Rick Wilson

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, folks, listen, I just left an event, and
so the minute I walked out, the phone exploded, which
it as it would. This is a big story. And
why is it a big story. It's a big story
because this knocks another brick out of the wall of
loyalty to Donald Trump all week. I don't know Jeffrey Epstein,
I don't know, but now he talks about them having

(00:20):
a delicious secret. The fuck out of here, delicious secret
that sounds creepy as hell, that sounds so skis bag
and so gross. I can hardly imagine. And by the
way I am driving, I've got my eyes out of
the cockpit. I know, I know, I know, but I
figured this was a moment where you would forgive me

(00:41):
for going live because I think the context of this.
Ask yourself the most simple question of all, is Donald
Trump better or worse off? Now that the Wallstreet Journal
has released this piece of information, there is no universe
in which he's better off. This is gross, This is nasty,

(01:02):
This is This is an increasing number of data points
that show that the Epstein Trump relationship was close. They
were they were intimate friends. I don't mean they were
physically intimate but they were intimate friends. You don't send
somebody else a note about a delicious secret like that
unless you are Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, you

(01:27):
just don't. It's just gross. The Wall Street Journal, folks
is out there with this piece. My understanding is there's
more to come. My understanding from two sources is there's
more to come. Trump is going to threaten to sue
the Wall Street Journal. They should even though Rupert owns
the Wall Street Journal, Trump should say if Trump should

(01:48):
do it, they should just basically say, bring it on, motherfucker,
bring it on. We will we This is this is journal.
Isn't happening in front of your eyes? And and I
have heard again this. This story has been running around
DC for about thirty six hours now. Yesterday or day before,
I tweeted out, like the rumor mill in d C

(02:10):
is exploding. It's going crazy. And I know a lot
of my go is like, oh, shut up, you're just
trying to troll us. This story has been out there,
that this was coming, and that there's more. And here's
why Trump is even worse soft. This is not being
leaked to them by Dan Bongino or Cash Pattel or

(02:32):
Pam Bondi or the White House, this is coming to them.
For people who were involved in the investigation at some level,
this is coming to them, for people who've seen some
of these materials. My theory of the case has remained
for the since since the blow up with BONDI that

(02:53):
when Trump got into office, sometime around one millisecond after
he was sworn in, they sent a team of Trump's lawyers,
personal or otherwise to start examining all of the Epstein
evidence that the DOJ and the FBI had. I think
they started finding things that concerned them immediately, and I

(03:17):
think the field agents who probably had all this material
were also concerned when they were reviewing it. I think
this is leaking because it's a symptom there's a fear
among the rank and file field agents and the folks
who handled this ADJA the Trump administration's cover up will
soon start destroying evidence. Well, it's out now, and I

(03:39):
can tell you one thing about leaks like this, knowing
both the journal and knowing how leaks work. I don't
think this is the last chunk you're going to see.
I think there will be more to this. This is
a very very bad outcome for Trump, just as he

(03:59):
hoped that Today's leak of his medical condition, which, by
the way, folks, they leaked that he has medical problems
because they wanted to change the subject from Epstein. As
interesting as it is and as obvious as it is,
he has medical problems. They leaked something that Trump would
hate to have leaked because they knew this was coming,

(04:23):
They knew this was happening. They knew this was going
to hit them. I suspect that Caroline love It is
having a very bad night right now. I suspect that
that Susie Wilds is having a very bad night right now.
I suspect that Pam Bondi and Dan Bongino and Cash
Pttel are about to launch a massive witch hunt among

(04:44):
the rank and file FBI and DJ folks, and they're
going to lose their minds on a witch hunt trying
to find out who leaked this, which will only cause
more people to leak. You know, the question was asked
in one of my group chaps today, is Trump dying

(05:04):
about all this physical stuff? Well, in the sense that
we're all dying, He's dying too. But what's happening here?
I think in the most compelling way is that he
is his control over his base is dying right now.
Let me tell you these folks in the Mogo world

(05:25):
who've been calling out Trump for trying to cover this up,
and there are a lot of them, they have been
very nervous that another shoe would drop. They have been
very upset that he wasn't being candid with them. Guys,
a shoe just dropped. It wasn't just a shoe. It
was a size fourteen combat boot. It was a massive

(05:45):
shoe that just dropped. This is bad for Trump at
a level that is unspeakably bad for Trump. And again,
it's not the end. It's a wonderful secret between the
two of them. It's a wonderful secret. Listen, when I
was a younger man, chasing tail was not a secret

(06:06):
something you did. It was not something you you you
you treated as some sort of dark promise. Ockham's razor,
as I like to say, is sharp and true. This
is the kind of birthday card that he sent to

