Michael Wolff

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, what do you think about how Donald Trump has
responded to the death of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think it's pernicious in the way he's responded to it.
I think he's put Charlie Kirk's death to political use,
and I think he's put it to dangerous political use.
I mean, without knowing the facts. This is before we
had a suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk, Donald

(00:27):
Trump was out essentially saying that the left, the liberals,
the Democrats, and anyone who might oppose him was complicit
in the killing of Charlie Kirk. This is both not
only just specious wrong, but it's obviously irresponsible. And I
can't help feeling that perhaps part of the issue is

(00:52):
that he can't talk about he can't come to grips
with this, that maybe in his mind, inside Trump's head,
it's too associated and how could it not be with
the the with his own assassination attempt. Uh So, I

(01:13):
think I think in some way he is running from this,
this death, instead of trying to do what a leader
ought to be doing at this point. And and you know,
expressing grief and empathy here.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
So, Michael Wolfe, what a terrible week for us not
to both be in New York together. But first of all,
where the hell are you?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, I am in I am not in Scotland, but
I am very near Scotland.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
You mean you're in you know?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean, I'll say you do have no way?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh, actually I'm actually you know, I don't exactly know
I am. I was in London. I am in London
for the next week, and we've taken a weekend excursion
to a friend's house. Not in Scotland, but close to Scotland.
I would like, I in County Durham.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
In County Durham. Well, whilst there was a very funny
moment in my day yesterday when you called me and
there was a lot of background noise and you were like,
I'm at King's Cross Station, as if as if it
was some sort of other worldly place, when in fact
it's actually rather a fabulous station, which I know well
because I often take the train from London to up

(02:38):
to the norths of England. Where you are now you
would and where you are from where I am from?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Who I am, where you are where once.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Were almost almost I was a little further down from
County Durham in Yorkshire. But anyway, I'm sorry that we're
not together in the studio, but I'm relieved to talk
to you and I'm very curious to get your take
on what is really been a remarkable week in America.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
No, well, it is, and this is a major event.
You know, a terrible event occurred and now we're dealing
with the aftermath of this. And you know, the thing,
the thing about about political a killing of a major
political figure or an emerging major political figure, is that

(03:26):
it does become a political event. Now, curiously and somewhat
hard to understand. One of the things that's coming out
of the White House and out of the the MAGA
people is is a determination not to let anyone talk
about this as a political event. And I'm still not

(03:48):
sure what exactly what the meaning of that of that is.
So the response is you you have to you have
to express in enormous uh solidarity with the family grief
whichever everyone is basically doing. There's not anyone who is

(04:10):
saying saying, obviously that this is that this is a
good thing that happened. This is a bad thing that happened.
But it is also a thing that has now it
is now central in this moment of political time, and
I think to try to understand what that means is

(04:30):
is a important in being going to take some do it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
And of course Charlie Kirk was a political figure, but
it doesn't seem like this was a wildly political act.
It seems like an act of a young, disconnected young man.
I mean, there are many parallelsks.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No and and yes and the school shooters everywhere, again
and again and again and again we have seen this
the confluence.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Of what whatever, whatever deep emotional issues have gone wrong
for someone and access to firearms.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right, access to powerful firearms. So what are you actually
hearing from people within the White House about how they
deal with this going forward?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think that they they don't know, and they are
now responding to this thing, and I think that they're
you know, I was picking up in the conversations. I
had some reluctance from people around the president. But now
as he has embraced this, that it becomes the thing
that they too have to embrace, which is that Charlie

(05:52):
Kirk and the death of Charlie Kirk is going is
now the weapon to be used against against enemies. Are
all perceived political enemies, and obviously that's incredibly scary, incredibly frightening,
and incredibly wrong.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
There was a strange moment yesterday which you may have
missed just because of time difference and things, where Donald
Trump is asked by a reporter how he's doing, because really,
this has obviously been a terrible week for him for
all sorts of other reasons which will come to in
a moment. But he says, how are you doing, you know,

(06:36):
with the death of Charlie Kirk, And Trump says, well,
I'm actually doing fine. Over there, there are the trucks.
They've pulled up. They're here to do the ballroom and
the ball I'm very excited about the ballroom. There hasn't
been a ballroom in the White House, you know, and
we're now building one. As if he'd already moved on,
and he was spotted at the Yankees game. While he
was spotted, he made a big thing of being at

(06:57):
the Yankees game where he was sort of done sing away,
and it just felt like he'd immediately moved on. It
was very strange behavior.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I think it's also very hard for Trump and
matter of fact, like I can't think of an instance,
possibly briefly after his own assassity, attend the Butler assassination
tempt on him. But he doesn't talk about personal feelings.
He never talks about personal feelings. Everything is exterior for

