October 28, 2024 • 38 mins
In this week's episode, we have former WBC super featherweight champion O'Shaquie Foster looking for revenge against Robson Conceicao in the rematch on Saturday night. Also, multi-platinum producer Rsonist (Heatmakerz) stops by to talk boxing, his latest project with Joell Ortiz titled "W.A.R." and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:35):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Hey man? Just grind it? How you done?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Good?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Good man? You sound like you're in better spirits man
in July. Obviously you lost the fight and the title
and the shocking decision. And I'm gonna call them by
two blind mice because obviously the other one didn't gave
you the card. What's the first thought that you came
(02:01):
to your mind? Not so much that you expressed, but
the first thought that came to mind when you heard
that When you heard the scores, I was confused.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I'm not gonna lie because I really thought it was
I thought it was gonna be a wipeout.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No lie.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I thought I was gonna be a white box. So
when I heard that score card, I'm like fuck. And
then you know, the last one came and I just
couldn't believe it. I ain't understand, like I was kind
of like questioning did I know boxing, Like, I'm like, yo,
you know what I mean. So that's really how it
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hit me, Like I didn't understand that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, And and you know it's it's tough, right because
at that moment, you know, listen, you just finished getting
punched in the head for twelve rounds, right, and then
something happens that kind of disrupts your your thought process.
That's gotta be hard trying to process that, you know,
what was going on, and then you know, just recovering
(03:04):
from getting punched in the head, right.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I guess it hit me so hard because I ain't
really get hit that fight, Like that was one of
my least getting hit fights. Like my defense is always good,
but that fight, my stuff was on point, you know
what I mean. So the only thing that I felt
was the head but when he hit when we clashed
his but other than.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
That, I was clear headed.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
After the fight, I'm like, yo, I'm telling the coach
as soon as the bell run, I'm like, I made
it look easy. I showed everybody I could get it
out there and bro or I can make this a
guy like this that they thought. Everybody kept thinking that
he was gonna come in there, and it was gonna
be a war. He was gonna do all this and
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do all that, and I made it look easy. And
that's all I kept telling my coach liked, I made
this look easy, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, And I'm gonna ask you, like, was the fight
easier to you to manage than what you anticipated was?
Or was conscious shall as crafty as people made him
out to be? No?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
No, See this the thing though, when people say crafty,
I think they kind of mixed that with awkwardness, like
he awkward, weird, like he threw weird stuff in the ring.
I've seen that a lot, the weird movements to all this.
So when I got in there with him, I wasn't
expecting him to be a lot more like, like you said,
(04:37):
crafty and stuff like at different. It wasn't that, though,
it was. He was a lot slower than I thought
his feet was. I mean, I already know he didn't
have great feet, but his feet was man. A lot
of it, Yeah, you're right, I mean a lot of
it was. I let the noise on the outside, you
know what I mean, And it wasn't that in the fight.
(04:59):
So I mean, I understand now what I need to
go do, and then you know, that's the thing, my
first this is my first remation in the pros. So
it's cool because you already got the tendencies of that
person and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, good, Yeah, And you know there was an
uproar from the boxing community and your team as well,
putting the pressure on WBC. Was there ever a moment
that you felt like you might have not been able
to get the rematch?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Nah?
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I felt from the beginning that it was gonna come.
It was too much people talking about it, too too
many like too many famous, too many people that got
you know what I mean, got power and say so
I mean not over the WBC obviously, but just in
(05:52):
the public eye, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
So yeah, I figured it was coming.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, all right, and then this fighting is occurring just
four months after the first one. How did How does
the July fight affect how you prepare for the rematch
or does it?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
It made it easier for me.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I understand what he bringing into the table, I understand
what I need to go do and and and I
needed to turn it up.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So it made it easier for me. It made it
better for me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Okay, and what did you learn about yourself this past
summer as you reflected on things as they were happening,
especially things that you do with what you have control
of and what you don't have control of, Like what
were what were What did you learn about yourself? If anything?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That never take the easy ride out.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I always put everything into whatever it is and you're
gonna get the outcome you're looking for when you try
to go and nothing. And you know what I mean,
Like I said, that's that's that's what I learned from it.
Bro getting that grind work, you know what I mean,
shut to the max though, Like you know what I mean,
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that's that's that's work hard.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Like that's what I took out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Of And you're saying that because you did, you feel
like you might have taken your foot off the gas
a little bit at the end because you felt like
you had to fight.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I felt like I could have did a lot more,
you know what I mean, even though the fight was easy,
I could have did more. And that's what I took
out of it, you know what I mean. I'm going
there just because it's easy and with the wood get
them up out of the least. You know what I
mean put it on him. That's I took all it
from that. Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Okay, And do you feel like this is a must
win for you? And and does it change your timeline
up moving on? Because I know the last time we
spoke you talked about potentially going on one thirty five,
you know soon, So does does this change that timeline?
And and do you feel like this is a must win?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
In my eyes?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Bro, I hate losing, so every fighter is a must win. Like,
I don't see nobody I'll get across the ring with.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I don't see.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Myself even thinking about losing. I don't care who it
is I'm gonna. I'm I feel like I'm that guy,
So whoever they put it can be any one of them.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Train, like I'm you know what I mean, Like I'm him?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
So yeah, And what was the second part?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And then does this change your timetable of moving up
because I know you had spoken about that maybe doing
that at some point next year. Does does this rematch
change that timetable?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Not?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Really, It's really opportunities for me.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
If I can get the opportunity to go unificate Unified
a couple of times next year.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Then I'll put the thirty five on hold.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
If I get opportunity to move to fight for a title,
I'm jumping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So it just depends, it depends what.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Com Okay, all right? And then finally, what's your fans
expect for you on November? Tewod and how different will
this fight be than the first one?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
My fans said, explain, expect explosion, explosive like they ain't
seen this shock before. That's that's all I'm gonna say. Man,
that's all I'm gonna say. They tune in, We're gonna
we're gonna show y'all something different.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
All right, Well, listen, Shock. I appreciate your time and
I wish you the best of luck in November.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Thank you, bro, I appreciate it all right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in
to the Boxing Rush Hour show Fights at w dot com.
My next guest, he's a legend in the game already,
and he's a humble guy, so he won't say it,
but I'm gonna say it for him. Uh, multip platinum producer,
multile Award winning producer. This man really needs no introduction.
(10:08):
But you know, I needed to say it anyway. I've
got awesomeess heat makers. What's good.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Thank you for having me, my brother. I'm good man,
I can't complain.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And and and listen the plaques behind you say.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It all, Oh yeah we got some you know, we
got some more man.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. All right, listen today I wanted to, uh,
first of all, thank you for coming out to the show.
I know that you're a big boxing fan as well,
but you also recently dropped a project with Joel or
Tease call War with all respect. So we're gonna get
(10:47):
into a little bit of of everything when it comes
to that. But for people that you know, may not
know who you are on the on the boxing side
of things, I just want to kind of get a
little bit of a of a background, a little bit
of a bio bla. I know you're from Kingston, Jamaica and.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Actually Mandeville, Jamaica. I'm born in Jamaica, Mandeville, Jamaica.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, okay, And then so just kind of wanted to
get an understanding of like when, at what point in
your childhood or you know, teen years maybe if did
you come here to the US, and when did your
journey as a producer.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Begon Well, I came here early, when I was four
years old.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
My parents moved over here, so I was kind of like,
you know, like my memories of Jamaica wasn't like it
was most of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So you know, I was raised in.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The Bronx and I was at DJ first, like you know,
like I started DJing probably like my junior year of
high school. Then when I got to college, you know,
I picked up more and then that slowly led into
I got kicked out of college.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know, a whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
But when I got kicked out, I had a baby
on the way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
To know what I was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
My old partner, Thriller, he had bought an NPC and
we just saw he went to Trinidad, let me hold it,
and then I learned how to use it. I'm giving
you stories. Meant a dude by the name of Todd Terry.
