Michael Wolff

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Mega position is release all the information about Jeffrey Epstein.
The Trump position is do not talk of Jeffrey Epstein,
see and put his fingers in his ears, cover his eyes.
No Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
So we are back.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
We're recording this on Thursday morning. Michael, have you recovered
from your two hundred feet projection of your face on
Windsor Castle?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You know, I think I'm going to live with it
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, So yesterday when we were talking, you said that
you thought Trump was winning the war with the media,
and I slightly pushed back, and I thought you were
being hyperbolic. Literally two hours later it was announced ABC
announced that Jimmy Kimmel's show. For those of you who
don't know Jimmy Kimmel, for those of you listening in

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the UK or in our Australia where we hear from
and also Canada where we hear from people all the time,
Jimmy Kimmel is a late.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Entire English speaking world is at our feet.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, okay, thank you, the entire English speaking world. I
don't know if they're at our feet, but they're definitely
sending us comments on YouTube. And please keep them coming
because they mean a lot. Jimmy Kimmel, a late night
comedian on ABC, his show was being suspended indefinitely, and literally,
within I would say, five minutes of that news going out,

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it felt as if a chill had rippled across the
entire of the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, So, and he was specifically what do we call
an indefinite He was specifically indefinitely suspended because of comments
he made about Charlie Kirk, right, and that has suddenly
Charlie kirk has suddenly become the third rail of American

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political discourse.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
This does seem like a moment of censorship, is it?
Or is it simply a trade deal?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Let's yeah, it is. But even before.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Absolutely censorship rank fear everybody running in the opposite direction
of controversy, running in the opposite direction of Donald Trump's
wrath and ire. But I just want to want to
tell a sentimental story about Jimmy Kimmel and Donald Trump,

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because that's where my Trump journey began. In the spring
of twenty and sixteen that I first interviewed Donald Trump
in his political life in in Jimmy Kimmel's green room.
Trump was out in La doing The Kimmel Show, and

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I was invited to watch him do The Kimmel Show
and then to talk to him in the in the
green room. And so an interesting point that is now,
you know, coming on ten years ago. At that point,
Kimmel and Trump were completely jocular with each other. I mean,
the whole mood was You're a star, I'm a star.

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We're both stars together, and we're both kind of enjoying
this odd moment of thinking that Donald Trump might be president,
although at the same time we understand that that is
still the most unlikely, the unlikeliest of outcomes. But very much,

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they very much got along. When I saw Trump afterward,
he was delighted with Kimmel, delighted with his performance, of
course on On Kimmel. And then actually we spoke long
into the night. We repaired his house in in in
Beverly Hills and and spent spent hours and hours each

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each eating a tub of Hogandau's ice cream.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
But okay, that's such a strange visual. And of course
there is a Zelig like story of you in Jimmy
Kimmel's green room with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Totally I mean, and then in that in the in
the house he has.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So he has this this this house in Beverly Hills,
smack in the middle of Beverly Hills, across the street
from the Beverly Hills Hotel, filled with kind of cast
off hotel furniture and a refrigerator. When you open the door,
it was just just pint of Hagganda's hogandaws after pint
of haganda.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Can I ask what flavor that was?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
That with vanilla vanilla although he has switched in the
over the course of of the past ten years. He
now likes strawberry vanilla.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
But we digress from major media censorship.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
At any rate.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I follow this because because the people around him are
always reporting on his on his ice cream, uh preferences.
But he said, you know, open the door, you know,
and said, you know, took out a point and he said,
asked me, do you want one?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I said no, but he threw one at me. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So there we were and then sitting on the couch
eating our our ice cream as we spoke long into
the night. And what I the point I want to
make other than this sentimental one of that's where my
journey began, is that there there is a difference that

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over the time. This this time, he has he has
gone from a figure kind of you know, I think,
I think in enjoying the whole idea of of his
notoriety of of his rise, unexpected rise in politics, not

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taking it that seriously and clearly over this time that
has that has fundamentally transitioned into incredible defensiveness and incredible anger,
an incredible sense of of of him against everybody else

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and in this case obviously him against his old compatriot
show business compatriot Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
And is he also against the people that work with him?
Does that animus extend to people like JD Vance and
Pete Hegsith?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Oh, well, it ultimately extends to everyone with without without question.
I mean, no one gets out of Donald Trump world alive.
I think that's a reasonable given. But I also think
this in terms of you know, where we are at
this moment. Charlie kirk Is is killed, and immediately thereafter

