Michael Wolff

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That weird sense of going out in the street and
everything is good. You can get your cappuccino and you
can get your this, and everything seems in the moment normal.
At the same time you realize everything is changing. Every
assumption about how this country functions is under attack. The

(00:20):
idea of the government that you know that you have
grown up on. I am Republicans or Democrats, it doesn't matter,
all of us have grown.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Up on is being dismantled.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
That is it.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
And unless there's somebody who can express that, you know, we're.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Just cooked down.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm Joanna Coles and I'm Michael Wolfe. And where are
we going?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Deep deep deep inside Trump's.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hay, are you over your jet lag?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, I'm at an age where I don't have
to go anywhere and I still have jet lag.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay. I thought you were going to say you're of
an age where you've traveled so much your jet lagless.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, quite the opposite.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, So you're always suffering from jet lag, even the
jetney into New York City.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
What can I say?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, what you can say is what the hell is
going on in America? And are we going to have
an operational government next? Week as we.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, let's let's I mean, I mean, I think in
this set of Trump chapters, they're all very short chapters
because there are.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
So many of them.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
The one that we're now looking at is a government shutdown.
And we have looked at this before. As a matter
of fact, I've been through in the Trump years now
quite a number of threats of government shutdowns which tend
not to happen, and.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I always feel like it's at they hold it over
each other and then somehow miraculously at the last minute
they managed to agree on the budget.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
The last time this happened, which was I believe in March,
the Democrats, principally Chuck Schumer punted, and that was incredibly
controversial because basically, basically a good portion of the Democratic
Party was saying saying, look what's happening here, Look at this,

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this is what we're funding. We are funding the dismantling
of the government of democracy. And and then Chuck Schumer said, well,
it will be worse if we if we if we
don't fund it, And it was also understand of course,
but it.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Was also only two months into the Trump regime, right,
so you could argue that from the Democrats point of view,
it was too early to start resisting.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Well, I don't, I don't know. I mean I think
I think then it was I think then there was.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
A very clear rationale everybody saw was what was happening?
You know, this wasn't even two months in, even a
week in. It was clear that something was going wrong
here in a profound way.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
But anyway, they punted on that.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now there is next week, five days from now, there
is another opportunity. Now, I think we have to say
what is that opportunity, because because the Democrats actually feel
that it not only may not be an opportunity, that
it is a trap.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And there are two.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
They feel it's a trap to gay for the government shutdown.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
There was a government shutdown which was somewhat more limited
in twenty eighteen going into twenty nineteen, and I think
it ran for almost almost a month, and that wasn't
good for Trump. That actually just added to that, to

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the whole sense of chaos in the first administration.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Will he have learned from that? I vaguely remember that,
I mean, in the chaos of it all. And then
the COVID It's almost as if COVID drew a line
across history, and it's so hard to remember what happened
before that. Do you think he's learned from us?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, that they will be blamed. And I mean there
are sort of two notable examples of what happens what
can happen in a government shutdown. So there's a government shutdown?
When when when Newt Gingrich ran the ran Congress and

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for the Republicans, Yes, and Clinton was you know, he
engineered a government shutdown which was blamed on the Republicans,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Completely backfired totally.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean, you know, it's it ruined his reputation news
and and it was a huge plus.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
For the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So everybody is looking at this and saying, you know,
this could this could backfire. The other notable event in
the in a government shut down was Monica Lewinsky. You
will recall that the government was shut down, and then
let's go over what happens when the government gets shut down.
It means that everybody gets what they call furload. Government

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workers far and wide furloughed.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
So that means they stay at home, they don't come
in the government has.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
They're not allowed yes, and they're not allowed to come in.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
They don't get paid.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
And they don't get paid. Yes, I mean it's kind
of you know, it can be devastating. I mean, these
are people who need paychecks and have families. Not to
mention the services that they provide, I mean, the most
basic government services will not.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Be available veterans, hospitals. What what about air traffic control?
Does that come under it?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I mean, I mean there there are certain things, and
there will be certain exceptions too for critical, critical functions.
I mean they go out of their way trying not
to put people in literal danger. But nevertheless, it is
a it is the government is not funded. There is
no money. So the Monica Lewinsky issue is that during