(07:32):
Donald Trump and so and so, and that's I think
part of what's what's happened here is, you know, Charlie Kirk,
and a lot of the people in the White House
knew Charlie Kirk. A lot of people in the Maga thing.
I I've met Charlie Kirk a couple of times, seemed
like actually a very personable guy. And I think they

(07:54):
knew him. They had, they had they had strong personal
feelings about him. And I think that's very hard to
process and what it has now come for for Trump.
And I think Trump also knew him, liked him, felt
a rapport for him in that this is now but
because Trump can't express this, this has become this this

(08:17):
this other thing. It's vengeance for Charlie Kirk. Uh you know,
it's the it's the left or the liberals who killed
Charlie Kirk. And and and our commitment now is to
going after them. So uh, you know, once more, it's
this weird moment in which everybody seems to be having

(08:40):
a great deal of trouble processing this on a normal
human level. This is a terrible thing that has happened.
It happened because of a disturbed kid with a firearm,
and it really has I think we can argue very
little meaning beyond that. And it is only now with

(09:03):
this reaction and the Maga reaction, in the White House's reaction,
in Trump's reaction turning into something else.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Well, and the reaction obviously has been that there was
clearly a rush to judgment, the assumption that this was
done by someone on the left. The grandmother of the
boy who is the alleged killer came out and said
they didn't even know any Democrats. This was a Maga family.
They were all supportive of Donald Trump, which also adds
to their confusion. I'm sure into how to respond to it.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
A total well, I mean, the response began before we
even knew. And that's another issue here of that inability
to wait to see what happened here, what are the
facts here? Then complicated by the whole FBI's response in
this in which they became a laughingstock. I mean, so

(09:58):
we it's it's no surprise that Cash Patel and and
what's his.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Name but Dan Bongino his number two.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yes, I mean these these, these two guys who have
no business being anywhere near a leadership role in the
FBI screwed the whole thing up, a cockup of enormous proportions,
So so it becomes necessary somehow to cover that up,
or at least at least somehow distract from the fact

(10:32):
that once again the Trump administration is beset by incompetence.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Well, let me just ask you something though, because they
did get the guy. Was it a cockup of enormous proportions?
I mean, thirty hours later after the assassination, the guy
is in custody.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, because his family called up and said and said
you better come, and you better come and get this guy.
So that had turned out to have almost nothing to
do with the FBI. And what the FBI did was
muddle the whole thing, a set up a situation which

(11:10):
immediately fed all kinds of conspiracy theories, violated all protocols
in terms of when this was announced, announced, making announcements,
everybody rushing onto social media for their own person for
their own individual purposes instead of following procedures. And this

(11:31):
includes not only cash Betel but also Donald Trump. And
again it's cannot can't you have to ask the question
or you have to come to the conclusion that this
administration is is the thing that most characterizes it is

(11:54):
that they hired all kinds of people who shouldn't have
been hired to do jobs that they have no ex experience,
which would which would uh let them do the jobs
in any kind of professional way.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, you're certainly right that people ran to social media.
I mean, it really is government by social media, now,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think that that's yeah, And
I think much of the response here, the response to
to Charlie Kirk's death, is a social media led response,
and then much of the now current reaction today is
a reaction to other people's social media So, you know,
I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, Tucker Carlson

(12:37):
did a did a thing which I saw incredibly fatuous,
in which he went down the the Twitter or the
ex accounts of various unnamed people of no consequence whatsoever,
who were saying things that he felt were inappropriate about

(12:58):
about Charlie Kirk's death. And the point of this is
people say inappropriate things all the time. So in the
point here, this is a larger social movement according to
Tucker Carlson, And this is all all to to demonize

(13:20):
now the left, I give up. I mean, nothing makes
sense here.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, it's also very difficult to understand why they want
to live in this world with heightened fear, heightened violence.
This just seems a very scary place for America to
be going.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, I mean, let's let's I mean, I think that
there is a conclusion that we can we can jump to.
Is that they is that they see value for themselves
in living in this world. They see value in us
against them, They see value in in in declaring their

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own righteousness and the and the in the absolute opposite
for the left, or the liberals or the Democrats, whoever,
they whoever, the people who are opposed them oppose them
not for legitimate reasons, but for illegitimate reasons.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
To what extent do you think that Charlie Kirk's death
and the manner in which it happened at a rally,
shot at from two hundred yards away or two hundred
feet away, brought back Trump's own experience at Butler Pennsylvania.
I mean, it seems something well.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Over. I mean, it certainly should have. I mean, or
you could say, how could it not? How could Trump
not see this? But he doesn't seem to be relating,
relating to it in that way A I mean, I mean,
I haven't heard heard a word of a word out