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this becomes the rationale, the stated rationale for the Trump
administration to crack down on the media and on free speech,
or as he says, leftist speech. This is not there's
there is nothing nothing, There is no pretense here. They

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have made this announcement. Jay d Vance is.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Out there out there shilling for this.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But Trump too has made it clear we are going
to go after the after the leftist media, leftist speech.
So and I don't you know, and they they the
way they went after Kimmel in.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
This in this instance is that the is.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
That the FCC chair started to make make started to
object to this, and that spread to affiliates. Affiliates are
the in the television stations that that carry the the
the Kimmel Show. One of the big affiliates is in

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the middle of a merger which they will need approval
from that's next stuff from the Trump administration. So therefore
they immediately came out and said, yes, we're not going
to carry the Kimmel Show. And then Disney, who owns ABC,
the network that Kimmel is on, then they immediately announced

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this indefinite suspension. And that would have come from the top,
from the CEO, Bob Iger, and.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, and it's I mean, I mean you have.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
To step back and say, here is Bob Eiger, the
billionaire CEO of the most powerful entertainment company in the world, immediately,
with hardly a second thought, cowering before the desires of
the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Or is this a CEO making a very practical decision
that his stock has underperformed the S and P he
can't afford to lose Next Star as an affiliate, or
indeed Sinclair which is another affiliate. Both Next Star and
Sinclair are conservatively led, and he's making a pragmatic business decision.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, I think it's the same thing six to one
half dozen of the other. I mean, he realizes that
the ire of Donald Trump will be bad for business,
and so therefore we submit to that.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I mean it used to be not that long ago
that media companies, because they are media companies, because they
have to maintain a no matter their shareholder's interests, there
is their audience interest. There are many other stakeholders in
a media company, and they have to maintain credibility. If

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you lose that, then you lose the store. Would have
been the old rationale on this. In this instance, now,
if you lose Donald Trump, you lose the store.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I would be fascinated to be a fly inside Bob
Iigers in books this morning. Also a man in his seventies,
also a man who gave up power and gave up
being CEO and then came back after a famous battle
with the guy he put in to replace him, Bob Chapek.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
One of the reasons he gave for cous not a
name that many people remember.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
At this very good well, but one of the reasons
and one of the rationale for Bob Byker coming back,
was that Disney was beginning to lose the creative community.
The creative community, for the most part, love Jimmy Kimmel.
Jimmy Kimmel is a rare late night television politician who
actually lives in la He makes pizza at home with
Bob Biker.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
They are personal friends.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Also, let me let me let me point out that
he's one of the few late night comedians who has
been able to maintain the comic edge about Donald Trump.
Other late night comedians have have veered off or into outrage,
and Kimmel has managed to maintain his focus on the absurdity.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, there's also John Stewart and John Oliver right that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Way, and I think they're and I think they're in
they're in outrage territory. Not not not that I would
necessarily fault them.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, that's where we're all going to end up.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
But the ability to maintain that focus on absurdity is
a comic touch, which I think Kimmel deserves an enormous
amount of credit for.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
What's also interesting is that Kimmel is very much thought of,
I think at Disney or ABC as a team player.
I mean, this is the guy that hosts the Oscars,
one nobody else will. I've been to the Upfront, the
big ad festival where the TV companies turn up and
sell their future shows, and he's been a host of
that and funny and taken, you know, poke to advertisers

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and made the whole thing a show in a way
that a lot of other networks can't do. So for
them to sacrifice a team player like this also seems significant.
But then Disney may go on to lose the creative
community over this. I mean, I understand that they don't
want to lose the TRUMP and they want FCC approval
for whatever M and A they may have in their future,

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but this does feel like a moment.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I do on a if we put our I mean
I began I've spent most of my career as writing
about about the media, and if I put that at
least prior to writing about Donald Trump, and if I
put that head on, I would say that this is
probably a deep, deeply an unforced error that will cause

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Bob Eiger likely let me go on a limb here,
cost him his job.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
So interesting because the person within Disney who is thought
likely to take over from him is Dana Walden, probably
the most powerful female executive in Hollywood, very much admired,
And of course the complexity here is that she is
well known to be Kamala Harris's best friend.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Grim.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's a that's a that's a grim corporate bit of politics.
But I think unless someone breaks from this, I think
they'll both go down this. This is a this isn't
you know. There's a lot of things in the reaction
to Trump, the reflexive reaction, the knee jerk reaction, that's