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during the government shutdown, she was had achieved great access
in the White House because she was an intern and
she had to do what she was doing what senior
aids would otherwise have to do, and which gave her
access to direct access to the president.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And the rest is history.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
The rest is history, or that Monica has remade herself
as a rather good executive producer. She was very good
on Impeachment I thought, which was the Ryan Murphy Show
about what happened to her, and more recently I interviewed
her recently actually for the Daily Beast podcast because she
was doing the story of Amanda Knox, The Twisted Tale

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of Amanda Knox, The Twisted Tail. Anyway, let's just get
back to because we.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know but so anyway, so this comes up five days
from now. The Democrats. It is within the Democrats. The
Democrats have the leverage here. They can decide whether the
government will be funded or not funded.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Now, let's.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Let's spell out part of the background here that the
Democrats don't have much leverage in most instances.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Now, so this is this is there there, They're in
the spotlight.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
This is an opportunity or it's a danger. And that's
what they're trying to figure out right now.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Who will eventually make the decision as to whether or
not the Democrats in good conscience can agree to fund
this government and keep it open.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Really kind of a singular person.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Chuck Schumer, so the minority leader of the Senate, and
he made the decision in March, and that cost him.
I think it cost him. He took a meaningful hit
on that. Democrats think that he caved, and because of

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that and other things, he is facing some amount of
opposition in New York. Chuck Schumer has been a Senator
for life, so I'm not sure if opposition actually is meaningful,
but it might be. And I mean many, many things

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are going on in New York and including a mayor's
race that no one, no one expected, So I think
he's scared and that will influence what he does now.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
And from from my point of view.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's a It's a perfect opportunity for the Democrats to
to put a stake in the ground, to create an
event that people can rally about. For finally, the Democrats
to say no to Donald Trump. And and let's let's
understand where we are at this this point. I don't

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think that there can be much I don't think that
there can be there can be much doubt. I'm trying
to be careful on how I say this because I
think that it is so critical. This is we have

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moved into an area of politics.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
That we have never been in before.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And if in March we might have said, well, who
knows where this is going to go? Seems bad? It
is bad now almost on every level. I mean, from
Kimmel last week to Charlie Kirk and then Trump announcing
that he is going to use this to go after

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anybody who says things that he doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean, there is the.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Pretense. Every day the pretense is discarded.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Really, using the DOJ to go after it.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Becomes clearer and clearer and clearer.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
What is happening? What he is willing to do? And
he's willing basically to do anything. Why is he to
do anything? Because no one stops him? There is literally
nobody knows how to stop him. Nobody knows how to
play Trump's game. Nobody and everybody is frightened.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
What will he do?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean, we saw the Kimmel thing.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So so let's unpat the Kimmel as a sort of
Did ABC make the right decision by deciding to reinstate
Jimmy Kimmel on Tuesday Night?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Well, I'm sure. I mean, reinstatement is better than better
than not. But from the from the Disney ABC point
of point of view.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's a colossal mess.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Go on.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I mean, it's a it's a it's a calamity. They
they they folded, and Trump threatened, you know, the FCC
commits threatened, and they immediately folded.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Immediately. I mean they just ran for the hills.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
No it was incredible. There was a studio audience in
the theater waiting for the show to begin when they
suddenly were told, no, you have to go home. It's
being suspended indefinitely.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
So now there, now they've they've.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
They've capitulated on that we're wrong or whatever rationale they
come up for with putting Kimmel back on the air.
But but I mean, clearly, clearly, it's a cockup. It's
a corporate cockup of immense proportions. I think I think
Bob Iger, the CEO chairman of Disney, will lose his job.

