Rick Wilson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everybody, Welcome back to Lincoln Squares the Strategy Session.
I am joined tonight by the Great Joe Trippy and
the great Stuart Stevens, both men of great experience, great wisdom,
and in Joe Trippy's case, a great damn beard. God
damn that.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm working on.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Stuart is, of course clean shaven, unlike the rest of us.
But folks, listen, I'm very tempted to rename this the
Jeffrey Epstein Channel, because that's basically all we're going to
talk about for tonight, just like last week. Because weirdly enough, guys,
I want to start with this. No matter how much
the House of Representatives wants to have run out of

(00:39):
town so they don't have to vote on Jeffrey Epstein
and on on on releasing this material, this has become
the most dominant news story that Trump has been unable
to control in our in our political lifetimes. Here, in this,
in this, in this Trump era, nothing he has been
able to do has shaken this, this obsession with the

(01:02):
public and with his own base about getting to the
truth about Jeffrey Epstein. So let's talk about the state
of play, guys, for a minute. To start with you, Joe.
I mean Trump has gotten to the point now where
he's throwing every distraction under the sun out there worse
than normal, but it doesn't seem to be working, and
it seems to be getting more panicky and more freaked.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Out, absolutely panicky, freaked out. And I think it's you know,
I said, it's like he's protesting so much that it's
it's backfiring big time. I mean, there's just no way out.
The more the more he squirms, the more he distracts,
the more you're sure there's something there, right, and then

(01:45):
when and the more Maga notes there's something there, which
is his bigger problem. So now I agree completely completely Rick.
It's it's it's he can't shake it.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, Stuart, we see this a lot with with Trump.
Is the the tossing out the distractions, and the media
chases it, and his own base chases it, and Fox
leads the way. But he's broken the spat the pattern.
Now he's broken the system somehow, And I just find
it fascinating how deeply defensive he feels, and how how

(02:18):
how he doesn't feel like he's in control of the
situation at all.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, you know, I expect him to announce that maybe
he's getting separated or divorced just to sort of sympathy
vote here. You know that the problem here is that
all that stuff that we used to say, Rick when
we were at a cooking party, the character.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Personal integrity, the character is king. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
You know the title of a of a book actually
written you know, by Reagan speech writer. Yep, it was true.
And this is all just sort of inevitable. They elected
this guy and Republicans have completely turned over the party
to this sleezy guy who's always been a sleezebag who yeah,

(03:09):
I mean, just.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Go through it.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
And and they know it. And they made this deal
with with the devil, and what they forget is that
mesostophiles not only doesn't deliver, he takes your soul right.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Right. And and the the idea of the house running
away this week, I think I think it's it's so
it's such a big deal because it shows two things.
One that they that that that they represent only Donald Trump,
but two and not their constituents but two. Mike Johnson

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knows he has enough Republicans who are who've gone rogue
now right, Joe to to sign a discharge petition to
demand the d o J turn over all its materials.
This guy has got to be getting phone calls from
Trump that are that are off the off the hook.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay, well, the whole thing here is that he's he's
now like relegated to attacking his own supporters himself, I mean,
you know, basically telling them to call it, telling them
that they they're great for the hoax. I mean, his
his his monk has always been to attack, attack, attack,
but it's always been the lids, Obama, Clinton, you know whatever.

(04:24):
And now it's though you wrote, you know, you ruse,
how can you believe this? I mean he was dishing
it to him the whole time.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Why did you believe my lies? Dummy?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Great?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I mean, you gotta give you gotta give Jeffrey Epstein
some credit here. I mean, he managed to shut down
a Republican Congress, which for a.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Dead guy trying of reminds me, like, you know, all
this stuff about Romney's dog, Well Mitt Romney's dog ended
up with his own Wikipedia page, which.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Is not bad for a dog. So you know, here
Epstein is he literally to reach from the great shut
down the world's only superpower Congress. I mean but look,
I mean, look at look at Johnson. If I just
woke you up in the middle of the night and
held up a picture of him and say, this guy
is defending a pedophile, you wouldn't go no, no.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Really, I look at him and say, this guy looks
like he has the bodies of dead boys in his trunk.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
He's such a creepy little guy. I just wonder if
there's not some guilt for all the you know, people,
kids in high school that stuck him in lockers, that like, well,
I'm sorry, we shouldn't have done this. But you know,
it's just this whole world that has surrounded Trump. I mean,
it really is sort of the ultimate Danum wall that

