October 8, 2025 • 19 mins
In this week's episode of the Boxing Rush Hour Show, my gues is Gabriel Fanous, President of Red Owl Boxing. We discuss his event on DAZN this Friday from the Commerce Casino in LA, the Red Owl Boxing business model and its future, why he chose to put his prelims on PPV and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in Boxing Rush
our show Fights around the World fight TTW dot com. Today,
I have a special guest. He is here in the
Sunshine State of California like myself, and he's got a
show coming up. His name is Gabriel Fenus, fans president
of Red Owl Boxing. They have a show October tenth
(01:56):
on Friday the Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. Gabriel, how
you doing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm very good man. Thank you for having me. It's
a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
All right, thank you man. Listen before we get into anything.
For those that may not know who you are, who
is Gabriel Fenus.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a father, I'm a husband,
I'm a partner to a lot of different people and businesses,
and I'm a lifelong boxing fan. I've just loved this
sport for a long time. I kind of stumbled into
it by accident, you know, trying to help a kid
out to become a world champion, which is the same
way that a lot of us get into this sport.
(02:36):
But you know, I just caught the bug. It's a
very fun project. It's a passion project for me, and
I just want to make a contribution to you know,
giving people opportunities to chase their dreams. I've been very fortunate.
I get to live out my dreams every day, so
you know, I got to pay it forward and help
some of these kids take it to the next step
in their careers. You know, that's what this project's all about,
(02:58):
all right.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And then so I was I was going to ask
you when the idea of getting into the boxing took place,
but you answered that, But the concept of red owl boxing,
how did that formulate?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well? Look, you know I noticed trying to help this
kid out. You know when I first stumbled into the
sport that like, at the time, which wasn't even that
long ago, but at the time, it was really difficult
to find fights for people if you weren't signed to
like a big promoter, or if you're you know, you're
maybe an Independent didn't have like a good management team
behind you. So I just realized, like, you know, Prospects
(03:33):
weren't really fighting at the time that I started doing this,
you know, and this is a prospect series for like
fighters between five and twenty wins, right, That's like the
genesis of it was, like, let's build a platform that's consistent,
Let's build some great storylines. Let's build an arena so
that we don't bounce around from one place to the next.
Let's put the infrastructure in place, Let's make an investment
(03:54):
in this sport, and let's see if we can put
on a good boxing product so that the fans can
enjoy it as much I enjoy putting it on. And
I do this because I love to do this. I
don't do this because I have to do this. So
it's just a matter of like, you know, trying to
play a part in helping the sport take, you know,
take it to the next level. And I've been very
(04:14):
happy to see that, Like, you know, ever since we
started doing it. Now more and more, you know, money
is being pumped into sport, more and more big players
are coming into it. Prospects series now have become more
popular and more people are spending time to develop prospects,
and it's just like, you know, that's the fun for me. Like,
you know, when I'm watching great fights, you know, it's
sometimes watching a guy that is unknown or or you know,
(04:37):
someone who's maybe like an amateur champion, has a pedigree,
or an Olympian, Okay, getting an opportunity to turn pro
and like, you know, see what they really got. And
to me, you know, it's just like some of the
best fights I've ever seen in my life. You know,
it's just like they weren't necessarily you know, perfect records.
Some of them were lopsided records. A lot of them
were not for any kind of like meaningful title. So
(04:59):
it's just like the sweet science is the sweet science.
We want to maintain the heritage of the sport, but
we want to highlight, you know, people who are trying
to be great in it, and great fighters and people
with a lot of heart that get in there and
like just put on a beautiful performance that the fans
can enjoy, you know. So I just I love it
and I'm just playing. I'm just trying to play my role,
(05:21):
you know, like I'm just doing my part. No, that's
all I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, and you guys have you know, took in a
different approach than most where if I'm mistaken, you you
are based out of Houston and have your own like
facility where you have events, and so you know that
is you know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
A unique, a unique approach to to trying to build
up a promotion company. But now you've you know, moved
on to getting out of Houston a little bit and
now you're in California doing the show.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What prompted you to do to make that move right now?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I'd like to build more of these facilities. Ideally,
I'd like to have them all over the place, you know,
if it makes sense. And part of the reason why
you know, we wanted to build the facility is just
to make the logistics of putting on a boxing event easier, right,
control the cost, maybe change the economics of how this
sport normally you know, functions, and also give the fans
(06:23):
a place. You know, this is a place that's just
built for boxing. So the consistency of the fan experience
is important to me. And it's just like you have
to have a place where it's like everybody knows, hey,
this is where it's going down. Okay, this I've been
to the Al's Nest before. This place is a vibe.