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I think the the head of ABC, Dana Waldron, will
lose her job. I think we're we're The ripple effect
of this is going to be huge, and and it's
relevant for where we are now because one of the
questions that keeps coming up.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Is what do you do about this about Trump?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Right? Where is where is where.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Is the opposition?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And and we we certainly haven't seen it. Now we've
suddenly the Kimmel thing. You know, it's essentially united the
entire entertainment community, and and Disney and ABC had no alternative.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Well, it's even brought in unexpected voices from the right
like Ted Cruz who said, this is a rod for
our own backs. Democrats will be able to use this
against us if we pursue this exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So now, I mean you have to go back and say,
how what what I mean? This was a real what
were they thinking?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Moment?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And I can't I can't imagine except that they were thinking,
we don't know what to do about Donald Trump. Everybody
and everybody. Let's you know, we've seen the technology people
in the White House. We've seen every other media company
that has faced faced Trump capitulate. And you know, I

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think I think Bob Iger said what can we do well?

Speaker 4 (14:15):
And he underestimated the blowback, right. He underestimated people canceling
their Hulu and Disney Plus subscriptions. He underestimated how popular
Jimmy Kimmel is, not even necessarily with an audience on
ABC at this point because legacy media, broadcasting media is dying.
But Jimmy Kimmel lives in LA. He hangs out with LA.

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A list is four hundred celebrities find a petition in
favor of him.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Let's look at it another way. I think what may be.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Underestimated here is the desire for there to be pushback
against Donald Trump. And I don't think that that just
exists in the entertainment community. I think that this exists
across the country and no one has figured out how to.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Express this, or harness this, or.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Or organize it, which brings us back, I think to
the shutdown. So that the shutdown, and this is a
it's a complicated thing because the Democrats have to have
a clear rationale for the shutdown, because you're essentially saying
to the American people, we're going to cause you grief,

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So there has to be a rationale for that. But
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
This is.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
This is this is backbone which the American people who
are opposed to Donald Trump, and that's at least half
of the country, maybe a little more, have not seen.
So it's a kind of thing and I think it's
a moment which in which people can say, Okay, yes, this.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Isn't We're not all just victims of this, We're.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Not all just just bystanders to whatever this thing is.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
There is a mechanism here first to put.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Something here, but then you have to make that happen.
And the problem is, you know, the message now is
about you know, it's about healthcare. You know that we're
not gonna We're not going to fund the government unless
unless the Trump administration agrees to reinstate the following issues,

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which seems to me, I mean, I mean sure, but
it also seems to me bureaucratic. And it doesn't it's
not the it's not the rallying message. And another problem
there is that this is sort of Chuck Schumer is
at the middle of this, and he's not a rallying guy.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Well, I was just going to ask you, is this
Chuck Schumer's moment? Is he the man for the task?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I'd say probably not.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I mean, this is never what he's this, This isn't
what he's ever done.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
He's a backroom guy, right, trying to.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
He's a legislator.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I mean he's I think I think he's he's fairly
good at his his his job.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
He's a bureaucrat.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I mean, that's that's part of the crisis for the
Democrats is that they have nobody, nobody who can step forward,
nobody who can who can be a symbol of resistance,
Nobody who is credible in that role, nobody who enjoys
that role.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Right, because we've got governors who've made who've made noise
on social media. You've got JB. Pritz Gre in Chicago
who's been trying to, you know, front up to Trump
and say we don't want your people here. You've got
Governor Newsome, You've got Wesmore, You've got people who've protested
him sending troops in. But this is different because it's Congress.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, and we're just we're just starting to see those
democrats in state houses step forward, and we don't really
know if any of them has the has the moxie
yet or anyone who can who can, who can articulate
this in such a way that people say, yes.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, close down the government, shut the VA hospital.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
But in terms of in terms of in terms of Congress, nobody,
I mean, it's I mean, these are democrats who have
been in positions of power, many of them for a
very long time. They actually come out of come out
of a time, or at least the expectations of time
around the corner when they're in charge, and and.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's what they do.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
And that the idea that now is a different time
and demands different, different.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Different temperament is is.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You know, I think still has not kind of gotten
through here, I mean, I mean we need a change
of a complete a cast member.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Change well, and a change of approach.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, and but we need is not only
a change of approach, but we need a change of
I mean people who can do this, people who are
up for this.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I mean Chuck.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Schumer, is it seems you know find fine? Yeah, I mean,
he's been in this job a long time. I'm sure
he does it. He does it, does it relatively well.
But but in terms of someone who who is effectively
being asked to take an existential position if you know,