(06:27):
Epstein that would strike me. A secret between these two
men would be something nasty, something grotesque, something horrible. We'll
never know, because Jeffrey Epstein is dead, dead, and he
was found dead in his prison cell. But Donald Trump

(06:52):
still knows from some lawyers may know. But I gotta
tell you, this wonderful secret between these two men has
made this problem much much worse. The witch hunt they're
gonna launch is gonna make it even worse. The craziness
right now of you know, they managed to keep Bongino, Patel,

(07:17):
and Bondi silent since last Friday. None of those people
right now are having an easy time. None of those
people right now are having any fun. Carolyn Levitt having
no fun at all. Let me come back a little
later and talk more about this when I have some
time to make some phone calls. I just came out
of an event, so I literally like came out of

(07:39):
the event, popped on my phone and it was an explosion.
So look, he and Jeffrey Epstein have a secret. You know.
That secret was like, Oh, we're going to Chipriani tonight.
Oh we're going to you know, we're going to this
to x or Y restaurant tonight. That's not a secret.

(08:03):
The secret almost certainly had to do with the women
that Jeffrey Epsi procured for many many wealthy net and
most likely procured for Donald Trump. Bad turn of events
for Trump World, folks, very very very tough turn of events.
We're going to have a lot more to talk about. Again.

(08:26):
I am driving right now. I'm going to try to
do something else later tonight, I think. If not, I'm
traveling tomorrow. I've got to get up at three point
thirty in the morning to start on this road trip.
For tomorrow, Renee and I are are headed to a
fundraiser up in New York. And Yeah, if you're Donald

(08:49):
Trump right now, if you're a Donald Trump's staffer right now,
you do not want to be at the Oval. You
do not want to be in the residence. You do
not want to be within twenty miles the sky. I
guarantee you he is crawling the walls. I'm sure the
truth thing tonight is going to get crazy town. I'm
sure the truth thing is going to be fantastically crazy.

(09:11):
But if you're a Maga who held the line in
the last week and said Trump needs to talk about Epstein,
ask yourself, were you right? Because honestly, you were right.
All these folks in the Maga movement, who I disagree
with on almost every possible political angle, they were right

(09:32):
that Trump needed to talk about Epstein. They were right.
They need to be truth told about Epstein. They were
right that Donald Trump and Epstein had things in common
that needed to be exposed, and that Trump had to
come clean. They were right when they said that Jeffrey
Epstein was a human trafficker and a sexual abuser and

(09:54):
a monster and a pedophile. They were right to want answers.
And now Mike Johnson's trying to cover it up in
the house. That's his latest play. The maga media. I
haven't turned on Fox yet, which I try not to
do as a rule. The magamedia is gonna lose their minds.

(10:18):
This is gonna kick off the Google search trend again
and somehow. Sorry, sorry, maga guys, you're not gonna get
the autopen to trend. Stop trying to make autopen a thing.
It's not a thing. Epstein is a thing. The cover
up got worse tonight. The evidence got stickier and stinkier
and nastier. This is going to hurt and I'm here

(10:43):
for it anyway, folks. I gotta pop. I'm gonna I'm
gonna try to come back later. I can't guarantee it.
I'll try to come back later, let me make some
phone calls to some reporters and some sources of mine
and get a little more context on where this story
is at. I do I do hear from several people,
have heard from several people already that there's more to

(11:03):
come on the story, and I will tell you, like
I said, knowing the human behavior once they launched the
witch hunt, the leaks will get even better and more juicy.
All right, folks, Thanks as always, appreciate you subscribing, tuning
in listening. Tuck you again later, Bye bye, Hey, folks.

(11:24):
Is Rick Wilson. Welcome back to the strategy session on
Lincoln Square. We are delighted to have you with us tonight.
Stuart and I and the rest of the team. We've
been talking all day about this cataclysmic nuclear bomb that
went off inside of MAGA when Trump ordered the cover
up of the Epstein materials, and Stuart, I just want

(11:45):
to jump right in. The damage keeps coming. It seems
like while a few of these people are backing away
from it now, most of the MAGA folks are really
freaked out by this and are really continuing to be
very very angry and up.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, first I gotta say I love your cara on
Trump plays in the key of him minor. We really
should just say that over and over for the next
thirty minutes a day. You know, this whole Epstein thing
is it's always fascinated me with Trump's world's obsession with it,
Maga's obsession because the one person that we know was