(15:09):
of Trump's mouth, which which suggests that there is a personal,
a personal connection to a horrifying event here. And you know,
I mean again, I think this is about he doesn't respond,
is incapable of responding personally.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's been a terrible week for him too. I mean, physically,
the week looks like it's taken its toll. He was
on the breakfast sofa on Fox News on Friday, and
he just looked tiny compared to the three people. He
looked like physically, your your description of Steve Bannon's description

(15:57):
of him as a giant shrimp, the shrimp is curling
in on itself. He was physically smaller than the three
people sitting around him, and you just felt, this is
very unpresidential to be sitting on the Fox News sofa.
And there were all sorts of reports that they'd actually
delayed the news of the capture of Tyler Robinson so

(16:18):
that he could announce it on the Fox News sofa.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, I'm sure that that is that, that is true.
You know. Again, another strange aspect of this that that
that they wanted to own this. They want to own
Charlie Kirk, they want to own the uh this this
terrible event, and they want to put it to use.

(16:46):
So I I mean, it's it's horrifying and I and
I hope actually it it passes that that having that,
having this, having caught this, this young guy, everybody realizes
this is vastly more complicated. This is not in the

(17:07):
end a political act. But then having said that, the
other thing is that Trump comes to that couch, and
Trump comes to suddenly wanting to make this this uh this,
this announcement in being the hero of this event because
things have been been going so poorly for for him.

(17:27):
I mean, we have we have the Russians. The Russians,
the intensity of the Russian attack on Ukraine has actually
become significantly greater than before Trump got involved and basically
said he was gonna, I'm going to solve the problem.
I'm going to Alaska, I'm gonna I'm gonna take care

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of this, well, clearly he's not only taken care of
not taking care of it, but probably made it significantly worse.
Then we have the Russians, the Russian incursion into Poland.
I mean, this is a this is a serious thing,
I mean, and it's a serious test of NATO, which
Trump has, you know, pretty systematically tried to undermine. Plus,

(18:15):
we have inflation numbers that are that are more than
worrisome and which match what virtually everyone said would be
the effect of the Trump tariffs. So again, and this
is all a level of incompetence. They can't do anything right.
And and let's let's not forget RFK Junior in the

(18:37):
middle middle of this, appearing before Congress, and and uh
with almost everybody, everybody except the most extreme MAGA faction
lined up to say, hey, wait a minute, could this
really be Are we really doing this to the American

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healthcare system? You know? And I got a feeling that
that that Trump himself, and this is what I understand
is is is pretty squeamish about this. He keeps asking
people about about r F K Junior, and you know,
he asked them, well, what how do you think he's
he's doing? And then he says, you know, but he's

(19:20):
a Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So so that's interesting. So you sense that there could
be a bit of division between the two of them.
He is hiring from people I do.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, I think there is a division between r
f K Junior in almost everybody and even Trump. I mean,
you know, Trump is a is a kind of a
on on many levels. Trump is actually a normal person.
I mean, he goes, he goes to the doctor, he's

(19:52):
he's he's concerned about these things. He's concerned about his
own health, he's concerned about about his family's health, and
uh and what is And he is as well as
everyone else, asking the question what is RFK doing? Does
he know what he's doing? Now? For Trump, it's like, well,

(20:14):
he's a Kennedy, so so he can't be all bad.
Again and again we see these things. He's chosen these people,
He's put these people in place who should not be there.
And now, you know, chickens come home to roost.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So do you think there is anyone around him holding
holding the line for America's science community and healthcare?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I mean, who would be whispering in his ear about RFK?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know, I think what will happen in this situation
is that people will not say anything. No one is
going to say No. One is going to be put
in put themselves in the position of contradicting Trump until
he wants to be contradicted, until he wants someone to
say I think RFK is a catastrophe. Let's fire him.

