Michael Wolff

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's a guy by the name of Sam Nunberg, and
Sam was Trump's really first political advisor. All Trump people
would say, well, if you need to understand anything about Trump,
you got to go to Sam. And I go to
Sam and I say, okay, I help me understand. And
Sam looks at me.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
There's a bit pause.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I can still feel this, and he said, he said,
you don't get it, do you?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
And I'm like, okay. He said He's.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
An idiot, And at that moment it all came clear
to me, because Trump is, in very classic terms, an idiot.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Michael Wolfe Joanna Coles was back in the house. I
feel like you go in the country, and in the
country I think I had.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
There was a moment as I passed through customs where
I got a second look.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh, well, they probably thought you were Fred Armitson and
did you. I feel like your appearance on the side
of Windsor Castle probably resulted in an honorary knighthood.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm I'm waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
There is so much has happened since you've been away.
I almost don't know where to start. Accept that. As
you're always saying Epstein well, and as Trump is always
saying Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
And he because you know, and they call me.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
People around Trump call me and says three times, did
it again? That's what he says, So it must dwell
in his in his head.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, and where are we going today.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yes, inside Trump's.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Head, Inside Trump's head. So we're not going to spend
any more time discussing Britain, except for the fact that
Prince Andrew's former wife, Fergie Sarah Ferguson, has now had
to resign from seven charities because she is another scalp

(02:00):
that has been collected by the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And another another person who was a genuine, long term,
real friend of Epstein's. I mean, I mean Epstein bailed
her out. I mean she was, she was, she owed
him and then actually that's a sort of an interesting
thing because you know, then when when the moman came,

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she threw him over and then disgracefully came crawling.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Back through the back door.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I didn't really mean it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, I never called you a pedophile. That seemed to
be the thing that her friendship, she was pleading to
come back because she knew he was an atm for her.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
And a friend. I mean that's you know.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, can you be a friend if someone lends
you money? Though? I wonder about that. Do you do
you lend friends money? Have you lent friends money?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I haven't, but I would if I could.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Okay, all right, well that's useful to know. Anyway, she's
had to resign from her seventh charity. She most of
them were involved in children, and of course she's had
to resign them. But she's got no one to go
to now as an eight am I guess maybe she? Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, yeah, then she sucked toes of.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, that was some time ago. But there was an
amazing anecdote that I read in Tom Sykes's column The
Royalist now on Substack and the Daily Beast, which is
that Prince Margaret in particular was furious with her and
she had sent some flowers to Princess Margaret, who was
the Queen's younger sister, and Princess Margaret sent her the

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flowers back with a note saying, how dare you send
me flowers? You have bought nothing but disgrace on this family.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
So many people in this family have brought nothing but disgrace, not.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Least Veggs husband, Prince Andrew Anyway, We've got Charlie Kirk
to talk about, We've got Jimmy Kimmel to talk about,
We've got Cash Patel to talk about. Have you got
your affirmation notes? Your self help notes with Instagram affirmation?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Be strong?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
This is where he sat at his great Yeah, be strong, right,
fight hard.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I mean this is just another aspect of another.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
One of these people in this administration who knows nothing about.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Nothing and shouldn't be in the job.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Obviously should not be in obviously should not be in
this job.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean, let's get this.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
The podcaster then is now running there.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Being unfair because he has got experience selling T shirts.
He was a T shirt talker.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, well, this is a fundamental.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Skill to be in the FBI. Yeah, you need to
understand a balance.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
But it's it's it's just you know again, you just
peel a little back and you just see that these
people are complete amateurs and they know it. I mean,
why else would you have little things said, be strong,
another clutch, go before Congress.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Be strong, you strong, and then attack right. The kavanaghization
of all these select committees is kind of crazy in
the way he was shouting at Adam Schiff poor Adam Schiff.
It was just and how stressful for Cash Pattel, Because
there's nothing more stressful than being in a job that
you shouldn't be in, especially when the eyes of the

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world are on.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
The thing that is more more stressful is being called
up in front of Congress.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
That is the ultimately.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Have you ever been called up in front of Congress?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I have not, you know, and it makes me feel
like I've lived a wasted life.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, well, I'm sure they will call you.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Actually I was. I was something I had said.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
He was confronted with this, and it was a very
relevant point because I had pointed out the pictures that
I had seen that Epstein showed of Donald Trump, and.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
And this is Donald Trump with topless girls sort of
leaning in on him.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, about a dozen pictures, all taken in the back
around the pool of Epstein's house in Palm Beach, the
scene of the crime. And no one has seen that
they were they were in. Epstein kept them in his safe,
and and I mean it's not unreasonable to assume that