(12:22):
really close to Jeffrey Epstein with Donald Trump, I mean
we have we know that he flew on his plane.
I think we got a graphic here. Yeah, you know
what an Epstein list. There's an Epstein list, like I think.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Including there. He had kids on the plane too.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah. Yeah, he had like four numbers for Avanka, which
it can be.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
So you would think that, like, if there was any
sort of logic in the world here, what MAGA should
be is like forget about Epstein. But instead they came
to this. I mean you say this so well, this
theory of the universe, and it's a unified theory of
the universe that evolved around Epstein.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
The presence of a giant pedophile cannibal conspiracy led by
Jeffrey Epstein and Hillary Clinton that happens in the basement
of a pizza restaurant in DC that doesn't have a basement.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, I mean I just go on the record say
I wish life was that interesting, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's really so it's one level. It's just so perfectly
magna because it's so fundamentally stupid that if they release this,
we know for sure that Donald Trump that they maybe
they can try to purge it. But we already have
flight logs and everything, right, and you know, we keep

(13:47):
talking about a list, and you know, as you and
I were talking earlier, they have this very legalistic definition.
They seem to be falling back on of a client
list that there isn't a client list. I don't think
Prince Andrews thought of himself as a client of Epstein's.
I think he thought of him as a buddy of Epstein's.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
You know, this is a circle of powerful men who
weren't paying for this. It's not it's not a prostitution,
a services rendered.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
He wasn't taking venmo from these guys.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this wasn't like busting the DC, you know,
the DC Madam or something. You know. So, uh, you know,
we know that they seized a enormous amount video pictures,
all of this. So what happens to this stuff?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I mean, it's yeah, that that that I mean, Stuart,
I keep reading about the how much material the FBI
teams who went to the island, who went to his
house in Arizona, who went to his house in Manhattan,
how much stuff they were covered, and it is it's
not It's not like one thing you could put on
Pamponi's desks. It's rooms of material. It's it's storage rooms

(15:06):
full of documents and tapes and everything else, which strikes
me as problematic at best. There's not a stinker somewhere
in there for the Trump people.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, well, among the things to be thankful for in
life is that you were not an FBI that had
to go through that stuff. It must be the creepiest
stuff imagined. And look, I mean, we go back to
the fact that you sell the Maxwell was convicted of
human trafficking. Right, So it seems to me, I'm not
really an expert on human trafficking, but it seems to
me that the essence of trafficking, if trafficking involves someone

(15:40):
you you traffic too, So right, otherwise, how was it trafficking?
So she seems to me the only person convicted of
human trafficking for which there seems to be no one
who is trafficking too. And you know, that just sort
of strikes me as odd.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You know, it is it is a it is a uh,
it is a weird flip about why why is she
in jail? Why why is she in prison? It was
if this was some victimless crime, why is she in prison?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
And I keep threatening to do this, but she is
in the prison here in Tallahassee, the Federal Women's Correctional Facility.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I'm really tempted to go to you and maxwell are neighbors.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I know, we're practically neighbors. I'm really tempted to go
down and visit her, I hear, because I'm sure she's
got something to say.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, that would be that would be good, you know,
I mean, it really is one of the more extraordinary
stories of our time. The people that were involved in this,
and the way that he got along, and the whole
story of Epstein. You don't have to be a conspiracy
not to say, how did a guy end up teaching
at Dalton, the most exclusive prep school in d C

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without a college degree?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right? And you know, from being a math teacher at
Dalton to handling this, you know, multi billion dollar accounts
for various incredibly high value individuals. It is it is
a really creepy, like there's something under that, Like it's
almost cinematic. You almost want to like make a mini
series out of the damn thing. Because he clearly had

(17:19):
some some hustle and some skills to persuade people to
do things.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
There's something. I mean, it's like Ted Mundy. There's something
very compelling about the guy they had to be and
you know the fact that the guy who hired him
son became Attorney General Bill Barr, Bill Barr. I mean
this is weird stuff. I mean if you and I
were sitting in a rioter's room in Highway No, look, dude,

(17:44):
that's too much you can't have. Like the guy hires
him to write and then his son.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Becomes the Attorney General of the United States.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
The United States to make sure that nothing bad happens
to it. I mean, look, or maybe like it's part
of him committing suicide. It's the whole thing is quite
cinematically and how explosive is this?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
There's Bill Clinton stuff in there. I mean, if there
is we should know this.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
We should know and I've said this a lot. You
know what, I don't care who's in these files. If
they're involved with sexually exploiting minors, should be out it.
Even if it's Bill Clinton, I don't care. It does
not matter to me at all, as long as you
know America and this is a matter of really I
think compelling public interest production. Guys just said they have