He believed in what I was doing, brought me about
thirty thousand dollars worth of equipment, and you know we're still.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Friends to this day, and it's just, you know, it
was like it was meant to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, no doubt. And then so shout out to everybody
in the Bronx. I'm from the Bronx, Castle Hill. Everybody
from Castle Hill stand up for sure. While growing up,
were you at what point did you get into boxing
or was boxing something that you fell in love with
a little bit later on in life.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, I've always loved boxing, but I didn't really like
start studying every boxer until about maybe I would say
my early thirties, you know, I mean, I'm forty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
My birthday was a couple days ago.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm forty seven now, so probably like my early thirties,
I really started getting into like really paying attention to
every boxer and seeing like what their strengths were, what
their weaknesses were, like you know, certain things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Before I used to just kind of casually watch boxing.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But at like around i'll say nine thirty, I started
to really like dive into boxing.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, all right, And then I saw looking at uh Wikipedia,
that in two thousand and you did a a production song,
the sequel from Cannabis.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
That was the first yet that was the first record
at the time me and Thriller ever got paid for,
you know, they Cannabis was signed Universal at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I mean that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Our manager at the time robbed us and kind of
took a majority of the money. We didn't know, you know,
but we were so green in the game that, you know,
any money seemed.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like it was good. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't really
understand how the business worked.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
But again, man, you live and you learn, so it's
no you know, at this point, it's no hard feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't really you know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I just think that certain things have to happen in
order to teach you a lesson. And that was one
of our our life lessons at that point.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, And I was going to ask you because cannabis
at that time was was still hot, like how did that?
How did you be in a being you in the game?
Being green in the game? Get on to produce in
one of those.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Tracks relationships, because like, coming up, I always kind of
me and my people's kind of always stayed around people
that were moving and shaking in some way shape form
of fashion.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And when we.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Got into music, you know, we kind of just used
the six degrees of separation, like all right, cool, we
know him, he knows him, Let's give him a CD.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He'll get it to him.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And then before you know what, it was like, you know,
they put you know, we put the pieces together.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, no doubt. And then listen, two thousand and two
came and it was like the world probably flipped upside
down for you. You know, Cam drops come home with
me under the Rockefeller and I'm gonna paint the picture
a little bit because I was, you know, stationed in Cali,
but I was coming back to New York getting mixtapes
in Southern Boulevard otherwise known as Hunt's Point. The mixtape
(14:53):
shot there. When when that happened, that whole situation happened
like this, this the city was turned upside down, like
you know, Diplomats, the mixtape, the whole situation should. I
remember being in Sue's rendezvous and and Cam coming in there.
You know, they were doing the Rockefeller signing. It it
(15:14):
was a movie. Yeah, it was a movie.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Honestly with me, because I guess I was so I
was so into the you know, I didn't even understand
all that was going on. I was just in a
studio making music, trying to make as much music as
I could because I just felt like, this is my chance.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Let me not lose my opportunity.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
So when people were telling me like, Yo, dip Set
is hot, thing on fire, they doing this, they doing that,
I seen it, but I didn't really pay attention because
I was just trying to come up with the next thing,
you know what I mean. So I don't know if
people can understand that. It was like, I didn't understand
how hot Dipset was until the album dropped and people
were asking me for pictures and shit like that, and
I'm like, fuck, they want a picture with me? You
(15:55):
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I could, I didn't understand it built out.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And then you know, when Flex premiered that I'm Ready song,
like how crazy did life get for you? Twenty four
hours after that?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Again, around that time, I was just happy to hear
the song on the radio. I didn't understand the magnitude
of what was going on, because you gotta remember, at
that point, people are just now catching on the dip set.
They didn't really understand what it was. I'm Ready was
kind of like a shock to their system, like, Yo,
what is this? And that record went on to change
a lot of people's lives, but at that moment, I
(16:35):
didn't understand the gravity of it. At that moment, because
it didn't really it's not like now where it is
the Internet and things spread instantly. Back then, if something
came out today, by the time, especially if it came
out today in New York, it wouldn't hit LA for
like another four or five days, you understand, Like the
world got around, So it was different. So when that happened,
it was kind of like I saw the effects of
(16:56):
that maybe like.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
A month later, mm okay, and then so that run
it took a turn. Let me see two thousand and six,
I think, is when you know that that whole lasted,
what what does twenty twenty four arsonists tell that version
of Arsonists from two thousand and three to two thousand
(17:18):
and six right now, Like, what do you what do
you tell yourself at that moment that maybe you should
have told yourself back then.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think it's I would tell myself know your value,
you know, because back then you start to think, like, yo,
these people are doing me favors by putting me in
these rooms, or these artists are kind of helping me
out by putting me on their album, not understanding that
you bring a lot of that to the table.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The reason they want to mess with you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Is because of what you've done and how much money,
how much money you've brought to.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Them or the label. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I would tell the younger version of me, know
your value. And I would also tell the younger version
of me be patient.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You understand. It's almost like this too shall pass.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Sometimes in any feel that we're in, we have downtimes,
and it's like we tend to think that it's going
to be forever, but we don't understand the times that
we're up. There's a bunch of people that's down and
they just trying to wait it out too. So it's
like we take turns, you know what I mean, Like
this might be a great year for me, it might
be a terrible year for somebody else, and then next
year it could switch. But once you understand that, I
(18:20):
think you approach life differently. So I would tell the
younger version of me to just be patient and to
kind of wait out the storm from time to time,
and don't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Panic, no doubt, because we tend to panic for no reasons.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sometimes that's what's up, man. And then you know, and
I think that's important for people to understand. And here man,
because you know, everybody wants to be hot right now,
and then you know, if they're not hot no more,
then they don't understand how to deal with it because
they were, you know, they were real quick to get out.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I understand, man. We all go through it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Some people tend to think like it's just me, like,
why is this happening to me? We all go through it, man.
Some people just handle it better. Some people wear it better,
you know what I mean. Like, There's been plenty of
days that you might see me on the grand making
a beat and I'm probably having one of the worst
days of my life. But at the end of the day,
I understand the show must go on. And this is
you understand, like business and personal really should not mix
(19:11):
with each other. So even if I'm going through something personally,
my fans shouldn't care about that because the reason they're
a fan of me is because of the product I'm
giving them. The minute I stop giving them that product,
they have all right to walk away, you understand. Because
it's kind of like if I go to McDonald's for
a burger and they told me, like, yo, the staff fee,
(19:31):
the staff fee. Feeling right today? They're not making burgers.
I'm not going back to that McDonald's no more because
my main purpose of going there was to get a product.
If you're not giving me the product, then you really
serve me no purpose. And I don't want to sound cold,
but that's what this is. And I think a lot
of artists slash producers don't understand that you're here to
serve a purpose. So the minute you start telling your
(19:52):
fans like, yo, I'm going through some shit, y'all gotta understand. Yeah,
maybe some of them will, but the people that's just
there for the product, they don't really care no more,
and they should couldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, no doubt, And I get it. And you know,
you were talking about doing those videos and making the
beats on Instagram. It reminded me of the first time
I saw you, which was either Smack or some zero
DVD where you were making a beat on there, you know, Smack.