This place is fun. You know. It's just like I
got good music in there, I got great food in there,
I got alcohol in there, and it's like, you know,
let's just watch some fights and like, you know, that's
(06:45):
what we need. We need, we need consistency in this sport.
That's what we need. So you have to build your
own facility. And now we're thinking about expanding to different markets.
So we're going to take our show on the road
and try out a bunch of different markets. Obviously, Los
Angeles is a great you know, traditionally a great fight market.
Great fighters have come out of LA and it's like
a lot of Mexican fans and people who love this sport,
(07:08):
like you know, so of course, let's see if if
LA makes sense, if they like what we're doing, if
they don't like what we're doing, like you know, let's
just explore different places and then we'll go back to
Houston and we'll continue doing what we're doing in Houston.
But it's just I mean, if if if I can
make it makes sense financially in a non traditional way,
(07:29):
you know that that'll make that'll make doing these shows
a lot easier for the long term.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
All right, And then I'm gonna put a pin in
that last comment because I'm gonna circle back to it
here in a second. But I want to know what
has been your biggest accomplishment so far with Red Out Boxing,
and and maybe one of the most difficult hurdles to.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Overcome, I mean, the most difficult hurtle is is always
changing landscape of boxing, you know, consists in the past
three and a half years, right, So, like that's the
thing about it. It's just like, you know, the media
landscape is changing, the players in boxing are changing the
boxing itself, you know, like some of the type of
(08:12):
fights that we've traditionally seen, you know, is evolving and changing. Right.
So it's a matter of like, you know, just like
anything else in life, in any other business, Okay, you
have to constantly evolve, you have to constantly innovate, you
have to constantly stay on top of it. That's what
I think we're trying to do. I mean, our greatest accomplishment,
to be honest with you, I think it's like putting
together the storylines for each fight card that we that
(08:36):
we put out there. So the storytelling is also something
really really important to me, Like I want to highlight,
you know, where these fighters are in their stage in
their career, Like, tell me a little bit about yourself,
like why do you fight? What's your background? Where do
you come from? Like, you know, why do you love
this board, why do you do it? You know, what's
your family, like, you know what your you know, just
(08:56):
tell just tell the fans a little bit about like,
you know, why we're choosing to put on right. So,
I think having an intro fight every box fest is great.
That's that was like a great accomplishment. I think having
a redemption fight every box fest is also another great accomplishment,
you know, having a crowning where it's like, you know,
(09:19):
the main event, it's two fighters that are trying to,
you know, take the next step in their career, typically
fighting for some kind of like a meaningful belt and
like a ranking. So I think that's unique value proposition
that red out boxing focuses on. And I think that's
not you know, I haven't seen it done exactly like that.
(09:40):
And honestly, like at the end of the day, I'm
just trying to put on a broadcast and a television
product that if I was sitting at home on a
Saturday night, which I typically do and watch boxing. It's
just this is the type of show that I would
want to watch and enjoy, and I want to see
great fights. I want to see fifty to fifty fights,
like you know, I want. I want to see the
heart of line. They don't like, I don't want any
(10:01):
soft touches on my shows. Like this is like winning
or losing is not really as important as like what
kind of effort somebody puts in the ring. And honestly,
I don't think, you know, in the future of this sport,
I don't think your record's gonna matter that much to
have like a flawless record. So I think that's just
the era that and I think we're gonna get that it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, I believe that. And listen on Friday
night Commerce Casino. Right, your main event is Deontay Brown
sixteen and oh I missed you.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah sixteen and oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Your video went out.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Oh sorry, sorry, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So sixteen and oh eleven KOs against Grimardi Machuka seventeen
and two four KOs for the WBA Continental America super
Featherweight title. Your video went out again and give us
a little insight on why this fight was picked to
headline on this specific event.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, Deonty Brown is a really talented kid. We
believe in him, and he's a southpaw, He's slick, you know,
he he knows how to take care of himself in there,
and it says styles make fights, you know. So it's
just like we're putting them in tough against an opponent
there that like, you know, a lot of people, like
I feel like, and he feels like, you know, Deontay Brown,
a lot of people have been ducking him, you know.