(18:40):
a graphic of some of the evidence that was seized.
Let's let's let's pull that up for a second. Yeah,
so just this is one page of this massive report
and the CDs, these hard disks, all this stuff. Okay,

(19:01):
all these things apparently on them are tens of thousands
of photographs and hundreds and hundreds of hours of video.
And the fact that they've had this now in the
FBI for a couple of years is striking to me,
because suddenly Trump realized the risk he was at, and

(19:22):
suddenly he realized the I mean, it goes on and on.
The guy had the guy who loved his technology, didn't he.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, look, you know, on one level, this is just
not very complicated. It's it's an incredibly creepy, horrible human
being who had this ability because he had access to money,
which is interesting in itself to exploit young women. And

(19:54):
you involved this woman, who also is a fairly compelling figure.
I think he's selling mac who funded. I mean, if
you go back and read how they're they're sort of
mo o. She would position herself as sort of a
buffer between these men and these young women, and they
would develop trust with her, and you know that led

(20:18):
them down this this horrible path.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, Stuart that that is to me one of
the things here. She was an enabler of him. And
she comes from this incredibly sort of lurid background too.
Her father, Robert Maxwell, was a big publisher in the UK,
a sort of Rupert Murdoch figure. Frankly, he died, was assassinated.

(20:42):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Maybe he was her lover Epstein, maybe was killed himself.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Maybe maybe who knows. And and you know, this idea
that has taken hold inside of MAGA now that she
might get a pardon, is driving them even more crazy. Yeah,
And look, she's a she's a hell of a character,
and I think I think in a weird way. I mean, look,

(21:07):
Epstein is a degenerate and a and a sick guy,
but a person like Maxwell who is becomes an enabler
in these things. To me, that's always almost more fascinating
character than than than this is the person with like
serious mental and moral failings, like the person who who

(21:28):
is smart enough to play that game to get those
those young women recruited into his trafficking rings and all
that stuff. That to me is fascinating and in a
horrible kind of way.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I look, I think that there's a a degenerate
sort of upper class of English aristocracy, oh yeah, that
that she is very much sort of played into this,
you know. And I think that her connections to the
royals and all of this was very uh appealing and made.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I think I think Epstein loved that.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It made her seem, I think, to these young women safe,
like how dangerous could be someone if they're going to
introduce me to Prince Andrew, right, And I think she
saw this as as sort of fun and a game
and some obviously some sort of great sexual thrill she

(22:28):
got out of it, you know. And I'm I'm for
people doing whatever they want sexually, don't have fun as
long as it doesn't it with young women that you're exploiting.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Right, don't deal with minors or farm animals. Just that.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
We even sanitize this by referring to them as young women.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
This is your children children.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
And uh, that this went on for so long, and
the fact that there was this case in Florida.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
And while Pamby he was ag.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And he got off. Yep, it's really really evil. And look,
this was Donald Trump's world. I mean, everybody who lived
in New York knew this about Donald Trump. He talked
about it, right, He talked about his wife. He met
his wife at the Kitcat Club.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Right, he told and he told Michael Wolfe that he
the first time he had sex with Milania was on
Jeffrey Epstein's little Lita Express jet.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah. And look, you know what does he say when
Maxwell's arrested.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I wish her well, I wish her well. Yeah, we
made an ad about that in twenty twenty. I remember that.
But Stuart, I mean, this thing has divided the MAGA
folks so badly. I mean, you've got Laura Lumer and
Benny Johnson and Charlie Kirk all going sixes and sevens.
They're all going each which way. Now, Charlie Kirk got
a phone call from Donald Trump. He spent the weekend

(23:59):
screaming at the top of his lungs that all the
data has to come out and and the Epstein cover
up is terrible. BONDI has to go. He gets a
phone call from Trump and this week he completely flips.
We have that clip.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well, I guess he was worried about being deported along
with Rosi o'donna. You know, they both end up on
the same plane and Shackle being sent to get.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
You know, I think for the time being, I'm gonna
trust my friends the administration. I'm gonna trust my friends
in the government to do what needs to be done,
solve it balls in their hands. I've said plenty of
this last weekend, So if you guys want to see
my commentary on it, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, they're gonna trust my friends in the government.
Said maga.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
You know, how is it that we were involved in
a one serious party? At least I think it was
okay to call it serious. And Charlie Kirk is a
major figure of a Pocan party. This weird guy that
headed up College Republicans and didn't go to college, right, yeah,
and all weirdos.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But all these people are fighting in such a way
like I've never seen it before. We talked about this
yesterday on one of our calls on our staff call.
Nothing has divided Mago like this in ten years, nothing,
not even January sixth. There is a rebellion going on
on Trump's True Social page. He got ratioed, folks. And
if you're not familiar with what ratioing is, it's when