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they would end up defending a pedophile. I mean, Maxwell,
she's you know, she's serving twenty years for sex trafficking,
but apparently no one like bought what she was selling.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Right, It's just was it the concept of the idea
of a plan of sex trafficking?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah no, but this was Homey and Obama and Clinton's
all all writing this as a hoax and for doing
the whole thing. But but for some reason, they didn't
release the.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
List, right, don't don't the whole, the whole insanity could
not have ratchet any higher for me today. And when
I learned that apparently two two fun facts. One, Howard Lutnik,
his trade guy, also has ties to Jeffrey Epstein. I mean,

(06:41):
at this point, you're gonna hear at this point, we're
gonna find out that Donald Trump wanted to sleep with
his own daughter. It's just shocking.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
No, no, I talked about dating his own daughter in public.
I mean, look, you know, if we just said a
year ago that you'd have mass men chasing gardeners through Brentwood,
but it would be funded with the largest amount of

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money of any military in the world except for two countries,
that this would be more than the Marine Corps. And
you know, people would have said, that's crazy. They're not
going to be masked, They're not going to be breaking
on windows of doctors and pulling them out of the cars.
And it's the same thing he said, he's going to
be accusing a mom of treason, which really, you know,

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kind of brings us back to it was birthism that
brought Donald Trump into the court of their public.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know what, It's funny, It's funny you mentioned that
Stuart because I was on I was on MSN today
and we were talking about that, and that came up.
You know that this that this was that this was
the the day zero. The origin story of Trump's political
rise on the right. Why he got invited to see
back in twenty ten or two thousand and eight was

(08:04):
that he was out saying their certificate.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
I'm gonna I'm gonna pay millions to find the real certificate,
which is like OJ finding the real killer, of course,
and and nothing came of it except he learned that
MAGA audience loved that shit. They love that conspiracy theory liapalooza.
So you know, ironically he's like, oh no, seem definitely

(08:32):
was never ever a conspiracy. But I'm gonna release everything
I'd have about UFOs and Bigfoot and and JFK and
and the greatest response on Twitter yesterday though, they put
out a bunch of stuff about Martin Luther King, which
a historian today told me, none of it's particularly new,
it's all it's this is all pretty you know, understood,
well understood material. But Bernice King replied with the most

(08:56):
brilliant tweet I think I've seen. I was so jealous
of it. I couldn't even see straight.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I think we have that. You can here, puff that up.
Now do the Epstein files and the picture is just
like letter perfect.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's perfect. Man. That was really fun. But again, like
it's it's all true. It's like, you're releasing all this
other stuff, but hey, won't release the Epstein files. Why
what are you hiding? And the maga crowd can't get
enough of it?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right, And here's the other thing, you know, the conspiracies
that they pretend don't exist now Epstein are nothing compared
to the conspiracies that that they had in their heads
for ten years. It used to be this global pedophile ring,
almost as if. I mean, can you imagine a conspiracy

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that goes this deep if the president's wife met him
through Jeffrey Epstein and her agent who was a close
friend of Epstein, guy named I've got to read it
here again Paolo Zambouliet, which is you know what, Look,
I'm sorry, it's just like.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But right, so this is just a class I don't
see why you guys are so cynical about this. It
is a classic American love story. A guy, a guy
married to his second wife me to you know, a
model at the Kitcat Club. This is this is really