(11:28):
So it's just like, you know, we want to see,
you know, if he can test himself. We want to
see him be great. We want to see if he
could take the next step to in his career, and
we're excited to watch his fight. I mean, like, it's
not again all the fights that we try to put on, Okay,
these are really truly we try to make him fifty
to fifty fights. I think that's part of the message
(11:49):
that we want to get across is that, like you know,
wind loser draw is not as important as putting on
a great fight, and that's that's our philosophy on that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And and so you have, aside from the main card
that's on the zone that will stream at eleven pm
Eastern APM Pacific, you have a nine bout preliminary card. Now,
this is where I'm circling back to your last comment,
because this one is going to stream on starfund Dot
(12:19):
stream for thirty four to ninety nine, which I've been
You know, you probably haven't followed me enough to know
that I've been like real hard on pay per view
and fights and events being behind a paywall. What made
you go this route for the prelims and what told
(12:42):
you that this is the right move to make for
the for the people that are already maybe paying to
subscribe to the zone to see your main card.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what we're trying to do is we're trying to
explore different ways of doing things. Okay, so part of
the reason why we're coming out to US Angeles is
to you know, learn a little bit of things that
are happening in different markets, how people are doing things.
We're not saying it's the right move, We're not saying
it's the wrong move. We're saying that, hey, this is
an experimental endeavor for us to take this show on
(13:16):
the road and to go different places, right, And if
there's an audience there at the behind the pay per
view wall that otherwise would not be exposed to red
out boxing, you know, that's something we're trying to explore.
Like at the end of the day, you know, we
might be doing boxing, but at the end of the day,
this is a content business, okay. So it's just like
you have to get as many eyeballs as you possibly can.
(13:38):
It was a very ineffit like in like not not
costly way, you know, for us to try to see
if there's like a broader audience out there. So it's
just like, let's just try it, man, Let's just try it.
Like I'm not afraid to try different things, right. I
do have my personal view on pay per view versus
like you know, streaming, you know, and what the future
(13:58):
of this sport looks like, right, And you know, I
of course, like you know, the pay per view model
these days, Like you know, it's like you go, I
was at Canelo Crawford fight, forty four million people streaming
it on Netflix. I mean, like you know, like I said,
the landscape in the media is changing, right, So what
we're trying to do is we're just trying to you know,
(14:19):
understand exactly how we can build an audience that loves
our product. You know. That's that's the main thing that
we're trying to do. There's no right or wrong way
to do it, you know. Like you know, like I'll
tell you just from being in business for as long
as I've been in business, Okay, it's just like a
lot of it's trial by everybody. Yeah, I mean that's
that's that's what it is. And we're not we're not
(14:41):
afraid to do different things and be unconventional, I think,
Like I think that's uh, Like you know, you mentioned
it yourself, Like we we decided to take like a
really unconventional path to begin with, you know, in this
in this project and in this endeavor. Right, but you
know from what I understand, like you know about you
and like you know you're your background is that like
you're a true fight fan, you know, and and like
(15:04):
I'll be honest with you, okay, bro, Like, like I
sincerely mean this from the bottom of my heart. Okay,
I'm putting this product out for people like you who
truly love this sport. Okay, I love this sport too,
you know, and I just like it's like almost like
you know, you're putting your art out there. You're putting
your art out there, You're putting your passion out there.
You're you know, it's just like you want people to
(15:25):
appreciate it. So to me, it's just like I just
want as many people to appreciate it as as I
possibly can get exposure to, you know, and hopefully it
continues to grow like that. You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Now, now somebody who may come back to you and
argue and say that, well, if you want the most eyeballs,
you could put it on YouTube, but then you won't get.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You Well, I'm not opposed to putting it on YouTube, okay,
you know. And and then as a matter of fact,
I'll tell you something else, is that, like you know,
in Houston, we typically don't have this large of an undercard.