(25:24):
you get more replies than you get likes. And and
I read through God God saved me several hundred of
those replies to Trump about stop talking about Epstein and
people his own. People on True Social, which is a
pretty narrowly selected group of Trump fans, they're furious. I

(25:45):
read hundreds of these comments, and they are, Sir, I
love you, I voted for you, but you've betrayed me, sir.
They love calling him sir, which he loves too, obviously,
but they they were so mad, they're so pissed off,
they're so betrayed. And and I don't think it's gonna
gonna solve itself quickly, especially when you still have Laura
Lumer out there beating the drum. Let's bring that up.

(26:07):
If we have that, And Benny Johnson, who is similarly
consequential in the MAGA media ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, a guy being paid through a middle person
by the Russians.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Right, guy, A guy who was getting four hundred grand
a month from the Russians, by the way, Stewart, in fact,
the deal comes along, I will take a four hundred
grand a month deal, even have to dust off my Russian.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
You know, I think you know, here's a question. So
say someone in the Justice Department leaks some of this, right,
and we find out that Donald Trump, what is a parent?
He was very close to Jeffrey Epstein, right, and hung
out with him. He's a guy who has a long
history of being attracted to much younger women, including a Yeah,

(27:01):
I mean this is the guy I thought that you know,
the model you in was like Model Week, and you know,
a guy's talked in public about dating his daughter, which
is you know, it's creepy as fuck. And of course
he hung out with Epstein.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Of course, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
There's plenty of pictures of it. So here's the question.
If this came out and you found out that Donald
Trump was being provided young women by Epstein and Maxwell,
what would MAGA do? Would they accept it? Would this
be finally something that breaks them.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think I think a percentage of them will accept it,
or they'll think it's a lie. They'll think it's made
up of state, which is why Trump said, Oh, those
files were written by Obama and the Clintons.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
By the way, just folks, just so you all all know,
So you're equipped with this data. Those files were turned
over to the FBI during Donald Trump's administration. Barack Obama
never had any access to it. I don't think he
has a secret key to the Justice Department to go
in and alter the files. But yeah, we're at a
point now where excuse me, where the Linking Project has

(28:18):
done what we do. Let's roll and add this is
an exclusive preview for you guys here on the subscriber
chat and on the subscriber review.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
This is an exclusive preview played you first. Ducker. He
knew you wanted to know the truth about the Epstein list.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
We need to release the Epstein list. That that is
an important thing.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, it's sitting
on my desk right now to review.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
So you voted for Donald Trump. How's that working out?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Elon demanded you release the Epstein files. The next day,
you send Ice into Los Angeles. Trump thinks you're stupid.
He can distract you. Trump's old friends Elaine got twenty
years for child sex trafficking. I just wish her well, frankly,
twenty years for child sex trafficking. But there's no record
of who she trafficked the children too. Really, Donald Trump

(29:13):
was president of the United States. If he wanted you
to see the Epstein list, he'd release it. But he's not.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I don't know about Epstein so much if you don't
want to affect people's lives of its phony stuff from then,
because there's a lot of phony stuff for that whole world.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
He played you for a sucker. Maga, you're gonna just
shut up and fall in line like all the rest.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Really, And when I say the question, right, I mean,
is Maga just going to shut up and fall in launch?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
See? I don't think. I don't think they are. I
think there's a part of the Maga influencer class that
built their brand in part around Epstein, around the whole
Q and On kind of inflected conspiracy theory stuff, the
missing children thing, all that. I think they built their

(30:07):
brand around that. I think they're locked into that in
a big way, and I don't think it's easy for
them to walk away from it. Just look what happened
to Charlie Kirk. He had a He had a massive
blowback from what he said, I'm done talking about Epstein,
massive blowback on his socials. He also, like a lot

(30:30):
of other magas, about twenty four hours ago, he started
seeing this talking point pop up from the Trump war
Room and the Trump people that said, the message now
is Biden's auto pen. We have to undo all Biden's
pardons because the corrupt Biden autopen scandal. So I looked

(30:50):
on Google search this morning, and the Epstein scandal bar
is way up here, and the scandal are the autopin
search bar is almost indistinguishable from background noise. They're not
succeeding and changing the subject.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
The lurid appeal of autopans versus child sex trafficking. You know,
I'm gonna not go with the autopan on.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
That, right. I think the autopen is a little less
sexy as a as a news hook in Mago world.
And you know, look, you've got all these guys who
are trying to to to play this out as a
as as a deep state thing that that you know,
Trump is or Bondy is somehow captured by the deep state.
If Bondy, if Trump told BONDI to release this stuff,