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they were in the safe when the FBI came and
raided Epstein's house. I do not know that for certain,
but I do know Epstein kept the pictures in this
in his safe, so cash Pttel was confronted by by
I think Congressman Raskin, Jamie Raskin, Yes, who said, you

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know what about this?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
What do you know?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Do you know about what was in the safe? Were
these pictures in the safe? Michael Wolfe says, et cetera,
And he, you know, just basically didn't respond to stonewalled
on that.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, he probably doesn't know, right, because he doesn't seem
to know very much at all.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, I mean they may have disappeared at any point.
I mean, remember this happened. Epstein died in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But nevertheless, so his house was raided in twenty nineteen
before he was arrested or after he was arrested.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
But basically simultaneously. That was all happened on.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
That pictures on that Saturday.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
The pictures have gone somewhere.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
They have gone, assuming that they were there, And again,
I don't know for a fact that they were there.
I know only for a fact that they were there.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
And when we you shown them? What year roughly.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Probably, I mean he had been elected president, so seventeen
I was writing Fire and Fury, so twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Okay, so either the FBI has them or someone else
has them in the household, maybe who was working.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
For him, or cash Bottel has them in his.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Jacket pocket.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, just as well he didn't pull them out in
front of Congress instead of his affirmation notes. Right. Can
you imagine there's something very humanizing about seeing someone's affirmation
notes like that, But unfortunate that he put them in
front of the camera.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
A lesson we should all remember.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
A lesson we should all ret notes. No notes. I
have notes here, but only because there's so many subjects
I want to cover. Obviously, the memorial for Charlie Kirk,
huge stadium, incredibly impressive speech by Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow.
And I thought when I watched it, oh, I'm watching

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the future of the Republican Party, because you're.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, you know, I mean, I think, I think, I
mean what what I've I've spent some time thinking about this,
and and you know, I realized that Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Is not a political figure.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
He's just just that's that's just the pretense. I'm a
political figure. I'm a maga guy. I'm a I'm a.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right wing guy. He's not.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's a religious figure. I mean, that's what he's doing.
And you can see everything he does. This whole campus
tour is like like an old fashioned evangelical you know,
you know, preacher in the ten revival meeting.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
That's what he does.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
And there's there's a little pretense otherwise, by the way,
it's all about, you know, if you're not if you
don't believe in Jesus in the traditional place, for the
traditional role for women, the superiority of men, then you're
outside of the circle of salvation. And you know, I

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mean the interesting thing is that, I mean, the truth
is that religion in the United States is not very popular.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Right, I mean far few people are goingst church, They're
going far few people are going to temple to mask
any of it, right, and that accelerated during COVID totally.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So so what he's done is repackage this as politics.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Interesting, that is an interesting way of looking at.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
So, you know, and I think, I mean, I mean,
to me, this is this is a gift to democrats.
I mean, it can be a central issue because if
you confront people, if you offer people and.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Say and say do.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You think that there should be a separation of church
and state. People say yes because they do believe that.
And suddenly this is the exact opposite. This is trying
to merge the two in a very real theocratic way.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
So our Democrats going to be able to respond to it.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, democrats can't seem to respond to anything, which is
why we are in the mess we are in.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Right, And now Carmelo is out there with her new book,
throwing everybody onto the bus. Governor Shapiro was too ambitious,
started asking how many bedrooms were in the observatory where
he would live as vice president. Pete Butterjeedge got annoyed
that she said the country wasn't ready for a gay
vice president and a black female president, so he came

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out swinging against that and saying that's not true, it's
not And then of course the Jimmy Kimmel decision I
think came on the day of her launch. So she's
not had much luck.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
With the book alas.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I mean, I see no reason to spend much
time talking about Karmala.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
We can move swiftly on. I'm just raising it. I
raising it because you raise an interesting way.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Point register it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
But it's and I think one of the things that
was so appealing to many young people, especially young men,
about Charlie Kirk is the same thing that actually on
the flip side of the coin Scott Galloway is talking about,
which is a pattern for life, a place that you
know your place in the world, especially if you're a
young man, you're the head of the family, you should

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have children. He produces that. You know, he has a
beautiful wife, they have angelic looking children. But it's all
through the lens of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it is a religious depiction of the world.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
It is an evangelical argument and not a political argument.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
It is all about.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Faith and.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Belief and higher authorities and.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
The evangelical let me not say Christian because it actually
doesn't involve the Roman Catholics. It's strictly an evangelical view
of the world.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, and there was something extraordinary about Erica Kirk saying
that young man, I forgive him, especially at a moment
of extraordinary political tension. You weren't here, actually, I mean
you missed two very interesting weeks in terms of just
the feel of the country. And she took some of
the steam out of all the air out of what