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we are gonna die if somebody doesn't figure this out.
I mean, and I think this is still this moment
in which in which all of these people who have
been in power and around power for a long time
have not quite come to terms with the fact that
this is the life they know is in the process

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of ending, and if there is not a fight.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Now, it will end. It will end very soon. It
is ending well.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Hakeem Jeffries, minority head of Congress House of Representatives, and
Chuck Shumo, as you say, minority leader of the Senate,
have both asked for a meeting with Trump. On Tuesday,
we heard that he'd said no to that.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And also they do that's, by the way, just the
bulls should they right, But they're just setting setting up,
getting the scene for it, setting up the rationale here,
which is fine, but they always do this and then
they capitually.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Well, and he's a man who likes a fight. They
don't want the conflict. He wants the conflict. Well, let's
just game this out in terms of there is a
government shut down, it's led by the Democrats. How does
Trump win thiss?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know, this is this is one in the in
the message.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
In other words, the Democrats have to be clear enough
and concise enough and smart enough to deliver a message
that this is worth it.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And how do they do that because in the in
the election, we saw that the idea that democracy is
in peril didn't play with people. They weren't concerned about that.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, the election was an eon ago.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, so you think people enough people now are like,
this isn't good. Certainly Donald Trump is not doing well
in the polls.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, no, this is this isn't I mean, I I
think that what what what has to happen, most of
all is that the Democrats have to show a level
of a level of commitment, a level of crisis. They
have to recognize what's going They have to express what's
going on, and they have to recognize what's going on.
I mean, if this is if there, if if there

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is not a way found to oppose Donald Trump, the
entire the entire thing is over.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
So what I mean we saw.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean this is a critical, critical, critical moment. I mean,
and you know it's it's that weird sense of going
out in the street and everything is good and you
can get a coup, you can get your cappuccino, and
you can get your this, and everything seems seems in
the moment normal. At the same time you realize everything

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is changing. Every assumption about how this country functions is.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Under attack.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
So what's the learning from the U turn at ABC,
from BUBBYGA pulling Jimmy Kimmel off the air suspended indefinitely
to them reinstating him on Tuesday?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
What is the law?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Well, I mean, I think and would hope that the learning,
the learning is that there is that people are angry
and they're not going to take it anymore.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
And what's going on in here? What is going on
in Trump's head as he's thinking about this. Does he
want to force does he want to force the shutdown?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah? No, And that's that's the thing, And that's what
the Democrats are are are worried about.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
You know, I mean, he's ready to go to battle.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I mean, he's you know, I mean, that's why he's
so good at this.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
There they cower, he charges.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
They cower, he charges. Do you think that's a deterrent
to Trump? Or do you think he's got He's got
so much momentum for his changes now he's just railroading
through everybody.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I think.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I think he's going to railroad ahead. I mean I
think that the Democrats will. I think there's a very
good chance they'll capitulate.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, we'll see. We'll be back on the day of
the potential shutdown. What better time we'll be spending the
weekend observing. And also there was I think that Democrats
are probably all at this point. Read Ezraclin's piece in
The New York Times or listen to his podcast which
came out two weeks ago discussing this very thing, and
I heard it echoed in my circle of Democratic friends.