(31:39):
it would be out there in a U haul being
delivered to the White House right now. Yeah, and then
I mean Okam's razor. Yeah, there's their bullshit letter they
sent which is just you know, uh, which which went
over in Maga world like a wet fart. But all
of it comes down, I think Stuart to to something

(32:00):
broke in their heads about this. Oh yeah, this is
the other part that's freaking Maga out, and frankly a
lot of non Maga people as well. Like they put
out an edited videotape of the last day or the
last hours of Jeffrey Epstein that shows all the highlights
of having been edited in Adobe premiere and things moved
around and changed. That's not a really good look. That

(32:23):
was not bright of them. And yes they increase its contrast,
but to the full raw and enhance. Folks, even the
raw video apparently shows signs of having been edited. This
is not smart. Cover ups really don't ever work, right,
Stuart I mean, they really fall apart in almost every administration.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, And you know, I think there's a fact that
it could calculate in this. You know, Donald Trump is
only going to be around for a very limited time
here as President of the United States. And these people
who have these mass followings, Now, what are they going
to do if they lose that audience? Because they're gonna
this is what this is their business. This would be

(33:08):
like having your law license taken away if you're a lawyer,
if you're a stockbroker, you know, because once they break
that trust with these people, yep, then look, they don't
have any special skills or any special appeal except outrage
and by making people feel that what they feel is validated,

(33:30):
so anybody else can do that. There's nothing special about
these They're not like athletes and musicians or writers. They
don't have a particular talent.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, they they found a grift with Donald Trump. And
here's one of the things I think that is interesting
about that about that, it's a lesson that Fox has
had to learn. When Fox took a baby step or
two away from Trump, their audience random Newsmax and oh
A n and online sources and YouTube channels. And I

(34:02):
think in a lot of ways, the reason these folks
have not abandoned the Epstein story at the risk of
Trump being angry with them, is that they know there
are other sources out there, other influencers out there, other
commentators out there, who will stick with the Epstein story,
and they're afraid of losing that juice in a big way.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, that's a really good point. You know, we know
from the dominion lawsuit that they were very worried about
losing audience to news. Yeah, and they used that to
justify saying what they knew wasn't true, which was you know,
Donald Trump lawst the election.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah. I think, Stuart, we're going to see this play
out in the next couple of weeks in a way. Look,
I think Bongino is is checked out already. I don't
think he's quit as of I've been writing all day today,
so I haven't really had my head in the social game.
I think he is. He has checked out. He doesn't
want to lose his giant podcast audience, which has a

(35:05):
bit he had a Dan Bongino, for all that he's
an idiot, had a very successful podcast. I would love
his numbers folks tune into the Lincoln Project podcast with
me your host Rick Wilson. But he doesn't want to
lose that audience because that was a job that was
paying him a couple of million dollars a year, not

(35:28):
one hundred and seventy seven five hundred as the maximum
salary in the government is right now. And so I
think he's pretty much done. Bondi is now hated by
some of the biggest influencers in the party who aren't
giving that up. She's going to be on terrible pressure,
terribly pressured. And look, you know this is a guy again.

(35:53):
Like I said, folks, Jeffrey Epstein knew a lot of people.
There's Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein looking pretty casual. If there,
it doesn't matter who's on the list or who's in
the materials. And don't buy, folks, don't buy that very
narrow semantic argument that says there's no Epstein client file.

(36:17):
They made that up in their heads. There's no there's
no Epstein black book. They made that up in their heads.
There are Epstein materials that are relevant to this, that
Donald Trump now understands what is in those materials, and
that Stuart I just came up with this theory the
case in my brain just now. I think it's why
it took this long. I think that he got sworn

(36:39):
in and they went and they had some teams of
lawyers start going through this stuff, and the lawyer said,
oh shit, there's Donald And that's when BONDI got the
phone call from Susie Wilds and said, shut it down.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Look, I think that there's something that's so fundamentally at
the essence of Trump in this whole thing, that it's
about this weird, creepy guy who in many ways is
like just sort of boringly banally evil. You know that

(37:16):
prays woman, and you know that we are able in
the party that once said character counts to put all
this stuff aside. Okay, he was paying off, you know,
a porn star that had sex for four months after
he is young his son was born, I said, I
tweeted about that recently and said that it was two

(37:37):
months after and that was corrected. The point I stag
rerected the guy had sex with the point start they
paid off four months, not two months after you know,
your son was born, But that there's something so fundamentally
evil about Trump that that this is just I mean,