So you know, you've been doing this, you know, for
(20:23):
for a long time, and some of the things that
you were doing at that time were a little bit
ahead of its time.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, because you gotta remember, back then, it was almost
taboo to show what you did because there was all
your people gonna bite, They're gonna steal you style, They're
gonna do this, they're gonna do that. But I think
a lot of the artists from back then have to
understand that the age we live in now is a
visual age. They want to see you. They want to
see what you're doing, when you did it, where you
did it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
They want to see all of that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna cut off a
certain fan base just because I refused to put a
camera on me making a beat. Like at the end
of the day, I make that thousands, it beat to
a year.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You understand, Like, why wouldn't I.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Film fifteen to twenty of them and just put it
online to keep my brand alive?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You understand, Like, I understand, I got to do that.
So I'm not trust me.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I'm not one of them dudes that came up in
the early two thousands that still thinks that were I
understand that we have a new machine we didn't have before,
which is the Internet. So you got to use it
to the best of your ability without compromising yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, that's what's up, all right? And then it looks
like twenty nineteen is when you came back strong again.
So you you're earlier, you were talking about you know,
the highs and lows and then you know, having your
run at one point and then coming back another that
Jim Jones al Coppo arguably Jim's best album, Todate Huh,
(21:44):
I said the numbers say so, yeah for sure. And
you know that started the run again. Taking you to now,
do you appreciate this run more now because you have
more knowledge of the business part of it?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yes, it's not even a question.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like I had like an immense amount of success in
the early two thousands, but I was just kind of
like higher off life at that point, you know what
I mean. I didn't take the time to really figure
out all the intricacies of the business, which I know now.
So it's like I I definitely appreciate this this runway
more just because I can do less and make more
(22:22):
because I understand the business more.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Before I was doing a million things just to get
to this amount.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Now I can do five or six things and get
to the same amount because I understand what to attack
and what not to attack and what not to waste
time on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know what I'm saying, so I to answer your question.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, no doubt and and so kind of sliding to
the boxing side. I see you post videos hitting the
heavy bag, you know, almost every morning, gain your workout in.
Has the has trained? Has that boxing training kind of
been become part of your your lifestyle like to kind
of you know, get of people use it as you know,
(23:01):
to get mental health kind of straightened out every day
and stuff like that, and conditioning.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
What happened like in my later ages, like probably like
from about thirty five on, I started to like get
little bouts of anxiety from time to time. And I
can't even tell you why, to be honest with you,
but I'm naturally like an angry person, you know what
I mean, Not when you meet me, but just in
the sense of I'm either it's either black or white
(23:26):
with me. I'm e the nicest person in the world.
I'm ready to rip somebody's head off, you know what
I'm saying. So I just I feel like that kind
of simmers me down to start my day where it's
like I can get my aggression out early in the
morning and then now I can coast through my day
like the days I can't get a chance to do that.
I feel the difference. I feel like like I'm on
ad you know what I'm saying. So it has helped
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me a lot. Yeah, question, It definitely helped me a lot.
And I probably do that five days out of the week.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
If I can.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, I see it. I see it on IG you know,
and keep it with boxing team. Who are some of
the fighters that you used to watch coming up when
you did when you did take it seriously and you
said that you were really into it. Who are some
of the fighters that gained your attention at that point?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Obviously Floyd.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know, this is around the time that pretty it
was pretty boy Floyd and he was beating the shit
out of people like god, and you know what I'm saying,
And like I was like a huge.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fan of Floyd just because.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
He did what he said he was gonna do, you
know what I mean, And and boxing that's rare, like
a lot of times boxers would get exposed at some
point in their career, and Floyd never let that happen.
So it was like I just appreciated watching Floyd. Like
I watched Floyd, I watched funny enough, like people like
Andre Berto, Like I was just a huge fan of
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Berto because I just felt like every fight he put
one hundred percent. It felt like that to me, you
know what I'm saying. Timothy Bradley, he would to me
he was a another dude that kind of went all
out every fight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I appreciated fighters like that, And obviously.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Before I really took it serious serious, Mike Tyson was
always one of my favorite fighters, not boxers, but fighters,
Like with Mike Tyson, you knew it was gonna be
a fight, you know. And I think that's what kind
of the Mike Tyson era is what really made me say, like,
now I got to pay more attention to this because
you know, like a lot of times when you see
like an upset happen, you think it's an upset until
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you do your history on the other guy and you're like.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Wait a minute, like he's been nice.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So just knowing that made me pay more attention to
a lot of these fighters, like because like sometimes a
fighter would be going into a fight and a lot
of people around me will be like, Oh, he's gonna
get washed by this person and that person. I'm like, Nah,
your bugging. I actually watched this dude fight and he's
a monster, you know what I'm saying. It's kind of
like I remember when when Terrence Crawford was gonna fight
Mean Machine, Yeah, and everybody was like, yo, he about
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to run through this dude, and da da da, And
I said, Yo, it's gonna be a better fight than
you think, man, cause I watch just do the fight
before and he's like he got that ship with him,
and you know, it was a great fight. Like I
think he might I don't think he put him down,
but I think he buckled Crawford for a second, and
you know, Crawford got back to it and knocked him out.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But it was it was a better fight than people expected.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, and actually it was a knockdown. That wasn't a
call the knockdown, but it should have been called the knockdown, right.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I know he buckled him, but you know right after that,
Crawford came right back.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, I got his get back. So yeah, no, that's
that's uh, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And listen, we were around the same age, so you know,
I'm right there with you along with with all those
fighters that that you mentioned, even like this past weekend,
Tim Zu got you know, got knocked the hell out,
you know, but tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Something crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I remember, I think this was like what like maybe
eight months six months ago, when Jared Anderson was about
to fight Martin bucoley. H But I saw Mark mccoley
in the back hitting pads. I said, it's gonna be
a long night for Jared Anderson. You know that you
can tell when certain people hit the pads the sound
that it makes, and you can tell that they're not
really like the punch is natural form. It's not like
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they're trying to put nothing on it. They just got
heavy ass hands. When I've seen him hit in the paths,
I said, one, I would never want to get hit
with no shit like that. Two, it's going to be
a super long night for Jared Anderson because if he
cast them with one of those ships, which he did
in the first round, I said, oh my god, that dude,
I'm calling it from now. That dude is going to
have maybe two or three more upsets under his belt,
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I promise you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah. I was there for that fight, man, And you
can hear them shots.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
He's yo and he takes a punch well because Jared
Anderson hit him with some shit and he took it
well and just kind of kept walking at him, Like
so I feel bad for what. I think.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
They're supposed to be setting up a fight with him
and Jang next right.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, they were trying to, but then the IBF, I think,
is going to have him do an eliminator. So he's
going to fight this other dude, I can't remember what
his name is. Zang is gonna fight somebody big. It's
just just not they haven't finalized it just yet.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I can't wait to see that fight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, no doubt. All right, let's talk about war with
all respect. Joel ortiz aresoonists this thing. I tell you, man,
I haven't stopped playing it. It's been super hard. Pause
Like it's you know, I've listened to Joyalties for a
long time. Probably the first time was the one that
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he had the bodega in the background. Like that's that's
how far back I go.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
With j.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know the failed project, not
the failed project, but the project that never happened with
doctor Dre and then this this situation. I remember we
were talking. You said, you know, I'm working with him
and and you know we got some ship coming out.
