Rick Wilson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Fast Politics, Rick.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Wilson, Hey, Molly drunk Fast.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's another week of Epstein.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Keff Yes, and it's all Epstein. It's all Epstein, all
the time, for the rest of all time. Because he
has lost control of the narrative. He keeps trying to
throw boob bait out there for the Rubs, and they're
not even picking it up. They're not taking it. They
don't want it. They're angry with him, and I'm here
for it.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
So let's talk for a minute about why what this
looks like we have Trump is truth's truthing. It's funny
because it's like you really do see, like, you know,
so much of the media narrative is like Democrats didn't
get involved in culture war issues. But actually what it
is is like you just should ignore all of this,

(00:48):
like everything that Trump is trying to do, all the
culture war bullshit, it's just ignore it and talk about stuff.
You know, He's saying, we're going to switch it to
the Washington redskin. We must have them be called the
Washington Redskins. They can no longer be called anything else
but the Washington Redskins. So basically what we're learning here

(01:11):
is that everything Trump is doing is bullshit to get
the base excited.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That's correct. And if this is the next Democrat who
takes who says anything about the Washington Redskins except to say, no,
we should rename it the Washington Epstein's because that's it,
you know, stay on this thing. Do not let him
off the mat, Do not let him, do not let
him recover, do not let him get a moment of

(01:39):
peace in this, do not let him play his game.
And so far, not only if his base not letting
him play his game, but Democrats have done a great
job at not letting him play his game.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So explained, we should.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Keep pounding him on the Epstein issue, the lawsuit again,
Burdock will blow back on him. Set a thousand FBI
agents to review Epstein material, has created a thousand new witnesses,
a thousand new sources for stories. And the fact that
he did that is an overt in my mind, signal

(02:12):
that he feels like there is incriminating and compromising material
inside the Epstein files and the Epstein legal materials, and
it has caused him to be completely off his autopilot
for the last ten days. I do not want to
let up on that for two reasons. One, it's an
important issue where they for years have blamed every Democrat, and.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right, it matters. Nothing else matters to them. They don't
care about all the stuff that makes the rest of
us horrified, but this, for whatever reason they care about.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
They spent ten years molly telling themselves, we're saving the children,
and Donald Trump will help us save the children from
from Hillary Clinton and George Soros and John Podesta and whoever.
It was all a lie, was all made up, but
they bought into it, and it became a central part
of their political character, their personality. They couldn't stop themselves

(03:08):
from internalizing it because it was a ucy, compelling story,
and to many of them it explained in their heads
that the Democrats had this giant blackmail system that Epstein
ran for them, and that it was this cohesive worldview.
But it was all bullshit, right, and and the and

(03:30):
a monkey could have figured it out. It was all bullshit,
but they couldn't. And now there, I think it's twofold,
right now, Well, they the dog off the car and
they can't figure out what to do. They just can't
figure out what to do, and that it's driving them crazy,
And two the ones who really believe it, because look,

(03:51):
Jack Postobik and Steve Bannon and and all these other
Alex Jones. They knew it was bullshit, but the bass
swallowed the bullshit hole and they believe been one hundred percent.
And now all the SCA influencers and the bullshit artists
are being punished by the base because they're you know,
they're like, wait, you told us this was the most
important thing. You told us this was happening. You told

(04:13):
us we had to help save the children. And you know,
it was part of what created QAnon. It was part
of what created a lot of the attacks on Hillary
in twenty sixteen, part of what created attacks on Joe
Biden throughout his administration and this campaign.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I think that's right, and I also wonder if there's
something else right, Like, clearly the base is upset and
the base feels betrayed, but there's something else happening here,
which is this sort of like they're seeing behind the
curtain in a way that I think they've never done before.