That's another learning that that we're learning here in California. Right,
California apparently likes a lot of undercard. Right. It's just
like you know, like we like, we like, we typically
(16:08):
don't follow this type of structure, but again we're open
to it, right, and we're gonna see if it works
and what works and what doesn't work. And you know,
we can we can pick and choose what we like
to do. But absolutely, if you know, if that's what
the fans want and they want to put it on YouTube,
I'm totally fine with that, man. Like I'm totally fine
with that, you know. I just wish that people tune in.
Like the part of the outreach that we're doing here
(16:30):
and doing these interviews and letting people know is because
we want people to know, Hey, this is this is uh,
this is a company that cares about boxing.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Fans absolutely all right. And then so I guess, ultimately,
why should fans tune in period, whether it's the prelims,
whether it's the main card, the zone, whether it's both,
whether it's live at the commerce casino. Why should fans
be interested in this event?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, you know, this is this is a boxing
fans love letter to other boxing fans, Okay, I mean
this is a passion project for me. Man, I'm telling
you the truth. Okay, Like you know, I don't I
don't have to do it, but I do it because
I love to do it, and I'm trying to put
out a good boxing product for fans to enjoy. And
(17:22):
I know, I know there's like a you know, there's
a group of hardcore boxing fans out there, especially in
the United States, that are like me that like, you know,
just watch any kind of boxing. You know that you
can get your eyeballs on right and you know, you
watch a red out boxing show, you know you can
you can expect an intro fight, you can you can
expect a redemption fight. You can expect a crowning fight,
(17:45):
you know, and you can expect great fights. Man, Like,
That's that's what it's all about. And you know, we
got Sean Porter on the broadcast. We've got Corey Erdman
doing doing his thing, right. We we we try to
we try to bring great talent. We try to put
together a great product. We're trying to build a brand. Okay,
this is a brand that I want to be recognized
for just great you know, great content, great fights, and
(18:07):
a great time. Like if you're at commerce, because you know,
I hope we're going to have a great time, and
I hope to see you there too, if you want
to come out and have a good time, okay, because
I'm like, I'm in it to have fun too. Like
you know, I'm like, you know, I don't just put
on their shows, Like I mean, I'm there, I'm having
a great time. All my friends come out with me,
you know, like we we live in Toronto, so it's
like a lot of people fly out to these shows
with me and we just have fun. So it's a
(18:29):
great project. It's very rewarding, you know what. Who knows, man,
maybe there's one or two world champions that come out
of this platform, and it's like that's not a bad thing, right.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So absolutely absolutely, Lastly, what do you have in store
for twenty twenty six that fans can be can look
forward to?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Only twenty six? We're going to continue to take a
show on the road. Okay, La is our first stop, Right,
We're looking at other markets, right, We're looking at potentially Philadelphia, Florida,
Kansas City, flowing those places. But we want to you know,
continue to bring great fights to fans. You know, as
you know, our main broadcast distribution partners, the own. Okay,
(19:12):
all of our fights can be can be watched on
his own, and uh, you know, we're gonna keep signing
great and we're gonna keep giving them an opportunity to shine.
And next year it's gonna be you know, the best
is yet to come. Let's let's try to do something
great man. We're chasing greatness out here, man, that's what
we're trying to do. Okay, and you know, hopefully there's
(19:33):
a there's a market for greatness. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's a Listen, Gabrael. I appreciate your time. Thank you
so much. With with everything that you got going on.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thank you so much, man. And any show that I do,
you're more than welcome to come out. Bro. You just
send me a note and I get your credential break.