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felt like a very overinflated balloon that might pop with
a huge bang. And I thought it was very smart
of her to do that. And then you have Donald
Trump speaking at the same event, you know, saying I
can't forgive my I hate my opponent, and he suddenly
felt out of keeping with the people in that room

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and I or people in the stadium, I should say.
And I suddenly thought, oh, she's thirty six, she was
older than Charlie. She could run as J D Vance's
vice president. She could absolutely do it. She's a very
compelling figure. And to be able to address a huge
stadium like that eleven days after your husband has been killed,

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I thought that was I thought, we're I thought we're oh,
we're witnessing the changing of the guard. And Trump seems
out of He just seems out of touch with the
people in the room. And when she said the thing
about the forgiveness, the crowd got up. They.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean, it's another interesting aspect of this that that
Trump's Trump becomes the agent, the key agent of this,
of this religious revivalism, because obviously Trump believes in nothing.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, it was and say, the least religious person and
also just the fact he got up there and said
he hated his opponent. It just felt it was the
wrong moment to say that, even for Trump, who's good
at reading the room.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know, I never discount Trump's Trump's instincts here.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So maybe he was off but.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, or maybe he was seeing something that he felt.
It felt to me like he was trying to pull
the room back to him. And he was funny, you know,
he was funny when he was saying it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Was yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, I yeah,
I hear what I mean, she her her forgiveness aspect
of this, but that's always coupled with something else in
evangelical terms, damnation, and certainly JD.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Van's delivered this.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know, it's it's I mean, I mean talking about
you know, I mean that that very clear kind of
hell brimstone kind of kind of thing. You're going to hell,
that's that means. And let's let's let's make no mistake.

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Who is going to hell half of the country.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
We're not going to inside. We're going in Trump's which
is his own special kind of hell. All right, Moving
swiftly on to our friend Tyler on the press conference,
where Donald Trump gave his his medical theories.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I mean I was, I was like and and I
I flashed back to there was There was a moment
in when I was writing Fire and Fury. There's a
guy by the name of Sam Nunberg, and Sam was
Trump's really first political advisor, came on and had worked

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for Roger Stone, then came on in twenty fifteen. They
ultimately had a fight Trump and Sam. None more they had,
of course, but throughout those first political years and into
the White House, all Trump people would say, well, if
you need to understand anything about Trump, you got to
go to Sam. Sam is the Trump whisperer. He really

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knows what's inside Trump's head. And at one point, so
I'm writing Fire and Fury and trying to figure this out,
and I go into that book having no preconceptions. I
actually thought, well, Trump might be an interesting president. He
could he he has as much chance of doing the

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unexpected in a good way as in a bad way.
But I'm trying to figure this out. And I go
to Sam and I say, okay, I will help me understand.
Let me and I'm sketching this out, and then Sam
looks at me. There's a bit pause, and I can
still feel this, and he says, he says, you don't
get it, do you?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And I'm like okay, and he said he's an idiot.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
And at that moment it all came clear to me
because Trump is, in a in very classic terms, an idiot.
He knows nothing about anything. He listens to no one.
He's just off half cock this way and that way.
And that was a perfect, a perfect moment of this. Yesterday,

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during this this Trump on autism, and there was this
this kind of thing, well, you know, everybody has a
theory and this is from science. This is ridiculous. And
then then there's there's then there's always this thing. He
is always an expert. And because he has this thing

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against other people who are experts and actual experts, he.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Then has to one up them.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
An he won up them with a level of a
level of certainty and a level of.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Extremism. Right.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean when he was saying yesterday, don't don't give
your babies, these fraggile little babies, don't give them the
months and the mmr monps measles rubella, And he couldn't
remember the third one either, So it was like mum's
measles whatever. I mean, they're little things. They're giving them
the size of horse horse horse injections, and you're like,
what are you talking about? What are you talking about?