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That's not going to come from anybody else but from Trump.
But what will happen is people will say nothing. And
so I think that's what's going on in the White House.
Nobody is saying that RFK is a genius. No, I
will say that.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
And that silence. Does he hear that silence?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
No, not necessarily until he wants to hear.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It, until he wants to hear it. Right, And what
are the what are the sort of saner people, if
one can put it like that in the cabinet? How
are they feeling about things at the moment, Because if
you're Scott bessen't you're seeing that the economy isn't where
they promised it would be. They, you know, Marco Ruvio

(22:01):
must be looking at what's going on with Russia and thinking, well,
this isn't what I expected as Secretary of State, or
do you think they've just completely rolled over.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, they have two lives, parallel lives. There's the life
of what they really think and and there's the life
in which they interact with Donald Trump. And and in
many instances there's no crossover there. I mean, you know,
in order to survive in this job as working for
Donald Trump, then you have to say what Donald Trump

(22:35):
wants you to say. There's no other alternative. That's it. Meanwhile,
you know, you're not None of these people are necessarily stupid.
Some of them are stupid, But Scott Bessen isn't stupid.
Would I wouldn't put him necessarily at the top of

(22:57):
the class. But he's he's not not stupid and knows
that at some point this is the the economy is
going to be. He's going to have to own that.
So that's going to be scary for him. Marco Rubio
like likewise, I mean, Marco Rubio actually is not stupid
and has had a long experience and long involvement in

(23:21):
international matters, has had a well documented point of view
which he is now contradicting in almost every aspect, and
he knows that he is going to he is going
to be held ultimately somebody, if not Donald Trump, then
history is going to hold him account to account here.

(23:42):
So you know, I think in every instance they just
wait and hope that circumstances will break in a way
that Trump will be open to a different approach history.
But circumstances may not break, and it may well be

(24:02):
too late.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You're in England at the moment and the British Ambassador
to Washington, Peter Mandelson, has just been forced to resign
over his letter in the Birthday Book to Jeffrey Epstein.
Can you tell us the reaction going on there? This
is a sort of probably two Americans, a minor diplomatic
incident of not much import yet it's another scalp that's

(24:28):
fallen to the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah. Well, I think that there are two things things,
certainly for us to consider the Birthday Book and how
that is overshadow or in Trump's week, and how Epstein
himself continues to overshadow everything that happens with Donald Trump.
As for Peterman, you know, for us, for the British

(24:55):
ambassador to the US. You know, this is essentially the
third time he's been caught up in a scandal and
been fired. He has actually seems to have an extraordinary
number of lives here.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Well. He was a huge enabler of the Labor Party
getting elected, which is why he's been able to survive,
perhaps better than other politicians. But for those not following
the story, perhaps as closely as some of us were,
there was a rather remarkable moment where he apologized for
his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein on the BBC on the

(25:36):
morning radio show, which is sort of the equivalent to
Good Morning America, I suppose in Britain. And he said,
and there are more embarrassing revelations to come, and then
didn't go into it, and everybody was left saying what
And I must have got a handful of texts from
people saying, do you know what the embarrassing revelations are?

(25:58):
And it turned out to be an article that was
coming out in Bloomberg that that detailed more of his
reliance on Jeffrey Epstein, And.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That's true, and and and Epstein spoke to me about
about Mandelssohn, who he liked very much and they had
a very close relationship. I mean, I mean I think
that that's that this is, you know whatever, I think
the thing to process. And this is also true before
for Donald Trump and I think for other people close

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to Donald Trump, is that these were very close friendships
these people had with Jeffrey Epstein. That was part of
jeff Jeffrey Epstein's talent he made He made friends with
with many people, and he was a good friend to them,
supporting them in all kinds of kinds of ways, in

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in the ways, in the ways of a friend, of
being available, of being on the phone, of of telling
them what doctors to go to, of helping to get
their children into school, of just just being available. Well,
it's not that makes it sound like he was he
was a manipulator, which I'm sure he he also was,

(27:16):
but he was also a genuine friend. He was there,
he would talk to you when you wanted to talk.
He would, you know. He he is someone that many
people came to trust. And I think that was true
about Donald Trump, and it was true about Peter Mandelsson

(27:39):
very much true. And and also Jeffrey Epstein helped Peter
Mandelson over some difficult personal situations that he had. And
and so all of these guys now are are are.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
The The affect is that they barely knew him, or
they wish they didn't know they wish they hadn't known him,
or they barely knew him. And I'm sure in hindsight
they did wish they didn't know him, but they did
know him and did know him very well, including and
this is, you know, always on the central headline, is

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that one of the people who knew him best, in
one of the people Epstein knew best, was Donald Trump.
And you know, we went into this week with this,
with this, this birthday book, and a strangled effort on
the part of the of the White House. I mean,

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and I still don't know where they they they hoped
they were going with this or where it will end
up that this birthday letter from Donald Trump to Jeffrey
Epstein on the occasion of Epstein's fiftieth birthday was not
written by Donald Trump when patently, obviously, in indubitably it