Thank man.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I appreciate that
Worldwide, every weight class.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's low is he in?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Uh huh, Whiskey fight uh huh. It's the Boxing Rush
Shower shown coasted by Abraham Gunzalet's know what you came forth? Yes,
indeed this way you come to get your info. Listen
out all the shows throwing it out. It's the Box
and Rush Showers Show. Let's go win the ring. We
throw hands hock, the gun held POWs and the little
(00:29):
critical comments every year necessary of every up opinions, we
heavy on to win it. This podcast is to break
down the paper dude for boxing Curvis, you'll let this
man through the drive rights a frist sight that the
prize right hands taped up and gloves todd sight they made.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right? Thank you for tuning into the Boxing Rush
Hour Show. I have some exciting news. I'm thrilled to
announce my partnership with Bett Stamp and sign Up Expert,
opening up an incredible opportunity for you to join some
of my favorite sports books. With the packs boxing schedule
coming up, there's no better time than now to get started.
Head over to my dedicated page at signupexpert dot com
(01:15):
slash fights atw to explore selection of sportsbooks tailor to
your region, each with unique offerings. If you're ready to
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You can easily find it in the description below. All Right,
(01:35):
ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in Boxing Rush
our show Fights around the World fight TTW dot com. Today,
I have a special guest. He is here in the
Sunshine State of California like myself, and he's got a
show coming up. His name is Gabriel Fenus, fans president
of Red Owl Boxing. They have a show October tenth
(01:56):
on Friday the Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. Gabriel, how
you doing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm very good man. Thank you for having me. It's
a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
All right, thank you man. Listen before we get into anything.
For those that may not know who you are, who
is Gabriel Fenus.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a father, I'm a husband,
I'm a partner to a lot of different people and businesses,
and I'm a lifelong boxing fan. I've just loved this
sport for a long time. I kind of stumbled into
it by accident, you know, trying to help a kid
out to become a world champion, which is the same
way that a lot of us get into this sport.
(02:36):
But you know, I just caught the bug. It's a
very fun project. It's a passion project for me, and
I just want to make a contribution to you know,
giving people opportunities to chase their dreams. I've been very fortunate.
I get to live out my dreams every day, so
you know, I got to pay it forward and help
some of these kids take it to the next step
in their careers. You know, that's what this project's all about,
(02:58):
all right.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And then so I was I was going to ask
you when the idea of getting into the boxing took place,
but you answered that, But the concept of red owl boxing,
how did that formulate?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well? Look, you know I noticed trying to help this
kid out. You know when I first stumbled into the
sport that like, at the time, which wasn't even that
long ago, but at the time, it was really difficult
to find fights for people if you weren't signed to
like a big promoter, or if you're you know, you're
maybe an Independent didn't have like a good management team
behind you. So I just realized, like, you know, Prospects
(03:33):
weren't really fighting at the time that I started doing this,
you know, and this is a prospect series for like
fighters between five and twenty wins, right, That's like the
genesis of it was, like, let's build a platform that's consistent,
Let's build some great storylines. Let's build an arena so
that we don't bounce around from one place to the next.
Let's put the infrastructure in place, Let's make an investment
(03:54):
in this sport, and let's see if we can put
on a good boxing product so that the fans can
enjoy it as much I enjoy putting it on. And
I do this because I love to do this. I
don't do this because I have to do this. So
it's just a matter of like, you know, trying to
play a part in helping the sport take, you know,
take it to the next level. And I've been very
(04:14):
happy to see that, Like, you know, ever since we
started doing it. Now more and more, you know, money
is being pumped into sport, more and more big players
are coming into it. Prospects series now have become more
popular and more people are spending time to develop prospects,
and it's just like, you know, that's the fun for me. Like,
you know, when I'm watching great fights, you know, it's
sometimes watching a guy that is unknown or or you know,
(04:37):
someone who's maybe like an amateur champion, has a pedigree,
or an Olympian, Okay, getting an opportunity to turn pro
and like, you know, see what they really got. And
to me, you know, it's just like some of the
best fights I've ever seen in my life. You know,
it's just like they weren't necessarily you know, perfect records.
Some of them were lopsided records. A lot of them
were not for any kind of like meaningful title. So
(04:59):
it's just like the sweet science is the sweet science.