(10:34):
just hardwarming.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
It was love at first credit card swipe.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Really I mean to.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ship, but I mean, look this guy, this, this guy
Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a connector
of many, many wealthy, powerful people. And to take the
joke out of it for one second, because while it
is hilarious to watch Trump flail about this, Jeffrey Epstein
and Donald Trump were very very close friends. They had

(11:04):
a long relationship. He literally met his wife through Milagna,
and Milania met him. He Milania met he met Malanya
through Epstein and Epstein's one of Epstein's modeling associates, this guy,
Paolo Zambouli. He then later appoints, folks, I mean that

(11:25):
a whole like conspiracy start with threes. Donald Trump appointed
Alex Acosta, who was the guy who gave Jeffrey Epstein
a sweetheart deal in the first administration, as Secretary of Labor.
Nobody could have picked alex Acosta out of a lineup.
He appointed Howard Lutnik as his trade rep, another buddy
of Epstein's next door neighbors partying blah blah blah. He
appoints the skuy Zamboli not only as the ambassadors Dominica,

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but now to the Kennedy Center board, who was also
tied in with Jeffrey Epstein's modeling modeling business, and all
of it, all of it just blows my mind because
there is no world in which if Hillary Clinton and
Jeffrey Epstein shared a cab, these people would would would

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have made it into a global conspiracy. And now it's
just all nothing to see.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Him that was part of the global conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh yeah, right, it went into the underground garage, the
pizza restaurant where the torture center was.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
But I have a friend who actually was a very
successful model, and she was around the same age as Millennia,
and she sketches her head. She goes, well, you know,
I mean she was a catalog model.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So right, yeah, this whole bulls about Trump roll like
she was a supermodel. No. No, but but it is
is the distractions he's trying to put push up. Now.
I think all this stuff folks that we're talking about tonight,
and the distractions he's trying to throw out there, they've
gotten so big, they've gotten so elaborate. Now that he's

(13:03):
out today saying Obama is guilty of treason, which, by
the way, folks, just so you know, treason in this
country is punishable by death or at best or a
lifetime imprisonment. So you're talking about the White.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
House published that tweeked with him Obama with AI showing
Obama being invested in the Oval office right right now,
really trying to normalize all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, and I think Tulsi Gabbert has taken point here
trying to pretend that all this oh Russia, the Russia, Russia,
Russia Russia hoax, as Trump always calls it, which was
not because folks, not only did the Senate and the
CIA and the FBI all independently confirm that Russia tried

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to manipulate the twenty sixteen elections by supporting Donald Trump
and succeeded. Now Tulsi Gabert's trying to rewrite history on this,
and they're claiming that Barack Obama is guilty of trees
and Barack Obama personally ordered this and wrote this and
all that. Fox is flooding the zone on it tonight
as you can, as you could.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, but this is another one that's gonna go So
the magacraft is going to bite this hook and sinker, yep, sinker.
They're gonna they are going to demand that he.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, when will Obama be arrested?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
And when will he be arrested? And they're gonna have
to end up doing the same thing and so not,
and you know there'll be some I mean, it's the
same fork in the road. Either you have to admit
you were duped or they've got to arrest Obama and
make my day.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, it was one of my favorite moments. It
was Marco Rubio, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee YE
who chaired the investigation of this, and they concluded that
all seventeen US intelligence agencies were actually right that Russians
did how to elect Donald Trump. And Rubio asked about

(15:06):
this sort of incredibly by a reporter, like it was
your own report that said that you.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
You literally signed this, Marco.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
He signed this report. That doesn't matter. I mean, the
levels of a humiliation that Trump can force these people
to go through to defend themself utterly calling himself a liar,
it's it's staggering.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Debby makes a good point that Obama has immunity just
like Trump. Does for anything he did while he was president.
So uh.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So, yeah, hey, so Donald, go fuck yourself is the
short answer. But I mean, Joe, you were talking about
joking about this before the show. I hope they arrest
Bireack Obama. Yeah, well, God bless America's ship will get
so loose so fast. It would be the This would
be a moment where these people that keep telling us like, oh,