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just serious.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Unthought out, knuckleheaded stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I think that's a that's a reflection of of
how how afraid people are of of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, let's then.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Just examine the dinner last night, the famous white tied dinner,
which looked spectacular, I will say, watching it online and
on television, stunning flowers, everybody dressed to the Nines. One
was very cognizant of Prince Charles's lapel full of medals
and Donald Trump having no medals. I'm sure he's going

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to come back and say, I want a jacket like
that with some medals on it. But also round the
table were some of America's most senior executives. You had
Tim Cook from Apple, Sachi in Adela from Microsoft, Sam
Altman from open Ai.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
What are the you know, what are they thinking? What
are they thinking? I mean, you know, in my I
can only interpret this. I mean, at first thing, Tim
Cook shows up at all all of these these things,
the you know, again, the billionaire CEO of arguably the
most important company in the world.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
And also sitting next to Tiffany Trump. I was like,
what are they talking about?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Why is he doing this?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, it's I don't so I can only assume that
they that they get all to get together and say,
my god, this guy Trump is easy to play And
all it requires is is us to do some some
ritual bows and say some boloney and then we get

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what we want. And isn't it a great day for business?
That's the only thing that I can assume it is
cannot possibly be that they think Donald Trump is anything
other than a clown, a fool, a charlatan. I mean,
I know that's what they what they they think. That
is literally what everyone who comes in contact with Donald

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Trump thinks, even his supporters. So again, that's that's, that's it.
But and then the Brits on their part, you know,
who are desperate for a trade deal. So everybody got
together and decided, Okay, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna,

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we're gonna treat Donald Trump as the real king.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
One of the things that people always say about an
encroaching autocracy, and they always talk about Putin like this,
is that when Putin first took over, the thing that
got canceled first was a puppet show, a comedic puppet
show on Russian television. And you talked a couple of
weeks ago on the podcast about this being a frightening

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moment and this could actually be what autocracy looks like.
That it's not people with jack boots marching down the street.
It is Jimmy Kimmel being counseled, Jimmy Kimmel, of all people,
you know, in third place as a late night comedian
on ABC.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I mean, and it would be wrong to start there
to mark this at the beginning. It has begun long
before this, or or it began almost began before he
actually came into office for his second term, and that
was forcing ABC into a settlement that was fifteen million

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dollars that went into Trump's pocket. But was one of
those things that certainly had they gone to a trial,
ABC would have would have would have won. Actually they
would never even have gotten to a trial. But ABC, again,
ABC which is owned by Disney, So this is not
this is the Kimmel the Kimmel the Kimmel issue is

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not is not the first issue that ABC has folded on,
and they folded on on the Stephanopoulos issue.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And then CBS.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Which is was in the process of a merger with
with a David Ellison who was the NEPO baby son
of Larry Ellison, who vies with Elon Musk for the
title of riches Man in the World.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Right, the founder of the founder of Oracle and soon
to be owner of TikTok right.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
So they they did in order they CBS believed that
in order to facilitate that deal they had to do.
They had to they had to settle because Trump has
stooed sixty minutes because he didn't like the way he
thought that they had edited an interview with Kamala Harris

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in too favorable a way.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
The trailer was different to what they actually put out
in the interview.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Right, yes, again, you know, another's of absolutely frivolous lawsuit
that Trump would have lost. But because of this, because
CBS was highly aware of the pressure he could bring
that might block this merger, they settle. Now we should

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also add that the Ellison's father and son are now
trying also to buy to buy Warner Discovery, so which
would make them, you know, by far, the largest media company.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
In the world of the Having said that, I think
Disney may still be larger.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
But Larry Ellison also, let's remember it has been a
very key and ardent supporter of Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, I may well get the ownership of TikTok, right,
which we're expecting to hear Donald Trump is speaking to
Jijing paying tomorrow and in theory he's going to come
away with the solve for the TikTok issue. It's going
to have American ownership.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So yeah, so let's just just just imagine.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
First thing, we have we have a media business.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know, most of the major news that would include
most of the major news outlets in the in the
country already running scared of Donald Trump. I mean scared.
I mean they are bowing down. Trump brings pressure, they fold.
Now that's now we put that together with the fact

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that the that the Ellison family, passionate supporters of Donald Trump,
are about to.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Corner of the media market.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, and they're about to own CBS. Well, they do
own CBS News and if they buy Warner Brothers Discovery
they will have CNN. There you are go, so two
significant news channels.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, I mean this is a this is a put
up the red flag at this This is a this
is a moment which I think we will return to.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
So Governor Newsom, who is emerging as the loudest voice
on the Democratic side, is saying Donald Trump has got dementia, Grandpa,
ty your meds. His social media is cutting through to
some extent. There's jerry mandering going on in Texas in