(04:49):
We've never seen this sort of the base see through
the cracks. And then also I just think this sort
of it's created a panic we're also seeing how much
Maga world is influenced by Trump, right, that the media
complex is really created by Trump. Right, because we saw
Charlie Kirk was all was like, release the Epstein fowles,

(05:12):
and then he was like, hey, guys.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm done talking about the Epstein file.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right, Donald Trump says, stop talking about the Epstein files.
I think that is very There has to be a
sent in which the base is putting together that they
are being really controlled by Trump, that all of this
is controlled by Trump took.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think that's right. And I think there's also another
part of this that I think even the mainstream media
has After ten years, some people have woken up to,
maybe I shouldn't chase the rabbits that he puts out
there every single day. Maybe I shouldn't chase the bullshit
that Caroline Levitt says every single day. Maybe I shouldn't

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always run with the next thing, the next shiny object
he throws in front of me. Maybe I should dig
in a little harder on the assertions that he makes
and the stories that he tells, and the lies that
they that they intuit frequently are lies or distractions. Maybe
they've realized you don't have to play the same game
over and over again with this guy, because he is essentially,

(06:14):
you know, his own, his own narrative, his own story
has fallen apart in front of them. And I think
a lot. And I had a couple mainstream reporters in
the very beginning of this like, well, you know, yeah,
they were they they're on video a couple of times,
but there's no real evidence they were ever like close friends.
I was like stuff for all the evidence that they
were close friends. I think there's one more thing here
that's happening with his bass. And I think that, like

(06:37):
a lot of authoritarians, the grip is so strong for
so long that when it starts to loosen, when it
starts to get shaky, even they have a moment like
oh damn. And and I do think while the while
that Trump controls a lot of the MAGA influencer media, right,
he doesn't, as we've seen now in control the Wall

(06:58):
Street Journal.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Or he doesn't control Rupert Murdoch, the ninety four year
old who created him. He does not control.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Correct the original doctor Frankenstein, who created the Trump monster.
It still still has the power. And I think we're
probably about to witness a very interesting dynamic at Fox.
Fox's lawyers are notoriously litigious, notoriously aggressive, notorious Ryan Dicks.
But you've once in a blue moon seen Rupert tell

(07:26):
even the Night Side of Fox. Okay, this is our message. Now,
I don't know that Rupert, at ninety four years old,
doesn't want to go out with a bang. He has
broken he has broken governments around this world. He has
broken prime ministers, he has broken kings, he has broken banks.
Rupert may want to go out with one final Hurrah.

(07:48):
Trump's submersion in a scandal of this magnitude is not
just break for Rupert personally had to have revenge on
Trump for trying to sue him for ten million dollars.
It's also great content for the network. It's also great.
It's also a great storyline.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
But it's a huge rating thing.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And even Trump couldn't resist the deep state. Who will
be the next true hero of conservatives? I mean, there's
a way I can see Rupert having a very profitable
experience from this. And you know Rupert, he does love money.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I also want to point out that there is now
two things. On Tuesday, Vice President JD Vance made a
trip to Montana to meet with Rupert and Lochlan discuss.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
If I'm Donald Trump, I worry that the twenty fifth
the mimic drum beat will get get louder sooner. Rupert
and Lachlan could get along just fine with Jada.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Vance, Well, a lot of people could.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'm Trump, I'd be very worried about. I'd worried about stories,
not just appearing on Fox about his Epstein matter, but
more stories about his health. That'll be the tag, that'll
be the giveaway from Fox. If they're going to really
turn the machine on their own creation, they'll have start
having doctors on, like what about the President's health? Is
he okay? Can he still lead? And they might even

(09:08):
couch it to keep their audience around, like, while we
love Donald Trump, we worry about his health. It's an
interesting moment.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean, I mean, Maria Barbarola, I mean, I just
want to point out, so far we have seen no
evidence on the opinion shows. Now, certainly the Wall Street
Journal is running this story, and it has, but the
opinion shows are still very much Trump's they are, but
once again, a finer point on it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Once again, let's remember one thing about all those people
unlike any other network. Those people are employees of Rupert Murdoch,
who will if he says, John, heanity, I want you
to go out on stage and I want you to
say that Trump is a jackass and a fool's Henry
may resist it.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
But somebody will eventually do.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Rupert's power will will exercise itself. He has editorial control
unlike the head of any other network. Right by far
correct so and look, I think again there there's a
very dangerous moment for Trump coming up. There is a
confluence of Rupert in this fight and what Elon must

(10:14):
does behind the scenes at Twitter. If he algorithmically decides,
because Elon's back up on the Epstein wagon again, beating
Trump on it, he's been, He's been mentioning it all
week last week. But if Elon decides he wants to
elevate Epstein content and mute the maga troll armies that
keep Trump keep Trump's message like keeping the base in