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And the thing that upset me actually was seeing well
r FK Junior, let's come back to, but seeing doctor
Oz standing behind him, Doctor Oz, who I ran into
from time to time at Hearst magazines, highly regarded as
a surgeon. I remember someone saying, if you ever need
a heart operation, doctor Oz is your guy, who's head

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of cardiac surgery at Columbia. And then the idea that
he's standing nodding behind Donald Trump, who is saying that
Taylanol causes autism.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I mean, I am not going to begin to
try to explain why why Trump has has been able
to surround himself with so many people of reasonable credentials
who just fold.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Why is the autism thing so personal for Trump?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, I think you have to frame it in two ways. First,
it is a very potent political issue. It is a
foundational MAGA position. Why I'm not I'm not certain.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think it has.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
To do with with with with with doubts about about
about I mean broad doubts about the healthcare in the US,
and this extraordinary propaganda moment.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
In which which comes about. I don't know why it
comes about.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I mean it's completely counterintuitive. I mean vaccines, and I'm
old enough to come from a time when when vaccines
were in their infancy.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Uh, and when people got polio.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And people when people got I mean I was the
first generation not to get polio. And I remember the vaccines.
I remember the great I mean it was it was
a great moment of science and health and and suddenly
freedom from this this uh, this thing. I mean, we

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couldn't go into we couldn't go swimming when when I
was a kid because they were afraid that's how you
got polio.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
There.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, my boss that the editor of the Guardian had
polio and he had one side that just didn't work
very well, and he'd spent years, I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
All so so that then became you know, Mump's Rebella,
all all of these these things.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I mean, this is one of.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
The great leaps in in in in human progress. So
for this to be for people to have turned on this,
it's really it's really a difficult on any logical basis
to understand. But having said that, for whatever reason, it

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is a it is a powerful piece of the Maga identity,
which you know r F K. Junior has zeroed in on.
And and that's an interesting thing because because because r
F K Junr, which who gets to this really separate.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
From the Maga thing. He just he joins.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
That that that later. But r F K Junr is
crazy person. You cannot spend two minutes with the guy
and not think, oh my god, we are in a
different reality.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
But there's also the oddity here and the irony here
that Donald Trump possibly the one the one remarkable thing
about Donald Trump won his first presidency was Operation warp Speed.
That he told the medical companies, get on with it,
create a vaccine, and the American vaccine was the envy
of the world.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well, and let's remember it's yeah, I mean, he exists
in the moment. What is the expedient thing to do
at that moment with COVID everywhere, with the whole world
shutting down? He responded, did he did the politically expedient
and smart thing.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Now he's doing the other thing.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Just the fact that it is the opposite of what
he has done before. Well, that doesn't bother Donald Trump's head.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Is there any other reason why it's personal for him?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
You know, there has always been this discussion of his son, Baron,
And this was a discussion come from many sides, but
including from the White.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
House, from the white hat, the Donald Trump White.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
House, Yes, from people around around him, because nobody knows,
you know.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
I mean, that's the other thing about the Trump family.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Nobody is really understands what that dynamic is about. I
think that they now seem to have father and son
seem to have a reasonable relationship. And Baron has just
moved down from NYU in the city to the NYU
campus in.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Washington.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
And there was a moment during during during.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
The trial Trump's criminal trial, and he Trump had asked
to be allowed to go to Baron's.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Graduation from high school, right, and they didn't they say no.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
And they said they said they said no at first,
but then and then Baron had said to to Trump, well,
I won't go to graduation. I will come and sit
next to you for the trial that day.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
And then they then the judge in New.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
York said okay, yes you can go. And then and
then Trump said to his lawyer Todd Blanche, can we
get him to reverse his reversal, because he thought it
would be a great idea if Baron in fact came and.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Sat beside him.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
So I think whatever the tensions were between father and son,
they seem.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Well, they seem to have patched it up. And certainly
Milania and I've got the bit here because I wondered
if we were going to talk about this, I wanted
to prepare myself, she said. She talks about the cruelty
of people saying that he might be autistic on social media.
In particular, she calls out Rosio o'donald, and she says,

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I was appalled by such cruelty. It was clear to
me she was not interested i Rosie in raising awareness
about autism. I felt she was attacking my son because
she didn't like my husband. It all began when Donald
extended a helping hand to Miss Usa, offering her the
support she desperately needed to overcome her addiction. I'm not
quite sure what the addiction is about, but she addressed

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it in her book, which is an interesting book because
she doesn't acknowledge anybody in it. I was looking for acknowledgments,
and I was looking for thanks and that are none.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's because it's Ai written.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Is it written by Ai?