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various other places. What is this sort of moment of
hope here for the Democrats?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, I believe me, Joanna, it's hard to find one.
Were we to dig deep, and and and hope that
there is hope. We would say that that Donald Trump's
numbers are soft, certainly falling. Arguably, the economy is heading

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into you know, certainly the skies are dark thing. There's
I think, I think across the board, you can argue
that the news for Donald Trump is not getting better,
and let's not we should not forget Jeffrey Epstein, whereas

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Trump says Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, So we could. I think
it is still a very good possible, even a likelihood
that the Democrats will take the House of Representatives back
during in the midterm election. And if that happens, it's

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a significantly different ball game.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
All right.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
We've got lots of questions and lots of comments from
people that have come in. One of the observations people
have is that JD. Vance and the crew around Donald
Trump seem almost giddy with power.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Certainly.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Jd Vance stood in for Charlie Kirk hosting his podcast
earlier this week, and he's been out there. I think
people want to know where is MAGA on the free
speech issue, because there's been a lot of pushback against Pambondi,
who came out against hate speech. The First Amendment is

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very much a core of MAGA, and there's been a
lot of pushback against Pambondi. So where is MAGA actually
on this issue?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I think probably MEGA is somewhat divided on this issue. Theoretically,
Charlie Kirk was a great free speech advocate. Now in
his name, the Trump administration is attacking free speech. So
I'd be curious to see where they come out on that.
But there are other also other issues that are kind

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of roiling MAGA at this at this this point. Obviously
Jeffrey Epstein and and and that's almost binary. The MEGA
position is release all the information about Jeffrey Epstein. The
Trump position is do not talk of Jeffrey Epstein, see
and put his his his fingers in his ears, cover

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his eyes.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
No Jeffrey Epstein. So that's a that's.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
A that's a that's going to be a difficult, difficult
issue to navigate going forward. It has been difficult, it
will get more and more difficult. And then but then
there's other The vax issue is also is also difficult
because because there are many Trump supporters but traditional Republicans

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that are going, hey, wait wait a minute, we we
want we want vaccinations are are are a seminal accomplishment
of of the modern world.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
What are you doing here? Can you really subscribe to? R?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
F K. Junior and a lot of a lot of
traditional Republicans But maga. But but Trump supporters also saying,
come on this, r F K Jr.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
This is a this is a this is.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Serious, seriously nutty stuff. To let this guy run.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
The the.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
UH, the the the health establishment in the United States
of America. So so this is the maga. The mega fissures,
I think are likely to get bigger and bigger.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Okay, so we have a question from someone whose name
rather splendidly is toblerone KSX. I actually happen to love toblerones.
They're a little bit like eating a Rubik's cube because
they've got that strange triangular shape. When you put them
in your mouth, you have to sort of maneuver your
tongue around it anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So especially if you have one of the giant ones.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh those giant ones are incredible. You have to eat
them in several bites. But even the normal size is
a sort of puzzle to eat it. Very Swiss, if
I may sex anyway, toblerone KSX is saying please address
the Epstein emails the Bloomberg uncovered thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know. I don't know where they are from. I
don't know how they got them. I would like to
know if anyone has ideas.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Please, yeah, please let us know.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And these are the Epstein emails with Epstein and Peter
mandleson his former best pal who lost his job last
week as the ambassador British Ambassador to the US over
his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, while his other former best pal is being wind
and dyed by the by King Charles.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Someone else asking Daphney ms Daphney Mason, Daphney Mason seven
four two three is asking why hasn't Stephen Miller been
replaced like so many others? And what is the significance
of Stephen Miller's wife? Is she still working for Elon
Musk or has she left Elon Musk?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think she's a podcaster now, isn't she?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
She has a podcast and she's been going through the
royal family as it were, of the Republican So she
did JD Vance, She's just done Pambondie. I'm sure she'll
do the President at some point.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
But Stephen Miller is is has been and remains and
continues to be send in in the White House. He
may be the most significant policy person in the White House,
which is which is curious because Trump has always regarded
him as peculiar. Yeah, you know, you know, openly referring

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to him as strange. Do you think he's strange? I
think he's a little strange. Do you think he's strange?
That that would be a verbatim Trump conversation. But he
has that, he has uh persevered. I mean, and I
think his charm, so to speak, is that he is