We want to maintain the heritage of the sport, but
we want to highlight, you know, people who are trying
to be great in it, and great fighters and people
with a lot of heart that get in there and
like just put on a beautiful performance that the fans
can enjoy, you know. So I just I love it
and I'm just playing. I'm just trying to play my role,
(05:21):
you know, like I'm just doing my part. No, that's
all I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, and you guys have you know, took in a
different approach than most where if I'm mistaken, you you
are based out of Houston and have your own like
facility where you have events, and so you know that
is you know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
A unique, a unique approach to to trying to build
up a promotion company. But now you've you know, moved
on to getting out of Houston a little bit and
now you're in California doing the show.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
What prompted you to do to make that move right now?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I'd like to build more of these facilities. Ideally,
I'd like to have them all over the place, you know,
if it makes sense. And part of the reason why
you know, we wanted to build the facility is just
to make the logistics of putting on a boxing event easier, right,
control the cost, maybe change the economics of how this
sport normally you know, functions, and also give the fans
(06:23):
a place. You know, this is a place that's just
built for boxing. So the consistency of the fan experience
is important to me. And it's just like you have
to have a place where it's like everybody knows, hey,
this is where it's going down. Okay, this I've been
to the Al's Nest before. This place is a vibe.
This place is fun. You know. It's just like I
got good music in there, I got great food in there,
I got alcohol in there, and it's like, you know,
let's just watch some fights and like, you know, that's
(06:45):
what we need. We need, we need consistency in this sport.
That's what we need. So you have to build your
own facility. And now we're thinking about expanding to different markets.
So we're going to take our show on the road
and try out a bunch of different markets. Obviously, Los
Angeles is a great you know, traditionally a great fight market.
Great fighters have come out of LA and it's like
a lot of Mexican fans and people who love this sport,
(07:08):
like you know, so of course, let's see if if
LA makes sense, if they like what we're doing, if
they don't like what we're doing, like you know, let's
just explore different places and then we'll go back to
Houston and we'll continue doing what we're doing in Houston.
But it's just I mean, if if if I can
make it makes sense financially in a non traditional way,
(07:29):
you know that that'll make that'll make doing these shows
a lot easier for the long term.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
All right, And then I'm gonna put a pin in
that last comment because I'm gonna circle back to it
here in a second. But I want to know what
has been your biggest accomplishment so far with Red Out Boxing,
and and maybe one of the most difficult hurdles to.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Overcome, I mean, the most difficult hurtle is is always
changing landscape of boxing, you know, consists in the past
three and a half years, right, So, like that's the
thing about it. It's just like, you know, the media
landscape is changing, the players in boxing are changing the
boxing itself, you know, like some of the type of
(08:12):
fights that we've traditionally seen, you know, is evolving and changing. Right.
So it's a matter of like, you know, just like
anything else in life, in any other business, Okay, you
have to constantly evolve, you have to constantly innovate, you
have to constantly stay on top of it. That's what
I think we're trying to do. I mean, our greatest accomplishment,
to be honest with you, I think it's like putting
together the storylines for each fight card that we that
(08:36):
we put out there. So the storytelling is also something
really really important to me, Like I want to highlight,
you know, where these fighters are in their stage in
their career, Like, tell me a little bit about yourself,
like why do you fight? What's your background? Where do
you come from? Like, you know, why do you love
this board, why do you do it? You know, what's
your family, like, you know what your you know, just
(08:56):
tell just tell the fans a little bit about like,
you know, why we're choosing to put on right. So,
I think having an intro fight every box fest is great.
That's that was like a great accomplishment. I think having
a redemption fight every box fest is also another great accomplishment,
you know, having a crowning where it's like, you know,
(09:19):
the main event, it's two fighters that are trying to,
you know, take the next step in their career, typically
fighting for some kind of like a meaningful belt and
like a ranking. So I think that's unique value proposition
that red out boxing focuses on. And I think that's
not you know, I haven't seen it done exactly like that.