But this feels so much more than just you guys
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putting putting this project together. It feels, you know, organic,
it feels it doesn't feel like rushed. It feels like
you guys really took your time on it. How did
the idea of doing this project come about?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well, I've been around Joelle now on a consistent basis
for probably over five years, six years, so we've been
around each other kind of and you know, I've done
music for like a project with him and Krook and
things of that nature, and other solo projects he did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I probably did two or three records here and there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But as of like the last year, me and him
have been around each other more, and it's kind of
like we've been having random conversations about just life, you know,
and then sometimes we're having a conversation while I'm making
a beat, and I might look over and he's writing
out of nowhere. And then we just built up so
many records that it was kind of like, we need
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to do a project where every song is about something,
you know what I mean. Like, I think he's gotten
to the point in his career where him just rapping
just to rap He's done that for so many years.
That's not going to impress the fan base anymore. I'm like,
you almost have to crack the door open and let
the fan base into your life form, into your life
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for a minute, into your thought process, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So that's what we did on this album.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But again, like you said, we took our time because
we were around each other three four days a week.
So as I'm making music, if something catches his ear,
he would write to it, and then I want to
I know he's writing to it. I would kind of
cater it towards the project we're working on, like whether
it was the baselines I chose or the percussions I'm using,
just because I wanted it all to fit together and
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feel like a project cannot feel like random producers just
through random tracks.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
As an artist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I feel like this project has a certain cohesiveness to
it that a lot of projects lacked from time to time.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, no doubt. And then as a as a producer,
was your approach and how different was the initial strategy
of your approach to the end product.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I think once I get Voke was on the track,
I get a clearer picture of how to mold the
track around the vocals because you know, again, I'll do
the beat and Joelo rapped to it, but then the
production starts. Then it becomes how do I make this
beat fit these vocals the best? Like where do wish
I put certain drops? Does it need drums? Maybe it
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might not, Maybe I should approach the hook this way,
like you know, like there's a there's a lot of
thoughts that go.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Into the final product.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But once he does what it what he does, it
makes it ten times easier for me to approach what
I'm about to do.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay, all right, and then listen all the years. One
of my part personal favorites, because I feel like it
hits me more is I live through what he what
he's saying, like.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You can put a picture to a lot of it,
Like I remember when that girl moved in the neighborhood
that I had a crush on and she was staying
with her grandmother for the summer. I remember the free
lunch line, you know what I mean. There's certain things
that he says that you're like, damn, I remember that man,
Like I really remember, like cracking the fire hydrants open
in the summertime and then if the police were coming through,
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somebody try to stand in front of the hydrants so
they wouldn't clo you know what I mean, Like I
remember shit like that. So when he says it, it's
almost like a breath of fresh air to let you know, like, damn,
I'm not the only one that went through that, Like
other people have similar stories. So again, man, I appreciate
this album on a bunch of different levels, just because
I think it was a well thought out album from
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his perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and shout out to all the contra lovers because
he hit the up up, down, down left.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Right, BA stars up up, up, down, down left right
left right?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Was it BA select Artists?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I think it was like a B or B a
select Star. What would you say?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I felt like, out of all the records, and I'm
sure you love all of them, but what do you
which one do you think is the most important to you?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
To me?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Important to me honestly, And it's gonna be weird for
me to say this, but I think it's a record
like reaper Man. And the reason why I say that,
and I'm not saying reaper Man is my favorite, but
it's the most important to me in the sense of
what he's saying in that record, he's kind of putting
life in the perspective for you, like, this shit could
be over in a second. We hope it's not, but
death is around the corner for a lot of people
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that don't think it is, you know what I mean.
So I think if you kind of break that song down,
it's an important song for a lot of people because
I think we get to a point in our life
where we think this shit is forever, Like we think
we could say, you know what, now do that tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Man who like says who.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
You know what I mean? Again, If you listen to
that song from the right perspective, it should kind of
drive you to do things now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, No, that's what's up. And listen, there's not enough
of that going on now because you know, like you said, people,
there's too many people that are living, you know, today,
thinking that they have tomorrow and that's not promised. You
could walk out the door and it could be over with.
So definitely appreciate that song. Listen, what should fans expect
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from you next year? Like you've got you know, you're
riding high on this on this album. Anything that the
fans should expect from you next year, or anything that
you think that they could know a little bit about
right now.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, a couple of things. I have a few other
projects coming out.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I got one with the artist by the name of
Lock Smith, meaning of a seven song EP coming out.
I got another one with an artist by the name
of I Born. We have a we have a nine
song project coming out called Born Again that that's actually
dropping November. First, we got raycon on their artists reggae
artists by the name of Assassin on there. We got
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Joel Ortiz on there and Angel Hill, a couple of artists.
And then I have an instrumental project dropping in January.
Then me and probably sometime next year, Me and Jim will.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Drop L Copple two. We're about five records in, you
know what I mean? So you working?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
M Yes? All right. Lastly, listen, we're gonna bounce right
back to the boxing stuff November fifteenth on Netflix. It's
gonna be Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. Will you be
watching this event and do you think that this is
this is something that a lot of folks are gonna
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tune into, or do you think that the that the
jig is up on these type of events.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I think just because of the names involved, people are
gonna it's almost like a car crash. You can't look
You want to look away, but you can't.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I think everybody that's like you, I'm not supporting this,
I'm not buying that, they're gonna buy it because I
probably said that I'm gonna buy it just to be
real with you, just because I want to, you know
what I mean. I don't want to see Tyson get
hurt because to me, Tyson was one of like my
childhood heroes, like as far as just.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Like on some on some Superman shit.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
But I'm gonna be watching cause I think if Tyson
can get to Paul with his pressure in the first
couple rounds, it could look like something. I just think
the longer the fight goes, the less it's in Tyson's
favor because of endurance and stammina, you know what I mean.
Let's let's not lie to ourselves like Jake Paul can punch.
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You know, people try to make it seem like Jake
Paul is just his YouTube guy that no, like he's
a boxer now, like let's just keep it real good.
So I just don't want to see Tyson at what
is he like fifty eight?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Now, yeah, I think so something like that.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Nine.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't want to see Tyson at fifty eight
get hit with shots that could change his life.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. I
think that again. You know, I'm sure Tyson's been.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Punched harder than Jake Paul could punch him, but it
has It's been years.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
But again, has Jake Paul been punched as hard as
Tyson's gonna hit him? Because your strength goes nowhere, your
speed might go, but he's still as strong as he
was when he was in his thirties, trust me, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
No doubt that fight is gonna be on Netflix, so
everybody worldwide is gonna be able to watch it. So
it's gonna be crazy. Oh it's not pay per view, No,
it's on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, that's fire.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, it's on Netflix and Netflix is gonna streaming worldwide,
so you know I have to put something.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Mike Tyson's an international name, so that he's definitely gonna
they gonna do numbers.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, I have put something out there where I said
they're probably gonna do like twenty million views like Off
the Rip.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah for a fact, just the fact of knowing that
it's free and you already have Netflix, and it's Mike
Tyson and Jake Paul. Even if you're just a boxing casual,
not even a boxing fan like you watch that.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Listen, Austin this listen. I appreciate
your time here. Again. The album is whole war arsonist
Joel Ortiz. You can stream it. There's a YouTube page
that I'll put inside the article and on the link
stream and yeah, that's it right there, War with with
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all respect Arsines listen, I appreciate your time, Thank you
so much for coming on, and we'll definitely talk suits.