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Well have you read ezraply talking about you need to
take this seriously, the threat of a shutdown, you need
to think about how you could use it for Democrats,
Can you actually in all good conscience fund this government
given what they're doing?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
And there was someone else's alas I don't remember who,
that argued just recently yesterday or the day before, that
this should not be about the things that they have
now itemized healthcare, etc. That this should specifically be about
Tariff's I mean, I mean to me, that's the same

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the same issue Tariff's healthcare.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
It avoids, it avoids.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Having to come to terms in which the Democrats always
do with with a real expression of what's going on here.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, but you've seen them motivated by and you've seen
regular people motivated by what happened to Jimmy Kimmel. Even
people who don't find Jimmy Kimmel very funny knew that
this was a moment, that it's the first Amendment for
a reason. Well, and no one was.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Again that exactly. So, I think the idea, the idea
that you have to run from these broader issues that
the our the world as we know it is breaking,
and unless someone steps forward and starts to starts to

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start to do things throw bodies into this into the
you know, before the the on the on rush of machines.
We are going to be in trouble here. This is
there is not going to be any going back.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Well.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I think one of the reasons that people were
fed up with the Democrats was cancel culture right, the
fact that you couldn't People felt that they couldn't say
what they wanted to say, that common sense speech was
no longer allowed. The Democrats have become too woke. And
now you have the opposite of that, Trump saying he's
coming after people. Jd. Vance saying, if you say something

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disrespectful about Charlie Kirk, we are coming after you. And
guess what you should call someone's boss. If you see
someone else doing if you have a friend saying this,
call their boss.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But it's not just that, No, it's not just that.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
It is It is the literal dismantling of institutions, the
literal dismantling of any of the procedures that would have
that would have stymied this. The idea of checks and
balance is the idea of the government that you know
that you have grown up on. I am Republicans or Democrats.

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It doesn't matter all of us have grown.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Up on is being dismantled.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
That is it.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
And unless there's somebody who can express that, you know,
we're just cooked. And you know, and I have gone
into this always as a as a basic optimist. You know,
Donald Trump is Donald Trump, but he's not going to
last forever. And you know, somehow you just have to

(27:37):
hold your breath. Well, I am, I don't think that
that's true anymore. Donald Trump turns out and I am
no one is more surprised than I am to be
incredibly effective.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Well, a couple of podcasts ago, you talks about what
it was like being in his whole house after you'd
run into him in Jimmy Kimmel's green room. You'd gone
back to Donald Trump's house in Beverly Hills, opposite the
Beverly Hills Hotel. He'd thrown open his enormous refrigerator door
to display his many, many pots of ice cream, and

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the two of you had rolled.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
After a row of Hargan dans Vania.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
And it's so strange to me that his ice cream
fridge basically, and you'd sat there on the sofa with
your long spoons and you were thinking, this is just hilarious.
It's going to make a great piece. And here we
are ten years later as he dismantles everything we've taken
to represent America.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
So in so, really, what the Democrats and everyone else
has to begin to think.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
About is how do you oppose this?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I mean, how do you say?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
What do you do?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I mean, I mean, I think you shut down the
government obviously, because that's that's that's the work that you've
been there. Anything, anything that you can do that can
command attention, just play a Trump's way and and give
you an opportunity to platform a message, take it, use it,

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you know.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Beyond that, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I mean, I mean it's something that we should be
we should discuss here, because everyone should be discussing it,
discussing it. I don't know what what is? What is required?
A ten million person march on Washington?

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Possibly, Chuck Schumer, if you're watching, you need to give
Michael Wolf a call. He's got many ideas for you. Well,
we'll be back on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Maybe principally that Chuck Schumer should.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Step out my way stepisode, but he can't do that
between now and Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
But what he could do is say I'm not running again.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I'm going to make this my my my Michael.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
When if you ever know a white man to voluntarily
give up, that just doesn't happen. Doesn't happen with you know,
older white women anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Now, I say, do women give it as anyone give up?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
No, it's just women to have less power to give up.
But I don't see Chuck Schumer between now and Tuesday
giving up power. There are a few people Jerry Nadler's agreed. No, No,
I mean there are definitely people around the country.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
And also, I mean this is a major issue. It's
this is a this is a structural issue with the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
The people. These people are very old.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Chuck Schumer is not the oldest, but he's he's certainly
not the youngest.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Well, Chuck Grassley, he's a Republican, is ninety eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, No, No, I mean this is I mean, I
mean throughout throughout Congress. But I think one of the
Democrats problems is specifically, I mean the Republicans at this
point have no problems the Democrats is that you know,
these guys have been hanging around for a long time
and they're not ready to deal with a profound change