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you're you guys, are you guys are exaggerating? You're too
worried about this? Why are you so paranoid? They get it.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's gonna be. We want to we want to and diet,
and we want to arrest him. We can't because he
has immunity right the court? Why did the Supreme Court
get him? I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right, Trump will come out and say I would like
to arrest Obama, who's guilty and I knew it, But
the Supreme Court, the libtard Supreme Court, Marxists will not
let me. So they're protecting me rapp Hussein Obama exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So where's Steve Bannon in all this? You think I'll
apply it the last?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, did you guys hear the story Steve Bannon. The
two years before he was arrested. Apparently he and Jeffrey
Epstein were spending a lot of time together, no hand
to God, and he filmed fifteen hours of what was
going to be a documentary to fix Jeffrey Epstein's reputation.
He was giving Jeffrey Epstein pr advice on his reputation.

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And I'm like, at least one thing you can say
about Steve Bannon, at least he has gigantic balls, because
on the one that he's out calling for an investigation
of of of of of Epstein, and on the other
hand he's giving him pr advice. There's been a New
York Times sorry about the end of the day. I
was like, oh my god. I mean, if they didn't

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have hypocrisy, they'd have nothing at all.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, I mean, And so how it's just going to
play out? Do you think with with ultimately with MAGA,
I mean, they're not gonna get They're not going to
release this stuff. They may release grand jury maybe.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
But the grand jury stuff isn't pertinent to this, to
this information. And here's the thing the I was talking
to let me say this properly. A former Justice Department
of the things shoal today who said, the thing they
have to that Congress has to ask for are all
the three O two's, the interview reports of FBI agents

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and FBI source information analysis under these three O two reports,
And like every time they talk to somebody they had
three zero two. The president has total power to release
any three oh two right now. They don't generally if
it's pending criminal investigations or what have you, but the
president has complete latitude to release those right now. They

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could do it in a hot second. But they're going
to try to play this professional wrestling bullshit. I think
for a while with oh, we're gonna release the grand
jury test up, Trump's not in the grand jury testimony.
Game over, move along.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I means to.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Fall for that. I mean, everybody knows there's something in that.
I mean, you know, that'll be it'll be where's the list,
where's the And we know there's thousands and thousands and
thousands of pages of documents and.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I mean how many you know, terabytes of a video data?
You know, video and photos.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know they have they have video, photos, emails, everything.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I mean, you know, think about if you are inside
the White House in this kind of moment, Normally there
would be something like, Okay, we need to get back
to our message that was working. Well, what the fuck
message was working? I mean they're they're underwater on immigration.
I mean, you know, they take their strength and they've
turned it into huge negative now because they overplayed their hands.

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So what what what is the Republican message when they
come out of this? It elected on immigration, ending the
war in Ukraine in one day? Yeah, all of the
what is it that is the positive here?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
And I mean do they do they need a positive though, Joe?
Or is it just is are I feel like the
anger not? And I thought the anger is not enough anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I Look, I think the problem here is that this
has always been about the energy, particularly when Trump is
on the ballot. Yeah, those folks coming out, you know,
out of the woodwork, and I think I'm not I'm
not looking at hey, they're all going to turn on
him or they're gonna you know, split away. But but

(20:30):
I do really think that the error is coming out
of the balloon in terms of their energy, particularly in
the mid term, to show particularly when Congress is running
out you know, Johnson, you know, is running and cleaning
the building, clean the building. I just think in the end,
what makes them come out to you know, what makes

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them vote, And a lot of them I'm not talking about,
but enough of them that this really does put the
GOP in a in a mind and Trump in trouble,
I think, and weaken too.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I think that's right. But Stuart, your question is
like what do they do after? I'm starting to wonder
if they if they're sensing there might not be as
much of an after now that if they're feeling like
you know this, I mean Trump, that Trump doesn't go
out in like a cloud of victory but in this