We get that official prediction in when I do my
celebrity panel. All right, my brother, thank you, thank you.
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What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Hey man? Just grind it? How you done?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Good?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Good man? You sound like you're in better spirits man
in July. Obviously you lost the fight and the title
and the shocking decision. And I'm gonna call them by
two blind mice because obviously the other one didn't gave
you the card. What's the first thought that you came
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to your mind? Not so much that you expressed, but
the first thought that came to mind when you heard
that When you heard the scores, I was confused.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I'm not gonna lie because I really thought it was
I thought it was gonna be a wipeout.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No lie.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
I thought I was gonna be a white box. So
when I heard that score card, I'm like fuck. And
then you know, the last one came and I just
couldn't believe it. I ain't understand, like I was kind
of like questioning did I know boxing, Like, I'm like, yo,
you know what I mean. So that's really how it
(02:37):
hit me, Like I didn't understand that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, And and you know it's it's tough, right because
at that moment, you know, listen, you just finished getting
punched in the head for twelve rounds, right, and then
something happens that kind of disrupts your your thought process.
That's gotta be hard trying to process that, you know,
what was going on, and then you know, just recovering
(03:04):
from getting punched in the head, right.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I guess it hit me so hard because I ain't
really get hit that fight, Like that was one of
my least getting hit fights. Like my defense is always good,
but that fight, my stuff was on point, you know
what I mean. So the only thing that I felt
was the head but when he hit when we clashed
his but other than.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
That, I was clear headed.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
After the fight, I'm like, yo, I'm telling the coach
as soon as the bell run, I'm like, I made
it look easy. I showed everybody I could get it
out there and bro or I can make this a
guy like this that they thought. Everybody kept thinking that
he was gonna come in there, and it was gonna
be a war. He was gonna do all this and
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do all that, and I made it look easy. And
that's all I kept telling my coach liked, I made
this look easy, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, And I'm gonna ask you, like, was the fight
easier to you to manage than what you anticipated was?
Or was conscious shall as crafty as people made him
out to be? No?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
No, See this the thing though, when people say crafty,
I think they kind of mixed that with awkwardness, like
he awkward, weird, like he threw weird stuff in the ring.
I've seen that a lot, the weird movements to all this.
So when I got in there with him, I wasn't
expecting him to be a lot more like, like you said,
(04:37):
crafty and stuff like at different. It wasn't that, though,
it was. He was a lot slower than I thought
his feet was. I mean, I already know he didn't
have great feet, but his feet was man. A lot
of it, Yeah, you're right, I mean a lot of
it was. I let the noise on the outside, you
know what I mean, And it wasn't that in the fight.
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So I mean, I understand now what I need to
go do, and then you know, that's the thing, my
first this is my first remation in the pros. So
it's cool because you already got the tendencies of that
person and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, good, Yeah, And you know there was an
uproar from the boxing community and your team as well,
putting the pressure on WBC. Was there ever a moment
that you felt like you might have not been able
to get the rematch?
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Nah?
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I felt from the beginning that it was gonna come.
It was too much people talking about it, too too
many like too many famous, too many people that got
you know what I mean, got power and say so
I mean not over the WBC obviously, but just in
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the public eye, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
So yeah, I figured it was coming.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay, all right, and then this fighting is occurring just
four months after the first one. How did How does
the July fight affect how you prepare for the rematch
or does it?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
It made it easier for me.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I understand what he bringing into the table, I understand
what I need to go do and and and I
needed to turn it up.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So it made it easier for me. It made it
better for me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Okay, and what did you learn about yourself this past
summer as you reflected on things as they were happening,
especially things that you do with what you have control
of and what you don't have control of, Like what
were what were What did you learn about yourself? If anything?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
That never take the easy ride out.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
I always put everything into whatever it is and you're
gonna get the outcome you're looking for when you try
to go and nothing. And you know what I mean,
Like I said, that's that's that's what I learned from it.
Bro getting that grind work, you know what I mean,
shut to the max though, Like you know what I mean,
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that's that's that's work hard.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Like that's what I took out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Of And you're saying that because you did, you feel
like you might have taken your foot off the gas
a little bit at the end because you felt like
you had to fight.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I felt like I could have did a lot more,
you know what I mean, even though the fight was easy,
I could have did more. And that's what I took
out of it, you know what I mean. I'm going
there just because it's easy and with the wood get
them up out of the least. You know what I
mean put it on him. That's I took all it
from that. Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Okay, And do you feel like this is a must
win for you? And and does it change your timeline
up moving on? Because I know the last time we
spoke you talked about potentially going on one thirty five,
you know soon, So does does this change that timeline?
And and do you feel like this is a must win?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
In my eyes?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Bro, I hate losing, so every fighter is a must win. Like,
I don't see nobody I'll get across the ring with.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I don't see.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Myself even thinking about losing. I don't care who it
is I'm gonna. I'm I feel like I'm that guy,
So whoever they put it can be any one of them.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Train, like I'm you know what I mean, Like I'm him?
Speaker 5 (08:33):
So yeah, And what was the second part?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
And then does this change your timetable of moving up
because I know you had spoken about that maybe doing
that at some point next year. Does does this rematch
change that timetable?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Not?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Really, It's really opportunities for me.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
If I can get the opportunity to go unificate Unified
a couple of times next year.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Then I'll put the thirty five on hold.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
If I get opportunity to move to fight for a title,
I'm jumping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So it just depends, it depends what.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Com Okay, all right? And then finally, what's your fans
expect for you on November? Tewod and how different will
this fight be than the first one?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
My fans said, explain, expect explosion, explosive like they ain't
seen this shock before. That's that's all I'm gonna say. Man,
that's all I'm gonna say. They tune in, We're gonna
we're gonna show y'all something different.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
All right, Well, listen, Shock. I appreciate your time and
I wish you the best of luck in November.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Thank you, bro, I appreciate it all right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in
to the Boxing Rush Hour show Fights at w dot com.
My next guest, he's a legend in the game already,
and he's a humble guy, so he won't say it,
but I'm gonna say it for him. Uh, multip platinum producer,
multile Award winning producer. This man really needs no introduction.
(10:08):
But you know, I needed to say it anyway. I've
got awesomeess heat makers. What's good.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Thank you for having me, my brother. I'm good man,
I can't complain.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And and and listen the plaques behind you say.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It all, Oh yeah we got some you know, we
got some more man.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. All right, listen today I wanted to, uh,
first of all, thank you for coming out to the show.
I know that you're a big boxing fan as well,
but you also recently dropped a project with Joel or
Tease call War with all respect. So we're gonna get
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into a little bit of of everything when it comes
to that. But for people that you know, may not
know who you are on the on the boxing side
of things, I just want to kind of get a
little bit of a of a background, a little bit
of a bio bla. I know you're from Kingston, Jamaica and.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Actually Mandeville, Jamaica. I'm born in Jamaica, Mandeville, Jamaica.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, okay, And then so just kind of wanted to
get an understanding of like when, at what point in
your childhood or you know, teen years maybe if did
you come here to the US, and when did your
journey as a producer.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Begon Well, I came here early, when I was four
years old.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
My parents moved over here, so I was kind of like,
you know, like my memories of Jamaica wasn't like it
was most of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So you know, I was raised in.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The Bronx and I was at DJ first, like you know,
like I started DJing probably like my junior year of
high school. Then when I got to college, you know,
I picked up more and then that slowly led into
I got kicked out of college.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know, a whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
But when I got kicked out, I had a baby
on the way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
To know what I was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
My old partner, Thriller, he had bought an NPC and
we just saw he went to Trinidad, let me hold it,
and then I learned how to use it. I'm giving
you stories. Meant a dude by the name of Todd Terry.