(10:36):
rigid order. There are two ways that the base gets information.
It's Fox and it's Twitter. Right, If Elon wanted to
play fucking around, even behind the scenes, he could have
a really bad impact and amplify any any of these
things about Epstein. Actually, I saw someone ask that question
the other day in a in a in a pro
mogu Alive, like they were worried, like is Elon going

(10:59):
to to make this Epstein stuff bigger? I'm like, yes, Elan,
you should.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right right, I mean, and it is worth it is
worth wondering about. Like Elon is out, so Elon may
want to get back in, but so far there's zero
evidence that Elon is is going to be invited back in.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
So far there's no evidence of that. I think that
Trump and the Epstein problem has probably delayed Trump trying
to screw Elon over like SpaceX contracts and Starlink contracts
and things like that with the government. But I do believe,
I do believe that Elon still has a weapon in
his hand, right. I think I think even Trump understands

(11:47):
if tomorrow and look, Elon knows what they over at Twitter.
They know what all the bot information, all the bought
armies are. They know, they know who they have boosted
on the Maga influencer side over over again. You know,
why is it the Maga influencers get eighty thousand likes
and twenty five thousand retweets on on On posts that

(12:08):
say Troupe is cool and everyone else's voices are sort
of like at a baseline, Elon controls that machine if
he decided to use it to put pressure on Trump,
to elevate Epstein, to elevate the crisis of Trump's health,
to elevate the fight with with Rupert. He's got enormous power,

(12:28):
you know, And as I always tell people, power doesn't
exist unless you use it. But Rupert also enormous enormous power.
And Rupert is accustomed to using that power right, and
he is accustomed to presidents calling him sir, right and
asking how they can gain his favor.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Republican president, democratic president.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yes, correct, correct, don't have a chance to do it.
But you know, look, Trump files a ten billion dollars
lawsuit against you. You're going to wake up in the
morning and go, huh. You're not going to say how
can I make his presidency better? You're not gonna say
how can I make him how can I get him
out of this horrible pr trap that he's put himself
down with Jeffrey Epstein. You're gonna say, well, I have lawyers,

(13:13):
guns and money. As the old Warren Zyvon Song says,
and he's going to deploy at least a couple of those.
And I think, I really think that one of the
things Fox has always been great at is amplifying a
really important Trump narrative, that Trump always wins, that Trump
is always the winner, that the guy who always beats

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the Libs always beats the media always beats the rhinos
always beats the never Trumpers. And right now Trump is losing,
and all of those groups, weirdly, for the first time
in history and probably the last, are pretty much in
alignment that the Jeffrey Epstein cover up, because let's remember,

(13:56):
this is a government cover up. Now, it's not just
Trump's past, it's the cover up that's happening while we
are speaking about this. And look, we talked about this
last time. Stusey Wilds called Pam Bondi and said something
to the effective you got to clean this up. We
also now know that this call came earlier than we thought,

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and the call came with Bondy ordering the FBI to
put a thousand people on analyzing the Epstein documents and
case information, specifically to discover any references to Donald Trump.
They did not do that to make the case clear
to America. They did not do that to help the victims.
They did not do that to bring justice. They did

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it to protect Donald Trump and a thousand people looking
at those documents. That is now a thousand subpoenas in
a case, either the civil case with Fox or any
case in the future about this. It is now a
thousand subpoenas in any congressional case when the Democrats take
power to take the House back over. This has turned
into something. It's been a mistake. All cover ups are

(15:00):
a fuck up and a mistake. Every time you try
to cover up something in government, it fails. Three people
can keep a secret in government if two of them
are dead.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And even minutesky, I think that's right. I also wonder
if when you find yourself in a situation like this,
like there's all of this material that went to Pambondi, right, right,
that supposedly went from the FBI, they've sort of narrated
enough to hang themselves, right, they've said, and so talk

(15:32):
us through that. Right, They've said that they have this, Remember.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
She said, well, first off, she said she had the
Epstein client list on her desk. And no matter how
much they say parse that interview. That's what she was
responding to, right, That's what she also said. Bongino and
Patel said, there are thousands of hours of video material,
some of which is is is child exportation? Right. They

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also affirm in that the FBI had seized thousands of
hours of video, thousands and thousands of photographs, all kinds
of other ancillary evidence from Jeffrey Epstein's homes in Little
Saint John and in New Mexico or it's Arizona, well
out west what I think it's New Mexico, and in Manhattan.