Speaker 5 (26:45):
It's it's literally I've never seen I've never seen a
book with no acknowledgments and no thanks even to the
publisher or the editor.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's bizarre. There's photo credits, but there's literally no thanks
in it. Anyway, if you want to read Millania's side
of how Baron suffered from accusations that he was autistic,
it's all in this book, Milania, be best, It's in
the chapter be Best. All right, Michael, there's a new
character on the horizon I want us to talk about too,

(27:19):
and that's Lindsay Halligan. Who is there? I want to
get this right. The US Attorney for Maryland.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, she's not a new character for me. Uh huh,
we go way back.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Do tell? But can I just observe she has hair
like Millenia's and hope.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Oh of course, and so I will get to that.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh okay, So, but just to clarify, so she's been
put into this job. The former US Attorney Siebert. Mister
Siebert was removed from this job because he was not
moving fast enough to prosecute James Comi, the former head
of the FBI and the long term Trump antagonists and

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Letitia James, the attorney general in New York who prosecuted Trump.
So these are both very there's not even any pretense
it's going after he has Trump is using the Justice
Department to pursue his personal enemies, and he's removed the

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person in that job who was who was responsible for
this because the person said, oh, you know, they didn't
really do it. You know, there's not really a case here.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
So this was and this was part of his It
was unclear he posted it on truth Social, but it
appeared to be a personal memo to Pam Bondi because
it started Pam and then it went into a history
of his of all the times, right, so he.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Was saying, yes, he was saying, you got to do
this because these people are did bad things to me,
so we have to do bad things.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
And then he took it down from truth Social. So
there is because it was sent on late in the
hours of Saturday night slash Sunday morning, it was thought
that perhaps he'd sent her a member, but by accident
posted it on truesation.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
So anyway, so that they've put in and again this
is a temporary appointment because because because in fact, the Senate,
which and US attorneys need Senate confirmation, tends to reject.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
These these these people who Trump puts in.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Because they're not not just not just unqualified, but preposterously unqualified.
So Lindsey Halligan, who who started she started acting, you know,
with Alina Habber, the who became the the assist, the

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the the U S attorney in New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
And then who.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Who the courts have essentially thrown out of that job, and.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Who was his personal lawyer during the stormy during the
Egene Carroll case.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yes, and and Lindsay Halligan was one of those lawyers
who followed him too, although Lindsay Halligan was even less
qualified than Alena Habber, completely unqualified herself. And in Lindsay Halligan,
she didn't do anything. Matter of fact, everybody would say, oh, yeah,

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she's just she's just part of the entourage.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Was this when he said I may not have the
best lawyers, but I have the yes.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And so yes, and that that was what So Lindsay
Halligan and Alina Habba then then became his you know,
I may not have the best lawyers, and then he
would show them on the phone but I have the hottest.
And then there was one point when he took them,
took them both to a.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I think a UFC.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Fight Dana White type event.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yes, and then he made them he made them critique
the very as bodies of the men who were who
were who were fighting.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
To Elina Harber, who he hired from Badminster where she
used to lie around the pool in a bikini.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yes, and what she told me, if anyone says that
I am there, I am going to sue them.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
But she went on to point.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Out, as it happens, I did lie around the pool
in a bikini, but that has nothing to do with
why I became the presson. But anyway, Lindsey Halligan, for
her to show up, tell me, I mean she was
even she's she's even far outside of the lowest rungs

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of the of the of the of the Trump entourage
with the least amount of experience or appropriateness.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
In a job.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
So for her now to surface in this very key
position means a few things.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It means that no one else would do this job right.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
And she's got no prosecutorial experience.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Right, none, none whatsoever. And it means that Trump doesn't
he doesn't really care about anyone's aptitude or fitness or
capabilities in this job. It doesn't make any difference to him.

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He's calling the shots. He's going to tell her what
to do, and all he does is need a body,
and always preferably a good looking.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Body with great hair. Great hair. She has great hair. Well, Michael,
I sort of, I'm not sure I can take anymore.
Let's come back on Thursday and discuss more. I mean,
we've it's going to take us some time to wrap
out out of Trump's head.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Will I come back? I think I've commit So.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
We're going to grapple ourselves out. Grapple wrapple. Who knows,
I'm not good on climbing terms. Apart from what was
the outfit, I said we needed a kagoole.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, I don't know you had us in the minds.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Of I went back to my yorches roots. Yeah, I
went back to my yorchesid routes, Sperlunking I think was
the word. We've been spelunking inside Trump's head. Anyway, we
need to come back, and I want to talk to
you about the government shutdown. When we come back.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Great, I'll see you on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
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was happily spotted at the un this week, she's sort
of out of hiding. Is it because Baron's back in town,
back in DC, because she's definitely been around more.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, she's always in New York and you know events
in New York. She doesn't have to travel.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Oh okay, so that's why she was there. Okay, in Washington.
She's not in Washington. She was in New York anyway.
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