He believed in what I was doing, brought me about
thirty thousand dollars worth of equipment, and you know we're still.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Friends to this day, and it's just, you know, it
was like it was meant to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, no doubt. And then so shout out to everybody
in the Bronx. I'm from the Bronx, Castle Hill. Everybody
from Castle Hill stand up for sure. While growing up,
were you at what point did you get into boxing
or was boxing something that you fell in love with
a little bit later on in life.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, I've always loved boxing, but I didn't really like
start studying every boxer until about maybe I would say
my early thirties, you know, I mean, I'm forty seven.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
My birthday was a couple days ago.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm forty seven now, so probably like my early thirties,
I really started getting into like really paying attention to
every boxer and seeing like what their strengths were, what
their weaknesses were, like you know, certain things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Before I used to just kind of casually watch boxing.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But at like around i'll say nine thirty, I started
to really like dive into boxing.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, all right, And then I saw looking at uh Wikipedia,
that in two thousand and you did a a production song,
the sequel from Cannabis.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
That was the first yet that was the first record
at the time me and Thriller ever got paid for,
you know, they Cannabis was signed Universal at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I mean that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Our manager at the time robbed us and kind of
took a majority of the money. We didn't know, you know,
but we were so green in the game that, you know,
any money seemed.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like it was good. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't really
understand how the business worked.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
But again, man, you live and you learn, so it's
no you know, at this point, it's no hard feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't really you know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I just think that certain things have to happen in
order to teach you a lesson. And that was one
of our our life lessons at that point.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, And I was going to ask you because cannabis
at that time was was still hot, like how did that?
How did you be in a being you in the game?
Being green in the game? Get on to produce in
one of those.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Tracks relationships, because like, coming up, I always kind of
me and my people's kind of always stayed around people
that were moving and shaking in some way shape form
of fashion.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And when we.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Got into music, you know, we kind of just used
the six degrees of separation, like all right, cool, we
know him, he knows him, Let's give him a CD.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He'll get it to him.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And then before you know what, it was like, you know,
they put you know, we put the pieces together.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, no doubt. And then listen, two thousand and two
came and it was like the world probably flipped upside
down for you. You know, Cam drops come home with
me under the Rockefeller and I'm gonna paint the picture
a little bit because I was, you know, stationed in Cali,
but I was coming back to New York getting mixtapes
in Southern Boulevard otherwise known as Hunt's Point. The mixtape
(14:53):
shot there. When when that happened, that whole situation happened
like this, this the city was turned upside down, like
you know, Diplomats, the mixtape, the whole situation should. I
remember being in Sue's rendezvous and and Cam coming in there.
You know, they were doing the Rockefeller signing. It it
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was a movie. Yeah, it was a movie.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Honestly with me, because I guess I was so I
was so into the you know, I didn't even understand
all that was going on. I was just in a
studio making music, trying to make as much music as
I could because I just felt like, this is my chance.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Let me not lose my opportunity.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
So when people were telling me like, Yo, dip Set
is hot, thing on fire, they doing this, they doing that,
I seen it, but I didn't really pay attention because
I was just trying to come up with the next thing,
you know what I mean. So I don't know if
people can understand that. It was like, I didn't understand
how hot Dipset was until the album dropped and people
were asking me for pictures and shit like that, and
I'm like, fuck, they want a picture with me? You
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know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I could, I didn't understand it built out.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And then you know, when Flex premiered that I'm Ready song,
like how crazy did life get for you? Twenty four
hours after that?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Again, around that time, I was just happy to hear
the song on the radio. I didn't understand the magnitude
of what was going on, because you gotta remember, at
that point, people are just now catching on the dip set.
They didn't really understand what it was. I'm Ready was
kind of like a shock to their system, like, Yo,
what is this? And that record went on to change
a lot of people's lives, but at that moment, I
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didn't understand the gravity of it. At that moment, because
it didn't really it's not like now where it is
the Internet and things spread instantly. Back then, if something
came out today, by the time, especially if it came
out today in New York, it wouldn't hit LA for
like another four or five days, you understand, Like the
world got around, So it was different. So when that happened,
it was kind of like I saw the effects of
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that maybe like.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
A month later, mm okay, and then so that run
it took a turn. Let me see two thousand and six,
I think, is when you know that that whole lasted,
what what does twenty twenty four arsonists tell that version
of Arsonists from two thousand and three to two thousand
(17:18):
and six right now, Like, what do you what do
you tell yourself at that moment that maybe you should
have told yourself back then.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think it's I would tell myself know your value,
you know, because back then you start to think, like, yo,
these people are doing me favors by putting me in
these rooms, or these artists are kind of helping me
out by putting me on their album, not understanding that
you bring a lot of that to the table.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The reason they want to mess with you.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Is because of what you've done and how much money,
how much money you've brought to.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Them or the label. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I would tell the younger version of me, know
your value. And I would also tell the younger version
of me be patient.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You understand. It's almost like this too shall pass.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Sometimes in any feel that we're in, we have downtimes,
and it's like we tend to think that it's going
to be forever, but we don't understand the times that
we're up. There's a bunch of people that's down and
they just trying to wait it out too. So it's
like we take turns, you know what I mean, Like
this might be a great year for me, it might
be a terrible year for somebody else, and then next
year it could switch. But once you understand that, I
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think you approach life differently. So I would tell the
younger version of me to just be patient and to
kind of wait out the storm from time to time,
and don't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Panic, no doubt, because we tend to panic for no reasons.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sometimes that's what's up, man. And then you know, and
I think that's important for people to understand. And here man,
because you know, everybody wants to be hot right now,
and then you know, if they're not hot no more,
then they don't understand how to deal with it because
they were, you know, they were real quick to get out.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I understand, man. We all go through it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Some people tend to think like it's just me, like,
why is this happening to me? We all go through it, man.
Some people just handle it better. Some people wear it better,
you know what I mean. Like, There's been plenty of
days that you might see me on the grand making
a beat and I'm probably having one of the worst
days of my life. But at the end of the day,
I understand the show must go on. And this is
you understand, like business and personal really should not mix
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with each other. So even if I'm going through something personally,
my fans shouldn't care about that because the reason they're
a fan of me is because of the product I'm
giving them. The minute I stop giving them that product,
they have all right to walk away, you understand. Because
it's kind of like if I go to McDonald's for
a burger and they told me, like, yo, the staff fee,
(19:31):
the staff fee. Feeling right today? They're not making burgers.
I'm not going back to that McDonald's no more because
my main purpose of going there was to get a product.
If you're not giving me the product, then you really
serve me no purpose. And I don't want to sound cold,
but that's what this is. And I think a lot
of artists slash producers don't understand that you're here to
serve a purpose. So the minute you start telling your
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fans like, yo, I'm going through some shit, y'all gotta understand. Yeah,
maybe some of them will, but the people that's just
there for the product, they don't really care no more,
and they should couldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, no doubt, And I get it. And you know,
you were talking about doing those videos and making the
beats on Instagram. It reminded me of the first time
I saw you, which was either Smack or some zero
DVD where you were making a beat on there, you know, Smack.