(37:59):
what more evil kind of figure could you be than
Maxwell and Epstein? And Trump is involved in that. It's
just something about it. It's it's like extremist movements just
become more extreme, you know, they just they become more
demanding a purity kiss. The Red Guard didn't end because

(38:20):
there was like a moderate faction of the Red Guard, right,
it becomes so. And look, if this was in China,
and this is very much like time, they would just
erase the person, which is basically what Trump is trying
to do.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
That is, that is what Trump has ordered Bondi to do,
is to erase this story, to to tread or destroy
or hide this evidence forever, and and and look, I
even at this moment, I fear that the chain of
custody and the evidence has already been polluted or redacted.
I would not in any way put it past these
people to have removed incriminating evidence about Trump from the

(38:57):
Epstein materials that the DOOJ has not. Not in the
slightest would I put it past them. Pam Bondy is
is is not a great attorney, but she is very obedient.
And and I suspect that we're going to find out
more about the reason she fired the FBI's chief ethics
or d OJ's chief ethics attorney this week, because it

(39:19):
struck me as not a coincidence that the chief ethics
lawyer at dj is fired the week Pam Bondi begins
a sweeping cover up of this Epstein material. I mean
that that to me is is folks. Water Watergate was
a was a two bit conspiracy, and as they said,
you know, these weren't bright guys and things got out

(39:40):
of hand. This makes the Watergate conspirators look like a
team of people from from Mensa, a team of genius
scientists from Stanford who came together in a in a
in a in a daring heist. This these people are
dumber than a bag of dirt. Dan Bongino, I I
have met Ham Sandwich is smarter than Dan Bongino. Cash

(40:03):
Patel is a grifty, little weirdout. Bondy. I know Pam Bondy,
I know her from Florida. She is not a bright person.
She's good on camera, She's always been good on camera's
She's presentable, as they say down South. But she is
obedient and they're all gonna do whatever Trump tells them,

(40:24):
and they're gonna think, well, I can shred these documents
because he'll pardon me later. Man, if I were the Democrats,
as John Ossop did this weekend, which I thought was brilliant,
I would be out there right now, like I'm gonna
investigate the shit out of this. We're gonna find out
about the missing children. We're gonna find out about the
sexual abuse, We're gonna find out about the pedophiles, no
matter where it leads us, including Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, look, it's that's what you have to be if
you're a Democrat. Now, you can't let the specter of Clinton.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And look, you know I worked for Bob Dole against Clinton.
There's creepy aspects of Bill Clinton that you know, we
should not Oh should be true. I think he had
ended up having a very successful presidency, but there's an
element of him, particularly involving women. If you go back
and you look at the stuff that they said about
Jennifer Flowers, and I mean even if you go back

(41:17):
and look at war Room, it's stuff that post me
to movement would just never be set immigrated these women, Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I mean they did the classic nut or a slut
defense on and look, Bill Clinton was a chronic adulterer.
This is not a secret, and it's not a political
judgment on him. This was and and there were there
were ways that his people handled it that were creepy.
But in this case, yeah, in this case, the Republicans

(41:47):
have a president who they still support, especially elected Republicans,
by the way, and they know this stuff. This is
not a secret. It is not a secret to them
that he was buddies with Jeffrey Epstein. It is not
a secret that there is a corpus of material that
could be incriminating. And as I like to say, Okham's

(42:07):
razor is sharp and true. There is a reason he
has ordered Bondy to cover this up there. And I
strongly suspect, like I said, that, they went in there,
they started looking through this stuff and they went, oh shit.
And folks, we're going to stay on this at Lincoln
Square and at the Lincoln Project. For two reasons. One,

(42:31):
this is a break in the armor of Trump. It
is a rare moment where Donald Trump's power over his
base is shattered. Is a rare moment where Donald Trump's
control of the agenda and the message and the narrative
is shattered and it is right now broken. He is flailing,
He is in trouble. And Stuart, get a couple of

(42:54):
final thoughts from you on this, because I mean, I
think Trump right now, this is probably the worst moment
of any anytime he's been in present in the in office. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You can visibly see Trump panicking. Yeah, And you know,
this is a guy that thought that he was untouchable.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And the stuff that I mean, that's that's the tragedy
of having a guy who tries to overthrow the government
then except and he still gets re elected. That guy
is going to think that he can get away with anything.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
And the stuff that they're doing in the government now,
which is tremendously evil and I think a lot of
it is illegal. The Supreme Court has become the sort
of shameful enabler of the stuff. And you know whether
or not it's Marco Rubio being uh complicit and helping