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They took all kinds of material. They have admitted that
the g OJ has said, do we have this? We
don't know what that is. We don't have a full
we have we have some limited exposure to what it is.
We don't have a full catalog of what it is.
And the fact that they also had a vast trove
of material from the Florida case that Alice Acosta, Trump's

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labor secretary Gabe Epstein the sweetheart deal. R.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I mean, you're just so they're so implicated in this,
even if like even if alex Acosta was just like,
it's a rich white guy, we don't charge them with crimes,
the fact that this administration has been for so long
being like there's something here, we released the you know,
the reality is, and you and I both know this.

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The government is ineffective in many, many, many ways, and
often they're just lazy and sort of fuck up stuff.
I mean, most likely the most likely explanation with a
lot of this is just laziness and disorganization. That said,

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if you have been telling your base for months and
months and months and years and years, two years, almost
a decade maybe more, that there's a secret birth certificate
and that there's child traffic, if you have been telling
them again and again that something is coming and it
turns out that what's coming is you trying to protect

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your rich friends or you trying to protect your boss,
then either answer is infuriating to these people.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And Molly looked part of this came from the fact
that the base was told that all the people in
this global pedophile ring, not just with Epstein, but with
the QAnon, Pizzagate, Jack Pasobic Pizzagate stuff, all that stuff.
They were told that it was Democrats Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton,

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Barack Obama, Joe Biden, George Soros, John Podesta on and
on and on and on. They were told that this
was sort of the Rosetta stone to revealing that the
Democrats were all pedophiles, they were all child sex traffickers,
they were all involved in this horrifying, profoundly sick accusation.

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And as you find more of these stories coming out
about this, it's like when Trump has a party of
enage models at his house and the only person on
the guest list is Jeffrey Epstein, when you see him
talk about their beautiful secret. You know, I don't see
a lot of notes revealed from Hillary Clinton saying, hey,
what a great party last night, Jeffrey, those babies were delicious.

(19:03):
None of it. You see Trump connections more and more.
And look, as I've said over and over, if there
were powerful men where they are Republican or Democrats, sexually
exploiting children, America deserves to know about it, and they
deserve to be punished. And I don't care, it doesn't
matter what they are.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
If it's Phil Quinn and if it's Donald Trump, nobody cares.
They have to go to jail. This is not okay. Now,
it's striking to me that the base also agrees with that,
and they're right. I mean, like it happens to be
that this entire controversy is something where like the base

(19:41):
often wants to do things which are in fact based, right,
deport grandmothers, separate children, arrest students, students for writing op eds.
That stuff is actually based, but locking up child sex predators.
That on both sides is you nobody cares what they

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literally how they voted.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Just right, I mean, and look if you give if
you and I'm not often want to do this. If
you take the MAGA base at their word that one
of their big issues has long been the presence in
the world of child sex trafficking. If they find themselves
in a position where it seems like that the rich
child sex traffickers, as Donald Trump said on the record,

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well there are many people in there. Maybe it would
ruin their reputations. Maybe it's fake. Right, they don't believe
this is fake. And the DJ is pretty good at
accumulating and processing and understanding evidence. And this evidence so
far that has been published in the Wall Street Journal,
that has been talked about elsewhere, has not been proven
to be fake. As the Florida case demonstrated. His abuse

(20:49):
of epste's abuse of young girls and young girls and
young women. I know there's a distinction between the two
folks because there are a lot of people say when
you say young girls are young women, like those young girls,
it was, in fact both it was young women and
young girls, yeah, who were horribly exploited by this guy.
He is a monster. If you look at a world
where Donald Trump seems to be defending both his relationship

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with Epstein by trying to minimize it and by trying
to underplay the evidence against other powerful men in those
in those materials, it's a perfect recipe for the base
to finally, after a decade, have a crisis of conscious
about this guy.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I think there really are people who on the manga side,
I'm I'm gonna give a brief piece of generosity in them.
I think there really are people on the maga side
who believed in their hearts that there was a global
child trafficking and sex abuse ring and they wanted to
do something about it, And now they're finding out it
was their guy. I understand where they're at. It's hurt,

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It must hurt, must hurt a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Rick Wilson, will you come back

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Always, My dear