So you know, you've been doing this, you know, for
(20:23):
for a long time, and some of the things that
you were doing at that time were a little bit
ahead of its time.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, because you gotta remember, back then, it was almost
taboo to show what you did because there was all
your people gonna bite, They're gonna steal you style, They're
gonna do this, they're gonna do that. But I think
a lot of the artists from back then have to
understand that the age we live in now is a
visual age. They want to see you. They want to
see what you're doing, when you did it, where you
did it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
They want to see all of that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna cut off a
certain fan base just because I refused to put a
camera on me making a beat. Like at the end
of the day, I make that thousands, it beat to
a year.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You understand, Like, why wouldn't I.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Film fifteen to twenty of them and just put it
online to keep my brand alive?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You understand, Like, I understand, I got to do that.
So I'm not trust me.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I'm not one of them dudes that came up in
the early two thousands that still thinks that were I
understand that we have a new machine we didn't have before,
which is the Internet. So you got to use it
to the best of your ability without compromising yourself.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, that's what's up, all right? And then it looks
like twenty nineteen is when you came back strong again.
So you you're earlier, you were talking about you know,
the highs and lows and then you know, having your
run at one point and then coming back another that
Jim Jones al Coppo arguably Jim's best album, Todate Huh,
(21:44):
I said the numbers say so, yeah for sure. And
you know that started the run again. Taking you to now,
do you appreciate this run more now because you have
more knowledge of the business part of it?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yes, it's not even a question.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Like I had like an immense amount of success in
the early two thousands, but I was just kind of
like higher off life at that point, you know what
I mean. I didn't take the time to really figure
out all the intricacies of the business, which I know now.
So it's like I I definitely appreciate this this runway
more just because I can do less and make more
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because I understand the business more.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Before I was doing a million things just to get
to this amount.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Now I can do five or six things and get
to the same amount because I understand what to attack
and what not to attack and what not to waste
time on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know what I'm saying, so I to answer your question.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, no doubt and and so kind of sliding to
the boxing side. I see you post videos hitting the
heavy bag, you know, almost every morning, gain your workout in.
Has the has trained? Has that boxing training kind of
been become part of your your lifestyle like to kind
of you know, get of people use it as you know,
(23:01):
to get mental health kind of straightened out every day
and stuff like that, and conditioning.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
What happened like in my later ages, like probably like
from about thirty five on, I started to like get
little bouts of anxiety from time to time. And I
can't even tell you why, to be honest with you,
but I'm naturally like an angry person, you know what
I mean, Not when you meet me, but just in
the sense of I'm either it's either black or white
(23:26):
with me. I'm e the nicest person in the world.
I'm ready to rip somebody's head off, you know what
I'm saying. So I just I feel like that kind
of simmers me down to start my day where it's
like I can get my aggression out early in the
morning and then now I can coast through my day
like the days I can't get a chance to do that.
I feel the difference. I feel like like I'm on
ad you know what I'm saying. So it has helped
(23:47):
me a lot. Yeah, question, It definitely helped me a lot.
And I probably do that five days out of the week.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
If I can.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, I see it. I see it on IG you know,
and keep it with boxing team. Who are some of
the fighters that you used to watch coming up when
you did when you did take it seriously and you
said that you were really into it. Who are some
of the fighters that gained your attention at that point?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Obviously Floyd.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know, this is around the time that pretty it
was pretty boy Floyd and he was beating the shit
out of people like god, and you know what I'm saying,
And like I was like a huge.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fan of Floyd just because.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
He did what he said he was gonna do, you
know what I mean, And and boxing that's rare, like
a lot of times boxers would get exposed at some
point in their career, and Floyd never let that happen.
So it was like I just appreciated watching Floyd. Like
I watched Floyd, I watched funny enough, like people like
Andre Berto, Like I was just a huge fan of
(24:50):
Berto because I just felt like every fight he put
one hundred percent. It felt like that to me, you
know what I'm saying. Timothy Bradley, he would to me
he was a another dude that kind of went all
out every fight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I appreciated fighters like that, And obviously.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Before I really took it serious serious, Mike Tyson was
always one of my favorite fighters, not boxers, but fighters,
Like with Mike Tyson, you knew it was gonna be
a fight, you know. And I think that's what kind
of the Mike Tyson era is what really made me say, like,
now I got to pay more attention to this because
you know, like a lot of times when you see
like an upset happen, you think it's an upset until
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you do your history on the other guy and you're like.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Wait a minute, like he's been nice.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So just knowing that made me pay more attention to
a lot of these fighters, like because like sometimes a
fighter would be going into a fight and a lot
of people around me will be like, Oh, he's gonna
get washed by this person and that person. I'm like, Nah,
your bugging. I actually watched this dude fight and he's
a monster, you know what I'm saying. It's kind of
like I remember when when Terrence Crawford was gonna fight
Mean Machine, Yeah, and everybody was like, yo, he about
(25:55):
to run through this dude, and da da da, And
I said, Yo, it's gonna be a better fight than
you think, man, cause I watch just do the fight
before and he's like he got that ship with him,
and you know, it was a great fight. Like I
think he might I don't think he put him down,
but I think he buckled Crawford for a second, and
you know, Crawford got back to it and knocked him out.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But it was it was a better fight than people expected.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, and actually it was a knockdown. That wasn't a
call the knockdown, but it should have been called the knockdown, right.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I know he buckled him, but you know right after that,
Crawford came right back.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, I got his get back. So yeah, no, that's
that's uh, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And listen, we were around the same age, so you know,
I'm right there with you along with with all those
fighters that that you mentioned, even like this past weekend,
Tim Zu got you know, got knocked the hell out,
you know, but tell you.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Something crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I remember, I think this was like what like maybe
eight months six months ago, when Jared Anderson was about
to fight Martin bucoley. H But I saw Mark mccoley
in the back hitting pads. I said, it's gonna be
a long night for Jared Anderson. You know that you
can tell when certain people hit the pads the sound
that it makes, and you can tell that they're not
really like the punch is natural form. It's not like
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they're trying to put nothing on it. They just got
heavy ass hands. When I've seen him hit in the paths,
I said, one, I would never want to get hit
with no shit like that. Two, it's going to be
a super long night for Jared Anderson because if he
cast them with one of those ships, which he did
in the first round, I said, oh my god, that dude,
I'm calling it from now. That dude is going to
have maybe two or three more upsets under his belt,
(27:25):
I promise you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah. I was there for that fight, man, And you
can hear them shots.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
He's yo and he takes a punch well because Jared
Anderson hit him with some shit and he took it
well and just kind of kept walking at him, Like
so I feel bad for what. I think.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
They're supposed to be setting up a fight with him
and Jang next right.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, they were trying to, but then the IBF, I think,
is going to have him do an eliminator. So he's
going to fight this other dude, I can't remember what
his name is. Zang is gonna fight somebody big. It's
just just not they haven't finalized it just yet.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I can't wait to see that fight.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, no doubt. All right, let's talk about war with
all respect. Joel ortiz aresoonists this thing. I tell you, man,
I haven't stopped playing it. It's been super hard. Pause
Like it's you know, I've listened to Joyalties for a
long time. Probably the first time was the one that
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he had the bodega in the background. Like that's that's
how far back I go.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
With j.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know the failed project, not
the failed project, but the project that never happened with
doctor Dre and then this this situation. I remember we
were talking. You said, you know, I'm working with him
and and you know we got some ship coming out.