(43:50):
what he's going to be in essence, the murder of
millions of children, killing of the USA, I d what
they're doing with ice, and he's getting away with all
of that. And so this comes up and it's like
a hand from the grave reaching up, Like you know,
this is a guy who you know, spent years it's

(44:11):
it's Studio fifty four, coked out of his mind, who
like you know, had sex with the endless number of models.
It thought church was a place you go every ten
years to sort of marry a model who becomes like
you know, the Republican Party. Yeah, and so he thought
he could get away with it all. And you know,
on some lizard level of his brain, he's always been

(44:32):
afraid of this, right because he knows what's there, and
he knows what he did with Epstein, and he knows
what he did with Maxwell yep and you know that's
bad stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
You know, Donald Trump learned from at the foot of
Roy Cone about deny deny, deny butt at a certain
point that denied, deny deny has just broken down for him. Yeah,
just thinking, oh, that that creep, that creep where there
are hundreds of photographs of you hanging out with that creep.

(45:05):
Because you know, I knew a lot of Palm Beach folks.
One of one part of my practice before you know
I went against Trump and lost all my corporate clients.
One part of my practice, I represented a bunch of
incredibly wealthy individuals in Palm Beach County for their political work.
And and I heard stuff about Trump and Epstein in

(45:27):
the nineties down there. I heard stuff about Limbaugh and
Epstein and Trump and all this whole sort of like
ten thousand dollars a night hookers and all that stuff.
And and I never I never focused on it that
closely because I didn't really care about Trump at the time.
I didn't really care about Epstein at the time. But

(45:47):
none of this was a secret in Palm Beach and
New York, folks, none of it was a secret. And
if Pam Bondi has her way, it will be a
secret if Democrats retake Congress. I think this is going
to be it's going to I think this is going
to make the Watergate hearings look like child's play because
they are right now engaged in covering up the sexual
abuse of young girls and young women at scale to

(46:09):
protect Donald Trump politically. And like I said, folks, Lincoln
Square is not gonna let up on this. Lincoln Project's
not gonna let up on this. We're gonna keep telling
you the truth about what's what we see, what's going on,
and about the impact it's having on MAGA. So with that,
I also want to say to everybody, join Lincoln Square,
Join the Lincoln Projects. Uh you know, this is the

(46:31):
Lincoln Projects media arm we have. We have built this
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a newspaper or a cable network and screaming at them
and in threatening, attimidated.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I'm not worried about our impending merger being affected by
the Justice Department. No, no, but we are fearless fare.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah. But look, he can't shake this theory. He can't
shake this guilt. You see him, folks, He looks racked
with anxiety. I don't think Trump feels guilt like normal
humans do because he's kind of associopath. But he has
fear of losing things. He has fear of his image
being being beaten up. And I really really believe that

(47:23):
we've got to keep the pedal to the metal on this, folks.
This ad releases tomorrow, the one you saw here on
the show tonight. We're gonna run it one more time
as we go out in a minute, But stay tuned
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we've got another one coming later in the week that
I promise you you will like. It is as hard

(47:46):
a link at Project hit as you're ever going to see,
and it was an interesting story how it got developed,
which we will never tell in public. So with that, folks,
I want to thank you all for watching the strategy
session with me and Stuart Stewart. Thank you so much.
I know it is late where you are, so we're
gonna we're gonna wrap it up here tonight.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
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Subscribe to Lincoln Project. If you're listening to this your subscriber.
At some point it will be released to other people.
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(48:44):
can change things. No one is gonna save us but ourselves.
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Speaker 1 (48:49):
Right, folks. We're gonna play that ad one more time
and we will see you next week.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Hey, Maga, he played you for a sucker. He knew
you wanted to know the truth about the Epstein list.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
We need to release the Epstein list. That is an
important thing.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Would you declassify the Epstein files?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, it's sitting on my desk right now to review.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
So you voted for Donald Trump. How's that working out?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Elon demanded you release the Epstein files. The next day,
you send Ice into Los Angeles. Trump thinks you're stupid.
He can distract you. Trump's old friends Elaine Maxwell got
twenty years for child sex traffick camp. I just wish
her well. Frankly, twenty years for child sex traffick camp.
But there's no record of who she trafficked the children too. Really,

(49:44):
Donald Trump is president of the United States. If he
wanted you to see the Epstein list, he'd release it.
But he's not.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
I don't know about Epstein so much. If you don't
want to affect people's lives of its phony stuff in
there because there's a lot of phony stuff with that
whole world.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
He played you first, soccer Maga beginning. Just shut up
and fall in line like all the rest really