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like chaotic flailing bullshit he's doing right now.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
But do you think Vance and I mean that that
there's a you know, that he moves in. I mean
that there's a as Trump gets more failing, and that
that that that Vance actually is maneuvering too to bump
him off a little, I mean, to bump into the sidelines.
I mean, do you see that as a possibility.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Look, when I started what I wrote this, I wrote
this short fiction piece last night called Sundown in Montana
because I was thinking, like, what would the conversation in
the room be like with Vance? And Rupert even if
Vance went and said, you know, yeah right, and Peter Tiele,
and that is.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
A weird group who we.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Have that it is. It is bouncing off the walls, freaky,
I mean, but but I mean, here's the thing. J
D might not have the scope of vision, but imagine
he sits down in a room with Rupert Murdoch and
and Peter Teele and Elon Musk and they say, we'll
make it so the media environment is right for you

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to twenty fifth Amendment. This guy, all you have to
do is give us what we want. That to me,
it's that's like not a conspiracy theory, that's like a
meeting agenda.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, you know, we don't talk enough about Peter Tiele.
He is such a weird guy. And I would encourage
everybody to go and read this really stunning short biography
of Peter Tiles and it really gets to the essence
of it. You know, he's such a litigious guy people
avoid writing about him. But I forget the guy who

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wrote this, but it was really an act of courage
to do this. Yeah, you know, he elected JD. Vance
to the Senate out of that. I mean, I you know,
I worked for the guy that Vance ran, Rob Portman
ran to replace, and nobody thought that jd Vance had
a chance in that primary. And then Teal came in
and dumped north of ten million. I think it's fifteen

(23:24):
sixteen million, right, fifteen yeah, last minute in the primary,
and then he barely wins. He underperformed the sitting governor
on the same ticket by four hundred thousand votes, which
is really difficult to do. But he's vice president of
the United States. So Teal bet on two people, Blake Masters,
who's you know, still last seen in a desert playing

(23:45):
with guns and shooting videos and jd Vance. You got
to say, I mean, that's not bad man, because there's
not terrible odds that jd Vance one day will be president.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I mean more, it's pretty high odds actually, And so.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Deal a guy who is very open that he doesn't
think that democracy works anymore. It's just amazing.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Well, I think I think the opportunity jd Vance is
going to have is coming up, not not a year
from now, but I think a few months from now.
If Trump's decline continues, if the physical decline continues, if

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the mental decline, which is displaying every day now by
being all over the place continues, and if the party
is starts to sense that twenty twenty that twenty twenty
six is going to get ugly and get difficult. You know,

(24:57):
I think Vance starts to have a capacity to be
out in there and again to be able to say
to all these people, I will bring Elon and Heal
and Zuckerberg and all the other tech money you wanted
all along and all the power of their tech tech
systems to help elect us all and I can deliver
all this and we just have to do this quickly

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and quietly, and there will be MAGA will lose their
minds for a while. Then Trump will go golfing and
that'll be that, and then they'll Teal one.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I mean, that's what he's been talking about for forever,
about a technocracy where they where the guys take you know,
everybody else's puppets, but they're their puppets, and they're they're
running the show. And so you know, when when Rupert
Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal are being sued by
Donald Trump and then Vance shows up with Teal and Elon,

(25:52):
don't know, I don't think it was like this. There
is the sad things over is like, Uh, you've got
to be pretty naive to think that.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
You've got immigrant Peter Ti immigrant and they're trying, you know,
Jennie Vance a sort of self created character, the Appalachian
hillbilly who was on the golf team in suburban Ohio.
I mean, the sort of it's just so great, and

(26:23):
you know, you got to hand it to him, this
preposterousness of what they Tea wanted because our money is
everything in American power now, and.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
And and the degree to which the money that Silicon
Valley spent last time. You add Elon's three hundred million
dollars with probably another billion with Ellison and Zuckerberg all
these other guys, it comes into real money, folks. I
just want to say something. I want to I want