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he's you know, he's Channel's Maga.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
He's the he's a Maga guy.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
And and I think Trump understands that that is a
weakness of his that that Trump's own inclinations probably don't
align all that well with the Maga inclinations.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well, we know that he doesn't want to release the
Epstein files, and we know that he does want vaccinations.
We should come back and do a proper episode just
on Stephen Miller. He's such an interesting character.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Well, also, just let me add another another another the
immigration issues. He starts he you know, because because the
immigration issues are starting to show up in the economy,
and the bad numbers. He's reversing himself there, which is
another one of those maga litmus positions.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Third Rail, don't go there.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, we should come back and do a full episode
on Stephen Miller. And then final final question from Pheasant Films,
what happens when Trump defies the two court orders that
tariffs are illegal and that troops in the cities are illegal?

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Does it go up to the Supreme coll What can
you guys please pursue this?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well? I think it's a question what if he defies
the Supreme Court order? And you know the thing with
tariffs is that there are probably workarounds there. You know
that Congress will will authorize the tariffs. I think that
they can probably achieve that, and that's probably what they

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would do in terms of troops in the streets. Again,
the problem with these, with both of these these these
issues is that there are workarounds here and there are
within the law itself, there is this idea of of

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an emergency exception, which Trump has has audaciously notoriously taken
advantage of and then sort of declared himself the final
arbiter of what's an emergence? See? Now, what happens if
the Supreme Court says that's ridiculous, as they should say.

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But and I don't know, But I think the greater
fear is that they won't that the Supreme Court is
is there. They know what their job is, and their
job is to back the president.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Apparently, Michael, four people were arrested yesterday for the remarkable
projection of the Jeffrey Epstein film, which we've already mentioned.
You're in protection, nephew, But you and Prince Andrew and
Jeffrey Epstein and Donald.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Trump projection of me, are you linked forever?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Well, you happily not in the middle of that triumvirate,
but you very much on the outside trying to analyze
it for us. But the four people were arrested, charged
with something called malicious communications, which our news editor pointed
out sounded positively Orwellian.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Sounds well, it sounds British too. It does sound British.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I mean, I've always had had the Brits and free
speech has always seemed to me a kind of squeamish relationship.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
And if if.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
You've ever had a had been involved in a libel
reading in the UK, I've published many books in the UK,
and that means they always have to be separately vetted
by a UK lawyer.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's well, there's no first Amendment. First Amendment, you say.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You say, at least in the past you have said,
you said to I have certainly said to myself, thank
God for the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well, thank God for the First Amendment, which is rapidly
being nibbled at the edges.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yes, but but so anyway, I always think that there's
this weird, weird, weird kind of thing in the UK
that they don't really want there to be free speech.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
But if you're going to be arrested for anything, how
wonderful to be arrested for putting up that remarkable video
on the wall of Windsor Castle. Not something anybody anticipated,
and it's made an incredible impact. And as you say,
it's followed the President on his trip just as he
was hoping to escape the Epstein of it all.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Michael, Let's get together again next Tuesday, and I hope
you will be back in the US.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Back in the US, back in New York, back in
the inside Trump's Heads studio.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Excellent news, all right, Michael, go well, have fun in England.
I'm just wondering if there's anything I want you to
bring back for me, but I don't think there is.
You can get pretty much everything on Amazon now. Jeff
Bezos wasn't at the white tied dinner. I bet Lauren
Sanchez was sad about that, because she would have loved that,
and also she would have loved picking out an outfit
or having Dolta and Cabana sew her into an outfit.

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We've missed something there. I wonder if they were traveling.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
We missed discussing Mulania's royal wardrobe.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Also, we did off the shoulder, a yellow off the
shoulder number. I did think Princess Kate looked fantastic and
regal and modern all in one. And I'm very curious
what it must have been like for them hanging out
with Donald Trump and to be told by Donald Trump,
you're beautiful.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're so beautiful, she and she was.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Mulania was wearing a kind of pinkish large belt at
one point, causing my wife to to jump up and say,
my god, her midriff is bear.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I thought that too. I bet that belt and that
dress have both sold out. Though I actually always think
Malania looks elegant. She doesn't look like she wants to
be there, but she does look elegant. All right, Michael Wolf,
travel back safely. See you on Tuesday, see you soon. Well,

(35:17):
let's hope Michael gets back safely. Thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 3 (35:31):
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