(29:05):
was written by Donald Trump. And they have called it
a hoax. But then, but then when they've been confronted, Okay,
so you mean these documents are a hoax, It's like, no,
well you're not. We didn't say the documents are a hoax.
We said we said the Democrats are perpetuating a hoax
by somehow associating Trump with Epstein. It's the dialectic here

(29:31):
is so strangled that that I can't help but think
that we're going to get the truth.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, it's also so, I mean, the choice of words
in the birthday letter are wonderful secret. I mean, it
not only feeds into everything we now know about Epstein,
but it makes Donald Trump look complicit.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, they were closely involved in each other's lives at
a very I you know, pick the words in intimate level.
And that's what Donald Trump is running from, running and

(30:22):
running and running to the extent that almost everything that
he does certainly can be read as a effort to
distract from this.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well, certainly the spotlight has moved off the birthday letters
this week, but I think that we should dip into
the birthday letters again next week. And some of them
were very perfunctory, and they were like, hey, Jeffrey, have
a great birthday, But some of them went into really
extraordinary detail about what a good friend he was. The
sinister pictures of Jeffrey handing balloons to children and childlike drawings,

(31:01):
it's a very wasn't a disturbing book and it's supremely.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Very well it, yes, but it is also a telling book.
And the tell is about Jeffrey Epstein lived a a
sex life, a civil rights life, a life with with
with is as as far from as far from from

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standard middle class values as you can possibly get. And
again the headline is that Donald Trump participated in that life.
Donald Trump was very much in law, involved in in
the the lifestyle which we now associate with Jeffrey Epstein,

(31:51):
of pursuing women. Uh that that that is that that
that is a central, a central quest in a central
factor of their lives, of both of their lives.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
And also I'm very mindful of Jeffrey Epstein helping finance
Jean Luke Brunell, who was a French model owner who
got accused in France of rape, the rape of underage girls.
That Jeffrey Epstein financed MC two, a modeling company in
the US, with the hope of rehabilitating Brunel, who in

(32:30):
fact got reaccused and died of suicide in theory, like Epstein,
in a French jail.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
So we'll realize, I mean, I mean, so we know,
you know, the model culture is a bad culture. It
thrives for a period, and then people understood, hey, this
is bad, this is really this is this is out
of control. And it has largely been well, to a

(33:05):
greater or lesser extent, been corrected and restrained since then.
But during that period in which it thrived in a
truly unregulated sense, Donald Jeffrey Epstein was very much a
part of it, and so was Donald Trump. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I remember when Diane from Furstenberg became the head of
the CFDA, the Council for Fashion Design in America, she
insisted that models walking the runway had to be sixteen
years old.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And even sixteen years old.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Sixteen, you know, well, I'm now wondering if it was eighteen.
But she put an age restriction on it, which was
the first time anybody had done it. And the truth
is that the modeling agencies really became disrupted by social
media and by influencers who took matters into their own
hand and started modeling, and you got the you know,
you got the advent of street fashion. I mean, it

(33:59):
was a an economic disruption as much as it was
people saying this world isn't working.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
You know, of course, but that era passed or has
changed in significant ways. But the era in which Jeffrey
Epstein and Donald Trump were involved in.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
It was the era in which bad stuff happened. Bad
stuff happened. Michael, It's a sober note this week, a
sober note. Last week you said you were concerned for America,
and it's hard not to think that that concern has passed.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's a very strange week.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well, no, no, I mean I mean that concern has
come to pass. I think you mean because the concern
has not certainly not not passed. And I would go
back to the thing that I am certainly most worried
about in this this week is the response from the
White House about about Charlie Kirk and making this a.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Well, they've weaponized his death right in.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Pain, a campaign against people who disagree with the White House.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Michael. Let's get into Epstein again next week. Enjoy your
time in northern England. I know it well. It's God's
own country. And yeah, keep your ear to the ground
and come back and tell us what's going on. We'll
be back on YouTube next Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And I will see you from London on next week
and then and then we will be back together in
New York.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Good. I will look forward to seeing you, Michael Wolfe,
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sorts of benefits. What sort of benefits do people get, Michael.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Oh my god, unlimited benefits. You wouldn't believe the benefits.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
The benefits are amazing, extra content. But also it's true
we like what we like reading the comments.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
No, yeah, no, really, please leave us comments because they
they mean a lot, and frankly, they're always interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
They're always interesting, and many of you've suggested very good
guests for us to get. A lot of you have
suggested we get Mary Trump, which we are trying to
do actually, so Mary, if you're watching this, we would
love to talk to you, so thank you. Don't forget
as our first lady who came out of hiding this
week would have us be Beast, And thank you to

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our production team, Devin rogero Ana von Erson and our
editor Jesse Milwood,