But this feels so much more than just you guys
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putting putting this project together. It feels, you know, organic,
it feels it doesn't feel like rushed. It feels like
you guys really took your time on it. How did
the idea of doing this project come about?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well, I've been around Joelle now on a consistent basis
for probably over five years, six years, so we've been
around each other kind of and you know, I've done
music for like a project with him and Krook and
things of that nature, and other solo projects he did.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I probably did two or three records here and there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But as of like the last year, me and him
have been around each other more, and it's kind of
like we've been having random conversations about just life, you know,
and then sometimes we're having a conversation while I'm making
a beat, and I might look over and he's writing
out of nowhere. And then we just built up so
many records that it was kind of like, we need
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to do a project where every song is about something,
you know what I mean. Like, I think he's gotten
to the point in his career where him just rapping
just to rap He's done that for so many years.
That's not going to impress the fan base anymore. I'm like,
you almost have to crack the door open and let
the fan base into your life form, into your life
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for a minute, into your thought process, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So that's what we did on this album.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But again, like you said, we took our time because
we were around each other three four days a week.
So as I'm making music, if something catches his ear,
he would write to it, and then I want to
I know he's writing to it. I would kind of
cater it towards the project we're working on, like whether
it was the baselines I chose or the percussions I'm using,
just because I wanted it all to fit together and
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feel like a project cannot feel like random producers just
through random tracks.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
As an artist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I feel like this project has a certain cohesiveness to
it that a lot of projects lacked from time to time.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, no doubt. And then as a as a producer,
was your approach and how different was the initial strategy
of your approach to the end product.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I think once I get Voke was on the track,
I get a clearer picture of how to mold the
track around the vocals because you know, again, I'll do
the beat and Joelo rapped to it, but then the
production starts. Then it becomes how do I make this
beat fit these vocals the best? Like where do wish
I put certain drops? Does it need drums? Maybe it
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might not, Maybe I should approach the hook this way,
like you know, like there's a there's a lot of
thoughts that go.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Into the final product.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
But once he does what it what he does, it
makes it ten times easier for me to approach what
I'm about to do.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay, all right, and then listen all the years. One
of my part personal favorites, because I feel like it
hits me more is I live through what he what
he's saying, like.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You can put a picture to a lot of it,
Like I remember when that girl moved in the neighborhood
that I had a crush on and she was staying
with her grandmother for the summer. I remember the free
lunch line, you know what I mean. There's certain things
that he says that you're like, damn, I remember that man,
Like I really remember, like cracking the fire hydrants open
in the summertime and then if the police were coming through,
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somebody try to stand in front of the hydrants so
they wouldn't clo you know what I mean, Like I
remember shit like that. So when he says it, it's
almost like a breath of fresh air to let you know, like, damn,
I'm not the only one that went through that, Like
other people have similar stories. So again, man, I appreciate
this album on a bunch of different levels, just because
I think it was a well thought out album from
(32:33):
his perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and shout out to all the contra lovers because
he hit the up up, down, down left.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Right, BA stars up up, up, down, down left right
left right?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Was it BA select Artists?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I think it was like a B or B a
select Star. What would you say?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I felt like, out of all the records, and I'm
sure you love all of them, but what do you
which one do you think is the most important to you?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
To me?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Important to me honestly, And it's gonna be weird for
me to say this, but I think it's a record
like reaper Man. And the reason why I say that,
and I'm not saying reaper Man is my favorite, but
it's the most important to me in the sense of
what he's saying in that record, he's kind of putting
life in the perspective for you, like, this shit could
be over in a second. We hope it's not, but
death is around the corner for a lot of people
(33:31):
that don't think it is, you know what I mean.
So I think if you kind of break that song down,
it's an important song for a lot of people because
I think we get to a point in our life
where we think this shit is forever, Like we think
we could say, you know what, now do that tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Man who like says who.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
You know what I mean? Again, If you listen to
that song from the right perspective, it should kind of
drive you to do things now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, No, that's what's up. And listen, there's not enough
of that going on now because you know, like you said, people,
there's too many people that are living, you know, today,
thinking that they have tomorrow and that's not promised. You
could walk out the door and it could be over with.
So definitely appreciate that song. Listen, what should fans expect
(34:18):
from you next year? Like you've got you know, you're
riding high on this on this album. Anything that the
fans should expect from you next year, or anything that
you think that they could know a little bit about
right now.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, a couple of things. I have a few other
projects coming out.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I got one with the artist by the name of
Lock Smith, meaning of a seven song EP coming out.
I got another one with an artist by the name
of I Born. We have a we have a nine
song project coming out called Born Again that that's actually
dropping November. First, we got raycon on their artists reggae
artists by the name of Assassin on there. We got
(34:58):
Joel Ortiz on there and Angel Hill, a couple of artists.
And then I have an instrumental project dropping in January.
Then me and probably sometime next year, Me and Jim will.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Drop L Copple two. We're about five records in, you
know what I mean? So you working?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
M Yes? All right. Lastly, listen, we're gonna bounce right
back to the boxing stuff November fifteenth on Netflix. It's
gonna be Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. Will you be
watching this event and do you think that this is
this is something that a lot of folks are gonna
(35:37):
tune into, or do you think that the that the
jig is up on these type of events.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I think just because of the names involved, people are
gonna it's almost like a car crash. You can't look
You want to look away, but you can't.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I think everybody that's like you, I'm not supporting this,
I'm not buying that, they're gonna buy it because I
probably said that I'm gonna buy it just to be
real with you, just because I want to, you know
what I mean. I don't want to see Tyson get
hurt because to me, Tyson was one of like my
childhood heroes, like as far as just.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Like on some on some Superman shit.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
But I'm gonna be watching cause I think if Tyson
can get to Paul with his pressure in the first
couple rounds, it could look like something. I just think
the longer the fight goes, the less it's in Tyson's
favor because of endurance and stammina, you know what I mean.
Let's let's not lie to ourselves like Jake Paul can punch.
(36:30):
You know, people try to make it seem like Jake
Paul is just his YouTube guy that no, like he's
a boxer now, like let's just keep it real good.
So I just don't want to see Tyson at what
is he like fifty eight?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Now, yeah, I think so something like that.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Nine.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't want to see Tyson at fifty eight
get hit with shots that could change his life.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. I
think that again. You know, I'm sure Tyson's been.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Punched harder than Jake Paul could punch him, but it
has It's been years.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
But again, has Jake Paul been punched as hard as
Tyson's gonna hit him? Because your strength goes nowhere, your
speed might go, but he's still as strong as he
was when he was in his thirties, trust me, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
No doubt that fight is gonna be on Netflix, so
everybody worldwide is gonna be able to watch it. So
it's gonna be crazy. Oh it's not pay per view, No,
it's on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, that's fire.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, it's on Netflix and Netflix is gonna streaming worldwide,
so you know I have to put something.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Mike Tyson's an international name, so that he's definitely gonna
they gonna do numbers.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, I have put something out there where I said
they're probably gonna do like twenty million views like Off
the Rip.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah for a fact, just the fact of knowing that
it's free and you already have Netflix, and it's Mike
Tyson and Jake Paul. Even if you're just a boxing casual,
not even a boxing fan like you watch that.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Listen, Austin this listen. I appreciate
your time here. Again. The album is whole war arsonist
Joel Ortiz. You can stream it. There's a YouTube page
that I'll put inside the article and on the link
stream and yeah, that's it right there, War with with
(38:16):
all respect Arsines listen, I appreciate your time, Thank you
so much for coming on, and we'll definitely talk suits.
We get that official prediction in when I do my
celebrity panel. All right, my brother, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
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