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to read to everybody on the watching the show tonight.
President Obama's response to this stuff, because it is fucking golden.
Out of respect for the office of the Presidency, our
office does not normally dignified the constant nonsense and misinformation
flowing out of this White House with a response. But
these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre

(27:22):
allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction. Nothing
in the document issued last week under cuts the widely
accepted conclusions that Russia worked to influence the twenty sixteen
presidential election, but did not successfully manipulate any votes. These
findings were affirmed in a twenty twenty report by the
bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, led by then Chairman Mark Rubio.

(27:43):
Y'all for Barack Obama. That is the equivalent of screaming
fuck you with double middle fingers Johnny cashing in the
middle of the screen.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, I mean, look, you know I worked against Obama,
I worked for Romney. But the night Romney laws to
Obama warre you know, we were tired, disappointed, but we
didn't go to better fight for the country.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, and different.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Things would happen, But it was a successful presidency, and
it was a presidency that was in an American tradition
of rule of law. And that's really what I mean.
The thing that really gets me is this idea of
how they're normalizing all this stuff. You know, they kind
of test awards, was arrests and politicians test awards. We're

(28:32):
going to have mask men out there pulling people out
of their cars. Now we're going to have a larger
force than the military except for two countries. It is
a very sobering thought.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
It is. It is, And I you know, I was
watching Tom Homan on MSNBC this morning, which kind of
a blew my mind that Tom Homan was on AMAZONBC.
But he was repeating this big sweet being lie. Oh No,
all of our people have name tags, identification, they wear
their badges, and the masks are only to prevent the

(29:07):
terrorist left wingers from attacking them and dosing their families.
And and he's like, no one could know one if
you show up and you have a DEA patch on
your uniform or a ICE patch or DHS patch, people
know who they're. So I went on Amazon this morning,
and you can buy patches and hats and uniforms and

(29:29):
outfits and body armor and every other goddamn thing for
any federal government agency you choose. But but I mean,
it just that struck me as one of these classic
examples of this, like they're they're one at a times
to it. They're they're building a country that looks like
what they want and not what Americans, And you know, it.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Is so insulting to law enforcement that actually goes out
and puts their life on the line.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Absolutely, So.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
DEA agents don't routinely mask themselves. No FBI agents, my dad.
You know, they don't routinely mask themselves when they're out
there getting serial killers and active shooters. Right, and you gardeners,
you have to really worry about masking yourself. Yeah, I
mean mask is because they don't want people to track

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who these people are, who their backgrounds are. They're worried.
Each of these people worry that they may be legally
liable for what they're doing, because they will.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
It is, it is so coming, and that that day
will be here.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Is our friend Dan Barkoff, you know, former Navy seal tweeted,
if you cover your face, you're a bitch.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And that's the guy who's in the Battle of Fallujah.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, Dan Barkoff, folks, is a is on the
tough motherfucker scale somewhere on a scale of one to ten,
somewhere like a ninety seven. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
And you know, I look at these guys for what
it's worth, and I think a lot of them are
on steroids, you see.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, Oh dude, for sure.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Like roid rage road incidents more than any kind of calm, organized,
trained law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
There there there is a yeah, there is a definite
sort of like uh, you know, a definite sort of
like jacked up, roided up vibe to a lot of
these guys, like they.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Swept through closing time at goals gym, all all the
creeps they could you know, right.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Was like a three day training course and throw them in. Yeah, right,
I got a couple of guys and then throw them
into the It's.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Really look, nobody is Nobody's first pickup jobs is to
be an isation. It's a shitty job. You have to
leave home, you have to go live in these shitty hotels.
You have to do stuff that you know is kind
of stupid, like descending, you know, on a home depot
like it was some narco cartel bust.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
You were doing.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
And the pay's not great, and you know you're sitting
in that hotel room at night, you're calling your wife
or your girlfriend. You know, they're not really proud of
what you're doing. And these are people who can't get
other jobs, a lot of them. Average top in California
makes one hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year. Yep,
And you saw now they're in this desperate move to

