours to traverse tariffs and trust less
than morning. How are you this morning? I always, as
I always say, thank goodness, my tesla is made by
(29:02):
efficient and well organized Chinese rather than those sloppy, lazy.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh oh, let me just say that's not that's not
a view that you believe about across the board about Americans,
is it given?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Because that would sound a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Racist American friends, I don't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Left. One thing everyone agree on is that Trump is
about disrupting the status quoes as well, whereas most governments
seem to be all about yes, and why would they
want to do that. It's a good point. Yes benefits,
who benefits? And that's what we'll see over time, is
that who will benefit? And you can only see over
(29:40):
time who's going to benefit. And I think we can
safely say from our experience of recent years, when when
politicians are preserving the status quo, they're not doing it
for our benefit.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I would not along with that, I thought you might.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Portugal already impost a huge tariffs on anything important, what
another taxation, opportunity importan school? Hence why some things cost
so much. We all know if we buy glasses, yes,
electronics or anything. It's true, isn't it very expensive for
that sort of thing? So we're already used to it.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
We're already used to get from Portuguese foods not mass
produced because Portugal does not have three one hundred million
mouths to feed Dicky.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, we got that, not months to feed, but mouths
to feed. We've got that, simply says miss well and missus.
Then we're a minute past morning, Jackie. Lovely to see
you here this morning. And now yes, and many other
things Portugal impost is huge impost still on many projects.
It does. It does, so we are quite used to it,
have been conditioned. I don't think it's fair. I don't
(30:42):
think it's healthy to be cynical with politicians. There are
good ones. I'm sorry, James, you're right. The is the
people on the far right who benefit from you not
being hopeful. Oh, just as we're trying to leave. He
chucks that in right, that's why we shop at cost
come in Spain, a globalist move right there.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes, I mean what I'm hearing here is that people
who are already living in Portugal already know where to
get their best prices from and already yeah, and know
that there's always going to be something that works, something
that does.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Dad effect you mentioned the effect is a very interesting
but I.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Also recognized the teenager. I think what's going on is
we've got like family, like really like distilled versions of
family dynamics blown up because there's also a teenage energy,
you know. So you could say that the EU the
United Press like, because the press does seem to go
in step with each other right across the board. All
(31:39):
different world governments and stuff are being like the Dad
and Trump is like being the teenager and saying, well
why why why? And he's kind of disrupting the power
of the establishment. So, you know, there's so many different
things that take me back to childhood.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Really, is it giving a youthful flush?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, you know, like for instance, like when I was
eighteen and I buggered off and I was meant to
go to university and then at the last minute said no,
I'm going to take this little backpack and bugger off
to France. I don't know where I'm going, what I'm
going to do it, but it's all going to.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Be okay, Trump political move.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What I'm saying is, sometimes we do need to break
free to be able to see what we were about,
like we need to sometimes we need to break free
of the grasp of what, like what our reality is,
to be able to see what exists the other side.
If I'd gone straight to university and done exactly what
my parents wanted me to do, I would never have
(32:42):
you know, I wouldn't have lived the kind of life
that I've lived, and I have no regrets at all.
You know, what Trump is offering everybody is a completely
new perspective, and that perspective might turn out to be
really it might turn out to be.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Really, here's the thing challenged ourselves like this, No, can
I put this into the session before we go? And
thanks everybody for getting involved and having a bit of
a gig or I know there are some serious, concerned
simple minded in English. Oh no, he's now I'm triggered. No,
(33:13):
what was that comment? I just yes, No, not that one.
There was another one from James. Good to have you here.
Oh the Chevy a fridge with wheels on it. Not
a big fan of the Chevy, so you can keep those. No,
but what I wanted to say is you could see
him as causal. And these are the sorts of things which,
if I may crowbar in a plug for our mid
(33:36):
day show, we have a moment with the Munson's where
we do come into the moment here in our local reality,
our lives such as they are, over which we have
the most influenced, right we can influence in our state.
There's not a lot we can do about all this
incoming data that gets messed about with by other people's
opinions and so on, And you know that can be
(33:56):
quite upsetting and difficult, as we've discovered in these last
few decades, or centuries. Maybe, but he might be. He
might be a symptom of what's going on. You know,
you're looking at the grander astrological moves, aren't you, in
influences and Trump might not be causal as much as
you know, if he implements the policy, yes, that's causal.
(34:16):
That will have an effect on the collective, won't It's
on society in the political realm. But if you're also
see him from the point of view of how he
might be a boil on the skin of of society
and humanity as well as an outburst of something that
that is bubbled up because of other influences that are
(34:37):
afoot or in the grand arc of society trying to
find homeostasis and balance because we're not. We haven't experienced
much balance, have we in recent times? Or the serenity
that Portugal that we're talking about, you know, from before.
So he might be he might be as much. What
I'm saying is he might be as much symptomatic as
(34:57):
he is causal. And that might bring relief to see
that that all this craziness that seems to be bubbling
up and bursting around the world as a symptom of
something underlying that we might pay more attention to Yeah,
I would agree.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah that well, I don't know if you want me
to like last word to you, last word to you
as my esteemed guest and co host on the Moment
with the Monster at midday Portuguese time on New Reality TV.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Everybody, Well today, we've got a really interesting women from
America joining us called Amy Doherty, who has a site
called Irish Genics Irogenics or something like that. Yeah, well
I'd better get it right before twelve. She studies iridology
and is able to talk about your ancestral code.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
She can, she can, she can.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, So we're going to be talking to her about
that and.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
A moment to breeze out. So if you ever feel
stressed and you need a little bit of a nice space,
a safe space to be free and easy and breathe,
join us at the moment with.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
We've got great people coming.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
We have amazing sad Dar who's looking at another song.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He's currently living in Thailand and he's moving around. He's
watching lots of different tribes and reflecting on tribal conditions.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's an extraordinary fellow, is he? Yeah, am on Monday? Yes, Yeah, okay.
Been nice to see a few of you over there
on New Reality TV. In the meantime, if you're if
it's all getting too much and you want some of
that Portuguese not just the serenity, but the Joe reality
clown alert. Second third and fourth of March, that's Ulay.
(36:37):
That's Leulay where they'll be weaving in some some really
sharp political insight and fun and mischief alongside the revelry.
There are kind of our nolm seca is that I
don't know what. Oh okay, it's a carnival, not a drought,
because they'll be making political points about that. And one
more time, I do love, don't get tired of this.
(36:58):
Marcelo Marcella was shaking the hand of.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
If you come back, I mean that was that was
battle of the dads.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yes, it was battle of granddad. Yes, you know it
was a granddad's handshake, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It really was pulled the listen out for the sharp
intake of breath and it's not gonna like that in
the background. Missus. Thank you very much. Martin Harris, thank
you very much. See you tonight. Everybody with Filomena will
be talking about greetings and going a little bit further
into Portuguese language and culture with the Philomena this evening,
(37:34):
So see you then perhaps and the town Hall dream.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Team session Philamina.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Absolutely okay, Donnie and Marcello battling out here. The alpha
granddads don't for it, have a great day
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Anymore, the President anyone
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