(09:40):
And honestly, like at the end of the day, I'm
just trying to put on a broadcast and a television
product that if I was sitting at home on a
Saturday night, which I typically do and watch boxing. It's
just this is the type of show that I would
want to watch and enjoy, and I want to see
great fights. I want to see fifty to fifty fights,
like you know, I want. I want to see the
heart of line. They don't like, I don't want any
(10:01):
soft touches on my shows. Like this is like winning
or losing is not really as important as like what
kind of effort somebody puts in the ring. And honestly,
I don't think, you know, in the future of this sport,
I don't think your record's gonna matter that much to
have like a flawless record. So I think that's just
the era that and I think we're gonna get that it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, I believe that. And listen on Friday
night Commerce Casino. Right, your main event is Deontay Brown
sixteen and oh I missed you.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah sixteen and oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Your video went out.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Oh sorry, sorry, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So sixteen and oh eleven KOs against Grimardi Machuka seventeen
and two four KOs for the WBA Continental America super
Featherweight title. Your video went out again and give us
a little insight on why this fight was picked to
headline on this specific event.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, Deonty Brown is a really talented kid. We
believe in him, and he's a southpaw, He's slick, you know,
he he knows how to take care of himself in there,
and it says styles make fights, you know. So it's
just like we're putting them in tough against an opponent
there that like, you know, a lot of people, like
I feel like, and he feels like, you know, Deontay Brown,
a lot of people have been ducking him, you know.
(11:28):
So it's just like, you know, we want to see,
you know, if he can test himself. We want to
see him be great. We want to see if he
could take the next step to in his career, and
we're excited to watch his fight. I mean, like, it's
not again all the fights that we try to put on, Okay,
these are really truly we try to make him fifty
to fifty fights. I think that's part of the message
(11:49):
that we want to get across is that, like you know,
wind loser draw is not as important as putting on
a great fight, and that's that's our philosophy on that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And and so you have, aside from the main card
that's on the zone that will stream at eleven pm
Eastern APM Pacific, you have a nine bout preliminary card. Now,
this is where I'm circling back to your last comment,
because this one is going to stream on starfund Dot
(12:19):
stream for thirty four to ninety nine, which I've been
You know, you probably haven't followed me enough to know
that I've been like real hard on pay per view
and fights and events being behind a paywall. What made
you go this route for the prelims and what told
(12:42):
you that this is the right move to make for
the for the people that are already maybe paying to
subscribe to the zone to see your main card.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, what we're trying to do is we're trying to
explore different ways of doing things. Okay, so part of
the reason why we're coming out to US Angeles is
to you know, learn a little bit of things that
are happening in different markets, how people are doing things.
We're not saying it's the right move, We're not saying
it's the wrong move. We're saying that, hey, this is
an experimental endeavor for us to take this show on
(13:16):
the road and to go different places, right, And if
there's an audience there at the behind the pay per
view wall that otherwise would not be exposed to red
out boxing, you know, that's something we're trying to explore.
Like at the end of the day, you know, we
might be doing boxing, but at the end of the day,
this is a content business, okay. So it's just like
you have to get as many eyeballs as you possibly can.
(13:38):
It was a very ineffit like in like not not
costly way, you know, for us to try to see
if there's like a broader audience out there. So it's
just like, let's just try it, man, Let's just try it.
Like I'm not afraid to try different things, right. I
do have my personal view on pay per view versus
like you know, streaming, you know, and what the future
(13:58):
of this sport looks like, right, And you know, I
of course, like you know, the pay per view model
these days, Like you know, it's like you go, I
was at Canelo Crawford fight, forty four million people streaming
it on Netflix. I mean, like you know, like I said,
the landscape in the media is changing, right, So what
we're trying to do is we're just trying to you know,
(14:19):
understand exactly how we can build an audience that loves
our product. You know. That's that's the main thing that
we're trying to do. There's no right or wrong way
to do it, you know. Like you know, like I'll
tell you just from being in business for as long
as I've been in business, Okay, it's just like a
lot of it's trial by everybody. Yeah, I mean that's
that's that's what it is. And we're not we're not
(14:41):
afraid to do different things and be unconventional, I think,
Like I think that's uh, Like you know, you mentioned
it yourself, Like we we decided to take like a
really unconventional path to begin with, you know, in this
in this project and in this endeavor. Right, but you
know from what I understand, like you know about you
and like you know you're your background is that like
you're a true fight fan, you know, and and like
(15:04):
I'll be honest with you, okay, bro, Like, like I
sincerely mean this from the bottom of my heart. Okay,
I'm putting this product out for people like you who
truly love this sport. Okay, I love this sport too,
you know, and I just like it's like almost like
you know, you're putting your art out there. You're putting
your art out there, You're putting your passion out there.