(31:00):
of circumstances, and no one would be I mean, if
you've had the job for a long time and suddenly
suddenly the world changes, you're just doing your job like
you've always done it.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Well, You've managed, you've managed to segue from writing books
to going on social media.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
But before we go, we've got many many comments from people.
I'm going to ask you a couple of questions. Do
you think it's possible that missus Trump and her son
moved back into the White House because they know the Felon?
I think they mean Donald Trump is dangerously ill and
they want to be there if something goes wrong medically.

(31:40):
We haven't even talked about the symptoms he displays of
all manner of things.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, well, first thing, I don't think that his wife
has not moved back.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
So Baron's moved without his mum.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
One person is saying they're casting their vote Janet Man,
Janet mahn Ja, Janna t Man. I think is casting
her vote or his vote for a special episode on
what Michael has to say about Stephen Miller, which we
do need to do definitely. Maybe we'll do that next week.

(32:13):
And we also wanted to do a special episode on
Pedos two in the whole pedo culture. Okay, okay, which
I think we should do. Should any president be removed
from office. If there is a suspicion of dementia, and
that's someone from you of a Z I'm assuming that's
University of Arizona Cat eighty one.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Suspicion of dementia.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Well that's because we had doctor John Gartner at the
weekend who diagnosed Trump with so many medical terms. I
got in a bit of a fluster, but I was
sort of convinced by it. The grandiosity, the slow blood
pumping around the body.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, well, this is sort of what elections are for.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
In other words, in a democracy, you should be able
to elect someone with dementia.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
In a democracy, you should be able to elect someone
with dementia. Have very depressing, it's very down a note
to end on. I'm not going to end on or
down a note. I'm going to tell you that we
are going to get some of these mugs in and
we're going to send them to people for the best comments.
We're not going to sell them. We're not going to
do much, but we are going to get t shirts
and mugs for people that's not upbeat. And then when

(33:29):
there's a knock on the door, you hide them at
the back of your cupboard, right or you smash them
into pieces. A knock on the door, A knock on
the door, Michael Wolf. If there's a knock on, they knock,
they don't bang, they bang. All right, Well, oh god,
this is just also depressing, battering RUMs battering. I think

(33:51):
that's just in in law and order, you know, isn't
that just in police movies? No, it's not okay, all right,
this this conversation is taking a very deep term for
the worst. All right, We'll be back on Tuesday, Michael, Joe.

(34:11):
And that's it. Then for this week. Where are we going?
Where are we going next? Tuesday?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Inside Trump's head.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
On the eve, actually on the day of the shutdown,
we'll see are they going to shut down?

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Are they not going to shut down?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Actually that will go into will We'll be in the
afternoon and they will go right up until midnight on
there to.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Shut down or not to shut down. If you have
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Speaker 2 (34:49):
Am I supposed to say something?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I think so inside Trump's here.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm not quite Trump said, I'm feeling giddy with depression
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Speaker 3 (35:14):
You thank people.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I thank before I thank them. I reference the first lady.
We don't know where she's living. She might be living
in DC, she might be living in she's living in
New York. Okay, good for her. We want to reference
her and say as she would have us say, be Beast,
and we want to thank our production team, Devin Rogerino,

(35:35):
Anna von Erson, and our editor Jesse Millwood. And a
special shout out to our be Beast tier of members
Karen White, Heidi Riley, and Connie Rutherford. We need more
be Beast level members. You get lots of extra content,
You get your name read out, Michael will have dinner

(35:56):
with you. What else?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I have a cousin named Karen White. It's my cousin.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Are you Michael's cousin? Let's find out anyway. I hope
she is your cousin, and maybe she's got more members
of the family spring in.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
We'll see you on Tuesday.