(32:27):
get these people. They're really it's a lot like Russia's
trying to get their troops to go down there, go
out there, offering these forty nine thousand dollars cash bonus
if you sign up to be an ICE station. Right this, Well,
you know how they're getting the meat as salts in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And a lot yeah, and a lot of these folks
that are also on the streets. Supposedly, ICE is also
hiring private security contractors to do this, and some of
those are just like bounty hunters and weirdos and randos
who walk in a give me a list, I'll go
find some I'll go find some Mexicans to deport. Yeah,

(33:06):
but you know, look, those numbers on immigration are starting
to turn very very sour for Trump. Well last week
we mentioned this, Andrew and I mentioned this on our
Friday polling show last week on behind the numbers, that
the numbers had gone south. They've dropped even further. Now
Trump's strongest single policy point, he's now about fifteen points

(33:27):
upside down in it. And that is that's remarkable. It
hasn't percolated through our politics yet on this. But I
got to tell you smart Republican posters are going to
be starting to look at this going, well, maybe we
could ease this back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, and you know he was among those who didn't
vote for him. He was underwater and immigration. Yeah, so
what's happening now is he's losing base support. And you
look at this Trump coalition where he got three percent
of Hispanics. I mean, can anybody imagine that happening again?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, well no, but you said this literally I remember
on one of the first one of these we did
where you said, look that that part of the coalition
is going to be a problem from the get go,
because as he starts to pour all these people, he's
going to start losing support with with Latino's, Hispanics, and
and if he pulls back and he's going to have

(34:29):
trouble with Mega and instead. So that's why the alligator
Alcatraz is more like just whatever red meat he can,
he can you know, flash out to his base. But
every time he does one of those, he puts him
into more trouble with seeing common sense people realize like.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
That that that's like the cruelty of it, the the
you know, just the the pure Steven Miller Miller Hatred.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You know, stuff is just oozing out of this place
in a way that's pushing other people away.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
You know, suburban families look at that and think like, well,
this is what I want my kids to idolize.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Right, I mean, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna buy their kids
junior ice agent outfits for Halloween. You know, Well, gentlemen,
as always a good conversation. We're gonna wrap this up
for today, folks. We will be back again with more
Fstein news next week. And and uh so, check out
Joe Trippy showed that Trippy show on the Lincoln Square Network.

(35:40):
Check out all of our writing on Lincoln Square. Check
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Speaker 3 (35:50):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
And since for some goddamn reason, I'm writing fiction the
last two days, I'll just posted an article, another short
fiction piece.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
That is a very George George or wild trend. It's
sort of an instinct that the world is so crazy
you can then I.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Have to fictionalize it. But the next piece, the new piece,
is called how Julane Maxwell Dies?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I I I really commend you for that. Man, that
is that is fantastic and I want to read dark as.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Ship man.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Dark Dark Dark.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
All right, folks, we will see you again.

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project podcast. And we got to just give credit to
all the folks at Lincoln Square last weekend. Uh. It
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
And that's that's a high bar.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, it really is. I mean sort of a little
engine that could here. Okay, well done.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yep, yep, good work all the way around. And and
and great work folks on my podcasting. My podcasting production
folks have been slaying it, especially given my insane travel
schedule the last couple of weeks and uh, and my
insane travel schedule to come so well, Stewart, I'll see
you this weekend up in New York. I think after

(37:19):
next week, no next week, you know, I've got to
Virginia this weekend to work and then then I see
you in New York two weeks from now. And Joe,
we'll see you whenever they release you from the holding
cell at GITMO after they've waterboarded you to find out
where you're going to blow up now.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
We'll see you guys in a couple of weeks.

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Talk to