You're you know, it's just like you want people to
(15:25):
appreciate it. So to me, it's just like I just
want as many people to appreciate it as as I
possibly can get exposure to, you know, and hopefully it
continues to grow like that. You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Now, now somebody who may come back to you and
argue and say that, well, if you want the most eyeballs,
you could put it on YouTube, but then you won't get.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You Well, I'm not opposed to putting it on YouTube, okay,
you know. And and then as a matter of fact,
I'll tell you something else, is that, like you know,
in Houston, we typically don't have this large of an undercard.
That's another learning that that we're learning here in California. Right,
California apparently likes a lot of undercard. Right. It's just
like you know, like we like, we like, we typically
(16:08):
don't follow this type of structure, but again we're open
to it, right, and we're gonna see if it works
and what works and what doesn't work. And you know,
we can we can pick and choose what we like
to do. But absolutely, if you know, if that's what
the fans want and they want to put it on YouTube,
I'm totally fine with that, man. Like I'm totally fine
with that, you know. I just wish that people tune in.
Like the part of the outreach that we're doing here
(16:30):
and doing these interviews and letting people know is because
we want people to know, Hey, this is this is uh,
this is a company that cares about boxing.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Fans absolutely all right. And then so I guess, ultimately,
why should fans tune in period, whether it's the prelims,
whether it's the main card, the zone, whether it's both,
whether it's live at the commerce casino. Why should fans
be interested in this event?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean, you know, this is this is a boxing
fans love letter to other boxing fans, Okay, I mean
this is a passion project for me. Man, I'm telling
you the truth. Okay, Like you know, I don't I
don't have to do it, but I do it because
I love to do it, and I'm trying to put
out a good boxing product for fans to enjoy. And
(17:22):
I know, I know there's like a you know, there's
a group of hardcore boxing fans out there, especially in
the United States, that are like me that like, you know,
just watch any kind of boxing. You know that you
can get your eyeballs on right and you know, you
watch a red out boxing show, you know you can
you can expect an intro fight, you can you can
expect a redemption fight. You can expect a crowning fight,
(17:45):
you know, and you can expect great fights. Man, Like,
That's that's what it's all about. And you know, we
got Sean Porter on the broadcast. We've got Corey Erdman
doing doing his thing, right. We we we try to
we try to bring great talent. We try to put
together a great product. We're trying to build a brand. Okay,
this is a brand that I want to be recognized
for just great you know, great content, great fights, and
(18:07):
a great time. Like if you're at commerce, because you know,
I hope we're going to have a great time, and
I hope to see you there too, if you want
to come out and have a good time, okay, because
I'm like, I'm in it to have fun too. Like
you know, I'm like, you know, I don't just put
on their shows, Like I mean, I'm there, I'm having
a great time. All my friends come out with me,
you know, like we we live in Toronto, so it's
like a lot of people fly out to these shows
with me and we just have fun. So it's a
(18:29):
great project. It's very rewarding, you know what. Who knows, man,
maybe there's one or two world champions that come out
of this platform, and it's like that's not a bad thing, right.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So absolutely absolutely, Lastly, what do you have in store
for twenty twenty six that fans can be can look
forward to?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Only twenty six? We're going to continue to take a
show on the road. Okay, La is our first stop, Right,
We're looking at other markets, right, We're looking at potentially Philadelphia, Florida,
Kansas City, flowing those places. But we want to you know,
continue to bring great fights to fans. You know, as
you know, our main broadcast distribution partners, the own. Okay,
(19:12):
all of our fights can be can be watched on
his own, and uh, you know, we're gonna keep signing
great and we're gonna keep giving them an opportunity to shine.
And next year it's gonna be you know, the best
is yet to come. Let's let's try to do something
great man. We're chasing greatness out here, man, that's what
we're trying to do. Okay, and you know, hopefully there's
(19:33):
a there's a market for greatness. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
That's a Listen, Gabrael. I appreciate your time. Thank you
so much. With with everything that you got going on.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thank you so much, man. And any show that I do,
you're more than welcome to come out. Bro. You just
send me a note and I get your credential break.
Thank man.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I appreciate that
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